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93844 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 4:38pm
Subject: RE: Re: I agree with Mike...
>> I'll agree with that, although he might be the 'entire circle' :)
Hey, I've put on some weight, but I'm not THAT big-n-round! :D
Mike Chatfield
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93845 From: Ray B. <KB7SKV@C...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 4:46pm
Subject: Re: GET THE F** OUT!!
AMEN!!
Ray
AZAV8ER
Rob Williams wrote:
>Right now for all to read... I've been in this group for about 4
>years now, we have not had any problems like this since it was
>started. If you dont like the way we do **** around here get the F
>out and start your own group! If you dont like what Mike did LEAVE!
>If you think we are a boys only group, you havent been to a club
>run, BBQ or Land Use meeting because you will see plenty of Females
>there. We dont want your drama here, we just want to WHEEL!!! -Rob
>
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93846 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 4:55pm
Subject: OT Banned Members.
Sorry all, I wanted to send a mail to the group so that the parties involved
could not claim that I was “doing something behind the club’s back.”
After reconsideration and continued attacks, which I have not posted here, I
have banned all three individuals involved in the psychodrama.
Back to your regular schedule of Jeeps, Lifts, Trail Damage and NORMAL
Off-Topic Chit Chat…
Mike Chatfield
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93847 From: <Hydrosense@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 0:01pm
Subject: (no subject)
JUST SAY NO TO THE DRAMA......
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93848 From: Brandon Reid <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 5:18pm
Subject: Brent Philipp ....
shoot me a email bro
frog
93849 From: msand1977 <msand1977@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 5:54pm
Subject: AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
Does anybody know if there is a difference between Rock it city,
K&N, and Airaid intakes? Also do you have to mount Co2 tanks upright
or can lay them down to mount?
Thanks
Matt
93850 From: djjohnstone85296 <djohnstone@d...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 5:58pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Lake Pleasant to Crown King - Sunday, November 9, 2003
My understanding is that the Switchback bar durned down, but the CK
saloon is still up and running.
93851 From: Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 6:14pm
Subject: Re: AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
Doesn't matter which way you mount CO2 tanks. You can even mount them
upside down, *however* they must be upright when in use.
Fred
msand1977 wrote:
>Does anybody know if there is a difference between Rock it city,
>K&N, and Airaid intakes? Also do you have to mount Co2 tanks upright
>or can lay them down to mount?
>
>
>Thanks
>Matt
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
93852 From: blainethepain69 <bbraastad@u...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 6:13pm
Subject: 1.0 to 3.0 trails close to Phoenix
Hello Jeepers, I tried this before but I don't think it went
through.
Can anyone give my good directions from either 7th street and bell,
or some other fairly easily found land mark, to some 1.0 to 3.0
trails near Phoenix? I have tried to find Martinez Cabin, found an
artillery range instead, nothing marked as Cottonwood canyon, as well
as the back way to crown king and by fallowing the instructions to
lake pleasant after the paved road ends take a right. Is that a right
onto the hill? I saw two trails but both seemed to end once over the
top of said hill. PLEASE HELP ME TO JEEP!!!! Thank you.
93853 From: thebigbadbaldman <thebigbadbaldman@h...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 6:53pm
Subject: steering and trac bar
do multiple angles matter in a draglink. most after market "T"
assemblies i've seen have a wheel to wheel tie rod and the a direct
drag link rod from the pitman arm to the drag link on the tie rod.
But the one that was done custom for me has six different angles in
it. I believe they were trying to match angle on the "Z" trac bar
they built for me. Just curious if it really matters how many bends
are in it as long as it is strong (because that is they're argument)
or ( as i've been told in other shops ) it should be a straight shot
to the drag link or else it puts too much pressure on your gear box.
For myself i kind of likend it to bench press pushing straight from
the body is easier than trying to push from out past your shoulder.
If anyone has thoughts or needs pictures.. whatever let me know.. I'm
thinking of confronting the place that built it but need more
supportive insight.
thanks..
Baldman
93854 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:07pm
Subject: RE: FW: AZVJC Web Site
Your description of their parts fiasco is not much different than most
parts departments I have dealt with. How about $9 for a control arm nut
and bolt? To me, that is as stupid as $18 for the spring retainers.
$35 for the parts on a ZJ disc brake backing plate.....the same thing
bought after market is about $15 (for both sides). Some things, in my
opinion, are worth getting at the dealer because rebuilds from AutoZone
or Checker just don't cut it.
As for the coil spring retainers....they are greatly over rated. For a
number of years, DC only used one retainer (left it off the other side).
If you look at how the spring reacts to compression and expansion, you
see that it won't work on that side (you would need a coil spring wound
in the opposite direction).
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: James Rogers [mailto:skijunkie@c...]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:06 AM
To: azvjc; Stu Olson
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: AZVJC Web Site
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:56 AM
> To: 'James Rogers'; 'azvjc'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> Probably true James (I've never been there so I can't
> comment).....however, parts are parts. Aside from giving you the
wrong
> part, it is difficult to screw that up. LOL
How about this... when I got my sway bar disconnects, I needed spring
retainers. When I went there and asked them about it, they didn't know
what
I was talking about. After about a half hour of the parts guy asking
other
people in parts and service, they finally figured it out. They were
then
able to find the part number and order it for me, for the low low price
of
$18.
93855 From: jeff misischia <g4mannn@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:10pm
Subject: Re: GET THE F** OUT!!
WELL SAID , ROB!
--- Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...> wrote:
> Right now for all to read... I've been in this group
> for about 4
> years now, we have not had any problems like this
> since it was
> started. If you dont like the way we do **** around
> here get the F
> out and start your own group! If you dont like what
> Mike did LEAVE!
> If you think we are a boys only group, you havent
> been to a club
> run, BBQ or Land Use meeting because you will see
> plenty of Females
> there. We dont want your drama here, we just want to
> WHEEL!!! -Rob
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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93856 From: Philip <kathphil@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:12pm
Subject: Problems installing a lift...
Hi all...I put this email on the wrong list the first time...
I am in the process of installing a 2-1/2" Rubicon lift to my 83 CJ7
jeep. I am having a problem with the sway bar not being long enough,
in actual length from one side of the vehicle to the other, to be
able to connect both quick disconnects. Basically I can connect one
side, but the oposite side is about 1" off center. Anyone ever have
this problem, or know where I might be able to get more information?
Also, I have a Rancho 5000 steering stabilizer (one shock), and the
instructions show the application for the 83 CJ, but on the picture
the arm of the shock, where the boot goes is different then any other
application picture shown. It show the arm with the boot connecting
to the axle and the tube connecting to the steering arm. Anyone have
any thoughts as to which direction this should go?
Thank you in advance for the help...
Philip
93857 From: Joe <flexyxj98@m...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:13pm
Subject: Re: steering and trac bar
Baldman, Multiple angles in a draglink, If severe enugh will cause
problems. On a less severe case, it will cause the steering linkage
to rotate, if you will, causing certain locknuts to loosen, or tie
rod ends to reach their "max" mis-alignment. Another problem is when
you cycle the "multiple bend draglink" In its range of motion,
depending on the bends and twists in the link, it will cause the
steering wheel to move (ocillate if you will) differently than the
axle. (bumpsteer) Chances are at that point you will also be changing
toe settings, either in or out and it most likely would cause a death
wobble. So if I was to build a steering set up, NO I would not have
multiple angles/bends out of the radius of the axle movement.
FlexyXJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "thebigbadbaldman"
<thebigbadbaldman@h...> wrote:
> do multiple angles matter in a draglink. most after market "T"
> assemblies i've seen have a wheel to wheel tie rod and the a direct
> drag link rod from the pitman arm to the drag link on the tie rod.
> But the one that was done custom for me has six different angles in
> it. I believe they were trying to match angle on the "Z" trac bar
> they built for me. Just curious if it really matters how many
bends
> are in it as long as it is strong (because that is they're
argument)
> or ( as i've been told in other shops ) it should be a straight
shot
> to the drag link or else it puts too much pressure on your gear
box.
> For myself i kind of likend it to bench press pushing straight from
> the body is easier than trying to push from out past your
shoulder.
> If anyone has thoughts or needs pictures.. whatever let me know..
I'm
> thinking of confronting the place that built it but need more
> supportive insight.
> thanks..
> Baldman
93858 From: Jim Russell <desertjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:18pm
Subject: I was singing
Laughing but singing, do I get a special hat or something.
Jim
Message: 17
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 04:06:01 -0700
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
Subject: We at the inner circle are singing right now... please sing along with us...
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya
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93859 From: <azvjcmember@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 2:47pm
Subject: Re: I agree with Mike...
And I must say, If one could create a flux capacitor for an I-6 that runs on
trash, the world would become a better place, needless to say travel through
time to see what trails were used for mining back in the old days. Thank you!
Anthony C
BTW, this was an attempt to change the subject. thank you, LOL!
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93860 From: Mike & Karen Acuna <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:50pm
Subject: Re: AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
I believe the biggest difference is their price!
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "msand1977" <msand1977@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:54 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
> Does anybody know if there is a difference between Rock it city,
> K&N, and Airaid intakes? Also do you have to mount Co2 tanks upright
> or can lay them down to mount?
>
>
> Thanks
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
93861 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 8:03pm
Subject: RE: AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
Fred.....I was wondering about the safety valve. If the tank were
mounted in such a fashion as to have liquid covering the valve, do you
think that would cause an issue with it being able to rupture properly
at the design pressure....or.....if that did not matter, what might be
the consequences of spraying something (a person?) with liquid....or
would it all change to gas so quickly that it would not be an issue?
Just wondering as I have thought about this as well.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:15 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
Doesn't matter which way you mount CO2 tanks. You can even mount them
upside down, *however* they must be upright when in use.
Fred
msand1977 wrote:
>Does anybody know if there is a difference between Rock it city,
>K&N, and Airaid intakes? Also do you have to mount Co2 tanks upright
>or can lay them down to mount?
>
>
>Thanks
>Matt
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
>
>
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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93862 From: Scott K <scottk@b...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 8:05pm
Subject: Re: Away for a bit and see what happens!
Hi Joey,
Yeah, I've been away for a few months now and things seem to have
really degraded lately. Historically this has happened many times in
the past and if everybody just waits it out things will get back
to "normal" again.
It snowed a few inches here in Montana the other day and tonight its
coming down hard. We've gotten about an inch in the last hour. Give
it another 9 hours and I might have to use 4WD just to get to work
in the morning!!! Yeehaw :D
Take it easy,
Scott Kruize
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> Wow! leave the list for two days and BAM!! things get really
heated.
>
> All I have to say is keep it Jeep related!
>
> You got something to say to someone say it to them. Please don't
fill my
> inbox with drama, name calling, or just plain old stupid stuff.
Not only
> does this stuff make the group look bad it proliferates and drives
> people off (as you can see).
>
> Last thing... this ain't the first time and I don't 'spek it to be
the
> last un either.
>
>
> Joey K
>
> 93YJ
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93863 From: Bill Hooven <whooven@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 8:37pm
Subject: Re: AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
There is a lot of controversy with this subject. Some swear by the brand
name and others say they can build their own intake for almost nothing using
PVC pipe and some hose clamps. I honestly don't know the difference but I
will tell you this: My Jeep was one of three used to develop the YJ version
of K&N FIPK kit and over an almost two year period I saw them test at least
4 prototypes. The dyno showed differences of up to 5 rear wheel horsepower
between the prototypes. K&N R&D finally selected the version I have on my
Jeep now, which is a curved design (picture:
http://www.jeepsonly.com/project1/graphics/fipk/fipk_installed_1.jpg). They
said the straight acrossed the engine version didn't yield a significant
enough improvement on the YJ and oddly enough (to me anyway) the curved
design was the best version. I'm sure the homemade PVC pipe systems add
power, probably mostly due to the large round K&N air filter most people put
on the end of them.
Bill Hooven
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----- Original Message -----
From: "msand1977" <msand1977@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:54 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
> Does anybody know if there is a difference between Rock it city,
> K&N, and Airaid intakes? Also do you have to mount Co2 tanks upright
> or can lay them down to mount?
>
>
> Thanks
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
93864 From: Bill LaBrie <mrbuttz@h...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 8:35pm
Subject: Re: Re: [TR] Lake Pleasant to Crown King - Sunday, November 9, 2003
I can confirm that as of three weeks ago, that is the case.
>From: "djjohnstone85296" <djohnstone@d...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] Lake Pleasant to Crown King - Sunday, November
>9, 2003
>Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:58:13 -0000
>
>My understanding is that the Switchback bar durned down, but the CK
>saloon is still up and running.
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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93865 From: Jeff Trujillo <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 8:40pm
Subject: Re: 1.0 to 3.0 trails close to Phoenix
It would be a lot easier if you were to sign up on some of the trail
runs on azvjc.org that way you dont get lost on the trails. You dont
want John (Hunter Offroad) looking for you on his time off :o) J/K
That way you can meet some nice folks and get to know the area with
an experienced jeeper that knows the trails. Or you can post a run
yourself and ask someone to lead it for you. Theres usaully a good
turnout on most runs. Good luck Jeff CamoXJ--- In
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "blainethepain69" <bbraastad@u...> wrote:
> Hello Jeepers, I tried this before but I don't think it went
> through.
> Can anyone give my good directions from either 7th street and bell,
> or some other fairly easily found land mark, to some 1.0 to 3.0
> trails near Phoenix? I have tried to find Martinez Cabin, found an
> artillery range instead, nothing marked as Cottonwood canyon, as
well
> as the back way to crown king and by fallowing the instructions to
> lake pleasant after the paved road ends take a right. Is that a
right
> onto the hill? I saw two trails but both seemed to end once over
the
> top of said hill. PLEASE HELP ME TO JEEP!!!! Thank you.
93866 From: chrisboettge <cheesit@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 8:51pm
Subject: couple of TJ problems
1) does anybody know of where I can get a all metal radiator for a
Jeep Tj 4cyl??? I don't know if there is much of a difference
between a 2 row and a 3 row...
2) I noticed my front swaybar has shifted to one side, the upper
bolt is grazing the frame on the drivers side while the passenger
side has ample room. I have pushed the swaybar but it seems that it
slowly slides to that position. I have a 3.5 lift in the front with
a rubicon express trackbar.
Any ideas???
thanks in advance
Chris
93867 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 9:03pm
Subject: Re: couple of TJ problems
1) www.radiators.com - Free delivery in 24 hrs. 2 and 3 core all metal.
2) Your axle is likely off center as a result of the lift. A lift will shift
the front axle to the drivers side. Do you have an adjustable track bar??
----- Original Message -----
From: "chrisboettge" <cheesit@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] couple of TJ problems
> 1) does anybody know of where I can get a all metal radiator for a
> Jeep Tj 4cyl??? I don't know if there is much of a difference
> between a 2 row and a 3 row...
>
>
> 2) I noticed my front swaybar has shifted to one side, the upper
> bolt is grazing the frame on the drivers side while the passenger
> side has ample room. I have pushed the swaybar but it seems that it
> slowly slides to that position. I have a 3.5 lift in the front with
> a rubicon express trackbar.
>
>
> Any ideas???
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
93868 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 0:02am
Subject: Re: OT Banned Members.
Mike Chatfield wrote:
>Sorry all, I wanted to send a mail to the group so that the parties involved
>could not claim that I was “doing something behind the club’s back.”
>
>After reconsideration and continued attacks, which I have not posted here, I
>have banned all three individuals involved in the psychodrama.
>
>Back to your regular schedule of Jeeps, Lifts, Trail Damage and NORMAL
>Off-Topic Chit Chat…
>
As long as we get to talk about good-lookin' single wimmen every once in
a while, I am fine with that. ;-)
Tony
>
>Mike Chatfield
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93844 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 4:38pm
Subject: RE: Re: I agree with Mike...
>> I'll agree with that, although he might be the 'entire circle' :)
Hey, I've put on some weight, but I'm not THAT big-n-round! :D
Mike Chatfield
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93845 From: Ray B. <KB7SKV@C...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 4:46pm
Subject: Re: GET THE F** OUT!!
AMEN!!
Ray
AZAV8ER
Rob Williams wrote:
>Right now for all to read... I've been in this group for about 4
>years now, we have not had any problems like this since it was
>started. If you dont like the way we do **** around here get the F
>out and start your own group! If you dont like what Mike did LEAVE!
>If you think we are a boys only group, you havent been to a club
>run, BBQ or Land Use meeting because you will see plenty of Females
>there. We dont want your drama here, we just want to WHEEL!!! -Rob
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
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93846 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 4:55pm
Subject: OT Banned Members.
Sorry all, I wanted to send a mail to the group so that the parties involved
could not claim that I was “doing something behind the club’s back.”
After reconsideration and continued attacks, which I have not posted here, I
have banned all three individuals involved in the psychodrama.
Back to your regular schedule of Jeeps, Lifts, Trail Damage and NORMAL
Off-Topic Chit Chat…
Mike Chatfield
Caution: May contain opinions. Point away from brain, especially while
reading
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93847 From: <Hydrosense@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 0:01pm
Subject: (no subject)
JUST SAY NO TO THE DRAMA......
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93848 From: Brandon Reid <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 5:18pm
Subject: Brent Philipp ....
shoot me a email bro
frog
93849 From: msand1977 <msand1977@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 5:54pm
Subject: AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
Does anybody know if there is a difference between Rock it city,
K&N, and Airaid intakes? Also do you have to mount Co2 tanks upright
or can lay them down to mount?
Thanks
Matt
93850 From: djjohnstone85296 <djohnstone@d...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 5:58pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Lake Pleasant to Crown King - Sunday, November 9, 2003
My understanding is that the Switchback bar durned down, but the CK
saloon is still up and running.
93851 From: Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 6:14pm
Subject: Re: AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
Doesn't matter which way you mount CO2 tanks. You can even mount them
upside down, *however* they must be upright when in use.
Fred
msand1977 wrote:
>Does anybody know if there is a difference between Rock it city,
>K&N, and Airaid intakes? Also do you have to mount Co2 tanks upright
>or can lay them down to mount?
>
>
>Thanks
>Matt
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
93852 From: blainethepain69 <bbraastad@u...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 6:13pm
Subject: 1.0 to 3.0 trails close to Phoenix
Hello Jeepers, I tried this before but I don't think it went
through.
Can anyone give my good directions from either 7th street and bell,
or some other fairly easily found land mark, to some 1.0 to 3.0
trails near Phoenix? I have tried to find Martinez Cabin, found an
artillery range instead, nothing marked as Cottonwood canyon, as well
as the back way to crown king and by fallowing the instructions to
lake pleasant after the paved road ends take a right. Is that a right
onto the hill? I saw two trails but both seemed to end once over the
top of said hill. PLEASE HELP ME TO JEEP!!!! Thank you.
93853 From: thebigbadbaldman <thebigbadbaldman@h...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 6:53pm
Subject: steering and trac bar
do multiple angles matter in a draglink. most after market "T"
assemblies i've seen have a wheel to wheel tie rod and the a direct
drag link rod from the pitman arm to the drag link on the tie rod.
But the one that was done custom for me has six different angles in
it. I believe they were trying to match angle on the "Z" trac bar
they built for me. Just curious if it really matters how many bends
are in it as long as it is strong (because that is they're argument)
or ( as i've been told in other shops ) it should be a straight shot
to the drag link or else it puts too much pressure on your gear box.
For myself i kind of likend it to bench press pushing straight from
the body is easier than trying to push from out past your shoulder.
If anyone has thoughts or needs pictures.. whatever let me know.. I'm
thinking of confronting the place that built it but need more
supportive insight.
thanks..
Baldman
93854 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:07pm
Subject: RE: FW: AZVJC Web Site
Your description of their parts fiasco is not much different than most
parts departments I have dealt with. How about $9 for a control arm nut
and bolt? To me, that is as stupid as $18 for the spring retainers.
$35 for the parts on a ZJ disc brake backing plate.....the same thing
bought after market is about $15 (for both sides). Some things, in my
opinion, are worth getting at the dealer because rebuilds from AutoZone
or Checker just don't cut it.
As for the coil spring retainers....they are greatly over rated. For a
number of years, DC only used one retainer (left it off the other side).
If you look at how the spring reacts to compression and expansion, you
see that it won't work on that side (you would need a coil spring wound
in the opposite direction).
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: James Rogers [mailto:skijunkie@c...]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:06 AM
To: azvjc; Stu Olson
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: AZVJC Web Site
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:56 AM
> To: 'James Rogers'; 'azvjc'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> Probably true James (I've never been there so I can't
> comment).....however, parts are parts. Aside from giving you the
wrong
> part, it is difficult to screw that up. LOL
How about this... when I got my sway bar disconnects, I needed spring
retainers. When I went there and asked them about it, they didn't know
what
I was talking about. After about a half hour of the parts guy asking
other
people in parts and service, they finally figured it out. They were
then
able to find the part number and order it for me, for the low low price
of
$18.
93855 From: jeff misischia <g4mannn@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:10pm
Subject: Re: GET THE F** OUT!!
WELL SAID , ROB!
--- Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...> wrote:
> Right now for all to read... I've been in this group
> for about 4
> years now, we have not had any problems like this
> since it was
> started. If you dont like the way we do **** around
> here get the F
> out and start your own group! If you dont like what
> Mike did LEAVE!
> If you think we are a boys only group, you havent
> been to a club
> run, BBQ or Land Use meeting because you will see
> plenty of Females
> there. We dont want your drama here, we just want to
> WHEEL!!! -Rob
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93856 From: Philip <kathphil@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:12pm
Subject: Problems installing a lift...
Hi all...I put this email on the wrong list the first time...
I am in the process of installing a 2-1/2" Rubicon lift to my 83 CJ7
jeep. I am having a problem with the sway bar not being long enough,
in actual length from one side of the vehicle to the other, to be
able to connect both quick disconnects. Basically I can connect one
side, but the oposite side is about 1" off center. Anyone ever have
this problem, or know where I might be able to get more information?
Also, I have a Rancho 5000 steering stabilizer (one shock), and the
instructions show the application for the 83 CJ, but on the picture
the arm of the shock, where the boot goes is different then any other
application picture shown. It show the arm with the boot connecting
to the axle and the tube connecting to the steering arm. Anyone have
any thoughts as to which direction this should go?
Thank you in advance for the help...
Philip
93857 From: Joe <flexyxj98@m...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:13pm
Subject: Re: steering and trac bar
Baldman, Multiple angles in a draglink, If severe enugh will cause
problems. On a less severe case, it will cause the steering linkage
to rotate, if you will, causing certain locknuts to loosen, or tie
rod ends to reach their "max" mis-alignment. Another problem is when
you cycle the "multiple bend draglink" In its range of motion,
depending on the bends and twists in the link, it will cause the
steering wheel to move (ocillate if you will) differently than the
axle. (bumpsteer) Chances are at that point you will also be changing
toe settings, either in or out and it most likely would cause a death
wobble. So if I was to build a steering set up, NO I would not have
multiple angles/bends out of the radius of the axle movement.
FlexyXJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "thebigbadbaldman"
<thebigbadbaldman@h...> wrote:
> do multiple angles matter in a draglink. most after market "T"
> assemblies i've seen have a wheel to wheel tie rod and the a direct
> drag link rod from the pitman arm to the drag link on the tie rod.
> But the one that was done custom for me has six different angles in
> it. I believe they were trying to match angle on the "Z" trac bar
> they built for me. Just curious if it really matters how many
bends
> are in it as long as it is strong (because that is they're
argument)
> or ( as i've been told in other shops ) it should be a straight
shot
> to the drag link or else it puts too much pressure on your gear
box.
> For myself i kind of likend it to bench press pushing straight from
> the body is easier than trying to push from out past your
shoulder.
> If anyone has thoughts or needs pictures.. whatever let me know..
I'm
> thinking of confronting the place that built it but need more
> supportive insight.
> thanks..
> Baldman
93858 From: Jim Russell <desertjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:18pm
Subject: I was singing
Laughing but singing, do I get a special hat or something.
Jim
Message: 17
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 04:06:01 -0700
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
Subject: We at the inner circle are singing right now... please sing along with us...
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya
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93859 From: <azvjcmember@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 2:47pm
Subject: Re: I agree with Mike...
And I must say, If one could create a flux capacitor for an I-6 that runs on
trash, the world would become a better place, needless to say travel through
time to see what trails were used for mining back in the old days. Thank you!
Anthony C
BTW, this was an attempt to change the subject. thank you, LOL!
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93860 From: Mike & Karen Acuna <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:50pm
Subject: Re: AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
I believe the biggest difference is their price!
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "msand1977" <msand1977@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:54 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
> Does anybody know if there is a difference between Rock it city,
> K&N, and Airaid intakes? Also do you have to mount Co2 tanks upright
> or can lay them down to mount?
>
>
> Thanks
> Matt
>
>
>
>
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>
93861 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 8:03pm
Subject: RE: AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
Fred.....I was wondering about the safety valve. If the tank were
mounted in such a fashion as to have liquid covering the valve, do you
think that would cause an issue with it being able to rupture properly
at the design pressure....or.....if that did not matter, what might be
the consequences of spraying something (a person?) with liquid....or
would it all change to gas so quickly that it would not be an issue?
Just wondering as I have thought about this as well.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:15 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
Doesn't matter which way you mount CO2 tanks. You can even mount them
upside down, *however* they must be upright when in use.
Fred
msand1977 wrote:
>Does anybody know if there is a difference between Rock it city,
>K&N, and Airaid intakes? Also do you have to mount Co2 tanks upright
>or can lay them down to mount?
>
>
>Thanks
>Matt
>
>
>
>
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93862 From: Scott K <scottk@b...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 8:05pm
Subject: Re: Away for a bit and see what happens!
Hi Joey,
Yeah, I've been away for a few months now and things seem to have
really degraded lately. Historically this has happened many times in
the past and if everybody just waits it out things will get back
to "normal" again.
It snowed a few inches here in Montana the other day and tonight its
coming down hard. We've gotten about an inch in the last hour. Give
it another 9 hours and I might have to use 4WD just to get to work
in the morning!!! Yeehaw :D
Take it easy,
Scott Kruize
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> Wow! leave the list for two days and BAM!! things get really
heated.
>
> All I have to say is keep it Jeep related!
>
> You got something to say to someone say it to them. Please don't
fill my
> inbox with drama, name calling, or just plain old stupid stuff.
Not only
> does this stuff make the group look bad it proliferates and drives
> people off (as you can see).
>
> Last thing... this ain't the first time and I don't 'spek it to be
the
> last un either.
>
>
> Joey K
>
> 93YJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
93863 From: Bill Hooven <whooven@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 8:37pm
Subject: Re: AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
There is a lot of controversy with this subject. Some swear by the brand
name and others say they can build their own intake for almost nothing using
PVC pipe and some hose clamps. I honestly don't know the difference but I
will tell you this: My Jeep was one of three used to develop the YJ version
of K&N FIPK kit and over an almost two year period I saw them test at least
4 prototypes. The dyno showed differences of up to 5 rear wheel horsepower
between the prototypes. K&N R&D finally selected the version I have on my
Jeep now, which is a curved design (picture:
http://www.jeepsonly.com/project1/graphics/fipk/fipk_installed_1.jpg). They
said the straight acrossed the engine version didn't yield a significant
enough improvement on the YJ and oddly enough (to me anyway) the curved
design was the best version. I'm sure the homemade PVC pipe systems add
power, probably mostly due to the large round K&N air filter most people put
on the end of them.
Bill Hooven
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----- Original Message -----
From: "msand1977" <msand1977@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:54 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] AIR INTAKE AND ONBOARD AIR QUESTION
> Does anybody know if there is a difference between Rock it city,
> K&N, and Airaid intakes? Also do you have to mount Co2 tanks upright
> or can lay them down to mount?
>
>
> Thanks
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
93864 From: Bill LaBrie <mrbuttz@h...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 8:35pm
Subject: Re: Re: [TR] Lake Pleasant to Crown King - Sunday, November 9, 2003
I can confirm that as of three weeks ago, that is the case.
>From: "djjohnstone85296" <djohnstone@d...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] Lake Pleasant to Crown King - Sunday, November
>9, 2003
>Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:58:13 -0000
>
>My understanding is that the Switchback bar durned down, but the CK
>saloon is still up and running.
>
>
>
>
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93865 From: Jeff Trujillo <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 8:40pm
Subject: Re: 1.0 to 3.0 trails close to Phoenix
It would be a lot easier if you were to sign up on some of the trail
runs on azvjc.org that way you dont get lost on the trails. You dont
want John (Hunter Offroad) looking for you on his time off :o) J/K
That way you can meet some nice folks and get to know the area with
an experienced jeeper that knows the trails. Or you can post a run
yourself and ask someone to lead it for you. Theres usaully a good
turnout on most runs. Good luck Jeff CamoXJ--- In
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "blainethepain69" <bbraastad@u...> wrote:
> Hello Jeepers, I tried this before but I don't think it went
> through.
> Can anyone give my good directions from either 7th street and bell,
> or some other fairly easily found land mark, to some 1.0 to 3.0
> trails near Phoenix? I have tried to find Martinez Cabin, found an
> artillery range instead, nothing marked as Cottonwood canyon, as
well
> as the back way to crown king and by fallowing the instructions to
> lake pleasant after the paved road ends take a right. Is that a
right
> onto the hill? I saw two trails but both seemed to end once over
the
> top of said hill. PLEASE HELP ME TO JEEP!!!! Thank you.
93866 From: chrisboettge <cheesit@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 8:51pm
Subject: couple of TJ problems
1) does anybody know of where I can get a all metal radiator for a
Jeep Tj 4cyl??? I don't know if there is much of a difference
between a 2 row and a 3 row...
2) I noticed my front swaybar has shifted to one side, the upper
bolt is grazing the frame on the drivers side while the passenger
side has ample room. I have pushed the swaybar but it seems that it
slowly slides to that position. I have a 3.5 lift in the front with
a rubicon express trackbar.
Any ideas???
thanks in advance
Chris
93867 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 9:03pm
Subject: Re: couple of TJ problems
1) www.radiators.com - Free delivery in 24 hrs. 2 and 3 core all metal.
2) Your axle is likely off center as a result of the lift. A lift will shift
the front axle to the drivers side. Do you have an adjustable track bar??
----- Original Message -----
From: "chrisboettge" <cheesit@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] couple of TJ problems
> 1) does anybody know of where I can get a all metal radiator for a
> Jeep Tj 4cyl??? I don't know if there is much of a difference
> between a 2 row and a 3 row...
>
>
> 2) I noticed my front swaybar has shifted to one side, the upper
> bolt is grazing the frame on the drivers side while the passenger
> side has ample room. I have pushed the swaybar but it seems that it
> slowly slides to that position. I have a 3.5 lift in the front with
> a rubicon express trackbar.
>
>
> Any ideas???
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
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93868 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 0:02am
Subject: Re: OT Banned Members.
Mike Chatfield wrote:
>Sorry all, I wanted to send a mail to the group so that the parties involved
>could not claim that I was “doing something behind the club’s back.”
>
>After reconsideration and continued attacks, which I have not posted here, I
>have banned all three individuals involved in the psychodrama.
>
>Back to your regular schedule of Jeeps, Lifts, Trail Damage and NORMAL
>Off-Topic Chit Chat…
>
As long as we get to talk about good-lookin' single wimmen every once in
a while, I am fine with that. ;-)
Tony
>
>Mike Chatfield
>Caution: May contain opinions. Point away from brain, especially while
>reading
>
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