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89577 From: Joe West <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:27pm
Subject: RE: First aid training
Hi Tom,
I'm a certified CPR/First Aid Instructor (have to be as part of the
SCUBA Instructor thing). I'd be happy to teach a class to the group if
people want to learn. I can setup a class and then donate everything
above my cost to the Sharky fund.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:27 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] First aid training
The events of this weekend got me to thinking about first aid and
trauma,
so I made a few calls. An individual can get first aid and CPR
certified
in 5-6 hours at a cost of $35.00. The $$ generated is donated to fire
fighters charities. I have the contact info and would be willing to
organize a group effort if there is enough interest. It was also
mentioned that a few club members should consider taking EMT training at
a local community college. I'll be looking into that also.
Tom LaFrance
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89578 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:28pm
Subject: RE: First aid training
Count us in.......... THANKS Joe. Sandee and Jack
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:27 PM
> To: 'tom lafrance'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] First aid training
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I'm a certified CPR/First Aid Instructor (have to be as part of the
> SCUBA Instructor thing). I'd be happy to teach a class to the group if
> people want to learn. I can setup a class and then donate everything
> above my cost to the Sharky fund.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:27 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] First aid training
>
> The events of this weekend got me to thinking about first aid and
> trauma,
> so I made a few calls. An individual can get first aid and CPR
> certified
> in 5-6 hours at a cost of $35.00. The $$ generated is donated to fire
> fighters charities. I have the contact info and would be willing to
> organize a group effort if there is enough interest. It was also
> mentioned that a few club members should consider taking EMT training at
> a local community college. I'll be looking into that also.
>
> Tom LaFrance
>
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89579 From: Scott Fessenden <doktongue@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:30pm
Subject: To all in the club RE: Sharky
I was supposed to be in the jeep with Sharky when the accident happened and had Stacey in a panic when she got the call about Sharky. She told me she was worried and asking if they found me at the accident site! Not to mention the house next door to Sharky's caught on fire so Stacey and the kids were up all night. I know when Sharky comes through he will laugh about that since it was the neighbor whose car he parked the Mcwrangler on top of! I happened to have left earlier with Reno, but Stacey didn't hear me when I picked up my car at Sharky's house. I talked to her late last night and in the conversation she mentioned that someone dropped off a dozen playstation games which I was happy to hear about. I think it would be a good idea to maybe get some things together for Dalton and Cassie to keep them busy while they are at home. It'll help keep them busy and be one less thing for Stacey to worry about. Stacey's trying to keep them from the hospital until Sharky's in better shape to
keep from worrying them too much. If somebody can't make it to that side of town, I live in Mesa and would be more than happy to be a central collection point to get the stuff over to them. Sara's home all day so if someone wants to drop anything off, there's someone home any time. The meals and everything are a great idea -- just keep in mind that Sharky's parents are there too. If anybody has any questions or suggestions, drop me an email and we can make whatever arrangements we need to.
Thanks!
Scott F. & Sara
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89580 From: Bill Hooven <whooven@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:39pm
Subject: Re: First aid training
Depending on the date, count me in for that too and maybe my wife also.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: "'tom lafrance'" <tlafrance@j...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] First aid training
> Hi Tom,
>
> I'm a certified CPR/First Aid Instructor (have to be as part of the
> SCUBA Instructor thing). I'd be happy to teach a class to the group if
> people want to learn. I can setup a class and then donate everything
> above my cost to the Sharky fund.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:27 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] First aid training
>
> The events of this weekend got me to thinking about first aid and
> trauma,
> so I made a few calls. An individual can get first aid and CPR
> certified
> in 5-6 hours at a cost of $35.00. The $$ generated is donated to fire
> fighters charities. I have the contact info and would be willing to
> organize a group effort if there is enough interest. It was also
> mentioned that a few club members should consider taking EMT training at
> a local community college. I'll be looking into that also.
>
> Tom LaFrance
>
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89581 From: Kevin & Kelly <kkhop@j...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:32pm
Subject: Re: Car wash update
Lets get this posted asap so people can sign up. I will be
there....
Kelly
2003TJ\
(480) 218-8213 Home
(480) 242-5719 Cell
Let me know what to bring...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Katrina and Jeff" <katnjeff4@h...>
wrote:
> I will try to find a good place to hold the wash in the east valley
> if some one wants to do a wash in the west that would be good too!!!
> Is Sun. a good day or would Sat. work better? Does John still have
> the banner?
> If anyone has any input you can call me at work till 5pm at
> 480-769-2814 or at home 480-369-2786
> Thanks Katrina
89582 From: Joe West <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:52pm
Subject: Update on Sharky's Jeep
Hi Gang,
We just got back from picking up Sharky's Jeep. a couple of things I
noticed right away:
1. The rollbar did it's job. Sharky's rig is incredibly good shape.
2. Ummmm. Sharky probably owes his life to Mike (RocRat) for
building such a sturdy cage.
3. The external cage protected Sharky's hood perfectly. hardly any
damage to the front of the Jeep.
4. Plenty of front axle type damage. it appears the rig may have
landed front tires first then rolled to the side.
5. I noticed some torn welds in places in the undercarriage, some
loose bolts in various places, and it looks like the body/frame may be
tweaked.
There are without a doubt some lessons for all of us to learn here.
whether it be how important it is to pad your rollbar, or the importance
of wearing at least a three point harness when moving faster than a rock
crawl or. well you get the idea.
I'd like to make one point here. and that is; let's learn our lessons
after Sharky is recovered and out of the woods. if we all focus our
energy on Sharky getting better; it will be the best for everyone.
After we are sure he is okay. we can change our rigs. discuss what
happened, and do our best to make sure that nothing like this happens to
any other members. The worst thing that could happen is if we walk away
from this without having learned something. but let's save the difficult
discussions for later.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
PS. I took lots of pictures, but would like to wait for authorization
from Mrs. Sharky before I post them.
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89583 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:00pm
Subject: Re: Update on Sharky's Jeep
Thanks for the update Joe and for taking care of Sharky's bad boy. I'm sure he will be very greatful. I agree that the lessons can be learned at a later date. Let's all keep our prayers going for Sharky and his family.
~Wade
Joe West <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
Hi Gang,
We just got back from picking up Sharky's Jeep. a couple of things I
noticed right away:
1. The rollbar did it's job. Sharky's rig is incredibly good shape.
2. Ummmm. Sharky probably owes his life to Mike (RocRat) for
building such a sturdy cage.
3. The external cage protected Sharky's hood perfectly. hardly any
damage to the front of the Jeep.
4. Plenty of front axle type damage. it appears the rig may have
landed front tires first then rolled to the side.
5. I noticed some torn welds in places in the undercarriage, some
loose bolts in various places, and it looks like the body/frame may be
tweaked.
There are without a doubt some lessons for all of us to learn here.
whether it be how important it is to pad your rollbar, or the importance
of wearing at least a three point harness when moving faster than a rock
crawl or. well you get the idea.
I'd like to make one point here. and that is; let's learn our lessons
after Sharky is recovered and out of the woods. if we all focus our
energy on Sharky getting better; it will be the best for everyone.
After we are sure he is okay. we can change our rigs. discuss what
happened, and do our best to make sure that nothing like this happens to
any other members. The worst thing that could happen is if we walk away
from this without having learned something. but let's save the difficult
discussions for later.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
PS. I took lots of pictures, but would like to wait for authorization
from Mrs. Sharky before I post them.
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89584 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:32pm
Subject: Re: labor day sharky run?
In skirts, boots and brooms in hand?
Bill Hooven wrote:
>
>How about we all pose for a "We Miss You Sharky - Get Well Soon" picture,
>too?
>
>
>
>
>
89585 From: Dave Rubinstein <skydivebum@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:01pm
Subject: Re: Seats needed
--- James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> I need some seats for my project, not stock.
> Anyone have any good ideas?
>
> TIA
>
> --James
>
>
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Hi James,
When I rebuilt my Jeep I went all the way and got
Recaro seats and I've never regreted the expence. I
can ride farther in my Jeep then in my Honda. I did
have a little more money then than I do now, but I
would recomend getting the best seat you can afford.
One with holes for sholder belts, like mine, helps
too.
Wile_E
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89586 From: Kit Carson <kcarson@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:23pm
Subject: Re: Car wash update
I don't know if Scottsdale is east enough for everyone, but I'm sure
I can acquire some city owned property for a large event (if needed
due to high publicity). The parking lots at Scottsdale Stadium for
instance.
Kit - City of Scottsdale
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Katrina and Jeff" <katnjeff4@h...>
wrote:
> I will try to find a good place to hold the wash in the east valley
> if some one wants to do a wash in the west that would be good too!!!
> Is Sun. a good day or would Sat. work better? Does John still have
> the banner?
> If anyone has any input you can call me at work till 5pm at
> 480-769-2814 or at home 480-369-2786
> Thanks Katrina
89587 From: Kit Carson <kcarson@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:31pm
Subject: Re: Sharky's Accident
My friend, Kevin and I went on ahead to the Prescott area for
camping, and then came back down on Sunday the way we went up.
Between Prescott and CK, we came across a jeeper with no doors, open
everything wearing a helmet. I thought he looked silly...Not any more.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Also, don't forget overhead protection,between all the bars..
> Look at any of the comp. vehicles.. The area over the drivers (and
> passengers) head needs to be covered with a least a very, very,
very heavy
> wire mesh, if not a solid sheet of 6061 or 7075 or a sheet of steel.
> The reason is, that during a roll, you don't want a rock protruding
between
> the overhead bars, wacking you in the head.
>
>
> Best,
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> To: "Motoman Lives!" <bronco@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
> <Joe-CJ7@J...>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> > Speaking of headroom and padding... I'm not going back out until
I get
> some
> > padding on my rollcage... nothing like someone elses accident to
show you
> > the design flaws in your own vehicle.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:15 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Joe-CJ7@J...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and
survived with
> very
> > little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad
the hell
> out
> > of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
> >
> > Greg Banfield
> > aka Motoman
> > www.emotoman.com
> > Greg@e...
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Joe-CJ7@J...
> > Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
> > To: Motoman Lives!
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that.
Thanks for
> > the information.
> >
> > In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have
helped or
> > not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want to
make sure
> > I get the proper on.
> >
> > Joe Kearney
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> >
> > This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was
with Sharky
> > up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM
to get out
> > of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He
turned
> > around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot
with a group
> > of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the
group
> kept
> > saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM
we
> > decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown
King. We
> > got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of
the road to
> > make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash
and
> stared
> > at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still
laughing
> hard
> > SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were
hurting. Anyone
> > that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy. I
had been
> > running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
> > point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the
pavement.
> > We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the
left, which
> > sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire
went
> slightly
> > into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road
was right
> > there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole
vaulted
> > the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have
ever seen.
> > I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first
impact. As I
> > came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me
and on it's
> > side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No
response.
> > He was
> > hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his
head and
> he
> > was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not
conscious.
> > Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help.
We knew
> > we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to
stop the
> > bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage
and hold
> > Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the
seat
> belt.
> > We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my
first aid
> > kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I
was able
> > to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
> > sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of
his head.
> > Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and
talked
> to
> > him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took
him. I was
> > able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff
was there
> in
> > 20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30
minutes, and
> > they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting
chopper in 45
> > minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-
17. We
> > were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed with
> Sharky's
> > Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
> > Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We
did not
> > know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not
release the
> > vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's
without the
> owner
> > being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the
impound
> > yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about
Sharky's
> > condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his
> > family. I am
> > available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for
them!
> > Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and
stuff from
> > them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the
side of his
> > head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When
designing
> > your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone
however the
> > vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-566-
9935
> > 602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka
Motoman
> > www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
> >
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89588 From: ROOK-(Tim) <twalkalot@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:33pm
Subject: RE: First aid training
Joe,
You can include me too. Is there a age limit? I have a 7 yo girl I would like to expose CPR and 1st aid to, is she to young? or am I thinking the right thing and starting her off right.
Joe West <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
Hi Tom,
I'm a certified CPR/First Aid Instructor (have to be as part of the
SCUBA Instructor thing). I'd be happy to teach a class to the group if
people want to learn. I can setup a class and then donate everything
above my cost to the Sharky fund.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:27 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] First aid training
The events of this weekend got me to thinking about first aid and
trauma,
so I made a few calls. An individual can get first aid and CPR
certified
in 5-6 hours at a cost of $35.00. The $$ generated is donated to fire
fighters charities. I have the contact info and would be willing to
organize a group effort if there is enough interest. It was also
mentioned that a few club members should consider taking EMT training at
a local community college. I'll be looking into that also.
Tom LaFrance
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89589 From: Kevin & Kelly <kkhop@j...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:34pm
Subject: Re: First aid training
Count Us in.
Kevin & Kelly
-- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I'm a certified CPR/First Aid Instructor (have to be as part of the
> SCUBA Instructor thing). I'd be happy to teach a class to the
group if
> people want to learn. I can setup a class and then donate
everything
> above my cost to the Sharky fund.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:27 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] First aid training
>
> The events of this weekend got me to thinking about first aid and
> trauma,
> so I made a few calls. An individual can get first aid and CPR
> certified
> in 5-6 hours at a cost of $35.00. The $$ generated is donated to
fire
> fighters charities. I have the contact info and would be willing to
> organize a group effort if there is enough interest. It was also
> mentioned that a few club members should consider taking EMT
training at
> a local community college. I'll be looking into that also.
>
> Tom LaFrance
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> -
> -------------------------------
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than
> the ones who turn up on time?
>
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89590 From: steven.campbell <steven.campbell@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:41pm
Subject: Re: Update on Sharky's Jeep
Thanks for the update Joe. You hit the nail on the head when you said "The
worst thing that could happen is if we walk away from this without having
learned something."
Steven
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:52 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Update on Sharky's Jeep
> Hi Gang,
>
> We just got back from picking up Sharky's Jeep. a couple of things I
> noticed right away:
>
> 1. The rollbar did it's job. Sharky's rig is incredibly good shape.
> 2. Ummmm. Sharky probably owes his life to Mike (RocRat) for
> building such a sturdy cage.
> 3. The external cage protected Sharky's hood perfectly. hardly any
> damage to the front of the Jeep.
> 4. Plenty of front axle type damage. it appears the rig may have
> landed front tires first then rolled to the side.
> 5. I noticed some torn welds in places in the undercarriage, some
> loose bolts in various places, and it looks like the body/frame may be
> tweaked.
>
> There are without a doubt some lessons for all of us to learn here.
> whether it be how important it is to pad your rollbar, or the importance
> of wearing at least a three point harness when moving faster than a rock
> crawl or. well you get the idea.
>
> I'd like to make one point here. and that is; let's learn our lessons
> after Sharky is recovered and out of the woods. if we all focus our
> energy on Sharky getting better; it will be the best for everyone.
> After we are sure he is okay. we can change our rigs. discuss what
> happened, and do our best to make sure that nothing like this happens to
> any other members. The worst thing that could happen is if we walk away
> from this without having learned something. but let's save the difficult
> discussions for later.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> PS. I took lots of pictures, but would like to wait for authorization
> from Mrs. Sharky before I post them.
>
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89591 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@c...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:10am
Subject: Re: Re: Gasoline
Craig,
Not that it matters but that is a fallacy, you do not have to start a
propane powered vehicle on gas, I start mine all of the time hot or cold on
propane. How many forklifts have you seen that have to be started on gas
first? The dealers told people some bad info back when all of this stuff
went down. The point is I am not sitting in line to get gas that someone
else could use. I have (2) 30 gallon propane tanks in the bed of my truck
and the propane fuel is less than diesel most places. I paid 1.45 last time
I filled up. I run propane almost exclusively with no problems. Just wanted
to set the record straight. PS I would rather have a Power Stroke like yours
but that will have to wait awhile.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZ Dust Devils,AZVJC
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, United Four Wheel Drive Clubs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Micek" <micekc@e...>
To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>;
"James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Gasoline
> Many probably don't know that most of the propane vehicles have to be
> started with gasoline and then switched over to propane.
>
> I am glad I have my diesel!
>
> Craig
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Gasoline
>
>
> > Stu, if you asked there are probably others who don't know, no problem.
> >
> > "Alternative Fuel Vehicle" it had a sticker that said, "Propane".
> > Remember the "Alt Fuel" fiasco Jane Hull created for us? This is the
> reason
> > my tuition went from $1200/semester to $1800/semester.
> >
> > and these vehicles are struggling for gas....
> >
> > --James
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:51 AM
> > To: 'jetowle2000'
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Gasoline
> >
> >
> > I am probably going to feel pretty stupid....but what does AFV stand
> > for?
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jetowle2000 [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:13 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Gasoline
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > How is this for funny.... I sat at the Costco for :30 minutes
> > waiting for it to open for gas. They just opened the pump and a
> > Blazer pulls up and gets into line. I look at the license plate and
> > it is blue & white, that's right folks, AFV. I filled up and watched
> > these people sit there in line a while longer.
> > Does this vehicle help explain why this state is so screwed up?
> > (Our tax dollars hard at work)
> >
> > --James
> >
> > PS - Costco on Country Club and Baseline got 2 truck load of gas
> > while I was sitting there and the price was $1.74/gallon.
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Theresa and I had a very funny experience today. We were coming
> > home
> > > from visiting with Joe and Joyce W when we decided to fill up our
> > > crew cab pickup. We cruised past many stations with lines more
> > than
> > > a 1/4 mile long! Since there is no shortage of diesel and all the
> > > stations have it we decided to keep driving until we found a
> > station
> > > with diesel that was out of all the various grades of unleaded.
> > The
> > > place was as deserted as a ghost town. I pull up to the green
> > diesel
> > > pump and start pumping my $1.59 diesel into the truck. Before you
> > > know it there is a swarm of cars cruising the station and circling
> > > the pumps like vultures. After they realize I'm pumping diesel
> > some
> > > of them would squeal out of the lot in frustration. One lady just
> > > looked at me dumb until I told her that I was pumping diesel.
> > > Theresa and I couldn't stop laughing at the situation. It was like
> > a
> > > swarm of locusts decended upon us, LOL. Anyway, I feel for all of
> > > you that are running unleaded this week. Hopefully it gets better
> > in
> > > the near future.
> > >
> > > :D
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Brad" <a292@a...> wrote:
> > > > Does anyone know if there is a gas shortage in Camp Verde? I
> > > > plan to go up on the rim tomorrow via Camp Verde and would
> > > > like to make sure I'll be able to get gas to get back home.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Brad
> >
> >
> >
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89592 From: Kit Carson <kcarson@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:05pm
Subject: Re: labor day sharky run?
I'm in!
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
wrote:
>
> Stuff like this is wicked hard on the family. I was thinking of
what my wife
> would have to go through if anything like this happened. One or two
months
> of me out of work could put us in serious trouble. People are
donating to
> the sharkyfund which is cool. Someone mentioned a car wash which is
cool. I
> was thinking of hosting a benefit run at the whitetanks on labor
day. What
> do you guys think? Appetizer, tax collector, firebird and ruler are
all
> within a mile from each other so there could be runs for all
levels. Have
> people make a donation to run. Maybe have a BBQ afterward, I have
lots of
> room at my house and a couple of spare acres for parking and stuff.
I am
> about 5 miles away from the trail head. Maybe get some of the
vendors to
> donate some stuff and have a raffle?
> Dave Kings got a couple of ramps Im sure we could borrow to have an
rti
> contest, etc...
>
> Let me know what you think and if you would be willing to help with
this
> (trail leaders, BBQ cooks, RTI scoring, etc). I think a couple of
weeks is
> enough time to get it set up. If theres enough interest, I will
get
> started.
>
> keep our fingers crossed and maybe sharky can judge the bikini
contest....:)
>
>
> Alot of people already have plans for labor day so maybe its not
such a good
> idea?
>
>
> Frank
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89593 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:16pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003
Hello All,
Jim Florence lead a trail run Saturday, August 16, 2003 across Crown King from Lake Pleasant
Trip report early bird run to Crown King.<br>
<br>
This report is a little late but as everyone is aware a lot has been going on.<br>
I showed up at 5:10 to find 3 Jeeps already there. With the help of Rick Norman, Russ G and Flexy we had set up to divide the group into two runs as we had 30 plus Jeeps signed up. Randy Davis and I planned to leave around 5:30 with as many that were ready to go as possible. Well I was surprised to find at 5:30 we had about 20 Jeeps aired down and ready to go. Rick, Russ and Flexy took the rest at 6:00, turned out they had about 20 Jeeps with them also. <br>
The plan worked out well for the most part even though they did catch up to us at points. We had no trouble other then a hole in a radiator hose that was quickly repaired. I had a great time as I hope everyone else also enjoyed the run. Everyone did very well on all the obstacles. I do not even remember anyone pulling out a strap. For this large of group we made good time up the hill.<br>
I think the town enjoyed all the people we brought up and the entertainmentJ our group provided. I know the switchback was crowded all day and the owner seemed very happy to see us. He made sure to get pictures of all the Jeeps lined up on the rocks in front of his bar to put up inside.<br>
As with everyone else it was a shock to get home and start reading about Sharky’s accident. As with everyone else my prayers go out to him and his family. <br>
I also find it amazing how this club will pull together in times of trouble. Thanks to all that joined the Early Bird run. <br>
Jim Florence aka Hackle<br>
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=956
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
89594 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:48pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003
Hello All,
Kent Warner lead a trail run Saturday, August 16, 2003 across Crown King from Lake Pleasant
Well, feel a little wierd doing a trip report with everything going on but.....<br>
<br>
We rolled out a little late, about 8:15, with 12 Jeeps. Was a great morning, and I did my obligatory "missing a right turn" (seems to be a habit I am getting into on runs that I lead), but Bill, our tail gunner, got us back on track (thnx Bill). Had an XJ break a motor mount and had to turn back, and the lone CJ had a little trouble with its electric fan (but not until the rain started, of course) which got fixed and then the rest was pretty smooth. Overall I was pretty impressed, the trail was great and we had a good crew.<br>
<br>
Sharkys group caught us on "the ledge", but they had a ZJ with them and someone was driving a red Dodge pickup, or some damn thing (BTW, Hunter, thnx for welding on the LCA skids on such short notice), so we pulled away from them after that. Rolling into CK was pretty impressive.<br>
<br>
Mucho nice Jeeps.<br>
<br>
Hope Sharky comes through his OK, he can lead us into CK next year.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=959
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
89595 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:55pm
Subject: Sharky Update
Hi all,
Brandon Reid, Jason La Libertiy and I stopped to visit Sharky today, and we were able to see him for a couple of minutes. Sharky is looking very good, under the cricumstances, but is still unconcious. He is moving around and fighting his restraints in true Sharky fashion. He has a bandage on the right side of his head and there is a little swelling, but not too bad. For the most part, he looks like he is simply sleeping and dreaming really hard.
Sharky's wife Stacy and the kids are doing well and hanging in there. Stacy was able to catch a couple hours sleep last night, and is pretty much on auto pilot and running on Mountain Dew. Sharky's parents are in town, and were just leaving to get dinner when we arrived.
Mike, Flexy, Rick Norman were also there, so it was kind of like a club meeting. I know there are many others that want to visit, but the nurses will not be letting anyone else in to see Sharky for awhile, so he can rest. However, all are welcome to stop by and say hi and give support to the family.
Keep the prayers coming.
Brad
89596 From: Josh Reynolds <jrstang67@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:30pm
Subject: First Aid and CPR
Hello all, if anyone is intrested in response to toms e-mail i would
be glad to teach and first aid or cpr classes anyone would be willing
to take. I have been teaching the same classes for 7 years and am
also a certified EMT. We could make it a BBQ with the class
incorperated. No charge. If anyone's intrested let me know we can set
somthing up. Its always to be prepared. Josh Reynolds MULEXJ 623-703-
7727
89597 From: Kevin & Kelly <kkhop@j...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:38pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Trip Report - Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003
If you didn't get to see the pictures for this run here is the
link http://community.webshots.com/user/kkhop . If any one else
has pictures please let me know I would like to see them. I would
also like to thank the trail lead Hackle and everyone who help me
out it was a great time.
It is great to here that Sharky was allowed a few visitors
today that is a very possitive sign.
Kelly &
Daughter
Kristina
2003TJ
Trip report early bird run to Crown King.<br>
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> Hello All,
> Jim Florence lead a trail run Saturday, August 16, 2003 across
Crown King from Lake Pleasant
>
> Trip report early bird run to Crown King.<br>
> <br>
> This report is a little late but as everyone is aware a lot
has been going on.<br>
> I showed up at 5:10 to find 3 Jeeps already there. With the help of
Rick Norman, Russ G and Flexy we had set up to divide the group into
two runs as we had 30 plus Jeeps signed up. Randy Davis and I planned
to leave around 5:30 with as many that were ready to go as possible.
Well I was surprised to find at 5:30 we had about 20 Jeeps aired down
and ready to go. Rick, Russ and Flexy took the rest at 6:00, turned
out they had about 20 Jeeps with them also. <br>
> The plan worked out well for the most part even though they
did catch up to us at points. We had no trouble other then a hole in
a radiator hose that was quickly repaired. I had a great time as I
hope everyone else also enjoyed the run. Everyone did very well on
all the obstacles. I do not even remember anyone pulling out a strap.
For this large of group we made good time up the hill.<br>
> I think the town enjoyed all the people we brought up and the
entertainmentJ our group provided. I know the switchback was crowded
all day and the owner seemed very happy to see us. He made sure to
get pictures of all the Jeeps lined up on the rocks in front of his
bar to put up inside.<br>
> As with everyone else it was a shock to get home and start
reading about Sharky's accident. As with everyone else my prayers go
out to him and his family. <br>
> I also find it amazing how this club will pull together in
times of trouble. Thanks to all that joined the Early Bird run. <br>
> Jim Florence aka Hackle<br>
>
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=956
> Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
>
> - The AzVJC Website
89598 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:52pm
Subject: OT More used Tires
4 33-1250-15 Pro comp X terrain not much trad remaing
4 31-1050-15 Pathfinders approx 50 % remaining
4 305-70-16 MTR's new take off
4 32-1150-15 no name ( not sure what they are )
3 37 1250-15 Mtr's new take off
4-35-1250-18 Bfg Muds
believe it or not I have more sets to get rid of even some wheels
Call me 602-942-9603
once again sorry for the OT post I need to move some used tires
THANKS RICK BEER
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89599 From: jaylalib <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:59pm
Subject: (FS) Added my rear bumper and rockers for sale to site
Look on the classified section for details...
Jason LaLiberty
89600 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:08pm
Subject: RE: Re: Sharky's Accident
I completely agree with this statement Chris! I feel that this subject
is to be left alone until we can all sit down and have a beer over it!
No sense in pointing fingers. We deal with the task at hand and pray
that if the latter was the case, then this person will learn from a
mistake!
From what I have heard and what I know of Sharky, this was not the case.
Sharky knows what can happen when you mix vehicles and alchohol! We all
know it!
In my honest opinion, "Eric" parajeeper02@y... keep it shut until
the time is right. Right now is not the time!!! Now is the time to bond
together and help a fellow Jeeper who needs our help! I will help out
all that I can!
My wife and I are willing to go the extra mile, why don't you go the
extra mile and forget the questions that you feel might be the cause of
this.
If you were in an accident, I sure as hell wouldn't be asking what I
could do to pinpoint where YOU went wrong, I would be asking what I
could do to help you in your time of need and then maybe ask you on the
side?
PISS off and lets just all do what we can to help Mrs. Sharky and the
mini Sharky's!
BTW-if you have a problem with this feel free to call me anytime, my
cell num is on www.azvjc.org !
Mrs. Sharky (AKA Stacy - I have told Chris and Janel Radoccia to give me
a call if there is anything I can do to help you guys out. We can baby
sit and I can cook a killer meal!) Your friends and Family are here for
you... Let us help if you will please! We are more that willing to
assist!
All our love to you, Sharky, and your wonderful kids!
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:39 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sharky's Accident
I don't think at this time this is appropriate question. From what
we have heard there were at least 3 roll overs that happened as a
result of this trip, unfortunetly one happened to be severe. I
think for now the family needs our support and prayers more than out
questions.
Chris
"AzA"----------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...> wrote:
> I am sorry to hear about Sharky's misfortune. I wish him the best
and
> a speedy recovery.
>
> Not to be a buzzkill but seeing noone has asked I will...... I am
> curious as to if alchohol was a factor as it was at 3am.
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89601 From: robert_j_rogers <robert.rogers@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:11pm
Subject: Re: First Aid and CPR
I think we need to set up a class date...Roy...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Josh Reynolds" <jrstang67@a...> wrote:
> Hello all, if anyone is intrested in response to toms e-mail i
would
> be glad to teach and first aid or cpr classes anyone would be
willing
> to take. I have been teaching the same classes for 7 years and am
> also a certified EMT. We could make it a BBQ with the class
> incorperated. No charge. If anyone's intrested let me know we can
set
> somthing up. Its always to be prepared. Josh Reynolds MULEXJ 623-
703-
> 7727
89577 From: Joe West <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:27pm
Subject: RE: First aid training
Hi Tom,
I'm a certified CPR/First Aid Instructor (have to be as part of the
SCUBA Instructor thing). I'd be happy to teach a class to the group if
people want to learn. I can setup a class and then donate everything
above my cost to the Sharky fund.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:27 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] First aid training
The events of this weekend got me to thinking about first aid and
trauma,
so I made a few calls. An individual can get first aid and CPR
certified
in 5-6 hours at a cost of $35.00. The $$ generated is donated to fire
fighters charities. I have the contact info and would be willing to
organize a group effort if there is enough interest. It was also
mentioned that a few club members should consider taking EMT training at
a local community college. I'll be looking into that also.
Tom LaFrance
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89578 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:28pm
Subject: RE: First aid training
Count us in.......... THANKS Joe. Sandee and Jack
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:27 PM
> To: 'tom lafrance'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] First aid training
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I'm a certified CPR/First Aid Instructor (have to be as part of the
> SCUBA Instructor thing). I'd be happy to teach a class to the group if
> people want to learn. I can setup a class and then donate everything
> above my cost to the Sharky fund.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:27 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] First aid training
>
> The events of this weekend got me to thinking about first aid and
> trauma,
> so I made a few calls. An individual can get first aid and CPR
> certified
> in 5-6 hours at a cost of $35.00. The $$ generated is donated to fire
> fighters charities. I have the contact info and would be willing to
> organize a group effort if there is enough interest. It was also
> mentioned that a few club members should consider taking EMT training at
> a local community college. I'll be looking into that also.
>
> Tom LaFrance
>
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> the ones who turn up on time?
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89579 From: Scott Fessenden <doktongue@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:30pm
Subject: To all in the club RE: Sharky
I was supposed to be in the jeep with Sharky when the accident happened and had Stacey in a panic when she got the call about Sharky. She told me she was worried and asking if they found me at the accident site! Not to mention the house next door to Sharky's caught on fire so Stacey and the kids were up all night. I know when Sharky comes through he will laugh about that since it was the neighbor whose car he parked the Mcwrangler on top of! I happened to have left earlier with Reno, but Stacey didn't hear me when I picked up my car at Sharky's house. I talked to her late last night and in the conversation she mentioned that someone dropped off a dozen playstation games which I was happy to hear about. I think it would be a good idea to maybe get some things together for Dalton and Cassie to keep them busy while they are at home. It'll help keep them busy and be one less thing for Stacey to worry about. Stacey's trying to keep them from the hospital until Sharky's in better shape to
keep from worrying them too much. If somebody can't make it to that side of town, I live in Mesa and would be more than happy to be a central collection point to get the stuff over to them. Sara's home all day so if someone wants to drop anything off, there's someone home any time. The meals and everything are a great idea -- just keep in mind that Sharky's parents are there too. If anybody has any questions or suggestions, drop me an email and we can make whatever arrangements we need to.
Thanks!
Scott F. & Sara
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89580 From: Bill Hooven <whooven@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:39pm
Subject: Re: First aid training
Depending on the date, count me in for that too and maybe my wife also.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: "'tom lafrance'" <tlafrance@j...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] First aid training
> Hi Tom,
>
> I'm a certified CPR/First Aid Instructor (have to be as part of the
> SCUBA Instructor thing). I'd be happy to teach a class to the group if
> people want to learn. I can setup a class and then donate everything
> above my cost to the Sharky fund.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:27 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] First aid training
>
> The events of this weekend got me to thinking about first aid and
> trauma,
> so I made a few calls. An individual can get first aid and CPR
> certified
> in 5-6 hours at a cost of $35.00. The $$ generated is donated to fire
> fighters charities. I have the contact info and would be willing to
> organize a group effort if there is enough interest. It was also
> mentioned that a few club members should consider taking EMT training at
> a local community college. I'll be looking into that also.
>
> Tom LaFrance
>
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> the ones who turn up on time?
>
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89581 From: Kevin & Kelly <kkhop@j...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:32pm
Subject: Re: Car wash update
Lets get this posted asap so people can sign up. I will be
there....
Kelly
2003TJ\
(480) 218-8213 Home
(480) 242-5719 Cell
Let me know what to bring...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Katrina and Jeff" <katnjeff4@h...>
wrote:
> I will try to find a good place to hold the wash in the east valley
> if some one wants to do a wash in the west that would be good too!!!
> Is Sun. a good day or would Sat. work better? Does John still have
> the banner?
> If anyone has any input you can call me at work till 5pm at
> 480-769-2814 or at home 480-369-2786
> Thanks Katrina
89582 From: Joe West <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:52pm
Subject: Update on Sharky's Jeep
Hi Gang,
We just got back from picking up Sharky's Jeep. a couple of things I
noticed right away:
1. The rollbar did it's job. Sharky's rig is incredibly good shape.
2. Ummmm. Sharky probably owes his life to Mike (RocRat) for
building such a sturdy cage.
3. The external cage protected Sharky's hood perfectly. hardly any
damage to the front of the Jeep.
4. Plenty of front axle type damage. it appears the rig may have
landed front tires first then rolled to the side.
5. I noticed some torn welds in places in the undercarriage, some
loose bolts in various places, and it looks like the body/frame may be
tweaked.
There are without a doubt some lessons for all of us to learn here.
whether it be how important it is to pad your rollbar, or the importance
of wearing at least a three point harness when moving faster than a rock
crawl or. well you get the idea.
I'd like to make one point here. and that is; let's learn our lessons
after Sharky is recovered and out of the woods. if we all focus our
energy on Sharky getting better; it will be the best for everyone.
After we are sure he is okay. we can change our rigs. discuss what
happened, and do our best to make sure that nothing like this happens to
any other members. The worst thing that could happen is if we walk away
from this without having learned something. but let's save the difficult
discussions for later.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
PS. I took lots of pictures, but would like to wait for authorization
from Mrs. Sharky before I post them.
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89583 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:00pm
Subject: Re: Update on Sharky's Jeep
Thanks for the update Joe and for taking care of Sharky's bad boy. I'm sure he will be very greatful. I agree that the lessons can be learned at a later date. Let's all keep our prayers going for Sharky and his family.
~Wade
Joe West <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
Hi Gang,
We just got back from picking up Sharky's Jeep. a couple of things I
noticed right away:
1. The rollbar did it's job. Sharky's rig is incredibly good shape.
2. Ummmm. Sharky probably owes his life to Mike (RocRat) for
building such a sturdy cage.
3. The external cage protected Sharky's hood perfectly. hardly any
damage to the front of the Jeep.
4. Plenty of front axle type damage. it appears the rig may have
landed front tires first then rolled to the side.
5. I noticed some torn welds in places in the undercarriage, some
loose bolts in various places, and it looks like the body/frame may be
tweaked.
There are without a doubt some lessons for all of us to learn here.
whether it be how important it is to pad your rollbar, or the importance
of wearing at least a three point harness when moving faster than a rock
crawl or. well you get the idea.
I'd like to make one point here. and that is; let's learn our lessons
after Sharky is recovered and out of the woods. if we all focus our
energy on Sharky getting better; it will be the best for everyone.
After we are sure he is okay. we can change our rigs. discuss what
happened, and do our best to make sure that nothing like this happens to
any other members. The worst thing that could happen is if we walk away
from this without having learned something. but let's save the difficult
discussions for later.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
PS. I took lots of pictures, but would like to wait for authorization
from Mrs. Sharky before I post them.
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89584 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:32pm
Subject: Re: labor day sharky run?
In skirts, boots and brooms in hand?
Bill Hooven wrote:
>
>How about we all pose for a "We Miss You Sharky - Get Well Soon" picture,
>too?
>
>
>
>
>
89585 From: Dave Rubinstein <skydivebum@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:01pm
Subject: Re: Seats needed
--- James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> I need some seats for my project, not stock.
> Anyone have any good ideas?
>
> TIA
>
> --James
>
>
>
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>
Hi James,
When I rebuilt my Jeep I went all the way and got
Recaro seats and I've never regreted the expence. I
can ride farther in my Jeep then in my Honda. I did
have a little more money then than I do now, but I
would recomend getting the best seat you can afford.
One with holes for sholder belts, like mine, helps
too.
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89586 From: Kit Carson <kcarson@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:23pm
Subject: Re: Car wash update
I don't know if Scottsdale is east enough for everyone, but I'm sure
I can acquire some city owned property for a large event (if needed
due to high publicity). The parking lots at Scottsdale Stadium for
instance.
Kit - City of Scottsdale
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Katrina and Jeff" <katnjeff4@h...>
wrote:
> I will try to find a good place to hold the wash in the east valley
> if some one wants to do a wash in the west that would be good too!!!
> Is Sun. a good day or would Sat. work better? Does John still have
> the banner?
> If anyone has any input you can call me at work till 5pm at
> 480-769-2814 or at home 480-369-2786
> Thanks Katrina
89587 From: Kit Carson <kcarson@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:31pm
Subject: Re: Sharky's Accident
My friend, Kevin and I went on ahead to the Prescott area for
camping, and then came back down on Sunday the way we went up.
Between Prescott and CK, we came across a jeeper with no doors, open
everything wearing a helmet. I thought he looked silly...Not any more.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Also, don't forget overhead protection,between all the bars..
> Look at any of the comp. vehicles.. The area over the drivers (and
> passengers) head needs to be covered with a least a very, very,
very heavy
> wire mesh, if not a solid sheet of 6061 or 7075 or a sheet of steel.
> The reason is, that during a roll, you don't want a rock protruding
between
> the overhead bars, wacking you in the head.
>
>
> Best,
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> To: "Motoman Lives!" <bronco@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
> <Joe-CJ7@J...>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> > Speaking of headroom and padding... I'm not going back out until
I get
> some
> > padding on my rollcage... nothing like someone elses accident to
show you
> > the design flaws in your own vehicle.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:15 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Joe-CJ7@J...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and
survived with
> very
> > little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad
the hell
> out
> > of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
> >
> > Greg Banfield
> > aka Motoman
> > www.emotoman.com
> > Greg@e...
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Joe-CJ7@J...
> > Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
> > To: Motoman Lives!
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that.
Thanks for
> > the information.
> >
> > In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have
helped or
> > not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want to
make sure
> > I get the proper on.
> >
> > Joe Kearney
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> >
> > This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was
with Sharky
> > up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM
to get out
> > of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He
turned
> > around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot
with a group
> > of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the
group
> kept
> > saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM
we
> > decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown
King. We
> > got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of
the road to
> > make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash
and
> stared
> > at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still
laughing
> hard
> > SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were
hurting. Anyone
> > that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy. I
had been
> > running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
> > point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the
pavement.
> > We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the
left, which
> > sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire
went
> slightly
> > into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road
was right
> > there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole
vaulted
> > the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have
ever seen.
> > I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first
impact. As I
> > came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me
and on it's
> > side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No
response.
> > He was
> > hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his
head and
> he
> > was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not
conscious.
> > Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help.
We knew
> > we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to
stop the
> > bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage
and hold
> > Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the
seat
> belt.
> > We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my
first aid
> > kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I
was able
> > to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
> > sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of
his head.
> > Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and
talked
> to
> > him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took
him. I was
> > able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff
was there
> in
> > 20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30
minutes, and
> > they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting
chopper in 45
> > minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-
17. We
> > were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed with
> Sharky's
> > Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
> > Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We
did not
> > know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not
release the
> > vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's
without the
> owner
> > being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the
impound
> > yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about
Sharky's
> > condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his
> > family. I am
> > available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for
them!
> > Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and
stuff from
> > them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the
side of his
> > head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When
designing
> > your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone
however the
> > vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-566-
9935
> > 602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka
Motoman
> > www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
89588 From: ROOK-(Tim) <twalkalot@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:33pm
Subject: RE: First aid training
Joe,
You can include me too. Is there a age limit? I have a 7 yo girl I would like to expose CPR and 1st aid to, is she to young? or am I thinking the right thing and starting her off right.
Joe West <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
Hi Tom,
I'm a certified CPR/First Aid Instructor (have to be as part of the
SCUBA Instructor thing). I'd be happy to teach a class to the group if
people want to learn. I can setup a class and then donate everything
above my cost to the Sharky fund.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:27 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] First aid training
The events of this weekend got me to thinking about first aid and
trauma,
so I made a few calls. An individual can get first aid and CPR
certified
in 5-6 hours at a cost of $35.00. The $$ generated is donated to fire
fighters charities. I have the contact info and would be willing to
organize a group effort if there is enough interest. It was also
mentioned that a few club members should consider taking EMT training at
a local community college. I'll be looking into that also.
Tom LaFrance
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89589 From: Kevin & Kelly <kkhop@j...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:34pm
Subject: Re: First aid training
Count Us in.
Kevin & Kelly
-- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I'm a certified CPR/First Aid Instructor (have to be as part of the
> SCUBA Instructor thing). I'd be happy to teach a class to the
group if
> people want to learn. I can setup a class and then donate
everything
> above my cost to the Sharky fund.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:27 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] First aid training
>
> The events of this weekend got me to thinking about first aid and
> trauma,
> so I made a few calls. An individual can get first aid and CPR
> certified
> in 5-6 hours at a cost of $35.00. The $$ generated is donated to
fire
> fighters charities. I have the contact info and would be willing to
> organize a group effort if there is enough interest. It was also
> mentioned that a few club members should consider taking EMT
training at
> a local community college. I'll be looking into that also.
>
> Tom LaFrance
>
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89590 From: steven.campbell <steven.campbell@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:41pm
Subject: Re: Update on Sharky's Jeep
Thanks for the update Joe. You hit the nail on the head when you said "The
worst thing that could happen is if we walk away from this without having
learned something."
Steven
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:52 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Update on Sharky's Jeep
> Hi Gang,
>
> We just got back from picking up Sharky's Jeep. a couple of things I
> noticed right away:
>
> 1. The rollbar did it's job. Sharky's rig is incredibly good shape.
> 2. Ummmm. Sharky probably owes his life to Mike (RocRat) for
> building such a sturdy cage.
> 3. The external cage protected Sharky's hood perfectly. hardly any
> damage to the front of the Jeep.
> 4. Plenty of front axle type damage. it appears the rig may have
> landed front tires first then rolled to the side.
> 5. I noticed some torn welds in places in the undercarriage, some
> loose bolts in various places, and it looks like the body/frame may be
> tweaked.
>
> There are without a doubt some lessons for all of us to learn here.
> whether it be how important it is to pad your rollbar, or the importance
> of wearing at least a three point harness when moving faster than a rock
> crawl or. well you get the idea.
>
> I'd like to make one point here. and that is; let's learn our lessons
> after Sharky is recovered and out of the woods. if we all focus our
> energy on Sharky getting better; it will be the best for everyone.
> After we are sure he is okay. we can change our rigs. discuss what
> happened, and do our best to make sure that nothing like this happens to
> any other members. The worst thing that could happen is if we walk away
> from this without having learned something. but let's save the difficult
> discussions for later.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> PS. I took lots of pictures, but would like to wait for authorization
> from Mrs. Sharky before I post them.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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>
>
89591 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@c...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:10am
Subject: Re: Re: Gasoline
Craig,
Not that it matters but that is a fallacy, you do not have to start a
propane powered vehicle on gas, I start mine all of the time hot or cold on
propane. How many forklifts have you seen that have to be started on gas
first? The dealers told people some bad info back when all of this stuff
went down. The point is I am not sitting in line to get gas that someone
else could use. I have (2) 30 gallon propane tanks in the bed of my truck
and the propane fuel is less than diesel most places. I paid 1.45 last time
I filled up. I run propane almost exclusively with no problems. Just wanted
to set the record straight. PS I would rather have a Power Stroke like yours
but that will have to wait awhile.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZ Dust Devils,AZVJC
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, United Four Wheel Drive Clubs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Micek" <micekc@e...>
To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>;
"James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Gasoline
> Many probably don't know that most of the propane vehicles have to be
> started with gasoline and then switched over to propane.
>
> I am glad I have my diesel!
>
> Craig
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Gasoline
>
>
> > Stu, if you asked there are probably others who don't know, no problem.
> >
> > "Alternative Fuel Vehicle" it had a sticker that said, "Propane".
> > Remember the "Alt Fuel" fiasco Jane Hull created for us? This is the
> reason
> > my tuition went from $1200/semester to $1800/semester.
> >
> > and these vehicles are struggling for gas....
> >
> > --James
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:51 AM
> > To: 'jetowle2000'
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Gasoline
> >
> >
> > I am probably going to feel pretty stupid....but what does AFV stand
> > for?
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jetowle2000 [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:13 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Gasoline
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > How is this for funny.... I sat at the Costco for :30 minutes
> > waiting for it to open for gas. They just opened the pump and a
> > Blazer pulls up and gets into line. I look at the license plate and
> > it is blue & white, that's right folks, AFV. I filled up and watched
> > these people sit there in line a while longer.
> > Does this vehicle help explain why this state is so screwed up?
> > (Our tax dollars hard at work)
> >
> > --James
> >
> > PS - Costco on Country Club and Baseline got 2 truck load of gas
> > while I was sitting there and the price was $1.74/gallon.
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Theresa and I had a very funny experience today. We were coming
> > home
> > > from visiting with Joe and Joyce W when we decided to fill up our
> > > crew cab pickup. We cruised past many stations with lines more
> > than
> > > a 1/4 mile long! Since there is no shortage of diesel and all the
> > > stations have it we decided to keep driving until we found a
> > station
> > > with diesel that was out of all the various grades of unleaded.
> > The
> > > place was as deserted as a ghost town. I pull up to the green
> > diesel
> > > pump and start pumping my $1.59 diesel into the truck. Before you
> > > know it there is a swarm of cars cruising the station and circling
> > > the pumps like vultures. After they realize I'm pumping diesel
> > some
> > > of them would squeal out of the lot in frustration. One lady just
> > > looked at me dumb until I told her that I was pumping diesel.
> > > Theresa and I couldn't stop laughing at the situation. It was like
> > a
> > > swarm of locusts decended upon us, LOL. Anyway, I feel for all of
> > > you that are running unleaded this week. Hopefully it gets better
> > in
> > > the near future.
> > >
> > > :D
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Brad" <a292@a...> wrote:
> > > > Does anyone know if there is a gas shortage in Camp Verde? I
> > > > plan to go up on the rim tomorrow via Camp Verde and would
> > > > like to make sure I'll be able to get gas to get back home.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
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89592 From: Kit Carson <kcarson@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:05pm
Subject: Re: labor day sharky run?
I'm in!
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
wrote:
>
> Stuff like this is wicked hard on the family. I was thinking of
what my wife
> would have to go through if anything like this happened. One or two
months
> of me out of work could put us in serious trouble. People are
donating to
> the sharkyfund which is cool. Someone mentioned a car wash which is
cool. I
> was thinking of hosting a benefit run at the whitetanks on labor
day. What
> do you guys think? Appetizer, tax collector, firebird and ruler are
all
> within a mile from each other so there could be runs for all
levels. Have
> people make a donation to run. Maybe have a BBQ afterward, I have
lots of
> room at my house and a couple of spare acres for parking and stuff.
I am
> about 5 miles away from the trail head. Maybe get some of the
vendors to
> donate some stuff and have a raffle?
> Dave Kings got a couple of ramps Im sure we could borrow to have an
rti
> contest, etc...
>
> Let me know what you think and if you would be willing to help with
this
> (trail leaders, BBQ cooks, RTI scoring, etc). I think a couple of
weeks is
> enough time to get it set up. If theres enough interest, I will
get
> started.
>
> keep our fingers crossed and maybe sharky can judge the bikini
contest....:)
>
>
> Alot of people already have plans for labor day so maybe its not
such a good
> idea?
>
>
> Frank
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> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
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89593 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:16pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003
Hello All,
Jim Florence lead a trail run Saturday, August 16, 2003 across Crown King from Lake Pleasant
Trip report early bird run to Crown King.<br>
<br>
This report is a little late but as everyone is aware a lot has been going on.<br>
I showed up at 5:10 to find 3 Jeeps already there. With the help of Rick Norman, Russ G and Flexy we had set up to divide the group into two runs as we had 30 plus Jeeps signed up. Randy Davis and I planned to leave around 5:30 with as many that were ready to go as possible. Well I was surprised to find at 5:30 we had about 20 Jeeps aired down and ready to go. Rick, Russ and Flexy took the rest at 6:00, turned out they had about 20 Jeeps with them also. <br>
The plan worked out well for the most part even though they did catch up to us at points. We had no trouble other then a hole in a radiator hose that was quickly repaired. I had a great time as I hope everyone else also enjoyed the run. Everyone did very well on all the obstacles. I do not even remember anyone pulling out a strap. For this large of group we made good time up the hill.<br>
I think the town enjoyed all the people we brought up and the entertainmentJ our group provided. I know the switchback was crowded all day and the owner seemed very happy to see us. He made sure to get pictures of all the Jeeps lined up on the rocks in front of his bar to put up inside.<br>
As with everyone else it was a shock to get home and start reading about Sharky’s accident. As with everyone else my prayers go out to him and his family. <br>
I also find it amazing how this club will pull together in times of trouble. Thanks to all that joined the Early Bird run. <br>
Jim Florence aka Hackle<br>
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=956
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
89594 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:48pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003
Hello All,
Kent Warner lead a trail run Saturday, August 16, 2003 across Crown King from Lake Pleasant
Well, feel a little wierd doing a trip report with everything going on but.....<br>
<br>
We rolled out a little late, about 8:15, with 12 Jeeps. Was a great morning, and I did my obligatory "missing a right turn" (seems to be a habit I am getting into on runs that I lead), but Bill, our tail gunner, got us back on track (thnx Bill). Had an XJ break a motor mount and had to turn back, and the lone CJ had a little trouble with its electric fan (but not until the rain started, of course) which got fixed and then the rest was pretty smooth. Overall I was pretty impressed, the trail was great and we had a good crew.<br>
<br>
Sharkys group caught us on "the ledge", but they had a ZJ with them and someone was driving a red Dodge pickup, or some damn thing (BTW, Hunter, thnx for welding on the LCA skids on such short notice), so we pulled away from them after that. Rolling into CK was pretty impressive.<br>
<br>
Mucho nice Jeeps.<br>
<br>
Hope Sharky comes through his OK, he can lead us into CK next year.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=959
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
89595 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:55pm
Subject: Sharky Update
Hi all,
Brandon Reid, Jason La Libertiy and I stopped to visit Sharky today, and we were able to see him for a couple of minutes. Sharky is looking very good, under the cricumstances, but is still unconcious. He is moving around and fighting his restraints in true Sharky fashion. He has a bandage on the right side of his head and there is a little swelling, but not too bad. For the most part, he looks like he is simply sleeping and dreaming really hard.
Sharky's wife Stacy and the kids are doing well and hanging in there. Stacy was able to catch a couple hours sleep last night, and is pretty much on auto pilot and running on Mountain Dew. Sharky's parents are in town, and were just leaving to get dinner when we arrived.
Mike, Flexy, Rick Norman were also there, so it was kind of like a club meeting. I know there are many others that want to visit, but the nurses will not be letting anyone else in to see Sharky for awhile, so he can rest. However, all are welcome to stop by and say hi and give support to the family.
Keep the prayers coming.
Brad
89596 From: Josh Reynolds <jrstang67@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:30pm
Subject: First Aid and CPR
Hello all, if anyone is intrested in response to toms e-mail i would
be glad to teach and first aid or cpr classes anyone would be willing
to take. I have been teaching the same classes for 7 years and am
also a certified EMT. We could make it a BBQ with the class
incorperated. No charge. If anyone's intrested let me know we can set
somthing up. Its always to be prepared. Josh Reynolds MULEXJ 623-703-
7727
89597 From: Kevin & Kelly <kkhop@j...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:38pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Trip Report - Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003
If you didn't get to see the pictures for this run here is the
link http://community.webshots.com/user/kkhop . If any one else
has pictures please let me know I would like to see them. I would
also like to thank the trail lead Hackle and everyone who help me
out it was a great time.
It is great to here that Sharky was allowed a few visitors
today that is a very possitive sign.
Kelly &
Daughter
Kristina
2003TJ
Trip report early bird run to Crown King.<br>
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> Hello All,
> Jim Florence lead a trail run Saturday, August 16, 2003 across
Crown King from Lake Pleasant
>
> Trip report early bird run to Crown King.<br>
> <br>
> This report is a little late but as everyone is aware a lot
has been going on.<br>
> I showed up at 5:10 to find 3 Jeeps already there. With the help of
Rick Norman, Russ G and Flexy we had set up to divide the group into
two runs as we had 30 plus Jeeps signed up. Randy Davis and I planned
to leave around 5:30 with as many that were ready to go as possible.
Well I was surprised to find at 5:30 we had about 20 Jeeps aired down
and ready to go. Rick, Russ and Flexy took the rest at 6:00, turned
out they had about 20 Jeeps with them also. <br>
> The plan worked out well for the most part even though they
did catch up to us at points. We had no trouble other then a hole in
a radiator hose that was quickly repaired. I had a great time as I
hope everyone else also enjoyed the run. Everyone did very well on
all the obstacles. I do not even remember anyone pulling out a strap.
For this large of group we made good time up the hill.<br>
> I think the town enjoyed all the people we brought up and the
entertainmentJ our group provided. I know the switchback was crowded
all day and the owner seemed very happy to see us. He made sure to
get pictures of all the Jeeps lined up on the rocks in front of his
bar to put up inside.<br>
> As with everyone else it was a shock to get home and start
reading about Sharky's accident. As with everyone else my prayers go
out to him and his family. <br>
> I also find it amazing how this club will pull together in
times of trouble. Thanks to all that joined the Early Bird run. <br>
> Jim Florence aka Hackle<br>
>
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=956
> Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
>
> - The AzVJC Website
89598 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:52pm
Subject: OT More used Tires
4 33-1250-15 Pro comp X terrain not much trad remaing
4 31-1050-15 Pathfinders approx 50 % remaining
4 305-70-16 MTR's new take off
4 32-1150-15 no name ( not sure what they are )
3 37 1250-15 Mtr's new take off
4-35-1250-18 Bfg Muds
believe it or not I have more sets to get rid of even some wheels
Call me 602-942-9603
once again sorry for the OT post I need to move some used tires
THANKS RICK BEER
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
89599 From: jaylalib <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:59pm
Subject: (FS) Added my rear bumper and rockers for sale to site
Look on the classified section for details...
Jason LaLiberty
89600 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:08pm
Subject: RE: Re: Sharky's Accident
I completely agree with this statement Chris! I feel that this subject
is to be left alone until we can all sit down and have a beer over it!
No sense in pointing fingers. We deal with the task at hand and pray
that if the latter was the case, then this person will learn from a
mistake!
From what I have heard and what I know of Sharky, this was not the case.
Sharky knows what can happen when you mix vehicles and alchohol! We all
know it!
In my honest opinion, "Eric" parajeeper02@y... keep it shut until
the time is right. Right now is not the time!!! Now is the time to bond
together and help a fellow Jeeper who needs our help! I will help out
all that I can!
My wife and I are willing to go the extra mile, why don't you go the
extra mile and forget the questions that you feel might be the cause of
this.
If you were in an accident, I sure as hell wouldn't be asking what I
could do to pinpoint where YOU went wrong, I would be asking what I
could do to help you in your time of need and then maybe ask you on the
side?
PISS off and lets just all do what we can to help Mrs. Sharky and the
mini Sharky's!
BTW-if you have a problem with this feel free to call me anytime, my
cell num is on www.azvjc.org !
Mrs. Sharky (AKA Stacy - I have told Chris and Janel Radoccia to give me
a call if there is anything I can do to help you guys out. We can baby
sit and I can cook a killer meal!) Your friends and Family are here for
you... Let us help if you will please! We are more that willing to
assist!
All our love to you, Sharky, and your wonderful kids!
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:39 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sharky's Accident
I don't think at this time this is appropriate question. From what
we have heard there were at least 3 roll overs that happened as a
result of this trip, unfortunetly one happened to be severe. I
think for now the family needs our support and prayers more than out
questions.
Chris
"AzA"----------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...> wrote:
> I am sorry to hear about Sharky's misfortune. I wish him the best
and
> a speedy recovery.
>
> Not to be a buzzkill but seeing noone has asked I will...... I am
> curious as to if alchohol was a factor as it was at 3am.
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89601 From: robert_j_rogers <robert.rogers@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:11pm
Subject: Re: First Aid and CPR
I think we need to set up a class date...Roy...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Josh Reynolds" <jrstang67@a...> wrote:
> Hello all, if anyone is intrested in response to toms e-mail i
would
> be glad to teach and first aid or cpr classes anyone would be
willing
> to take. I have been teaching the same classes for 7 years and am
> also a certified EMT. We could make it a BBQ with the class
> incorperated. No charge. If anyone's intrested let me know we can
set
> somthing up. Its always to be prepared. Josh Reynolds MULEXJ 623-
703-
> 7727