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89502 From: Motoman Lives! <bronco@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:55am
Subject: Sharky's Accident
This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with Sharky
up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get out
of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a group
of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group kept
saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King. We
got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road to
make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and stared
at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing hard
SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting. Anyone
that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy.
I had been running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the pavement.
We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left, which
sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went slightly
into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole vaulted
the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever seen.
I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on it's
side.
I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response. He was
hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head and he
was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We knew
we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat belt.
We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first aid
kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal.
I was able to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and talked to
him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I was
able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was there in
20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes, and
they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in 45
minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17. We
were only about 2-3 miles from that point.
Keith and I stayed with Sharky's Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did not
know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release the
vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the owner
being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the impound
yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
condition.
We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his family. I am
available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff from
them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of his
head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When designing
your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
vehicle lands..............................
My home phone
623-566-9935
602-743-9389 Cell
602-822-4466 Work
GOD BLESS!
Greg Banfield
aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com
Greg@e...
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89503 From: Scott K <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:59am
Subject: Re: Gasoline
James,
That stinks. I'm sure you wanted to have a few words with the
driver.
Scott
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
wrote:
> Scott,
>
> How is this for funny.... I sat at the Costco for :30 minutes
> waiting for it to open for gas. They just opened the pump and a
> Blazer pulls up and gets into line. I look at the license plate
and
> it is blue & white, that's right folks, AFV. I filled up and
watched
> these people sit there in line a while longer.
> Does this vehicle help explain why this state is so screwed up?
> (Our tax dollars hard at work)
>
> --James
>
> PS - Costco on Country Club and Baseline got 2 truck load of gas
> while I was sitting there and the price was $1.74/gallon.
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Theresa and I had a very funny experience today. We were coming
> home
> > from visiting with Joe and Joyce W when we decided to fill up
our
> > crew cab pickup. We cruised past many stations with lines more
> than
> > a 1/4 mile long! Since there is no shortage of diesel and all
the
> > stations have it we decided to keep driving until we found a
> station
> > with diesel that was out of all the various grades of unleaded.
> The
> > place was as deserted as a ghost town. I pull up to the green
> diesel
> > pump and start pumping my $1.59 diesel into the truck. Before
you
> > know it there is a swarm of cars cruising the station and
circling
> > the pumps like vultures. After they realize I'm pumping diesel
> some
> > of them would squeal out of the lot in frustration. One lady
just
> > looked at me dumb until I told her that I was pumping diesel.
> > Theresa and I couldn't stop laughing at the situation. It was
like
> a
> > swarm of locusts decended upon us, LOL. Anyway, I feel for all
of
> > you that are running unleaded this week. Hopefully it gets
better
> in
> > the near future.
> >
> > :D
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Brad" <a292@a...> wrote:
> > > Does anyone know if there is a gas shortage in Camp Verde? I
> > > plan to go up on the rim tomorrow via Camp Verde and would
> > > like to make sure I'll be able to get gas to get back home.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Brad
89504 From: Scott K <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:59am
Subject: Re: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
I agree. It and the person that posted it should be banished.
Scott
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...> wrote:
> Can we please have one of the Yahoo groups moderators remove this
event
> from the calendar? It is a yahoo calendar event that was set to
remind
> every day.
>
> Chris
>
> On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 06:03 AM, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
>
> >
> > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
> >
> > Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
> >
> > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003
> > Time: 6:00AM - 4:30PM PDT (GMT-07:00)
> >
> > Honda Magna M/C
> > Tools & Out door toys & Mtn Bikes Computer Stuff & Furniture
> > Warner & Alma School Road
> > in Chandler
> > Beat the Heat Come Early
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
89505 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:04am
Subject: RE: Re: Gasoline
Stu, if you asked there are probably others who don't know, no problem.
"Alternative Fuel Vehicle" it had a sticker that said, "Propane".
Remember the "Alt Fuel" fiasco Jane Hull created for us? This is the reason
my tuition went from $1200/semester to $1800/semester.
and these vehicles are struggling for gas....
--James
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:51 AM
To: 'jetowle2000'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Gasoline
I am probably going to feel pretty stupid....but what does AFV stand
for?
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jetowle2000 [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:13 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Gasoline
Scott,
How is this for funny.... I sat at the Costco for :30 minutes
waiting for it to open for gas. They just opened the pump and a
Blazer pulls up and gets into line. I look at the license plate and
it is blue & white, that's right folks, AFV. I filled up and watched
these people sit there in line a while longer.
Does this vehicle help explain why this state is so screwed up?
(Our tax dollars hard at work)
--James
PS - Costco on Country Club and Baseline got 2 truck load of gas
while I was sitting there and the price was $1.74/gallon.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
>
> Theresa and I had a very funny experience today. We were coming
home
> from visiting with Joe and Joyce W when we decided to fill up our
> crew cab pickup. We cruised past many stations with lines more
than
> a 1/4 mile long! Since there is no shortage of diesel and all the
> stations have it we decided to keep driving until we found a
station
> with diesel that was out of all the various grades of unleaded.
The
> place was as deserted as a ghost town. I pull up to the green
diesel
> pump and start pumping my $1.59 diesel into the truck. Before you
> know it there is a swarm of cars cruising the station and circling
> the pumps like vultures. After they realize I'm pumping diesel
some
> of them would squeal out of the lot in frustration. One lady just
> looked at me dumb until I told her that I was pumping diesel.
> Theresa and I couldn't stop laughing at the situation. It was like
a
> swarm of locusts decended upon us, LOL. Anyway, I feel for all of
> you that are running unleaded this week. Hopefully it gets better
in
> the near future.
>
> :D
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Brad" <a292@a...> wrote:
> > Does anyone know if there is a gas shortage in Camp Verde? I
> > plan to go up on the rim tomorrow via Camp Verde and would
> > like to make sure I'll be able to get gas to get back home.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Brad
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89506 From: Scott K <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:06am
Subject: Re: Sharky family fund
Hi,
Please remember that $5 can be harder to come up for some than $200
is for the next man. Let's donate what we can and leave it at that.
The important thing is contributing to the cause. Let's not let
something as petty as our egos get in the way of that.
Regards,
Scott K
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> I'll see your $100 and raise you $215...
> <grin>
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandon Reid [mailto:mikdiamon@c...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:29 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sharky family fund
>
>
> I'll see yer $50 and raise ya $50.
> as Steve Sample would say "LETS ROCK"
>
> Brandon Reid
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "G.R. Holmes" <niitoyis@w...> wrote:
> > My best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery go out to
Sharky
> and
> > my prayers will be with him.
> >
> > On the other hand, I just sent $50 to his PayPal account. I
> challenge
> > anyone who would like to match this.
> > There is no doubt of the need at a time like this.
> >
> > Gary Holmes and Heather Smith
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
89507 From: Annie <annie@i...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:08am
Subject: Re: Car wash for Sharky ???
Great idea we will help out just let us know!
Annie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Katrina and Jeff" <katnjeff4@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:57 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Car wash for Sharky ???
> Hello all, I know everone wants to do somthing to help out, and I
> know one of the things that runs out first when someone is sick or
> hurt is the money, I think the Pay Pal is a very good idea but I
> would love to do more.... I was thinking of a car wash next weeekend
> to help add to the pay pal fund... Yes/No???
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
89508 From: Motoman Lives! <bronco@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:14am
Subject: RE: Sharky's Accident
Joe,
That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and survived with very
little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad the hell out
of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
Greg Banfield
aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com
Greg@e...
-------Original Message-------
From: Joe-CJ7@J...
Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
To: Motoman Lives!
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
Greg,
That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that. Thanks for
the information.
In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have helped or
not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want to make sure
I get the proper on.
Joe Kearney
-----Original Message-----
From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with Sharky
up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get out
of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a group
of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group kept
saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King. We
got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road to
make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and stared
at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing hard
SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting. Anyone
that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy. I had been
running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the pavement.
We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left, which
sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went slightly
into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole vaulted
the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever seen.
I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on it's
side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response.
He was
hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head and he
was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We knew
we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat belt.
We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first aid
kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I was able
to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and talked to
him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I was
able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was there in
20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes, and
they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in 45
minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17. We
were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed with Sharky's
Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did not
know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release the
vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the owner
being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the impound
yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his
family. I am
available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff from
them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of his
head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When designing
your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-566-9935
602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
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89509 From: Kevin & Kelly <kkhop@j...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:28am
Subject: Re: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
We have the address I say we all go to the sale and
let them know we don't like the reminder.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> I agree. It and the person that posted it should be banished.
>
> Scott
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...> wrote:
> > Can we please have one of the Yahoo groups moderators remove this
> event
> > from the calendar? It is a yahoo calendar event that was set to
> remind
> > every day.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 06:03 AM, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
> > >
> > > Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
> > >
> > > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003
> > > Time: 6:00AM - 4:30PM PDT (GMT-07:00)
> > >
> > > Honda Magna M/C
> > > Tools & Out door toys & Mtn Bikes Computer Stuff & Furniture
> > > Warner & Alma School Road
> > > in Chandler
> > > Beat the Heat Come Early
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
89510 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:28am
Subject: RE: Sharky's Accident
Speaking of headroom and padding... I'm not going back out until I get some
padding on my rollcage... nothing like someone elses accident to show you
the design flaws in your own vehicle.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:15 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Joe-CJ7@J...
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
Joe,
That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and survived with very
little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad the hell out
of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
Greg Banfield
aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com
Greg@e...
-------Original Message-------
From: Joe-CJ7@J...
Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
To: Motoman Lives!
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
Greg,
That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that. Thanks for
the information.
In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have helped or
not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want to make sure
I get the proper on.
Joe Kearney
-----Original Message-----
From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with Sharky
up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get out
of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a group
of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group kept
saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King. We
got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road to
make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and stared
at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing hard
SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting. Anyone
that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy. I had been
running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the pavement.
We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left, which
sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went slightly
into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole vaulted
the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever seen.
I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on it's
side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response.
He was
hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head and he
was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We knew
we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat belt.
We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first aid
kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I was able
to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and talked to
him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I was
able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was there in
20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes, and
they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in 45
minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17. We
were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed with Sharky's
Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did not
know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release the
vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the owner
being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the impound
yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his
family. I am
available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff from
them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of his
head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When designing
your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-566-9935
602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
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89511 From: Dave King <daveaz@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:37am
Subject: Re: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
maybe they want to donate the money to Sharky's Fund?
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin & Kelly" <kkhop@j...> wrote:
> We have the address I say we all go to the sale and
> let them know we don't like the reminder.
89512 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:40am
Subject: RE: Sharky's Accident
Right on Greg and Keith! Most awesome job coming to Sharky's rescue and
aid.
Is there anything I or azvjc and do for you?
Our prayers and thought are with Sharky and loved ones.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with
Sharky
up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get
out
of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a
group
of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group
kept
saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King.
We
got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road
to
make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and
stared
at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing
hard
SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting.
Anyone
that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy.
I had been running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out
in
point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the
pavement.
We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left,
which
sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went
slightly
into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole
vaulted
the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever
seen.
I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on
it's
side.
I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response. He
was
hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head
and he
was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We
knew
we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat
belt.
We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first
aid
kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal.
I was able to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and
talked to
him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I
was
able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was
there in
20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes,
and
they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in
45
minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17.
We
were only about 2-3 miles from that point.
Keith and I stayed with Sharky's Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did
not
know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release
the
vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the
owner
being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the
impound
yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
condition.
We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his family. I am
available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff
from
them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of
his
head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When
designing
your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
vehicle lands..............................
My home phone
623-566-9935
602-743-9389 Cell
602-822-4466 Work
GOD BLESS!
Greg Banfield
aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com
Greg@e...
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89513 From: Bill Hooven <whooven@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:53am
Subject: Re: Sharky's Accident
Brainstorming/rambling: Every time I hear of a Jeep accident I think of roll
cage issues. I've strengthened my Jeep "cage" some in the last year but I
know there is much more I could do. Would it make sense to have a "roll
cage" clinic one weekend where we get together for some
designing/fabricating/welding/padding? Is there an opportunity here for all
of us to consider strengthening our "sport bars" or cages? Joe started the
kill switch clinic last year after all the publicity over vehicle theft in
the valley (I'm very happy with my switch - thanks Joe!). Now with the
tragic accident Sharky went through, maybe we could learn from it, get
together and help prevent future injury while the incident is still fresh in
our minds. Some proceeds could go to the Sharky fund even. Do yourself some
good and some good for the Sharky family at the same time. Would it be
better to work through some of the shops represented in our group (Hunter/4
Wheelers Supply/etc.)? Jeep Cage Day?
Bill
--------------
Bill - Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
--------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
To: "Motoman Lives!" <bronco@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
<Joe-CJ7@J...>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> Speaking of headroom and padding... I'm not going back out until I get
some
> padding on my rollcage... nothing like someone elses accident to show you
> the design flaws in your own vehicle.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:15 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Joe-CJ7@J...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> Joe,
>
> That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and survived with
very
> little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad the hell
out
> of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
>
> Greg Banfield
> aka Motoman
> www.emotoman.com
> Greg@e...
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Joe-CJ7@J...
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
> To: Motoman Lives!
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
> Greg,
>
> That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that. Thanks for
> the information.
>
> In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have helped or
> not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want to make sure
> I get the proper on.
>
> Joe Kearney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with Sharky
> up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get out
> of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
> around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a group
> of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group
kept
> saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
> decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King. We
> got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road to
> make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and
stared
> at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing
hard
> SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting. Anyone
> that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy. I had been
> running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
> point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the pavement.
> We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left, which
> sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went
slightly
> into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
> there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole vaulted
> the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever seen.
> I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
> came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on it's
> side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response.
> He was
> hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head and
he
> was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
> Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We knew
> we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
> bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
> Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat
belt.
> We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first aid
> kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I was able
> to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
> sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
> Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and talked
to
> him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I was
> able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was there
in
> 20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes, and
> they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in 45
> minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17. We
> were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed with
Sharky's
> Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
> Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did not
> know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release the
> vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the
owner
> being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the impound
> yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
> condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his
> family. I am
> available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
> Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff from
> them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of his
> head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When designing
> your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
> vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-566-9935
> 602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka Motoman
> www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
>
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89514 From: Scott K <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:46am
Subject: Re: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
I love it!!!
I say we all load up whatever junk we have taking up space in our
garages and yards and haul it over there. Then we can update the
post to reflect that the proceeds go to the Sharky fund. Though I've
recently cleared out my garage I know there is plenty of junk that
has collected in my fathers garage over the years that I can bring
over.
Won't that be a sweet surprise?
LOL
Scott K
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin & Kelly" <kkhop@j...> wrote:
> We have the address I say we all go to the sale and
> let them know we don't like the reminder.
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> > I agree. It and the person that posted it should be banished.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...> wrote:
> > > Can we please have one of the Yahoo groups moderators remove
this
> > event
> > > from the calendar? It is a yahoo calendar event that was set
to
> > remind
> > > every day.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 06:03 AM,
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
> > > >
> > > > Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
> > > >
> > > > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003
> > > > Time: 6:00AM - 4:30PM PDT (GMT-07:00)
> > > >
> > > > Honda Magna M/C
> > > > Tools & Out door toys & Mtn Bikes Computer Stuff & Furniture
> > > > Warner & Alma School Road
> > > > in Chandler
> > > > Beat the Heat Come Early
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
89515 From: Brandon Reid <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:46am
Subject: Re: Sharky family fund
Sorry, did'nt mean to offend, just still feeling kinda empty, and
want to do all I can to help but feel helpless.... heck if everyone
just gave a buck it would be over 2k, and i'm sure that anything
will be appreciated.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please remember that $5 can be harder to come up for some than
$200
> is for the next man. Let's donate what we can and leave it at
that.
> The important thing is contributing to the cause. Let's not let
> something as petty as our egos get in the way of that.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott K
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> > I'll see your $100 and raise you $215...
> > <grin>
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brandon Reid [mailto:mikdiamon@c...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:29 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sharky family fund
> >
> >
> > I'll see yer $50 and raise ya $50.
> > as Steve Sample would say "LETS ROCK"
> >
> > Brandon Reid
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "G.R. Holmes" <niitoyis@w...>
wrote:
> > > My best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery go out to
> Sharky
> > and
> > > my prayers will be with him.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, I just sent $50 to his PayPal account. I
> > challenge
> > > anyone who would like to match this.
> > > There is no doubt of the need at a time like this.
> > >
> > > Gary Holmes and Heather Smith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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89516 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:51am
Subject: RE: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
Gone. Thanks. I was trying to figure out where the message was being
generated... I thought it was one of the VJC clone sites that I gave the
software to pointing at the wrong group address...
Mike Chatfield
Caution: May contain opinions. Point away from brain, especially while
reading
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:26 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
Can we please have one of the Yahoo groups moderators remove this event
from the calendar? It is a yahoo calendar event that was set to remind
every day.
Chris
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 06:03 AM, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
>
> Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003
> Time: 6:00AM - 4:30PM PDT (GMT-07:00)
>
> Honda Magna M/C
> Tools & Out door toys & Mtn Bikes Computer Stuff & Furniture
> Warner & Alma School Road
> in Chandler
> Beat the Heat Come Early
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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89517 From: azlorangers <thumpaz@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:50am
Subject: Car wash for Sharky
I, too, will be available on the East side... just let me know
through the board, as I am following closely along with the whole
situation.
-Glenn
89518 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:53am
Subject: RE: Sharky's Accident
Just a thought.......
Desert Fabrication owner, Todd, is a member of AZVJC and he has done
competition. The rules and standards re "cages" have changed considerably
over the past 3 years due to the devastating roll overs resulting from some
of the extreme obstacles. The standards developed for competition should
most likely be involved in what we all need to follow with our everyday
wheel'n.
I'm sure Todd can help as he built a competition rock buggy a year ago and
has been through a couple of tough rolls with it.
Just my $.02.............. I think the "clinic" idea is great and should be
pursued!!!
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Hooven [mailto:whooven@c...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:53 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> Brainstorming/rambling: Every time I hear of a Jeep accident I
> think of roll
> cage issues. I've strengthened my Jeep "cage" some in the last year but I
> know there is much more I could do. Would it make sense to have a "roll
> cage" clinic one weekend where we get together for some
> designing/fabricating/welding/padding? Is there an opportunity
> here for all
> of us to consider strengthening our "sport bars" or cages? Joe started the
> kill switch clinic last year after all the publicity over vehicle theft in
> the valley (I'm very happy with my switch - thanks Joe!). Now with the
> tragic accident Sharky went through, maybe we could learn from it, get
> together and help prevent future injury while the incident is
> still fresh in
> our minds. Some proceeds could go to the Sharky fund even. Do
> yourself some
> good and some good for the Sharky family at the same time. Would it be
> better to work through some of the shops represented in our group
> (Hunter/4
> Wheelers Supply/etc.)? Jeep Cage Day?
>
> Bill
>
> --------------
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> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> To: "Motoman Lives!" <bronco@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
> <Joe-CJ7@J...>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> > Speaking of headroom and padding... I'm not going back out until I get
> some
> > padding on my rollcage... nothing like someone elses accident
> to show you
> > the design flaws in your own vehicle.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:15 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Joe-CJ7@J...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and survived with
> very
> > little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad the hell
> out
> > of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
> >
> > Greg Banfield
> > aka Motoman
> > www.emotoman.com
> > Greg@e...
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Joe-CJ7@J...
> > Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
> > To: Motoman Lives!
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that.
> Thanks for
> > the information.
> >
> > In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have
> helped or
> > not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want
> to make sure
> > I get the proper on.
> >
> > Joe Kearney
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> >
> > This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was
> with Sharky
> > up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM
> to get out
> > of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
> > around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot
> with a group
> > of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group
> kept
> > saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
> > decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out
> Crown King. We
> > got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of
> the road to
> > make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and
> stared
> > at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing
> hard
> > SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were
> hurting. Anyone
> > that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy.
> I had been
> > running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
> > point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from
> the pavement.
> > We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the
> left, which
> > sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went
> slightly
> > into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
> > there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and
> pole vaulted
> > the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have
> ever seen.
> > I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
> > came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me
> and on it's
> > side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No
> response.
> > He was
> > hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head and
> he
> > was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
> > Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his
> help. We knew
> > we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
> > bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
> > Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat
> belt.
> > We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get
> my first aid
> > kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I was able
> > to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
> > sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
> > Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and talked
> to
> > him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took
> him. I was
> > able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was there
> in
> > 20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30
> minutes, and
> > they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting
> chopper in 45
> > minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17. We
> > were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed with
> Sharky's
> > Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
> > Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard.
> We did not
> > know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not
> release the
> > vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the
> owner
> > being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the impound
> > yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
> > condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his
> > family. I am
> > available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
> > Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and
> stuff from
> > them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the
> side of his
> > head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When
> designing
> > your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
> > vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-566-9935
> > 602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka Motoman
> > www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
> >
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> >
> >
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89519 From: Scott K <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:56am
Subject: Roll cages (Was: Re: Sharky's Accident)
This is a great topic. I think the value of a good cage shouldn't be
overlooked. I had one of the OR Fab "sport" cages in my TJ which is
very similar to the one made my Toys by Troy. Looking back I can't
help but wonder how effective it would have been in a higher speed
roll like Sharkys. I believe it would have been fine in an offroad
roll because that is usually at slower speeds. But I think I
overlooked the kind of situation that happened to Sharky when I
bought it. I'm sure that it was definitely an improvement over the
stock setup. Thats pretty obvious. But would it possibly save my
life if I needed it to? From what I've heard about Sharkys accident
it may very well be that his well built cage made the difference
between life and death.
I'm going to be building up another vehicle when I get to Montana. I
think the first thing on my list will be to build a real cage
designed to handle a highway speed rollover. I'm thinking that frame
tie ins are not an option next time. I'd love to hear those opinions
on the matter again (even those from my friend Joe W;).
So we have learned to be careful about CB equipment and where its
placed on a cage from this incident. What other design features are
often overlooked?
Scott K
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hooven" <whooven@c...> wrote:
> Brainstorming/rambling: Every time I hear of a Jeep accident I
think of roll
> cage issues. I've strengthened my Jeep "cage" some in the last
year but I
> know there is much more I could do. Would it make sense to have
a "roll
> cage" clinic one weekend where we get together for some
> designing/fabricating/welding/padding? Is there an opportunity
here for all
> of us to consider strengthening our "sport bars" or cages? Joe
started the
> kill switch clinic last year after all the publicity over vehicle
theft in
> the valley (I'm very happy with my switch - thanks Joe!). Now with
the
> tragic accident Sharky went through, maybe we could learn from it,
get
> together and help prevent future injury while the incident is
still fresh in
> our minds. Some proceeds could go to the Sharky fund even. Do
yourself some
> good and some good for the Sharky family at the same time. Would
it be
> better to work through some of the shops represented in our group
(Hunter/4
> Wheelers Supply/etc.)? Jeep Cage Day?
>
> Bill
>
> --------------
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> http://www.jeepsonly.com
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> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> To: "Motoman Lives!" <bronco@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
> <Joe-CJ7@J...>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> > Speaking of headroom and padding... I'm not going back out until
I get
> some
> > padding on my rollcage... nothing like someone elses accident to
show you
> > the design flaws in your own vehicle.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:15 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Joe-CJ7@J...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and
survived with
> very
> > little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad
the hell
> out
> > of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
> >
> > Greg Banfield
> > aka Motoman
> > www.emotoman.com
> > Greg@e...
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Joe-CJ7@J...
> > Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
> > To: Motoman Lives!
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that.
Thanks for
> > the information.
> >
> > In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have
helped or
> > not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want to
make sure
> > I get the proper on.
> >
> > Joe Kearney
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> >
> > This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was
with Sharky
> > up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM
to get out
> > of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He
turned
> > around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot
with a group
> > of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the
group
> kept
> > saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00
AM we
> > decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out
Crown King. We
> > got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of
the road to
> > make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash
and
> stared
> > at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still
laughing
> hard
> > SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were
hurting. Anyone
> > that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy.
I had been
> > running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
> > point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the
pavement.
> > We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the
left, which
> > sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire
went
> slightly
> > into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road
was right
> > there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and
pole vaulted
> > the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have
ever seen.
> > I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first
impact. As I
> > came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me
and on it's
> > side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No
response.
> > He was
> > hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his
head and
> he
> > was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not
conscious.
> > Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his
help. We knew
> > we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to
stop the
> > bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage
and hold
> > Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the
seat
> belt.
> > We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my
first aid
> > kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I
was able
> > to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
> > sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of
his head.
> > Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand
and talked
> to
> > him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took
him. I was
> > able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff
was there
> in
> > 20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30
minutes, and
> > they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting
chopper in 45
> > minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at
I-17. We
> > were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed
with
> Sharky's
> > Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
> > Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard.
We did not
> > know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not
release the
> > vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's
without the
> owner
> > being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the
impound
> > yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about
Sharky's
> > condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for
his
> > family. I am
> > available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for
them!
> > Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and
stuff from
> > them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the
side of his
> > head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When
designing
> > your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone
however the
> > vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-
566-9935
> > 602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka
Motoman
> > www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
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89520 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:59am
Subject: RE: Sharky's Accident
I am sure glad you both were there and able to provide help so quickly.
You both did a great job.
The AZVJC has some of the best people I have ever known. The actions
and generocity of this group never ceases to amaze me.
We are all praying for Sharky and his family.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:40 AM
To: 'Motoman Lives!'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Right on Greg and Keith! Most awesome job coming to Sharky's rescue and
aid.
Is there anything I or azvjc and do for you?
Our prayers and thought are with Sharky and loved ones.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with
Sharky
up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get
out
of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a
group
of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group
kept
saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King.
We
got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road
to
make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and
stared
at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing
hard
SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting.
Anyone
that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy.
I had been running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out
in
point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the
pavement.
We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left,
which
sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went
slightly
into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole
vaulted
the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever
seen.
I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on
it's
side.
I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response. He
was
hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head
and he
was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We
knew
we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat
belt.
We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first
aid
kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal.
I was able to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and
talked to
him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I
was
able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was
there in
20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes,
and
they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in
45
minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17.
We
were only about 2-3 miles from that point.
Keith and I stayed with Sharky's Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did
not
know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release
the
vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the
owner
being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the
impound
yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
condition.
We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his family. I am
available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff
from
them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of
his
head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When
designing
your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
vehicle lands..............................
My home phone
623-566-9935
602-743-9389 Cell
602-822-4466 Work
GOD BLESS!
Greg Banfield
aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com
Greg@e...
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89521 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:00am
Subject: Re: Sharky's accident
Amen to that.
My thoughts and prayers are with you Sharky!
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "azlorangers" <thumpaz@a...> wrote:
> If Sharky's recouperative abilities and will to live are anywhere
> close to his love of life and fervor for wheeling, then he will be
> back on the trails in no time.
>
> -Glenn McConnell
89522 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:00am
Subject: Roll cages (Was: Re: Sharky's Accident)
The seats and harnesses need to be part of the cage not the tub.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> This is a great topic. I think the value of a good cage shouldn't
be
> overlooked. I had one of the OR Fab "sport" cages in my TJ which
is
> very similar to the one made my Toys by Troy. Looking back I can't
> help but wonder how effective it would have been in a higher speed
> roll like Sharkys. I believe it would have been fine in an offroad
> roll because that is usually at slower speeds. But I think I
> overlooked the kind of situation that happened to Sharky when I
> bought it. I'm sure that it was definitely an improvement over the
> stock setup. Thats pretty obvious. But would it possibly save my
> life if I needed it to? From what I've heard about Sharkys
accident
> it may very well be that his well built cage made the difference
> between life and death.
>
> I'm going to be building up another vehicle when I get to Montana.
I
> think the first thing on my list will be to build a real cage
> designed to handle a highway speed rollover. I'm thinking that
frame
> tie ins are not an option next time. I'd love to hear those
opinions
> on the matter again (even those from my friend Joe W;).
>
> So we have learned to be careful about CB equipment and where its
> placed on a cage from this incident. What other design features
are
> often overlooked?
>
> Scott K
>
89523 From: Katrina and Jeff <katnjeff4@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:06am
Subject: Car wash update
I will try to find a good place to hold the wash in the east valley
if some one wants to do a wash in the west that would be good too!!!
Is Sun. a good day or would Sat. work better? Does John still have
the banner?
If anyone has any input you can call me at work till 5pm at
480-769-2814 or at home 480-369-2786
Thanks Katrina
89524 From: jaylalib <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:10am
Subject: JU Support for Sharky
Hi there,
A few AZVJC happened to post about Sharky on the board. Here is a
link to the thread..
Jason
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?
s=&threadid=426481&perpage=20&pagenumber=1
89525 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:18am
Subject: Re: Sharky's Accident
Also, don't forget overhead protection,between all the bars..
Look at any of the comp. vehicles.. The area over the drivers (and
passengers) head needs to be covered with a least a very, very, very heavy
wire mesh, if not a solid sheet of 6061 or 7075 or a sheet of steel.
The reason is, that during a roll, you don't want a rock protruding between
the overhead bars, wacking you in the head.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
To: "Motoman Lives!" <bronco@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
<Joe-CJ7@J...>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> Speaking of headroom and padding... I'm not going back out until I get
some
> padding on my rollcage... nothing like someone elses accident to show you
> the design flaws in your own vehicle.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:15 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Joe-CJ7@J...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> Joe,
>
> That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and survived with
very
> little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad the hell
out
> of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
>
> Greg Banfield
> aka Motoman
> www.emotoman.com
> Greg@e...
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Joe-CJ7@J...
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
> To: Motoman Lives!
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
> Greg,
>
> That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that. Thanks for
> the information.
>
> In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have helped or
> not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want to make sure
> I get the proper on.
>
> Joe Kearney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with Sharky
> up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get out
> of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
> around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a group
> of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group
kept
> saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
> decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King. We
> got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road to
> make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and
stared
> at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing
hard
> SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting. Anyone
> that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy. I had been
> running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
> point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the pavement.
> We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left, which
> sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went
slightly
> into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
> there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole vaulted
> the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever seen.
> I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
> came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on it's
> side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response.
> He was
> hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head and
he
> was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
> Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We knew
> we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
> bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
> Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat
belt.
> We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first aid
> kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I was able
> to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
> sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
> Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and talked
to
> him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I was
> able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was there
in
> 20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes, and
> they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in 45
> minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17. We
> were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed with
Sharky's
> Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
> Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did not
> know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release the
> vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the
owner
> being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the impound
> yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
> condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his
> family. I am
> available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
> Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff from
> them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of his
> head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When designing
> your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
> vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-566-9935
> 602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka Motoman
> www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
>
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89526 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:18am
Subject: Re: Car wash update (Banner???)
No I do not.... Once again it was taken from me awhiel back and never
returned... I belive it was a Bob somehting...... It was awhile ago...I think it
was for a freeway opening event.
Best regards
John k
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89502 From: Motoman Lives! <bronco@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:55am
Subject: Sharky's Accident
This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with Sharky
up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get out
of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a group
of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group kept
saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King. We
got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road to
make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and stared
at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing hard
SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting. Anyone
that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy.
I had been running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the pavement.
We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left, which
sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went slightly
into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole vaulted
the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever seen.
I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on it's
side.
I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response. He was
hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head and he
was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We knew
we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat belt.
We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first aid
kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal.
I was able to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and talked to
him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I was
able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was there in
20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes, and
they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in 45
minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17. We
were only about 2-3 miles from that point.
Keith and I stayed with Sharky's Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did not
know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release the
vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the owner
being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the impound
yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
condition.
We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his family. I am
available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff from
them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of his
head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When designing
your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
vehicle lands..............................
My home phone
623-566-9935
602-743-9389 Cell
602-822-4466 Work
GOD BLESS!
Greg Banfield
aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com
Greg@e...
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89503 From: Scott K <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:59am
Subject: Re: Gasoline
James,
That stinks. I'm sure you wanted to have a few words with the
driver.
Scott
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
wrote:
> Scott,
>
> How is this for funny.... I sat at the Costco for :30 minutes
> waiting for it to open for gas. They just opened the pump and a
> Blazer pulls up and gets into line. I look at the license plate
and
> it is blue & white, that's right folks, AFV. I filled up and
watched
> these people sit there in line a while longer.
> Does this vehicle help explain why this state is so screwed up?
> (Our tax dollars hard at work)
>
> --James
>
> PS - Costco on Country Club and Baseline got 2 truck load of gas
> while I was sitting there and the price was $1.74/gallon.
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Theresa and I had a very funny experience today. We were coming
> home
> > from visiting with Joe and Joyce W when we decided to fill up
our
> > crew cab pickup. We cruised past many stations with lines more
> than
> > a 1/4 mile long! Since there is no shortage of diesel and all
the
> > stations have it we decided to keep driving until we found a
> station
> > with diesel that was out of all the various grades of unleaded.
> The
> > place was as deserted as a ghost town. I pull up to the green
> diesel
> > pump and start pumping my $1.59 diesel into the truck. Before
you
> > know it there is a swarm of cars cruising the station and
circling
> > the pumps like vultures. After they realize I'm pumping diesel
> some
> > of them would squeal out of the lot in frustration. One lady
just
> > looked at me dumb until I told her that I was pumping diesel.
> > Theresa and I couldn't stop laughing at the situation. It was
like
> a
> > swarm of locusts decended upon us, LOL. Anyway, I feel for all
of
> > you that are running unleaded this week. Hopefully it gets
better
> in
> > the near future.
> >
> > :D
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Brad" <a292@a...> wrote:
> > > Does anyone know if there is a gas shortage in Camp Verde? I
> > > plan to go up on the rim tomorrow via Camp Verde and would
> > > like to make sure I'll be able to get gas to get back home.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Brad
89504 From: Scott K <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:59am
Subject: Re: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
I agree. It and the person that posted it should be banished.
Scott
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...> wrote:
> Can we please have one of the Yahoo groups moderators remove this
event
> from the calendar? It is a yahoo calendar event that was set to
remind
> every day.
>
> Chris
>
> On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 06:03 AM, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
>
> >
> > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
> >
> > Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
> >
> > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003
> > Time: 6:00AM - 4:30PM PDT (GMT-07:00)
> >
> > Honda Magna M/C
> > Tools & Out door toys & Mtn Bikes Computer Stuff & Furniture
> > Warner & Alma School Road
> > in Chandler
> > Beat the Heat Come Early
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
89505 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:04am
Subject: RE: Re: Gasoline
Stu, if you asked there are probably others who don't know, no problem.
"Alternative Fuel Vehicle" it had a sticker that said, "Propane".
Remember the "Alt Fuel" fiasco Jane Hull created for us? This is the reason
my tuition went from $1200/semester to $1800/semester.
and these vehicles are struggling for gas....
--James
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:51 AM
To: 'jetowle2000'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Gasoline
I am probably going to feel pretty stupid....but what does AFV stand
for?
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jetowle2000 [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:13 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Gasoline
Scott,
How is this for funny.... I sat at the Costco for :30 minutes
waiting for it to open for gas. They just opened the pump and a
Blazer pulls up and gets into line. I look at the license plate and
it is blue & white, that's right folks, AFV. I filled up and watched
these people sit there in line a while longer.
Does this vehicle help explain why this state is so screwed up?
(Our tax dollars hard at work)
--James
PS - Costco on Country Club and Baseline got 2 truck load of gas
while I was sitting there and the price was $1.74/gallon.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
>
> Theresa and I had a very funny experience today. We were coming
home
> from visiting with Joe and Joyce W when we decided to fill up our
> crew cab pickup. We cruised past many stations with lines more
than
> a 1/4 mile long! Since there is no shortage of diesel and all the
> stations have it we decided to keep driving until we found a
station
> with diesel that was out of all the various grades of unleaded.
The
> place was as deserted as a ghost town. I pull up to the green
diesel
> pump and start pumping my $1.59 diesel into the truck. Before you
> know it there is a swarm of cars cruising the station and circling
> the pumps like vultures. After they realize I'm pumping diesel
some
> of them would squeal out of the lot in frustration. One lady just
> looked at me dumb until I told her that I was pumping diesel.
> Theresa and I couldn't stop laughing at the situation. It was like
a
> swarm of locusts decended upon us, LOL. Anyway, I feel for all of
> you that are running unleaded this week. Hopefully it gets better
in
> the near future.
>
> :D
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Brad" <a292@a...> wrote:
> > Does anyone know if there is a gas shortage in Camp Verde? I
> > plan to go up on the rim tomorrow via Camp Verde and would
> > like to make sure I'll be able to get gas to get back home.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Brad
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89506 From: Scott K <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:06am
Subject: Re: Sharky family fund
Hi,
Please remember that $5 can be harder to come up for some than $200
is for the next man. Let's donate what we can and leave it at that.
The important thing is contributing to the cause. Let's not let
something as petty as our egos get in the way of that.
Regards,
Scott K
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> I'll see your $100 and raise you $215...
> <grin>
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandon Reid [mailto:mikdiamon@c...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:29 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sharky family fund
>
>
> I'll see yer $50 and raise ya $50.
> as Steve Sample would say "LETS ROCK"
>
> Brandon Reid
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "G.R. Holmes" <niitoyis@w...> wrote:
> > My best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery go out to
Sharky
> and
> > my prayers will be with him.
> >
> > On the other hand, I just sent $50 to his PayPal account. I
> challenge
> > anyone who would like to match this.
> > There is no doubt of the need at a time like this.
> >
> > Gary Holmes and Heather Smith
>
>
>
>
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89507 From: Annie <annie@i...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:08am
Subject: Re: Car wash for Sharky ???
Great idea we will help out just let us know!
Annie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Katrina and Jeff" <katnjeff4@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:57 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Car wash for Sharky ???
> Hello all, I know everone wants to do somthing to help out, and I
> know one of the things that runs out first when someone is sick or
> hurt is the money, I think the Pay Pal is a very good idea but I
> would love to do more.... I was thinking of a car wash next weeekend
> to help add to the pay pal fund... Yes/No???
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
89508 From: Motoman Lives! <bronco@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:14am
Subject: RE: Sharky's Accident
Joe,
That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and survived with very
little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad the hell out
of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
Greg Banfield
aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com
Greg@e...
-------Original Message-------
From: Joe-CJ7@J...
Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
To: Motoman Lives!
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
Greg,
That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that. Thanks for
the information.
In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have helped or
not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want to make sure
I get the proper on.
Joe Kearney
-----Original Message-----
From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with Sharky
up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get out
of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a group
of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group kept
saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King. We
got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road to
make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and stared
at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing hard
SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting. Anyone
that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy. I had been
running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the pavement.
We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left, which
sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went slightly
into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole vaulted
the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever seen.
I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on it's
side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response.
He was
hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head and he
was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We knew
we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat belt.
We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first aid
kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I was able
to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and talked to
him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I was
able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was there in
20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes, and
they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in 45
minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17. We
were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed with Sharky's
Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did not
know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release the
vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the owner
being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the impound
yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his
family. I am
available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff from
them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of his
head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When designing
your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-566-9935
602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
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89509 From: Kevin & Kelly <kkhop@j...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:28am
Subject: Re: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
We have the address I say we all go to the sale and
let them know we don't like the reminder.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> I agree. It and the person that posted it should be banished.
>
> Scott
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...> wrote:
> > Can we please have one of the Yahoo groups moderators remove this
> event
> > from the calendar? It is a yahoo calendar event that was set to
> remind
> > every day.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 06:03 AM, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
> > >
> > > Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
> > >
> > > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003
> > > Time: 6:00AM - 4:30PM PDT (GMT-07:00)
> > >
> > > Honda Magna M/C
> > > Tools & Out door toys & Mtn Bikes Computer Stuff & Furniture
> > > Warner & Alma School Road
> > > in Chandler
> > > Beat the Heat Come Early
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
89510 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:28am
Subject: RE: Sharky's Accident
Speaking of headroom and padding... I'm not going back out until I get some
padding on my rollcage... nothing like someone elses accident to show you
the design flaws in your own vehicle.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:15 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Joe-CJ7@J...
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
Joe,
That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and survived with very
little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad the hell out
of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
Greg Banfield
aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com
Greg@e...
-------Original Message-------
From: Joe-CJ7@J...
Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
To: Motoman Lives!
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
Greg,
That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that. Thanks for
the information.
In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have helped or
not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want to make sure
I get the proper on.
Joe Kearney
-----Original Message-----
From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with Sharky
up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get out
of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a group
of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group kept
saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King. We
got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road to
make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and stared
at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing hard
SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting. Anyone
that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy. I had been
running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the pavement.
We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left, which
sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went slightly
into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole vaulted
the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever seen.
I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on it's
side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response.
He was
hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head and he
was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We knew
we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat belt.
We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first aid
kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I was able
to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and talked to
him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I was
able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was there in
20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes, and
they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in 45
minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17. We
were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed with Sharky's
Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did not
know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release the
vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the owner
being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the impound
yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his
family. I am
available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff from
them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of his
head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When designing
your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-566-9935
602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
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89511 From: Dave King <daveaz@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:37am
Subject: Re: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
maybe they want to donate the money to Sharky's Fund?
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin & Kelly" <kkhop@j...> wrote:
> We have the address I say we all go to the sale and
> let them know we don't like the reminder.
89512 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:40am
Subject: RE: Sharky's Accident
Right on Greg and Keith! Most awesome job coming to Sharky's rescue and
aid.
Is there anything I or azvjc and do for you?
Our prayers and thought are with Sharky and loved ones.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with
Sharky
up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get
out
of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a
group
of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group
kept
saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King.
We
got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road
to
make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and
stared
at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing
hard
SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting.
Anyone
that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy.
I had been running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out
in
point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the
pavement.
We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left,
which
sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went
slightly
into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole
vaulted
the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever
seen.
I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on
it's
side.
I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response. He
was
hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head
and he
was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We
knew
we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat
belt.
We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first
aid
kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal.
I was able to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and
talked to
him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I
was
able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was
there in
20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes,
and
they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in
45
minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17.
We
were only about 2-3 miles from that point.
Keith and I stayed with Sharky's Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did
not
know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release
the
vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the
owner
being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the
impound
yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
condition.
We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his family. I am
available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff
from
them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of
his
head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When
designing
your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
vehicle lands..............................
My home phone
623-566-9935
602-743-9389 Cell
602-822-4466 Work
GOD BLESS!
Greg Banfield
aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com
Greg@e...
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89513 From: Bill Hooven <whooven@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:53am
Subject: Re: Sharky's Accident
Brainstorming/rambling: Every time I hear of a Jeep accident I think of roll
cage issues. I've strengthened my Jeep "cage" some in the last year but I
know there is much more I could do. Would it make sense to have a "roll
cage" clinic one weekend where we get together for some
designing/fabricating/welding/padding? Is there an opportunity here for all
of us to consider strengthening our "sport bars" or cages? Joe started the
kill switch clinic last year after all the publicity over vehicle theft in
the valley (I'm very happy with my switch - thanks Joe!). Now with the
tragic accident Sharky went through, maybe we could learn from it, get
together and help prevent future injury while the incident is still fresh in
our minds. Some proceeds could go to the Sharky fund even. Do yourself some
good and some good for the Sharky family at the same time. Would it be
better to work through some of the shops represented in our group (Hunter/4
Wheelers Supply/etc.)? Jeep Cage Day?
Bill
--------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
To: "Motoman Lives!" <bronco@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
<Joe-CJ7@J...>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> Speaking of headroom and padding... I'm not going back out until I get
some
> padding on my rollcage... nothing like someone elses accident to show you
> the design flaws in your own vehicle.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:15 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Joe-CJ7@J...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> Joe,
>
> That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and survived with
very
> little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad the hell
out
> of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
>
> Greg Banfield
> aka Motoman
> www.emotoman.com
> Greg@e...
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Joe-CJ7@J...
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
> To: Motoman Lives!
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
> Greg,
>
> That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that. Thanks for
> the information.
>
> In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have helped or
> not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want to make sure
> I get the proper on.
>
> Joe Kearney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with Sharky
> up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get out
> of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
> around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a group
> of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group
kept
> saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
> decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King. We
> got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road to
> make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and
stared
> at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing
hard
> SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting. Anyone
> that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy. I had been
> running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
> point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the pavement.
> We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left, which
> sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went
slightly
> into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
> there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole vaulted
> the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever seen.
> I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
> came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on it's
> side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response.
> He was
> hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head and
he
> was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
> Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We knew
> we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
> bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
> Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat
belt.
> We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first aid
> kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I was able
> to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
> sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
> Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and talked
to
> him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I was
> able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was there
in
> 20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes, and
> they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in 45
> minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17. We
> were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed with
Sharky's
> Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
> Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did not
> know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release the
> vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the
owner
> being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the impound
> yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
> condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his
> family. I am
> available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
> Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff from
> them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of his
> head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When designing
> your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
> vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-566-9935
> 602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka Motoman
> www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
>
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89514 From: Scott K <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:46am
Subject: Re: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
I love it!!!
I say we all load up whatever junk we have taking up space in our
garages and yards and haul it over there. Then we can update the
post to reflect that the proceeds go to the Sharky fund. Though I've
recently cleared out my garage I know there is plenty of junk that
has collected in my fathers garage over the years that I can bring
over.
Won't that be a sweet surprise?
LOL
Scott K
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin & Kelly" <kkhop@j...> wrote:
> We have the address I say we all go to the sale and
> let them know we don't like the reminder.
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> > I agree. It and the person that posted it should be banished.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...> wrote:
> > > Can we please have one of the Yahoo groups moderators remove
this
> > event
> > > from the calendar? It is a yahoo calendar event that was set
to
> > remind
> > > every day.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 06:03 AM,
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
> > > >
> > > > Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
> > > >
> > > > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003
> > > > Time: 6:00AM - 4:30PM PDT (GMT-07:00)
> > > >
> > > > Honda Magna M/C
> > > > Tools & Out door toys & Mtn Bikes Computer Stuff & Furniture
> > > > Warner & Alma School Road
> > > > in Chandler
> > > > Beat the Heat Come Early
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
89515 From: Brandon Reid <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:46am
Subject: Re: Sharky family fund
Sorry, did'nt mean to offend, just still feeling kinda empty, and
want to do all I can to help but feel helpless.... heck if everyone
just gave a buck it would be over 2k, and i'm sure that anything
will be appreciated.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please remember that $5 can be harder to come up for some than
$200
> is for the next man. Let's donate what we can and leave it at
that.
> The important thing is contributing to the cause. Let's not let
> something as petty as our egos get in the way of that.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott K
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> > I'll see your $100 and raise you $215...
> > <grin>
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brandon Reid [mailto:mikdiamon@c...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:29 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sharky family fund
> >
> >
> > I'll see yer $50 and raise ya $50.
> > as Steve Sample would say "LETS ROCK"
> >
> > Brandon Reid
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "G.R. Holmes" <niitoyis@w...>
wrote:
> > > My best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery go out to
> Sharky
> > and
> > > my prayers will be with him.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, I just sent $50 to his PayPal account. I
> > challenge
> > > anyone who would like to match this.
> > > There is no doubt of the need at a time like this.
> > >
> > > Gary Holmes and Heather Smith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
89516 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:51am
Subject: RE: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
Gone. Thanks. I was trying to figure out where the message was being
generated... I thought it was one of the VJC clone sites that I gave the
software to pointing at the wrong group address...
Mike Chatfield
Caution: May contain opinions. Point away from brain, especially while
reading
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:26 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
Can we please have one of the Yahoo groups moderators remove this event
from the calendar? It is a yahoo calendar event that was set to remind
every day.
Chris
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 06:03 AM, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
>
> Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003
> Time: 6:00AM - 4:30PM PDT (GMT-07:00)
>
> Honda Magna M/C
> Tools & Out door toys & Mtn Bikes Computer Stuff & Furniture
> Warner & Alma School Road
> in Chandler
> Beat the Heat Come Early
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
89517 From: azlorangers <thumpaz@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:50am
Subject: Car wash for Sharky
I, too, will be available on the East side... just let me know
through the board, as I am following closely along with the whole
situation.
-Glenn
89518 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:53am
Subject: RE: Sharky's Accident
Just a thought.......
Desert Fabrication owner, Todd, is a member of AZVJC and he has done
competition. The rules and standards re "cages" have changed considerably
over the past 3 years due to the devastating roll overs resulting from some
of the extreme obstacles. The standards developed for competition should
most likely be involved in what we all need to follow with our everyday
wheel'n.
I'm sure Todd can help as he built a competition rock buggy a year ago and
has been through a couple of tough rolls with it.
Just my $.02.............. I think the "clinic" idea is great and should be
pursued!!!
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Hooven [mailto:whooven@c...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:53 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> Brainstorming/rambling: Every time I hear of a Jeep accident I
> think of roll
> cage issues. I've strengthened my Jeep "cage" some in the last year but I
> know there is much more I could do. Would it make sense to have a "roll
> cage" clinic one weekend where we get together for some
> designing/fabricating/welding/padding? Is there an opportunity
> here for all
> of us to consider strengthening our "sport bars" or cages? Joe started the
> kill switch clinic last year after all the publicity over vehicle theft in
> the valley (I'm very happy with my switch - thanks Joe!). Now with the
> tragic accident Sharky went through, maybe we could learn from it, get
> together and help prevent future injury while the incident is
> still fresh in
> our minds. Some proceeds could go to the Sharky fund even. Do
> yourself some
> good and some good for the Sharky family at the same time. Would it be
> better to work through some of the shops represented in our group
> (Hunter/4
> Wheelers Supply/etc.)? Jeep Cage Day?
>
> Bill
>
> --------------
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> A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> To: "Motoman Lives!" <bronco@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
> <Joe-CJ7@J...>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> > Speaking of headroom and padding... I'm not going back out until I get
> some
> > padding on my rollcage... nothing like someone elses accident
> to show you
> > the design flaws in your own vehicle.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:15 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Joe-CJ7@J...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and survived with
> very
> > little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad the hell
> out
> > of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
> >
> > Greg Banfield
> > aka Motoman
> > www.emotoman.com
> > Greg@e...
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Joe-CJ7@J...
> > Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
> > To: Motoman Lives!
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that.
> Thanks for
> > the information.
> >
> > In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have
> helped or
> > not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want
> to make sure
> > I get the proper on.
> >
> > Joe Kearney
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> >
> > This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was
> with Sharky
> > up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM
> to get out
> > of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
> > around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot
> with a group
> > of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group
> kept
> > saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
> > decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out
> Crown King. We
> > got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of
> the road to
> > make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and
> stared
> > at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing
> hard
> > SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were
> hurting. Anyone
> > that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy.
> I had been
> > running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
> > point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from
> the pavement.
> > We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the
> left, which
> > sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went
> slightly
> > into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
> > there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and
> pole vaulted
> > the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have
> ever seen.
> > I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
> > came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me
> and on it's
> > side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No
> response.
> > He was
> > hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head and
> he
> > was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
> > Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his
> help. We knew
> > we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
> > bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
> > Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat
> belt.
> > We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get
> my first aid
> > kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I was able
> > to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
> > sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
> > Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and talked
> to
> > him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took
> him. I was
> > able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was there
> in
> > 20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30
> minutes, and
> > they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting
> chopper in 45
> > minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17. We
> > were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed with
> Sharky's
> > Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
> > Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard.
> We did not
> > know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not
> release the
> > vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the
> owner
> > being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the impound
> > yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
> > condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his
> > family. I am
> > available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
> > Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and
> stuff from
> > them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the
> side of his
> > head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When
> designing
> > your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
> > vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-566-9935
> > 602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka Motoman
> > www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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89519 From: Scott K <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:56am
Subject: Roll cages (Was: Re: Sharky's Accident)
This is a great topic. I think the value of a good cage shouldn't be
overlooked. I had one of the OR Fab "sport" cages in my TJ which is
very similar to the one made my Toys by Troy. Looking back I can't
help but wonder how effective it would have been in a higher speed
roll like Sharkys. I believe it would have been fine in an offroad
roll because that is usually at slower speeds. But I think I
overlooked the kind of situation that happened to Sharky when I
bought it. I'm sure that it was definitely an improvement over the
stock setup. Thats pretty obvious. But would it possibly save my
life if I needed it to? From what I've heard about Sharkys accident
it may very well be that his well built cage made the difference
between life and death.
I'm going to be building up another vehicle when I get to Montana. I
think the first thing on my list will be to build a real cage
designed to handle a highway speed rollover. I'm thinking that frame
tie ins are not an option next time. I'd love to hear those opinions
on the matter again (even those from my friend Joe W;).
So we have learned to be careful about CB equipment and where its
placed on a cage from this incident. What other design features are
often overlooked?
Scott K
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hooven" <whooven@c...> wrote:
> Brainstorming/rambling: Every time I hear of a Jeep accident I
think of roll
> cage issues. I've strengthened my Jeep "cage" some in the last
year but I
> know there is much more I could do. Would it make sense to have
a "roll
> cage" clinic one weekend where we get together for some
> designing/fabricating/welding/padding? Is there an opportunity
here for all
> of us to consider strengthening our "sport bars" or cages? Joe
started the
> kill switch clinic last year after all the publicity over vehicle
theft in
> the valley (I'm very happy with my switch - thanks Joe!). Now with
the
> tragic accident Sharky went through, maybe we could learn from it,
get
> together and help prevent future injury while the incident is
still fresh in
> our minds. Some proceeds could go to the Sharky fund even. Do
yourself some
> good and some good for the Sharky family at the same time. Would
it be
> better to work through some of the shops represented in our group
(Hunter/4
> Wheelers Supply/etc.)? Jeep Cage Day?
>
> Bill
>
> --------------
> Bill - Jeeps Only
> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> To: "Motoman Lives!" <bronco@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
> <Joe-CJ7@J...>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> > Speaking of headroom and padding... I'm not going back out until
I get
> some
> > padding on my rollcage... nothing like someone elses accident to
show you
> > the design flaws in your own vehicle.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:15 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Joe-CJ7@J...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and
survived with
> very
> > little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad
the hell
> out
> > of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
> >
> > Greg Banfield
> > aka Motoman
> > www.emotoman.com
> > Greg@e...
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Joe-CJ7@J...
> > Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
> > To: Motoman Lives!
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that.
Thanks for
> > the information.
> >
> > In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have
helped or
> > not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want to
make sure
> > I get the proper on.
> >
> > Joe Kearney
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> >
> >
> > This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was
with Sharky
> > up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM
to get out
> > of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He
turned
> > around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot
with a group
> > of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the
group
> kept
> > saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00
AM we
> > decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out
Crown King. We
> > got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of
the road to
> > make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash
and
> stared
> > at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still
laughing
> hard
> > SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were
hurting. Anyone
> > that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy.
I had been
> > running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
> > point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the
pavement.
> > We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the
left, which
> > sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire
went
> slightly
> > into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road
was right
> > there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and
pole vaulted
> > the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have
ever seen.
> > I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first
impact. As I
> > came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me
and on it's
> > side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No
response.
> > He was
> > hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his
head and
> he
> > was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not
conscious.
> > Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his
help. We knew
> > we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to
stop the
> > bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage
and hold
> > Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the
seat
> belt.
> > We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my
first aid
> > kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I
was able
> > to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
> > sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of
his head.
> > Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand
and talked
> to
> > him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took
him. I was
> > able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff
was there
> in
> > 20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30
minutes, and
> > they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting
chopper in 45
> > minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at
I-17. We
> > were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed
with
> Sharky's
> > Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
> > Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard.
We did not
> > know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not
release the
> > vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's
without the
> owner
> > being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the
impound
> > yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about
Sharky's
> > condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for
his
> > family. I am
> > available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for
them!
> > Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and
stuff from
> > them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the
side of his
> > head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When
designing
> > your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone
however the
> > vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-
566-9935
> > 602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka
Motoman
> > www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
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89520 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:59am
Subject: RE: Sharky's Accident
I am sure glad you both were there and able to provide help so quickly.
You both did a great job.
The AZVJC has some of the best people I have ever known. The actions
and generocity of this group never ceases to amaze me.
We are all praying for Sharky and his family.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:40 AM
To: 'Motoman Lives!'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Right on Greg and Keith! Most awesome job coming to Sharky's rescue and
aid.
Is there anything I or azvjc and do for you?
Our prayers and thought are with Sharky and loved ones.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with
Sharky
up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get
out
of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a
group
of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group
kept
saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King.
We
got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road
to
make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and
stared
at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing
hard
SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting.
Anyone
that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy.
I had been running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out
in
point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the
pavement.
We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left,
which
sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went
slightly
into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole
vaulted
the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever
seen.
I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on
it's
side.
I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response. He
was
hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head
and he
was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We
knew
we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat
belt.
We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first
aid
kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal.
I was able to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and
talked to
him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I
was
able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was
there in
20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes,
and
they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in
45
minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17.
We
were only about 2-3 miles from that point.
Keith and I stayed with Sharky's Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did
not
know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release
the
vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the
owner
being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the
impound
yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
condition.
We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his family. I am
available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff
from
them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of
his
head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When
designing
your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
vehicle lands..............................
My home phone
623-566-9935
602-743-9389 Cell
602-822-4466 Work
GOD BLESS!
Greg Banfield
aka Motoman
www.emotoman.com
Greg@e...
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89521 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:00am
Subject: Re: Sharky's accident
Amen to that.
My thoughts and prayers are with you Sharky!
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "azlorangers" <thumpaz@a...> wrote:
> If Sharky's recouperative abilities and will to live are anywhere
> close to his love of life and fervor for wheeling, then he will be
> back on the trails in no time.
>
> -Glenn McConnell
89522 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:00am
Subject: Roll cages (Was: Re: Sharky's Accident)
The seats and harnesses need to be part of the cage not the tub.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> This is a great topic. I think the value of a good cage shouldn't
be
> overlooked. I had one of the OR Fab "sport" cages in my TJ which
is
> very similar to the one made my Toys by Troy. Looking back I can't
> help but wonder how effective it would have been in a higher speed
> roll like Sharkys. I believe it would have been fine in an offroad
> roll because that is usually at slower speeds. But I think I
> overlooked the kind of situation that happened to Sharky when I
> bought it. I'm sure that it was definitely an improvement over the
> stock setup. Thats pretty obvious. But would it possibly save my
> life if I needed it to? From what I've heard about Sharkys
accident
> it may very well be that his well built cage made the difference
> between life and death.
>
> I'm going to be building up another vehicle when I get to Montana.
I
> think the first thing on my list will be to build a real cage
> designed to handle a highway speed rollover. I'm thinking that
frame
> tie ins are not an option next time. I'd love to hear those
opinions
> on the matter again (even those from my friend Joe W;).
>
> So we have learned to be careful about CB equipment and where its
> placed on a cage from this incident. What other design features
are
> often overlooked?
>
> Scott K
>
89523 From: Katrina and Jeff <katnjeff4@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:06am
Subject: Car wash update
I will try to find a good place to hold the wash in the east valley
if some one wants to do a wash in the west that would be good too!!!
Is Sun. a good day or would Sat. work better? Does John still have
the banner?
If anyone has any input you can call me at work till 5pm at
480-769-2814 or at home 480-369-2786
Thanks Katrina
89524 From: jaylalib <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:10am
Subject: JU Support for Sharky
Hi there,
A few AZVJC happened to post about Sharky on the board. Here is a
link to the thread..
Jason
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?
s=&threadid=426481&perpage=20&pagenumber=1
89525 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:18am
Subject: Re: Sharky's Accident
Also, don't forget overhead protection,between all the bars..
Look at any of the comp. vehicles.. The area over the drivers (and
passengers) head needs to be covered with a least a very, very, very heavy
wire mesh, if not a solid sheet of 6061 or 7075 or a sheet of steel.
The reason is, that during a roll, you don't want a rock protruding between
the overhead bars, wacking you in the head.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
To: "Motoman Lives!" <bronco@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
<Joe-CJ7@J...>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
> Speaking of headroom and padding... I'm not going back out until I get
some
> padding on my rollcage... nothing like someone elses accident to show you
> the design flaws in your own vehicle.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:15 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Joe-CJ7@J...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> Joe,
>
> That roll cage of Sharky's took one hell of an impact and survived with
very
> little deformation. Just make sure you leave head room or pad the hell
out
> of the cage, like he used too! And keep your lapbelt tight!
>
> Greg Banfield
> aka Motoman
> www.emotoman.com
> Greg@e...
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Joe-CJ7@J...
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 09:07:51 AM
> To: Motoman Lives!
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
> Greg,
>
> That was absolutly horrific. I am sorry you had to endure that. Thanks for
> the information.
>
> In your opinion: do think a plain old full roll cage would have helped or
> not? My wife has given me full go ahead to get one and I want to make sure
> I get the proper on.
>
> Joe Kearney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Motoman Lives! [mailto:bronco@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Sharky's Accident
>
>
> This is the first chance that I have had to get online. I was with Sharky
> up in Crown King Saturday night. Keith and I arrived about 11PM to get out
> of the hot weather. I ran into Sharky just outside of town. He turned
> around and met us back in town. We sat out in the parking lot with a group
> of guys and just laughed and laughed and laughed. One guy in the group
kept
> saying to Sharky that he should be a comedian. About 2:30-3:00 AM we
> decided to head back to Phoenix. It was a pleasant ride out Crown King. We
> got down just outside of Bumble Bee and stopped on the side of the road to
> make sure everyone was awake and alert. We laid down in the wash and
stared
> at the stars and was recapping the humor of the evening, still laughing
hard
> SO much we all complained our cheeks and stomachs were hurting. Anyone
> that has spent anytime around Sharky knows he's full of energy. I had been
> running point until we stopped. This time Sharky jumped out in
> point. We went through Bumble Bee and were about 1 mile from the pavement.
> We were winding through an S turn, Sharky drifted a bit on the left, which
> sent him drifting as he tried to go right, his front left tire went
slightly
> into the ditch, and the only fricken manhole on the whole road was right
> there. It hit the tie rod just inside the driver's wheel and pole vaulted
> the vehicle end over end. It was the most violent thing I have ever seen.
> I paced it off (54 Feet) the vehicle flew before the first impact. As I
> came around the corner, his vehicle has come to rest facing me and on it's
> side. I raced up to the truck calling Sharky, Sharky Sharky! No response.
> He was
> hanging upside down in his lapbelt. I reach down to support his head and
he
> was bleeding profusely and had labored breathing and was not conscious.
> Keith now came around the corner and I screamed out for his help. We knew
> we had to move him because of his injuries, there was no way to stop the
> bleeding when he was upside down. I had to climb into the cage and hold
> Sharky's jacket and Keith supported his head and we released the seat
belt.
> We slid him out just enough to get him level and I ran to get my first aid
> kit. Keith climbed the hill struggling to find a cell signal. I was able
> to get a pressure bandage on Sharky's head. Something had
> sheared his ear off and exposed the soft tissue on the side of his head.
> Praise the LORD the bleeding slowed. Keith held Sharky's hand and talked
to
> him non stop through the entire time until the paramedics took him. I was
> able to climb and find a cell site and called 911. The Sheriff was there
in
> 20 minutes, Black Canyon City Fire department was there in 30 minutes, and
> they had him on a back board and transported to the awaiting chopper in 45
> minutes. The closest they could get the chopper was Exit 248 at I-17. We
> were only about 2-3 miles from that point. Keith and I stayed with
Sharky's
> Jeep, waiting for the tow truck. C&S
> Towing, from Black Canyon City took the vehicle to their yard. We did not
> know if Stacey would be able to meet the driver. He could not release the
> vehicle to us, and could not leave the vehicle at Sharky's without the
owner
> being there. We instructed the driver to take the vehicle to the impound
> yard. It took till early evening till I heard any news about Sharky's
> condition. We are praying and praying for his recovery and for his
> family. I am
> available for anything, food, money, towing, chat ANYTHING for them!
> Careful about those spreader bars and hanging sharp radios and stuff from
> them. Near as we can tell the CB and mount is what skinned the side of his
> head. It was also difficult to get him out of the vehicle. When designing
> your cages be sure to leave adequate room to remove someone however the
> vehicle lands.............................. My home phone 623-566-9935
> 602-743-9389 Cell 602-822-4466 Work GOD BLESS! Greg Banfield aka Motoman
> www.emotoman.com Greg@e...
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89526 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:18am
Subject: Re: Car wash update (Banner???)
No I do not.... Once again it was taken from me awhiel back and never
returned... I belive it was a Bob somehting...... It was awhile ago...I think it
was for a freeway opening event.
Best regards
John k
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