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01-08-2004, 09:18 PM
89252-89276
89252 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 0:31pm
Subject: RE: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Joe,
I understand and I really do hope that you and I have discouraged the
unqualified individual from attempting a weld on skid...for all the right
reasons. :)
Since you don't have a bolt on skid, please allow me to update you on the
"off the shelf" bolt on oil pan skid. I am thinking they have greatly
improved since you last researched them.
I have one (pics and details on my web site) on my TJ. It bolts onto a
stock TJ and it fits my 10" lifted long arm, body lifted TJ too....no mods
needed on the skid....it simply bolts on. It covers the entire oil pan,
doesn't touch the frame or body, and offers every bit as much protection as
a same metal welded on skid. Mine is 3/16" thick (if I remember correctly)
and it fits flush to the pan....thus causing no more loss in ground
clearance than a 3/16" welded skid plate. I paid somehwere around $45~50
retail for the skid and it is available from any number of retail and web
based vendors.
Joe, my bolt on skid has none of the issues you stated it does. IMO, it is
safer and easier to install than any weld on skid (regardless of who is
welding it....you have no open flame under, around, or near the vehicle).
And I know how big of a guy you are on safety....having read dozens of your
arguments where you bring up personal and family safety as the most
important consideration. Like you said, why risk perforating the thin oil
pan metal and risk the chance of explosion and fire when it is not
necessary?
Thanks for discussion. I do believe that any invidual that was seeking an
oil pan skid might now know more than they ever bargained for. LOL
Stu
p.s. I am not attempting to take business away from John. He is a great
guy and from what I have seen, extremely good at his craft.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: Stu Olson; Joe West
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
>
>
> hehe...
>
> Well... since both you and I have taken the time to point out the
> potential
> problems... hopefully Joe Jeeper who reads this stuff (actually,
> I wonder if
> anybody actually reads the crap I write or if they just automatically send
> it to the trash file <grin>) will look at the things to avoid and
> make sure
> they do it correctly.
>
> The reason I recommended this mod is because, if done correctly, it is
> cheaper, better (ground clearance, easy to make work with just about any
> combination of lift and other mods which may impact an "off the
> shelf" bolt
> on skid) and gives business to a local shop (okay... so I like Hunter
> Offroad :) ).
>
> To be quite honest with you... I would not recommend that the
> average Wally
> Welder tack a skid on their oil pan... the chances of perforating the
> relatively thin sheet metal of the oil pan, igniting the oil
> fumes caused by
> the heat of the weld bead and turning someone's Jeep into a pile of rubble
> (and maybe their house and their neighbor's house and.... well;
> you get the
> point) are too high.
>
> For the stock guys who know that a bolt-on skid will work (i.e. no custom
> lift, no body lift, no custom skids, etc) your suggestion is the simplest.
>
> I think for most everyone else, paying the $50 bucks (or whatever
> it is) and
> having John at Hunter Offroad do the work is by far the best solution for
> oil pan puncture insurance.
>
> Thanks for your comments Stu... discussions like this ultimately make
> everyone aware of the possibilities... which is good no matter what.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> Stu wrote:
>
> thanks Joe
>
>
> I guess I am guilty of worrying that most folks will only listen
> to half of
> your advice....
>
> <snip>
>
>
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89253 From: <SteelPonyCowboy@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:26am
Subject: Re: trailers
I have a 2003 Patrior 16ft with beaver tail, dual axles, brakes on both
axles, breakaway kit with battery, frame and coupler rated at 10,000 lbs, axles
rated at 7500, used only once........let me know if you are interested, selling
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89254 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:16pm
Subject: Re: Running hot
For the technologically impaired, (i.e. CJ owners) that's Air Conditioning! For those who really tough it out when they wheel!
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Kearney
To: Michael Beckham ; Jeep club email
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:45 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Running hot
I still do not understand what all of you are talking about when you say AC?
What is that? I know about the AC as in electrical but in a Jeep?
:-)
Joe Kearney
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@h...]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:13 AM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc] Running hot
I had cooling problems with my TJ, went to a 3 core full brass radiator, and
had a machine shop make a spacer to replace the clutch fan, so my fan turns
constant with engine speed. It still runs 210, but does not climb above
that at idle (my original problem, with a/c on at idle, it would go up 240,
if you can trust the factory gages)
Also, my A/c seems to blow colder air.
Put in new pump, new thermostat (180).
Over all, I like how it runs cooler when crawling/going slow off road, even
with A/C.
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
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89255 From: Ken Henson <khenson@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:39pm
Subject: Jeep 101
Disclaimer: I do not work for York Jeep. I do not profit in any way
by passing this information
on to the group. Thought that some folks might like to know about this.
Ken Henson
Prescott
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89256 From: Ken Duncan <dunk95@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 3:53pm
Subject: Friday night?
Does anyone want to run something in FJ Friday night? It will be
the first and last chance I gat for a while.
Ken D.
89257 From: Scott K <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 3:59pm
Subject: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Just get the "one hit wonder", glue it on with RTV skid from Turbo
City. It only fell off once in four years. I picked it up off the
ground, took it home, and reglued it. It would take quite a few hits
before falling off.
Okay so maybe not the best solution but just wanted to poke fun at
the two of you for your deeply anal-lytical posts.
LOL
Scott K
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I understand and I really do hope that you and I have discouraged
the
> unqualified individual from attempting a weld on skid...for all
the right
> reasons. :)
>
> Since you don't have a bolt on skid, please allow me to update you
on the
> "off the shelf" bolt on oil pan skid. I am thinking they have
greatly
> improved since you last researched them.
>
> I have one (pics and details on my web site) on my TJ. It bolts
onto a
> stock TJ and it fits my 10" lifted long arm, body lifted TJ
too....no mods
> needed on the skid....it simply bolts on. It covers the entire
oil pan,
> doesn't touch the frame or body, and offers every bit as much
protection as
> a same metal welded on skid. Mine is 3/16" thick (if I remember
correctly)
> and it fits flush to the pan....thus causing no more loss in ground
> clearance than a 3/16" welded skid plate. I paid somehwere around
$45~50
> retail for the skid and it is available from any number of retail
and web
> based vendors.
>
> Joe, my bolt on skid has none of the issues you stated it does.
IMO, it is
> safer and easier to install than any weld on skid (regardless of
who is
> welding it....you have no open flame under, around, or near the
vehicle).
> And I know how big of a guy you are on safety....having read
dozens of your
> arguments where you bring up personal and family safety as the most
> important consideration. Like you said, why risk perforating the
thin oil
> pan metal and risk the chance of explosion and fire when it is not
> necessary?
>
> Thanks for discussion. I do believe that any invidual that was
seeking an
> oil pan skid might now know more than they ever bargained for. LOL
>
> Stu
>
> p.s. I am not attempting to take business away from John. He is
a great
> guy and from what I have seen, extremely good at his craft.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:09 AM
> > To: Stu Olson; Joe West
> > Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
> >
> >
> > hehe...
> >
> > Well... since both you and I have taken the time to point out the
> > potential
> > problems... hopefully Joe Jeeper who reads this stuff (actually,
> > I wonder if
> > anybody actually reads the crap I write or if they just
automatically send
> > it to the trash file <grin>) will look at the things to avoid and
> > make sure
> > they do it correctly.
> >
> > The reason I recommended this mod is because, if done correctly,
it is
> > cheaper, better (ground clearance, easy to make work with just
about any
> > combination of lift and other mods which may impact an "off the
> > shelf" bolt
> > on skid) and gives business to a local shop (okay... so I like
Hunter
> > Offroad :) ).
> >
> > To be quite honest with you... I would not recommend that the
> > average Wally
> > Welder tack a skid on their oil pan... the chances of
perforating the
> > relatively thin sheet metal of the oil pan, igniting the oil
> > fumes caused by
> > the heat of the weld bead and turning someone's Jeep into a pile
of rubble
> > (and maybe their house and their neighbor's house and.... well;
> > you get the
> > point) are too high.
> >
> > For the stock guys who know that a bolt-on skid will work (i.e.
no custom
> > lift, no body lift, no custom skids, etc) your suggestion is the
simplest.
> >
> > I think for most everyone else, paying the $50 bucks (or whatever
> > it is) and
> > having John at Hunter Offroad do the work is by far the best
solution for
> > oil pan puncture insurance.
> >
> > Thanks for your comments Stu... discussions like this ultimately
make
> > everyone aware of the possibilities... which is good no matter
what.
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu wrote:
> >
> > thanks Joe
> >
> >
> > I guess I am guilty of worrying that most folks will only listen
> > to half of
> > your advice....
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
89258 From: Annie <annie@i...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:08pm
Subject:
John,
Do you still have that 81 Firebird for sale?
Annie
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89259 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:22pm
Subject: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
RANT MODE ON
Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was this
much trouble.
I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all about
aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear diff.
No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop it
up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set to
the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver BTW).
Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
could swear this thing is possessed.
RANT MODE OFF
89260 From: Bill Hooven <whooven@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:37pm
Subject: Re: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put into and
it and it never did end up working well.
You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you mentioned
CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you owned.
Bill
--------------
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http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <>>; <>>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
> RANT MODE ON
>
> Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was this
> much trouble.
>
> I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all about
> aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear diff.
> No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop it
> up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set to
> the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
> that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
> Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
> Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
> stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>
> I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver BTW).
> Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
> could swear this thing is possessed.
>
> RANT MODE OFF
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
89261 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:46pm
Subject: RE: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Anyone have a welder? I gotta seal a leak in my oil pan.
:)
Stu Olson <solson8@q...> wrote:
Joe,
I understand and I really do hope that you and I have discouraged the
unqualified individual from attempting a weld on skid...for all the right
reasons. :)
Since you don't have a bolt on skid, please allow me to update you on the
"off the shelf" bolt on oil pan skid. I am thinking they have greatly
improved since you last researched them.
I have one (pics and details on my web site) on my TJ. It bolts onto a
stock TJ and it fits my 10" lifted long arm, body lifted TJ too....no mods
needed on the skid....it simply bolts on. It covers the entire oil pan,
doesn't touch the frame or body, and offers every bit as much protection as
a same metal welded on skid. Mine is 3/16" thick (if I remember correctly)
and it fits flush to the pan....thus causing no more loss in ground
clearance than a 3/16" welded skid plate. I paid somehwere around $45~50
retail for the skid and it is available from any number of retail and web
based vendors.
Joe, my bolt on skid has none of the issues you stated it does. IMO, it is
safer and easier to install than any weld on skid (regardless of who is
welding it....you have no open flame under, around, or near the vehicle).
And I know how big of a guy you are on safety....having read dozens of your
arguments where you bring up personal and family safety as the most
important consideration. Like you said, why risk perforating the thin oil
pan metal and risk the chance of explosion and fire when it is not
necessary?
Thanks for discussion. I do believe that any invidual that was seeking an
oil pan skid might now know more than they ever bargained for. LOL
Stu
p.s. I am not attempting to take business away from John. He is a great
guy and from what I have seen, extremely good at his craft.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: Stu Olson; Joe West
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
>
>
> hehe...
>
> Well... since both you and I have taken the time to point out the
> potential
> problems... hopefully Joe Jeeper who reads this stuff (actually,
> I wonder if
> anybody actually reads the crap I write or if they just automatically send
> it to the trash file ) will look at the things to avoid and
> make sure
> they do it correctly.
>
> The reason I recommended this mod is because, if done correctly, it is
> cheaper, better (ground clearance, easy to make work with just about any
> combination of lift and other mods which may impact an "off the
> shelf" bolt
> on skid) and gives business to a local shop (okay... so I like Hunter
> Offroad :) ).
>
> To be quite honest with you... I would not recommend that the
> average Wally
> Welder tack a skid on their oil pan... the chances of perforating the
> relatively thin sheet metal of the oil pan, igniting the oil
> fumes caused by
> the heat of the weld bead and turning someone's Jeep into a pile of rubble
> (and maybe their house and their neighbor's house and.... well;
> you get the
> point) are too high.
>
> For the stock guys who know that a bolt-on skid will work (i.e. no custom
> lift, no body lift, no custom skids, etc) your suggestion is the simplest.
>
> I think for most everyone else, paying the $50 bucks (or whatever
> it is) and
> having John at Hunter Offroad do the work is by far the best solution for
> oil pan puncture insurance.
>
> Thanks for your comments Stu... discussions like this ultimately make
> everyone aware of the possibilities... which is good no matter what.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> Stu wrote:
>
> thanks Joe
>
>
> I guess I am guilty of worrying that most folks will only listen
> to half of
> your advice....
>
>
>
>
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89262 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:05pm
Subject: Re: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
Thanx, but I just peddled my well fed behind down to Checker and got an
EZ Out. They also had the correct diff fluid.
And to think I bought the Rubicon so I would have to work on my
rig...........
Well, EZ Outs are always a good time, let' go see how much fun this will be.
Bill Hooven wrote:
>I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put into and
>it and it never did end up working well.
>
>You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
>
>I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you mentioned
>CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you owned.
>
>Bill
>
>--------------
>Bill - Jeeps Only
>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <>>; <>>
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
>
>
>
>
>>RANT MODE ON
>>
>>Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was this
>>much trouble.
>>
>>I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all about
>>aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear diff.
>> No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop it
>>up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set to
>>the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
>>that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
>> Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
>>Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
>>stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>>
>>I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver BTW).
>> Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
>>could swear this thing is possessed.
>>
>>RANT MODE OFF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
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89263 From: Chris Kilcullen <whoozey1953@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:15pm
Subject: Re: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
I always "chase" the threads on the housing with a bottoming tap before installing the diff cover. It cleans out the leftover silicone, grunt, dead mice, etc. The bolts thread in much nicer, too.
Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...> wrote:Thanx, but I just peddled my well fed behind down to Checker and got an
EZ Out. They also had the correct diff fluid.
And to think I bought the Rubicon so I would have to work on my
rig...........
Well, EZ Outs are always a good time, let' go see how much fun this will be.
Bill Hooven wrote:
>I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put into and
>it and it never did end up working well.
>
>You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
>
>I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you mentioned
>CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you owned.
>
>Bill
>
>--------------
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>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kent Warner"
>To: ; <>>; <>>
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
>
>
>
>
>>RANT MODE ON
>>
>>Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was this
>>much trouble.
>>
>>I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all about
>>aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear diff.
>> No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop it
>>up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set to
>>the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
>>that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
>> Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
>>Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
>>stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>>
>>I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver BTW).
>> Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
>>could swear this thing is possessed.
>>
>>RANT MODE OFF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
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89264 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:36pm
Subject: Re: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
Note to self:
Whining and temper tantrums (even public ones) are a poor substitute for
shutting up and solving mechanical problems.
Rest of the bolt came right out. No idea why it broke in the first
place, maybe that hole isnt' lined up perfectly. That would explain the
leak. Still, Grade 8 stuff shouldn't break that easily. Perhaps a trip
to CopperState.
Kent Warner wrote:
>Thanx, but I just peddled my well fed behind down to Checker and got an
>EZ Out. They also had the correct diff fluid.
>
>And to think I bought the Rubicon so I would have to work on my
>rig...........
>
>Well, EZ Outs are always a good time, let' go see how much fun this will be.
>
>
>Bill Hooven wrote:
>
>
>
>>I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put into and
>>it and it never did end up working well.
>>
>>You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
>>
>>I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you mentioned
>>CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you owned.
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>--------------
>>Bill - Jeeps Only
>>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>>A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
>>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <>>; <>>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
>>Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
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>>>Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was this
>>>much trouble.
>>>
>>>I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all about
>>>aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear diff.
>>>No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop it
>>>up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set to
>>>the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
>>>that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
>>>Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
>>>Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
>>>stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>>>
>>>I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver BTW).
>>>Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
>>>could swear this thing is possessed.
>>>
>>>RANT MODE OFF
>>>
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89265 From: Brad <a292@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:39pm
Subject: Re: Help!! Need cheaper price to paint doors
I just talked to the guy who is painting my hood. He said he
would paint them both for $500. Wow, I thought it would be
less... Anyway let me know if you're interested and I'll give you
his number.
Brad
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Darwin Martin
<darwinkmartin@y...> wrote:
> I got one reply for a body shop to paint my doors and
> haven't been able to locate him.
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> them. I am buying the doors for around 500.00.
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> Does anyone have any ideas? Or a shop?
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89266 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:55pm
Subject: RE: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
Kent, glad to hear you were able to extract the remaining piece of
hardware. I must admit that I still can't figure out how a Grade 8 bolt
snapped with a 30 ft. lb. setting on the torque wrench. That is and
might very well remain an unsolved mystery! (you didn't weld it, did
you?) LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:36 PM
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
Note to self:
Whining and temper tantrums (even public ones) are a poor substitute for
shutting up and solving mechanical problems.
Rest of the bolt came right out. No idea why it broke in the first
place, maybe that hole isnt' lined up perfectly. That would explain the
leak. Still, Grade 8 stuff shouldn't break that easily. Perhaps a trip
to CopperState.
Kent Warner wrote:
>Thanx, but I just peddled my well fed behind down to Checker and got an
>EZ Out. They also had the correct diff fluid.
>
>And to think I bought the Rubicon so I would have to work on my
>rig...........
>
>Well, EZ Outs are always a good time, let' go see how much fun this
will be.
>
>
>Bill Hooven wrote:
>
>
>
>>I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put
into and
>>it and it never did end up working well.
>>
>>You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
>>
>>I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you
mentioned
>>CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you
owned.
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>--------------
>>Bill - Jeeps Only
>>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>>A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
>>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <>>; <>>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
>>Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>RANT MODE ON
>>>
>>>Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was
this
>>>much trouble.
>>>
>>>I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all
about
>>>aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear
diff.
>>>No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop
it
>>>up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set
to
>>>the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
>>>that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
>>>Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
>>>Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
>>>stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>>>
>>>I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver
BTW).
>>>Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
>>>could swear this thing is possessed.
>>>
>>>RANT MODE OFF
>>>
>>>
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89267 From: Matt OBrien <makaioo@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:20pm
Subject: Coming down to home hunt - any night runs planned?
The wife, kids and I are flying in next Thursday for a whirlwind 4
day (Fri-Mon) home search. I thought I'd try to sneak in a run (and
meet some of you) if there happen to be any night runs scheduled
during my time in town (and someone has an available seat). The home
search takes precedence, so this may be wishful thinking.
If any runs are planned and someone wants company, let me know and
we'll see if we can work out the logistics without causing me to
miss scheduled appointments and incur the wrath of the wife.
Matt
K7MTO
89268 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:39pm
Subject: Re: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
No, didn't weld it (but I could use a little bracket tacked onto the gas
tank......), but I am wondering if this is a counterfeit Grade 8. It
has the "RH" cast into the cap, which I think is Taiwan stuff, and I had
heard somewhere that there was cheap stuff with that casting into the
head. These bolts don't feel right when they take torque. Too
stretchy. And the split ring washers smooshed out on a couple of bolts.
I am not liking the bolt quality.
So....
No diff cover on the rear diff these Saturday. Anyone want to take bets
on what I will break as I go up the hill?
Stu Olson wrote:
>Kent, glad to hear you were able to extract the remaining piece of
>hardware. I must admit that I still can't figure out how a Grade 8 bolt
>snapped with a 30 ft. lb. setting on the torque wrench. That is and
>might very well remain an unsolved mystery! (you didn't weld it, did
>you?) LOL
>
>Stu
>
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:36 PM
>Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
>
>Note to self:
>
>Whining and temper tantrums (even public ones) are a poor substitute for
>
>shutting up and solving mechanical problems.
>
>Rest of the bolt came right out. No idea why it broke in the first
>place, maybe that hole isnt' lined up perfectly. That would explain the
>
>leak. Still, Grade 8 stuff shouldn't break that easily. Perhaps a trip
>
>to CopperState.
>
>Kent Warner wrote:
>
>
>
>>Thanx, but I just peddled my well fed behind down to Checker and got an
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>EZ Out. They also had the correct diff fluid.
>>
>>And to think I bought the Rubicon so I would have to work on my
>>rig...........
>>
>>Well, EZ Outs are always a good time, let' go see how much fun this
>>
>>
>will be.
>
>
>>Bill Hooven wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put
>>>
>>>
>into and
>
>
>>>it and it never did end up working well.
>>>
>>>You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
>>>
>>>I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you
>>>
>>>
>mentioned
>
>
>>>CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you
>>>
>>>
>owned.
>
>
>>>Bill
>>>
>>>--------------
>>>Bill - Jeeps Only
>>>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>>>A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
>>>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <>>; <>>
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
>>>Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>RANT MODE ON
>>>>
>>>>Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was
>>>>
>>>>
>this
>
>
>>>>much trouble.
>>>>
>>>>I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all
>>>>
>>>>
>about
>
>
>>>>aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear
>>>>
>>>>
>diff.
>
>
>>>>No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop
>>>>
>>>>
>it
>
>
>>>>up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set
>>>>
>>>>
>to
>
>
>>>>the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
>>>>that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
>>>>Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
>>>>Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
>>>>stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>>>>
>>>>I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver
>>>>
>>>>
>BTW).
>
>
>>>>Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
>>>>could swear this thing is possessed.
>>>>
>>>>RANT MODE OFF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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89269 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: Good alignment shop
After my lift I went to S and S Tire on 13323 West Bell
They did good work.
Also I took my 97 Ford F150 there and they found everyone in spec and then
only charged me for a alignment check.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Beckham" <jeepnut7261@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Good alignment shop
> When I say I liked my service at the Big O on Bell (west Valley) remember,
I had already adjusted my "custom" Teraflex arms to get my caster angle
back, per Stu's suggestion. (you smart!).
> ALWAYS learn as much as you can before allowing some stranger to handle
the private parts of your beloved Jeep!
> When they came back and told me they couldn't adjust whatever, cause there
were no cam bolts (not since 99 Tj's) I already knew I was ok, just do the
toe in please.
> Education and buyer beware pays!
> 2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
> other custom stuff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stu Olson
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:42 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Good alignment shop
>
>
> For what it is worth, I tried the Network Alignment at 67th Ave. and
> Bethany.
>
> I WAS TOTALLY NOT IMPRESSED!!!!!!!
>
> They wanted over $100 for a front end alignment because they would have
to
> adjust my "custom" suspension (which at that time was some RE short
arms).
> This was back when I was a newbie so I paid them the money and found
that
> they screwed up the front pinion angle because they didn't have a clue
about
> caster vs. pinion for a lifted Jeep.
>
> I drove it home, adjusted the front control arms myself, and was able to
> obtain a ride where the front u-joint wasn't rattling my teeth out.
Since
> then, I've not paid anyone to align my Jeep....a few hours with the FSM
and
> some trial and error in my garage (such as putting on the Currie
steering)
> and I can now do my own caster and toe.
>
> Maybe I just had an idiot for alignment tech at that shop, but I've
never
> spent any more time or money with them. Given the savvy alignment folks
> that are in AZVJC that do it for a living, I couldn't see going to a
generic
> alignment shop to have your modified Jeep aligned.
>
> Stu
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brandon Reid [mailto:mikdiamon@c...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:46 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Good alignment shop
> >
> >
> > Network Alignment is great, check the phonebook theres several
> > locations, we get a club discount, if i rember right its 49 bux, and
> > it has a 6 month warranty (i took mine back after some steering work
> > and they aligned it again for free. The one I go to is on 67th ave
> > and bethany.
> >
> > TaD
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <khaw@n...> wrote:
> > > Anyone recommend a good alignment shop? I've had my 87XJ into Big
> > O
> > > down here a couple times and it's still pulling to the right.
> > > Thanks
> > > Keith
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89270 From: Ramon E. Rubio <rrubio32@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:07pm
Subject: Locker install question
Today my friend and I tried,yes tried,to install a lockright locker on his
88XJ.I have done this on my WJ and another WJ.The problem we ran into was
that the sheer pin than holds the pin in place would not come out.What
happend is that the pin is flush and we could not take it out.We tried
using an easy out,drilling the badboy out to no avail.On my WJ all i had to
do was use a 1/4 12 point wrench to get it out but on his XJ it has that
damn sheer pin in there.Are they suppose to be flush like that or maybe
someone put one in there that was to small and said the hell with it and let
someone else deal with it.So how would we go about removing it.We even
called a dealership tech and asked them and they looked it up and said that
it must come out,no ****.At first i thought it was a a allen wrench but
nope.So any good ideas out there.
Ramon
89271 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:09pm
Subject: RE: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
Kent....one could certainly get some bad (read cheap) hardware. For
what it is worth, I've always gotten my Grade 8 hardware at the local
ACE hardware. I can't vouch for the where it was made, but I've not had
any go south on me yet. My last suspension was held together with nuts
and bolts from ACE. :)
Here's one for you...."ACE is hands down, the best hardware store in
town" LOL
Stu
p.s. Don't chuckle to much about wanting a tab on your gas tank. I got
an e-mail the other day from a Jeeper who had performed one of the
modifications that is written up on my web site. He successfully melted
his gas tank while doing so. (he asked me to put an extra warning on
the web site about this. I already had one warning in the write-up that
addressed the difficulty of the modification.) ;>)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 7:39 PM
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
No, didn't weld it (but I could use a little bracket tacked onto the gas
tank......), but I am wondering if this is a counterfeit Grade 8. It
has the "RH" cast into the cap, which I think is Taiwan stuff, and I had
heard somewhere that there was cheap stuff with that casting into the
head. These bolts don't feel right when they take torque. Too
stretchy. And the split ring washers smooshed out on a couple of bolts.
I am not liking the bolt quality.
So....
No diff cover on the rear diff these Saturday. Anyone want to take bets
on what I will break as I go up the hill?
Stu Olson wrote:
>Kent, glad to hear you were able to extract the remaining piece of
>hardware. I must admit that I still can't figure out how a Grade 8
bolt
>snapped with a 30 ft. lb. setting on the torque wrench. That is and
>might very well remain an unsolved mystery! (you didn't weld it, did
>you?) LOL
>
>Stu
>
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:36 PM
>Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps -
NEVERMIND
>
>Note to self:
>
>Whining and temper tantrums (even public ones) are a poor substitute
for
>
>shutting up and solving mechanical problems.
>
>Rest of the bolt came right out. No idea why it broke in the first
>place, maybe that hole isnt' lined up perfectly. That would explain
the
>
>leak. Still, Grade 8 stuff shouldn't break that easily. Perhaps a
trip
>
>to CopperState.
>
>Kent Warner wrote:
>
>
>
>>Thanx, but I just peddled my well fed behind down to Checker and got
an
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>EZ Out. They also had the correct diff fluid.
>>
>>And to think I bought the Rubicon so I would have to work on my
>>rig...........
>>
>>Well, EZ Outs are always a good time, let' go see how much fun this
>>
>>
>will be.
>
>
>>Bill Hooven wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put
>>>
>>>
>into and
>
>
>>>it and it never did end up working well.
>>>
>>>You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
>>>
>>>I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you
>>>
>>>
>mentioned
>
>
>>>CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you
>>>
>>>
>owned.
>
>
>>>Bill
>>>
>>>--------------
>>>Bill - Jeeps Only
>>>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>>>A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
>>>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <>>; <>>
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
>>>Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>RANT MODE ON
>>>>
>>>>Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was
>>>>
>>>>
>this
>
>
>>>>much trouble.
>>>>
>>>>I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all
>>>>
>>>>
>about
>
>
>>>>aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear
>>>>
>>>>
>diff.
>
>
>>>>No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop
>>>>
>>>>
>it
>
>
>>>>up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set
>>>>
>>>>
>to
>
>
>>>>the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think
"hey
>>>>that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now"
SNAP.
>>>>Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt
with
>>>>Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
>>>>stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>>>>
>>>>I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver
>>>>
>>>>
>BTW).
>
>
>>>>Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
>>>>could swear this thing is possessed.
>>>>
>>>>RANT MODE OFF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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89272 From: flatfenderman2000 <cnd4ever@g...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:16pm
Subject: Re: trailers
Go to www.dvtrailers.com They are just off of Deer Valley road and I-
17. They have the best prices it the valley. I recently purchaced a
16 foot dual axle trailer with a steel deck, dove tail, ramps and
breaks for $1899. They have different style car haulers starting at
around $1500.
Chris L.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "purple" <purp8@c...> wrote:
> Equipment Trader ( auto trader publications ) is a good place to
look . New
> and used featured here . There is a trailer sales place on 19 th
ave north
> of Mountain View that sells new ones for around $1400 .
> Hope this helps ,
> Purple .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jpcralweram [mailto:jpcrawleram@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:50 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] trailers
>
>
> Im looking for a trailer for my jeep. Proabably a 16ft, duel axle
> with atleast one set of brakes.
>
> does anyone know of a good "cheap" place to pick one up. Any place
in
> the valley that sells used ones.
>
> thanks
>
> Andrew
> 93yj
>
> jpcrawleram@a...
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>
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>
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89273 From: Reid Scholes <azturf@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:22pm
Subject: Re: Locker install question
Ramon,
Use an appropriately sized punch and gently tap it out with a hammer. You
might have to pull the carrier... It makes it much easier. I used this
method with my '89 YJ D35.
Reid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ramon E. Rubio" <rrubio32@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Locker install question
> Today my friend and I tried,yes tried,to install a lockright locker on
his
> 88XJ.I have done this on my WJ and another WJ.The problem we ran into was
> that the sheer pin than holds the pin in place would not come out.What
> happend is that the pin is flush and we could not take it out.We tried
> using an easy out,drilling the badboy out to no avail.On my WJ all i had
to
> do was use a 1/4 12 point wrench to get it out but on his XJ it has that
> damn sheer pin in there.Are they suppose to be flush like that or maybe
> someone put one in there that was to small and said the hell with it and
let
> someone else deal with it.So how would we go about removing it.We even
> called a dealership tech and asked them and they looked it up and said
that
> it must come out,no ****.At first i thought it was a a allen wrench but
> nope.So any good ideas out there.
> Ramon
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
89274 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:45pm
Subject: Re: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
Kent, probably my fault your bolt broke off.... I do belive one of the last
things I said to you before you left..... If i recall correctly...
" Ah, changeing your diff gasket, thats easy job. Its a good fun one to
do, nothing to worry about....."
I am truly sorry Kent.
Best Regards..
john k
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89275 From: sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:55pm
Subject: New Gadget
I know there is always talk about misting systems for the
Jeeps...well tonight I installed one in my TJ to test out and show
off at CK this week end for "MobileMist.com". After a quick install I
took the Jeep for a ride and so far Im VERY impressed with it, I was
not expecting to notice it much...wrong. We will see how it does at
CK this weekend and for anyone wanting to check it out look for my
rig Sat. This is as close as Ill get to having my A/C back :)
Sharky
89276 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:05pm
Subject: Fw: Gas situation
THANKS RICK BEER
----- Original Message -----
From: RICK BEER
To: ARIZONABACKCOUNTRY ; arizonaXJ ; AZVJC AZVJC
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Gas situation
Need to stop & get gas tonight on my way home from work
drove by 2 different Quick Trips both were out also Costco was dry
Rut Row Shaggy wutz up with that
THANKS RICK BEER
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89252 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 0:31pm
Subject: RE: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Joe,
I understand and I really do hope that you and I have discouraged the
unqualified individual from attempting a weld on skid...for all the right
reasons. :)
Since you don't have a bolt on skid, please allow me to update you on the
"off the shelf" bolt on oil pan skid. I am thinking they have greatly
improved since you last researched them.
I have one (pics and details on my web site) on my TJ. It bolts onto a
stock TJ and it fits my 10" lifted long arm, body lifted TJ too....no mods
needed on the skid....it simply bolts on. It covers the entire oil pan,
doesn't touch the frame or body, and offers every bit as much protection as
a same metal welded on skid. Mine is 3/16" thick (if I remember correctly)
and it fits flush to the pan....thus causing no more loss in ground
clearance than a 3/16" welded skid plate. I paid somehwere around $45~50
retail for the skid and it is available from any number of retail and web
based vendors.
Joe, my bolt on skid has none of the issues you stated it does. IMO, it is
safer and easier to install than any weld on skid (regardless of who is
welding it....you have no open flame under, around, or near the vehicle).
And I know how big of a guy you are on safety....having read dozens of your
arguments where you bring up personal and family safety as the most
important consideration. Like you said, why risk perforating the thin oil
pan metal and risk the chance of explosion and fire when it is not
necessary?
Thanks for discussion. I do believe that any invidual that was seeking an
oil pan skid might now know more than they ever bargained for. LOL
Stu
p.s. I am not attempting to take business away from John. He is a great
guy and from what I have seen, extremely good at his craft.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: Stu Olson; Joe West
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
>
>
> hehe...
>
> Well... since both you and I have taken the time to point out the
> potential
> problems... hopefully Joe Jeeper who reads this stuff (actually,
> I wonder if
> anybody actually reads the crap I write or if they just automatically send
> it to the trash file <grin>) will look at the things to avoid and
> make sure
> they do it correctly.
>
> The reason I recommended this mod is because, if done correctly, it is
> cheaper, better (ground clearance, easy to make work with just about any
> combination of lift and other mods which may impact an "off the
> shelf" bolt
> on skid) and gives business to a local shop (okay... so I like Hunter
> Offroad :) ).
>
> To be quite honest with you... I would not recommend that the
> average Wally
> Welder tack a skid on their oil pan... the chances of perforating the
> relatively thin sheet metal of the oil pan, igniting the oil
> fumes caused by
> the heat of the weld bead and turning someone's Jeep into a pile of rubble
> (and maybe their house and their neighbor's house and.... well;
> you get the
> point) are too high.
>
> For the stock guys who know that a bolt-on skid will work (i.e. no custom
> lift, no body lift, no custom skids, etc) your suggestion is the simplest.
>
> I think for most everyone else, paying the $50 bucks (or whatever
> it is) and
> having John at Hunter Offroad do the work is by far the best solution for
> oil pan puncture insurance.
>
> Thanks for your comments Stu... discussions like this ultimately make
> everyone aware of the possibilities... which is good no matter what.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> Stu wrote:
>
> thanks Joe
>
>
> I guess I am guilty of worrying that most folks will only listen
> to half of
> your advice....
>
> <snip>
>
>
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89253 From: <SteelPonyCowboy@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:26am
Subject: Re: trailers
I have a 2003 Patrior 16ft with beaver tail, dual axles, brakes on both
axles, breakaway kit with battery, frame and coupler rated at 10,000 lbs, axles
rated at 7500, used only once........let me know if you are interested, selling
for $600 less than I paid for it last month.
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89254 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:16pm
Subject: Re: Running hot
For the technologically impaired, (i.e. CJ owners) that's Air Conditioning! For those who really tough it out when they wheel!
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Kearney
To: Michael Beckham ; Jeep club email
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:45 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Running hot
I still do not understand what all of you are talking about when you say AC?
What is that? I know about the AC as in electrical but in a Jeep?
:-)
Joe Kearney
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@h...]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:13 AM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc] Running hot
I had cooling problems with my TJ, went to a 3 core full brass radiator, and
had a machine shop make a spacer to replace the clutch fan, so my fan turns
constant with engine speed. It still runs 210, but does not climb above
that at idle (my original problem, with a/c on at idle, it would go up 240,
if you can trust the factory gages)
Also, my A/c seems to blow colder air.
Put in new pump, new thermostat (180).
Over all, I like how it runs cooler when crawling/going slow off road, even
with A/C.
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
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89255 From: Ken Henson <khenson@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:39pm
Subject: Jeep 101
Disclaimer: I do not work for York Jeep. I do not profit in any way
by passing this information
on to the group. Thought that some folks might like to know about this.
Ken Henson
Prescott
================================================== ======================
=====
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its a jeep thing
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Jeep Off-Road Adventure Courses
Enter Your Jeep in the Coolest / Badest Jeep Contest
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Accessorize you jeep -- Using the Low gears -- History of Jeep
Huge Selection of Jeep Accessories and Parts
Kids Mini Jeep Power Wheels Course
Food and Beverages (proceeds to benefit the YMCA youth programs)
Enter to Win Great Prizes
Special 3-day event pricing on all Jeep Vehicles
Climbing wall & many outdoor activities.
York Motors 800-894-4970
89256 From: Ken Duncan <dunk95@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 3:53pm
Subject: Friday night?
Does anyone want to run something in FJ Friday night? It will be
the first and last chance I gat for a while.
Ken D.
89257 From: Scott K <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 3:59pm
Subject: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Just get the "one hit wonder", glue it on with RTV skid from Turbo
City. It only fell off once in four years. I picked it up off the
ground, took it home, and reglued it. It would take quite a few hits
before falling off.
Okay so maybe not the best solution but just wanted to poke fun at
the two of you for your deeply anal-lytical posts.
LOL
Scott K
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I understand and I really do hope that you and I have discouraged
the
> unqualified individual from attempting a weld on skid...for all
the right
> reasons. :)
>
> Since you don't have a bolt on skid, please allow me to update you
on the
> "off the shelf" bolt on oil pan skid. I am thinking they have
greatly
> improved since you last researched them.
>
> I have one (pics and details on my web site) on my TJ. It bolts
onto a
> stock TJ and it fits my 10" lifted long arm, body lifted TJ
too....no mods
> needed on the skid....it simply bolts on. It covers the entire
oil pan,
> doesn't touch the frame or body, and offers every bit as much
protection as
> a same metal welded on skid. Mine is 3/16" thick (if I remember
correctly)
> and it fits flush to the pan....thus causing no more loss in ground
> clearance than a 3/16" welded skid plate. I paid somehwere around
$45~50
> retail for the skid and it is available from any number of retail
and web
> based vendors.
>
> Joe, my bolt on skid has none of the issues you stated it does.
IMO, it is
> safer and easier to install than any weld on skid (regardless of
who is
> welding it....you have no open flame under, around, or near the
vehicle).
> And I know how big of a guy you are on safety....having read
dozens of your
> arguments where you bring up personal and family safety as the most
> important consideration. Like you said, why risk perforating the
thin oil
> pan metal and risk the chance of explosion and fire when it is not
> necessary?
>
> Thanks for discussion. I do believe that any invidual that was
seeking an
> oil pan skid might now know more than they ever bargained for. LOL
>
> Stu
>
> p.s. I am not attempting to take business away from John. He is
a great
> guy and from what I have seen, extremely good at his craft.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:09 AM
> > To: Stu Olson; Joe West
> > Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
> >
> >
> > hehe...
> >
> > Well... since both you and I have taken the time to point out the
> > potential
> > problems... hopefully Joe Jeeper who reads this stuff (actually,
> > I wonder if
> > anybody actually reads the crap I write or if they just
automatically send
> > it to the trash file <grin>) will look at the things to avoid and
> > make sure
> > they do it correctly.
> >
> > The reason I recommended this mod is because, if done correctly,
it is
> > cheaper, better (ground clearance, easy to make work with just
about any
> > combination of lift and other mods which may impact an "off the
> > shelf" bolt
> > on skid) and gives business to a local shop (okay... so I like
Hunter
> > Offroad :) ).
> >
> > To be quite honest with you... I would not recommend that the
> > average Wally
> > Welder tack a skid on their oil pan... the chances of
perforating the
> > relatively thin sheet metal of the oil pan, igniting the oil
> > fumes caused by
> > the heat of the weld bead and turning someone's Jeep into a pile
of rubble
> > (and maybe their house and their neighbor's house and.... well;
> > you get the
> > point) are too high.
> >
> > For the stock guys who know that a bolt-on skid will work (i.e.
no custom
> > lift, no body lift, no custom skids, etc) your suggestion is the
simplest.
> >
> > I think for most everyone else, paying the $50 bucks (or whatever
> > it is) and
> > having John at Hunter Offroad do the work is by far the best
solution for
> > oil pan puncture insurance.
> >
> > Thanks for your comments Stu... discussions like this ultimately
make
> > everyone aware of the possibilities... which is good no matter
what.
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu wrote:
> >
> > thanks Joe
> >
> >
> > I guess I am guilty of worrying that most folks will only listen
> > to half of
> > your advice....
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
89258 From: Annie <annie@i...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:08pm
Subject:
John,
Do you still have that 81 Firebird for sale?
Annie
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89259 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:22pm
Subject: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
RANT MODE ON
Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was this
much trouble.
I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all about
aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear diff.
No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop it
up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set to
the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver BTW).
Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
could swear this thing is possessed.
RANT MODE OFF
89260 From: Bill Hooven <whooven@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:37pm
Subject: Re: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put into and
it and it never did end up working well.
You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you mentioned
CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you owned.
Bill
--------------
Bill - Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
--------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <>>; <>>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
> RANT MODE ON
>
> Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was this
> much trouble.
>
> I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all about
> aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear diff.
> No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop it
> up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set to
> the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
> that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
> Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
> Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
> stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>
> I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver BTW).
> Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
> could swear this thing is possessed.
>
> RANT MODE OFF
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
89261 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:46pm
Subject: RE: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Anyone have a welder? I gotta seal a leak in my oil pan.
:)
Stu Olson <solson8@q...> wrote:
Joe,
I understand and I really do hope that you and I have discouraged the
unqualified individual from attempting a weld on skid...for all the right
reasons. :)
Since you don't have a bolt on skid, please allow me to update you on the
"off the shelf" bolt on oil pan skid. I am thinking they have greatly
improved since you last researched them.
I have one (pics and details on my web site) on my TJ. It bolts onto a
stock TJ and it fits my 10" lifted long arm, body lifted TJ too....no mods
needed on the skid....it simply bolts on. It covers the entire oil pan,
doesn't touch the frame or body, and offers every bit as much protection as
a same metal welded on skid. Mine is 3/16" thick (if I remember correctly)
and it fits flush to the pan....thus causing no more loss in ground
clearance than a 3/16" welded skid plate. I paid somehwere around $45~50
retail for the skid and it is available from any number of retail and web
based vendors.
Joe, my bolt on skid has none of the issues you stated it does. IMO, it is
safer and easier to install than any weld on skid (regardless of who is
welding it....you have no open flame under, around, or near the vehicle).
And I know how big of a guy you are on safety....having read dozens of your
arguments where you bring up personal and family safety as the most
important consideration. Like you said, why risk perforating the thin oil
pan metal and risk the chance of explosion and fire when it is not
necessary?
Thanks for discussion. I do believe that any invidual that was seeking an
oil pan skid might now know more than they ever bargained for. LOL
Stu
p.s. I am not attempting to take business away from John. He is a great
guy and from what I have seen, extremely good at his craft.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: Stu Olson; Joe West
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
>
>
> hehe...
>
> Well... since both you and I have taken the time to point out the
> potential
> problems... hopefully Joe Jeeper who reads this stuff (actually,
> I wonder if
> anybody actually reads the crap I write or if they just automatically send
> it to the trash file ) will look at the things to avoid and
> make sure
> they do it correctly.
>
> The reason I recommended this mod is because, if done correctly, it is
> cheaper, better (ground clearance, easy to make work with just about any
> combination of lift and other mods which may impact an "off the
> shelf" bolt
> on skid) and gives business to a local shop (okay... so I like Hunter
> Offroad :) ).
>
> To be quite honest with you... I would not recommend that the
> average Wally
> Welder tack a skid on their oil pan... the chances of perforating the
> relatively thin sheet metal of the oil pan, igniting the oil
> fumes caused by
> the heat of the weld bead and turning someone's Jeep into a pile of rubble
> (and maybe their house and their neighbor's house and.... well;
> you get the
> point) are too high.
>
> For the stock guys who know that a bolt-on skid will work (i.e. no custom
> lift, no body lift, no custom skids, etc) your suggestion is the simplest.
>
> I think for most everyone else, paying the $50 bucks (or whatever
> it is) and
> having John at Hunter Offroad do the work is by far the best solution for
> oil pan puncture insurance.
>
> Thanks for your comments Stu... discussions like this ultimately make
> everyone aware of the possibilities... which is good no matter what.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> Stu wrote:
>
> thanks Joe
>
>
> I guess I am guilty of worrying that most folks will only listen
> to half of
> your advice....
>
>
>
>
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89262 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:05pm
Subject: Re: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
Thanx, but I just peddled my well fed behind down to Checker and got an
EZ Out. They also had the correct diff fluid.
And to think I bought the Rubicon so I would have to work on my
rig...........
Well, EZ Outs are always a good time, let' go see how much fun this will be.
Bill Hooven wrote:
>I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put into and
>it and it never did end up working well.
>
>You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
>
>I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you mentioned
>CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you owned.
>
>Bill
>
>--------------
>Bill - Jeeps Only
>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <>>; <>>
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
>
>
>
>
>>RANT MODE ON
>>
>>Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was this
>>much trouble.
>>
>>I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all about
>>aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear diff.
>> No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop it
>>up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set to
>>the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
>>that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
>> Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
>>Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
>>stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>>
>>I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver BTW).
>> Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
>>could swear this thing is possessed.
>>
>>RANT MODE OFF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
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89263 From: Chris Kilcullen <whoozey1953@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:15pm
Subject: Re: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
I always "chase" the threads on the housing with a bottoming tap before installing the diff cover. It cleans out the leftover silicone, grunt, dead mice, etc. The bolts thread in much nicer, too.
Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...> wrote:Thanx, but I just peddled my well fed behind down to Checker and got an
EZ Out. They also had the correct diff fluid.
And to think I bought the Rubicon so I would have to work on my
rig...........
Well, EZ Outs are always a good time, let' go see how much fun this will be.
Bill Hooven wrote:
>I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put into and
>it and it never did end up working well.
>
>You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
>
>I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you mentioned
>CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you owned.
>
>Bill
>
>--------------
>Bill - Jeeps Only
>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kent Warner"
>To: ; <>>; <>>
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
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>>RANT MODE ON
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>>Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was this
>>much trouble.
>>
>>I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all about
>>aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear diff.
>> No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop it
>>up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set to
>>the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
>>that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
>> Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
>>Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
>>stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>>
>>I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver BTW).
>> Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
>>could swear this thing is possessed.
>>
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89264 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:36pm
Subject: Re: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
Note to self:
Whining and temper tantrums (even public ones) are a poor substitute for
shutting up and solving mechanical problems.
Rest of the bolt came right out. No idea why it broke in the first
place, maybe that hole isnt' lined up perfectly. That would explain the
leak. Still, Grade 8 stuff shouldn't break that easily. Perhaps a trip
to CopperState.
Kent Warner wrote:
>Thanx, but I just peddled my well fed behind down to Checker and got an
>EZ Out. They also had the correct diff fluid.
>
>And to think I bought the Rubicon so I would have to work on my
>rig...........
>
>Well, EZ Outs are always a good time, let' go see how much fun this will be.
>
>
>Bill Hooven wrote:
>
>
>
>>I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put into and
>>it and it never did end up working well.
>>
>>You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
>>
>>I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you mentioned
>>CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you owned.
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>--------------
>>Bill - Jeeps Only
>>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>>A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
>>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <>>; <>>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
>>Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>RANT MODE ON
>>>
>>>Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was this
>>>much trouble.
>>>
>>>I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all about
>>>aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear diff.
>>>No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop it
>>>up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set to
>>>the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
>>>that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
>>>Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
>>>Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
>>>stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>>>
>>>I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver BTW).
>>>Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
>>>could swear this thing is possessed.
>>>
>>>RANT MODE OFF
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89265 From: Brad <a292@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:39pm
Subject: Re: Help!! Need cheaper price to paint doors
I just talked to the guy who is painting my hood. He said he
would paint them both for $500. Wow, I thought it would be
less... Anyway let me know if you're interested and I'll give you
his number.
Brad
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> I got one reply for a body shop to paint my doors and
> haven't been able to locate him.
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> them. I am buying the doors for around 500.00.
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> Does anyone have any ideas? Or a shop?
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89266 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:55pm
Subject: RE: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
Kent, glad to hear you were able to extract the remaining piece of
hardware. I must admit that I still can't figure out how a Grade 8 bolt
snapped with a 30 ft. lb. setting on the torque wrench. That is and
might very well remain an unsolved mystery! (you didn't weld it, did
you?) LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:36 PM
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
Note to self:
Whining and temper tantrums (even public ones) are a poor substitute for
shutting up and solving mechanical problems.
Rest of the bolt came right out. No idea why it broke in the first
place, maybe that hole isnt' lined up perfectly. That would explain the
leak. Still, Grade 8 stuff shouldn't break that easily. Perhaps a trip
to CopperState.
Kent Warner wrote:
>Thanx, but I just peddled my well fed behind down to Checker and got an
>EZ Out. They also had the correct diff fluid.
>
>And to think I bought the Rubicon so I would have to work on my
>rig...........
>
>Well, EZ Outs are always a good time, let' go see how much fun this
will be.
>
>
>Bill Hooven wrote:
>
>
>
>>I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put
into and
>>it and it never did end up working well.
>>
>>You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
>>
>>I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you
mentioned
>>CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you
owned.
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>--------------
>>Bill - Jeeps Only
>>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>>A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
>>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <>>; <>>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
>>Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>RANT MODE ON
>>>
>>>Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was
this
>>>much trouble.
>>>
>>>I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all
about
>>>aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear
diff.
>>>No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop
it
>>>up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set
to
>>>the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
>>>that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
>>>Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
>>>Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
>>>stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>>>
>>>I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver
BTW).
>>>Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
>>>could swear this thing is possessed.
>>>
>>>RANT MODE OFF
>>>
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89267 From: Matt OBrien <makaioo@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:20pm
Subject: Coming down to home hunt - any night runs planned?
The wife, kids and I are flying in next Thursday for a whirlwind 4
day (Fri-Mon) home search. I thought I'd try to sneak in a run (and
meet some of you) if there happen to be any night runs scheduled
during my time in town (and someone has an available seat). The home
search takes precedence, so this may be wishful thinking.
If any runs are planned and someone wants company, let me know and
we'll see if we can work out the logistics without causing me to
miss scheduled appointments and incur the wrath of the wife.
Matt
K7MTO
89268 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:39pm
Subject: Re: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
No, didn't weld it (but I could use a little bracket tacked onto the gas
tank......), but I am wondering if this is a counterfeit Grade 8. It
has the "RH" cast into the cap, which I think is Taiwan stuff, and I had
heard somewhere that there was cheap stuff with that casting into the
head. These bolts don't feel right when they take torque. Too
stretchy. And the split ring washers smooshed out on a couple of bolts.
I am not liking the bolt quality.
So....
No diff cover on the rear diff these Saturday. Anyone want to take bets
on what I will break as I go up the hill?
Stu Olson wrote:
>Kent, glad to hear you were able to extract the remaining piece of
>hardware. I must admit that I still can't figure out how a Grade 8 bolt
>snapped with a 30 ft. lb. setting on the torque wrench. That is and
>might very well remain an unsolved mystery! (you didn't weld it, did
>you?) LOL
>
>Stu
>
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:36 PM
>Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
>
>Note to self:
>
>Whining and temper tantrums (even public ones) are a poor substitute for
>
>shutting up and solving mechanical problems.
>
>Rest of the bolt came right out. No idea why it broke in the first
>place, maybe that hole isnt' lined up perfectly. That would explain the
>
>leak. Still, Grade 8 stuff shouldn't break that easily. Perhaps a trip
>
>to CopperState.
>
>Kent Warner wrote:
>
>
>
>>Thanx, but I just peddled my well fed behind down to Checker and got an
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>EZ Out. They also had the correct diff fluid.
>>
>>And to think I bought the Rubicon so I would have to work on my
>>rig...........
>>
>>Well, EZ Outs are always a good time, let' go see how much fun this
>>
>>
>will be.
>
>
>>Bill Hooven wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put
>>>
>>>
>into and
>
>
>>>it and it never did end up working well.
>>>
>>>You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
>>>
>>>I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you
>>>
>>>
>mentioned
>
>
>>>CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you
>>>
>>>
>owned.
>
>
>>>Bill
>>>
>>>--------------
>>>Bill - Jeeps Only
>>>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>>>A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
>>>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <>>; <>>
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
>>>Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>RANT MODE ON
>>>>
>>>>Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was
>>>>
>>>>
>this
>
>
>>>>much trouble.
>>>>
>>>>I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all
>>>>
>>>>
>about
>
>
>>>>aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear
>>>>
>>>>
>diff.
>
>
>>>>No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop
>>>>
>>>>
>it
>
>
>>>>up, put the bolts in and torque them down (using a torque wrench set
>>>>
>>>>
>to
>
>
>>>>the factory spec of 30 ft/lbs) last bolt is going an and I think "hey
>>>>that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now" SNAP.
>>>>Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt with
>>>>Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
>>>>stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
>>>>
>>>>I have no idea what I am going to do now (this is my daily driver
>>>>
>>>>
>BTW).
>
>
>>>>Probably won't be on the run up the hill on Saturday. Sometimes I
>>>>could swear this thing is possessed.
>>>>
>>>>RANT MODE OFF
>>>>
>>>>
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89269 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: Good alignment shop
After my lift I went to S and S Tire on 13323 West Bell
They did good work.
Also I took my 97 Ford F150 there and they found everyone in spec and then
only charged me for a alignment check.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Beckham" <jeepnut7261@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Good alignment shop
> When I say I liked my service at the Big O on Bell (west Valley) remember,
I had already adjusted my "custom" Teraflex arms to get my caster angle
back, per Stu's suggestion. (you smart!).
> ALWAYS learn as much as you can before allowing some stranger to handle
the private parts of your beloved Jeep!
> When they came back and told me they couldn't adjust whatever, cause there
were no cam bolts (not since 99 Tj's) I already knew I was ok, just do the
toe in please.
> Education and buyer beware pays!
> 2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
> other custom stuff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stu Olson
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:42 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Good alignment shop
>
>
> For what it is worth, I tried the Network Alignment at 67th Ave. and
> Bethany.
>
> I WAS TOTALLY NOT IMPRESSED!!!!!!!
>
> They wanted over $100 for a front end alignment because they would have
to
> adjust my "custom" suspension (which at that time was some RE short
arms).
> This was back when I was a newbie so I paid them the money and found
that
> they screwed up the front pinion angle because they didn't have a clue
about
> caster vs. pinion for a lifted Jeep.
>
> I drove it home, adjusted the front control arms myself, and was able to
> obtain a ride where the front u-joint wasn't rattling my teeth out.
Since
> then, I've not paid anyone to align my Jeep....a few hours with the FSM
and
> some trial and error in my garage (such as putting on the Currie
steering)
> and I can now do my own caster and toe.
>
> Maybe I just had an idiot for alignment tech at that shop, but I've
never
> spent any more time or money with them. Given the savvy alignment folks
> that are in AZVJC that do it for a living, I couldn't see going to a
generic
> alignment shop to have your modified Jeep aligned.
>
> Stu
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brandon Reid [mailto:mikdiamon@c...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:46 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Good alignment shop
> >
> >
> > Network Alignment is great, check the phonebook theres several
> > locations, we get a club discount, if i rember right its 49 bux, and
> > it has a 6 month warranty (i took mine back after some steering work
> > and they aligned it again for free. The one I go to is on 67th ave
> > and bethany.
> >
> > TaD
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <khaw@n...> wrote:
> > > Anyone recommend a good alignment shop? I've had my 87XJ into Big
> > O
> > > down here a couple times and it's still pulling to the right.
> > > Thanks
> > > Keith
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89270 From: Ramon E. Rubio <rrubio32@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:07pm
Subject: Locker install question
Today my friend and I tried,yes tried,to install a lockright locker on his
88XJ.I have done this on my WJ and another WJ.The problem we ran into was
that the sheer pin than holds the pin in place would not come out.What
happend is that the pin is flush and we could not take it out.We tried
using an easy out,drilling the badboy out to no avail.On my WJ all i had to
do was use a 1/4 12 point wrench to get it out but on his XJ it has that
damn sheer pin in there.Are they suppose to be flush like that or maybe
someone put one in there that was to small and said the hell with it and let
someone else deal with it.So how would we go about removing it.We even
called a dealership tech and asked them and they looked it up and said that
it must come out,no ****.At first i thought it was a a allen wrench but
nope.So any good ideas out there.
Ramon
89271 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:09pm
Subject: RE: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
Kent....one could certainly get some bad (read cheap) hardware. For
what it is worth, I've always gotten my Grade 8 hardware at the local
ACE hardware. I can't vouch for the where it was made, but I've not had
any go south on me yet. My last suspension was held together with nuts
and bolts from ACE. :)
Here's one for you...."ACE is hands down, the best hardware store in
town" LOL
Stu
p.s. Don't chuckle to much about wanting a tab on your gas tank. I got
an e-mail the other day from a Jeeper who had performed one of the
modifications that is written up on my web site. He successfully melted
his gas tank while doing so. (he asked me to put an extra warning on
the web site about this. I already had one warning in the write-up that
addressed the difficulty of the modification.) ;>)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 7:39 PM
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
No, didn't weld it (but I could use a little bracket tacked onto the gas
tank......), but I am wondering if this is a counterfeit Grade 8. It
has the "RH" cast into the cap, which I think is Taiwan stuff, and I had
heard somewhere that there was cheap stuff with that casting into the
head. These bolts don't feel right when they take torque. Too
stretchy. And the split ring washers smooshed out on a couple of bolts.
I am not liking the bolt quality.
So....
No diff cover on the rear diff these Saturday. Anyone want to take bets
on what I will break as I go up the hill?
Stu Olson wrote:
>Kent, glad to hear you were able to extract the remaining piece of
>hardware. I must admit that I still can't figure out how a Grade 8
bolt
>snapped with a 30 ft. lb. setting on the torque wrench. That is and
>might very well remain an unsolved mystery! (you didn't weld it, did
>you?) LOL
>
>Stu
>
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:36 PM
>Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps -
NEVERMIND
>
>Note to self:
>
>Whining and temper tantrums (even public ones) are a poor substitute
for
>
>shutting up and solving mechanical problems.
>
>Rest of the bolt came right out. No idea why it broke in the first
>place, maybe that hole isnt' lined up perfectly. That would explain
the
>
>leak. Still, Grade 8 stuff shouldn't break that easily. Perhaps a
trip
>
>to CopperState.
>
>Kent Warner wrote:
>
>
>
>>Thanx, but I just peddled my well fed behind down to Checker and got
an
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>EZ Out. They also had the correct diff fluid.
>>
>>And to think I bought the Rubicon so I would have to work on my
>>rig...........
>>
>>Well, EZ Outs are always a good time, let' go see how much fun this
>>
>>
>will be.
>
>
>>Bill Hooven wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I hear ya. My last Jeep made me just insane with all the work I put
>>>
>>>
>into and
>
>
>>>it and it never did end up working well.
>>>
>>>You can borrow my bolt extractors if you like. I'm in Chandler.
>>>
>>>I'm not familiar with you and your Jeep. What kind is it? When you
>>>
>>>
>mentioned
>
>
>>>CJ, it seemed as though you were referring to a previous Jeep you
>>>
>>>
>owned.
>
>
>>>Bill
>>>
>>>--------------
>>>Bill - Jeeps Only
>>>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>>>A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
>>>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <>>; <>>
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:22 PM
>>>Subject: [az_vjc] Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>RANT MODE ON
>>>>
>>>>Sometimes turning wrenches just bites, and I swear the CJ never was
>>>>
>>>>
>this
>
>
>>>>much trouble.
>>>>
>>>>I put on my nice new diff gaurds the other day, now that I am all
>>>>
>>>>
>about
>
>
>>>>aromoring the underneath, and notice a little drip under the rear
>>>>
>>>>
>diff.
>
>
>>>>No problem, a little RTV in the bolt holes should fix that up. Goop
>>>>
>>>>
>it
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>>>>that doesn't feel quite right, should have tightened up by now"
SNAP.
>>>>Sheared off the top of the bolt flush to the diff cover. A bolt
with
>>>>Grade 8 marking. I don't have a bolt extractor. I don't have the
>>>>stupidly expensive diff fluid I will need when I pull the cover.
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>>>>could swear this thing is possessed.
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>>>>RANT MODE OFF
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89272 From: flatfenderman2000 <cnd4ever@g...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:16pm
Subject: Re: trailers
Go to www.dvtrailers.com They are just off of Deer Valley road and I-
17. They have the best prices it the valley. I recently purchaced a
16 foot dual axle trailer with a steel deck, dove tail, ramps and
breaks for $1899. They have different style car haulers starting at
around $1500.
Chris L.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "purple" <purp8@c...> wrote:
> Equipment Trader ( auto trader publications ) is a good place to
look . New
> and used featured here . There is a trailer sales place on 19 th
ave north
> of Mountain View that sells new ones for around $1400 .
> Hope this helps ,
> Purple .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jpcralweram [mailto:jpcrawleram@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:50 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] trailers
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>
> Im looking for a trailer for my jeep. Proabably a 16ft, duel axle
> with atleast one set of brakes.
>
> does anyone know of a good "cheap" place to pick one up. Any place
in
> the valley that sells used ones.
>
> thanks
>
> Andrew
> 93yj
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89273 From: Reid Scholes <azturf@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:22pm
Subject: Re: Locker install question
Ramon,
Use an appropriately sized punch and gently tap it out with a hammer. You
might have to pull the carrier... It makes it much easier. I used this
method with my '89 YJ D35.
Reid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ramon E. Rubio" <rrubio32@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Locker install question
> Today my friend and I tried,yes tried,to install a lockright locker on
his
> 88XJ.I have done this on my WJ and another WJ.The problem we ran into was
> that the sheer pin than holds the pin in place would not come out.What
> happend is that the pin is flush and we could not take it out.We tried
> using an easy out,drilling the badboy out to no avail.On my WJ all i had
to
> do was use a 1/4 12 point wrench to get it out but on his XJ it has that
> damn sheer pin in there.Are they suppose to be flush like that or maybe
> someone put one in there that was to small and said the hell with it and
let
> someone else deal with it.So how would we go about removing it.We even
> called a dealership tech and asked them and they looked it up and said
that
> it must come out,no ****.At first i thought it was a a allen wrench but
> nope.So any good ideas out there.
> Ramon
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89274 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:45pm
Subject: Re: Sometimes I just hate working on Jeeps - NEVERMIND
Kent, probably my fault your bolt broke off.... I do belive one of the last
things I said to you before you left..... If i recall correctly...
" Ah, changeing your diff gasket, thats easy job. Its a good fun one to
do, nothing to worry about....."
I am truly sorry Kent.
Best Regards..
john k
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89275 From: sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:55pm
Subject: New Gadget
I know there is always talk about misting systems for the
Jeeps...well tonight I installed one in my TJ to test out and show
off at CK this week end for "MobileMist.com". After a quick install I
took the Jeep for a ride and so far Im VERY impressed with it, I was
not expecting to notice it much...wrong. We will see how it does at
CK this weekend and for anyone wanting to check it out look for my
rig Sat. This is as close as Ill get to having my A/C back :)
Sharky
89276 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:05pm
Subject: Fw: Gas situation
THANKS RICK BEER
----- Original Message -----
From: RICK BEER
To: ARIZONABACKCOUNTRY ; arizonaXJ ; AZVJC AZVJC
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Gas situation
Need to stop & get gas tonight on my way home from work
drove by 2 different Quick Trips both were out also Costco was dry
Rut Row Shaggy wutz up with that
THANKS RICK BEER
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