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89227 From: Kevin Gallagher <GIThunder81@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:51pm
Subject: Shocks
Anyone have any extra rear shocks for a TJ? I have a 4 in lift. The
shocks I have now are to long and bottom out when I hit any sort of big
bump in the road and I have already destroyed one shock mount and had to
have it re welded. I am getting a rock krawler 7 in lift soon so I just
need something to get me by for the time being. thanx
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89228 From: Brandon Reid <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 0:50am
Subject: Re: Coil Over Started???
i wish theyda started in 97 ;)
TaD
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "rvisokey" <rvisokey@y...> wrote:
> What year did jeep start using coil over instead of leafs in the
> Wrangler?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
89229 From: Scott Stace <jeep@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:53am
Subject: XJ overheating
Hi all,
Anyone have a suggestion for an upgrade to my radiator? I am looking for
added cooling on my XJ...
History...
I recently purchased a 1991 Laredo 4.0 litre. The dorks before me cooked
the engine so I decided to purchase a new one (rebuilt) out of Phx. The
engine seems pretty decent. To make a long story short, the first one
the manufacture shipped us ran WAY too hot it was machined 40 over.
After replacing the radiator, water pump, thermo, temp sensor, the
manufacture paid to have it pulled and sent us another one at 30 over.
This one definitely runs cooler and after about 1000 miles is much
better than the first. However, it still runs right at 210 on the
highway and in town on hot days, ends up right below the red zone. Once
we get moving for a bit, it comes back down to 210. If I put it in 4X4
and just drive up a dirt road with an incline, it ends up way too hot
again within about 1 mile and doesn't cool down unless there is no load
on the engine and we are moving along.
Additional steps I have take....
I ordered a high performance water pump from flowkooler and that is
getting installed this week. I also ordered a Robert Shaw thermostat. It
too, gets installed this week.
What I am wondering is, if anyone has any experience with the aluminum
radiators? Are they worth the money? Has anyone else had this same
problem with an XJ similar to mine? What did you do to fix the problem?
Is there a preferred radiator that anyone would recommend to me? I would
like to put a solid solution in place so I can begin building up my
trail ride again! I don't want to start doing anything until I have this
problem under control :(
Any advice/suggestions will be greatly appreciated!! Feel free to email
me direct or through the group. My private email is scott@a...
Thanks,
Scott - Tucson
1991 Jeep Cherokee Laredo
Former 1993 YJ (horribly missed)
89230 From: Joe West <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 3:57am
Subject: RE: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Stu,
Welding a skid to the bottom and up the sides of an oil pan is a sound
method of protecting your oil pan. If the weld is good, the weld
locations are sound and the plate is designed correctly, it will prevent
damage to your oil pan much in the way that corner guards protect your
rig; by spreading out point loads to a broader surface area.
I suspect your friend had a couple of problems:
1. Insufficient weld area which could concentrate impact forces over a
narrow weld causing higher point loads and cracked welds.
2. Poor welds.
3. The skid plate was not designed properly to be in contact with the
bottom of the oil pan; any air gap at all between the bottom of the skid
and the oil pan will again cause higher point loads at the welds since
the skid plate cannot disperse the load over the entire area of the oil
pan.
I don't even have to examine your friend's design to know that it was a
poor one if he cracked welds and it leaked. I'm relatively sure that
your friend thought "How simple is this... I'll just tack this plate up
here and it will protect me" without considering many (if any) of the
design considerations I brought up above. If you care to post a picture
of his design, I'd be happy to point out where he went wrong.
The additional benefits of welding a skid to the bottom of your oil pan
include:
1. Less Expensive.
2. More ground clearance.
3. Broader range of design choices.
John at Hunter Offroad knows how to design and install these skids at a
VERY reasonable cost... and while I don't know how many he has done...
I've NEVER heard of anyone in our group breaking one and having oil
leak... and I suspect we have some pretty hardcore people with welded
skids on their oil pan.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:23 PM
To: 'Kent Warner'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
I would never weld a skid to my oil pan. What do you think happens when
you hit the pan hard enough to crack a weld? Yep, you got it...the oil
runs out of the crack. A friend of mine did that once....never again.
There are good oil pan skids, such as the Tera (believe it or not), that
will do a very good job and you don't have to compromise your engine oil
in the process.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:20 PM
To: 'Kent Warner'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Take your rig to Hunter Offroad and have John weld on a skid to your oil
pan... He can do it relatively inexpensively, quickly, and you'll get a
great deal more protection. John is so quick that there is relatively
little heat transferred to the oil. Mine has taken a few great whacks
and no problems.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:11 PM
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Not actually sure when I dented the oil pan, I think it was on a night
run on Raw Deal (upper), that is the only time I remember slipping
enough to do that. Got it good too. Luckily it didn't puncture and the
dent is on the side, so the oil is still picking up. Only noticed it
when I was putting on my steering box skid plate.
Brad wrote:
>Ha! I think the Rubicon owns me (or at least my wallet), not the
>other way around. :-) I was taking the scenic route to Jack in the
>Box!
>
>As far as your oil pan dent, you could tell them that due to a mfg
>defect the air intake got restricted causing excessive suction in
>the crankcase through the vent hose, thus causing the oil pan to
>partially implode...
>
>So how did you dent the pan? I know people dent them but
>when I look at mine it sure seems like it would be unlikely as
>high up as it is.
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Jeez Brad.
>>
>>Dents? And mud?
>>
>>You are going to ruin the Rubicon owners reputation with that
>>
>>
>sort of
>
>
>>thing. What the heck mall was that where that happened,
>>
>>
>anyway?
>
>
>>Actually you should see my oil pan, you'ld be proud. Think I
>>
>>
>can
>
>
>>convince the Service Manager that there is a rock shaped
>>
>>
>manufacturing
>
>
>>defect in my oil pan?
>>
>>Brad wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Here's a picture of the dent in my hood along with a couple
>>>
>>>
>picts
>
>
>>>of my first attempt to hide the damage. Worked pretty well I
>>>thought. :)
>>>http://community.webshots.com/album/85615496aFJyAC
>>>
>>>Have a good day
>>>Brad
>>>
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89231 From: purple <purp8@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:46am
Subject: RE: wheel spacers
My 5 spoke steel OEM XJ/TJ 15x7 wheels were 24 lbs each and my 15x7 aluminum
American Racing wheels were 12 lbs each .
Hope this helps ,
Purple .
-----Original Message-----
From: David Cole [mailto:lists@o...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:59 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] wheel spacers
Are wheel spacers legal in Arizona and would they pass a vehicle inspection?
I'm simply considering options. My XJ is sitting and 4.5" average and I want
to push the wheels out for more stability. I would like to keep my factory
wheels as they are aluminum, but are 16x7 with 5.25" backspacing. Steel
wheels would be an option, but are heavier. In general, how much heavier is
a steel wheel compared to an equivalent aluminum wheel?
David
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89232 From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:02am
Subject: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
Date: Sunday, August 17, 2003
Time: 6:00AM - 4:30PM PDT (GMT-07:00)
Honda Magna M/C
Tools & Out door toys & Mtn Bikes Computer Stuff & Furniture
Warner & Alma School Road
in Chandler
Beat the Heat Come Early
89233 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:22am
Subject: Re: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Not THAT unlikely.....................:'
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:56 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Ha! I think the Rubicon owns me (or at least my wallet), not the
other way around. :-) I was taking the scenic route to Jack in the
Box!
As far as your oil pan dent, you could tell them that due to a mfg
defect the air intake got restricted causing excessive suction in
the crankcase through the vent hose, thus causing the oil pan to
partially implode...
So how did you dent the pan? I know people dent them but
when I look at mine it sure seems like it would be unlikely as
high up as it is.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
wrote:
> Jeez Brad.
>
> Dents? And mud?
>
> You are going to ruin the Rubicon owners reputation with that
sort of
> thing. What the heck mall was that where that happened,
anyway?
>
> Actually you should see my oil pan, you'ld be proud. Think I
can
> convince the Service Manager that there is a rock shaped
manufacturing
> defect in my oil pan?
>
> Brad wrote:
>
> >Here's a picture of the dent in my hood along with a couple
picts
> >of my first attempt to hide the damage. Worked pretty well I
> >thought. :)
> >http://community.webshots.com/album/85615496aFJyAC
> >
> >Have a good day
> >Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
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89234 From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:55am
Subject: Re: Woohoo! I'm no longer Jeep-less!
Scott,
There's a Willys wagon with a V8 on eBay right now. It's up in
Flagstaff. It's otherwise relatively stock and would be a good base
to start from. :-)
Linda
54 wagon
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> It was a CJ7 and it seemed like a good deal last night. I went back
> this morning to pick it up and give it a second going over. I
didn't
> sleep well over the deal so I took it for a second test drive.
After
> the test drive I still felt uncertain about this particular Jeep.
It
> had an injected straight six but I was really thinking a V8 was
more
> what I wanted. Until I buy another house in Montana (which may be a
> year or more) and can do motor and axle swaps I just didn't think I
> could live with the straight six and 2.73 gears.
>
> So I'm continuing the search. I got so excited last night. There
> absolutely will be another Jeep. Whether its an XJ, Willys, or CJ I
> don't know. Leaning towards an XJ at the moment. It would be a
great
> Moab rig.
>
> Scott K
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, chaton602phx@a... wrote:
> > is it a jeep "BRUTE"?
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
89235 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:04am
Subject: AZ_VJC Digest Replies
When replying to the AZ_VJC digest please delete everthing from the
digest except the one message you are replying too. We really don't
need to see the digest included in the next digest. It starts looking
like you are looking into parallel mirrors. Also it makes it
difficult to figure out what you are actually replying too.
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find that they very rarely lose or fail.
89236 From: Scott Tate <scott@f...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:23am
Subject: RE: XJ overheating
Scott,
you are not alone. My brother has a 91 YJ and my buddy has a
94. Both exibit the EXACT same problems that you encounter. The 4.0's
just run too hot for 112 degree Arizona days (stock). I call your
situation the 230 degree fast food drive through! My brother, in fact,
lives in LA. And, when he comes out here, he gets annoyed because his
XJ gets too hot. If I owned an XJ I would definitely take the plunge
and get an aluminum radiator. They are much cheaper than you think (4wd
hardware fools us all). A lot of VJC guys lately have been going to Ron
Davis Radiators in Glendale for just this. If you go to
www.rondavisradiators.com, you can get the number and location. They
build all of the baja stuff for Robby Gordon. Anyway, a good aluminum
radiator with a custom shroud will solve ALL of your problems. Since so
many guys are going to Ron Davis these days, I'm trying to negotiate a
VJC discount. So, if you call them, talk to Tim. And, tell him Scott
Tate sent you. (the more guys we get there the better chance we are of
getting a discount). For my entire custom setup for my YJ (Huge
radiator, custom aluminum shroud, SPAL fan, and the works), I only paid
about 500 dollars. A small price compared to 4wd hardware that charges
600+ for the Be Cool radiator by itself! Anyway, I'd even be happy to
help you put it in if you like. Let me know how it goes for you. And
give Tim a call! There is a light at the end of the 240 degree tunnel.
LOL.
Scott Tate
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Stace [mailto:jeep@a...]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:54 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] XJ overheating
Hi all,
Anyone have a suggestion for an upgrade to my radiator? I am looking for
added cooling on my XJ...
History...
I recently purchased a 1991 Laredo 4.0 litre. The dorks before me cooked
the engine so I decided to purchase a new one (rebuilt) out of Phx. The
engine seems pretty decent. To make a long story short, the first one
the manufacture shipped us ran WAY too hot it was machined 40 over.
After replacing the radiator, water pump, thermo, temp sensor, the
manufacture paid to have it pulled and sent us another one at 30 over.
This one definitely runs cooler and after about 1000 miles is much
better than the first. However, it still runs right at 210 on the
highway and in town on hot days, ends up right below the red zone. Once
we get moving for a bit, it comes back down to 210. If I put it in 4X4
and just drive up a dirt road with an incline, it ends up way too hot
again within about 1 mile and doesn't cool down unless there is no load
on the engine and we are moving along.
Additional steps I have take....
I ordered a high performance water pump from flowkooler and that is
getting installed this week. I also ordered a Robert Shaw thermostat. It
too, gets installed this week.
What I am wondering is, if anyone has any experience with the aluminum
radiators? Are they worth the money? Has anyone else had this same
problem with an XJ similar to mine? What did you do to fix the problem?
Is there a preferred radiator that anyone would recommend to me? I would
like to put a solid solution in place so I can begin building up my
trail ride again! I don't want to start doing anything until I have this
problem under control :(
Any advice/suggestions will be greatly appreciated!! Feel free to email
me direct or through the group. My private email is scott@a...
Thanks,
Scott - Tucson
1991 Jeep Cherokee Laredo
Former 1993 YJ (horribly missed)
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89237 From: Steve G. <glock45x@n...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:42am
Subject: Re: XJ overheating
My girlfriends ZJ had the same problems. We cured the problem by
reducing the antifreeze to 25%, adding a water wetter and I cut a hole
in the hood over the left side of the engine. These "tricks" should
work for you, a lot cheeper than an aluminum raditor. Get a good
quality aftermarket temp guage, the factory one's are nortorious for
very loose calibration.
Steve
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Stace" <jeep@a...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Anyone have a suggestion for an upgrade to my radiator? I am looking for
> added cooling on my XJ...
>
> History...
>
> I recently purchased a 1991 Laredo 4.0 litre. The dorks before me cooked
> the engine so I decided to purchase a new one (rebuilt) out of Phx. The
> engine seems pretty decent. To make a long story short, the first one
> the manufacture shipped us ran WAY too hot it was machined 40 over.
> After replacing the radiator, water pump, thermo, temp sensor, the
> manufacture paid to have it pulled and sent us another one at 30 over.
> This one definitely runs cooler and after about 1000 miles is much
> better than the first. However, it still runs right at 210 on the
> highway and in town on hot days, ends up right below the red zone. Once
> we get moving for a bit, it comes back down to 210. If I put it in 4X4
> and just drive up a dirt road with an incline, it ends up way too hot
> again within about 1 mile and doesn't cool down unless there is no load
> on the engine and we are moving along.
>
> Additional steps I have take....
>
> I ordered a high performance water pump from flowkooler and that is
> getting installed this week. I also ordered a Robert Shaw thermostat. It
> too, gets installed this week.
>
> What I am wondering is, if anyone has any experience with the aluminum
> radiators? Are they worth the money? Has anyone else had this same
> problem with an XJ similar to mine? What did you do to fix the problem?
> Is there a preferred radiator that anyone would recommend to me? I would
> like to put a solid solution in place so I can begin building up my
> trail ride again! I don't want to start doing anything until I have this
> problem under control :(
>
> Any advice/suggestions will be greatly appreciated!! Feel free to email
> me direct or through the group. My private email is scott@a...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott - Tucson
> 1991 Jeep Cherokee Laredo
> Former 1993 YJ (horribly missed)
89238 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:03am
Subject: Re: Shocks
Well you really need to ramp the Jeep and get the compressed and extended
measures that your individual Jeep needs.
If you're switching suspensions and lifts soon, why not just extend the
bumpstops enough such that you don't overcompress you existing shocks
anymore ??
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gallagher" <GIThunder81@c...>
To: "Yahoo VJC Group" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:51 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Shocks
> Anyone have any extra rear shocks for a TJ? I have a 4 in lift. The
> shocks I have now are to long and bottom out when I hit any sort of big
> bump in the road and I have already destroyed one shock mount and had to
> have it re welded. I am getting a rock krawler 7 in lift soon so I just
> need something to get me by for the time being. thanx
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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89239 From: Darwin Martin <darwinkmartin@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:23am
Subject: Help!! Need cheaper price to paint doors
I got one reply for a body shop to paint my doors and
haven't been able to locate him.
I have been getting prices of 300.00 per door to paint
them. I am buying the doors for around 500.00.
Does anyone have any ideas? Or a shop?
Thanks in advance!!
-Darwin Martin
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89240 From: Keith <khaw@n...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:35am
Subject: RE: XJ overheating
Believe it or not 210 isn't all that hot for a XJ. The electric fan
doesn't even kick in till then unless your running the a/c. Make sure
the fan clutch electric fan and overflow system are good. Might try a 3
core radiator. I got mine from radiators.com for $120 delivered to my
door next day. Hood vents help also.
Keith
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89241 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:12am
Subject: Running hot
I had cooling problems with my TJ, went to a 3 core full brass radiator, and had a machine shop make a spacer to replace the clutch fan, so my fan turns constant with engine speed. It still runs 210, but does not climb above that at idle (my original problem, with a/c on at idle, it would go up 240, if you can trust the factory gages)
Also, my A/c seems to blow colder air.
Put in new pump, new thermostat (180).
Over all, I like how it runs cooler when crawling/going slow off road, even with A/C.
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
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89242 From: kmichael02 <kmichael02@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:14am
Subject: Re: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
COULD YOU EMAIL ME SPECIFIC DIRECTIONS, I'LL COME BY AND TAKE A
LOOK...kmichael02@y...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
>
> Date: Sunday, August 17, 2003
> Time: 6:00AM - 4:30PM PDT (GMT-07:00)
>
> Honda Magna M/C
> Tools & Out door toys & Mtn Bikes Computer Stuff & Furniture
> Warner & Alma School Road
> in Chandler
> Beat the Heat Come Early
89243 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:31am
Subject: RE: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
thanks Joe
I guess I am guilty of worrying that most folks will only listen to half of
your advice....the part that said you can weld a skid plate onto your oil
pan. The part I believe too many folks might ignore is that they need to
have John weld it on because he knows what he is doing.
As you pointed out so well, my friend didn't do the welds correctly....and
he certainly thought he could do it himself. (He is batting 1000 per your
scenario.) Call me paranoid but I fear that too many other people will do
just like him....he was a Jeeper on a budget trying to save himself a few
bucks (a lot of folks fall into that category).
So....I worry that someone with less than the necessary skills will weld his
own skid on and then go run some trails. At some point, he smacks it on the
rocks and it begins to leak slowly. He leaves behind him a 1/4 mile long
oil track. Finally, the oil is mostly gone and the oil gauge indicates low
pressure. With luck, he sees it and stops before he his engine. Worse yet,
he has his family/kids with him, and now they are stuck too. Hopefully he
is running with friends that can tow his rig out and get him and his family
home without any further problems.
Does the above sound like a fairy tale? I don't think so....it describes
what happened to my friend (just like you said).
The way I see it....the above would not have had to happen if he had bolted
on the oil skid. Simple to do and so damn hard to screw up. As you pointed
out....it is easy to mess up the welds...and that is what I worry about
someone else doing. Oil spills, stranded vehicles and family members....is
it really worth it for the small dollar savings on the skid? I don't think
it does. And so, I will continue to recommend a bolt on skid....its just
too hard for the DIYer to mess that up.
Kind regards too,
Stu
p.s. I've spent time with bio degreaser, a scrub brush, and a water bottle,
walking our rock washes and cleaning up the oil spills. If I can suggest a
method that reduces the chance of oil spills, I certainly will.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:57 AM
> To: 'Stu Olson'; 'Kent Warner'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
>
>
> Stu,
>
>
> Welding a skid to the bottom and up the sides of an oil pan is a sound
> method of protecting your oil pan. If the weld is good, the weld
> locations are sound and the plate is designed correctly, it will prevent
> damage to your oil pan much in the way that corner guards protect your
> rig; by spreading out point loads to a broader surface area.
>
> I suspect your friend had a couple of problems:
>
> 1. Insufficient weld area which could concentrate impact forces over a
> narrow weld causing higher point loads and cracked welds.
>
> 2. Poor welds.
>
> 3. The skid plate was not designed properly to be in contact with the
> bottom of the oil pan; any air gap at all between the bottom of the skid
> and the oil pan will again cause higher point loads at the welds since
> the skid plate cannot disperse the load over the entire area of the oil
> pan.
>
> I don't even have to examine your friend's design to know that it was a
> poor one if he cracked welds and it leaked. I'm relatively sure that
> your friend thought "How simple is this... I'll just tack this plate up
> here and it will protect me" without considering many (if any) of the
> design considerations I brought up above. If you care to post a picture
> of his design, I'd be happy to point out where he went wrong.
>
> The additional benefits of welding a skid to the bottom of your oil pan
> include:
>
> 1. Less Expensive.
> 2. More ground clearance.
> 3. Broader range of design choices.
>
> John at Hunter Offroad knows how to design and install these skids at a
> VERY reasonable cost... and while I don't know how many he has done...
> I've NEVER heard of anyone in our group breaking one and having oil
> leak... and I suspect we have some pretty hardcore people with welded
> skids on their oil pan.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:23 PM
> To: 'Kent Warner'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
>
> I would never weld a skid to my oil pan. What do you think happens when
> you hit the pan hard enough to crack a weld? Yep, you got it...the oil
> runs out of the crack. A friend of mine did that once....never again.
> There are good oil pan skids, such as the Tera (believe it or not), that
> will do a very good job and you don't have to compromise your engine oil
> in the process.
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:20 PM
> To: 'Kent Warner'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
>
> Take your rig to Hunter Offroad and have John weld on a skid to your oil
> pan... He can do it relatively inexpensively, quickly, and you'll get a
> great deal more protection. John is so quick that there is relatively
> little heat transferred to the oil. Mine has taken a few great whacks
> and no problems.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:11 PM
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
>
> Not actually sure when I dented the oil pan, I think it was on a night
> run on Raw Deal (upper), that is the only time I remember slipping
> enough to do that. Got it good too. Luckily it didn't puncture and the
>
> dent is on the side, so the oil is still picking up. Only noticed it
> when I was putting on my steering box skid plate.
>
> Brad wrote:
>
> >Ha! I think the Rubicon owns me (or at least my wallet), not the
> >other way around. :-) I was taking the scenic route to Jack in the
> >Box!
> >
> >As far as your oil pan dent, you could tell them that due to a mfg
> >defect the air intake got restricted causing excessive suction in
> >the crankcase through the vent hose, thus causing the oil pan to
> >partially implode...
> >
> >So how did you dent the pan? I know people dent them but
> >when I look at mine it sure seems like it would be unlikely as
> >high up as it is.
> >
> >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Jeez Brad.
> >>
> >>Dents? And mud?
> >>
> >>You are going to ruin the Rubicon owners reputation with that
> >>
> >>
> >sort of
> >
> >
> >>thing. What the heck mall was that where that happened,
> >>
> >>
> >anyway?
> >
> >
> >>Actually you should see my oil pan, you'ld be proud. Think I
> >>
> >>
> >can
> >
> >
> >>convince the Service Manager that there is a rock shaped
> >>
> >>
> >manufacturing
> >
> >
> >>defect in my oil pan?
> >>
> >>Brad wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Here's a picture of the dent in my hood along with a couple
> >>>
> >>>
> >picts
> >
> >
> >>>of my first attempt to hide the damage. Worked pretty well I
> >>>thought. :)
> >>>http://community.webshots.com/album/85615496aFJyAC
> >>>
> >>>Have a good day
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89244 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:45am
Subject: RE: Running hot
I still do not understand what all of you are talking about when you say AC?
What is that? I know about the AC as in electrical but in a Jeep?
:-)
Joe Kearney
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@h...]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:13 AM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc] Running hot
I had cooling problems with my TJ, went to a 3 core full brass radiator, and
had a machine shop make a spacer to replace the clutch fan, so my fan turns
constant with engine speed. It still runs 210, but does not climb above
that at idle (my original problem, with a/c on at idle, it would go up 240,
if you can trust the factory gages)
Also, my A/c seems to blow colder air.
Put in new pump, new thermostat (180).
Over all, I like how it runs cooler when crawling/going slow off road, even
with A/C.
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
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89245 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:48am
Subject: RE: STL Permits
Sorry, no...........
The only place you can now purchase permits is at the land dept. at 1616 W.
Adams, via mail or from the Public Lands Information Center at 222 N.
Central.
The workshop next weekend is partly geared to the "HOW TO's" to get the
permits in working order and management........ will also be working on an
OHV permit that will supercede the ASLD permit ..........????????
My suggestion is to write a "polite" but firm letter indicating you are NOT
HAPPY about not being able to purchase a state land permit. You realize
they are to be available via the internet soon but there are hundreds of
recreationists out there that cannot drive downtown............
Please do not mention mine or Tammy's name specifically.............. just
request the 4x4 stores and organization representatives be allowed to
continue to sell permits.
Mark Winkleman is Commissioner: mwinklm@l...
Chuck Hudson, OHV Manager: chudson@l...
Bill Dowdle, Resources Manager: (GREAT GUY) bdowdle@l...
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: 'mccullen@w...'
> Cc: Home (leonardpennock@c...)
> Subject: STL Permits
>
>
> Do you have STL permits. Would like to get a new one before CK
> this weekend.
>
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89246 From: Smitty <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:31am
Subject: Re: Re: CK 9:00 run meeting spot/correction
Sharky,
What? Do you need that extra half hour for the HUGE breakfast, and enough time for them to prepare the to-go meal..
LOL
Smitty
sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...> wrote:
Actually it might be better if we meet there at 7:00 to assure
enough time to eat.
Sharky
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "sharxjeep" wrote:
> Hello all, I was thinking that we all can meet at Dennys resturaunt
> at I17 and Deer Valley at 7:30 sat. morning for breakfast then Jeep-
a-
> van to the trail from there, we can all chat and have some food to
> start off a great day. Im looking for a head count to confirm the
> number of Jeeps going so please respond to me off list.
>
> Thank you and look forward to seeing you all Sat.
> Sharky & The McNasty McWrangler
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Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:02am
Subject: [FS] Vendor Items Added
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89248 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:09am
Subject: RE: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
hehe...
Well... since both you and I have taken the time to point out the potential
problems... hopefully Joe Jeeper who reads this stuff (actually, I wonder if
anybody actually reads the crap I write or if they just automatically send
it to the trash file <grin>) will look at the things to avoid and make sure
they do it correctly.
The reason I recommended this mod is because, if done correctly, it is
cheaper, better (ground clearance, easy to make work with just about any
combination of lift and other mods which may impact an "off the shelf" bolt
on skid) and gives business to a local shop (okay... so I like Hunter
Offroad :) ).
To be quite honest with you... I would not recommend that the average Wally
Welder tack a skid on their oil pan... the chances of perforating the
relatively thin sheet metal of the oil pan, igniting the oil fumes caused by
the heat of the weld bead and turning someone's Jeep into a pile of rubble
(and maybe their house and their neighbor's house and.... well; you get the
point) are too high.
For the stock guys who know that a bolt-on skid will work (i.e. no custom
lift, no body lift, no custom skids, etc) your suggestion is the simplest.
I think for most everyone else, paying the $50 bucks (or whatever it is) and
having John at Hunter Offroad do the work is by far the best solution for
oil pan puncture insurance.
Thanks for your comments Stu... discussions like this ultimately make
everyone aware of the possibilities... which is good no matter what.
Kind Regards,
Joe
Stu wrote:
thanks Joe
I guess I am guilty of worrying that most folks will only listen to half of
your advice....
<snip>
89249 From: Jeff Trujillo <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:46am
Subject: Re: The coves
Now that OT was worth the laugh. LMAO Thanks Jeff CamoXJ I need to
run into those kinds of "Dears" when I go this month LOL--- In
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lindsey" <azrubi@a...> wrote:
> Sorry for the OT. Hehe, couldn't resist...
>
> Several years back I was bow hunting up in Elk Park Meadows area.
> Strollin' along, in full camo, enjoying the quite when I heard a
noisy
> truck approaching. So, I sat on a stump to wait for the vehicle to
> pass. Instead, it pulls up about 10 yards in front of me.
Two "dears"
> get out and use the truck as a shield from the road (but, on my
side) and
> proceed to show me that they are "white tail dears".
>
> I decided not to move and embarass them and they just got back in
and
> drove away.
>
> I wasn't even disappointed that those were the only "dears" I saw
that
> trip. Camo is amazing... ;-)
>
> Take care,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Axtell <tony@i...>
> To:
> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:15:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: The coves
>
> > On a more positive note about the coves,
> >
> > At the last cove not sure the number, the one with the rocky
descend
> > to the wash with the pretty canyon.
> >
> > We parked in the shade under a paloverde tree, my jeep is camo
> > green,
> > hides very well. We watched a female mule deer walk about 10
yards in
> > front of us and took a drink of water from the cove. She was a
big and
> > beautiful. We watched her for about 10 minutes until she headed
back up
> > the wash.
> >
> > Sandee McCullen wrote:
> > > No.......... Arizona has one OHV Fee Area and that's the
Safford Hot
> > Well
> > > Dunes Recreation area. There are a number of BLM Camp grounds,
boat
> > ramps
> > > and hiking trails that are Fee but no OHV............... yet.
> > Sandee
> > >
> > >
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Dave King [mailto:daveaz@a...]
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:53 AM
> > >>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: The coves were disgusting
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I don't think I have ever been to this area, do you have to pay
a fee
> > >>to go there?
> > >>
> > >>Dave
> > >>
> > >>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Most definitely! If OHV folks continue cleaning up the
boaters'
> > >>
> > >>mess
> > >>
> > >>>then the boaters will continue littering.
> > >>>
> > >>>-Roger
> > >>>
> > >>>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen"
<mccullen@c...>
> > >>>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>It might be time to start a campaign to connect with the
> > >>>>boating group through the docks and let them know they must
> > >>>>join in and "respect our lands".....
> > >>>
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> > >>
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89250 From: xxnickthedickxx <squarelights@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:48am
Subject: Nice TJ for sale
99 6cyl 40k Tan with Black soft top. 4"lift with 33 Mt's aluminum
wheels. excellent condition. call ryan 480.330.9594
I can email pics
thanks,
nick l.
89251 From: sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:53am
Subject: Re: CK 9:00 run meeting spot/correction
Oh grasshorrer...you soooooo funny... LOL
Sharky (ordering ahead)
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Smitty <jeepinsmitty@y...> wrote:
> Sharky,
> What? Do you need that extra half hour for the HUGE breakfast, and
enough time for them to prepare the to-go meal..
> LOL
>
> Smitty
>
>
> sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...> wrote:
> Actually it might be better if we meet there at 7:00 to assure
> enough time to eat.
>
> Sharky
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "sharxjeep" wrote:
> > Hello all, I was thinking that we all can meet at Dennys
resturaunt
> > at I17 and Deer Valley at 7:30 sat. morning for breakfast then
Jeep-
> a-
> > van to the trail from there, we can all chat and have some food
to
> > start off a great day. Im looking for a head count to confirm the
> > number of Jeeps going so please respond to me off list.
> >
> > Thank you and look forward to seeing you all Sat.
> > Sharky & The McNasty McWrangler
>
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89227 From: Kevin Gallagher <GIThunder81@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:51pm
Subject: Shocks
Anyone have any extra rear shocks for a TJ? I have a 4 in lift. The
shocks I have now are to long and bottom out when I hit any sort of big
bump in the road and I have already destroyed one shock mount and had to
have it re welded. I am getting a rock krawler 7 in lift soon so I just
need something to get me by for the time being. thanx
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89228 From: Brandon Reid <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 0:50am
Subject: Re: Coil Over Started???
i wish theyda started in 97 ;)
TaD
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "rvisokey" <rvisokey@y...> wrote:
> What year did jeep start using coil over instead of leafs in the
> Wrangler?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
89229 From: Scott Stace <jeep@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:53am
Subject: XJ overheating
Hi all,
Anyone have a suggestion for an upgrade to my radiator? I am looking for
added cooling on my XJ...
History...
I recently purchased a 1991 Laredo 4.0 litre. The dorks before me cooked
the engine so I decided to purchase a new one (rebuilt) out of Phx. The
engine seems pretty decent. To make a long story short, the first one
the manufacture shipped us ran WAY too hot it was machined 40 over.
After replacing the radiator, water pump, thermo, temp sensor, the
manufacture paid to have it pulled and sent us another one at 30 over.
This one definitely runs cooler and after about 1000 miles is much
better than the first. However, it still runs right at 210 on the
highway and in town on hot days, ends up right below the red zone. Once
we get moving for a bit, it comes back down to 210. If I put it in 4X4
and just drive up a dirt road with an incline, it ends up way too hot
again within about 1 mile and doesn't cool down unless there is no load
on the engine and we are moving along.
Additional steps I have take....
I ordered a high performance water pump from flowkooler and that is
getting installed this week. I also ordered a Robert Shaw thermostat. It
too, gets installed this week.
What I am wondering is, if anyone has any experience with the aluminum
radiators? Are they worth the money? Has anyone else had this same
problem with an XJ similar to mine? What did you do to fix the problem?
Is there a preferred radiator that anyone would recommend to me? I would
like to put a solid solution in place so I can begin building up my
trail ride again! I don't want to start doing anything until I have this
problem under control :(
Any advice/suggestions will be greatly appreciated!! Feel free to email
me direct or through the group. My private email is scott@a...
Thanks,
Scott - Tucson
1991 Jeep Cherokee Laredo
Former 1993 YJ (horribly missed)
89230 From: Joe West <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 3:57am
Subject: RE: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Stu,
Welding a skid to the bottom and up the sides of an oil pan is a sound
method of protecting your oil pan. If the weld is good, the weld
locations are sound and the plate is designed correctly, it will prevent
damage to your oil pan much in the way that corner guards protect your
rig; by spreading out point loads to a broader surface area.
I suspect your friend had a couple of problems:
1. Insufficient weld area which could concentrate impact forces over a
narrow weld causing higher point loads and cracked welds.
2. Poor welds.
3. The skid plate was not designed properly to be in contact with the
bottom of the oil pan; any air gap at all between the bottom of the skid
and the oil pan will again cause higher point loads at the welds since
the skid plate cannot disperse the load over the entire area of the oil
pan.
I don't even have to examine your friend's design to know that it was a
poor one if he cracked welds and it leaked. I'm relatively sure that
your friend thought "How simple is this... I'll just tack this plate up
here and it will protect me" without considering many (if any) of the
design considerations I brought up above. If you care to post a picture
of his design, I'd be happy to point out where he went wrong.
The additional benefits of welding a skid to the bottom of your oil pan
include:
1. Less Expensive.
2. More ground clearance.
3. Broader range of design choices.
John at Hunter Offroad knows how to design and install these skids at a
VERY reasonable cost... and while I don't know how many he has done...
I've NEVER heard of anyone in our group breaking one and having oil
leak... and I suspect we have some pretty hardcore people with welded
skids on their oil pan.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:23 PM
To: 'Kent Warner'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
I would never weld a skid to my oil pan. What do you think happens when
you hit the pan hard enough to crack a weld? Yep, you got it...the oil
runs out of the crack. A friend of mine did that once....never again.
There are good oil pan skids, such as the Tera (believe it or not), that
will do a very good job and you don't have to compromise your engine oil
in the process.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:20 PM
To: 'Kent Warner'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Take your rig to Hunter Offroad and have John weld on a skid to your oil
pan... He can do it relatively inexpensively, quickly, and you'll get a
great deal more protection. John is so quick that there is relatively
little heat transferred to the oil. Mine has taken a few great whacks
and no problems.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:11 PM
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Not actually sure when I dented the oil pan, I think it was on a night
run on Raw Deal (upper), that is the only time I remember slipping
enough to do that. Got it good too. Luckily it didn't puncture and the
dent is on the side, so the oil is still picking up. Only noticed it
when I was putting on my steering box skid plate.
Brad wrote:
>Ha! I think the Rubicon owns me (or at least my wallet), not the
>other way around. :-) I was taking the scenic route to Jack in the
>Box!
>
>As far as your oil pan dent, you could tell them that due to a mfg
>defect the air intake got restricted causing excessive suction in
>the crankcase through the vent hose, thus causing the oil pan to
>partially implode...
>
>So how did you dent the pan? I know people dent them but
>when I look at mine it sure seems like it would be unlikely as
>high up as it is.
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Jeez Brad.
>>
>>Dents? And mud?
>>
>>You are going to ruin the Rubicon owners reputation with that
>>
>>
>sort of
>
>
>>thing. What the heck mall was that where that happened,
>>
>>
>anyway?
>
>
>>Actually you should see my oil pan, you'ld be proud. Think I
>>
>>
>can
>
>
>>convince the Service Manager that there is a rock shaped
>>
>>
>manufacturing
>
>
>>defect in my oil pan?
>>
>>Brad wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Here's a picture of the dent in my hood along with a couple
>>>
>>>
>picts
>
>
>>>of my first attempt to hide the damage. Worked pretty well I
>>>thought. :)
>>>http://community.webshots.com/album/85615496aFJyAC
>>>
>>>Have a good day
>>>Brad
>>>
>>>
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89231 From: purple <purp8@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:46am
Subject: RE: wheel spacers
My 5 spoke steel OEM XJ/TJ 15x7 wheels were 24 lbs each and my 15x7 aluminum
American Racing wheels were 12 lbs each .
Hope this helps ,
Purple .
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From: David Cole [mailto:lists@o...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:59 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] wheel spacers
Are wheel spacers legal in Arizona and would they pass a vehicle inspection?
I'm simply considering options. My XJ is sitting and 4.5" average and I want
to push the wheels out for more stability. I would like to keep my factory
wheels as they are aluminum, but are 16x7 with 5.25" backspacing. Steel
wheels would be an option, but are heavier. In general, how much heavier is
a steel wheel compared to an equivalent aluminum wheel?
David
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89232 From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:02am
Subject: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
Date: Sunday, August 17, 2003
Time: 6:00AM - 4:30PM PDT (GMT-07:00)
Honda Magna M/C
Tools & Out door toys & Mtn Bikes Computer Stuff & Furniture
Warner & Alma School Road
in Chandler
Beat the Heat Come Early
89233 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:22am
Subject: Re: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Not THAT unlikely.....................:'
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:56 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
Ha! I think the Rubicon owns me (or at least my wallet), not the
other way around. :-) I was taking the scenic route to Jack in the
Box!
As far as your oil pan dent, you could tell them that due to a mfg
defect the air intake got restricted causing excessive suction in
the crankcase through the vent hose, thus causing the oil pan to
partially implode...
So how did you dent the pan? I know people dent them but
when I look at mine it sure seems like it would be unlikely as
high up as it is.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
wrote:
> Jeez Brad.
>
> Dents? And mud?
>
> You are going to ruin the Rubicon owners reputation with that
sort of
> thing. What the heck mall was that where that happened,
anyway?
>
> Actually you should see my oil pan, you'ld be proud. Think I
can
> convince the Service Manager that there is a rock shaped
manufacturing
> defect in my oil pan?
>
> Brad wrote:
>
> >Here's a picture of the dent in my hood along with a couple
picts
> >of my first attempt to hide the damage. Worked pretty well I
> >thought. :)
> >http://community.webshots.com/album/85615496aFJyAC
> >
> >Have a good day
> >Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
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89234 From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:55am
Subject: Re: Woohoo! I'm no longer Jeep-less!
Scott,
There's a Willys wagon with a V8 on eBay right now. It's up in
Flagstaff. It's otherwise relatively stock and would be a good base
to start from. :-)
Linda
54 wagon
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott K" <osmtj@y...> wrote:
> It was a CJ7 and it seemed like a good deal last night. I went back
> this morning to pick it up and give it a second going over. I
didn't
> sleep well over the deal so I took it for a second test drive.
After
> the test drive I still felt uncertain about this particular Jeep.
It
> had an injected straight six but I was really thinking a V8 was
more
> what I wanted. Until I buy another house in Montana (which may be a
> year or more) and can do motor and axle swaps I just didn't think I
> could live with the straight six and 2.73 gears.
>
> So I'm continuing the search. I got so excited last night. There
> absolutely will be another Jeep. Whether its an XJ, Willys, or CJ I
> don't know. Leaning towards an XJ at the moment. It would be a
great
> Moab rig.
>
> Scott K
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, chaton602phx@a... wrote:
> > is it a jeep "BRUTE"?
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
89235 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:04am
Subject: AZ_VJC Digest Replies
When replying to the AZ_VJC digest please delete everthing from the
digest except the one message you are replying too. We really don't
need to see the digest included in the next digest. It starts looking
like you are looking into parallel mirrors. Also it makes it
difficult to figure out what you are actually replying too.
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find that they very rarely lose or fail.
89236 From: Scott Tate <scott@f...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:23am
Subject: RE: XJ overheating
Scott,
you are not alone. My brother has a 91 YJ and my buddy has a
94. Both exibit the EXACT same problems that you encounter. The 4.0's
just run too hot for 112 degree Arizona days (stock). I call your
situation the 230 degree fast food drive through! My brother, in fact,
lives in LA. And, when he comes out here, he gets annoyed because his
XJ gets too hot. If I owned an XJ I would definitely take the plunge
and get an aluminum radiator. They are much cheaper than you think (4wd
hardware fools us all). A lot of VJC guys lately have been going to Ron
Davis Radiators in Glendale for just this. If you go to
www.rondavisradiators.com, you can get the number and location. They
build all of the baja stuff for Robby Gordon. Anyway, a good aluminum
radiator with a custom shroud will solve ALL of your problems. Since so
many guys are going to Ron Davis these days, I'm trying to negotiate a
VJC discount. So, if you call them, talk to Tim. And, tell him Scott
Tate sent you. (the more guys we get there the better chance we are of
getting a discount). For my entire custom setup for my YJ (Huge
radiator, custom aluminum shroud, SPAL fan, and the works), I only paid
about 500 dollars. A small price compared to 4wd hardware that charges
600+ for the Be Cool radiator by itself! Anyway, I'd even be happy to
help you put it in if you like. Let me know how it goes for you. And
give Tim a call! There is a light at the end of the 240 degree tunnel.
LOL.
Scott Tate
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Stace [mailto:jeep@a...]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:54 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] XJ overheating
Hi all,
Anyone have a suggestion for an upgrade to my radiator? I am looking for
added cooling on my XJ...
History...
I recently purchased a 1991 Laredo 4.0 litre. The dorks before me cooked
the engine so I decided to purchase a new one (rebuilt) out of Phx. The
engine seems pretty decent. To make a long story short, the first one
the manufacture shipped us ran WAY too hot it was machined 40 over.
After replacing the radiator, water pump, thermo, temp sensor, the
manufacture paid to have it pulled and sent us another one at 30 over.
This one definitely runs cooler and after about 1000 miles is much
better than the first. However, it still runs right at 210 on the
highway and in town on hot days, ends up right below the red zone. Once
we get moving for a bit, it comes back down to 210. If I put it in 4X4
and just drive up a dirt road with an incline, it ends up way too hot
again within about 1 mile and doesn't cool down unless there is no load
on the engine and we are moving along.
Additional steps I have take....
I ordered a high performance water pump from flowkooler and that is
getting installed this week. I also ordered a Robert Shaw thermostat. It
too, gets installed this week.
What I am wondering is, if anyone has any experience with the aluminum
radiators? Are they worth the money? Has anyone else had this same
problem with an XJ similar to mine? What did you do to fix the problem?
Is there a preferred radiator that anyone would recommend to me? I would
like to put a solid solution in place so I can begin building up my
trail ride again! I don't want to start doing anything until I have this
problem under control :(
Any advice/suggestions will be greatly appreciated!! Feel free to email
me direct or through the group. My private email is scott@a...
Thanks,
Scott - Tucson
1991 Jeep Cherokee Laredo
Former 1993 YJ (horribly missed)
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89237 From: Steve G. <glock45x@n...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:42am
Subject: Re: XJ overheating
My girlfriends ZJ had the same problems. We cured the problem by
reducing the antifreeze to 25%, adding a water wetter and I cut a hole
in the hood over the left side of the engine. These "tricks" should
work for you, a lot cheeper than an aluminum raditor. Get a good
quality aftermarket temp guage, the factory one's are nortorious for
very loose calibration.
Steve
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Stace" <jeep@a...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Anyone have a suggestion for an upgrade to my radiator? I am looking for
> added cooling on my XJ...
>
> History...
>
> I recently purchased a 1991 Laredo 4.0 litre. The dorks before me cooked
> the engine so I decided to purchase a new one (rebuilt) out of Phx. The
> engine seems pretty decent. To make a long story short, the first one
> the manufacture shipped us ran WAY too hot it was machined 40 over.
> After replacing the radiator, water pump, thermo, temp sensor, the
> manufacture paid to have it pulled and sent us another one at 30 over.
> This one definitely runs cooler and after about 1000 miles is much
> better than the first. However, it still runs right at 210 on the
> highway and in town on hot days, ends up right below the red zone. Once
> we get moving for a bit, it comes back down to 210. If I put it in 4X4
> and just drive up a dirt road with an incline, it ends up way too hot
> again within about 1 mile and doesn't cool down unless there is no load
> on the engine and we are moving along.
>
> Additional steps I have take....
>
> I ordered a high performance water pump from flowkooler and that is
> getting installed this week. I also ordered a Robert Shaw thermostat. It
> too, gets installed this week.
>
> What I am wondering is, if anyone has any experience with the aluminum
> radiators? Are they worth the money? Has anyone else had this same
> problem with an XJ similar to mine? What did you do to fix the problem?
> Is there a preferred radiator that anyone would recommend to me? I would
> like to put a solid solution in place so I can begin building up my
> trail ride again! I don't want to start doing anything until I have this
> problem under control :(
>
> Any advice/suggestions will be greatly appreciated!! Feel free to email
> me direct or through the group. My private email is scott@a...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott - Tucson
> 1991 Jeep Cherokee Laredo
> Former 1993 YJ (horribly missed)
89238 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:03am
Subject: Re: Shocks
Well you really need to ramp the Jeep and get the compressed and extended
measures that your individual Jeep needs.
If you're switching suspensions and lifts soon, why not just extend the
bumpstops enough such that you don't overcompress you existing shocks
anymore ??
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gallagher" <GIThunder81@c...>
To: "Yahoo VJC Group" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:51 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Shocks
> Anyone have any extra rear shocks for a TJ? I have a 4 in lift. The
> shocks I have now are to long and bottom out when I hit any sort of big
> bump in the road and I have already destroyed one shock mount and had to
> have it re welded. I am getting a rock krawler 7 in lift soon so I just
> need something to get me by for the time being. thanx
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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89239 From: Darwin Martin <darwinkmartin@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:23am
Subject: Help!! Need cheaper price to paint doors
I got one reply for a body shop to paint my doors and
haven't been able to locate him.
I have been getting prices of 300.00 per door to paint
them. I am buying the doors for around 500.00.
Does anyone have any ideas? Or a shop?
Thanks in advance!!
-Darwin Martin
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89240 From: Keith <khaw@n...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:35am
Subject: RE: XJ overheating
Believe it or not 210 isn't all that hot for a XJ. The electric fan
doesn't even kick in till then unless your running the a/c. Make sure
the fan clutch electric fan and overflow system are good. Might try a 3
core radiator. I got mine from radiators.com for $120 delivered to my
door next day. Hood vents help also.
Keith
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89241 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:12am
Subject: Running hot
I had cooling problems with my TJ, went to a 3 core full brass radiator, and had a machine shop make a spacer to replace the clutch fan, so my fan turns constant with engine speed. It still runs 210, but does not climb above that at idle (my original problem, with a/c on at idle, it would go up 240, if you can trust the factory gages)
Also, my A/c seems to blow colder air.
Put in new pump, new thermostat (180).
Over all, I like how it runs cooler when crawling/going slow off road, even with A/C.
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
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89242 From: kmichael02 <kmichael02@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:14am
Subject: Re: Reminder - Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
COULD YOU EMAIL ME SPECIFIC DIRECTIONS, I'LL COME BY AND TAKE A
LOOK...kmichael02@y...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Yard Sale with A FEW Off Road Toys
>
> Date: Sunday, August 17, 2003
> Time: 6:00AM - 4:30PM PDT (GMT-07:00)
>
> Honda Magna M/C
> Tools & Out door toys & Mtn Bikes Computer Stuff & Furniture
> Warner & Alma School Road
> in Chandler
> Beat the Heat Come Early
89243 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:31am
Subject: RE: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
thanks Joe
I guess I am guilty of worrying that most folks will only listen to half of
your advice....the part that said you can weld a skid plate onto your oil
pan. The part I believe too many folks might ignore is that they need to
have John weld it on because he knows what he is doing.
As you pointed out so well, my friend didn't do the welds correctly....and
he certainly thought he could do it himself. (He is batting 1000 per your
scenario.) Call me paranoid but I fear that too many other people will do
just like him....he was a Jeeper on a budget trying to save himself a few
bucks (a lot of folks fall into that category).
So....I worry that someone with less than the necessary skills will weld his
own skid on and then go run some trails. At some point, he smacks it on the
rocks and it begins to leak slowly. He leaves behind him a 1/4 mile long
oil track. Finally, the oil is mostly gone and the oil gauge indicates low
pressure. With luck, he sees it and stops before he his engine. Worse yet,
he has his family/kids with him, and now they are stuck too. Hopefully he
is running with friends that can tow his rig out and get him and his family
home without any further problems.
Does the above sound like a fairy tale? I don't think so....it describes
what happened to my friend (just like you said).
The way I see it....the above would not have had to happen if he had bolted
on the oil skid. Simple to do and so damn hard to screw up. As you pointed
out....it is easy to mess up the welds...and that is what I worry about
someone else doing. Oil spills, stranded vehicles and family members....is
it really worth it for the small dollar savings on the skid? I don't think
it does. And so, I will continue to recommend a bolt on skid....its just
too hard for the DIYer to mess that up.
Kind regards too,
Stu
p.s. I've spent time with bio degreaser, a scrub brush, and a water bottle,
walking our rock washes and cleaning up the oil spills. If I can suggest a
method that reduces the chance of oil spills, I certainly will.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:57 AM
> To: 'Stu Olson'; 'Kent Warner'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
>
>
> Stu,
>
>
> Welding a skid to the bottom and up the sides of an oil pan is a sound
> method of protecting your oil pan. If the weld is good, the weld
> locations are sound and the plate is designed correctly, it will prevent
> damage to your oil pan much in the way that corner guards protect your
> rig; by spreading out point loads to a broader surface area.
>
> I suspect your friend had a couple of problems:
>
> 1. Insufficient weld area which could concentrate impact forces over a
> narrow weld causing higher point loads and cracked welds.
>
> 2. Poor welds.
>
> 3. The skid plate was not designed properly to be in contact with the
> bottom of the oil pan; any air gap at all between the bottom of the skid
> and the oil pan will again cause higher point loads at the welds since
> the skid plate cannot disperse the load over the entire area of the oil
> pan.
>
> I don't even have to examine your friend's design to know that it was a
> poor one if he cracked welds and it leaked. I'm relatively sure that
> your friend thought "How simple is this... I'll just tack this plate up
> here and it will protect me" without considering many (if any) of the
> design considerations I brought up above. If you care to post a picture
> of his design, I'd be happy to point out where he went wrong.
>
> The additional benefits of welding a skid to the bottom of your oil pan
> include:
>
> 1. Less Expensive.
> 2. More ground clearance.
> 3. Broader range of design choices.
>
> John at Hunter Offroad knows how to design and install these skids at a
> VERY reasonable cost... and while I don't know how many he has done...
> I've NEVER heard of anyone in our group breaking one and having oil
> leak... and I suspect we have some pretty hardcore people with welded
> skids on their oil pan.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:23 PM
> To: 'Kent Warner'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
>
> I would never weld a skid to my oil pan. What do you think happens when
> you hit the pan hard enough to crack a weld? Yep, you got it...the oil
> runs out of the crack. A friend of mine did that once....never again.
> There are good oil pan skids, such as the Tera (believe it or not), that
> will do a very good job and you don't have to compromise your engine oil
> in the process.
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:20 PM
> To: 'Kent Warner'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
>
> Take your rig to Hunter Offroad and have John weld on a skid to your oil
> pan... He can do it relatively inexpensively, quickly, and you'll get a
> great deal more protection. John is so quick that there is relatively
> little heat transferred to the oil. Mine has taken a few great whacks
> and no problems.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:11 PM
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
>
> Not actually sure when I dented the oil pan, I think it was on a night
> run on Raw Deal (upper), that is the only time I remember slipping
> enough to do that. Got it good too. Luckily it didn't puncture and the
>
> dent is on the side, so the oil is still picking up. Only noticed it
> when I was putting on my steering box skid plate.
>
> Brad wrote:
>
> >Ha! I think the Rubicon owns me (or at least my wallet), not the
> >other way around. :-) I was taking the scenic route to Jack in the
> >Box!
> >
> >As far as your oil pan dent, you could tell them that due to a mfg
> >defect the air intake got restricted causing excessive suction in
> >the crankcase through the vent hose, thus causing the oil pan to
> >partially implode...
> >
> >So how did you dent the pan? I know people dent them but
> >when I look at mine it sure seems like it would be unlikely as
> >high up as it is.
> >
> >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...>
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Jeez Brad.
> >>
> >>Dents? And mud?
> >>
> >>You are going to ruin the Rubicon owners reputation with that
> >>
> >>
> >sort of
> >
> >
> >>thing. What the heck mall was that where that happened,
> >>
> >>
> >anyway?
> >
> >
> >>Actually you should see my oil pan, you'ld be proud. Think I
> >>
> >>
> >can
> >
> >
> >>convince the Service Manager that there is a rock shaped
> >>
> >>
> >manufacturing
> >
> >
> >>defect in my oil pan?
> >>
> >>Brad wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Here's a picture of the dent in my hood along with a couple
> >>>
> >>>
> >picts
> >
> >
> >>>of my first attempt to hide the damage. Worked pretty well I
> >>>thought. :)
> >>>http://community.webshots.com/album/85615496aFJyAC
> >>>
> >>>Have a good day
> >>>Brad
> >>>
> >>>
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89244 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:45am
Subject: RE: Running hot
I still do not understand what all of you are talking about when you say AC?
What is that? I know about the AC as in electrical but in a Jeep?
:-)
Joe Kearney
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@h...]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:13 AM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc] Running hot
I had cooling problems with my TJ, went to a 3 core full brass radiator, and
had a machine shop make a spacer to replace the clutch fan, so my fan turns
constant with engine speed. It still runs 210, but does not climb above
that at idle (my original problem, with a/c on at idle, it would go up 240,
if you can trust the factory gages)
Also, my A/c seems to blow colder air.
Put in new pump, new thermostat (180).
Over all, I like how it runs cooler when crawling/going slow off road, even
with A/C.
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
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89245 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:48am
Subject: RE: STL Permits
Sorry, no...........
The only place you can now purchase permits is at the land dept. at 1616 W.
Adams, via mail or from the Public Lands Information Center at 222 N.
Central.
The workshop next weekend is partly geared to the "HOW TO's" to get the
permits in working order and management........ will also be working on an
OHV permit that will supercede the ASLD permit ..........????????
My suggestion is to write a "polite" but firm letter indicating you are NOT
HAPPY about not being able to purchase a state land permit. You realize
they are to be available via the internet soon but there are hundreds of
recreationists out there that cannot drive downtown............
Please do not mention mine or Tammy's name specifically.............. just
request the 4x4 stores and organization representatives be allowed to
continue to sell permits.
Mark Winkleman is Commissioner: mwinklm@l...
Chuck Hudson, OHV Manager: chudson@l...
Bill Dowdle, Resources Manager: (GREAT GUY) bdowdle@l...
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pennock Leonard-P16761 [mailto:L.Pennock@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: 'mccullen@w...'
> Cc: Home (leonardpennock@c...)
> Subject: STL Permits
>
>
> Do you have STL permits. Would like to get a new one before CK
> this weekend.
>
>
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89246 From: Smitty <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:31am
Subject: Re: Re: CK 9:00 run meeting spot/correction
Sharky,
What? Do you need that extra half hour for the HUGE breakfast, and enough time for them to prepare the to-go meal..
LOL
Smitty
sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...> wrote:
Actually it might be better if we meet there at 7:00 to assure
enough time to eat.
Sharky
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "sharxjeep" wrote:
> Hello all, I was thinking that we all can meet at Dennys resturaunt
> at I17 and Deer Valley at 7:30 sat. morning for breakfast then Jeep-
a-
> van to the trail from there, we can all chat and have some food to
> start off a great day. Im looking for a head count to confirm the
> number of Jeeps going so please respond to me off list.
>
> Thank you and look forward to seeing you all Sat.
> Sharky & The McNasty McWrangler
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89247 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:02am
Subject: [FS] Vendor Items Added
<p>
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Hello Members of the AzVJC,<br>
AirHoseSupply.com has just added some items to the Classified section of the AzVJC Website that may be of
interest to you. To see these items
<a href='http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=X&ID=ForSale/default.asp?C=10'>
Click Here
</a>
or goto the website classifieds and select 'Vendor' from the list.<br>
Thank You,<br><br>
- The AzVJC Website<br><br>
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89248 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:09am
Subject: RE: Re: Hey Scott, here's the picture...
hehe...
Well... since both you and I have taken the time to point out the potential
problems... hopefully Joe Jeeper who reads this stuff (actually, I wonder if
anybody actually reads the crap I write or if they just automatically send
it to the trash file <grin>) will look at the things to avoid and make sure
they do it correctly.
The reason I recommended this mod is because, if done correctly, it is
cheaper, better (ground clearance, easy to make work with just about any
combination of lift and other mods which may impact an "off the shelf" bolt
on skid) and gives business to a local shop (okay... so I like Hunter
Offroad :) ).
To be quite honest with you... I would not recommend that the average Wally
Welder tack a skid on their oil pan... the chances of perforating the
relatively thin sheet metal of the oil pan, igniting the oil fumes caused by
the heat of the weld bead and turning someone's Jeep into a pile of rubble
(and maybe their house and their neighbor's house and.... well; you get the
point) are too high.
For the stock guys who know that a bolt-on skid will work (i.e. no custom
lift, no body lift, no custom skids, etc) your suggestion is the simplest.
I think for most everyone else, paying the $50 bucks (or whatever it is) and
having John at Hunter Offroad do the work is by far the best solution for
oil pan puncture insurance.
Thanks for your comments Stu... discussions like this ultimately make
everyone aware of the possibilities... which is good no matter what.
Kind Regards,
Joe
Stu wrote:
thanks Joe
I guess I am guilty of worrying that most folks will only listen to half of
your advice....
<snip>
89249 From: Jeff Trujillo <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:46am
Subject: Re: The coves
Now that OT was worth the laugh. LMAO Thanks Jeff CamoXJ I need to
run into those kinds of "Dears" when I go this month LOL--- In
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lindsey" <azrubi@a...> wrote:
> Sorry for the OT. Hehe, couldn't resist...
>
> Several years back I was bow hunting up in Elk Park Meadows area.
> Strollin' along, in full camo, enjoying the quite when I heard a
noisy
> truck approaching. So, I sat on a stump to wait for the vehicle to
> pass. Instead, it pulls up about 10 yards in front of me.
Two "dears"
> get out and use the truck as a shield from the road (but, on my
side) and
> proceed to show me that they are "white tail dears".
>
> I decided not to move and embarass them and they just got back in
and
> drove away.
>
> I wasn't even disappointed that those were the only "dears" I saw
that
> trip. Camo is amazing... ;-)
>
> Take care,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Axtell <tony@i...>
> To:
> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:15:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: The coves
>
> > On a more positive note about the coves,
> >
> > At the last cove not sure the number, the one with the rocky
descend
> > to the wash with the pretty canyon.
> >
> > We parked in the shade under a paloverde tree, my jeep is camo
> > green,
> > hides very well. We watched a female mule deer walk about 10
yards in
> > front of us and took a drink of water from the cove. She was a
big and
> > beautiful. We watched her for about 10 minutes until she headed
back up
> > the wash.
> >
> > Sandee McCullen wrote:
> > > No.......... Arizona has one OHV Fee Area and that's the
Safford Hot
> > Well
> > > Dunes Recreation area. There are a number of BLM Camp grounds,
boat
> > ramps
> > > and hiking trails that are Fee but no OHV............... yet.
> > Sandee
> > >
> > >
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Dave King [mailto:daveaz@a...]
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:53 AM
> > >>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: The coves were disgusting
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I don't think I have ever been to this area, do you have to pay
a fee
> > >>to go there?
> > >>
> > >>Dave
> > >>
> > >>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Most definitely! If OHV folks continue cleaning up the
boaters'
> > >>
> > >>mess
> > >>
> > >>>then the boaters will continue littering.
> > >>>
> > >>>-Roger
> > >>>
> > >>>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen"
<mccullen@c...>
> > >>>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>It might be time to start a campaign to connect with the
> > >>>>boating group through the docks and let them know they must
> > >>>>join in and "respect our lands".....
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > .
> > >
> >
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> >
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89250 From: xxnickthedickxx <squarelights@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:48am
Subject: Nice TJ for sale
99 6cyl 40k Tan with Black soft top. 4"lift with 33 Mt's aluminum
wheels. excellent condition. call ryan 480.330.9594
I can email pics
thanks,
nick l.
89251 From: sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:53am
Subject: Re: CK 9:00 run meeting spot/correction
Oh grasshorrer...you soooooo funny... LOL
Sharky (ordering ahead)
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Smitty <jeepinsmitty@y...> wrote:
> Sharky,
> What? Do you need that extra half hour for the HUGE breakfast, and
enough time for them to prepare the to-go meal..
> LOL
>
> Smitty
>
>
> sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...> wrote:
> Actually it might be better if we meet there at 7:00 to assure
> enough time to eat.
>
> Sharky
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "sharxjeep" wrote:
> > Hello all, I was thinking that we all can meet at Dennys
resturaunt
> > at I17 and Deer Valley at 7:30 sat. morning for breakfast then
Jeep-
> a-
> > van to the trail from there, we can all chat and have some food
to
> > start off a great day. Im looking for a head count to confirm the
> > number of Jeeps going so please respond to me off list.
> >
> > Thank you and look forward to seeing you all Sat.
> > Sharky & The McNasty McWrangler
>
>
>
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