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89027 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 8:02pm
Subject: Cracks run /who will be camping
Just wanted to get a jeep count on who will be camping out on the Cracks run in Sept
so far 4 of us are leaving Friday morn the 12th & do a moon night run
if any one is interested in going up Friday please respond
THANKS RICK BEER
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89028 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 4:24pm
Subject: Re: Re: The coves were disgusting
Hey Scott, I'm American of Cuban decent, born and raised in Phoenix as was my
Father and my Mother from Gilbert. My family is from Cuba, Spain, Mexico, and
Columbia. you cant say I'm prejudice bro. I just feel that "The majority" of
immigrants that come to America, come illegally. They come here in search of a
better life and such but they go about it all wrong. if a native Mexican or
any immigrant for that matter comes to the US, then go about it the right way
and the legal way. I work around native Mexicans each and every day, and some
of the guys I talk to are documented. let me put it to you this way-------even
the documented native Mexicans are downing the illegals because of the way
they enter our country and go about it the wrong way. illegals are living here
free of charge (without paying taxes), taking all our health and welfare and
taking full advantage of it because we cant turn them down because of a humanity
thingy. I guess you can say that I give great respect to those who come to
our country and go through the long and hard process of getting their green card
and becoming a citizen of the united states, those are the people that
respect our country our laws and value what the US has to offer. illegals come, take
advantage of the system, use OUR tax dollars, do whatever they want and can
go back to Mexico after they did whatever here in the US.
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89029 From: Jeff Trujillo <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:10pm
Subject: Re: The coves were disgusting
Amen, but this isnt a political debate forum, this is a jeep forum.
So lets get back to jeeps LOL I go to the coves quite a bit and I
also pack out some trash, I have been to most of the cleanups and
will continue to do so. I feel if the coves are in desperate need of
cleaning then why does it need to be publicized? Lets get some trash
bags and people and go clean the dang place. Yea, I dont like the
idea of cleaning someone elses trash in 110 degree weather but its
that or not being able to go to the lake and cool off in 110 degree
weather after they close it! Thats how I see it. It doesnt need to be
a family affair. It doesnt need to be a picnic. It just needs to
be.......cleaned up!! Lets do something about it. Jeff CamoXJ--- In
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, chaton602phx@a... wrote:
> Hey Scott, I'm American of Cuban decent, born and raised in Phoenix
as was my
> Father and my Mother from Gilbert. My family is from Cuba, Spain,
Mexico, and
> Columbia. you cant say I'm prejudice bro. I just feel that "The
majority" of
> immigrants that come to America, come illegally. They come here in
search of a
> better life and such but they go about it all wrong. if a native
Mexican or
> any immigrant for that matter comes to the US, then go about it the
right way
> and the legal way. I work around native Mexicans each and every
day, and some
> of the guys I talk to are documented. let me put it to you this way-
------even
> the documented native Mexicans are downing the illegals because of
the way
> they enter our country and go about it the wrong way. illegals are
living here
> free of charge (without paying taxes), taking all our health and
welfare and
> taking full advantage of it because we cant turn them down because
of a humanity
> thingy. I guess you can say that I give great respect to those who
come to
> our country and go through the long and hard process of getting
their green card
> and becoming a citizen of the united states, those are the people
that
> respect our country our laws and value what the US has to offer.
illegals come, take
> advantage of the system, use OUR tax dollars, do whatever they want
and can
> go back to Mexico after they did whatever here in the US.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
89030 From: Jeff Trujillo <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:13pm
Subject: Re: The coves were disgusting
I forgot to add that we could pass out trash bags to the trash out
there and maybe they will pick some up also. Kind of like educating
them along with helping clean the area they love to trash. Jeff
CamoXJ --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Trujillo"
<jeff.trujillo@m...> wrote:
> Amen, but this isnt a political debate forum, this is a jeep forum.
> So lets get back to jeeps LOL I go to the coves quite a bit and I
> also pack out some trash, I have been to most of the cleanups and
> will continue to do so. I feel if the coves are in desperate need
of
> cleaning then why does it need to be publicized? Lets get some
trash
> bags and people and go clean the dang place. Yea, I dont like the
> idea of cleaning someone elses trash in 110 degree weather but its
> that or not being able to go to the lake and cool off in 110 degree
> weather after they close it! Thats how I see it. It doesnt need to
be
> a family affair. It doesnt need to be a picnic. It just needs to
> be.......cleaned up!! Lets do something about it. Jeff CamoXJ--- In
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, chaton602phx@a... wrote:
> > Hey Scott, I'm American of Cuban decent, born and raised in
Phoenix
> as was my
> > Father and my Mother from Gilbert. My family is from Cuba, Spain,
> Mexico, and
> > Columbia. you cant say I'm prejudice bro. I just feel that "The
> majority" of
> > immigrants that come to America, come illegally. They come here
in
> search of a
> > better life and such but they go about it all wrong. if a native
> Mexican or
> > any immigrant for that matter comes to the US, then go about it
the
> right way
> > and the legal way. I work around native Mexicans each and every
> day, and some
> > of the guys I talk to are documented. let me put it to you this
way-
> ------even
> > the documented native Mexicans are downing the illegals because
of
> the way
> > they enter our country and go about it the wrong way. illegals
are
> living here
> > free of charge (without paying taxes), taking all our health and
> welfare and
> > taking full advantage of it because we cant turn them down
because
> of a humanity
> > thingy. I guess you can say that I give great respect to those
who
> come to
> > our country and go through the long and hard process of getting
> their green card
> > and becoming a citizen of the united states, those are the people
> that
> > respect our country our laws and value what the US has to offer.
> illegals come, take
> > advantage of the system, use OUR tax dollars, do whatever they
want
> and can
> > go back to Mexico after they did whatever here in the US.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
89031 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: The coves were disgusting
your right, this isnt a political issue. so lets talk about jeeps again. I'm
getting ready to paint mine. keep your eyes open for a tech post, alot of you
dont want to miss this.
Anthony
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89032 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:06pm
Subject: [OT] whatever you are talking about was: The coves were disgusting
Jeffs right.This should have been changed to OT the second it turned into
the crapper.
Rather than run the debate about all this OT post stuff again. I think I
will just say in the words of my many spanish friends "Adios Amigos". Its
been fun.
I will still check the runs on the webpage and see you guys on the trail
from time to time.
Everyone else already knows how to reach me if need be.
LATERZ,
Frank
http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>From: "Jeff Trujillo" <jeff.trujillo@m...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: The coves were disgusting
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 04:10:45 -0000
>
>Amen, but this isnt a political debate forum, this is a jeep forum.
>So lets get back to jeeps LOL I go to the coves quite a bit and I
>also pack out some trash, I have been to most of the cleanups and
>will continue to do so. I feel if the coves are in desperate need of
>cleaning then why does it need to be publicized? Lets get some trash
>bags and people and go clean the dang place. Yea, I dont like the
>idea of cleaning someone elses trash in 110 degree weather but its
>that or not being able to go to the lake and cool off in 110 degree
>weather after they close it! Thats how I see it. It doesnt need to be
>a family affair. It doesnt need to be a picnic. It just needs to
>be.......cleaned up!! Lets do something about it. Jeff CamoXJ--- In
>az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, chaton602phx@a... wrote:
> > Hey Scott, I'm American of Cuban decent, born and raised in Phoenix
>as was my
> > Father and my Mother from Gilbert. My family is from Cuba, Spain,
>Mexico, and
> > Columbia. you cant say I'm prejudice bro. I just feel that "The
>majority" of
> > immigrants that come to America, come illegally. They come here in
>search of a
> > better life and such but they go about it all wrong. if a native
>Mexican or
> > any immigrant for that matter comes to the US, then go about it the
>right way
> > and the legal way. I work around native Mexicans each and every
>day, and some
> > of the guys I talk to are documented. let me put it to you this way-
>------even
> > the documented native Mexicans are downing the illegals because of
>the way
> > they enter our country and go about it the wrong way. illegals are
>living here
> > free of charge (without paying taxes), taking all our health and
>welfare and
> > taking full advantage of it because we cant turn them down because
>of a humanity
> > thingy. I guess you can say that I give great respect to those who
>come to
> > our country and go through the long and hard process of getting
>their green card
> > and becoming a citizen of the united states, those are the people
>that
> > respect our country our laws and value what the US has to offer.
>illegals come, take
> > advantage of the system, use OUR tax dollars, do whatever they want
>and can
> > go back to Mexico after they did whatever here in the US.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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89033 From: jeff misischia <g4mannn@y...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:29pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003 - Reminder
so,joey, are you able to camp and are you bringin the
kids?
--- DesertJeep <joey@d...> wrote:
>
>
> Please remember to sign up for the main "run" so we
> can get an accurate
> count.
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=955
>
> Also Cindy's Café is expecting us. This is the
> kitchen in the rear of
> the old Saloon. She may even have breakfast for
> those staying overnight.
>
> Joey K
> http://www.desertjeep.com
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:09 PM
> To: AzVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant
> - Saturday, August
> 16, 2003 - Reminder
>
>
> Hello All,Joey Kulich is leading a Crown King from
> Lake Pleasant trail
> run on Saturday, August 16, 2003.
> When: Saturday the 16th of August
> Where: Meeting at various orgins and times to
> converge on Crown King
> Rating: 3.0-
> Length: ALL DAY
> CB Channel:
>
> Annual Crown King Run
>
> This is it. Another year to make our way to Crown
> King. Come join the
> camaraderie and adventure. Here is a chance to enjoy
> cool temps and
> hospitality of Crown King. What better setting to
> see the faces of the
> people behind the emails.
>
> Sign up here to be counted then sign up for a run
> you can make (below).
> Last year we had several runs starting at various
> times and locations.
> There will be runs starting from Lake Pleasent,
> Turkey Creek, Senetor
> Highway from Prescott or even the Crown King road.
>
> 6:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Early Bird Run
> Lead by Hackle
>
> 7:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Stu
> Olson
>
> 8:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Kent
> Warner
>
> 9:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Sharky
>
> 10:00 AM Lake Pleasant to Crown King Lead by Kevin's
> Carr
>
> 11:00 AM
>
> 1:30 PM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by
> Leonard Pennock
>
> 7:00 AM Turkey Creek Lead by Joey K</font>
>
> If you are intrested in leading a run from a
> different location or time
> post it.
>
>
> I just wanted to send this message and I or someone
> else will
> send it again before the trip. The trail times are
> when the group
> leaves. If you sign up for my early bird run at 6:00
> and show up at 6:05
> you will be well behind the group and probably be
> aired down and ready
> when Stu leaves at 7:00. We will have a lot of
> vehicles on the trail at
> the same time and need to be on time to keep each
> group separate from
> the others. Of course everyone wants to be well
> ahead of Sharky as we
> all know how his trips to Crown King end up. BTW
> anyone that is an EMT
> might want to think about joining Sharky's
> group:)<br>
> Jim F. aka Hackle
>
> Bring your camera, pleanty of water and your
> intelligents.
>
> More details to follow as details get ironed
> out.<br>
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local
> favorite. On any given
> weekend, there will be numerous groups of four
> wheelers, ATV's and
> motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a
> fun and scenic trail
> into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. <a
> href="../Main/History.asp">This trail was the first
> trip ever done by
> AzVJC.</a>
>
> The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd
> and travels through
> the foot hills and up the side of the mountain,
> giving nice views of
> Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher
> optional sections
> that can make it interesting.
>
> The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort
> Misery and Oro Belle,
> both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the
> Bradshaw Mountains.
> All that remains now, are foundations and a few
> crumbling walls. Fort
> Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as
> the small creek
> usually has running water and there are trees to
> provide shade.
>
> In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery
> through Oro Belle to
> Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the
> summer, an early
> start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising
> temperatures.
>
> Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through
> the cool pines and
> into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to
> eat and have a drink,
> and a general store that sells some excellent fudge.
> The old Crown King
> Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later
> hauled up (many years
> ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the
> saloon was built into
> the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly
> accessable from the
> rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs
> served as a place
> repose for women of ill fame.
>
> There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near
> Crown King for those
> wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is
> via the main road
> which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee.
> You can split off and
> go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to
> the Freeway quicker,
> or keep going strait and go through the little town
> of Bumble Bee.
>
> Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway
> toward Prescott or
> Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during
> snow season. If you
> have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through
> Crown King and up to
> the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent
> views and you can
> join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
>
> Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
>
> Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=955
> Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up
> List
> Thank You,
>
> - The AzVJC Website
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
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89034 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 6:40pm
Subject: MY JEEP GOES UNDER THE GUN!.
Well, the time has come that the jeep gets a complete makeover (paint wise).
After the Anniversary run the jeep is going to get a major change cosmetically
to prepare for a trip to encenada, Mexico with a local bike club from
phoenix. I wanted to match my bike color exactly just for oooo's and ahhh's I'll be
painting the same color as my Honda CBR900RR as seen on the picture attached,
before and after. I'll be more than happy to show a few members some
techniques, do's and don'ts, so forth and so on. I'll be posting it later as a workshop
deal, but I need to get it prepared first. the color is a lexus titanium with
a brilliant metallic. Details of the paint I'll be using will be explained at
the workshop. Keep your eyes peeled for the posting.
Anthony C.
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89035 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:39pm
Subject: It's Time to Circle the Wagons
Show if you can................... we must be HEARD!!! S.
Moderator's Note:
Last summer it was in Oregon where a forest fire consumed a
designated wilderness area plus extensive acreage.
Now, the President is back pushing the Healthy Forest Initiative
while Congress (actually the Senate) prefers to to see the West go up
in flames.
It is time for the liberal Senate (Democrat and Republican alike) to
hear from concerned citizens to stop the flames. Clear the forests,
protect the environment and protect human lives.
**************************************
It's Time to Circle the Wagons
August 10, 2003 By Kathy Gibson Boatman
Last week I learned President Bush will be coming to Summerhaven,
Arizona on August 11. I was elated to hear it, but a feeling of
concern accompanied that elation.
President Bush is touring the community of Summerhaven, atop Mount
Lemmon as the town tries to recuperate from the wildfire that ripped
families and businesses as well as animals and birds from their
environment. The presidential visit will provide support for the
Healthy Forest Bill coming before the Senate in September.
Radical environmentalists, antiwar protesters, women's rights groups
and some local democrats are expected to join together pulling in as
many opposing groups as possible, including members of the Gay
community. They are planning a protest at the base of Sabino Canyon
near the forest service visitor's center, starting at 8:00 am.
I believe it is time for us to fight back and quit letting blonde
boys with dread locks and radical activists rule our country. The
activists were quoted in the Arizona Daily Star saying, "We think it
is important for him to see the faces of patriotic Americans who are
opposed to his agenda, even if he only sees us when he turns on the
TV in his hotel room," they also say they want to give people
something to think about.
In the past year of research, there is one thing I have learned. The
radical groups have joined together, become very effective with the
media,and they aren't afraid to stand up and speak their mind even if
that means they do it at a protest. Funny thing, the Media loves a
Protest and we really should give them something to think about.
I know I have at least a wagon load of research and burned remnants
of my childhood home. I will load my wagon, with the notebooks of
material that I have gathered documenting the damage the
environmentalists are doing. I will take the protest signs from the
rally in Flagstaff where Arizona citizens stood up for their beliefs
and showed support for efforts to remedy the forest problems.
Pioneers in my family came to this state by wagon. They were farmers,
cattlemen, businessmen, miners and schoolteachers. They were the kind
of people that made this country what it is today. When treacherous
events happened along the trail they would circle the wagons, gather
their resources and work together.
I believe the challenges facing America are just as critical today as
they were when the wolves were at the door in historic days.
It is time to circle the wagons. Start educating the general public
about the problems facing our country and the ramifications of doing
nothing. Our forests are in a deplorable state and they are just one
example of the problems facing our country nationwide. Special
interests influence or control numerous parts of America and should
cause concern for us all.
Our economy as well as our power sources, food sources,
military,borders, religion, property rights and basic American
freedom are under assault.
This affects us all, and it is time for those with common sense to
stand up and fight back. I want President Bush, the media and my
fellow citizens to know common sense has a voice in Arizona!
I will fight back, will you? Bring your wagons or your strollers,
wear your red, white and blue it's time to circle the wagons and do
our part for America.
Parking will probably fill up fast, so plan to arrive early. The
visitors center on Sabino Canyon Road will be a great place to stand
up for American values!
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs,
United Four Wheel Drive Associations, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Moderator, MUIRNet - Multiple Use Information Resource Network
To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to MUIRNet, send email to john@m....
A fundamental law of public land access is:
Increased habitat designation for threatened and endangered species
is directly proportional to loss of access to public lands.
89036 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:42pm
Subject: RE: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003 - Reminder
Right on. I am camping and have the whole family ready to pack in the
Jeep. I got a couple of spacious XJs carrying some equipment for me so
it should be a lot of fun. Now if I can just find that other tent. :)
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: jeff misischia [mailto:g4mannn@y...]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:29 PM
To: joey@d...; 'AzVJC'
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday,
August 16, 2003 - Reminder
so,joey, are you able to camp and are you bringin the
kids?
--- DesertJeep <joey@d...> wrote:
>
>
> Please remember to sign up for the main "run" so we
> can get an accurate
> count.
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=955
>
> Also Cindy's Café is expecting us. This is the
> kitchen in the rear of
> the old Saloon. She may even have breakfast for
> those staying overnight.
>
> Joey K
> http://www.desertjeep.com
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:09 PM
> To: AzVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant
> - Saturday, August
> 16, 2003 - Reminder
>
>
> Hello All,Joey Kulich is leading a Crown King from
> Lake Pleasant trail
> run on Saturday, August 16, 2003.
> When: Saturday the 16th of August
> Where: Meeting at various orgins and times to
> converge on Crown King
> Rating: 3.0-
> Length: ALL DAY
> CB Channel:
>
> Annual Crown King Run
>
> This is it. Another year to make our way to Crown
> King. Come join the
> camaraderie and adventure. Here is a chance to enjoy
> cool temps and
> hospitality of Crown King. What better setting to
> see the faces of the
> people behind the emails.
>
> Sign up here to be counted then sign up for a run
> you can make (below).
> Last year we had several runs starting at various
> times and locations.
> There will be runs starting from Lake Pleasent,
> Turkey Creek, Senetor
> Highway from Prescott or even the Crown King road.
>
> 6:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Early Bird Run
> Lead by Hackle
>
> 7:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Stu
> Olson
>
> 8:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Kent
> Warner
>
> 9:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Sharky
>
> 10:00 AM Lake Pleasant to Crown King Lead by Kevin's
> Carr
>
> 11:00 AM
>
> 1:30 PM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by
> Leonard Pennock
>
> 7:00 AM Turkey Creek Lead by Joey K</font>
>
> If you are intrested in leading a run from a
> different location or time
> post it.
>
>
> I just wanted to send this message and I or someone
> else will
> send it again before the trip. The trail times are
> when the group
> leaves. If you sign up for my early bird run at 6:00
> and show up at 6:05
> you will be well behind the group and probably be
> aired down and ready
> when Stu leaves at 7:00. We will have a lot of
> vehicles on the trail at
> the same time and need to be on time to keep each
> group separate from
> the others. Of course everyone wants to be well
> ahead of Sharky as we
> all know how his trips to Crown King end up. BTW
> anyone that is an EMT
> might want to think about joining Sharky's
> group:)<br>
> Jim F. aka Hackle
>
> Bring your camera, pleanty of water and your
> intelligents.
>
> More details to follow as details get ironed
> out.<br>
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local
> favorite. On any given
> weekend, there will be numerous groups of four
> wheelers, ATV's and
> motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a
> fun and scenic trail
> into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. <a
> href="../Main/History.asp">This trail was the first trip ever done by
> AzVJC.</a>
>
> The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd
> and travels through
> the foot hills and up the side of the mountain,
> giving nice views of
> Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher
> optional sections
> that can make it interesting.
>
> The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort
> Misery and Oro Belle,
> both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the
> Bradshaw Mountains.
> All that remains now, are foundations and a few
> crumbling walls. Fort
> Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as
> the small creek
> usually has running water and there are trees to
> provide shade.
>
> In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery
> through Oro Belle to
> Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the
> summer, an early
> start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising
> temperatures.
>
> Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through
> the cool pines and
> into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to
> eat and have a drink,
> and a general store that sells some excellent fudge.
> The old Crown King
> Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later
> hauled up (many years
> ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the
> saloon was built into
> the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly
> accessable from the
> rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs
> served as a place
> repose for women of ill fame.
>
> There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near
> Crown King for those
> wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is
> via the main road
> which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee.
> You can split off and
> go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to
> the Freeway quicker,
> or keep going strait and go through the little town
> of Bumble Bee.
>
> Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway
> toward Prescott or
> Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during
> snow season. If you
> have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through
> Crown King and up to
> the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent
> views and you can
> join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
>
> Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
>
> Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
>
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> List
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>
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89037 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:50pm
Subject: RE: MY JEEP GOES UNDER THE GUN!.
Wouldn't have been easier/cheaper to paint the bike the color of the
Jeep?? :)
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602phx@a... [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:40 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] MY JEEP GOES UNDER THE GUN!.
Well, the time has come that the jeep gets a complete makeover (paint
wise).
After the Anniversary run the jeep is going to get a major change
cosmetically
to prepare for a trip to encenada, Mexico with a local bike club from
phoenix. I wanted to match my bike color exactly just for oooo's and
ahhh's I'll be
painting the same color as my Honda CBR900RR as seen on the picture
attached,
before and after. I'll be more than happy to show a few members some
techniques, do's and don'ts, so forth and so on. I'll be posting it
later as a workshop
deal, but I need to get it prepared first. the color is a lexus titanium
with
a brilliant metallic. Details of the paint I'll be using will be
explained at
the workshop. Keep your eyes peeled for the posting.
Anthony C.
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89038 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 7:13pm
Subject: Re: MY JEEP GOES UNDER THE GUN!.
nope! believe it or not the bike was difficult to paint because of the added
material used to not only prepare the bike for paint, but get the paint mixed
with the additives for flex as well as the clear. plastic, IMO, if not done
right, the paint will peel or flake if you don't use the right agents in your
mixture. in order for me to now repaint the bike, I have to strip the paint from
the tank, and all the plastics. something like that you just don't want to
paint over and let the paint build up. with the thickness of the paint and flex
of the plastics while riding, not even the best flex agent added to your paint
will prevent the paint from flaking, peeling or cracking. I could get my jeep
done in one weekend completely as with the bike (which has still new paint)
would take about a week to complete. when I painted the bike it took me four
days to prep, paint and reassemble.
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89039 From: Byron <toyland76@m...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 0:13am
Subject: suggestions for tj rear bumper
hello all,
i'm looking for a rear bumper for a 97 tj. rectangular tube, 2"
reciever, braced and strong enough for some towing.inexpensive is
good, and i would probably go without a tire carrier for now due to
cost, but if it could be added later it would be a plus. what are you
guys running? any thoughts on a good one?
thanks.....byron
89040 From: <rmgonzo02@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 8:23pm
Subject: dana 30 problem
hey guys i got a question not to long ago my 4x4 stoped working in my 89 yj,
so today i lifted the jeep up and took off the diff cover. i noticed the when
i put the jeep in 4x4 the front tires are not spinning the drive shaft spins
and all the teeth are fine in side. but the drivers side spider gear does not
spin at all. i also grabbed the tire at the top and bottom and there was a
little bit of slop when i shook it. i looked to see where it was lose and it
looks like it is the axle shaft. im not to sure how the front axle works,
does anyone have any idea what might be my problem?
thanks
mitch
89 yj
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89041 From: mikebeach2002 <mikebeach2002@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 0:33am
Subject: FS: Currie HD Tie-rod and Drag link set-up.
Bought it for my Grand, but its gonna take too much to modify it to
work correctly. Brand new in box. Sell for 350$ come pick it up.
602-509-5337
Mike
89042 From: Kevin Gallagher <GIThunder81@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 0:44am
Subject: RE: Re: The coves were disgusting
Those land management folks should be happy if one person shows up to
help clean up other peoples crap. And I am down for a clean up just let
me know when and I will make sure I have the time off
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:22 PM
To: 'yzguyone25'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: The coves were disgusting
Justin,
Another club member scheduled a clean-up once, for August, at another
wheelin' sight. Rather than the 50 or 75 people that we usually get (I
believe we had at least that many at the Coves the last time), we had
about 10 or 12. We busted our butts in that heat....and it was anything
but a "come on out with the family and have a good time with your fellow
club members" event. While we made some small impact on the amount of
trash that was there, it didn't look all that good in the eyes of the
land management folks (in my opinion) when only a dozen people came to
clean up.
Like I said, you can schedule a cleanup if you wish, but I honestly
believe you are doing this club a disfavor by doing so. I've attended
just about every cleanup the club has done and several of them this club
has not hosted. I will help on the next cleanup....but I won't be doing
it if it is 110 degrees.
Just my 2 cents.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: yzguyone25 [mailto:YZGUYONE25@m...]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: The coves were disgusting
Just my brief .02
I have been to the coves once, but I know there are tons of people
out there to enjoy themselves. Unfortunately not many can keep their
messes clean. This makes the ORV community look bad even though it
may not be directly us.
Why don't we schedule a cleanup sometime soon? Sure it may be hot,
but that shouldn't stop us. It is our land and our fun memories that
are getting pushed closer and closer to becoming zero. The longer we
wait the worse it looks on us. I know it's unbelievably hot out
there, but we could do this in the early AM or evening. I think we
just need to bring along lots of water and shade.
I guess I just don't think the heat should stop us from possibly
losing our land. If the place looks as bad as everyone states then
lets get something together. Just think about all the memories and
good times out there. I know I will gladly be there if we get
something going!
Respectfully,
Justin Olson
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89043 From: TODD MCCULLEN <desertfab@m...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:41am
Subject: Grand Cherokee
If you had to stack so many rocks, sounds like the trail was beyond the
level of the cherokee. Should have done trails made for rigs with open
diff's. This is how our once 5 rated trails are now 2 -3 ratings.
Todd
Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:51:41 -0700
> From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>Subject: RE: Grand Cherokee Information Needed ASAP
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>I spent a week in Moab this past spring with a very good friend who had
>sold his TJ and brought down a ZJ to wheel in. It had open diffs (not
>unusual) and 33" tires. It was the first time I had ever done any
>serious wheelin' with a ZJ setup like that and that damn full time 4
>wheel drive was about as useless as it could be. I've never stacked so
>many rocks to get a vehicle over a trail as I did that one. IMHO, an
>absolutely worthless setup for wheelin'.....and I am sure it does great
>on snowy roads and all that kind of stuff. I just wasn't impressed with
>it....give me part time 4x4!
>
>I hope you Dad can figure out an alternative for the full time 4x4 if he
>decides he wants better performance.
>
>Stu
>
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
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89044 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:56am
Subject: Wiring for a CJ7
I am looking for some help wirng my CJ7, or should I say rewiring. For now I
am dealing with the passenger side of the engine compartment plug/harness.
There are 12 pins out, 1 is the oil pressure, 1 is the temperture, 1 is the
heater fan, 1 is to the tranny, 1 is to the xfer case. So 7 left.
CJ's had a ampmeter which means the altenator had to be hooked in series
with the battery. I changed to a voltmeter, I have seen what happens when
ampmeter go bad. So if I remove the ampmeter I only need one of these wires.
To save headaches I sould just connect the two dash ends of these wires
together at the voltmeter.
So 1 pin is for the power coming in and and 1 pin is for power out
(ampmeter).
5 left, anyone want to add a few? Then we just need to match them up with
the colors.
I am sure a couple are for starting, they go to the selenoid, and at least
one is a "key on" power. Maybe it won't be that hard to figure out.
Can anyone help me fill in the blanks?
Even if it is colors for the above mentioned. Maybe someone has a FSM. Oh
yeah, I think, on a CJ with a factory tach there are 13 pins.
TIA
--James
89045 From: trmn8rjn98 <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 7:17am
Subject: Re: suggestions for tj rear bumper
There are a couple of members who make them on here. The one I used
was thorrdog@q... I believe is name is greg. He makes great
bumpers & it was all at a great price as well.
John
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Byron" <toyland76@m...> wrote:
> hello all,
> i'm looking for a rear bumper for a 97 tj. rectangular tube, 2"
> reciever, braced and strong enough for some towing.inexpensive is
> good, and i would probably go without a tire carrier for now due to
> cost, but if it could be added later it would be a plus. what are
you
> guys running? any thoughts on a good one?
> thanks.....byron
89046 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 7:51am
Subject: Re: XJ TRANSFER CASES
Depends on how you use the XJ. If you go into snow country the full
time mode of the 242is nice to have. It is also nice for blasting
down dirt roads.
If you put a auto locker in the front the full time mode becomes
pretty useless on the 242. So if you stay with the 242 plan on a
selectable locker or a true trac in front.
The 231 is easier to get things like a SYE for. I also has HD shafts
available for it.
So bottom line is if you want a hardcore offroader go with the 231.
If you want a allround XJ then go with the 242.
On 11 Aug 2003 az_vjc@yahoogroups.com wrote:
|*>Message: 5
|*> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:37:48 -0700 (PDT)
|*> From: K Suljic <arc_inc2001@y...>
|*>Subject: XJ TRANSFER CASES
|*>
|*>Hey guys,
|*>which transfer case is a better unit for my keeper XJ the NP231 or the 242 I have both & want to install a SYE KIT.
|*>THANX
|*>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
89047 From: djjohnstone85296 <djohnstone@d...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 7:59am
Subject: State Land Permits for CK??
Are the State Land Permits required for the Crown King run?
89048 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:02am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3865
Your vacum disconnect is not engaging. Check for a vacum leak in the
motor control lines.
On 11 Aug 2003 az_vjc@yahoogroups.com wrote:
|*> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 03:23:38 EDT
|*> From: rmgonzo02@a...
|*>Subject: dana 30 problem
|*>
|*>hey guys i got a question not to long ago my 4x4 stoped working in my 89 yj,
|*>so today i lifted the jeep up and took off the diff cover. i noticed the when
|*>i put the jeep in 4x4 the front tires are not spinning the drive shaft spins
|*>and all the teeth are fine in side. but the drivers side spider gear does not
|*>spin at all. i also grabbed the tire at the top and bottom and there was a
|*>little bit of slop when i shook it. i looked to see where it was lose and it
|*>looks like it is the axle shaft. im not to sure how the front axle works,
|*>does anyone have any idea what might be my problem?
|*>
|*>
|*>thanks
|*>mitch
|*>89 yj
|*>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
89049 From: S.R.D. <sreggiedavis@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:27am
Subject: Coves
I am up for cleaning the coves whenever something is scheduled.
My 2 cents about leaving Mexico for a better life here and taking
your family....where would we be if George Washington, Ben Franklin,
Thomas Jefferson, et al felt that way?? They would have maybe gone to
Canada instead of staying and improving their country.
89050 From: Kevin Bowman <swajetdr@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:55am
Subject: Remove
Please remove swajetdr@c... from the e-mail list
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89051 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:55am
Subject: RE: alternator questions
ROTFLMAO!!
Sorry man probably was not funny then. But now.... LMAO!!
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:36 PM
To: Darren Richards
Cc: Joey Martinez; jeepclub
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] alternator questions
My first mechanics job, first day on the job, first car I ever
touched... I
burned up an entire wiring harness in a new car (back in 79) because I
forgot to disconnect the battery. I watched the harness burn like a
fuse...
and total the car. It was kinda cool when it went through the firewall
because the inside of the car filled with smoke... it looked neat!
I was standing there mesmerized watching the harness sizzle it's way
from
the alternator up to the firewall and then into the car.
It was I am sad to admit, the first job I was ever fired from :D I was
really glad I wasn't around when they explained to the owner why their
car
was worthless.... needless to say; I learned the hard way.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Richards [mailto:darren.richards@m...]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:26 PM
To: Joe West
Cc: Joey Martinez; jeepclub
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alternator questions
Amen. I've learned the hard way that wrenches are really, really good
conductors of electricity...
-darren
Joe West wrote:
> Joey,
>
> This is something easy to do.... You should have no problems.
>
> I'll give you the first step:
>
> Step 1. DISCONNECT THE NEGATIVE BATTERY CABLE AND PLACE IT TO THE
SIDE
> WHERE IT CANNOT COME IN CONTACT WITH THE NEGATIVE BATTERY POST.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joey Martinez [mailto:joey@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 2:20 PM
> To: jeepclub
> Subject: [az_vjc] alternator questions
>
>
> it seems as though my alternator is going out (tested at autozone). i
have
> the service manual, so my question is- is it easy to replace with the
manual
> and newbie-mechanical knowledge or should i take it to a shop?
>
>
> TIA
> 94xjoe
>
>
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89027 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 8:02pm
Subject: Cracks run /who will be camping
Just wanted to get a jeep count on who will be camping out on the Cracks run in Sept
so far 4 of us are leaving Friday morn the 12th & do a moon night run
if any one is interested in going up Friday please respond
THANKS RICK BEER
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89028 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 4:24pm
Subject: Re: Re: The coves were disgusting
Hey Scott, I'm American of Cuban decent, born and raised in Phoenix as was my
Father and my Mother from Gilbert. My family is from Cuba, Spain, Mexico, and
Columbia. you cant say I'm prejudice bro. I just feel that "The majority" of
immigrants that come to America, come illegally. They come here in search of a
better life and such but they go about it all wrong. if a native Mexican or
any immigrant for that matter comes to the US, then go about it the right way
and the legal way. I work around native Mexicans each and every day, and some
of the guys I talk to are documented. let me put it to you this way-------even
the documented native Mexicans are downing the illegals because of the way
they enter our country and go about it the wrong way. illegals are living here
free of charge (without paying taxes), taking all our health and welfare and
taking full advantage of it because we cant turn them down because of a humanity
thingy. I guess you can say that I give great respect to those who come to
our country and go through the long and hard process of getting their green card
and becoming a citizen of the united states, those are the people that
respect our country our laws and value what the US has to offer. illegals come, take
advantage of the system, use OUR tax dollars, do whatever they want and can
go back to Mexico after they did whatever here in the US.
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89029 From: Jeff Trujillo <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:10pm
Subject: Re: The coves were disgusting
Amen, but this isnt a political debate forum, this is a jeep forum.
So lets get back to jeeps LOL I go to the coves quite a bit and I
also pack out some trash, I have been to most of the cleanups and
will continue to do so. I feel if the coves are in desperate need of
cleaning then why does it need to be publicized? Lets get some trash
bags and people and go clean the dang place. Yea, I dont like the
idea of cleaning someone elses trash in 110 degree weather but its
that or not being able to go to the lake and cool off in 110 degree
weather after they close it! Thats how I see it. It doesnt need to be
a family affair. It doesnt need to be a picnic. It just needs to
be.......cleaned up!! Lets do something about it. Jeff CamoXJ--- In
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, chaton602phx@a... wrote:
> Hey Scott, I'm American of Cuban decent, born and raised in Phoenix
as was my
> Father and my Mother from Gilbert. My family is from Cuba, Spain,
Mexico, and
> Columbia. you cant say I'm prejudice bro. I just feel that "The
majority" of
> immigrants that come to America, come illegally. They come here in
search of a
> better life and such but they go about it all wrong. if a native
Mexican or
> any immigrant for that matter comes to the US, then go about it the
right way
> and the legal way. I work around native Mexicans each and every
day, and some
> of the guys I talk to are documented. let me put it to you this way-
------even
> the documented native Mexicans are downing the illegals because of
the way
> they enter our country and go about it the wrong way. illegals are
living here
> free of charge (without paying taxes), taking all our health and
welfare and
> taking full advantage of it because we cant turn them down because
of a humanity
> thingy. I guess you can say that I give great respect to those who
come to
> our country and go through the long and hard process of getting
their green card
> and becoming a citizen of the united states, those are the people
that
> respect our country our laws and value what the US has to offer.
illegals come, take
> advantage of the system, use OUR tax dollars, do whatever they want
and can
> go back to Mexico after they did whatever here in the US.
>
>
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89030 From: Jeff Trujillo <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:13pm
Subject: Re: The coves were disgusting
I forgot to add that we could pass out trash bags to the trash out
there and maybe they will pick some up also. Kind of like educating
them along with helping clean the area they love to trash. Jeff
CamoXJ --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Trujillo"
<jeff.trujillo@m...> wrote:
> Amen, but this isnt a political debate forum, this is a jeep forum.
> So lets get back to jeeps LOL I go to the coves quite a bit and I
> also pack out some trash, I have been to most of the cleanups and
> will continue to do so. I feel if the coves are in desperate need
of
> cleaning then why does it need to be publicized? Lets get some
trash
> bags and people and go clean the dang place. Yea, I dont like the
> idea of cleaning someone elses trash in 110 degree weather but its
> that or not being able to go to the lake and cool off in 110 degree
> weather after they close it! Thats how I see it. It doesnt need to
be
> a family affair. It doesnt need to be a picnic. It just needs to
> be.......cleaned up!! Lets do something about it. Jeff CamoXJ--- In
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, chaton602phx@a... wrote:
> > Hey Scott, I'm American of Cuban decent, born and raised in
Phoenix
> as was my
> > Father and my Mother from Gilbert. My family is from Cuba, Spain,
> Mexico, and
> > Columbia. you cant say I'm prejudice bro. I just feel that "The
> majority" of
> > immigrants that come to America, come illegally. They come here
in
> search of a
> > better life and such but they go about it all wrong. if a native
> Mexican or
> > any immigrant for that matter comes to the US, then go about it
the
> right way
> > and the legal way. I work around native Mexicans each and every
> day, and some
> > of the guys I talk to are documented. let me put it to you this
way-
> ------even
> > the documented native Mexicans are downing the illegals because
of
> the way
> > they enter our country and go about it the wrong way. illegals
are
> living here
> > free of charge (without paying taxes), taking all our health and
> welfare and
> > taking full advantage of it because we cant turn them down
because
> of a humanity
> > thingy. I guess you can say that I give great respect to those
who
> come to
> > our country and go through the long and hard process of getting
> their green card
> > and becoming a citizen of the united states, those are the people
> that
> > respect our country our laws and value what the US has to offer.
> illegals come, take
> > advantage of the system, use OUR tax dollars, do whatever they
want
> and can
> > go back to Mexico after they did whatever here in the US.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
89031 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: The coves were disgusting
your right, this isnt a political issue. so lets talk about jeeps again. I'm
getting ready to paint mine. keep your eyes open for a tech post, alot of you
dont want to miss this.
Anthony
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89032 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:06pm
Subject: [OT] whatever you are talking about was: The coves were disgusting
Jeffs right.This should have been changed to OT the second it turned into
the crapper.
Rather than run the debate about all this OT post stuff again. I think I
will just say in the words of my many spanish friends "Adios Amigos". Its
been fun.
I will still check the runs on the webpage and see you guys on the trail
from time to time.
Everyone else already knows how to reach me if need be.
LATERZ,
Frank
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>From: "Jeff Trujillo" <jeff.trujillo@m...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: The coves were disgusting
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 04:10:45 -0000
>
>Amen, but this isnt a political debate forum, this is a jeep forum.
>So lets get back to jeeps LOL I go to the coves quite a bit and I
>also pack out some trash, I have been to most of the cleanups and
>will continue to do so. I feel if the coves are in desperate need of
>cleaning then why does it need to be publicized? Lets get some trash
>bags and people and go clean the dang place. Yea, I dont like the
>idea of cleaning someone elses trash in 110 degree weather but its
>that or not being able to go to the lake and cool off in 110 degree
>weather after they close it! Thats how I see it. It doesnt need to be
>a family affair. It doesnt need to be a picnic. It just needs to
>be.......cleaned up!! Lets do something about it. Jeff CamoXJ--- In
>az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, chaton602phx@a... wrote:
> > Hey Scott, I'm American of Cuban decent, born and raised in Phoenix
>as was my
> > Father and my Mother from Gilbert. My family is from Cuba, Spain,
>Mexico, and
> > Columbia. you cant say I'm prejudice bro. I just feel that "The
>majority" of
> > immigrants that come to America, come illegally. They come here in
>search of a
> > better life and such but they go about it all wrong. if a native
>Mexican or
> > any immigrant for that matter comes to the US, then go about it the
>right way
> > and the legal way. I work around native Mexicans each and every
>day, and some
> > of the guys I talk to are documented. let me put it to you this way-
>------even
> > the documented native Mexicans are downing the illegals because of
>the way
> > they enter our country and go about it the wrong way. illegals are
>living here
> > free of charge (without paying taxes), taking all our health and
>welfare and
> > taking full advantage of it because we cant turn them down because
>of a humanity
> > thingy. I guess you can say that I give great respect to those who
>come to
> > our country and go through the long and hard process of getting
>their green card
> > and becoming a citizen of the united states, those are the people
>that
> > respect our country our laws and value what the US has to offer.
>illegals come, take
> > advantage of the system, use OUR tax dollars, do whatever they want
>and can
> > go back to Mexico after they did whatever here in the US.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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89033 From: jeff misischia <g4mannn@y...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:29pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003 - Reminder
so,joey, are you able to camp and are you bringin the
kids?
--- DesertJeep <joey@d...> wrote:
>
>
> Please remember to sign up for the main "run" so we
> can get an accurate
> count.
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=955
>
> Also Cindy's Café is expecting us. This is the
> kitchen in the rear of
> the old Saloon. She may even have breakfast for
> those staying overnight.
>
> Joey K
> http://www.desertjeep.com
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:09 PM
> To: AzVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant
> - Saturday, August
> 16, 2003 - Reminder
>
>
> Hello All,Joey Kulich is leading a Crown King from
> Lake Pleasant trail
> run on Saturday, August 16, 2003.
> When: Saturday the 16th of August
> Where: Meeting at various orgins and times to
> converge on Crown King
> Rating: 3.0-
> Length: ALL DAY
> CB Channel:
>
> Annual Crown King Run
>
> This is it. Another year to make our way to Crown
> King. Come join the
> camaraderie and adventure. Here is a chance to enjoy
> cool temps and
> hospitality of Crown King. What better setting to
> see the faces of the
> people behind the emails.
>
> Sign up here to be counted then sign up for a run
> you can make (below).
> Last year we had several runs starting at various
> times and locations.
> There will be runs starting from Lake Pleasent,
> Turkey Creek, Senetor
> Highway from Prescott or even the Crown King road.
>
> 6:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Early Bird Run
> Lead by Hackle
>
> 7:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Stu
> Olson
>
> 8:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Kent
> Warner
>
> 9:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Sharky
>
> 10:00 AM Lake Pleasant to Crown King Lead by Kevin's
> Carr
>
> 11:00 AM
>
> 1:30 PM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by
> Leonard Pennock
>
> 7:00 AM Turkey Creek Lead by Joey K</font>
>
> If you are intrested in leading a run from a
> different location or time
> post it.
>
>
> I just wanted to send this message and I or someone
> else will
> send it again before the trip. The trail times are
> when the group
> leaves. If you sign up for my early bird run at 6:00
> and show up at 6:05
> you will be well behind the group and probably be
> aired down and ready
> when Stu leaves at 7:00. We will have a lot of
> vehicles on the trail at
> the same time and need to be on time to keep each
> group separate from
> the others. Of course everyone wants to be well
> ahead of Sharky as we
> all know how his trips to Crown King end up. BTW
> anyone that is an EMT
> might want to think about joining Sharky's
> group:)<br>
> Jim F. aka Hackle
>
> Bring your camera, pleanty of water and your
> intelligents.
>
> More details to follow as details get ironed
> out.<br>
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local
> favorite. On any given
> weekend, there will be numerous groups of four
> wheelers, ATV's and
> motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a
> fun and scenic trail
> into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. <a
> href="../Main/History.asp">This trail was the first
> trip ever done by
> AzVJC.</a>
>
> The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd
> and travels through
> the foot hills and up the side of the mountain,
> giving nice views of
> Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher
> optional sections
> that can make it interesting.
>
> The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort
> Misery and Oro Belle,
> both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the
> Bradshaw Mountains.
> All that remains now, are foundations and a few
> crumbling walls. Fort
> Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as
> the small creek
> usually has running water and there are trees to
> provide shade.
>
> In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery
> through Oro Belle to
> Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the
> summer, an early
> start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising
> temperatures.
>
> Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through
> the cool pines and
> into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to
> eat and have a drink,
> and a general store that sells some excellent fudge.
> The old Crown King
> Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later
> hauled up (many years
> ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the
> saloon was built into
> the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly
> accessable from the
> rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs
> served as a place
> repose for women of ill fame.
>
> There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near
> Crown King for those
> wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is
> via the main road
> which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee.
> You can split off and
> go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to
> the Freeway quicker,
> or keep going strait and go through the little town
> of Bumble Bee.
>
> Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway
> toward Prescott or
> Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during
> snow season. If you
> have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through
> Crown King and up to
> the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent
> views and you can
> join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
>
> Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
>
> Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=955
> Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up
> List
> Thank You,
>
> - The AzVJC Website
>
>
>
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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89034 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 6:40pm
Subject: MY JEEP GOES UNDER THE GUN!.
Well, the time has come that the jeep gets a complete makeover (paint wise).
After the Anniversary run the jeep is going to get a major change cosmetically
to prepare for a trip to encenada, Mexico with a local bike club from
phoenix. I wanted to match my bike color exactly just for oooo's and ahhh's I'll be
painting the same color as my Honda CBR900RR as seen on the picture attached,
before and after. I'll be more than happy to show a few members some
techniques, do's and don'ts, so forth and so on. I'll be posting it later as a workshop
deal, but I need to get it prepared first. the color is a lexus titanium with
a brilliant metallic. Details of the paint I'll be using will be explained at
the workshop. Keep your eyes peeled for the posting.
Anthony C.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
89035 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:39pm
Subject: It's Time to Circle the Wagons
Show if you can................... we must be HEARD!!! S.
Moderator's Note:
Last summer it was in Oregon where a forest fire consumed a
designated wilderness area plus extensive acreage.
Now, the President is back pushing the Healthy Forest Initiative
while Congress (actually the Senate) prefers to to see the West go up
in flames.
It is time for the liberal Senate (Democrat and Republican alike) to
hear from concerned citizens to stop the flames. Clear the forests,
protect the environment and protect human lives.
**************************************
It's Time to Circle the Wagons
August 10, 2003 By Kathy Gibson Boatman
Last week I learned President Bush will be coming to Summerhaven,
Arizona on August 11. I was elated to hear it, but a feeling of
concern accompanied that elation.
President Bush is touring the community of Summerhaven, atop Mount
Lemmon as the town tries to recuperate from the wildfire that ripped
families and businesses as well as animals and birds from their
environment. The presidential visit will provide support for the
Healthy Forest Bill coming before the Senate in September.
Radical environmentalists, antiwar protesters, women's rights groups
and some local democrats are expected to join together pulling in as
many opposing groups as possible, including members of the Gay
community. They are planning a protest at the base of Sabino Canyon
near the forest service visitor's center, starting at 8:00 am.
I believe it is time for us to fight back and quit letting blonde
boys with dread locks and radical activists rule our country. The
activists were quoted in the Arizona Daily Star saying, "We think it
is important for him to see the faces of patriotic Americans who are
opposed to his agenda, even if he only sees us when he turns on the
TV in his hotel room," they also say they want to give people
something to think about.
In the past year of research, there is one thing I have learned. The
radical groups have joined together, become very effective with the
media,and they aren't afraid to stand up and speak their mind even if
that means they do it at a protest. Funny thing, the Media loves a
Protest and we really should give them something to think about.
I know I have at least a wagon load of research and burned remnants
of my childhood home. I will load my wagon, with the notebooks of
material that I have gathered documenting the damage the
environmentalists are doing. I will take the protest signs from the
rally in Flagstaff where Arizona citizens stood up for their beliefs
and showed support for efforts to remedy the forest problems.
Pioneers in my family came to this state by wagon. They were farmers,
cattlemen, businessmen, miners and schoolteachers. They were the kind
of people that made this country what it is today. When treacherous
events happened along the trail they would circle the wagons, gather
their resources and work together.
I believe the challenges facing America are just as critical today as
they were when the wolves were at the door in historic days.
It is time to circle the wagons. Start educating the general public
about the problems facing our country and the ramifications of doing
nothing. Our forests are in a deplorable state and they are just one
example of the problems facing our country nationwide. Special
interests influence or control numerous parts of America and should
cause concern for us all.
Our economy as well as our power sources, food sources,
military,borders, religion, property rights and basic American
freedom are under assault.
This affects us all, and it is time for those with common sense to
stand up and fight back. I want President Bush, the media and my
fellow citizens to know common sense has a voice in Arizona!
I will fight back, will you? Bring your wagons or your strollers,
wear your red, white and blue it's time to circle the wagons and do
our part for America.
Parking will probably fill up fast, so plan to arrive early. The
visitors center on Sabino Canyon Road will be a great place to stand
up for American values!
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs,
United Four Wheel Drive Associations, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Moderator, MUIRNet - Multiple Use Information Resource Network
To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to MUIRNet, send email to john@m....
A fundamental law of public land access is:
Increased habitat designation for threatened and endangered species
is directly proportional to loss of access to public lands.
89036 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:42pm
Subject: RE: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003 - Reminder
Right on. I am camping and have the whole family ready to pack in the
Jeep. I got a couple of spacious XJs carrying some equipment for me so
it should be a lot of fun. Now if I can just find that other tent. :)
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: jeff misischia [mailto:g4mannn@y...]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:29 PM
To: joey@d...; 'AzVJC'
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday,
August 16, 2003 - Reminder
so,joey, are you able to camp and are you bringin the
kids?
--- DesertJeep <joey@d...> wrote:
>
>
> Please remember to sign up for the main "run" so we
> can get an accurate
> count.
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=955
>
> Also Cindy's Café is expecting us. This is the
> kitchen in the rear of
> the old Saloon. She may even have breakfast for
> those staying overnight.
>
> Joey K
> http://www.desertjeep.com
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:09 PM
> To: AzVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant
> - Saturday, August
> 16, 2003 - Reminder
>
>
> Hello All,Joey Kulich is leading a Crown King from
> Lake Pleasant trail
> run on Saturday, August 16, 2003.
> When: Saturday the 16th of August
> Where: Meeting at various orgins and times to
> converge on Crown King
> Rating: 3.0-
> Length: ALL DAY
> CB Channel:
>
> Annual Crown King Run
>
> This is it. Another year to make our way to Crown
> King. Come join the
> camaraderie and adventure. Here is a chance to enjoy
> cool temps and
> hospitality of Crown King. What better setting to
> see the faces of the
> people behind the emails.
>
> Sign up here to be counted then sign up for a run
> you can make (below).
> Last year we had several runs starting at various
> times and locations.
> There will be runs starting from Lake Pleasent,
> Turkey Creek, Senetor
> Highway from Prescott or even the Crown King road.
>
> 6:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Early Bird Run
> Lead by Hackle
>
> 7:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Stu
> Olson
>
> 8:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Kent
> Warner
>
> 9:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Sharky
>
> 10:00 AM Lake Pleasant to Crown King Lead by Kevin's
> Carr
>
> 11:00 AM
>
> 1:30 PM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by
> Leonard Pennock
>
> 7:00 AM Turkey Creek Lead by Joey K</font>
>
> If you are intrested in leading a run from a
> different location or time
> post it.
>
>
> I just wanted to send this message and I or someone
> else will
> send it again before the trip. The trail times are
> when the group
> leaves. If you sign up for my early bird run at 6:00
> and show up at 6:05
> you will be well behind the group and probably be
> aired down and ready
> when Stu leaves at 7:00. We will have a lot of
> vehicles on the trail at
> the same time and need to be on time to keep each
> group separate from
> the others. Of course everyone wants to be well
> ahead of Sharky as we
> all know how his trips to Crown King end up. BTW
> anyone that is an EMT
> might want to think about joining Sharky's
> group:)<br>
> Jim F. aka Hackle
>
> Bring your camera, pleanty of water and your
> intelligents.
>
> More details to follow as details get ironed
> out.<br>
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local
> favorite. On any given
> weekend, there will be numerous groups of four
> wheelers, ATV's and
> motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a
> fun and scenic trail
> into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. <a
> href="../Main/History.asp">This trail was the first trip ever done by
> AzVJC.</a>
>
> The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd
> and travels through
> the foot hills and up the side of the mountain,
> giving nice views of
> Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher
> optional sections
> that can make it interesting.
>
> The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort
> Misery and Oro Belle,
> both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the
> Bradshaw Mountains.
> All that remains now, are foundations and a few
> crumbling walls. Fort
> Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as
> the small creek
> usually has running water and there are trees to
> provide shade.
>
> In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery
> through Oro Belle to
> Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the
> summer, an early
> start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising
> temperatures.
>
> Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through
> the cool pines and
> into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to
> eat and have a drink,
> and a general store that sells some excellent fudge.
> The old Crown King
> Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later
> hauled up (many years
> ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the
> saloon was built into
> the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly
> accessable from the
> rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs
> served as a place
> repose for women of ill fame.
>
> There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near
> Crown King for those
> wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is
> via the main road
> which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee.
> You can split off and
> go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to
> the Freeway quicker,
> or keep going strait and go through the little town
> of Bumble Bee.
>
> Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway
> toward Prescott or
> Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during
> snow season. If you
> have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through
> Crown King and up to
> the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent
> views and you can
> join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
>
> Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
>
> Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=955
> Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up
> List
> Thank You,
>
> - The AzVJC Website
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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89037 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:50pm
Subject: RE: MY JEEP GOES UNDER THE GUN!.
Wouldn't have been easier/cheaper to paint the bike the color of the
Jeep?? :)
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602phx@a... [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:40 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] MY JEEP GOES UNDER THE GUN!.
Well, the time has come that the jeep gets a complete makeover (paint
wise).
After the Anniversary run the jeep is going to get a major change
cosmetically
to prepare for a trip to encenada, Mexico with a local bike club from
phoenix. I wanted to match my bike color exactly just for oooo's and
ahhh's I'll be
painting the same color as my Honda CBR900RR as seen on the picture
attached,
before and after. I'll be more than happy to show a few members some
techniques, do's and don'ts, so forth and so on. I'll be posting it
later as a workshop
deal, but I need to get it prepared first. the color is a lexus titanium
with
a brilliant metallic. Details of the paint I'll be using will be
explained at
the workshop. Keep your eyes peeled for the posting.
Anthony C.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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89038 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 7:13pm
Subject: Re: MY JEEP GOES UNDER THE GUN!.
nope! believe it or not the bike was difficult to paint because of the added
material used to not only prepare the bike for paint, but get the paint mixed
with the additives for flex as well as the clear. plastic, IMO, if not done
right, the paint will peel or flake if you don't use the right agents in your
mixture. in order for me to now repaint the bike, I have to strip the paint from
the tank, and all the plastics. something like that you just don't want to
paint over and let the paint build up. with the thickness of the paint and flex
of the plastics while riding, not even the best flex agent added to your paint
will prevent the paint from flaking, peeling or cracking. I could get my jeep
done in one weekend completely as with the bike (which has still new paint)
would take about a week to complete. when I painted the bike it took me four
days to prep, paint and reassemble.
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89039 From: Byron <toyland76@m...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 0:13am
Subject: suggestions for tj rear bumper
hello all,
i'm looking for a rear bumper for a 97 tj. rectangular tube, 2"
reciever, braced and strong enough for some towing.inexpensive is
good, and i would probably go without a tire carrier for now due to
cost, but if it could be added later it would be a plus. what are you
guys running? any thoughts on a good one?
thanks.....byron
89040 From: <rmgonzo02@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 8:23pm
Subject: dana 30 problem
hey guys i got a question not to long ago my 4x4 stoped working in my 89 yj,
so today i lifted the jeep up and took off the diff cover. i noticed the when
i put the jeep in 4x4 the front tires are not spinning the drive shaft spins
and all the teeth are fine in side. but the drivers side spider gear does not
spin at all. i also grabbed the tire at the top and bottom and there was a
little bit of slop when i shook it. i looked to see where it was lose and it
looks like it is the axle shaft. im not to sure how the front axle works,
does anyone have any idea what might be my problem?
thanks
mitch
89 yj
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89041 From: mikebeach2002 <mikebeach2002@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 0:33am
Subject: FS: Currie HD Tie-rod and Drag link set-up.
Bought it for my Grand, but its gonna take too much to modify it to
work correctly. Brand new in box. Sell for 350$ come pick it up.
602-509-5337
Mike
89042 From: Kevin Gallagher <GIThunder81@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 0:44am
Subject: RE: Re: The coves were disgusting
Those land management folks should be happy if one person shows up to
help clean up other peoples crap. And I am down for a clean up just let
me know when and I will make sure I have the time off
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:22 PM
To: 'yzguyone25'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: The coves were disgusting
Justin,
Another club member scheduled a clean-up once, for August, at another
wheelin' sight. Rather than the 50 or 75 people that we usually get (I
believe we had at least that many at the Coves the last time), we had
about 10 or 12. We busted our butts in that heat....and it was anything
but a "come on out with the family and have a good time with your fellow
club members" event. While we made some small impact on the amount of
trash that was there, it didn't look all that good in the eyes of the
land management folks (in my opinion) when only a dozen people came to
clean up.
Like I said, you can schedule a cleanup if you wish, but I honestly
believe you are doing this club a disfavor by doing so. I've attended
just about every cleanup the club has done and several of them this club
has not hosted. I will help on the next cleanup....but I won't be doing
it if it is 110 degrees.
Just my 2 cents.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: yzguyone25 [mailto:YZGUYONE25@m...]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: The coves were disgusting
Just my brief .02
I have been to the coves once, but I know there are tons of people
out there to enjoy themselves. Unfortunately not many can keep their
messes clean. This makes the ORV community look bad even though it
may not be directly us.
Why don't we schedule a cleanup sometime soon? Sure it may be hot,
but that shouldn't stop us. It is our land and our fun memories that
are getting pushed closer and closer to becoming zero. The longer we
wait the worse it looks on us. I know it's unbelievably hot out
there, but we could do this in the early AM or evening. I think we
just need to bring along lots of water and shade.
I guess I just don't think the heat should stop us from possibly
losing our land. If the place looks as bad as everyone states then
lets get something together. Just think about all the memories and
good times out there. I know I will gladly be there if we get
something going!
Respectfully,
Justin Olson
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89043 From: TODD MCCULLEN <desertfab@m...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:41am
Subject: Grand Cherokee
If you had to stack so many rocks, sounds like the trail was beyond the
level of the cherokee. Should have done trails made for rigs with open
diff's. This is how our once 5 rated trails are now 2 -3 ratings.
Todd
Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:51:41 -0700
> From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>Subject: RE: Grand Cherokee Information Needed ASAP
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>I spent a week in Moab this past spring with a very good friend who had
>sold his TJ and brought down a ZJ to wheel in. It had open diffs (not
>unusual) and 33" tires. It was the first time I had ever done any
>serious wheelin' with a ZJ setup like that and that damn full time 4
>wheel drive was about as useless as it could be. I've never stacked so
>many rocks to get a vehicle over a trail as I did that one. IMHO, an
>absolutely worthless setup for wheelin'.....and I am sure it does great
>on snowy roads and all that kind of stuff. I just wasn't impressed with
>it....give me part time 4x4!
>
>I hope you Dad can figure out an alternative for the full time 4x4 if he
>decides he wants better performance.
>
>Stu
>
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
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89044 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:56am
Subject: Wiring for a CJ7
I am looking for some help wirng my CJ7, or should I say rewiring. For now I
am dealing with the passenger side of the engine compartment plug/harness.
There are 12 pins out, 1 is the oil pressure, 1 is the temperture, 1 is the
heater fan, 1 is to the tranny, 1 is to the xfer case. So 7 left.
CJ's had a ampmeter which means the altenator had to be hooked in series
with the battery. I changed to a voltmeter, I have seen what happens when
ampmeter go bad. So if I remove the ampmeter I only need one of these wires.
To save headaches I sould just connect the two dash ends of these wires
together at the voltmeter.
So 1 pin is for the power coming in and and 1 pin is for power out
(ampmeter).
5 left, anyone want to add a few? Then we just need to match them up with
the colors.
I am sure a couple are for starting, they go to the selenoid, and at least
one is a "key on" power. Maybe it won't be that hard to figure out.
Can anyone help me fill in the blanks?
Even if it is colors for the above mentioned. Maybe someone has a FSM. Oh
yeah, I think, on a CJ with a factory tach there are 13 pins.
TIA
--James
89045 From: trmn8rjn98 <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 7:17am
Subject: Re: suggestions for tj rear bumper
There are a couple of members who make them on here. The one I used
was thorrdog@q... I believe is name is greg. He makes great
bumpers & it was all at a great price as well.
John
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Byron" <toyland76@m...> wrote:
> hello all,
> i'm looking for a rear bumper for a 97 tj. rectangular tube, 2"
> reciever, braced and strong enough for some towing.inexpensive is
> good, and i would probably go without a tire carrier for now due to
> cost, but if it could be added later it would be a plus. what are
you
> guys running? any thoughts on a good one?
> thanks.....byron
89046 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 7:51am
Subject: Re: XJ TRANSFER CASES
Depends on how you use the XJ. If you go into snow country the full
time mode of the 242is nice to have. It is also nice for blasting
down dirt roads.
If you put a auto locker in the front the full time mode becomes
pretty useless on the 242. So if you stay with the 242 plan on a
selectable locker or a true trac in front.
The 231 is easier to get things like a SYE for. I also has HD shafts
available for it.
So bottom line is if you want a hardcore offroader go with the 231.
If you want a allround XJ then go with the 242.
On 11 Aug 2003 az_vjc@yahoogroups.com wrote:
|*>Message: 5
|*> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:37:48 -0700 (PDT)
|*> From: K Suljic <arc_inc2001@y...>
|*>Subject: XJ TRANSFER CASES
|*>
|*>Hey guys,
|*>which transfer case is a better unit for my keeper XJ the NP231 or the 242 I have both & want to install a SYE KIT.
|*>THANX
|*>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
89047 From: djjohnstone85296 <djohnstone@d...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 7:59am
Subject: State Land Permits for CK??
Are the State Land Permits required for the Crown King run?
89048 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:02am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3865
Your vacum disconnect is not engaging. Check for a vacum leak in the
motor control lines.
On 11 Aug 2003 az_vjc@yahoogroups.com wrote:
|*> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 03:23:38 EDT
|*> From: rmgonzo02@a...
|*>Subject: dana 30 problem
|*>
|*>hey guys i got a question not to long ago my 4x4 stoped working in my 89 yj,
|*>so today i lifted the jeep up and took off the diff cover. i noticed the when
|*>i put the jeep in 4x4 the front tires are not spinning the drive shaft spins
|*>and all the teeth are fine in side. but the drivers side spider gear does not
|*>spin at all. i also grabbed the tire at the top and bottom and there was a
|*>little bit of slop when i shook it. i looked to see where it was lose and it
|*>looks like it is the axle shaft. im not to sure how the front axle works,
|*>does anyone have any idea what might be my problem?
|*>
|*>
|*>thanks
|*>mitch
|*>89 yj
|*>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
89049 From: S.R.D. <sreggiedavis@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:27am
Subject: Coves
I am up for cleaning the coves whenever something is scheduled.
My 2 cents about leaving Mexico for a better life here and taking
your family....where would we be if George Washington, Ben Franklin,
Thomas Jefferson, et al felt that way?? They would have maybe gone to
Canada instead of staying and improving their country.
89050 From: Kevin Bowman <swajetdr@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:55am
Subject: Remove
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89051 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:55am
Subject: RE: alternator questions
ROTFLMAO!!
Sorry man probably was not funny then. But now.... LMAO!!
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:36 PM
To: Darren Richards
Cc: Joey Martinez; jeepclub
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] alternator questions
My first mechanics job, first day on the job, first car I ever
touched... I
burned up an entire wiring harness in a new car (back in 79) because I
forgot to disconnect the battery. I watched the harness burn like a
fuse...
and total the car. It was kinda cool when it went through the firewall
because the inside of the car filled with smoke... it looked neat!
I was standing there mesmerized watching the harness sizzle it's way
from
the alternator up to the firewall and then into the car.
It was I am sad to admit, the first job I was ever fired from :D I was
really glad I wasn't around when they explained to the owner why their
car
was worthless.... needless to say; I learned the hard way.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Richards [mailto:darren.richards@m...]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:26 PM
To: Joe West
Cc: Joey Martinez; jeepclub
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alternator questions
Amen. I've learned the hard way that wrenches are really, really good
conductors of electricity...
-darren
Joe West wrote:
> Joey,
>
> This is something easy to do.... You should have no problems.
>
> I'll give you the first step:
>
> Step 1. DISCONNECT THE NEGATIVE BATTERY CABLE AND PLACE IT TO THE
SIDE
> WHERE IT CANNOT COME IN CONTACT WITH THE NEGATIVE BATTERY POST.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joey Martinez [mailto:joey@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 2:20 PM
> To: jeepclub
> Subject: [az_vjc] alternator questions
>
>
> it seems as though my alternator is going out (tested at autozone). i
have
> the service manual, so my question is- is it easy to replace with the
manual
> and newbie-mechanical knowledge or should i take it to a shop?
>
>
> TIA
> 94xjoe
>
>
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