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88952 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2003 11:01pm
Subject: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003 - Reminder
Please remember to sign up for the main "run" so we can get an accurate
count.
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=955
Also Cindy's Café is expecting us. This is the kitchen in the rear of
the old Saloon. She may even have breakfast for those staying overnight.
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:09 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August
16, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,Joey Kulich is leading a Crown King from Lake Pleasant trail
run on Saturday, August 16, 2003.
When: Saturday the 16th of August
Where: Meeting at various orgins and times to converge on Crown King
Rating: 3.0-
Length: ALL DAY
CB Channel:
Annual Crown King Run
This is it. Another year to make our way to Crown King. Come join the
camaraderie and adventure. Here is a chance to enjoy cool temps and
hospitality of Crown King. What better setting to see the faces of the
people behind the emails.
Sign up here to be counted then sign up for a run you can make (below).
Last year we had several runs starting at various times and locations.
There will be runs starting from Lake Pleasent, Turkey Creek, Senetor
Highway from Prescott or even the Crown King road.
6:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Early Bird Run Lead by Hackle
7:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Stu Olson
8:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Kent Warner
9:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Sharky
10:00 AM Lake Pleasant to Crown King Lead by Kevin's Carr
11:00 AM
1:30 PM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Leonard Pennock
7:00 AM Turkey Creek Lead by Joey K</font>
If you are intrested in leading a run from a different location or time
post it.
I just wanted to send this message and I or someone else will
send it again before the trip. The trail times are when the group
leaves. If you sign up for my early bird run at 6:00 and show up at 6:05
you will be well behind the group and probably be aired down and ready
when Stu leaves at 7:00. We will have a lot of vehicles on the trail at
the same time and need to be on time to keep each group separate from
the others. Of course everyone wants to be well ahead of Sharky as we
all know how his trips to Crown King end up. BTW anyone that is an EMT
might want to think about joining Sharky's group:)<br>
Jim F. aka Hackle
Bring your camera, pleanty of water and your intelligents.
More details to follow as details get ironed out.<br>
Joey K
93YJ
The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local favorite. On any given
weekend, there will be numerous groups of four wheelers, ATV's and
motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a fun and scenic trail
into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. <a
href="../Main/History.asp">This trail was the first trip ever done by
AzVJC.</a>
The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd and travels through
the foot hills and up the side of the mountain, giving nice views of
Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher optional sections
that can make it interesting.
The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort Misery and Oro Belle,
both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the Bradshaw Mountains.
All that remains now, are foundations and a few crumbling walls. Fort
Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as the small creek
usually has running water and there are trees to provide shade.
In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery through Oro Belle to
Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the summer, an early
start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising temperatures.
Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through the cool pines and
into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to eat and have a drink,
and a general store that sells some excellent fudge. The old Crown King
Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later hauled up (many years
ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the saloon was built into
the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly accessable from the
rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs served as a place
repose for women of ill fame.
There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near Crown King for those
wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is via the main road
which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee. You can split off and
go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to the Freeway quicker,
or keep going strait and go through the little town of Bumble Bee.
Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway toward Prescott or
Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during snow season. If you
have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through Crown King and up to
the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent views and you can
join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
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88953 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2003 11:04pm
Subject: Re: re: death wobble
A steering stabilizer only masks the real problem. I currently run with
no steering stabilizer and have no death wobble,
You need to find the real reason.
Chris
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 PM, rob atari wrote:
> Have you looked in to replacing your steering
> stabilizer. I had it for a long time,had the alignment
> done,that only worked for about a week then I replaced
> the stabalizer with a bigger pro-comp about 2 months
> ago and it has not returned since.not sure what you
> drive but it seems to have worked on my 98 tj.
> Marty
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88954 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2003 11:18pm
Subject: Re: Question on Fullwidth in AZ, also D60 tech?
Hey Rio, with my front 60 abomination (ford housing with chevy
outers) the WMS is 70", with 17"X9" wheels with 4.5" bs and 37"
krawlers I am at 83.5" outside of tire to outside of tire, I
absolutely love this width, so far I havent ever wished I was stock
width again, I can still fit up Anaconda, etc.. with no problem. Plus
I can sidehill like mad now too : ) Just ask Rick Norman, his XJ
doesnt sidehill quite as good as my jeep :p
Also I can still fit on a normal size trailer, the only downfall is
because of the backspacing my hubs stick out and are taking quite a
beating, they still work though : )
Oh and Id do a search over on the pirate board www.pirate4x4.com for
the lug swap info, Im sure youll find it... Good luck!
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "rioshilo" <rioshilo@c...> wrote:
> I was wondering for those that went full width... does it have any
> major disadvantages on some of the narrow trails, or can you take
any
> trails that you took before simply by taking different lines. What
> is your width on the outside of the tires? I think I am going to
end
> up with 82".
>
> I'm also considering converting the D60 rear to 5x5.5. It's a 1970
> ford F/F D60 with 8lug. How is this done?
>
> Thanks...
> Rio
88955 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 7:09am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Coves of Saguaro Lake - Saturday, August 2, 2003
Hello All,
Steve Olney lead a trail run Saturday, August 2, 2003 across Coves of Saguaro Lake
2 TJ's and a CJ<br>
<br>
Although we did not reach sandy beach, the trip will still loads of fun. While the first 3 miles were quite easy (one of the TJ's with 31's did manage to get stuck of a rock and had to be pulled off) the trail got nasty real quick when the valley narrowed. Although we decided the trail was impassable without major body damage, I (CJ7 4" lift,33s,f+r lockers) decided to try first waterfall. <br>
<br>
It was not that bad going "down", but because the other Jeeps would be out of pulling range, I had to do a 27 point turn to turn around. After about 30 minutes of jacking, stacking, smashed muffler, broken shackle, we were able to get the Jeep back through the sluce.<br>
<br>
With bigger tires,lift, good backup, winch , NO worry about body damage this looks like a really fun trail (can't wait to get next Jeep finished). Upon return, I was told that Randy Ellis (rock crawler master) had completed the trail and said it was one of the most changeling he had done
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=968
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88956 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 8:56am
Subject: RE: re: death wobble
Chris,
Just curious, why are you not running a stabalizer?
I ask because it was my understanding that the stabalizer was added to
help with driver fatigue especailly over not so smooth roads. I don't
think it to be a big issue. Just remember to drive with your thumbs out.
:)
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:04 PM
To: rob atari
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
A steering stabilizer only masks the real problem. I currently run with
no steering stabilizer and have no death wobble,
You need to find the real reason.
Chris
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 PM, rob atari wrote:
> Have you looked in to replacing your steering
> stabilizer. I had it for a long time,had the alignment done,that only
> worked for about a week then I replaced the stabalizer with a bigger
> pro-comp about 2 months ago and it has not returned since.not sure
> what you drive but it seems to have worked on my 98 tj.
> Marty
>
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88957 From: Mike Buckner <mrbuckner@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 9:37am
Subject: atf+3 vs atf+4 for 2001tj
Hello,
ATF+3 @ Pep Boys $2.09/qt
ATF+3 @ NAPA $2.49/qt
ATF+4 @ Dealer $7.00+/qt
What is the difference between +3 and +4 (other than +1 and the
price)?
Is the +4 available from other sources than the dealers?
Thanks in advance for any and all information,
Mike
88958 From: GP <grant@d...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 9:45am
Subject: North Phx Alignment shop
Would like some suggestions as to the best place for a front end alignment
in the north phx area. I believe there was someone in the group who worked
at or owned a shop? My WJ is pulling to the right and I've got a long road
trip coming up...
Thanks,
Grant
88959 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:08am
Subject: RE: re: death wobble
I would think it (the steering stabilizer) would be a big plus when rock
crawling....much less chance of the steering wheel getting pulled out of
your hands. (yeah, watch those thumbs!)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'Chris Krieg'; 'rob atari'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
Chris,
Just curious, why are you not running a stabalizer?
I ask because it was my understanding that the stabalizer was added to
help with driver fatigue especailly over not so smooth roads. I don't
think it to be a big issue. Just remember to drive with your thumbs out.
:)
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:04 PM
To: rob atari
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
A steering stabilizer only masks the real problem. I currently run with
no steering stabilizer and have no death wobble,
You need to find the real reason.
Chris
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 PM, rob atari wrote:
> Have you looked in to replacing your steering
> stabilizer. I had it for a long time,had the alignment done,that only
> worked for about a week then I replaced the stabalizer with a bigger
> pro-comp about 2 months ago and it has not returned since.not sure
> what you drive but it seems to have worked on my 98 tj.
> Marty
>
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88960 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:20am
Subject: RE: atf+3 vs atf+4 for 2001tj
A technical service bulletin concerning ATF4+
http://www.geocities.com/maldbnsf/ATF-4.html
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Buckner [mailto:mrbuckner@a...]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 9:37 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] atf+3 vs atf+4 for 2001tj
Hello,
ATF+3 @ Pep Boys $2.09/qt
ATF+3 @ NAPA $2.49/qt
ATF+4 @ Dealer $7.00+/qt
What is the difference between +3 and +4 (other than +1 and the
price)?
Is the +4 available from other sources than the dealers?
Thanks in advance for any and all information,
Mike
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88961 From: RAM <ramaz@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:25am
Subject: [OT] Free twin bed mattress, box spring + frame
Morning
Free to good home twin size mattress, box spring and frame. All still in
decent shape. Must pickup. I am in Chandler (Price + Elliott).
Randy
Randall A. Mutter
www.rmutter.com <http://www.rmutter.com/>
ramaz@c...
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
88962 From: Mike Buckner <mbuckner@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:31am
Subject: Re: atf+3 vs atf+4 for 2001tj
Hi Stu,
Yes sir, I saw that on the web ... so if I cannot find ATF+4 from someother
source than the dealer, I guess I will bite the bullet and buy from a
dealer.
Thanks for the reply ......
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Mike Buckner'" <mrbuckner@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] atf+3 vs atf+4 for 2001tj
> A technical service bulletin concerning ATF4+
>
> http://www.geocities.com/maldbnsf/ATF-4.html
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Buckner [mailto:mrbuckner@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 9:37 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] atf+3 vs atf+4 for 2001tj
>
> Hello,
>
> ATF+3 @ Pep Boys $2.09/qt
> ATF+3 @ NAPA $2.49/qt
> ATF+4 @ Dealer $7.00+/qt
>
> What is the difference between +3 and +4 (other than +1 and the
> price)?
>
> Is the +4 available from other sources than the dealers?
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all information,
>
> Mike
>
>
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88963 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:33am
Subject: Re: re: death wobble
Just never put one on after I did my hi-steer conversion. Its on my
To-Do list. No problems noticed at all. No DW, no bumpsteer, no nothing.
I always drive with my thumbs out. Keeps them from getting broken.
Chris
On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 08:56 AM, DesertJeep wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Just curious, why are you not running a stabalizer?
>
> I ask because it was my understanding that the stabalizer was added to
> help with driver fatigue especailly over not so smooth roads. I don't
> think it to be a big issue. Just remember to drive with your thumbs
> out.
> :)
>
> Joey K
> http://www.desertjeep.com
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:04 PM
> To: rob atari
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
>
>
> A steering stabilizer only masks the real problem. I currently run with
> no steering stabilizer and have no death wobble,
>
> You need to find the real reason.
>
> Chris
>
> On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 PM, rob atari wrote:
>
>> Have you looked in to replacing your steering
>> stabilizer. I had it for a long time,had the alignment done,that only
>> worked for about a week then I replaced the stabalizer with a bigger
>> pro-comp about 2 months ago and it has not returned since.not sure
>> what you drive but it seems to have worked on my 98 tj.
>> Marty
>>
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88964 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:34am
Subject: Re: re: death wobble
Yeah, one of these days. I just need to find those little u-bolt things
for attaching it to the tie-rod.
Anyone know where I can get hardened ones?
Chris
On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 10:08 AM, Stu Olson wrote:
> I would think it (the steering stabilizer) would be a big plus when
> rock
> crawling....much less chance of the steering wheel getting pulled out
> of
> your hands. (yeah, watch those thumbs!)
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: 'Chris Krieg'; 'rob atari'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
>
> Chris,
>
> Just curious, why are you not running a stabalizer?
>
> I ask because it was my understanding that the stabalizer was added to
> help with driver fatigue especailly over not so smooth roads. I don't
> think it to be a big issue. Just remember to drive with your thumbs
> out.
> :)
>
> Joey K
> http://www.desertjeep.com
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:04 PM
> To: rob atari
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
>
>
> A steering stabilizer only masks the real problem. I currently run with
> no steering stabilizer and have no death wobble,
>
> You need to find the real reason.
>
> Chris
>
> On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 PM, rob atari wrote:
>
>> Have you looked in to replacing your steering
>> stabilizer. I had it for a long time,had the alignment done,that only
>> worked for about a week then I replaced the stabalizer with a bigger
>> pro-comp about 2 months ago and it has not returned since.not sure
>> what you drive but it seems to have worked on my 98 tj.
>> Marty
>>
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88965 From: G.R. Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:48am
Subject: Re: re: death wobble
Joey K;
I also drive without a stabilizer on the '78 Cherokee. Doesn't need it.
Fatigue is not an issue nor is excessive feedback/kickback thorugh the
steering wheel. I have changed the orginal "no feel" steering box to a
later model Saginaw that give me a better feeling of what is happining
with my tires and the road but it has no problem getting over the rocks
and ruts without spinning the wheel out of my hand. I don't drive with
a "Death Grip", as I have seen may do, that would contribute to river
fatigue.
Basically, a well set up steering system with proper geometry doesn't
need a steering stabilizer, much less the 4 or more of them I have seen
on some rigs.
Gary Holmes
DesertJeep wrote:
>Chris,
>
>Just curious, why are you not running a stabalizer?
>
>I ask because it was my understanding that the stabalizer was added to
>help with driver fatigue especailly over not so smooth roads. I don't
>think it to be a big issue. Just remember to drive with your thumbs out.
>:)
>
>Joey K
>http://www.desertjeep.com
>93YJ
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
>Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:04 PM
>To: rob atari
>Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
>
>
>A steering stabilizer only masks the real problem. I currently run with
>no steering stabilizer and have no death wobble,
>
>You need to find the real reason.
>
>Chris
>
>On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 PM, rob atari wrote:
>
>
>
88966 From: Dan Dennis <dannpegg@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:52am
Subject: Did a quick trip this morning...(3hrs)
A couple of friends and I left the meeting spot at 6:15am to do a
quick Jeep run up towards Crossman Peak in Havasu this morning to
find the wreckage of a WWII war plane that crashed back in the late
40's up there past the "waterfall". I have been up that way many
times, but never took the side trip to find this area. Today, we
found it. We had to hike up the mountain for about 50 yards, and it
was. Unfortunately, all that was left of it was one of the engines
and a relatively small piece of the aluminum shrouding from it. I saw
on a Geocaching website that the other engine is on the other side of
that peak. What was surprising about what we found was the fact that
zeus fasteners were used in its construction.
My wife had to be to work at 10am, so we turned back. The jeep trail
continued further and I/we intend to do another trip up there when it
cools down and we have no time restraints.
AZ Treadhead (AKA BRUZR's Daddy)
97 TJ (BRUZR) in Lake Havasu City, AZ
88967 From: sdrichm <sdrichm@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:54am
Subject: Death Wobble
I would have to agree with Chris. I had the same problem and posted
it, Stu mentioned the same masking. I did install a better, heavy
duty steering stabilizer and it seemed to work great. But after
thinking about it, I decided to take it in. It ended up being the
tow (toe) sp? line of the front tires. They were off by 1/2 inch.
As you can see I am not a mechanic. Anyway this completely took
care of my death wobble.
My 2 cents worth,
Steve
88968 From: John <thedesertdog2000@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:55am
Subject: OH-NO PRESCOTT FOREST CLOSED
I just talked to Ranger in Prescott and was told Crown King, Horse
thief basin, and the basin (back way to C.K.) is closed if you hear
anything different please let me know.
88969 From: John <thedesertdog2000@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:58am
Subject: Phone Number for Prescott national forest information
928-443-8000
88970 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 11:05am
Subject: RE: Did a quick trip this morning...(3hrs)
That is pretty cool.....never came across something like that (always
old mining equipment, homesteads, etc.) Thanks for sharing!
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Dennis [mailto:dannpegg@c...]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:53 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Did a quick trip this morning...(3hrs)
A couple of friends and I left the meeting spot at 6:15am to do a
quick Jeep run up towards Crossman Peak in Havasu this morning to
find the wreckage of a WWII war plane that crashed back in the late
40's up there past the "waterfall". I have been up that way many
times, but never took the side trip to find this area. Today, we
found it. We had to hike up the mountain for about 50 yards, and it
was. Unfortunately, all that was left of it was one of the engines
and a relatively small piece of the aluminum shrouding from it. I saw
on a Geocaching website that the other engine is on the other side of
that peak. What was surprising about what we found was the fact that
zeus fasteners were used in its construction.
My wife had to be to work at 10am, so we turned back. The jeep trail
continued further and I/we intend to do another trip up there when it
cools down and we have no time restraints.
AZ Treadhead (AKA BRUZR's Daddy)
97 TJ (BRUZR) in Lake Havasu City, AZ
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88971 From: John <thedesertdog2000@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 11:18am
Subject: SORRY
After many calls I found out you can drive to crown king just no
smoking or fires or camping...sorry for the wrong info. seems info is
different depending on who you talk to.
88972 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 11:20am
Subject: FS TJ soft doors
Bout 2 years old - soft doors for TJ - Spice color. Bout 2 years old - vg condition. They go new from $139 (Quadratech) to $159 (Macromotive).
$60 for both of them.
Doug
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88973 From: Nathan <Nathanos_2000@Y...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 11:21am
Subject: Cleaning out the garage-3 engines & 1 tranny for sale
Hey everyone,
I've gotta clear out the garage to make room & money for new
projects.
I have a '69 Buick 400BB and matching TH400 Tranny-everything is
present with matching numbers right down to the carb except for the
flywheel. The engine needs a ring and gasket job. The tranny was
running great when I pulled it. I'd like to get $700obo for the pair.
Next, I need to get rid of a bare chevy 350 block and matching
crankshaft. Has an Edelbrock intake manifold on it. $150obo
Last but not least, I have a '73 240Z motor. Its set up for dual
carbs, but it has been sitting for a while, so it probably needs
freshening up. Everything is there but the carbs. $350obo
Hopefully, somebody has a use for one of these. Give me a call if
interested.
Nathan Mendenhall
480-620-3839
Tread Lightly.
88974 From: AZ Outlaws <azoutlaws@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 11:55am
Subject: RE: Did a quick trip this morning...(3hrs)
Dan,
Zeus fasteners are still in use on today's aircraft both large and small. Cool find.
AJ Card
"...What was surprising about what we found was the fact that
zeus fasteners were used in its construction".
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88975 From: george Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 1:11pm
Subject: test message
test-please ignore
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88976 From: george Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 3:35pm
Subject: test
test message
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88952 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2003 11:01pm
Subject: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003 - Reminder
Please remember to sign up for the main "run" so we can get an accurate
count.
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=955
Also Cindy's Café is expecting us. This is the kitchen in the rear of
the old Saloon. She may even have breakfast for those staying overnight.
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:09 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August
16, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,Joey Kulich is leading a Crown King from Lake Pleasant trail
run on Saturday, August 16, 2003.
When: Saturday the 16th of August
Where: Meeting at various orgins and times to converge on Crown King
Rating: 3.0-
Length: ALL DAY
CB Channel:
Annual Crown King Run
This is it. Another year to make our way to Crown King. Come join the
camaraderie and adventure. Here is a chance to enjoy cool temps and
hospitality of Crown King. What better setting to see the faces of the
people behind the emails.
Sign up here to be counted then sign up for a run you can make (below).
Last year we had several runs starting at various times and locations.
There will be runs starting from Lake Pleasent, Turkey Creek, Senetor
Highway from Prescott or even the Crown King road.
6:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Early Bird Run Lead by Hackle
7:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Stu Olson
8:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Kent Warner
9:00 AM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Sharky
10:00 AM Lake Pleasant to Crown King Lead by Kevin's Carr
11:00 AM
1:30 PM Crown King from Lake Pleasant Lead by Leonard Pennock
7:00 AM Turkey Creek Lead by Joey K</font>
If you are intrested in leading a run from a different location or time
post it.
I just wanted to send this message and I or someone else will
send it again before the trip. The trail times are when the group
leaves. If you sign up for my early bird run at 6:00 and show up at 6:05
you will be well behind the group and probably be aired down and ready
when Stu leaves at 7:00. We will have a lot of vehicles on the trail at
the same time and need to be on time to keep each group separate from
the others. Of course everyone wants to be well ahead of Sharky as we
all know how his trips to Crown King end up. BTW anyone that is an EMT
might want to think about joining Sharky's group:)<br>
Jim F. aka Hackle
Bring your camera, pleanty of water and your intelligents.
More details to follow as details get ironed out.<br>
Joey K
93YJ
The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local favorite. On any given
weekend, there will be numerous groups of four wheelers, ATV's and
motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a fun and scenic trail
into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. <a
href="../Main/History.asp">This trail was the first trip ever done by
AzVJC.</a>
The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd and travels through
the foot hills and up the side of the mountain, giving nice views of
Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher optional sections
that can make it interesting.
The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort Misery and Oro Belle,
both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the Bradshaw Mountains.
All that remains now, are foundations and a few crumbling walls. Fort
Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as the small creek
usually has running water and there are trees to provide shade.
In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery through Oro Belle to
Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the summer, an early
start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising temperatures.
Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through the cool pines and
into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to eat and have a drink,
and a general store that sells some excellent fudge. The old Crown King
Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later hauled up (many years
ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the saloon was built into
the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly accessable from the
rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs served as a place
repose for women of ill fame.
There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near Crown King for those
wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is via the main road
which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee. You can split off and
go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to the Freeway quicker,
or keep going strait and go through the little town of Bumble Bee.
Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway toward Prescott or
Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during snow season. If you
have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through Crown King and up to
the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent views and you can
join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=955
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Thank You,
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88953 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2003 11:04pm
Subject: Re: re: death wobble
A steering stabilizer only masks the real problem. I currently run with
no steering stabilizer and have no death wobble,
You need to find the real reason.
Chris
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 PM, rob atari wrote:
> Have you looked in to replacing your steering
> stabilizer. I had it for a long time,had the alignment
> done,that only worked for about a week then I replaced
> the stabalizer with a bigger pro-comp about 2 months
> ago and it has not returned since.not sure what you
> drive but it seems to have worked on my 98 tj.
> Marty
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88954 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2003 11:18pm
Subject: Re: Question on Fullwidth in AZ, also D60 tech?
Hey Rio, with my front 60 abomination (ford housing with chevy
outers) the WMS is 70", with 17"X9" wheels with 4.5" bs and 37"
krawlers I am at 83.5" outside of tire to outside of tire, I
absolutely love this width, so far I havent ever wished I was stock
width again, I can still fit up Anaconda, etc.. with no problem. Plus
I can sidehill like mad now too : ) Just ask Rick Norman, his XJ
doesnt sidehill quite as good as my jeep :p
Also I can still fit on a normal size trailer, the only downfall is
because of the backspacing my hubs stick out and are taking quite a
beating, they still work though : )
Oh and Id do a search over on the pirate board www.pirate4x4.com for
the lug swap info, Im sure youll find it... Good luck!
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "rioshilo" <rioshilo@c...> wrote:
> I was wondering for those that went full width... does it have any
> major disadvantages on some of the narrow trails, or can you take
any
> trails that you took before simply by taking different lines. What
> is your width on the outside of the tires? I think I am going to
end
> up with 82".
>
> I'm also considering converting the D60 rear to 5x5.5. It's a 1970
> ford F/F D60 with 8lug. How is this done?
>
> Thanks...
> Rio
88955 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 7:09am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Coves of Saguaro Lake - Saturday, August 2, 2003
Hello All,
Steve Olney lead a trail run Saturday, August 2, 2003 across Coves of Saguaro Lake
2 TJ's and a CJ<br>
<br>
Although we did not reach sandy beach, the trip will still loads of fun. While the first 3 miles were quite easy (one of the TJ's with 31's did manage to get stuck of a rock and had to be pulled off) the trail got nasty real quick when the valley narrowed. Although we decided the trail was impassable without major body damage, I (CJ7 4" lift,33s,f+r lockers) decided to try first waterfall. <br>
<br>
It was not that bad going "down", but because the other Jeeps would be out of pulling range, I had to do a 27 point turn to turn around. After about 30 minutes of jacking, stacking, smashed muffler, broken shackle, we were able to get the Jeep back through the sluce.<br>
<br>
With bigger tires,lift, good backup, winch , NO worry about body damage this looks like a really fun trail (can't wait to get next Jeep finished). Upon return, I was told that Randy Ellis (rock crawler master) had completed the trail and said it was one of the most changeling he had done
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=968
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88956 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 8:56am
Subject: RE: re: death wobble
Chris,
Just curious, why are you not running a stabalizer?
I ask because it was my understanding that the stabalizer was added to
help with driver fatigue especailly over not so smooth roads. I don't
think it to be a big issue. Just remember to drive with your thumbs out.
:)
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:04 PM
To: rob atari
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
A steering stabilizer only masks the real problem. I currently run with
no steering stabilizer and have no death wobble,
You need to find the real reason.
Chris
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 PM, rob atari wrote:
> Have you looked in to replacing your steering
> stabilizer. I had it for a long time,had the alignment done,that only
> worked for about a week then I replaced the stabalizer with a bigger
> pro-comp about 2 months ago and it has not returned since.not sure
> what you drive but it seems to have worked on my 98 tj.
> Marty
>
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88957 From: Mike Buckner <mrbuckner@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 9:37am
Subject: atf+3 vs atf+4 for 2001tj
Hello,
ATF+3 @ Pep Boys $2.09/qt
ATF+3 @ NAPA $2.49/qt
ATF+4 @ Dealer $7.00+/qt
What is the difference between +3 and +4 (other than +1 and the
price)?
Is the +4 available from other sources than the dealers?
Thanks in advance for any and all information,
Mike
88958 From: GP <grant@d...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 9:45am
Subject: North Phx Alignment shop
Would like some suggestions as to the best place for a front end alignment
in the north phx area. I believe there was someone in the group who worked
at or owned a shop? My WJ is pulling to the right and I've got a long road
trip coming up...
Thanks,
Grant
88959 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:08am
Subject: RE: re: death wobble
I would think it (the steering stabilizer) would be a big plus when rock
crawling....much less chance of the steering wheel getting pulled out of
your hands. (yeah, watch those thumbs!)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'Chris Krieg'; 'rob atari'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
Chris,
Just curious, why are you not running a stabalizer?
I ask because it was my understanding that the stabalizer was added to
help with driver fatigue especailly over not so smooth roads. I don't
think it to be a big issue. Just remember to drive with your thumbs out.
:)
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:04 PM
To: rob atari
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
A steering stabilizer only masks the real problem. I currently run with
no steering stabilizer and have no death wobble,
You need to find the real reason.
Chris
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 PM, rob atari wrote:
> Have you looked in to replacing your steering
> stabilizer. I had it for a long time,had the alignment done,that only
> worked for about a week then I replaced the stabalizer with a bigger
> pro-comp about 2 months ago and it has not returned since.not sure
> what you drive but it seems to have worked on my 98 tj.
> Marty
>
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88960 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:20am
Subject: RE: atf+3 vs atf+4 for 2001tj
A technical service bulletin concerning ATF4+
http://www.geocities.com/maldbnsf/ATF-4.html
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Buckner [mailto:mrbuckner@a...]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 9:37 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] atf+3 vs atf+4 for 2001tj
Hello,
ATF+3 @ Pep Boys $2.09/qt
ATF+3 @ NAPA $2.49/qt
ATF+4 @ Dealer $7.00+/qt
What is the difference between +3 and +4 (other than +1 and the
price)?
Is the +4 available from other sources than the dealers?
Thanks in advance for any and all information,
Mike
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88961 From: RAM <ramaz@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:25am
Subject: [OT] Free twin bed mattress, box spring + frame
Morning
Free to good home twin size mattress, box spring and frame. All still in
decent shape. Must pickup. I am in Chandler (Price + Elliott).
Randy
Randall A. Mutter
www.rmutter.com <http://www.rmutter.com/>
ramaz@c...
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
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88962 From: Mike Buckner <mbuckner@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:31am
Subject: Re: atf+3 vs atf+4 for 2001tj
Hi Stu,
Yes sir, I saw that on the web ... so if I cannot find ATF+4 from someother
source than the dealer, I guess I will bite the bullet and buy from a
dealer.
Thanks for the reply ......
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Mike Buckner'" <mrbuckner@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] atf+3 vs atf+4 for 2001tj
> A technical service bulletin concerning ATF4+
>
> http://www.geocities.com/maldbnsf/ATF-4.html
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Buckner [mailto:mrbuckner@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 9:37 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] atf+3 vs atf+4 for 2001tj
>
> Hello,
>
> ATF+3 @ Pep Boys $2.09/qt
> ATF+3 @ NAPA $2.49/qt
> ATF+4 @ Dealer $7.00+/qt
>
> What is the difference between +3 and +4 (other than +1 and the
> price)?
>
> Is the +4 available from other sources than the dealers?
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all information,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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88963 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:33am
Subject: Re: re: death wobble
Just never put one on after I did my hi-steer conversion. Its on my
To-Do list. No problems noticed at all. No DW, no bumpsteer, no nothing.
I always drive with my thumbs out. Keeps them from getting broken.
Chris
On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 08:56 AM, DesertJeep wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Just curious, why are you not running a stabalizer?
>
> I ask because it was my understanding that the stabalizer was added to
> help with driver fatigue especailly over not so smooth roads. I don't
> think it to be a big issue. Just remember to drive with your thumbs
> out.
> :)
>
> Joey K
> http://www.desertjeep.com
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:04 PM
> To: rob atari
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
>
>
> A steering stabilizer only masks the real problem. I currently run with
> no steering stabilizer and have no death wobble,
>
> You need to find the real reason.
>
> Chris
>
> On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 PM, rob atari wrote:
>
>> Have you looked in to replacing your steering
>> stabilizer. I had it for a long time,had the alignment done,that only
>> worked for about a week then I replaced the stabalizer with a bigger
>> pro-comp about 2 months ago and it has not returned since.not sure
>> what you drive but it seems to have worked on my 98 tj.
>> Marty
>>
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88964 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:34am
Subject: Re: re: death wobble
Yeah, one of these days. I just need to find those little u-bolt things
for attaching it to the tie-rod.
Anyone know where I can get hardened ones?
Chris
On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 10:08 AM, Stu Olson wrote:
> I would think it (the steering stabilizer) would be a big plus when
> rock
> crawling....much less chance of the steering wheel getting pulled out
> of
> your hands. (yeah, watch those thumbs!)
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: 'Chris Krieg'; 'rob atari'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
>
> Chris,
>
> Just curious, why are you not running a stabalizer?
>
> I ask because it was my understanding that the stabalizer was added to
> help with driver fatigue especailly over not so smooth roads. I don't
> think it to be a big issue. Just remember to drive with your thumbs
> out.
> :)
>
> Joey K
> http://www.desertjeep.com
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:04 PM
> To: rob atari
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
>
>
> A steering stabilizer only masks the real problem. I currently run with
> no steering stabilizer and have no death wobble,
>
> You need to find the real reason.
>
> Chris
>
> On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 PM, rob atari wrote:
>
>> Have you looked in to replacing your steering
>> stabilizer. I had it for a long time,had the alignment done,that only
>> worked for about a week then I replaced the stabalizer with a bigger
>> pro-comp about 2 months ago and it has not returned since.not sure
>> what you drive but it seems to have worked on my 98 tj.
>> Marty
>>
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88965 From: G.R. Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:48am
Subject: Re: re: death wobble
Joey K;
I also drive without a stabilizer on the '78 Cherokee. Doesn't need it.
Fatigue is not an issue nor is excessive feedback/kickback thorugh the
steering wheel. I have changed the orginal "no feel" steering box to a
later model Saginaw that give me a better feeling of what is happining
with my tires and the road but it has no problem getting over the rocks
and ruts without spinning the wheel out of my hand. I don't drive with
a "Death Grip", as I have seen may do, that would contribute to river
fatigue.
Basically, a well set up steering system with proper geometry doesn't
need a steering stabilizer, much less the 4 or more of them I have seen
on some rigs.
Gary Holmes
DesertJeep wrote:
>Chris,
>
>Just curious, why are you not running a stabalizer?
>
>I ask because it was my understanding that the stabalizer was added to
>help with driver fatigue especailly over not so smooth roads. I don't
>think it to be a big issue. Just remember to drive with your thumbs out.
>:)
>
>Joey K
>http://www.desertjeep.com
>93YJ
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
>Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:04 PM
>To: rob atari
>Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re: death wobble
>
>
>A steering stabilizer only masks the real problem. I currently run with
>no steering stabilizer and have no death wobble,
>
>You need to find the real reason.
>
>Chris
>
>On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 PM, rob atari wrote:
>
>
>
88966 From: Dan Dennis <dannpegg@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:52am
Subject: Did a quick trip this morning...(3hrs)
A couple of friends and I left the meeting spot at 6:15am to do a
quick Jeep run up towards Crossman Peak in Havasu this morning to
find the wreckage of a WWII war plane that crashed back in the late
40's up there past the "waterfall". I have been up that way many
times, but never took the side trip to find this area. Today, we
found it. We had to hike up the mountain for about 50 yards, and it
was. Unfortunately, all that was left of it was one of the engines
and a relatively small piece of the aluminum shrouding from it. I saw
on a Geocaching website that the other engine is on the other side of
that peak. What was surprising about what we found was the fact that
zeus fasteners were used in its construction.
My wife had to be to work at 10am, so we turned back. The jeep trail
continued further and I/we intend to do another trip up there when it
cools down and we have no time restraints.
AZ Treadhead (AKA BRUZR's Daddy)
97 TJ (BRUZR) in Lake Havasu City, AZ
88967 From: sdrichm <sdrichm@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:54am
Subject: Death Wobble
I would have to agree with Chris. I had the same problem and posted
it, Stu mentioned the same masking. I did install a better, heavy
duty steering stabilizer and it seemed to work great. But after
thinking about it, I decided to take it in. It ended up being the
tow (toe) sp? line of the front tires. They were off by 1/2 inch.
As you can see I am not a mechanic. Anyway this completely took
care of my death wobble.
My 2 cents worth,
Steve
88968 From: John <thedesertdog2000@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:55am
Subject: OH-NO PRESCOTT FOREST CLOSED
I just talked to Ranger in Prescott and was told Crown King, Horse
thief basin, and the basin (back way to C.K.) is closed if you hear
anything different please let me know.
88969 From: John <thedesertdog2000@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 10:58am
Subject: Phone Number for Prescott national forest information
928-443-8000
88970 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 11:05am
Subject: RE: Did a quick trip this morning...(3hrs)
That is pretty cool.....never came across something like that (always
old mining equipment, homesteads, etc.) Thanks for sharing!
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
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From: Dan Dennis [mailto:dannpegg@c...]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:53 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Did a quick trip this morning...(3hrs)
A couple of friends and I left the meeting spot at 6:15am to do a
quick Jeep run up towards Crossman Peak in Havasu this morning to
find the wreckage of a WWII war plane that crashed back in the late
40's up there past the "waterfall". I have been up that way many
times, but never took the side trip to find this area. Today, we
found it. We had to hike up the mountain for about 50 yards, and it
was. Unfortunately, all that was left of it was one of the engines
and a relatively small piece of the aluminum shrouding from it. I saw
on a Geocaching website that the other engine is on the other side of
that peak. What was surprising about what we found was the fact that
zeus fasteners were used in its construction.
My wife had to be to work at 10am, so we turned back. The jeep trail
continued further and I/we intend to do another trip up there when it
cools down and we have no time restraints.
AZ Treadhead (AKA BRUZR's Daddy)
97 TJ (BRUZR) in Lake Havasu City, AZ
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88971 From: John <thedesertdog2000@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 11:18am
Subject: SORRY
After many calls I found out you can drive to crown king just no
smoking or fires or camping...sorry for the wrong info. seems info is
different depending on who you talk to.
88972 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 11:20am
Subject: FS TJ soft doors
Bout 2 years old - soft doors for TJ - Spice color. Bout 2 years old - vg condition. They go new from $139 (Quadratech) to $159 (Macromotive).
$60 for both of them.
Doug
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88973 From: Nathan <Nathanos_2000@Y...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 11:21am
Subject: Cleaning out the garage-3 engines & 1 tranny for sale
Hey everyone,
I've gotta clear out the garage to make room & money for new
projects.
I have a '69 Buick 400BB and matching TH400 Tranny-everything is
present with matching numbers right down to the carb except for the
flywheel. The engine needs a ring and gasket job. The tranny was
running great when I pulled it. I'd like to get $700obo for the pair.
Next, I need to get rid of a bare chevy 350 block and matching
crankshaft. Has an Edelbrock intake manifold on it. $150obo
Last but not least, I have a '73 240Z motor. Its set up for dual
carbs, but it has been sitting for a while, so it probably needs
freshening up. Everything is there but the carbs. $350obo
Hopefully, somebody has a use for one of these. Give me a call if
interested.
Nathan Mendenhall
480-620-3839
Tread Lightly.
88974 From: AZ Outlaws <azoutlaws@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 11:55am
Subject: RE: Did a quick trip this morning...(3hrs)
Dan,
Zeus fasteners are still in use on today's aircraft both large and small. Cool find.
AJ Card
"...What was surprising about what we found was the fact that
zeus fasteners were used in its construction".
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88975 From: george Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 1:11pm
Subject: test message
test-please ignore
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88976 From: george Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 3:35pm
Subject: test
test message
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