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01-08-2004, 10:09 PM
88726-88750
88726 From: Nichole Freemon <cj7wheelin@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 7:40pm
Subject: RE: Re: Damage on the trail
Dang! Well it was worth a shot! lol
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Nichole'" <cj7wheelin@h...>, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:51:41 -0700
Nichole,
I do not believe you need to worry as you, IMO, do not fit the profile
that James described. Had I not met you before, I would still say that
solely based on your response. Everyone starts somewhere....and
wanting to learn is a good thing, both in driving skill and vehicle
maintenance. :)
As for your thong comment, close but not quite. I don't think that
putting it on that little Jack Russell of yours counts! LOL (but nice
try anyway!)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Nichole [mailto:cj7wheelin@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:26 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
Okay, I need to add my .50 cents, because I am one of those jeepers
that needs help.
I understand all of the arguments you guys have made and (believe it
or not) I have had frustrations with being on a trail with another
jeeper that is not fit for the trail. In fact I have seen jeep and
driver that were not fit for the trail as well as the driver not
being fit no matter how well set up the jeep was.
I am no mechanic and do not know how to fix everything on my jeep. I
am slowly learning. I maintain it as best I can and if in doubt
about anything will stay at home. However, things do happen on the
trail and some things break without warning (hard trail or not) and
if this happens to me I will probably need help. Now, I do not like
people working on my jeep without my help (as some can vouch for) and
much prefer them to tell me what to do and they sit on the sidelines
and supervise. So does this mean I should only go on trails rated at
2 or below?? I certainly hope not. My jeep is capable of a lot and
probably more than I am at this point but I am mindful of that and
will make sure I talk with the troop leader to make sure.
So, my point is this: Because I don't know how to fix or
troubleshoot everything on my jeep and do not have every spare part
possible, does that mean I can't participate, given what I have
shared above?
I am not trying to argue so much as get everyones opinion since I
have a slightly different spin/point of view. I have asked this
question of many people I have wheeled with but would like to know
the general concensus on this.
~Nichole
p.s. I am however prepared with the thong if the need arises and all
else fails! lol
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88727 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 8:13pm
Subject: RE: Re: Damage on the trail
OH...I get it now. that "little Jack Russell of yours" is a dog. I thought
Stu had a weird pet name for her body parts. :)
Frank
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>From: "Nichole Freemon" <cj7wheelin@h...>
>To: solson8@q..., az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
>Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:40:48 -0700
>
>Dang! Well it was worth a shot! lol
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>To: "'Nichole'" <cj7wheelin@h...>, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
>Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:51:41 -0700
>
>Nichole,
>
>I do not believe you need to worry as you, IMO, do not fit the profile
>that James described. Had I not met you before, I would still say that
>solely based on your response. Everyone starts somewhere....and
>wanting to learn is a good thing, both in driving skill and vehicle
>maintenance. :)
>
>As for your thong comment, close but not quite. I don't think that
>putting it on that little Jack Russell of yours counts! LOL (but nice
>try anyway!)
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nichole [mailto:cj7wheelin@h...]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:26 PM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
>
>Okay, I need to add my .50 cents, because I am one of those jeepers
>that needs help.
>
>I understand all of the arguments you guys have made and (believe it
>or not) I have had frustrations with being on a trail with another
>jeeper that is not fit for the trail. In fact I have seen jeep and
>driver that were not fit for the trail as well as the driver not
>being fit no matter how well set up the jeep was.
>
>I am no mechanic and do not know how to fix everything on my jeep. I
>am slowly learning. I maintain it as best I can and if in doubt
>about anything will stay at home. However, things do happen on the
>trail and some things break without warning (hard trail or not) and
>if this happens to me I will probably need help. Now, I do not like
>people working on my jeep without my help (as some can vouch for) and
>much prefer them to tell me what to do and they sit on the sidelines
>and supervise. So does this mean I should only go on trails rated at
>2 or below?? I certainly hope not. My jeep is capable of a lot and
>probably more than I am at this point but I am mindful of that and
>will make sure I talk with the troop leader to make sure.
>
>So, my point is this: Because I don't know how to fix or
>troubleshoot everything on my jeep and do not have every spare part
>possible, does that mean I can't participate, given what I have
>shared above?
>
>I am not trying to argue so much as get everyones opinion since I
>have a slightly different spin/point of view. I have asked this
>question of many people I have wheeled with but would like to know
>the general concensus on this.
>
>~Nichole
>
>p.s. I am however prepared with the thong if the need arises and all
>else fails! lol
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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88728 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 8:17pm
Subject: [TR] Moab - Saturday, August 23, 2003
Hello All,Dan Degener is leading a Moab trail run on Saturday, August 23, 2003.<br><br>When: August 23rd thru August 27th
Where: Variuos trails in and around Moab
Rating: 2.0+
Length: we'll be there 5 days
CB Channel:
Myself, Dennis and Jen will be heading up with our three Jeeps early 8/23. We have our campsite reserved at the KOA for 4 nights, and we'll be leaving Wed. 8/27. We also plan on white water rafting and mountain biking. Should be a great time and if anyone would like to join us, you're more than welcome. Please e-mail me or call me.<br>
<br>
Dan
[Someone please send me some information on the trails in this area...]
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=977
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88729 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 8:26pm
Subject: Re: I am in BIG Trouble
Just think of all the clearance you'll have over the rocks.
Seriously though, why not just switch to a SUA setup. Looks like that
would drop it down enough. Not as much axlewrap then either.
Chris
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:27 PM, James Towle wrote:
> I got the tub on this evening. I am in big trouble. I am not going to
> be
> able to get in, out shouldn't be a problem (just fall).
>
> http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
>
> Oh shoot, time to back figure. Good thing I didn't order shocks yet.
>
> --James
>
> Thank you all that responded to my help needed call.
>
>
>
>
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88730 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 8:31pm
Subject: RE: Re: Damage on the trail
ROFLMAO !!!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:13 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
OH...I get it now. that "little Jack Russell of yours" is a dog. I
thought
Stu had a weird pet name for her body parts. :)
Frank
http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>From: "Nichole Freemon" <cj7wheelin@h...>
>To: solson8@q..., az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
>Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:40:48 -0700
>
>Dang! Well it was worth a shot! lol
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>To: "'Nichole'" <cj7wheelin@h...>, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
>Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:51:41 -0700
>
>Nichole,
>
>I do not believe you need to worry as you, IMO, do not fit the profile
>that James described. Had I not met you before, I would still say that
>solely based on your response. Everyone starts somewhere....and
>wanting to learn is a good thing, both in driving skill and vehicle
>maintenance. :)
>
>As for your thong comment, close but not quite. I don't think that
>putting it on that little Jack Russell of yours counts! LOL (but nice
>try anyway!)
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nichole [mailto:cj7wheelin@h...]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:26 PM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
>
>Okay, I need to add my .50 cents, because I am one of those jeepers
>that needs help.
>
>I understand all of the arguments you guys have made and (believe it
>or not) I have had frustrations with being on a trail with another
>jeeper that is not fit for the trail. In fact I have seen jeep and
>driver that were not fit for the trail as well as the driver not
>being fit no matter how well set up the jeep was.
>
>I am no mechanic and do not know how to fix everything on my jeep. I
>am slowly learning. I maintain it as best I can and if in doubt
>about anything will stay at home. However, things do happen on the
>trail and some things break without warning (hard trail or not) and
>if this happens to me I will probably need help. Now, I do not like
>people working on my jeep without my help (as some can vouch for) and
>much prefer them to tell me what to do and they sit on the sidelines
>and supervise. So does this mean I should only go on trails rated at
>2 or below?? I certainly hope not. My jeep is capable of a lot and
>probably more than I am at this point but I am mindful of that and
>will make sure I talk with the troop leader to make sure.
>
>So, my point is this: Because I don't know how to fix or
>troubleshoot everything on my jeep and do not have every spare part
>possible, does that mean I can't participate, given what I have
>shared above?
>
>I am not trying to argue so much as get everyones opinion since I
>have a slightly different spin/point of view. I have asked this
>question of many people I have wheeled with but would like to know
>the general concensus on this.
>
>~Nichole
>
>p.s. I am however prepared with the thong if the need arises and all
>else fails! lol
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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88731 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 8:57pm
Subject: RE: I am in BIG Trouble
Chris,
I think I am going to put the stock YJ springs on tomorrow and see how it
looks. These are 3.5" springs.
If I got a flat tire by my self I would have more problems, I wouldn't be
able to get the thing in the back.
--James
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:27 PM
To: James Towle
Cc: AZ_VJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am in BIG Trouble
Just think of all the clearance you'll have over the rocks.
Seriously though, why not just switch to a SUA setup. Looks like that
would drop it down enough. Not as much axlewrap then either.
Chris
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:27 PM, James Towle wrote:
> I got the tub on this evening. I am in big trouble. I am not going to
> be
> able to get in, out shouldn't be a problem (just fall).
>
> http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
>
> Oh shoot, time to back figure. Good thing I didn't order shocks yet.
>
> --James
>
> Thank you all that responded to my help needed call.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
88732 From: oveson2 <oveson.l@j...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:11pm
Subject: Weld on Tee Nut
Does anyone know where I can buy a weld on Tee Nut to accept an
1/2"x13 threaded bolt? I have checked Ace & True Value hardware,
Lowes, and Home Depot and the largest they have will only accept a
3/8" bolt.
Lyle Oveson
88733 From: CANT W8 <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:22pm
Subject: Re: Weld on Tee Nut
Lyle,
Might try:
Mark's Bolts & Nuts
7617 N. 67th Ave.
623-939-9312
HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "oveson2" <oveson.l@j...> wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can buy a weld on Tee Nut to accept an
> 1/2"x13 threaded bolt? I have checked Ace & True Value hardware,
> Lowes, and Home Depot and the largest they have will only accept a
> 3/8" bolt.
>
> Lyle Oveson
88734 From: Matt OBrien <makaioo@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:24pm
Subject: Re: I am in BIG Trouble
Sure you could. Just drop your windshield, run your winch cable up
over the roll cage and winch it right up into the bed. My narrow
track CJ-5 with SOA is tippy - not sure I'd want to be in that beast
on a side hill :)
Matt
K7MTO
> If I got a flat tire by my self I would have more problems, I
wouldn't be
> able to get the thing in the back.
88735 From: Richard Conner <richardconner@q...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:27pm
Subject: SYE and Driveshaft
www.4x4groupbuy.com
I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with my standby 4wheelers supply.
Rick
88736 From: CANT W8 <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:32pm
Subject: Re: SYE and Driveshaft
Richard,
I've done business with both. They both get A++++++ from me! Jason
over at 4 X 4 Group Buy can get you a pretty good price.
HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Conner" <richardconner@q...>
wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> www.4x4groupbuy.com
>
>
> I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has
anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with my
standby 4wheelers supply.
>
>
> Rick
88737 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 5:34pm
Subject: Re: I am in BIG Trouble
In a message dated 8/5/2003 7:29:01 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
James.Towle@a... writes:
> http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
>
Hey James, what would happen if you take the lift shackles off and put stock
ones. Wouldn't that drop it down at least an inch? I think it looks good the
way it is though, hell, I'm actually jealous. I wish mine looked like that!
Anthony C
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88738 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:37pm
Subject: Re: SYE and Driveshaft
Jasons a good guy. :)
Frank
http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>From: "Richard Conner" <richardconner@q...>
>To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] SYE and Driveshaft
>Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:27:21 -0700
>
>
>
>
>
>
>www.4x4groupbuy.com
>
>
>I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has anyone
>dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with my standby
>4wheelers supply.
>
>
>Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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88739 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:43pm
Subject: RE: SYE and Driveshaft
Jason is a local AZVJC member and is a good person to do business
with......
"Hands down, the best"
Stu
p.s. And I don't need no stinkin' disclaimers!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Conner [mailto:richardconner@q...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:27 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] SYE and Driveshaft
www.4x4groupbuy.com
I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has
anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with my
standby 4wheelers supply.
Rick
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88740 From: Brandon Reid <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:56pm
Subject: Re: SYE and Driveshaft
Jason aint much to look at, but i always enjoy doing business with
him - great deals and excellent customer service too.
Brandon
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Conner" <richardconner@q...>
wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> www.4x4groupbuy.com
>
>
> I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has
anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with
my standby 4wheelers supply.
>
>
> Rick
88741 From: barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 10:31pm
Subject: Re: SYE and Driveshaft
Rick, give me a call at Wheelers, it is hard to beat all prices but we have Advanced Adapters quality sye and its hard to beat our price, over the counter warranty, on most items and you can pick it up today!
Barry
Richard Conner <richardconner@q...> wrote:
www.4x4groupbuy.com
I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with my standby 4wheelers supply.
Rick
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88742 From: barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 10:33pm
Subject: RE: I am in BIG Trouble
James, run stock height shackles and do not run the 3.5 springs, unless your running 44's. Add some springs to the stock yj springs and run it hard.
James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:Chris,
I think I am going to put the stock YJ springs on tomorrow and see how it
looks. These are 3.5" springs.
If I got a flat tire by my self I would have more problems, I wouldn't be
able to get the thing in the back.
--James
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:27 PM
To: James Towle
Cc: AZ_VJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am in BIG Trouble
Just think of all the clearance you'll have over the rocks.
Seriously though, why not just switch to a SUA setup. Looks like that
would drop it down enough. Not as much axlewrap then either.
Chris
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:27 PM, James Towle wrote:
> I got the tub on this evening. I am in big trouble. I am not going to
> be
> able to get in, out shouldn't be a problem (just fall).
>
> http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
>
> Oh shoot, time to back figure. Good thing I didn't order shocks yet.
>
> --James
>
> Thank you all that responded to my help needed call.
>
>
>
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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88743 From: Brandon Reid <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 10:41pm
Subject: Re: SYE and Driveshaft
ooops, I did'nt mean to forget Barry, not much better lookin than
Jason, but his guys installed my sye and did a great job at a great
price. Barry always makes sure I walk away happy.
Brandon
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...> wrote:
> Rick, give me a call at Wheelers, it is hard to beat all prices
but we have Advanced Adapters quality sye and its hard to beat our
price, over the counter warranty, on most items and you can pick it
up today!
>
> Barry
>
> Richard Conner <richardconner@q...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> www.4x4groupbuy.com
>
>
> I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has
anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with
my standby 4wheelers supply.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
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88744 From: Brad <a292@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 11:04pm
Subject: Re: SYE and Driveshaft
I just wanted to echo what everyone has said about Jason. You
won't be sorry you did business with him.
Brad
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon Reid"
<mikdiamon@c...> wrote:
> Jason aint much to look at, but i always enjoy doing business
with
> him - great deals and excellent customer service too.
>
> Brandon
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Conner"
<richardconner@q...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > www.4x4groupbuy.com
> >
> >
> > I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing,
Has
> anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick
with
> my standby 4wheelers supply.
> >
> >
> > Rick
88745 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 7:16pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a "gadget", need some help
In a message dated 8/5/2003 3:35:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, purp8@c...
writes:
Yeah that thoght Crossed my mind. The Dodges came with that setup. Though
abot trying to get a center one... maybe.. Hmm, that ssomethign to think
about. Thanks for the input everyone
Best Regards
John K
My Super Duty has all of this in the overhead console . Kinda wish it was in
>
> my XJ instead . You might start searching the bone yards while the weather
> is still so nice ..... ;)
>
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> From: james hunt [mailto:jimbobac@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:02 PM
> To: hunteroffroad@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Looking for a "gadget", need some help
>
>
> i know that some of the new dodges and chevys have outdoor temp and a
> compass in the rear view mirror. you could probably install one of these,
> im not sure how much you are looking to spend. just an idea tho.....
>
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88746 From: <jhraya@c...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:38pm
Subject: Fw: [Tucson Rough Riders] Fwd: Arizona State Trails Plan - Public Participation Workshops
----- Original Message -----
From: Becky
To: tucsonroughriders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:02 PM
Subject: [Tucson Rough Riders] Fwd: Arizona State Trails Plan - Public Participation Workshops
>Hi Becky,
>I thought you or someone at TRR might be interested in these workshops.
>
>Francisco J. Mendoza
>Outdoor Recreation Planner
>PH(520) 258-7226
>FAX(520) 258-7238
>----- Forwarded by Francisco Mendoza/TFO/AZ/BLM/DOI on 08/04/2003 04:12 PM
>-----
>|---------+---------------------------->
>| | Margaret Dwyer |
>| | |
>| | 07/28/2003 03:19 |
>| | PM |
>| | |
>|---------+---------------------------->
>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> |
> |
> | To: Tom Folks/ASFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Myron
> McCoy/LHFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Steven Bonar/YFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Tom |
> | Schnell/SFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@B, Rich Hanson/PFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM,
> Francisco Mendoza/TFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Len |
> | Marceau/KFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Bill Gibson/AZSO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM,
> Thomas Bickauskas/PFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Karen |
> | Simms/TFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Tony Herrell/TFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM,
> Bonnie S Winslow/SFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Gene |
> | Dahlem/PFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Kathy Pedrick/PFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM,
> Dennis Curtis/ASFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Becky |
> | Hammond/ASFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Ken Mahoney/AZSO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM,
> Bill Childress/TFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Donald |
> | Charpio/PFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Don
> Applegate/AZSO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM
> |
> | cc:
> |
> | Subject: Arizona State Trails Plan - Public Participation
> Workshops |
>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>
>
>
>FYI, pleae pass on to interested parties.
>----- Forwarded by Margaret Dwyer/AZSO/AZ/BLM/DOI on 07/28/2003 03:17 PM
>-----
>|---------+---------------------------->
>| | Annie McVay |
>| | <amcvay@p....|
>| | az.us> |
>| | |
>| | 07/28/2003 09:37 |
>| | AM |
>| | Please respond to|
>| | Annie McVay |
>| | |
>|---------+---------------------------->
>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> |
> |
> | To:
> |
> | cc:
> |
> | Subject: Arizona State Trails Plan - Public Participation
> Workshops |
>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>
>
>
>
>Please help us get the word out to all communities and land managers about
>these public participation workshops by passing along through your
>networks.
>
>Arizona Trails 2005 Plan
>
>Arizona State Parks prepares a statewide trails plan every five years and
>is currently working on the 2005 trails plan. The plan identifies the
>needs, attitudes and preferences of Arizona's recreational trail users.
>The Arizona Trails 2005 Plan also determines funding priorities for the
>Trails Heritage Fund, OHV Recreation Fund and the federal Recreational
>Trails Program. Public participation workshops will be held around the
>state this fall to solicit input from the general public as well as land
>managers. At each meeting basic information from a large statewide
>telephone and mail survey conducted spring/summer 2003 will be presented
>followed by facilitated discussion of trail priorities. Each of the
>meetings has a targeted audience, but all meetings are open to everyone.
>The general public workshop will have individual meetings for motorized and
>nonmotorized trail interests. The meetings targeted towards land managers
>will combine motorized and nonmotorized interests.
>
>Flagstaff
>Fort Tuthill County Park, Exit 337 from I-17 and head west.
>Tuesday, September 9th 6:00 p.m. General Public Workshop
>Wednesday, September 10th 9:00 a.m. Land Managers Workshop
>
>Tucson
>Arizona Game and Fish Regional Office, 555 N. Greasewood Rd.
>Tuesday, September 23rd 6:00 p.m. General Public Workshop
>Wednesday, September 24th 9:00 a.m. Land Managers Workshop
>
>Pinetop-Lakeside
>Pinetop-Lakeside Parks and Recreation Office, 1360 N. Niels Hansen Ln.
>Tuesday, October 21st 6:00 p.m. General Public Workshop
>Wednesday, October 22nd 9:00 a.m. Land Managers Workshop
>
>Lake Havasu City
>Lake Havasu Aquatic Center, 100 Park Ave.
>Tuesday, October 28th 6:00 p.m. General Public Workshop
>Wednesday, October 29th 9:00 a.m. Land Managers Workshop
>
>Phoenix
>Wednesday, November 18th Arizona State Parks, 1300 W. Washington, 9:00 a.m.
>Land Managers Workshop
>Tuesday, November 18th - Phoenix City Hall, 300 W. Washington 6:00 p.m.
>General Public Workshop
>
>For more information contact Annie McVay at (602) 542-7116 or
>amcvay@p... Copies of the ARIZONA TRAILS 2000 PLAN are
>available online at www.pr.state.az.us/partnerships/planning/planning.html
>
>--
>Annie McVay
>Trails Coordinator
>Arizona State Parks
>1300 W. Washington St.
>Phoenix, AZ 85007
> phone (602) 542-7116
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88747 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 6, 2003 4:13am
Subject: Re: I am in BIG Trouble
I would love to run stock height shackles, but 4 Wheelers Supply
doesn't carry them (or so I am told) and I cannot run the junk that
was on it. :P
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...> wrote:
> James, run stock height shackles and do not run the 3.5 springs,
unless your running 44's. Add some springs to the stock yj springs
and run it hard.
>
> James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:Chris,
>
> I think I am going to put the stock YJ springs on tomorrow and see
how it
> looks. These are 3.5" springs.
>
> If I got a flat tire by my self I would have more problems, I
wouldn't be
> able to get the thing in the back.
>
> --James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:27 PM
> To: James Towle
> Cc: AZ_VJC
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am in BIG Trouble
>
>
> Just think of all the clearance you'll have over the rocks.
>
> Seriously though, why not just switch to a SUA setup. Looks like
that
> would drop it down enough. Not as much axlewrap then either.
>
> Chris
>
> On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:27 PM, James Towle wrote:
>
> > I got the tub on this evening. I am in big trouble. I am not
going to
> > be
> > able to get in, out shouldn't be a problem (just fall).
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
> >
> > Oh shoot, time to back figure. Good thing I didn't order shocks
yet.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > Thank you all that responded to my help needed call.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
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88748 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 6, 2003 4:27am
Subject: Re: I am in BIG Trouble
Isnt this what i told you to start with James?? :p Lookin good though
man!
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...> wrote:
> James, run stock height shackles and do not run the 3.5 springs,
unless your running 44's. Add some springs to the stock yj springs
and run it hard.
>
> James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:Chris,
>
> I think I am going to put the stock YJ springs on tomorrow and see
how it
> looks. These are 3.5" springs.
>
> If I got a flat tire by my self I would have more problems, I
wouldn't be
> able to get the thing in the back.
>
> --James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:27 PM
> To: James Towle
> Cc: AZ_VJC
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am in BIG Trouble
>
>
> Just think of all the clearance you'll have over the rocks.
>
> Seriously though, why not just switch to a SUA setup. Looks like
that
> would drop it down enough. Not as much axlewrap then either.
>
> Chris
>
> On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:27 PM, James Towle wrote:
>
> > I got the tub on this evening. I am in big trouble. I am not
going to
> > be
> > able to get in, out shouldn't be a problem (just fall).
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
> >
> > Oh shoot, time to back figure. Good thing I didn't order shocks
yet.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > Thank you all that responded to my help needed call.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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88749 From: Daver <daver@i...>
Date: Wed Aug 6, 2003 6:48am
Subject: Re: Re: I am in BIG Trouble
Redrill your existing shackles and cut them off.
At 11:13 AM 8/6/2003 +0000, jetowle2000 wrote:
>I would love to run stock height shackles, but 4 Wheelers Supply
>doesn't carry them (or so I am told) and I cannot run the junk that
>was on it. :P
>
>--James
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...> wrote:
> > James, run stock height shackles and do not run the 3.5 springs,
>unless your running 44's. Add some springs to the stock yj springs
>and run it hard.
> >
> > James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:Chris,
> >
> > I think I am going to put the stock YJ springs on tomorrow and see
>how it
> > looks. These are 3.5" springs.
> >
> > If I got a flat tire by my self I would have more problems, I
>wouldn't be
> > able to get the thing in the back.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:27 PM
> > To: James Towle
> > Cc: AZ_VJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am in BIG Trouble
> >
> >
> > Just think of all the clearance you'll have over the rocks.
> >
> > Seriously though, why not just switch to a SUA setup. Looks like
>that
> > would drop it down enough. Not as much axlewrap then either.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:27 PM, James Towle wrote:
> >
> > > I got the tub on this evening. I am in big trouble. I am not
>going to
> > > be
> > > able to get in, out shouldn't be a problem (just fall).
> > >
> > > http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
> > >
> > > Oh shoot, time to back figure. Good thing I didn't order shocks
>yet.
> > >
> > > --James
> > >
> > > Thank you all that responded to my help needed call.
> > >
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88750 From: S.R.D. <sreggiedavis@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 6, 2003 7:16am
Subject: NOHVCC Workshop...Not going to make it...
I removed my name as well as Jess' due to the "three members per
club" guideline. I was under the very strong impression that it was
important that we unite and make a consolidated showing here and now.
There were such urgent words on this board about the need for as many
of us to participate as possible, to unite, to stand together with
other enthusiasts (quads, hunters, other 4x4 clubs, etc.) and not to
just sit around assuming others would speak for us. We were to take
steps to make ourselves heard. I suppose we were just being too
loud.
88726 From: Nichole Freemon <cj7wheelin@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 7:40pm
Subject: RE: Re: Damage on the trail
Dang! Well it was worth a shot! lol
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Nichole'" <cj7wheelin@h...>, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:51:41 -0700
Nichole,
I do not believe you need to worry as you, IMO, do not fit the profile
that James described. Had I not met you before, I would still say that
solely based on your response. Everyone starts somewhere....and
wanting to learn is a good thing, both in driving skill and vehicle
maintenance. :)
As for your thong comment, close but not quite. I don't think that
putting it on that little Jack Russell of yours counts! LOL (but nice
try anyway!)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Nichole [mailto:cj7wheelin@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:26 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
Okay, I need to add my .50 cents, because I am one of those jeepers
that needs help.
I understand all of the arguments you guys have made and (believe it
or not) I have had frustrations with being on a trail with another
jeeper that is not fit for the trail. In fact I have seen jeep and
driver that were not fit for the trail as well as the driver not
being fit no matter how well set up the jeep was.
I am no mechanic and do not know how to fix everything on my jeep. I
am slowly learning. I maintain it as best I can and if in doubt
about anything will stay at home. However, things do happen on the
trail and some things break without warning (hard trail or not) and
if this happens to me I will probably need help. Now, I do not like
people working on my jeep without my help (as some can vouch for) and
much prefer them to tell me what to do and they sit on the sidelines
and supervise. So does this mean I should only go on trails rated at
2 or below?? I certainly hope not. My jeep is capable of a lot and
probably more than I am at this point but I am mindful of that and
will make sure I talk with the troop leader to make sure.
So, my point is this: Because I don't know how to fix or
troubleshoot everything on my jeep and do not have every spare part
possible, does that mean I can't participate, given what I have
shared above?
I am not trying to argue so much as get everyones opinion since I
have a slightly different spin/point of view. I have asked this
question of many people I have wheeled with but would like to know
the general concensus on this.
~Nichole
p.s. I am however prepared with the thong if the need arises and all
else fails! lol
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88727 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 8:13pm
Subject: RE: Re: Damage on the trail
OH...I get it now. that "little Jack Russell of yours" is a dog. I thought
Stu had a weird pet name for her body parts. :)
Frank
http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>From: "Nichole Freemon" <cj7wheelin@h...>
>To: solson8@q..., az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
>Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:40:48 -0700
>
>Dang! Well it was worth a shot! lol
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>To: "'Nichole'" <cj7wheelin@h...>, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
>Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:51:41 -0700
>
>Nichole,
>
>I do not believe you need to worry as you, IMO, do not fit the profile
>that James described. Had I not met you before, I would still say that
>solely based on your response. Everyone starts somewhere....and
>wanting to learn is a good thing, both in driving skill and vehicle
>maintenance. :)
>
>As for your thong comment, close but not quite. I don't think that
>putting it on that little Jack Russell of yours counts! LOL (but nice
>try anyway!)
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nichole [mailto:cj7wheelin@h...]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:26 PM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
>
>Okay, I need to add my .50 cents, because I am one of those jeepers
>that needs help.
>
>I understand all of the arguments you guys have made and (believe it
>or not) I have had frustrations with being on a trail with another
>jeeper that is not fit for the trail. In fact I have seen jeep and
>driver that were not fit for the trail as well as the driver not
>being fit no matter how well set up the jeep was.
>
>I am no mechanic and do not know how to fix everything on my jeep. I
>am slowly learning. I maintain it as best I can and if in doubt
>about anything will stay at home. However, things do happen on the
>trail and some things break without warning (hard trail or not) and
>if this happens to me I will probably need help. Now, I do not like
>people working on my jeep without my help (as some can vouch for) and
>much prefer them to tell me what to do and they sit on the sidelines
>and supervise. So does this mean I should only go on trails rated at
>2 or below?? I certainly hope not. My jeep is capable of a lot and
>probably more than I am at this point but I am mindful of that and
>will make sure I talk with the troop leader to make sure.
>
>So, my point is this: Because I don't know how to fix or
>troubleshoot everything on my jeep and do not have every spare part
>possible, does that mean I can't participate, given what I have
>shared above?
>
>I am not trying to argue so much as get everyones opinion since I
>have a slightly different spin/point of view. I have asked this
>question of many people I have wheeled with but would like to know
>the general concensus on this.
>
>~Nichole
>
>p.s. I am however prepared with the thong if the need arises and all
>else fails! lol
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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88728 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 8:17pm
Subject: [TR] Moab - Saturday, August 23, 2003
Hello All,Dan Degener is leading a Moab trail run on Saturday, August 23, 2003.<br><br>When: August 23rd thru August 27th
Where: Variuos trails in and around Moab
Rating: 2.0+
Length: we'll be there 5 days
CB Channel:
Myself, Dennis and Jen will be heading up with our three Jeeps early 8/23. We have our campsite reserved at the KOA for 4 nights, and we'll be leaving Wed. 8/27. We also plan on white water rafting and mountain biking. Should be a great time and if anyone would like to join us, you're more than welcome. Please e-mail me or call me.<br>
<br>
Dan
[Someone please send me some information on the trails in this area...]
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=977
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88729 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 8:26pm
Subject: Re: I am in BIG Trouble
Just think of all the clearance you'll have over the rocks.
Seriously though, why not just switch to a SUA setup. Looks like that
would drop it down enough. Not as much axlewrap then either.
Chris
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:27 PM, James Towle wrote:
> I got the tub on this evening. I am in big trouble. I am not going to
> be
> able to get in, out shouldn't be a problem (just fall).
>
> http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
>
> Oh shoot, time to back figure. Good thing I didn't order shocks yet.
>
> --James
>
> Thank you all that responded to my help needed call.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
88730 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 8:31pm
Subject: RE: Re: Damage on the trail
ROFLMAO !!!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:13 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
OH...I get it now. that "little Jack Russell of yours" is a dog. I
thought
Stu had a weird pet name for her body parts. :)
Frank
http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>From: "Nichole Freemon" <cj7wheelin@h...>
>To: solson8@q..., az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
>Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:40:48 -0700
>
>Dang! Well it was worth a shot! lol
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>To: "'Nichole'" <cj7wheelin@h...>, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
>Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:51:41 -0700
>
>Nichole,
>
>I do not believe you need to worry as you, IMO, do not fit the profile
>that James described. Had I not met you before, I would still say that
>solely based on your response. Everyone starts somewhere....and
>wanting to learn is a good thing, both in driving skill and vehicle
>maintenance. :)
>
>As for your thong comment, close but not quite. I don't think that
>putting it on that little Jack Russell of yours counts! LOL (but nice
>try anyway!)
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nichole [mailto:cj7wheelin@h...]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:26 PM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Damage on the trail
>
>Okay, I need to add my .50 cents, because I am one of those jeepers
>that needs help.
>
>I understand all of the arguments you guys have made and (believe it
>or not) I have had frustrations with being on a trail with another
>jeeper that is not fit for the trail. In fact I have seen jeep and
>driver that were not fit for the trail as well as the driver not
>being fit no matter how well set up the jeep was.
>
>I am no mechanic and do not know how to fix everything on my jeep. I
>am slowly learning. I maintain it as best I can and if in doubt
>about anything will stay at home. However, things do happen on the
>trail and some things break without warning (hard trail or not) and
>if this happens to me I will probably need help. Now, I do not like
>people working on my jeep without my help (as some can vouch for) and
>much prefer them to tell me what to do and they sit on the sidelines
>and supervise. So does this mean I should only go on trails rated at
>2 or below?? I certainly hope not. My jeep is capable of a lot and
>probably more than I am at this point but I am mindful of that and
>will make sure I talk with the troop leader to make sure.
>
>So, my point is this: Because I don't know how to fix or
>troubleshoot everything on my jeep and do not have every spare part
>possible, does that mean I can't participate, given what I have
>shared above?
>
>I am not trying to argue so much as get everyones opinion since I
>have a slightly different spin/point of view. I have asked this
>question of many people I have wheeled with but would like to know
>the general concensus on this.
>
>~Nichole
>
>p.s. I am however prepared with the thong if the need arises and all
>else fails! lol
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88731 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 8:57pm
Subject: RE: I am in BIG Trouble
Chris,
I think I am going to put the stock YJ springs on tomorrow and see how it
looks. These are 3.5" springs.
If I got a flat tire by my self I would have more problems, I wouldn't be
able to get the thing in the back.
--James
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:27 PM
To: James Towle
Cc: AZ_VJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am in BIG Trouble
Just think of all the clearance you'll have over the rocks.
Seriously though, why not just switch to a SUA setup. Looks like that
would drop it down enough. Not as much axlewrap then either.
Chris
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:27 PM, James Towle wrote:
> I got the tub on this evening. I am in big trouble. I am not going to
> be
> able to get in, out shouldn't be a problem (just fall).
>
> http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
>
> Oh shoot, time to back figure. Good thing I didn't order shocks yet.
>
> --James
>
> Thank you all that responded to my help needed call.
>
>
>
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88732 From: oveson2 <oveson.l@j...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:11pm
Subject: Weld on Tee Nut
Does anyone know where I can buy a weld on Tee Nut to accept an
1/2"x13 threaded bolt? I have checked Ace & True Value hardware,
Lowes, and Home Depot and the largest they have will only accept a
3/8" bolt.
Lyle Oveson
88733 From: CANT W8 <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:22pm
Subject: Re: Weld on Tee Nut
Lyle,
Might try:
Mark's Bolts & Nuts
7617 N. 67th Ave.
623-939-9312
HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "oveson2" <oveson.l@j...> wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can buy a weld on Tee Nut to accept an
> 1/2"x13 threaded bolt? I have checked Ace & True Value hardware,
> Lowes, and Home Depot and the largest they have will only accept a
> 3/8" bolt.
>
> Lyle Oveson
88734 From: Matt OBrien <makaioo@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:24pm
Subject: Re: I am in BIG Trouble
Sure you could. Just drop your windshield, run your winch cable up
over the roll cage and winch it right up into the bed. My narrow
track CJ-5 with SOA is tippy - not sure I'd want to be in that beast
on a side hill :)
Matt
K7MTO
> If I got a flat tire by my self I would have more problems, I
wouldn't be
> able to get the thing in the back.
88735 From: Richard Conner <richardconner@q...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:27pm
Subject: SYE and Driveshaft
www.4x4groupbuy.com
I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with my standby 4wheelers supply.
Rick
88736 From: CANT W8 <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:32pm
Subject: Re: SYE and Driveshaft
Richard,
I've done business with both. They both get A++++++ from me! Jason
over at 4 X 4 Group Buy can get you a pretty good price.
HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Conner" <richardconner@q...>
wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> www.4x4groupbuy.com
>
>
> I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has
anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with my
standby 4wheelers supply.
>
>
> Rick
88737 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 5:34pm
Subject: Re: I am in BIG Trouble
In a message dated 8/5/2003 7:29:01 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
James.Towle@a... writes:
> http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
>
Hey James, what would happen if you take the lift shackles off and put stock
ones. Wouldn't that drop it down at least an inch? I think it looks good the
way it is though, hell, I'm actually jealous. I wish mine looked like that!
Anthony C
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88738 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:37pm
Subject: Re: SYE and Driveshaft
Jasons a good guy. :)
Frank
http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>From: "Richard Conner" <richardconner@q...>
>To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] SYE and Driveshaft
>Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:27:21 -0700
>
>
>
>
>
>
>www.4x4groupbuy.com
>
>
>I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has anyone
>dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with my standby
>4wheelers supply.
>
>
>Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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88739 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:43pm
Subject: RE: SYE and Driveshaft
Jason is a local AZVJC member and is a good person to do business
with......
"Hands down, the best"
Stu
p.s. And I don't need no stinkin' disclaimers!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Conner [mailto:richardconner@q...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:27 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] SYE and Driveshaft
www.4x4groupbuy.com
I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has
anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with my
standby 4wheelers supply.
Rick
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88740 From: Brandon Reid <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:56pm
Subject: Re: SYE and Driveshaft
Jason aint much to look at, but i always enjoy doing business with
him - great deals and excellent customer service too.
Brandon
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Conner" <richardconner@q...>
wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> www.4x4groupbuy.com
>
>
> I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has
anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with
my standby 4wheelers supply.
>
>
> Rick
88741 From: barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 10:31pm
Subject: Re: SYE and Driveshaft
Rick, give me a call at Wheelers, it is hard to beat all prices but we have Advanced Adapters quality sye and its hard to beat our price, over the counter warranty, on most items and you can pick it up today!
Barry
Richard Conner <richardconner@q...> wrote:
www.4x4groupbuy.com
I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with my standby 4wheelers supply.
Rick
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88742 From: barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 10:33pm
Subject: RE: I am in BIG Trouble
James, run stock height shackles and do not run the 3.5 springs, unless your running 44's. Add some springs to the stock yj springs and run it hard.
James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:Chris,
I think I am going to put the stock YJ springs on tomorrow and see how it
looks. These are 3.5" springs.
If I got a flat tire by my self I would have more problems, I wouldn't be
able to get the thing in the back.
--James
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:27 PM
To: James Towle
Cc: AZ_VJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am in BIG Trouble
Just think of all the clearance you'll have over the rocks.
Seriously though, why not just switch to a SUA setup. Looks like that
would drop it down enough. Not as much axlewrap then either.
Chris
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:27 PM, James Towle wrote:
> I got the tub on this evening. I am in big trouble. I am not going to
> be
> able to get in, out shouldn't be a problem (just fall).
>
> http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
>
> Oh shoot, time to back figure. Good thing I didn't order shocks yet.
>
> --James
>
> Thank you all that responded to my help needed call.
>
>
>
>
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88743 From: Brandon Reid <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 10:41pm
Subject: Re: SYE and Driveshaft
ooops, I did'nt mean to forget Barry, not much better lookin than
Jason, but his guys installed my sye and did a great job at a great
price. Barry always makes sure I walk away happy.
Brandon
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...> wrote:
> Rick, give me a call at Wheelers, it is hard to beat all prices
but we have Advanced Adapters quality sye and its hard to beat our
price, over the counter warranty, on most items and you can pick it
up today!
>
> Barry
>
> Richard Conner <richardconner@q...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> www.4x4groupbuy.com
>
>
> I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing, Has
anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick with
my standby 4wheelers supply.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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88744 From: Brad <a292@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 11:04pm
Subject: Re: SYE and Driveshaft
I just wanted to echo what everyone has said about Jason. You
won't be sorry you did business with him.
Brad
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon Reid"
<mikdiamon@c...> wrote:
> Jason aint much to look at, but i always enjoy doing business
with
> him - great deals and excellent customer service too.
>
> Brandon
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Conner"
<richardconner@q...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > www.4x4groupbuy.com
> >
> >
> > I'm looking at an SYE and driveshaft, That I'll be installing,
Has
> anyone dealt with the groupbuy folks above ? Or should I stick
with
> my standby 4wheelers supply.
> >
> >
> > Rick
88745 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 7:16pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a "gadget", need some help
In a message dated 8/5/2003 3:35:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, purp8@c...
writes:
Yeah that thoght Crossed my mind. The Dodges came with that setup. Though
abot trying to get a center one... maybe.. Hmm, that ssomethign to think
about. Thanks for the input everyone
Best Regards
John K
My Super Duty has all of this in the overhead console . Kinda wish it was in
>
> my XJ instead . You might start searching the bone yards while the weather
> is still so nice ..... ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: james hunt [mailto:jimbobac@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:02 PM
> To: hunteroffroad@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Looking for a "gadget", need some help
>
>
> i know that some of the new dodges and chevys have outdoor temp and a
> compass in the rear view mirror. you could probably install one of these,
> im not sure how much you are looking to spend. just an idea tho.....
>
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88746 From: <jhraya@c...>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:38pm
Subject: Fw: [Tucson Rough Riders] Fwd: Arizona State Trails Plan - Public Participation Workshops
----- Original Message -----
From: Becky
To: tucsonroughriders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:02 PM
Subject: [Tucson Rough Riders] Fwd: Arizona State Trails Plan - Public Participation Workshops
>Hi Becky,
>I thought you or someone at TRR might be interested in these workshops.
>
>Francisco J. Mendoza
>Outdoor Recreation Planner
>PH(520) 258-7226
>FAX(520) 258-7238
>----- Forwarded by Francisco Mendoza/TFO/AZ/BLM/DOI on 08/04/2003 04:12 PM
>-----
>|---------+---------------------------->
>| | Margaret Dwyer |
>| | |
>| | 07/28/2003 03:19 |
>| | PM |
>| | |
>|---------+---------------------------->
>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> |
> |
> | To: Tom Folks/ASFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Myron
> McCoy/LHFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Steven Bonar/YFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Tom |
> | Schnell/SFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@B, Rich Hanson/PFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM,
> Francisco Mendoza/TFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Len |
> | Marceau/KFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Bill Gibson/AZSO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM,
> Thomas Bickauskas/PFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Karen |
> | Simms/TFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Tony Herrell/TFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM,
> Bonnie S Winslow/SFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Gene |
> | Dahlem/PFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Kathy Pedrick/PFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM,
> Dennis Curtis/ASFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Becky |
> | Hammond/ASFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Ken Mahoney/AZSO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM,
> Bill Childress/TFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Donald |
> | Charpio/PFO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM, Don
> Applegate/AZSO/AZ/BLM/DOI@BLM
> |
> | cc:
> |
> | Subject: Arizona State Trails Plan - Public Participation
> Workshops |
>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>
>
>
>FYI, pleae pass on to interested parties.
>----- Forwarded by Margaret Dwyer/AZSO/AZ/BLM/DOI on 07/28/2003 03:17 PM
>-----
>|---------+---------------------------->
>| | Annie McVay |
>| | <amcvay@p....|
>| | az.us> |
>| | |
>| | 07/28/2003 09:37 |
>| | AM |
>| | Please respond to|
>| | Annie McVay |
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> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> |
> |
> | To:
> |
> | cc:
> |
> | Subject: Arizona State Trails Plan - Public Participation
> Workshops |
>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>
>
>
>
>Please help us get the word out to all communities and land managers about
>these public participation workshops by passing along through your
>networks.
>
>Arizona Trails 2005 Plan
>
>Arizona State Parks prepares a statewide trails plan every five years and
>is currently working on the 2005 trails plan. The plan identifies the
>needs, attitudes and preferences of Arizona's recreational trail users.
>The Arizona Trails 2005 Plan also determines funding priorities for the
>Trails Heritage Fund, OHV Recreation Fund and the federal Recreational
>Trails Program. Public participation workshops will be held around the
>state this fall to solicit input from the general public as well as land
>managers. At each meeting basic information from a large statewide
>telephone and mail survey conducted spring/summer 2003 will be presented
>followed by facilitated discussion of trail priorities. Each of the
>meetings has a targeted audience, but all meetings are open to everyone.
>The general public workshop will have individual meetings for motorized and
>nonmotorized trail interests. The meetings targeted towards land managers
>will combine motorized and nonmotorized interests.
>
>Flagstaff
>Fort Tuthill County Park, Exit 337 from I-17 and head west.
>Tuesday, September 9th 6:00 p.m. General Public Workshop
>Wednesday, September 10th 9:00 a.m. Land Managers Workshop
>
>Tucson
>Arizona Game and Fish Regional Office, 555 N. Greasewood Rd.
>Tuesday, September 23rd 6:00 p.m. General Public Workshop
>Wednesday, September 24th 9:00 a.m. Land Managers Workshop
>
>Pinetop-Lakeside
>Pinetop-Lakeside Parks and Recreation Office, 1360 N. Niels Hansen Ln.
>Tuesday, October 21st 6:00 p.m. General Public Workshop
>Wednesday, October 22nd 9:00 a.m. Land Managers Workshop
>
>Lake Havasu City
>Lake Havasu Aquatic Center, 100 Park Ave.
>Tuesday, October 28th 6:00 p.m. General Public Workshop
>Wednesday, October 29th 9:00 a.m. Land Managers Workshop
>
>Phoenix
>Wednesday, November 18th Arizona State Parks, 1300 W. Washington, 9:00 a.m.
>Land Managers Workshop
>Tuesday, November 18th - Phoenix City Hall, 300 W. Washington 6:00 p.m.
>General Public Workshop
>
>For more information contact Annie McVay at (602) 542-7116 or
>amcvay@p... Copies of the ARIZONA TRAILS 2000 PLAN are
>available online at www.pr.state.az.us/partnerships/planning/planning.html
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88747 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 6, 2003 4:13am
Subject: Re: I am in BIG Trouble
I would love to run stock height shackles, but 4 Wheelers Supply
doesn't carry them (or so I am told) and I cannot run the junk that
was on it. :P
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...> wrote:
> James, run stock height shackles and do not run the 3.5 springs,
unless your running 44's. Add some springs to the stock yj springs
and run it hard.
>
> James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:Chris,
>
> I think I am going to put the stock YJ springs on tomorrow and see
how it
> looks. These are 3.5" springs.
>
> If I got a flat tire by my self I would have more problems, I
wouldn't be
> able to get the thing in the back.
>
> --James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:27 PM
> To: James Towle
> Cc: AZ_VJC
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am in BIG Trouble
>
>
> Just think of all the clearance you'll have over the rocks.
>
> Seriously though, why not just switch to a SUA setup. Looks like
that
> would drop it down enough. Not as much axlewrap then either.
>
> Chris
>
> On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:27 PM, James Towle wrote:
>
> > I got the tub on this evening. I am in big trouble. I am not
going to
> > be
> > able to get in, out shouldn't be a problem (just fall).
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
> >
> > Oh shoot, time to back figure. Good thing I didn't order shocks
yet.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > Thank you all that responded to my help needed call.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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88748 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 6, 2003 4:27am
Subject: Re: I am in BIG Trouble
Isnt this what i told you to start with James?? :p Lookin good though
man!
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...> wrote:
> James, run stock height shackles and do not run the 3.5 springs,
unless your running 44's. Add some springs to the stock yj springs
and run it hard.
>
> James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:Chris,
>
> I think I am going to put the stock YJ springs on tomorrow and see
how it
> looks. These are 3.5" springs.
>
> If I got a flat tire by my self I would have more problems, I
wouldn't be
> able to get the thing in the back.
>
> --James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:27 PM
> To: James Towle
> Cc: AZ_VJC
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am in BIG Trouble
>
>
> Just think of all the clearance you'll have over the rocks.
>
> Seriously though, why not just switch to a SUA setup. Looks like
that
> would drop it down enough. Not as much axlewrap then either.
>
> Chris
>
> On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:27 PM, James Towle wrote:
>
> > I got the tub on this evening. I am in big trouble. I am not
going to
> > be
> > able to get in, out shouldn't be a problem (just fall).
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
> >
> > Oh shoot, time to back figure. Good thing I didn't order shocks
yet.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > Thank you all that responded to my help needed call.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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88749 From: Daver <daver@i...>
Date: Wed Aug 6, 2003 6:48am
Subject: Re: Re: I am in BIG Trouble
Redrill your existing shackles and cut them off.
At 11:13 AM 8/6/2003 +0000, jetowle2000 wrote:
>I would love to run stock height shackles, but 4 Wheelers Supply
>doesn't carry them (or so I am told) and I cannot run the junk that
>was on it. :P
>
>--James
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...> wrote:
> > James, run stock height shackles and do not run the 3.5 springs,
>unless your running 44's. Add some springs to the stock yj springs
>and run it hard.
> >
> > James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:Chris,
> >
> > I think I am going to put the stock YJ springs on tomorrow and see
>how it
> > looks. These are 3.5" springs.
> >
> > If I got a flat tire by my self I would have more problems, I
>wouldn't be
> > able to get the thing in the back.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:27 PM
> > To: James Towle
> > Cc: AZ_VJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am in BIG Trouble
> >
> >
> > Just think of all the clearance you'll have over the rocks.
> >
> > Seriously though, why not just switch to a SUA setup. Looks like
>that
> > would drop it down enough. Not as much axlewrap then either.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:27 PM, James Towle wrote:
> >
> > > I got the tub on this evening. I am in big trouble. I am not
>going to
> > > be
> > > able to get in, out shouldn't be a problem (just fall).
> > >
> > > http://members.cox.net/jeepin1/DSC01969.JPG
> > >
> > > Oh shoot, time to back figure. Good thing I didn't order shocks
>yet.
> > >
> > > --James
> > >
> > > Thank you all that responded to my help needed call.
> > >
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88750 From: S.R.D. <sreggiedavis@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 6, 2003 7:16am
Subject: NOHVCC Workshop...Not going to make it...
I removed my name as well as Jess' due to the "three members per
club" guideline. I was under the very strong impression that it was
important that we unite and make a consolidated showing here and now.
There were such urgent words on this board about the need for as many
of us to participate as possible, to unite, to stand together with
other enthusiasts (quads, hunters, other 4x4 clubs, etc.) and not to
just sit around assuming others would speak for us. We were to take
steps to make ourselves heard. I suppose we were just being too
loud.