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88326 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 7:53pm
Subject: I need a stock TJ/ZJ front trac bar
This is really going to sound dumb since I just gave up 2 last week, but I
need a stock TJ or ZJ front trac bar. It will save me a bunch of work on my
project, the way I have it figured. The TRE of the trac bar doesn't have to
be good just the bushing end.
Maybe a newer XJ trac bar will work too.
TIA
--James
PS - If the guy that got the trac bars from me wants to give one back, I
would really appreciate it. I think it was one of the John's.
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88327 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:01pm
Subject: Tub is almost finished, 1st stage
I went and looked at my tub today, for my project. It is sweet. The 11"
between the door and the fender well looks great. I need to take some
pictures next time I go down to the shop. When I get it home, tomorrow or
Wenesday, the cutting on the floor will start, barring a 1" BL to solve a
bunch of anticipated problems.
Maybe it will be done in 3 weeks.
--James
88328 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:41pm
Subject: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,Joey Kulich is leading a Crown King from Lake Pleasant trail run on Saturday, August 16, 2003.<br><br>When: Saturday the 16th of August
Where: Meeting at various orgins and times to converge on Crown King
Rating: 3.0-
Length: ALL DAY
CB Channel:
Annual Crown King Run<br>
<br>
This is it. Another year to make our way to Crown King.<br>
<br>
Sign up here to be counted then sign up for a run you can make (below). Last year we had several runs starting at various times and locations. There will be runs starting from Lake Pleasent, Turkey Creek, Senetor Highway from Prescott or even the Crown King road.<br>
6:00 AM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=956">Crown King from Lake Pleasant Early Bird Run</a> Lead by Hackle</font>
<br>
7:00 AM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=961">Crown King from Lake Pleasant</a> Lead by Stu Olson</font>
<br>
8:00 AM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=959">Crown King from Lake Pleasant</a> Lead by Kent Warner</font>
<br>
9:00 AM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=960">Crown King from Lake Pleasant</a> Lead by Sharky</font>
<br>
10:00 AM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=964">Lake Pleasant to Crown King</a> Lead by Kevin Carr</font>
<br>
11:00 AM
<br>
1:30 PM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=966">Crown King from Lake Pleasant</a> Lead by Leonard Pennock</font>
<br>
7:00 AM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=957"> Turkey Creek</a> Lead by Joey K</font>
<br>
If you are intrested in leading a run from a different location or time post it.
<br>
I just wanted to send this message and I or someone else will send it again before the trip. The trail times are when the group leaves. If you sign up for my early bird run at 6:00 and show up at 6:05 you will be well behind the group and probably be aired down and ready when Stu leaves at 7:00. We will have a lot of vehicles on the trail at the same time and need to be on time to keep each group separate from the others. Of course everyone wants to be well ahead of Sharky as we all know how his trips to Crown King end up. BTW anyone that is an EMT might want to think about joining Sharky's group:)<br>
Jim F. aka Hackle
More details to follow as details get ironed out.<br>
<br>
Joey K<br>
93YJ
The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local favorite. On any given weekend, there will be numerous groups of four wheelers, ATV's and motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a fun and scenic trail into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. <a href="../Main/History.asp">This trail was the first trip ever done by AzVJC.</a>
The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd and travels through the foot hills and up the side of the mountain, giving nice views of Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher optional sections that can make it interesting.
The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort Misery and Oro Belle, both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the Bradshaw Mountains. All that remains now, are foundations and a few crumbling walls. Fort Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as the small creek usually has running water and there are trees to provide shade.
In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery through Oro Belle to Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the summer, an early start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising temperatures.
Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through the cool pines and into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to eat and have a drink, and a general store that sells some excellent fudge. The old Crown King Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later hauled up (many years ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the saloon was built into the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly accessable from the rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs served as a place repose for women of ill fame.
There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near Crown King for those wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is via the main road which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee. You can split off and go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to the Freeway quicker, or keep going strait and go through the little town of Bumble Bee.
Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway toward Prescott or Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during snow season. If you have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through Crown King and up to the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent views and you can join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=955
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88329 From: <azice626@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 4:50pm
Subject: Re: How to lift a Cj7?
I put the 4" on my CJ5 and didn't have to do any of that....no vibes...no
worries....
T.J. Gill
75 CJ5 w/Stuff
90 XJ w/Stuff, Too
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88330 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:49pm
Subject: RE: death wobble blues.......
Michael,
I'd attack the problem in the following manner:
1. Check to make sure your front trackbar is tight at the frame end mount
AND that the bushing/mount at the axle end is in good shape and not warn
excessively.
2. Center your steering wheel by adjusting the drag length.
3. Adjust your toe-in.
My guess is that your front trackbar is loose and moving around.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@h...]
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:46 AM
To: Jeep club email; Stu Olson; Joe West Boss of jeep club
Subject: death wobble blues.......
OK, I've fought the Death wobble issue for the last several years, the
current and continuing problem seems to have a lot to do with the stock "Y'
style draglink/tie-rod setup that comes factory.
I can fix the wobble by adjusting the toe-in, but it seems to change every
few months as the tires wear, or the springs settle (or something).
Would an upgrade to a straight tie-rod draglink setup fix this?
I have placed spacers onto of the 4" springs to compensate for the
equipment added to the jeep, and currently have about 5" total lift.
I have checked the tires, wheels and tie rod ends.
Perhaps an "s" shape draglink ?
Any suggestions would be welcome!
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
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88331 From: trmn8rjn98 <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:51pm
Subject: Re: I need a stock TJ/ZJ front trac bar
That was me. You are welcome to have one back. Just have to come out
& get it.
John
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> This is really going to sound dumb since I just gave up 2 last
week, but I
> need a stock TJ or ZJ front trac bar. It will save me a bunch of
work on my
> project, the way I have it figured. The TRE of the trac bar doesn't
have to
> be good just the bushing end.
>
> Maybe a newer XJ trac bar will work too.
>
> TIA
>
> --James
>
> PS - If the guy that got the trac bars from me wants to give one
back, I
> would really appreciate it. I think it was one of the John's.
88332 From: Kevin Gallagher <GIThunder81@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:27pm
Subject: Paint Estimates
Ok I met with Pete today and he and I talked. He would
really like to see the vehicles so he can give an exact quote but here
is a little example of his pricing. He recently did a CJ-5 black high
gloss paint with custom pearl ghost flames the full outside of the jeep
and the body work ( dings and dents) for 2,000 dollars. The owner had
been quoted as high as 3,500 dollars. He labor charge for paint or body
work is only 40.00 per hour. He didn't want to give quotes on the
vehicles because he and I weren't sure if you guys wanted body work done
as well or just sand and paint over what you had.. Sorry for any
disappointments but he really is cheap. The shop is called Paint by Pete
and is located in buckeye Arizona and his number is 623-386-7343. I am
sure if you were to call and give him a really detailed description of
what all needs to be painted he might be able to do something, but some
of the requests I had were pretty vauge and I didn't want to over or
under quote anyone and casue a problem. He is a great guy and does great
work, he has a book with al the custom jobs he has done in casne anyone
is interested. Give him a call, and tell him exactly what you need done
and I am sure he will be cheaper than anyone else. I know from my
experience he was 300 cheaper than anyone else. Good luck and keep the
rubber side down
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88333 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:47am
Subject: [TR] Florence Junction Area - Thursday, July 31, 2003
Hello All,Erik Vasquez is leading a Florence Junction Area trail run on Thursday, July 31, 2003.<br><br>When: 7-7:15 am
Where: Cottonwood Entrance
Rating: 2.0+
Length: all - day
CB Channel: 4
Will be running Upper and Lower Woodpecker, so anyone off this day feel free to join!
Also known as the Arizona State Association of Four Wheel Drive Clubs (ASA4WDC) Jamboree site, the Florence Junction area offers a multitude of trails in varying degrees of difficulty. The variety of available trails is one reason the ASA4WDC has its annual Jamboree there.
There are trails for beginners in relatively stock vehicles like <a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=31 target=mainpage>Foothills </a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=35 target=mainpage>Martinez Cabin</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=22 target=mainpage>Myers (Ajax) Loop</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=21 target=mainpage>Pictograph Wash</a>, and<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=36 target=mainpage>Sunset point</a>.
There are also a variety of Moderate trails like <a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=7 target=mainpage>Ajax (Lower)</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=48 target=mainpage>Box Canyon</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=34 target=mainpage>Coke Ovens</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=29 target=mainpage>Flat Tire Canyon</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=20 target=mainpage>Jack Handle</a>, and<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=37 target=mainpage>Orville's Loop</a>.
Then, of course, there are the Extreme trails like<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=14 target=mainpage>Ajax (Upper)</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=32 target=mainpage>Axle Alley</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=33 target=mainpage>Highway To Hell</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=30 target=mainpage>Jaw Breaker</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=19 target=mainpage>Martinez Canyon</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=5 target=mainpage>Woodpecker (Lower)</a>, and<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=6 target=mainpage>Woodpecker (Upper)</a>.
In addition to the trails named above, there a alot of unnamed trails, most of which are old mining roads. Please stay on existing trails and remember to TREAD LIGHTLY!
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=969
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88334 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 5:29am
Subject: RE: My flexin' rock
I WANNA TRY I WANNA TRY!!!! What part of the west side are ya at?? I got
new 33's and they haven't seen the dirt yet!
-----Original Message-----
From: James Rogers [mailto:skijunkie@c...]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:44 PM
To: azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] My flexin' rock
http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1143
http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1146
http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1149
I got a flexin' rock for my front yard. It weighs over a ton
(literally),
however it felt like more. The real mother was that after they dropped
it
where I told them to and left, I decided I wanted it facing the other
direction. Oh well, nothing a Jeep and a tow strap can't fix, right?
The
immovable object vs. the TJ. The TJ won, I got it right where I wanted
it.
So if any west siders need to test their flex and can't find a ramp,
drop by
and test out my big rock.
(BTW, with my low riding baby tired little TJ, I can only get up it on
the
corner. I'll be happy when I get my lift and tires and can walk right
up
the high part.)
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88335 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:20am
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone wanna guess
Not exactly correct. Yes, the J-arms do go under the axle, but I
believe the still offer more clearance than the tock control arm
brackets.
Chris
On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 05:30 PM, Scott Maiden wrote:
> No disadvantages,? like arms running under the axle like rock
> anchors?? ;p
>
> Scott Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
>> Yes sir !!!
>> I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be running a
> single,
>> longer upper control arm in the front.
>> The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so this
> makes it a
>> "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
>> It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> disadvantages ;)
>>
>>
>> :)
>> Fred
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
>> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
>>
>>
>>> Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame with
> lower J arms
>>> for the rear.... Did I win?
>>>
>>> Rio
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
>>> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
88336 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:46am
Subject: Re: My flexin' rock
Will they ever see dirt?
Chris
---------------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "OneBdJeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> I WANNA TRY I WANNA TRY!!!! What part of the west side are ya at??
I got
> new 33's and they haven't seen the dirt yet!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Rogers [mailto:skijunkie@c...]
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:44 PM
> To: azvjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] My flexin' rock
>
> http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1143
> http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1146
> http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1149
>
> I got a flexin' rock for my front yard. It weighs over a ton
> (literally),
> however it felt like more. The real mother was that after they
dropped
> it
> where I told them to and left, I decided I wanted it facing the
other
> direction. Oh well, nothing a Jeep and a tow strap can't fix,
right?
> The
> immovable object vs. the TJ. The TJ won, I got it right where I
wanted
> it.
> So if any west siders need to test their flex and can't find a
ramp,
> drop by
> and test out my big rock.
>
> (BTW, with my low riding baby tired little TJ, I can only get up
it on
> the
> corner. I'll be happy when I get my lift and tires and can walk
right
> up
> the high part.)
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
88337 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:57am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, August 2, 2003
Hello All,Todd McCullen is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, August 2, 2003.<br><br>When: Saturday AUG 2 7:00pm pullout
Where: Jamboree site on cottonwood canyon
Rating: None
Length: who knows its a night run
CB Channel: 4
Planning to run Overdose & Bad Medicine. Depends on how many rigs.<br>
This a run for equipped rigs only. "Lockers" and "Working Winch" required. There are some tight spots and good waterfalls so if you are worried about body damage, these trails are not for you.
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=970
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88338 From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:11am
Subject: advantages/disadvantages? [was Re: Anyone wanna guess]
Thanks for the information. You mention that you don't think the J
arms would work well for lifts over 4", but isn't the Currie 'Fire
Ant' lifted more than that??? I haven't kept up with Currie
Enterprises show cars. I have been looking for a magazine review of
the J-arms and have yet to find one. It looks like Fred is going to
be the test case. :-)
Linda
54 wagon -- as old as the UNIVAC
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> As for the J arms, The only advantages that I see (someone
correct
> me if I'm missing something) are more control of the axle due to
the
> mounting point being around the back of the axle. The extra length
> is only because it has to wrap around. It also has jonnie joints
at
> both ends for more articulation. For a long arm kit, I see many
> advantages. With a tall lift, it soaks up the bumps MUCH better
than
> short arms because the angle of the arm is less severe since its
> frame mounting point is moved back. Also with the added length, it
> can articulate alot further with far less stress on the arms, axle
> and all the components since the "arc" of movement is alot larger.
> Most long arm kits mount to the frame up above the skid plate so
> there is no (or very little) interference to cause hang ups. The
> arms can actually slide along a rock and help get you over an
> obstacle with less stress on axle components since the tire is
> hitting the rock below 90 deg. to the rock. If triangulating the
> long arms, you get added benefiets of losing your track bar and
> allowing for articulation in both directions to be the same. I
think
> that the most obvious benefiets that someone will see of the long
> arms is if you are over 6" of lift and feel bumps on the road.
With
> short arms you can actually feel and see the axle pushing back into
> the arm and frame. With a long arm, your angle is far less severe
> and it absorbs the bumps MUCH softer. With that and the larger
arc,
> you have alot less wear on bushings, joints, and axle parts. The J
> arms are great for lifts that are 4" or less, but I don't see them
> working nearly as well with taller Jeeps. Can anyone show me that
> they work for taller lifts?
>
> Mike Anderson
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Linda" <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > What do you consider the advantages and disadvantages of the J-
arms
> > (medium length control arms) and long-arms?
> >
> > I almost converted my old ZJ to a long-arm setup but backed off
> after
> > examining the design/fab/materials/maintenance costs versus what
I
> > would get out it. Then I sold the Jeep :-(
> >
> > Linda
> > 54 wagon - old tech being refreshed
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> > > The J arms DO offer some advantages that long arms have, not
ALL,
> > and
> > > they DO have disadvantages. I'll stick with my long arms, I
like
> > the
> > > advantages that they offer.
> > >
> > > Mike Anderson
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > > Yes sir !!!
> > > > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be
> running
> > a
> > > single,
> > > > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > > > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so
> this
> > > makes it a
> > > > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > > > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> > > disadvantages ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame
with
> > > lower J arms
> > > > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rio
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > :)
> > > > > > Fred
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
88339 From: S.R.D. <azphxguy@u...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:47am
Subject: CLUNK!! Fixed
It turns out that Lon was right about the clunk culprit!! The
passenger side engine mount bolts sheared off where the mount was
connected to the engine. I had only looked at the bolts where it
mounts to the frame. Moore drilled and extracted the three bolts,
replaced the, replaced the fan, fan clutch, fan shroud, and
serpentine belt. YAY Moore!!
88340 From: Mike <msa12171@a...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 9:02am
Subject: Re: My flexin' rock
It's not big enough. :(
Mike Anderson
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Rogers" <skijunkie@c...> wrote:
> http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1143
> http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1146
> http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1149
>
> I got a flexin' rock for my front yard. It weighs over a ton
(literally),
> however it felt like more. The real mother was that after they
dropped it
> where I told them to and left, I decided I wanted it facing the
other
> direction. Oh well, nothing a Jeep and a tow strap can't fix,
right? The
> immovable object vs. the TJ. The TJ won, I got it right where I
wanted it.
> So if any west siders need to test their flex and can't find a
ramp, drop by
> and test out my big rock.
>
> (BTW, with my low riding baby tired little TJ, I can only get up it
on the
> corner. I'll be happy when I get my lift and tires and can walk
right up
> the high part.)
88341 From: Mike <msa12171@a...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 9:07am
Subject: advantages/disadvantages? [was Re: Anyone wanna guess]
Don't forget that the fireant is not driven daily on the street
either. That makes a HUGE difference. Also, it has to have the
steering redone (drag link angles) to make it better on the street at
that height as well.
Mike Anderson
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Linda" <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> Thanks for the information. You mention that you don't think the J
> arms would work well for lifts over 4", but isn't the Currie 'Fire
> Ant' lifted more than that??? I haven't kept up with Currie
> Enterprises show cars. I have been looking for a magazine review of
> the J-arms and have yet to find one. It looks like Fred is going to
> be the test case. :-)
>
> Linda
> 54 wagon -- as old as the UNIVAC
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> > As for the J arms, The only advantages that I see (someone
> correct
> > me if I'm missing something) are more control of the axle due to
> the
> > mounting point being around the back of the axle. The extra
length
> > is only because it has to wrap around. It also has jonnie joints
> at
> > both ends for more articulation. For a long arm kit, I see many
> > advantages. With a tall lift, it soaks up the bumps MUCH better
> than
> > short arms because the angle of the arm is less severe since its
> > frame mounting point is moved back. Also with the added length,
it
> > can articulate alot further with far less stress on the arms,
axle
> > and all the components since the "arc" of movement is alot
larger.
> > Most long arm kits mount to the frame up above the skid plate so
> > there is no (or very little) interference to cause hang ups. The
> > arms can actually slide along a rock and help get you over an
> > obstacle with less stress on axle components since the tire is
> > hitting the rock below 90 deg. to the rock. If triangulating the
> > long arms, you get added benefiets of losing your track bar and
> > allowing for articulation in both directions to be the same. I
> think
> > that the most obvious benefiets that someone will see of the long
> > arms is if you are over 6" of lift and feel bumps on the road.
> With
> > short arms you can actually feel and see the axle pushing back
into
> > the arm and frame. With a long arm, your angle is far less
severe
> > and it absorbs the bumps MUCH softer. With that and the larger
> arc,
> > you have alot less wear on bushings, joints, and axle parts. The
J
> > arms are great for lifts that are 4" or less, but I don't see
them
> > working nearly as well with taller Jeeps. Can anyone show me
that
> > they work for taller lifts?
> >
> > Mike Anderson
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Linda" <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > What do you consider the advantages and disadvantages of the J-
> arms
> > > (medium length control arms) and long-arms?
> > >
> > > I almost converted my old ZJ to a long-arm setup but backed off
> > after
> > > examining the design/fab/materials/maintenance costs versus
what
> I
> > > would get out it. Then I sold the Jeep :-(
> > >
> > > Linda
> > > 54 wagon - old tech being refreshed
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> > > > The J arms DO offer some advantages that long arms have, not
> ALL,
> > > and
> > > > they DO have disadvantages. I'll stick with my long arms, I
> like
> > > the
> > > > advantages that they offer.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Anderson
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Yes sir !!!
> > > > > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be
> > running
> > > a
> > > > single,
> > > > > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > > > > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so
> > this
> > > > makes it a
> > > > > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > > > > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> > > > disadvantages ;)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > :)
> > > > > Fred
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame
> with
> > > > lower J arms
> > > > > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rio
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > Fred
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
88342 From: Tony Axtell <tony@i...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 10:51am
Subject: Re: How to lift a Cj7?
I'm interested in knowing what kind of lift you did that you didnt need
anything. Or what motor/trans and transfer case you have.
I have a 258 with T-18 and model 20 transfer case, My driveline is about
20 inches if that. With the 4inch superlift spings with perch shims
and transfercase drop, the driveline angle was so radicle that I couldnt
get over 40mph without vibrating my feet off the floor. I was truely in
phear i was going to throw the driveline, infact I know it would have
eventualy.
I also couldnt imagine the steering angle you may have with no pitman
drop. Or your axles hanging off the stock brake lines. Are you sure you
have a 4" lift?
The CJ7 has alot more room for the driveline angles to not be so
radicle, He may not need the perches cut/re-angled, or CV driveline.
Tony Axtell 78C5
azice626@a... wrote:
> I put the 4" on my CJ5 and didn't have to do any of that....no vibes...no
> worries....
>
> T.J. Gill
> 75 CJ5 w/Stuff
> 90 XJ w/Stuff, Too
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
> .
>
88343 From: k0ly <koly@k...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:46pm
Subject: Wanted: 2000 Cherokee rear bumper
Hi all - new to the group - I'm looking for a rear bumper for my
2000 Cherokee Sport to replace the OEM one bent when I was rear-
ended.
Anyone have one laying around they'd like to part with?
Feel free to reply off list.
TIA
Bob K.
88344 From: Nathan <Nathanos_2000@Y...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:19pm
Subject: FS or Trade '76 Dodge Tuck
For those who enjoy a more spartan lifestyle we have the 1976 M880.
This is a 3/4ton Dodge truck with a 318 V8, at, posi rear end, full-
time 4wd and 33x12.50 General Grabbers(50%tread). The truck was
first owned by the USMC, then Rural/Metro fire and one or two more
folks before me. The odometer reads about 62k, and it seems about
right. The truck just passed emissions and is ready to go. Would
love to trade for a decent XJ with 4.0/4wd and ac.
I will post a pic under my profile.
Thanks,
Nathan Mendenhall
480-620-3839
Nathanos_2000@y...
88345 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:29pm
Subject: Re: WANTED: Stock TJ parts
Just look around the corner for most of it. I have all that.
Chris
On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 11:18 AM, Mike Baney wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am working on a little project, and wanted to see if anyone has some
> stock TJ Coils, control arms, and track bars. If you want to get rid
> of
> them, for real cheap, like a 12 pack or something, let me know!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Baney
>
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88346 From: frank Smith <vetterecker@y...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:17pm
Subject: Lockers wanted
I am looking for used or reasonably priced lockers for my 88 xj. I have a 35c rear and a 30 front. I am also in the marker for some rock sliders.
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88347 From: Scott Tate <scott@f...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:36pm
Subject: Need some garage space for a week or two
All,
I'm in a little bit of a pickle. I'm moving out of my townhouse
(last day of the month is Thursday) and in with my friend for awhile.
Well, he told me he was going to clean out his garage for my jeep (for
the last 3 weeks) and it is still full of junk. I'm in the middle of a
radiator change (some of you may have seen the posts about the aluminum
radiators from Ron Davis and LT1 engines), so I can't really park it on
the street. Anyone have an extra garage or some garage space that they
would like to rent me for awhile? I'd much rather rent some space than
use my friend's garage. I'm a good weekend wrenching buddy! And, the
beer would most certainly always be on me! Anyway, let me know.
Thanks.
Scott Tate
FYI, they live on the Mesa/Gilbert border at Country Club and the 60
freeway. So, the closer the better.
TIA.
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88348 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:47pm
Subject: Re: CLUNK!! Fixed
I've had to replace the engine mounts on my 94 YJ three times and counting.
What the hell does Chrysler make their engine mounts out of? Recycled
aluminum?
Oddly enough, my transmission mount has never been replaced and is still
in good shape.
Tony
S.R.D. wrote:
>It turns out that Lon was right about the clunk culprit!! The
>passenger side engine mount bolts sheared off where the mount was
>connected to the engine. I had only looked at the bolts where it
>mounts to the frame. Moore drilled and extracted the three bolts,
>replaced the, replaced the fan, fan clutch, fan shroud, and
>serpentine belt. YAY Moore!!
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
88349 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:59pm
Subject: Re: CLUNK!! Fixed
And you have yet to try something else? I think after the second set
Id be looking for a better alternative :p Im running M.O.R.E.'s
1"lift bombproof motormounts with no problems for 2 years of hard
wheelin now, just an idea ;)
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
wrote:
>
> I've had to replace the engine mounts on my 94 YJ three times and
counting.
> What the hell does Chrysler make their engine mounts out of?
Recycled
> aluminum?
> Oddly enough, my transmission mount has never been replaced and is
still
> in good shape.
>
> Tony
>
> S.R.D. wrote:
>
> >It turns out that Lon was right about the clunk culprit!! The
> >passenger side engine mount bolts sheared off where the mount was
> >connected to the engine. I had only looked at the bolts where it
> >mounts to the frame. Moore drilled and extracted the three bolts,
> >replaced the, replaced the fan, fan clutch, fan shroud, and
> >serpentine belt. YAY Moore!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
88350 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:59pm
Subject: Tonto lifts closures
http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/tonto/news/press_rel/MostRestricLifted072803.html
Thought I would pass this along. Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
88326 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 7:53pm
Subject: I need a stock TJ/ZJ front trac bar
This is really going to sound dumb since I just gave up 2 last week, but I
need a stock TJ or ZJ front trac bar. It will save me a bunch of work on my
project, the way I have it figured. The TRE of the trac bar doesn't have to
be good just the bushing end.
Maybe a newer XJ trac bar will work too.
TIA
--James
PS - If the guy that got the trac bars from me wants to give one back, I
would really appreciate it. I think it was one of the John's.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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88327 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:01pm
Subject: Tub is almost finished, 1st stage
I went and looked at my tub today, for my project. It is sweet. The 11"
between the door and the fender well looks great. I need to take some
pictures next time I go down to the shop. When I get it home, tomorrow or
Wenesday, the cutting on the floor will start, barring a 1" BL to solve a
bunch of anticipated problems.
Maybe it will be done in 3 weeks.
--James
88328 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:41pm
Subject: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 16, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,Joey Kulich is leading a Crown King from Lake Pleasant trail run on Saturday, August 16, 2003.<br><br>When: Saturday the 16th of August
Where: Meeting at various orgins and times to converge on Crown King
Rating: 3.0-
Length: ALL DAY
CB Channel:
Annual Crown King Run<br>
<br>
This is it. Another year to make our way to Crown King.<br>
<br>
Sign up here to be counted then sign up for a run you can make (below). Last year we had several runs starting at various times and locations. There will be runs starting from Lake Pleasent, Turkey Creek, Senetor Highway from Prescott or even the Crown King road.<br>
6:00 AM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=956">Crown King from Lake Pleasant Early Bird Run</a> Lead by Hackle</font>
<br>
7:00 AM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=961">Crown King from Lake Pleasant</a> Lead by Stu Olson</font>
<br>
8:00 AM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=959">Crown King from Lake Pleasant</a> Lead by Kent Warner</font>
<br>
9:00 AM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=960">Crown King from Lake Pleasant</a> Lead by Sharky</font>
<br>
10:00 AM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=964">Lake Pleasant to Crown King</a> Lead by Kevin Carr</font>
<br>
11:00 AM
<br>
1:30 PM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=966">Crown King from Lake Pleasant</a> Lead by Leonard Pennock</font>
<br>
7:00 AM <font face="Arial"><a href="../Trips/View.asp?T=957"> Turkey Creek</a> Lead by Joey K</font>
<br>
If you are intrested in leading a run from a different location or time post it.
<br>
I just wanted to send this message and I or someone else will send it again before the trip. The trail times are when the group leaves. If you sign up for my early bird run at 6:00 and show up at 6:05 you will be well behind the group and probably be aired down and ready when Stu leaves at 7:00. We will have a lot of vehicles on the trail at the same time and need to be on time to keep each group separate from the others. Of course everyone wants to be well ahead of Sharky as we all know how his trips to Crown King end up. BTW anyone that is an EMT might want to think about joining Sharky's group:)<br>
Jim F. aka Hackle
More details to follow as details get ironed out.<br>
<br>
Joey K<br>
93YJ
The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local favorite. On any given weekend, there will be numerous groups of four wheelers, ATV's and motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a fun and scenic trail into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. <a href="../Main/History.asp">This trail was the first trip ever done by AzVJC.</a>
The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd and travels through the foot hills and up the side of the mountain, giving nice views of Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher optional sections that can make it interesting.
The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort Misery and Oro Belle, both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the Bradshaw Mountains. All that remains now, are foundations and a few crumbling walls. Fort Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as the small creek usually has running water and there are trees to provide shade.
In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery through Oro Belle to Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the summer, an early start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising temperatures.
Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through the cool pines and into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to eat and have a drink, and a general store that sells some excellent fudge. The old Crown King Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later hauled up (many years ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the saloon was built into the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly accessable from the rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs served as a place repose for women of ill fame.
There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near Crown King for those wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is via the main road which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee. You can split off and go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to the Freeway quicker, or keep going strait and go through the little town of Bumble Bee.
Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway toward Prescott or Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during snow season. If you have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through Crown King and up to the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent views and you can join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=955
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88329 From: <azice626@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 4:50pm
Subject: Re: How to lift a Cj7?
I put the 4" on my CJ5 and didn't have to do any of that....no vibes...no
worries....
T.J. Gill
75 CJ5 w/Stuff
90 XJ w/Stuff, Too
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88330 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:49pm
Subject: RE: death wobble blues.......
Michael,
I'd attack the problem in the following manner:
1. Check to make sure your front trackbar is tight at the frame end mount
AND that the bushing/mount at the axle end is in good shape and not warn
excessively.
2. Center your steering wheel by adjusting the drag length.
3. Adjust your toe-in.
My guess is that your front trackbar is loose and moving around.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@h...]
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:46 AM
To: Jeep club email; Stu Olson; Joe West Boss of jeep club
Subject: death wobble blues.......
OK, I've fought the Death wobble issue for the last several years, the
current and continuing problem seems to have a lot to do with the stock "Y'
style draglink/tie-rod setup that comes factory.
I can fix the wobble by adjusting the toe-in, but it seems to change every
few months as the tires wear, or the springs settle (or something).
Would an upgrade to a straight tie-rod draglink setup fix this?
I have placed spacers onto of the 4" springs to compensate for the
equipment added to the jeep, and currently have about 5" total lift.
I have checked the tires, wheels and tie rod ends.
Perhaps an "s" shape draglink ?
Any suggestions would be welcome!
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
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88331 From: trmn8rjn98 <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:51pm
Subject: Re: I need a stock TJ/ZJ front trac bar
That was me. You are welcome to have one back. Just have to come out
& get it.
John
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> This is really going to sound dumb since I just gave up 2 last
week, but I
> need a stock TJ or ZJ front trac bar. It will save me a bunch of
work on my
> project, the way I have it figured. The TRE of the trac bar doesn't
have to
> be good just the bushing end.
>
> Maybe a newer XJ trac bar will work too.
>
> TIA
>
> --James
>
> PS - If the guy that got the trac bars from me wants to give one
back, I
> would really appreciate it. I think it was one of the John's.
88332 From: Kevin Gallagher <GIThunder81@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:27pm
Subject: Paint Estimates
Ok I met with Pete today and he and I talked. He would
really like to see the vehicles so he can give an exact quote but here
is a little example of his pricing. He recently did a CJ-5 black high
gloss paint with custom pearl ghost flames the full outside of the jeep
and the body work ( dings and dents) for 2,000 dollars. The owner had
been quoted as high as 3,500 dollars. He labor charge for paint or body
work is only 40.00 per hour. He didn't want to give quotes on the
vehicles because he and I weren't sure if you guys wanted body work done
as well or just sand and paint over what you had.. Sorry for any
disappointments but he really is cheap. The shop is called Paint by Pete
and is located in buckeye Arizona and his number is 623-386-7343. I am
sure if you were to call and give him a really detailed description of
what all needs to be painted he might be able to do something, but some
of the requests I had were pretty vauge and I didn't want to over or
under quote anyone and casue a problem. He is a great guy and does great
work, he has a book with al the custom jobs he has done in casne anyone
is interested. Give him a call, and tell him exactly what you need done
and I am sure he will be cheaper than anyone else. I know from my
experience he was 300 cheaper than anyone else. Good luck and keep the
rubber side down
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88333 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:47am
Subject: [TR] Florence Junction Area - Thursday, July 31, 2003
Hello All,Erik Vasquez is leading a Florence Junction Area trail run on Thursday, July 31, 2003.<br><br>When: 7-7:15 am
Where: Cottonwood Entrance
Rating: 2.0+
Length: all - day
CB Channel: 4
Will be running Upper and Lower Woodpecker, so anyone off this day feel free to join!
Also known as the Arizona State Association of Four Wheel Drive Clubs (ASA4WDC) Jamboree site, the Florence Junction area offers a multitude of trails in varying degrees of difficulty. The variety of available trails is one reason the ASA4WDC has its annual Jamboree there.
There are trails for beginners in relatively stock vehicles like <a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=31 target=mainpage>Foothills </a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=35 target=mainpage>Martinez Cabin</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=22 target=mainpage>Myers (Ajax) Loop</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=21 target=mainpage>Pictograph Wash</a>, and<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=36 target=mainpage>Sunset point</a>.
There are also a variety of Moderate trails like <a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=7 target=mainpage>Ajax (Lower)</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=48 target=mainpage>Box Canyon</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=34 target=mainpage>Coke Ovens</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=29 target=mainpage>Flat Tire Canyon</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=20 target=mainpage>Jack Handle</a>, and<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=37 target=mainpage>Orville's Loop</a>.
Then, of course, there are the Extreme trails like<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=14 target=mainpage>Ajax (Upper)</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=32 target=mainpage>Axle Alley</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=33 target=mainpage>Highway To Hell</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=30 target=mainpage>Jaw Breaker</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=19 target=mainpage>Martinez Canyon</a>,<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=5 target=mainpage>Woodpecker (Lower)</a>, and<a href=http://www.azvjc.org/trails/view.asp?T=6 target=mainpage>Woodpecker (Upper)</a>.
In addition to the trails named above, there a alot of unnamed trails, most of which are old mining roads. Please stay on existing trails and remember to TREAD LIGHTLY!
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88334 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 5:29am
Subject: RE: My flexin' rock
I WANNA TRY I WANNA TRY!!!! What part of the west side are ya at?? I got
new 33's and they haven't seen the dirt yet!
-----Original Message-----
From: James Rogers [mailto:skijunkie@c...]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:44 PM
To: azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] My flexin' rock
http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1143
http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1146
http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1149
I got a flexin' rock for my front yard. It weighs over a ton
(literally),
however it felt like more. The real mother was that after they dropped
it
where I told them to and left, I decided I wanted it facing the other
direction. Oh well, nothing a Jeep and a tow strap can't fix, right?
The
immovable object vs. the TJ. The TJ won, I got it right where I wanted
it.
So if any west siders need to test their flex and can't find a ramp,
drop by
and test out my big rock.
(BTW, with my low riding baby tired little TJ, I can only get up it on
the
corner. I'll be happy when I get my lift and tires and can walk right
up
the high part.)
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88335 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:20am
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone wanna guess
Not exactly correct. Yes, the J-arms do go under the axle, but I
believe the still offer more clearance than the tock control arm
brackets.
Chris
On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 05:30 PM, Scott Maiden wrote:
> No disadvantages,? like arms running under the axle like rock
> anchors?? ;p
>
> Scott Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
>> Yes sir !!!
>> I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be running a
> single,
>> longer upper control arm in the front.
>> The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so this
> makes it a
>> "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
>> It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> disadvantages ;)
>>
>>
>> :)
>> Fred
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
>> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
>>
>>
>>> Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame with
> lower J arms
>>> for the rear.... Did I win?
>>>
>>> Rio
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
>>> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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88336 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:46am
Subject: Re: My flexin' rock
Will they ever see dirt?
Chris
---------------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "OneBdJeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> I WANNA TRY I WANNA TRY!!!! What part of the west side are ya at??
I got
> new 33's and they haven't seen the dirt yet!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Rogers [mailto:skijunkie@c...]
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:44 PM
> To: azvjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] My flexin' rock
>
> http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1143
> http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1146
> http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1149
>
> I got a flexin' rock for my front yard. It weighs over a ton
> (literally),
> however it felt like more. The real mother was that after they
dropped
> it
> where I told them to and left, I decided I wanted it facing the
other
> direction. Oh well, nothing a Jeep and a tow strap can't fix,
right?
> The
> immovable object vs. the TJ. The TJ won, I got it right where I
wanted
> it.
> So if any west siders need to test their flex and can't find a
ramp,
> drop by
> and test out my big rock.
>
> (BTW, with my low riding baby tired little TJ, I can only get up
it on
> the
> corner. I'll be happy when I get my lift and tires and can walk
right
> up
> the high part.)
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
88337 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:57am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, August 2, 2003
Hello All,Todd McCullen is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, August 2, 2003.<br><br>When: Saturday AUG 2 7:00pm pullout
Where: Jamboree site on cottonwood canyon
Rating: None
Length: who knows its a night run
CB Channel: 4
Planning to run Overdose & Bad Medicine. Depends on how many rigs.<br>
This a run for equipped rigs only. "Lockers" and "Working Winch" required. There are some tight spots and good waterfalls so if you are worried about body damage, these trails are not for you.
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=970
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88338 From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:11am
Subject: advantages/disadvantages? [was Re: Anyone wanna guess]
Thanks for the information. You mention that you don't think the J
arms would work well for lifts over 4", but isn't the Currie 'Fire
Ant' lifted more than that??? I haven't kept up with Currie
Enterprises show cars. I have been looking for a magazine review of
the J-arms and have yet to find one. It looks like Fred is going to
be the test case. :-)
Linda
54 wagon -- as old as the UNIVAC
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> As for the J arms, The only advantages that I see (someone
correct
> me if I'm missing something) are more control of the axle due to
the
> mounting point being around the back of the axle. The extra length
> is only because it has to wrap around. It also has jonnie joints
at
> both ends for more articulation. For a long arm kit, I see many
> advantages. With a tall lift, it soaks up the bumps MUCH better
than
> short arms because the angle of the arm is less severe since its
> frame mounting point is moved back. Also with the added length, it
> can articulate alot further with far less stress on the arms, axle
> and all the components since the "arc" of movement is alot larger.
> Most long arm kits mount to the frame up above the skid plate so
> there is no (or very little) interference to cause hang ups. The
> arms can actually slide along a rock and help get you over an
> obstacle with less stress on axle components since the tire is
> hitting the rock below 90 deg. to the rock. If triangulating the
> long arms, you get added benefiets of losing your track bar and
> allowing for articulation in both directions to be the same. I
think
> that the most obvious benefiets that someone will see of the long
> arms is if you are over 6" of lift and feel bumps on the road.
With
> short arms you can actually feel and see the axle pushing back into
> the arm and frame. With a long arm, your angle is far less severe
> and it absorbs the bumps MUCH softer. With that and the larger
arc,
> you have alot less wear on bushings, joints, and axle parts. The J
> arms are great for lifts that are 4" or less, but I don't see them
> working nearly as well with taller Jeeps. Can anyone show me that
> they work for taller lifts?
>
> Mike Anderson
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Linda" <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > What do you consider the advantages and disadvantages of the J-
arms
> > (medium length control arms) and long-arms?
> >
> > I almost converted my old ZJ to a long-arm setup but backed off
> after
> > examining the design/fab/materials/maintenance costs versus what
I
> > would get out it. Then I sold the Jeep :-(
> >
> > Linda
> > 54 wagon - old tech being refreshed
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> > > The J arms DO offer some advantages that long arms have, not
ALL,
> > and
> > > they DO have disadvantages. I'll stick with my long arms, I
like
> > the
> > > advantages that they offer.
> > >
> > > Mike Anderson
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > > Yes sir !!!
> > > > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be
> running
> > a
> > > single,
> > > > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > > > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so
> this
> > > makes it a
> > > > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > > > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> > > disadvantages ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame
with
> > > lower J arms
> > > > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rio
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > :)
> > > > > > Fred
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
88339 From: S.R.D. <azphxguy@u...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:47am
Subject: CLUNK!! Fixed
It turns out that Lon was right about the clunk culprit!! The
passenger side engine mount bolts sheared off where the mount was
connected to the engine. I had only looked at the bolts where it
mounts to the frame. Moore drilled and extracted the three bolts,
replaced the, replaced the fan, fan clutch, fan shroud, and
serpentine belt. YAY Moore!!
88340 From: Mike <msa12171@a...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 9:02am
Subject: Re: My flexin' rock
It's not big enough. :(
Mike Anderson
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Rogers" <skijunkie@c...> wrote:
> http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1143
> http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1146
> http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/DCP_1149
>
> I got a flexin' rock for my front yard. It weighs over a ton
(literally),
> however it felt like more. The real mother was that after they
dropped it
> where I told them to and left, I decided I wanted it facing the
other
> direction. Oh well, nothing a Jeep and a tow strap can't fix,
right? The
> immovable object vs. the TJ. The TJ won, I got it right where I
wanted it.
> So if any west siders need to test their flex and can't find a
ramp, drop by
> and test out my big rock.
>
> (BTW, with my low riding baby tired little TJ, I can only get up it
on the
> corner. I'll be happy when I get my lift and tires and can walk
right up
> the high part.)
88341 From: Mike <msa12171@a...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 9:07am
Subject: advantages/disadvantages? [was Re: Anyone wanna guess]
Don't forget that the fireant is not driven daily on the street
either. That makes a HUGE difference. Also, it has to have the
steering redone (drag link angles) to make it better on the street at
that height as well.
Mike Anderson
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Linda" <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> Thanks for the information. You mention that you don't think the J
> arms would work well for lifts over 4", but isn't the Currie 'Fire
> Ant' lifted more than that??? I haven't kept up with Currie
> Enterprises show cars. I have been looking for a magazine review of
> the J-arms and have yet to find one. It looks like Fred is going to
> be the test case. :-)
>
> Linda
> 54 wagon -- as old as the UNIVAC
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> > As for the J arms, The only advantages that I see (someone
> correct
> > me if I'm missing something) are more control of the axle due to
> the
> > mounting point being around the back of the axle. The extra
length
> > is only because it has to wrap around. It also has jonnie joints
> at
> > both ends for more articulation. For a long arm kit, I see many
> > advantages. With a tall lift, it soaks up the bumps MUCH better
> than
> > short arms because the angle of the arm is less severe since its
> > frame mounting point is moved back. Also with the added length,
it
> > can articulate alot further with far less stress on the arms,
axle
> > and all the components since the "arc" of movement is alot
larger.
> > Most long arm kits mount to the frame up above the skid plate so
> > there is no (or very little) interference to cause hang ups. The
> > arms can actually slide along a rock and help get you over an
> > obstacle with less stress on axle components since the tire is
> > hitting the rock below 90 deg. to the rock. If triangulating the
> > long arms, you get added benefiets of losing your track bar and
> > allowing for articulation in both directions to be the same. I
> think
> > that the most obvious benefiets that someone will see of the long
> > arms is if you are over 6" of lift and feel bumps on the road.
> With
> > short arms you can actually feel and see the axle pushing back
into
> > the arm and frame. With a long arm, your angle is far less
severe
> > and it absorbs the bumps MUCH softer. With that and the larger
> arc,
> > you have alot less wear on bushings, joints, and axle parts. The
J
> > arms are great for lifts that are 4" or less, but I don't see
them
> > working nearly as well with taller Jeeps. Can anyone show me
that
> > they work for taller lifts?
> >
> > Mike Anderson
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Linda" <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > What do you consider the advantages and disadvantages of the J-
> arms
> > > (medium length control arms) and long-arms?
> > >
> > > I almost converted my old ZJ to a long-arm setup but backed off
> > after
> > > examining the design/fab/materials/maintenance costs versus
what
> I
> > > would get out it. Then I sold the Jeep :-(
> > >
> > > Linda
> > > 54 wagon - old tech being refreshed
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> > > > The J arms DO offer some advantages that long arms have, not
> ALL,
> > > and
> > > > they DO have disadvantages. I'll stick with my long arms, I
> like
> > > the
> > > > advantages that they offer.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Anderson
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Yes sir !!!
> > > > > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be
> > running
> > > a
> > > > single,
> > > > > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > > > > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so
> > this
> > > > makes it a
> > > > > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > > > > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> > > > disadvantages ;)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > :)
> > > > > Fred
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame
> with
> > > > lower J arms
> > > > > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rio
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > Fred
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
88342 From: Tony Axtell <tony@i...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 10:51am
Subject: Re: How to lift a Cj7?
I'm interested in knowing what kind of lift you did that you didnt need
anything. Or what motor/trans and transfer case you have.
I have a 258 with T-18 and model 20 transfer case, My driveline is about
20 inches if that. With the 4inch superlift spings with perch shims
and transfercase drop, the driveline angle was so radicle that I couldnt
get over 40mph without vibrating my feet off the floor. I was truely in
phear i was going to throw the driveline, infact I know it would have
eventualy.
I also couldnt imagine the steering angle you may have with no pitman
drop. Or your axles hanging off the stock brake lines. Are you sure you
have a 4" lift?
The CJ7 has alot more room for the driveline angles to not be so
radicle, He may not need the perches cut/re-angled, or CV driveline.
Tony Axtell 78C5
azice626@a... wrote:
> I put the 4" on my CJ5 and didn't have to do any of that....no vibes...no
> worries....
>
> T.J. Gill
> 75 CJ5 w/Stuff
> 90 XJ w/Stuff, Too
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
> .
>
88343 From: k0ly <koly@k...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:46pm
Subject: Wanted: 2000 Cherokee rear bumper
Hi all - new to the group - I'm looking for a rear bumper for my
2000 Cherokee Sport to replace the OEM one bent when I was rear-
ended.
Anyone have one laying around they'd like to part with?
Feel free to reply off list.
TIA
Bob K.
88344 From: Nathan <Nathanos_2000@Y...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:19pm
Subject: FS or Trade '76 Dodge Tuck
For those who enjoy a more spartan lifestyle we have the 1976 M880.
This is a 3/4ton Dodge truck with a 318 V8, at, posi rear end, full-
time 4wd and 33x12.50 General Grabbers(50%tread). The truck was
first owned by the USMC, then Rural/Metro fire and one or two more
folks before me. The odometer reads about 62k, and it seems about
right. The truck just passed emissions and is ready to go. Would
love to trade for a decent XJ with 4.0/4wd and ac.
I will post a pic under my profile.
Thanks,
Nathan Mendenhall
480-620-3839
Nathanos_2000@y...
88345 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:29pm
Subject: Re: WANTED: Stock TJ parts
Just look around the corner for most of it. I have all that.
Chris
On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 11:18 AM, Mike Baney wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am working on a little project, and wanted to see if anyone has some
> stock TJ Coils, control arms, and track bars. If you want to get rid
> of
> them, for real cheap, like a 12 pack or something, let me know!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Baney
>
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88346 From: frank Smith <vetterecker@y...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:17pm
Subject: Lockers wanted
I am looking for used or reasonably priced lockers for my 88 xj. I have a 35c rear and a 30 front. I am also in the marker for some rock sliders.
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88347 From: Scott Tate <scott@f...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:36pm
Subject: Need some garage space for a week or two
All,
I'm in a little bit of a pickle. I'm moving out of my townhouse
(last day of the month is Thursday) and in with my friend for awhile.
Well, he told me he was going to clean out his garage for my jeep (for
the last 3 weeks) and it is still full of junk. I'm in the middle of a
radiator change (some of you may have seen the posts about the aluminum
radiators from Ron Davis and LT1 engines), so I can't really park it on
the street. Anyone have an extra garage or some garage space that they
would like to rent me for awhile? I'd much rather rent some space than
use my friend's garage. I'm a good weekend wrenching buddy! And, the
beer would most certainly always be on me! Anyway, let me know.
Thanks.
Scott Tate
FYI, they live on the Mesa/Gilbert border at Country Club and the 60
freeway. So, the closer the better.
TIA.
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88348 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:47pm
Subject: Re: CLUNK!! Fixed
I've had to replace the engine mounts on my 94 YJ three times and counting.
What the hell does Chrysler make their engine mounts out of? Recycled
aluminum?
Oddly enough, my transmission mount has never been replaced and is still
in good shape.
Tony
S.R.D. wrote:
>It turns out that Lon was right about the clunk culprit!! The
>passenger side engine mount bolts sheared off where the mount was
>connected to the engine. I had only looked at the bolts where it
>mounts to the frame. Moore drilled and extracted the three bolts,
>replaced the, replaced the fan, fan clutch, fan shroud, and
>serpentine belt. YAY Moore!!
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88349 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:59pm
Subject: Re: CLUNK!! Fixed
And you have yet to try something else? I think after the second set
Id be looking for a better alternative :p Im running M.O.R.E.'s
1"lift bombproof motormounts with no problems for 2 years of hard
wheelin now, just an idea ;)
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
wrote:
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> I've had to replace the engine mounts on my 94 YJ three times and
counting.
> What the hell does Chrysler make their engine mounts out of?
Recycled
> aluminum?
> Oddly enough, my transmission mount has never been replaced and is
still
> in good shape.
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> Tony
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> S.R.D. wrote:
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> >It turns out that Lon was right about the clunk culprit!! The
> >passenger side engine mount bolts sheared off where the mount was
> >connected to the engine. I had only looked at the bolts where it
> >mounts to the frame. Moore drilled and extracted the three bolts,
> >replaced the, replaced the fan, fan clutch, fan shroud, and
> >serpentine belt. YAY Moore!!
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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88350 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:59pm
Subject: Tonto lifts closures
http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/tonto/news/press_rel/MostRestricLifted072803.html
Thought I would pass this along. Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/