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88276 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 9:03pm
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone wanna guess
Scott, these j-arms are fairly widely used.. They slid like Marlin Brando
all buttered up ;)
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Maiden" <bermboy@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone wanna guess
> No disadvantages,? like arms running under the axle like rock
> anchors?? ;p
>
> Scott Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > Yes sir !!!
> > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be running a
> single,
> > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so this
> makes it a
> > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> disadvantages ;)
> >
> >
> > :)
> > Fred
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> >
> >
> > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame with
> lower J arms
> > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > >
> > > Rio
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > >
> > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > >
> > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > > Fred
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88277 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 9:04pm
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone wanna guess
James, these are actually on a fair amount of Jeeps.
These are the Currie j-arms, for Jeeps ;)
Check out this thread:
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=392265&highlight
=kim
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 5:41 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone wanna guess
>
> Come on now Scott, they use them on Range Rovers, so they must be
> the best.
>
> I would really like to see them work on a Jeep.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Maiden" <bermboy@h...> wrote:
> > No disadvantages,? like arms running under the axle like rock
> > anchors?? ;p
> >
> > Scott Maiden
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > Yes sir !!!
> > > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be
> running a
> > single,
> > > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so this
> > makes it a
> > > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> > disadvantages ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > :)
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > >
> > >
> > > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame with
> > lower J arms
> > > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > > >
> > > > Rio
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > :)
> > > > > Fred
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88278 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 9:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone wanna guess
James,
I don't know what you have for your steering setup in the front, but to run
them in the front one pretty much needs to go hi-steer.
The stock steering just has too much "stuff" (track bar mount, steering
stabilizer mount, spring pad) in the way on the passengers side especially.
The stock track bar mount hangs below the axle :(
Anyway, I'll be swapping in a HP30 and doing the WJ knuckle swap, with
hi-steer (and *much* bigger brakes as a bonus).. That'll clear up space for
the mounts for the front axle.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 10:26 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone wanna guess
>
> Who's kit is that? It will be interesting to see if the effects of
> that match a "typical" long arm kit.
> I don't think I would be able to do that, with my steering setup.
> Let us know how it goes.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> >
> > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> >
> > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> >
> > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> >
> >
> >
> > :)
> > Fred
>
>
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88279 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:40pm
Subject: want to buy...YJ springs
Anyone have a set of old stock yj springs laying around that I could buy off
you? I used a buddy's set and I owe him replacements. Let me help you clean
out your garage.... :)
Thanks,
Frank
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88280 From: Casper <casper@c...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:25pm
Subject: Mail Help!
Hello Gang,
I am receiving double message postings. I have heard in the recent past the some were experiencing this as well. Can anyone tell me how to correct this please.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Casper
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88281 From: Casper <casper@c...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:39pm
Subject: Mail Help!
Got it fixed. Thanks for the help!
Casper
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88282 From: Casper <casper@c...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:54pm
Subject: Thank You
I wanted to send a BIG THANK YOU to Scott Fessenden. He bailed me out today. He had a passenger mirror for my XJ, which I needed badly. Thank you Scott. It is great having a world of Jeeper Friends that we all can work together with.......
Thanks Scott,
Casper
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88283 From: Chris <jeeperinaz@a...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 1:17am
Subject: Re: weird popping noise
checked the motor mounts, look good.
where do I check the tranny mounts? Do I need to lower the t/c?
Someone else mentioned Shifter linkage? I'm not sure what that is..
here's a picture of what I think that is..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Norman" <4x4xfun1@c...>
To: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>; "Chris" <jeeperinaz@a...>;
"AZ_vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
> Check your motor mounts, too. Especially the drivers side. Good Luck.
>
> Rick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: Chris; AZ_vjc
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
>
>
> Did you check the tranny mount? Jim F.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris [mailto:jeeperinaz@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:28 PM
> To: AZ_vjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
>
>
> Hello,
> I have a weird popping noise I'm tring to figure out.
>
> When it happens:
> When I let out the clutch fast in first gear, and when I'm climbing steep
> hills.
> It happens in First or second gear. Happens in 2wd, 4wd hi and low.
> I hear it, and feel it in the floorboard, popping noise and thumping
> feeling.
>
> What I have:
> 1998 TJ sahara, 2" RE spacer lift, 1" Daystar body lift, 32x11.50" tires.
> 4.0L I6.
>
> What I checked:
> Today I checked the teeth on the driveline, clean.
> Removed the rear dif cover, inspected the teeth on the spyder gears, no
> metal shaving found, all teeth in good shape.
> I removed the rear driveline and retested in 4wd (front wheel drive only).
> No noise was heard. I raised the rear end of the vehicle off the ground
and
> retested, no noise.. So the vehicle has to be stressed to hear the noise.
> please let me know what you think.. I have a .wav file of the noise If
you'd
> like to hear it.
>
> http://www.azbackcountry.com/noise.wav
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88284 From: Chris <jeeperinaz@a...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 1:19am
Subject: Re: weird popping noise
also.. is there supposed to be any space between the tranny and the t/c
skid? I noticed that I bent the t/c skid to where the tranny is sitting
right on it. (front edge)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Norman" <4x4xfun1@c...>
To: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>; "Chris" <jeeperinaz@a...>;
"AZ_vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
> Check your motor mounts, too. Especially the drivers side. Good Luck.
>
> Rick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: Chris; AZ_vjc
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
>
>
> Did you check the tranny mount? Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris [mailto:jeeperinaz@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:28 PM
> To: AZ_vjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
>
>
> Hello,
> I have a weird popping noise I'm tring to figure out.
>
> When it happens:
> When I let out the clutch fast in first gear, and when I'm climbing steep
> hills.
> It happens in First or second gear. Happens in 2wd, 4wd hi and low.
> I hear it, and feel it in the floorboard, popping noise and thumping
> feeling.
>
> What I have:
> 1998 TJ sahara, 2" RE spacer lift, 1" Daystar body lift, 32x11.50" tires.
> 4.0L I6.
>
> What I checked:
> Today I checked the teeth on the driveline, clean.
> Removed the rear dif cover, inspected the teeth on the spyder gears, no
> metal shaving found, all teeth in good shape.
> I removed the rear driveline and retested in 4wd (front wheel drive only).
> No noise was heard. I raised the rear end of the vehicle off the ground
and
> retested, no noise.. So the vehicle has to be stressed to hear the noise.
> please let me know what you think.. I have a .wav file of the noise If
you'd
> like to hear it.
>
> http://www.azbackcountry.com/noise.wav
>
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88285 From: jeepcj5nut <jeepcj5nut@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:16am
Subject: Re: weird popping noise
Sounds to me like you found your culprit!! A bad tranny mount is easy to
replace.
Support the tranny with a floor jack and drop your skid plate enough to pull
out the old mount.
When you put the bolts back in I would suggest using locktight on them. When
I replace my tranny mount with a poly mount the bolts would work free about
every 5000 miles or so, until I locktighted them.
Good luck,
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <jeeperinaz@a...>
To: "Rick Norman" <4x4xfun1@c...>; "Hackle" <hackle@q...>; "AZ_vjc"
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
> also.. is there supposed to be any space between the tranny and the t/c
> skid? I noticed that I bent the t/c skid to where the tranny is sitting
> right on it. (front edge)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Norman" <4x4xfun1@c...>
> To: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>; "Chris" <jeeperinaz@a...>;
> "AZ_vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
>
>
> > Check your motor mounts, too. Especially the drivers side. Good Luck.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 6:46 PM
> > To: Chris; AZ_vjc
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
> >
> >
> > Did you check the tranny mount? Jim F.
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris [mailto:jeeperinaz@a...]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:28 PM
> > To: AZ_vjc
> > Subject: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > I have a weird popping noise I'm tring to figure out.
> >
> > When it happens:
> > When I let out the clutch fast in first gear, and when I'm climbing
steep
> > hills.
> > It happens in First or second gear. Happens in 2wd, 4wd hi and low.
> > I hear it, and feel it in the floorboard, popping noise and thumping
> > feeling.
> >
> > What I have:
> > 1998 TJ sahara, 2" RE spacer lift, 1" Daystar body lift, 32x11.50"
tires.
> > 4.0L I6.
> >
> > What I checked:
> > Today I checked the teeth on the driveline, clean.
> > Removed the rear dif cover, inspected the teeth on the spyder gears, no
> > metal shaving found, all teeth in good shape.
> > I removed the rear driveline and retested in 4wd (front wheel drive
only).
> > No noise was heard. I raised the rear end of the vehicle off the ground
> and
> > retested, no noise.. So the vehicle has to be stressed to hear the
noise.
> > please let me know what you think.. I have a .wav file of the noise If
> you'd
> > like to hear it.
> >
> > http://www.azbackcountry.com/noise.wav
> >
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88286 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:52am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Saturday, July 26, 2003
Hello All,
Joel Jonson lead a trail run Saturday, July 26, 2003 across Unspecified
This was a fun trip with good people. The trip ended up taking over twice as long to finish due to a couple of unexpected breaks. Despite the heat and the dollars that it will take to get everybody back on the trail again, it was a good time. Go team YJ!<br>
<br>
-cj
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=949
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88287 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 6:23am
Subject: Re: Anyone wanna guess
It almost looks like they pushed the front axle forward, in those
pictures. The spring perch doesn't seem to be sticking off the front
half of the axle. It may be an optical illission. Also, what is that
extra TRE up in there?
I want to know where is a good source for WJ knuckles.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Rio, I'm going with the j-arms in the front also, however they
require a lot
> more work to get 'em mounted.
> So, since I have to change a lot of stuff to mount the fronts, I'm
going to
> wait until I can pickup a HP39 from a late model XJ.
> I'll do the WJ knuckle swap at that time. That will get "rid" of
the track
> bar mount and steering stabilizer mount from their stock location,
which is
> right in the way of the j-arm mounts.
> I'm going to use a single (large), longer upper arm, which will be
custom,
> along with a custom frame mount for it.. It'll use the 3" j-joints
and mount
> to the axle using the existing mount on the diff.
> The reason for the single upper is to free up some of the bind of
the
> existing front 5 link system.
> Several people have done this in California, and it's worked up
really,
> really well.
> Here's a link:
>
> http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?
s=&threadid=392265&highlight
> =kim
>
>
> Best,
> Fred
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
>
>
> > I've always liked the concept of the J arms. Let us know how it
turns
> out.
> > What does the single front upper arm mount to? One of the
upper axle
> > mounts and a new frame mount... or something different entirely?
> >
> > Rio
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > To: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> >
> >
> > > Yes sir !!!
> > > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be
running a
> > single,
> > > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so
this makes
> it
> > a
> > > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
disadvantages ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > :)
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > >
> > >
> > > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame
with lower J
> > arms
> > > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > > >
> > > > Rio
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > :)
> > > > > Fred
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88288 From: Jeff Trujillo <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 7:08am
Subject: XJ or ZJ Control Arms
Anyone have any XJ or ZJ stock control arms they want to get rid of?
My bushings are gone in mine and I need to replace them all. Give me
a call if so 480-213-1976. TIA Jeff CamoXJ
88289 From: Brian Luse <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:20am
Subject: Re: want to buy...YJ springs
I just happen to have a set off of a 1989 YJ laying around, so give
me a call at 480-510-9691. I am in the NE valley.
Brian Luse
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
wrote:
>
>
> Anyone have a set of old stock yj springs laying around that I
could buy off
> you? I used a buddy's set and I owe him replacements. Let me help
you clean
> out your garage.... :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank
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88290 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:49am
Subject: [Tech] '97 TJ - 1997 TJ Overheating????
My buddy has a 97 TJ and just replaced the water pump, radiator, thermostat, hoses, and serpetnine belt and he is still having a problem with his jeep overheating. Has anyone else had this problem or know what else could be the problem. The mechanic he took the jeep to said that he had no idea why it is running so hot and that he should take the jeep to the dealership.
Joe Bruce
88291 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:55am
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone wanna guess
James, I'll have to look again, when I get home tonight, at those photos to
see what the TRE is.. I don't remember off the top of my head.. Remember,
though, on this type of hi-steer, both the drag link AND the tie rod attach
separately to the steering knuckle (passenger side), so that may be what
you're seeing.. Also the track bar (axle mount) is very close to that same
area (passenger side), so that also, may be what you're seeing.
Mark Hinkley makes a nice set of weld on brackets for the track bar and
steering stabl. to locate those to the top of the axle.. He also makes the
weld on spacers for the WJ knuckles which are requred to use the WJ
knuckles.
Regarding the axle pushed forward, it may be a little, but the spring
perches aren't the stock ones.. This is part of what's done in the whole
process of using those j-arms in the front.. The stock spring perches are
cut off and newly fabed ones that "sit back" on the axle are used (welded
on)..
I'll post up here, when I get started, where I get the WJ knuckles from.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:23 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone wanna guess
>
> It almost looks like they pushed the front axle forward, in those
> pictures. The spring perch doesn't seem to be sticking off the front
> half of the axle. It may be an optical illission. Also, what is that
> extra TRE up in there?
>
> I want to know where is a good source for WJ knuckles.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > Rio, I'm going with the j-arms in the front also, however they
> require a lot
> > more work to get 'em mounted.
> > So, since I have to change a lot of stuff to mount the fronts, I'm
> going to
> > wait until I can pickup a HP39 from a late model XJ.
> > I'll do the WJ knuckle swap at that time. That will get "rid" of
> the track
> > bar mount and steering stabilizer mount from their stock location,
> which is
> > right in the way of the j-arm mounts.
> > I'm going to use a single (large), longer upper arm, which will be
> custom,
> > along with a custom frame mount for it.. It'll use the 3" j-joints
> and mount
> > to the axle using the existing mount on the diff.
> > The reason for the single upper is to free up some of the bind of
> the
> > existing front 5 link system.
> > Several people have done this in California, and it's worked up
> really,
> > really well.
> > Here's a link:
> >
> > http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?
> s=&threadid=392265&highlight
> > =kim
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> >
> >
> > > I've always liked the concept of the J arms. Let us know how it
> turns
> > out.
> > > What does the single front upper arm mount to? One of the
> upper axle
> > > mounts and a new frame mount... or something different entirely?
> > >
> > > Rio
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > To: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:50 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes sir !!!
> > > > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be
> running a
> > > single,
> > > > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > > > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so
> this makes
> > it
> > > a
> > > > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > > > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> disadvantages ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame
> with lower J
> > > arms
> > > > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rio
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > :)
> > > > > > Fred
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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88292 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:04am
Subject: Re: [Tech] '97 TJ - 1997 TJ Overheating????
What radiator did he use for a replacement ??
Those 3 core GDI (or whatever they are), simply don't work well on TJ's..
They're too dense and it's too hard to pull air through 'em...
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "AzVJC Website" <azvjc@a...>
To: "AzVJC" <az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:49 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] '97 TJ - 1997 TJ Overheating????
> My buddy has a 97 TJ and just replaced the water pump, radiator,
thermostat, hoses, and serpetnine belt and he is still having a problem with
his jeep overheating. Has anyone else had this problem or know what else
could be the problem. The mechanic he took the jeep to said that he had no
idea why it is running so hot and that he should take the jeep to the
dealership.
>
> Joe Bruce
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
88293 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:29am
Subject: Re: [Tech] '97 TJ - 1997 TJ Overheating????
Opps, also noticed from your first e-mail that nothing was done regarding
the fan clutch.. That's something that needs to be checked for sure... If
it's bad it won't pull air at slower speeds, stop and go driving, etc.. If
it's during highway driving that it's overheating, then that's not the fan
clutch.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
To: <JBruce@F...>; "AzVJC" <az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [Tech] '97 TJ - 1997 TJ Overheating????
> What radiator did he use for a replacement ??
> Those 3 core GDI (or whatever they are), simply don't work well on TJ's..
> They're too dense and it's too hard to pull air through 'em...
>
>
> Best,
> Fred
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AzVJC Website" <azvjc@a...>
> To: "AzVJC" <az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:49 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] '97 TJ - 1997 TJ Overheating????
>
>
> > My buddy has a 97 TJ and just replaced the water pump, radiator,
> thermostat, hoses, and serpetnine belt and he is still having a problem
with
> his jeep overheating. Has anyone else had this problem or know what else
> could be the problem. The mechanic he took the jeep to said that he had
no
> idea why it is running so hot and that he should take the jeep to the
> dealership.
> >
> > Joe Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
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88294 From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:46am
Subject: advantages/disadvantages? [was Re: Anyone wanna guess]
Mike,
What do you consider the advantages and disadvantages of the J-arms
(medium length control arms) and long-arms?
I almost converted my old ZJ to a long-arm setup but backed off after
examining the design/fab/materials/maintenance costs versus what I
would get out it. Then I sold the Jeep :-(
Linda
54 wagon - old tech being refreshed
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> The J arms DO offer some advantages that long arms have, not ALL,
and
> they DO have disadvantages. I'll stick with my long arms, I like
the
> advantages that they offer.
>
> Mike Anderson
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > Yes sir !!!
> > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be running
a
> single,
> > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so this
> makes it a
> > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> disadvantages ;)
> >
> >
> > :)
> > Fred
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> >
> >
> > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame with
> lower J arms
> > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > >
> > > Rio
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > >
> > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > >
> > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
88295 From: Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:49am
Subject: So.....did I kill my CB or what?
Went on a run yesterday and as I was leaving the house turned on the
CB. Everything was fine as far as the face (lights etc.) Keyed the
mic and everything died. No lights no nothing. Check the fuse and
it's still intact. Mic and antenna cables are tight. I haven't
checked the fuse holder yet to see if it's still getting power, but
it was when the lights etc. were on. What the heck? It's a Uniden 520
if that makes any difference.
Thanks,
Phil
88296 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:08am
Subject: RE: Here's another misguided work of art [was Re: Super ZJ]
What are they talkin about "...or interesting trade" ? isn't this
interesting enough???
-----Original Message-----
From: p14175 [mailto:minihummer@w...]
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:34 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Here's another misguided work of art [was Re: Super
ZJ]
This one was on eBay a few months ago. Now the seller is trying
another approach.
http://www.willystech.com/parts/messages/14122.shtml
Linda
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Leonard K. Pennock"
<leonardpennock@c...> wrote:
> Thought you ZJ lovers would be interested in this one.
>
>
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2424806
435&category=6947>
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
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88297 From: Dan Dennis <dannpegg@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:51am
Subject: Here's another misguided work of art [was Re: Super ZJ]
That thing is as ugly as sin...(Southern terminology)
AZ Treadhead (AKA BRUZR's Daddy)
97 TJ (BRUZR) in Lake Havasu City, AZ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "p14175" <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> This one was on eBay a few months ago. Now the seller is trying
> another approach.
>
> http://www.willystech.com/parts/messages/14122.shtml
>
> Linda
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Leonard K. Pennock"
> <leonardpennock@c...> wrote:
> > Thought you ZJ lovers would be interested in this one.
> >
> >
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=2424806
> 435&category=6947>
> >
> > --
> > Leonard K. Pennock
> >
> > Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> > find that they very rarely lose or fail.
88298 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:58am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Coves of Saguaro Lake - Sunday, July 27, 2003
Hello All,
Steve Olney lead a trail run Sunday, July 27, 2003 across Coves of Saguaro Lake
Had lots of fun, Linda and her kids followed in her 2003 Honda pilot (my daughter's little red wagon has better articulation) followed all the way to cove 6.<br>
<br>
Kids: Stephanie (5), Christina & Elizabeth (2), Megan (7), and Bradly (6) played in relativly clear water chasing baby blue gills. <br>
<br>
Trip was uneventful untill we tried leaving and (due largly to lack of articulation) Honda had problems getting up first hill. Just when I thought it was going to make it out, Bang!!! (sounded like I ran her car straight into rock). Fortuneatly was just a blown tire. Unfortuneatly her spare was only a donougt (no jelly). <br>
<br>
With the donought on, we proceeded carefully out though Cottonwood camp (.23 mph) arriving at highway approx 6PM.<br>
<br>
Linda lamented that Honda was inteded for "light off highway use". I told her for a Jeep this is light use.
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=967
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88299 From: Mike <msa12171@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:12am
Subject: advantages/disadvantages? [was Re: Anyone wanna guess]
As for the J arms, The only advantages that I see (someone correct
me if I'm missing something) are more control of the axle due to the
mounting point being around the back of the axle. The extra length
is only because it has to wrap around. It also has jonnie joints at
both ends for more articulation. For a long arm kit, I see many
advantages. With a tall lift, it soaks up the bumps MUCH better than
short arms because the angle of the arm is less severe since its
frame mounting point is moved back. Also with the added length, it
can articulate alot further with far less stress on the arms, axle
and all the components since the "arc" of movement is alot larger.
Most long arm kits mount to the frame up above the skid plate so
there is no (or very little) interference to cause hang ups. The
arms can actually slide along a rock and help get you over an
obstacle with less stress on axle components since the tire is
hitting the rock below 90 deg. to the rock. If triangulating the
long arms, you get added benefiets of losing your track bar and
allowing for articulation in both directions to be the same. I think
that the most obvious benefiets that someone will see of the long
arms is if you are over 6" of lift and feel bumps on the road. With
short arms you can actually feel and see the axle pushing back into
the arm and frame. With a long arm, your angle is far less severe
and it absorbs the bumps MUCH softer. With that and the larger arc,
you have alot less wear on bushings, joints, and axle parts. The J
arms are great for lifts that are 4" or less, but I don't see them
working nearly as well with taller Jeeps. Can anyone show me that
they work for taller lifts?
Mike Anderson
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Linda" <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> What do you consider the advantages and disadvantages of the J-arms
> (medium length control arms) and long-arms?
>
> I almost converted my old ZJ to a long-arm setup but backed off
after
> examining the design/fab/materials/maintenance costs versus what I
> would get out it. Then I sold the Jeep :-(
>
> Linda
> 54 wagon - old tech being refreshed
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> > The J arms DO offer some advantages that long arms have, not ALL,
> and
> > they DO have disadvantages. I'll stick with my long arms, I like
> the
> > advantages that they offer.
> >
> > Mike Anderson
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > Yes sir !!!
> > > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be
running
> a
> > single,
> > > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so
this
> > makes it a
> > > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> > disadvantages ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > :)
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > >
> > >
> > > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame with
> > lower J arms
> > > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > > >
> > > > Rio
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > :)
> > > > > Fred
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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88300 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:18am
Subject: WANTED: Stock TJ parts
Hi all,
I am working on a little project, and wanted to see if anyone has some
stock TJ Coils, control arms, and track bars. If you want to get rid of
them, for real cheap, like a 12 pack or something, let me know!
Thanks,
Mike Baney
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88276 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 9:03pm
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone wanna guess
Scott, these j-arms are fairly widely used.. They slid like Marlin Brando
all buttered up ;)
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Maiden" <bermboy@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone wanna guess
> No disadvantages,? like arms running under the axle like rock
> anchors?? ;p
>
> Scott Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > Yes sir !!!
> > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be running a
> single,
> > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so this
> makes it a
> > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> disadvantages ;)
> >
> >
> > :)
> > Fred
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> >
> >
> > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame with
> lower J arms
> > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > >
> > > Rio
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > >
> > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > >
> > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
>
>
>
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88277 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 9:04pm
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone wanna guess
James, these are actually on a fair amount of Jeeps.
These are the Currie j-arms, for Jeeps ;)
Check out this thread:
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=392265&highlight
=kim
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 5:41 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone wanna guess
>
> Come on now Scott, they use them on Range Rovers, so they must be
> the best.
>
> I would really like to see them work on a Jeep.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Maiden" <bermboy@h...> wrote:
> > No disadvantages,? like arms running under the axle like rock
> > anchors?? ;p
> >
> > Scott Maiden
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > Yes sir !!!
> > > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be
> running a
> > single,
> > > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so this
> > makes it a
> > > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> > disadvantages ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > :)
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > >
> > >
> > > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame with
> > lower J arms
> > > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > > >
> > > > Rio
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > :)
> > > > > Fred
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88278 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 9:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone wanna guess
James,
I don't know what you have for your steering setup in the front, but to run
them in the front one pretty much needs to go hi-steer.
The stock steering just has too much "stuff" (track bar mount, steering
stabilizer mount, spring pad) in the way on the passengers side especially.
The stock track bar mount hangs below the axle :(
Anyway, I'll be swapping in a HP30 and doing the WJ knuckle swap, with
hi-steer (and *much* bigger brakes as a bonus).. That'll clear up space for
the mounts for the front axle.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 10:26 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone wanna guess
>
> Who's kit is that? It will be interesting to see if the effects of
> that match a "typical" long arm kit.
> I don't think I would be able to do that, with my steering setup.
> Let us know how it goes.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> >
> > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> >
> > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> >
> > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> >
> >
> >
> > :)
> > Fred
>
>
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88279 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:40pm
Subject: want to buy...YJ springs
Anyone have a set of old stock yj springs laying around that I could buy off
you? I used a buddy's set and I owe him replacements. Let me help you clean
out your garage.... :)
Thanks,
Frank
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88280 From: Casper <casper@c...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:25pm
Subject: Mail Help!
Hello Gang,
I am receiving double message postings. I have heard in the recent past the some were experiencing this as well. Can anyone tell me how to correct this please.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Casper
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88281 From: Casper <casper@c...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:39pm
Subject: Mail Help!
Got it fixed. Thanks for the help!
Casper
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88282 From: Casper <casper@c...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:54pm
Subject: Thank You
I wanted to send a BIG THANK YOU to Scott Fessenden. He bailed me out today. He had a passenger mirror for my XJ, which I needed badly. Thank you Scott. It is great having a world of Jeeper Friends that we all can work together with.......
Thanks Scott,
Casper
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88283 From: Chris <jeeperinaz@a...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 1:17am
Subject: Re: weird popping noise
checked the motor mounts, look good.
where do I check the tranny mounts? Do I need to lower the t/c?
Someone else mentioned Shifter linkage? I'm not sure what that is..
here's a picture of what I think that is..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Norman" <4x4xfun1@c...>
To: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>; "Chris" <jeeperinaz@a...>;
"AZ_vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
> Check your motor mounts, too. Especially the drivers side. Good Luck.
>
> Rick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: Chris; AZ_vjc
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
>
>
> Did you check the tranny mount? Jim F.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris [mailto:jeeperinaz@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:28 PM
> To: AZ_vjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
>
>
> Hello,
> I have a weird popping noise I'm tring to figure out.
>
> When it happens:
> When I let out the clutch fast in first gear, and when I'm climbing steep
> hills.
> It happens in First or second gear. Happens in 2wd, 4wd hi and low.
> I hear it, and feel it in the floorboard, popping noise and thumping
> feeling.
>
> What I have:
> 1998 TJ sahara, 2" RE spacer lift, 1" Daystar body lift, 32x11.50" tires.
> 4.0L I6.
>
> What I checked:
> Today I checked the teeth on the driveline, clean.
> Removed the rear dif cover, inspected the teeth on the spyder gears, no
> metal shaving found, all teeth in good shape.
> I removed the rear driveline and retested in 4wd (front wheel drive only).
> No noise was heard. I raised the rear end of the vehicle off the ground
and
> retested, no noise.. So the vehicle has to be stressed to hear the noise.
> please let me know what you think.. I have a .wav file of the noise If
you'd
> like to hear it.
>
> http://www.azbackcountry.com/noise.wav
>
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88284 From: Chris <jeeperinaz@a...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 1:19am
Subject: Re: weird popping noise
also.. is there supposed to be any space between the tranny and the t/c
skid? I noticed that I bent the t/c skid to where the tranny is sitting
right on it. (front edge)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Norman" <4x4xfun1@c...>
To: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>; "Chris" <jeeperinaz@a...>;
"AZ_vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
> Check your motor mounts, too. Especially the drivers side. Good Luck.
>
> Rick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: Chris; AZ_vjc
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
>
>
> Did you check the tranny mount? Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris [mailto:jeeperinaz@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:28 PM
> To: AZ_vjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
>
>
> Hello,
> I have a weird popping noise I'm tring to figure out.
>
> When it happens:
> When I let out the clutch fast in first gear, and when I'm climbing steep
> hills.
> It happens in First or second gear. Happens in 2wd, 4wd hi and low.
> I hear it, and feel it in the floorboard, popping noise and thumping
> feeling.
>
> What I have:
> 1998 TJ sahara, 2" RE spacer lift, 1" Daystar body lift, 32x11.50" tires.
> 4.0L I6.
>
> What I checked:
> Today I checked the teeth on the driveline, clean.
> Removed the rear dif cover, inspected the teeth on the spyder gears, no
> metal shaving found, all teeth in good shape.
> I removed the rear driveline and retested in 4wd (front wheel drive only).
> No noise was heard. I raised the rear end of the vehicle off the ground
and
> retested, no noise.. So the vehicle has to be stressed to hear the noise.
> please let me know what you think.. I have a .wav file of the noise If
you'd
> like to hear it.
>
> http://www.azbackcountry.com/noise.wav
>
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88285 From: jeepcj5nut <jeepcj5nut@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:16am
Subject: Re: weird popping noise
Sounds to me like you found your culprit!! A bad tranny mount is easy to
replace.
Support the tranny with a floor jack and drop your skid plate enough to pull
out the old mount.
When you put the bolts back in I would suggest using locktight on them. When
I replace my tranny mount with a poly mount the bolts would work free about
every 5000 miles or so, until I locktighted them.
Good luck,
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <jeeperinaz@a...>
To: "Rick Norman" <4x4xfun1@c...>; "Hackle" <hackle@q...>; "AZ_vjc"
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
> also.. is there supposed to be any space between the tranny and the t/c
> skid? I noticed that I bent the t/c skid to where the tranny is sitting
> right on it. (front edge)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Norman" <4x4xfun1@c...>
> To: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>; "Chris" <jeeperinaz@a...>;
> "AZ_vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
>
>
> > Check your motor mounts, too. Especially the drivers side. Good Luck.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 6:46 PM
> > To: Chris; AZ_vjc
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
> >
> >
> > Did you check the tranny mount? Jim F.
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris [mailto:jeeperinaz@a...]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:28 PM
> > To: AZ_vjc
> > Subject: [az_vjc] weird popping noise
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > I have a weird popping noise I'm tring to figure out.
> >
> > When it happens:
> > When I let out the clutch fast in first gear, and when I'm climbing
steep
> > hills.
> > It happens in First or second gear. Happens in 2wd, 4wd hi and low.
> > I hear it, and feel it in the floorboard, popping noise and thumping
> > feeling.
> >
> > What I have:
> > 1998 TJ sahara, 2" RE spacer lift, 1" Daystar body lift, 32x11.50"
tires.
> > 4.0L I6.
> >
> > What I checked:
> > Today I checked the teeth on the driveline, clean.
> > Removed the rear dif cover, inspected the teeth on the spyder gears, no
> > metal shaving found, all teeth in good shape.
> > I removed the rear driveline and retested in 4wd (front wheel drive
only).
> > No noise was heard. I raised the rear end of the vehicle off the ground
> and
> > retested, no noise.. So the vehicle has to be stressed to hear the
noise.
> > please let me know what you think.. I have a .wav file of the noise If
> you'd
> > like to hear it.
> >
> > http://www.azbackcountry.com/noise.wav
> >
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88286 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:52am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Saturday, July 26, 2003
Hello All,
Joel Jonson lead a trail run Saturday, July 26, 2003 across Unspecified
This was a fun trip with good people. The trip ended up taking over twice as long to finish due to a couple of unexpected breaks. Despite the heat and the dollars that it will take to get everybody back on the trail again, it was a good time. Go team YJ!<br>
<br>
-cj
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=949
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88287 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 6:23am
Subject: Re: Anyone wanna guess
It almost looks like they pushed the front axle forward, in those
pictures. The spring perch doesn't seem to be sticking off the front
half of the axle. It may be an optical illission. Also, what is that
extra TRE up in there?
I want to know where is a good source for WJ knuckles.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Rio, I'm going with the j-arms in the front also, however they
require a lot
> more work to get 'em mounted.
> So, since I have to change a lot of stuff to mount the fronts, I'm
going to
> wait until I can pickup a HP39 from a late model XJ.
> I'll do the WJ knuckle swap at that time. That will get "rid" of
the track
> bar mount and steering stabilizer mount from their stock location,
which is
> right in the way of the j-arm mounts.
> I'm going to use a single (large), longer upper arm, which will be
custom,
> along with a custom frame mount for it.. It'll use the 3" j-joints
and mount
> to the axle using the existing mount on the diff.
> The reason for the single upper is to free up some of the bind of
the
> existing front 5 link system.
> Several people have done this in California, and it's worked up
really,
> really well.
> Here's a link:
>
> http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?
s=&threadid=392265&highlight
> =kim
>
>
> Best,
> Fred
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
>
>
> > I've always liked the concept of the J arms. Let us know how it
turns
> out.
> > What does the single front upper arm mount to? One of the
upper axle
> > mounts and a new frame mount... or something different entirely?
> >
> > Rio
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > To: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> >
> >
> > > Yes sir !!!
> > > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be
running a
> > single,
> > > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so
this makes
> it
> > a
> > > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
disadvantages ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > :)
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > >
> > >
> > > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame
with lower J
> > arms
> > > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > > >
> > > > Rio
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > :)
> > > > > Fred
> > > > >
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88288 From: Jeff Trujillo <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 7:08am
Subject: XJ or ZJ Control Arms
Anyone have any XJ or ZJ stock control arms they want to get rid of?
My bushings are gone in mine and I need to replace them all. Give me
a call if so 480-213-1976. TIA Jeff CamoXJ
88289 From: Brian Luse <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:20am
Subject: Re: want to buy...YJ springs
I just happen to have a set off of a 1989 YJ laying around, so give
me a call at 480-510-9691. I am in the NE valley.
Brian Luse
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
wrote:
>
>
> Anyone have a set of old stock yj springs laying around that I
could buy off
> you? I used a buddy's set and I owe him replacements. Let me help
you clean
> out your garage.... :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank
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88290 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:49am
Subject: [Tech] '97 TJ - 1997 TJ Overheating????
My buddy has a 97 TJ and just replaced the water pump, radiator, thermostat, hoses, and serpetnine belt and he is still having a problem with his jeep overheating. Has anyone else had this problem or know what else could be the problem. The mechanic he took the jeep to said that he had no idea why it is running so hot and that he should take the jeep to the dealership.
Joe Bruce
88291 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:55am
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone wanna guess
James, I'll have to look again, when I get home tonight, at those photos to
see what the TRE is.. I don't remember off the top of my head.. Remember,
though, on this type of hi-steer, both the drag link AND the tie rod attach
separately to the steering knuckle (passenger side), so that may be what
you're seeing.. Also the track bar (axle mount) is very close to that same
area (passenger side), so that also, may be what you're seeing.
Mark Hinkley makes a nice set of weld on brackets for the track bar and
steering stabl. to locate those to the top of the axle.. He also makes the
weld on spacers for the WJ knuckles which are requred to use the WJ
knuckles.
Regarding the axle pushed forward, it may be a little, but the spring
perches aren't the stock ones.. This is part of what's done in the whole
process of using those j-arms in the front.. The stock spring perches are
cut off and newly fabed ones that "sit back" on the axle are used (welded
on)..
I'll post up here, when I get started, where I get the WJ knuckles from.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:23 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone wanna guess
>
> It almost looks like they pushed the front axle forward, in those
> pictures. The spring perch doesn't seem to be sticking off the front
> half of the axle. It may be an optical illission. Also, what is that
> extra TRE up in there?
>
> I want to know where is a good source for WJ knuckles.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > Rio, I'm going with the j-arms in the front also, however they
> require a lot
> > more work to get 'em mounted.
> > So, since I have to change a lot of stuff to mount the fronts, I'm
> going to
> > wait until I can pickup a HP39 from a late model XJ.
> > I'll do the WJ knuckle swap at that time. That will get "rid" of
> the track
> > bar mount and steering stabilizer mount from their stock location,
> which is
> > right in the way of the j-arm mounts.
> > I'm going to use a single (large), longer upper arm, which will be
> custom,
> > along with a custom frame mount for it.. It'll use the 3" j-joints
> and mount
> > to the axle using the existing mount on the diff.
> > The reason for the single upper is to free up some of the bind of
> the
> > existing front 5 link system.
> > Several people have done this in California, and it's worked up
> really,
> > really well.
> > Here's a link:
> >
> > http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?
> s=&threadid=392265&highlight
> > =kim
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> >
> >
> > > I've always liked the concept of the J arms. Let us know how it
> turns
> > out.
> > > What does the single front upper arm mount to? One of the
> upper axle
> > > mounts and a new frame mount... or something different entirely?
> > >
> > > Rio
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > To: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:50 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes sir !!!
> > > > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be
> running a
> > > single,
> > > > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > > > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so
> this makes
> > it
> > > a
> > > > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > > > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> disadvantages ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame
> with lower J
> > > arms
> > > > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rio
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > :)
> > > > > > Fred
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
88292 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:04am
Subject: Re: [Tech] '97 TJ - 1997 TJ Overheating????
What radiator did he use for a replacement ??
Those 3 core GDI (or whatever they are), simply don't work well on TJ's..
They're too dense and it's too hard to pull air through 'em...
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "AzVJC Website" <azvjc@a...>
To: "AzVJC" <az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:49 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] '97 TJ - 1997 TJ Overheating????
> My buddy has a 97 TJ and just replaced the water pump, radiator,
thermostat, hoses, and serpetnine belt and he is still having a problem with
his jeep overheating. Has anyone else had this problem or know what else
could be the problem. The mechanic he took the jeep to said that he had no
idea why it is running so hot and that he should take the jeep to the
dealership.
>
> Joe Bruce
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
88293 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:29am
Subject: Re: [Tech] '97 TJ - 1997 TJ Overheating????
Opps, also noticed from your first e-mail that nothing was done regarding
the fan clutch.. That's something that needs to be checked for sure... If
it's bad it won't pull air at slower speeds, stop and go driving, etc.. If
it's during highway driving that it's overheating, then that's not the fan
clutch.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
To: <JBruce@F...>; "AzVJC" <az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [Tech] '97 TJ - 1997 TJ Overheating????
> What radiator did he use for a replacement ??
> Those 3 core GDI (or whatever they are), simply don't work well on TJ's..
> They're too dense and it's too hard to pull air through 'em...
>
>
> Best,
> Fred
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AzVJC Website" <azvjc@a...>
> To: "AzVJC" <az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:49 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] '97 TJ - 1997 TJ Overheating????
>
>
> > My buddy has a 97 TJ and just replaced the water pump, radiator,
> thermostat, hoses, and serpetnine belt and he is still having a problem
with
> his jeep overheating. Has anyone else had this problem or know what else
> could be the problem. The mechanic he took the jeep to said that he had
no
> idea why it is running so hot and that he should take the jeep to the
> dealership.
> >
> > Joe Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
88294 From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:46am
Subject: advantages/disadvantages? [was Re: Anyone wanna guess]
Mike,
What do you consider the advantages and disadvantages of the J-arms
(medium length control arms) and long-arms?
I almost converted my old ZJ to a long-arm setup but backed off after
examining the design/fab/materials/maintenance costs versus what I
would get out it. Then I sold the Jeep :-(
Linda
54 wagon - old tech being refreshed
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> The J arms DO offer some advantages that long arms have, not ALL,
and
> they DO have disadvantages. I'll stick with my long arms, I like
the
> advantages that they offer.
>
> Mike Anderson
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > Yes sir !!!
> > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be running
a
> single,
> > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so this
> makes it a
> > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> disadvantages ;)
> >
> >
> > :)
> > Fred
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> >
> >
> > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame with
> lower J arms
> > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > >
> > > Rio
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > >
> > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > >
> > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
88295 From: Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:49am
Subject: So.....did I kill my CB or what?
Went on a run yesterday and as I was leaving the house turned on the
CB. Everything was fine as far as the face (lights etc.) Keyed the
mic and everything died. No lights no nothing. Check the fuse and
it's still intact. Mic and antenna cables are tight. I haven't
checked the fuse holder yet to see if it's still getting power, but
it was when the lights etc. were on. What the heck? It's a Uniden 520
if that makes any difference.
Thanks,
Phil
88296 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:08am
Subject: RE: Here's another misguided work of art [was Re: Super ZJ]
What are they talkin about "...or interesting trade" ? isn't this
interesting enough???
-----Original Message-----
From: p14175 [mailto:minihummer@w...]
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:34 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Here's another misguided work of art [was Re: Super
ZJ]
This one was on eBay a few months ago. Now the seller is trying
another approach.
http://www.willystech.com/parts/messages/14122.shtml
Linda
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Leonard K. Pennock"
<leonardpennock@c...> wrote:
> Thought you ZJ lovers would be interested in this one.
>
>
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2424806
435&category=6947>
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
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88297 From: Dan Dennis <dannpegg@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:51am
Subject: Here's another misguided work of art [was Re: Super ZJ]
That thing is as ugly as sin...(Southern terminology)
AZ Treadhead (AKA BRUZR's Daddy)
97 TJ (BRUZR) in Lake Havasu City, AZ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "p14175" <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> This one was on eBay a few months ago. Now the seller is trying
> another approach.
>
> http://www.willystech.com/parts/messages/14122.shtml
>
> Linda
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Leonard K. Pennock"
> <leonardpennock@c...> wrote:
> > Thought you ZJ lovers would be interested in this one.
> >
> >
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=2424806
> 435&category=6947>
> >
> > --
> > Leonard K. Pennock
> >
> > Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> > find that they very rarely lose or fail.
88298 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:58am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Coves of Saguaro Lake - Sunday, July 27, 2003
Hello All,
Steve Olney lead a trail run Sunday, July 27, 2003 across Coves of Saguaro Lake
Had lots of fun, Linda and her kids followed in her 2003 Honda pilot (my daughter's little red wagon has better articulation) followed all the way to cove 6.<br>
<br>
Kids: Stephanie (5), Christina & Elizabeth (2), Megan (7), and Bradly (6) played in relativly clear water chasing baby blue gills. <br>
<br>
Trip was uneventful untill we tried leaving and (due largly to lack of articulation) Honda had problems getting up first hill. Just when I thought it was going to make it out, Bang!!! (sounded like I ran her car straight into rock). Fortuneatly was just a blown tire. Unfortuneatly her spare was only a donougt (no jelly). <br>
<br>
With the donought on, we proceeded carefully out though Cottonwood camp (.23 mph) arriving at highway approx 6PM.<br>
<br>
Linda lamented that Honda was inteded for "light off highway use". I told her for a Jeep this is light use.
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=967
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
88299 From: Mike <msa12171@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:12am
Subject: advantages/disadvantages? [was Re: Anyone wanna guess]
As for the J arms, The only advantages that I see (someone correct
me if I'm missing something) are more control of the axle due to the
mounting point being around the back of the axle. The extra length
is only because it has to wrap around. It also has jonnie joints at
both ends for more articulation. For a long arm kit, I see many
advantages. With a tall lift, it soaks up the bumps MUCH better than
short arms because the angle of the arm is less severe since its
frame mounting point is moved back. Also with the added length, it
can articulate alot further with far less stress on the arms, axle
and all the components since the "arc" of movement is alot larger.
Most long arm kits mount to the frame up above the skid plate so
there is no (or very little) interference to cause hang ups. The
arms can actually slide along a rock and help get you over an
obstacle with less stress on axle components since the tire is
hitting the rock below 90 deg. to the rock. If triangulating the
long arms, you get added benefiets of losing your track bar and
allowing for articulation in both directions to be the same. I think
that the most obvious benefiets that someone will see of the long
arms is if you are over 6" of lift and feel bumps on the road. With
short arms you can actually feel and see the axle pushing back into
the arm and frame. With a long arm, your angle is far less severe
and it absorbs the bumps MUCH softer. With that and the larger arc,
you have alot less wear on bushings, joints, and axle parts. The J
arms are great for lifts that are 4" or less, but I don't see them
working nearly as well with taller Jeeps. Can anyone show me that
they work for taller lifts?
Mike Anderson
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Linda" <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> What do you consider the advantages and disadvantages of the J-arms
> (medium length control arms) and long-arms?
>
> I almost converted my old ZJ to a long-arm setup but backed off
after
> examining the design/fab/materials/maintenance costs versus what I
> would get out it. Then I sold the Jeep :-(
>
> Linda
> 54 wagon - old tech being refreshed
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> > The J arms DO offer some advantages that long arms have, not ALL,
> and
> > they DO have disadvantages. I'll stick with my long arms, I like
> the
> > advantages that they offer.
> >
> > Mike Anderson
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > Yes sir !!!
> > > I'me also doing the lower j-arms in the front and will be
running
> a
> > single,
> > > longer upper control arm in the front.
> > > The j-arms are around 8" longer than stock control arms, so
this
> > makes it a
> > > "medium" arm kit, as opposed to a long arm kit.
> > > It provides all the advantages of a LA with none of the
> > disadvantages ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > :)
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rio Harbour" <rioshilo@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > >
> > >
> > > > Recessed rear shock mounts into the outside of the frame with
> > lower J arms
> > > > for the rear.... Did I win?
> > > >
> > > > Rio
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:54 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone wanna guess
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What I'm gettting ready to do ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts1.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fredtj.com/images/photos/table/Parts2.JPG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > :)
> > > > > Fred
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
88300 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:18am
Subject: WANTED: Stock TJ parts
Hi all,
I am working on a little project, and wanted to see if anyone has some
stock TJ Coils, control arms, and track bars. If you want to get rid of
them, for real cheap, like a 12 pack or something, let me know!
Thanks,
Mike Baney
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