blooddrive
01-08-2004, 08:58 PM
88049-88073
88049 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 3:42pm
Subject: RE: Crown King run Options
Joey many of our group the RockRats are taking the kids (yes Storm is
going) and camping out. We may even return down the same trail on Sunday.
Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:34 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
Anyone thought about taking a run with their children?
Is anyone camping overnight?
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88050 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:00pm
Subject: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
voice. Am I missing something?
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
your time on a
> weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
community would
> speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
stick. I urge
> everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
that do
> not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
important
> this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
soap
> box. Jim F. aka Hackle
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
88051 From: KurtASinger <alleyn59@y...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:52pm
Subject: Re: Rubicon or sport
If you think maintaining a jeep is bad...Think what it would take to
keep her happy?
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
wrote:
>
> I will trade my jeep for angelina jolie....straight across...... :)
>
>
> Frank
> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
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>
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>
> >From: "rbales77" <rbales77@y...>
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Rubicon or sport
> >Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:19:00 -0000
> >
> >I have to agree that if the Jeep came with Lora Croft I would have
to
> >buy that one to. The big question is. Is it better to get a Jeep
> >that has no upgrades on it or to get a Rubicon which has everything
> >that I would get. The only thing that I would think about changing
> >is the lift. Any suggestions
> >
> >Rob
> >
> >
> >
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88052 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:12pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Roger you are missing a large part of the group that will help us while we
help them. Last time I checked not everyone that is into OHV drives a
4-wheel drive. If we rely on only 4 wheel drive owners we are screwed. OHV
covers all the Quads, Motorcycles, buggies, bronco's, Toys, Suzuki, sand,
mud, plus the numerous other SUV's that at least camp. These are the type of
numbers we need to get involved to start making the greenies take a step
back. This is what I mean by one voice and a larger community. Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
voice. Am I missing something?
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
your time on a
> weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
community would
> speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
stick. I urge
> everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
that do
> not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
important
> this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
soap
> box. Jim F. aka Hackle
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
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88053 From: Mitch Woodward <bigwood@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Jim,
Are you implying that those of us that drive broncos, toys, and zukis are
not 4 wheel drive owners?
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
> Roger you are missing a large part of the group that will help us while we
> help them. Last time I checked not everyone that is into OHV drives a
> 4-wheel drive. If we rely on only 4 wheel drive owners we are screwed. OHV
> covers all the Quads, Motorcycles, buggies, bronco's, Toys, Suzuki, sand,
> mud, plus the numerous other SUV's that at least camp. These are the type
of
> numbers we need to get involved to start making the greenies take a step
> back. This is what I mean by one voice and a larger community. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>
>
> Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
> though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
> voice. Am I missing something?
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
> your time on a
> > weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
> community would
> > speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
> stick. I urge
> > everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
> that do
> > not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
> important
> > this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
> soap
> > box. Jim F. aka Hackle
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
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88054 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rubicon or sport
That's true, but she wouldn't need a lift. But can she lock up front
and back at the flip of a switch?
KurtASinger wrote:
>If you think maintaining a jeep is bad...Think what it would take to
>keep her happy?
>
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
>wrote:
>
>
>>I will trade my jeep for angelina jolie....straight across...... :)
>>
>>
>>Frank
>>http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
>>http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "rbales77" <rbales77@y...>
>>>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: [az_vjc] Rubicon or sport
>>>Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:19:00 -0000
>>>
>>>I have to agree that if the Jeep came with Lora Croft I would have
>>>
>>>
>to
>
>
>>>buy that one to. The big question is. Is it better to get a Jeep
>>>that has no upgrades on it or to get a Rubicon which has everything
>>>that I would get. The only thing that I would think about changing
>>>is the lift. Any suggestions
>>>
>>>Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>
>>>
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88055 From: Mike & Karen Acuna <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:58pm
Subject: crown king camping?
Are the trees still standing? Are the camp grounds still in the shade? Are open fires allowed?
Mike
98 ZJ
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88056 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:45pm
Subject: RE: Crown King run Options
I thought about taking a run with my children....then the sensible side
of me took over and I realized they couldn't share a cold beer with me
at the saloon! LOL So, they will have to stay home and wait until
they turn legal age! ;>)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:34 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
Anyone thought about taking a run with their children?
Is anyone camping overnight?
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88057 From: Mike & Karen Acuna <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Crown King run Options
Sure they could...............ROOT beer!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'DesertJeep'" <joey@d...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:45 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
> I thought about taking a run with my children....then the sensible side
> of me took over and I realized they couldn't share a cold beer with me
> at the saloon! LOL So, they will have to stay home and wait until
> they turn legal age! ;>)
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
>
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> Anyone thought about taking a run with their children?
>
> Is anyone camping overnight?
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88058 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:48pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
What??? Maybe if you spent the same amount of time supporting Land use
efforts that you spent worrying about some one in your own group
disrespecting your ride we would have more areas to wheel.
Get a grip on what is important. When was the last time you sent a letter
to the BLM, or your representative? Did you call your Senator to push the
protection of our forests that I sent earlier today.
We all need to stop the bull between ourselves and work together to keep
our land open to multiple use. Jim Florence
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:BigWood@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:43 PM
To: tomas2691; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Hackle
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Jim,
Are you implying that those of us that drive broncos, toys, and zukis are
not 4 wheel drive owners?
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
> Roger you are missing a large part of the group that will help us while we
> help them. Last time I checked not everyone that is into OHV drives a
> 4-wheel drive. If we rely on only 4 wheel drive owners we are screwed. OHV
> covers all the Quads, Motorcycles, buggies, bronco's, Toys, Suzuki, sand,
> mud, plus the numerous other SUV's that at least camp. These are the type
of
> numbers we need to get involved to start making the greenies take a step
> back. This is what I mean by one voice and a larger community. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>
>
> Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
> though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
> voice. Am I missing something?
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
> your time on a
> > weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
> community would
> > speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
> stick. I urge
> > everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
> that do
> > not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
> important
> > this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
> soap
> > box. Jim F. aka Hackle
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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88059 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:54pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
That is not the way I took it....I assumed he was speaking about those
broncos, toys, and zukis that are 2WD, just like the 2WD XJs, Rangers,
etc.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:bigwood@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:43 PM
To: tomas2691; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Hackle
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Jim,
Are you implying that those of us that drive broncos, toys, and zukis
are
not 4 wheel drive owners?
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
> Roger you are missing a large part of the group that will help us
while we
> help them. Last time I checked not everyone that is into OHV drives a
> 4-wheel drive. If we rely on only 4 wheel drive owners we are screwed.
OHV
> covers all the Quads, Motorcycles, buggies, bronco's, Toys, Suzuki,
sand,
> mud, plus the numerous other SUV's that at least camp. These are the
type
of
> numbers we need to get involved to start making the greenies take a
step
> back. This is what I mean by one voice and a larger community. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>
>
> Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
> though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
> voice. Am I missing something?
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
> your time on a
> > weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
> community would
> > speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
> stick. I urge
> > everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
> that do
> > not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
> important
> > this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
> soap
> > box. Jim F. aka Hackle
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
>
>
>
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88060 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:55pm
Subject: RE: Crown King run Options
But....I removed the rear seat about 72 hrs. after I bought the TJ.
However, my dog has been know to enjoy the back end of the TJ.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:49 PM
To: 'DesertJeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
Sure they could...............ROOT beer!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'DesertJeep'" <joey@d...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:45 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
> I thought about taking a run with my children....then the sensible
side
> of me took over and I realized they couldn't share a cold beer with me
> at the saloon! LOL So, they will have to stay home and wait until
> they turn legal age! ;>)
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
>
>
> Anyone thought about taking a run with their children?
>
> Is anyone camping overnight?
>
>
>
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88061 From: Keith <khaw@n...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 7:12pm
Subject: RE: 8.8
Try giving these people a shout. They had new 8.8' complete with disk
and 3:54 open diffs for under $500. There in Oklahoma City.
performance@a...
Keith
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88062 From: sdrichm <sdrichm@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 7:27pm
Subject: Shops around town.
I need to pick up a steering stabilizer for my 2003 TJ. Are there
any shops around the West side of town that anybody would
recommend. All I hear is to stay away from Desert Rat but don't
hear about any place to go to.
Let me know oh wise ones... lol
Steve
88063 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:49pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Consider this a fill in for Sandee while she attends to personal
matters of great interest.....
I will say that once differences with mode of transportation are set
aside, there is a fundamental issue: access to lands, public or
private, for recreation interests.
Is there a certain amount of hype in the subject? Yes, but not if
you really cared about your recreation opportunities.
California has been there done that and lost opportunities. It is a
toss-up as to whether Arizona, Nevada or New Mexico are next on the
firing line.
Consider the Cross Country Travel Management Plan. Consider the
pending issues with the Cinders. Consider the State Lands Trust
issues.
You guys stand to lose a lot if you cannot get ALL recreation
interests to at least sing in the same choir with the same sheet of
music. Okay, you can be slightly off key and out of sync; but get in
the same choir with the same music.
Direct flames at me, not Sandee.........
At 6:54 PM -0700 7/23/03, Stu Olson wrote:
>That is not the way I took it....I assumed he was speaking about those
>broncos, toys, and zukis that are 2WD, just like the 2WD XJs, Rangers,
>etc.
>
>Stu
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:bigwood@c...]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:43 PM
>To: tomas2691; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Hackle
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>
>Jim,
>
>Are you implying that those of us that drive broncos, toys, and zukis
>are
>not 4 wheel drive owners?
>
>Mitch
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
>To: "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:12 PM
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>
>
>> Roger you are missing a large part of the group that will help us
>while we
>> help them. Last time I checked not everyone that is into OHV drives a
>> 4-wheel drive. If we rely on only 4 wheel drive owners we are screwed.
>OHV
>> covers all the Quads, Motorcycles, buggies, bronco's, Toys, Suzuki,
>sand,
>> mud, plus the numerous other SUV's that at least camp. These are the
>type
>of
>> numbers we need to get involved to start making the greenies take a
>step
>> back. This is what I mean by one voice and a larger community. Jim F.
>>
>> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
>Groucho
>> Marx
>> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
>> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:01 PM
>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>>
>>
>> Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
>> though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
>> voice. Am I missing something?
>>
>> -Roger
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
>> > I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
>> your time on a
>> > weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
>> community would
>> > speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
>> stick. I urge
>> > everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
>> that do
>> > not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
>> important
>> > this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
>> soap
>> > box. Jim F. aka Hackle
>> >
>> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
>> Groucho
>> > Marx
>> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
>> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
> >
>>
--
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Director, Environmental Affairs,
United Four Wheel Drive Associations, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
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To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to MUIRNet, send email to john@m....
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Increased habitat designation for threatened and endangered species
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88064 From: KurtASinger <alleyn59@y...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:50pm
Subject: Re: crown king camping?
Some are, most are, and none are.
-- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike & Karen Acuna" <mkacuna@c...>
wrote:
> Are the trees still standing? Are the camp grounds still in the
shade? Are open fires allowed?
>
> Mike
> 98 ZJ
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
88065 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:21pm
Subject: Re: Shops around town.
4 Wheelers Supply in Phoenix is the best.
On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 07:27 PM, sdrichm wrote:
> I need to pick up a steering stabilizer for my 2003 TJ. Are there
> any shops around the West side of town that anybody would
> recommend. All I hear is to stay away from Desert Rat but don't
> hear about any place to go to.
>
> Let me know oh wise ones... lol
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
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88066 From: CANT W8 <rlpii@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:28pm
Subject: Re: Shops around town.
4 Wheelers Supply (602-273-7195) is good and so is AMC 4 X 4 Salvage
(623-937-5899) they have some new stuff too.
HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "sdrichm" <sdrichm@c...> wrote:
> I need to pick up a steering stabilizer for my 2003 TJ. Are there
> any shops around the West side of town that anybody would
> recommend. All I hear is to stay away from Desert Rat but don't
> hear about any place to go to.
>
> Let me know oh wise ones... lol
>
> Steve
88067 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:38pm
Subject: NOHVCC Workshop info w/o attachments
AZVJC......
I'm hearing most of you are not receiving the "attachment" re the NOHVCC
Workshop agenda and registration form so I'm copying it to the body of this
email.
Please JOIN IN..................... we need you ALL.
Sandee
ARIZONA
OHV LEADERSHIP
&
PROGRAM STRATEGY WORKSHOP
August 23-24, 2003
Country Inn & Suites
20221 North 29th Ave.
Phoenix, AZ 85027
ARIZONA
OHV LEADERSHIP & PROGRAM STRATEGY WORKSHOP
Country Inn & Suites
20221 North 29th Ave.
Phoenix, AZ 85027
August 23-24, 2003
WORKSHOP PURPOSE: To conduct an association development and strategic
planning workshop for Arizona off-highway vehicle leadership
representatives.
OBJECTIVES:
· To identify the benefits of a recognized and functional statewide OHV
Recreation Association;
· To determine the desired future organization condition for Arizona OHV
communities;
· To develop a six-month Statewide Arizona OHV Association development plan;
· To determine the desired condition of the Arizona OHV recreation program
by 2005;
· To identify actions that will reinstate and enhance the Arizona OHV
recreation program; and
· To identify actions that will protect and improve OHV recreation
opportunities on public lands within Arizona.
-REGISTRATION DEADLINE JULY 25-
REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED FOR ALL PARTICIPANTS
THERE WILL BE NO ON-SITE REGISTRATION
DRAFT AGENDA
SATURDAY – AUGUST 23
9:00 REGISTRATION WITH COFFEE NOHVCC
9:30 WELCOME
WORKSHOP OBJECTIVES, GROUND RULES Tom Crimmins
& INTRODUCTIONS
10:00 NOHVCC – WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO Dana Bell
10:30 CURRENT ORGANIZATION STATUS OF ARIZONA Tom Crimmins
OHV PUBLICS – FACILITATED DISCUSSION
· What is the current organizational situation?
· What are desired organizational situations?
· Where is there consensus?
11:30 LUNCH ON YOUR OWN
(There are a number of restaurants within walking distance of the hotel)
12:30 GETTING FROM TODAY TO THE DESIRED FUTURE –
FACILITATED DISCUSSION
· Progress Indicators
· Specific Actions
1:30 NEEDED RESOURCES
1:45 AVAILABLE RESOURCES – ORGANIZATION MISSIONS, RESOURCES, AND
PROCESS TO REQUEST ASSISTANCE
· Motorcycle Industry Council
· American Motorcyclist Association
· Blue Ribbon Coalition
SATURDAY - CONTINUED
2:30 BREAK
3:00 COMMUNICATION
· People Relations 101
· Current statewide communication process
· Communication resources
· Communication rules
· 2003 Arizona Communication Network & Process
4:30 EVENING ASSIGNMENT – THINGS TO THINK ABOUT
FOR SUNDAY
5:00 Adjourn for evening
5:30 p.m. Meet in lobby for optional no-host group dinner
ARIZONA OHV STRATEGIC PLANNING
SUNDAY-AUGUST 24
7:45 a.m. AGENDA AND GROUND RULES REVIEW with COFFEE NOHVCC
8:00 REVIEW OF NATIONAL AND STATE PLANNING Land PROCESSES, AND
CURRENT STATE OF THE AZ Management
OHV PROGRAM Representatives
8:45 ARIZONA 2005 – WHERE DOES THE OHV COMMUNITY
WANT TO BE?
9:45 BREAK
10:15 AZ GOVERNMENT 101 FOR 2005 Terry Cook
· Progress Indicators
· Specific Actions
12:15 LUNCH ON YOUR OWN
(There are a number of restaurants within walking distance of the hotel)
1:15 THE LAND MANAGEMENT PROCESS AND STEPS TO Tom Crimmins
EFFECTIVELY INFLUENCE IT Bill Dart
· Progress Indicators
· Specific Actions
2:15 BREAK
2:45 WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE – FACILITATED DISCUSSION
· Association Focus
· Legislation
· Legal options
4:00 p.m. Adjourn Workshop
LODGING
Accommodations for this workshop have been arranged at the Country Inn &
Suites located at 20221 North 29th Ave, Phoenix, AZ. We have arranged for a
special room rate of $59 + tax for a 2-room suite (includes a microwave,
mini-refrigerator, coffee maker, ironing board ) for all workshop
participants. When making reservations please indicate that you are with the
NOHVCC workshop to receive the special rate.
A complimentary breakfast buffet, fresh coffee and cookies are available to
all guests.
The hotel has a fitness center and an outdoor pool. A business center is
also on site.
The Country Inn & Suites is located in the progressive northwest corridor
just 15 minutes north of the Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport. The
Inn & Suites is within walking distance of several restaurants, Peoria
Sports Complex, Movie Theater and retail establishments.
TO RESERVE YOUR ROOM AT THE COUNTRY INN & SUITES FOR THIS WORKSHOP, CALL
(623) 879-9000.
AIRPORT TRANSPORTATION
The Country Inn & Suites is about 15 minutes from the airport, but it does
not have an airport shuttle. The hotel suggests the Super Shuttle, they may
be reached at 800-258-3826, cost for one way service is $19.00.
Ground Transportation directions:
At sign TERMINAL 2/24TH STREET EXIT... follow E Sky Harbor Blvd for 1.9
miles
At sign CENTRAL PHOENIX/SQUAW PEAK PKWY (AZ-51) follow the motorway I-10 for
6 miles, At sign FLAGSTAFF follow the motorway I-17/us-60 East Ramp, At sign
FLAGSTAFF follow the motorway Interstate Route 17 North Ramp
At sign FLAGSTAFF follow the motorway I-17 for 12 miles
At sign YORKSHIRE DR/UNION HILLS DR exit: 214
Follow N Black Canyon Hwy,Turn left, follow W Yorkshire Dr
Turn right, follow N 27th Ave, Turn left, follow W Beardsley Rd,
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REGISTRATION FORM
Please Print or Type
ARIZONA OHV LEADERSHIP & PROGRAM STRATEGY WORKSHOP
August 23-24, 2003
Country Inn & Suites
Phoenix, Arizona
Name:
Title:
Agency/Organization:
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City: _________________________ State: ___________ Zip:
Phone: _____________ Fax:
E-Mail Address: _____________________________
REGISTRATION:
· Registration is required.
· Deadline for registration is July 25th
· Late registrations will be accepted only on a space-available basis
through August 8th
· There will be NO On-Site Registration.
MAIL OR FAX REGISTRATION TO:
NOHVCC
Attn: Lynn Noltner (800) 348-6487 (phone)
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88068 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:40pm
Subject: Re: Crown King run
I believe the name of the road is New river first exit past New river
heading north follow that road a few miles & you will end up near the 99th
ave intersection
THANKS RICK BEER
----- Original Message -----
From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
To: <azxjer@h...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Crown King run
> Unfortuntly, if you are coming down from Flagstaff (to the best of my
> Kkowledge,) you will have to drive all the way around to Lake Pleasent.
> and back up.
> (been there done that) Off Bumble bee, is the way you go to take the
> front
> way in, or the "fast way to the bars".. LOL.. You'll have to come down
> to
> Carefree highway and take it over. lake pleasent road.
>
> I might be wrong but for the life of my I cant think of anyother way
> Good luck..
>
> john k
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
88069 From: bk83gold <bk83@j...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:50pm
Subject: Which is better YJ or TJ AC
I am looking at buying a nother jeep and I want to know if there is a
real difference in the YJ and TJ ac. I know the TJ is an overall
better jeep but I have heard that the TJ's air is as good as a car's
ac. Is there any truth to this, or are people just talking bull.
Thanks guys happy wheeling,
Brandon
88070 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Which is better YJ or TJ AC
YJ's 94 and older have 260 axle joints (weak), whereas the 95 YJ and all
TJ's have 297 joints, which are much stronger. Also, most (if not all YJ's)
have the D35c rear axle. TJ's also have this axle, but also come (as an
option) w/ D44's.
TJ's have a better ride (IMO) than YJ's, however, YJ's are easier and
cheaper to do axle upgrades.
Both are extremely capable offroad.
If interested in a YJ, I'd look at 95's.
If interested in a TJ, get one with a D44.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "bk83gold" <bk83@j...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:50 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Which is better YJ or TJ AC
> I am looking at buying a nother jeep and I want to know if there is a
> real difference in the YJ and TJ ac. I know the TJ is an overall
> better jeep but I have heard that the TJ's air is as good as a car's
> ac. Is there any truth to this, or are people just talking bull.
>
> Thanks guys happy wheeling,
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
88071 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:02pm
Subject: RE: Which is better YJ or TJ AC
I can think of no reason why it shouldn't be as good. I've got no
complaints with my TJ's A/C.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: bk83gold [mailto:bk83@j...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:50 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Which is better YJ or TJ AC
I am looking at buying a nother jeep and I want to know if there is a
real difference in the YJ and TJ ac. I know the TJ is an overall
better jeep but I have heard that the TJ's air is as good as a car's
ac. Is there any truth to this, or are people just talking bull.
Thanks guys happy wheeling,
Brandon
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88072 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:09pm
Subject: Re: Which is better YJ or TJ AC
The AC works pretty well in a TJ with the soft top. In the summer
you can make it comfortable, but I have found that it isn't near as
good as a car. In a car, after 15 minutes or so you can turn the air
down to the lower settings, but the TJ you need to keep it on hi.
Makes sense though since you are loosing your cold air through the
fabric and zippers. If you have to choose... I second the TJ with a
D44 rear. -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "bk83gold" <bk83@j...> wrote:
> I am looking at buying a nother jeep and I want to know if there
is a
> real difference in the YJ and TJ ac. I know the TJ is an overall
> better jeep but I have heard that the TJ's air is as good as a
car's
> ac. Is there any truth to this, or are people just talking bull.
>
> Thanks guys happy wheeling,
> Brandon
88073 From: Chris Lindsey <azrubi@a...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:51pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Please don't misunderstand me... This is not an attack.
The reality is that the majority of "users" consider
themselves "individuals". They're not part of a group. They don't
consider themselves as a "Jeeper", "Quader", "Motorcyclist" or whatever.
They're people wanting to go out and have a good time and enjoy
the "outdoors".
"WE" are never going to make the "greenies" take a step back, cuz, they
don't give a sh!t about what "we" want. They're on a mission and we will
never be able to mount a united front to repel them by trying to assemble
people that are just trying to make a living and have a little fun.
So, I ignore them. And I ignore most of you. I know it doesn't seem to
make sense, but if I don't give them or you any special consideration,
then your point of view isn't relevant.
I'm putting on my asbestos underwear, as I assume I'm going to receive
some flames over this. But, the bottom line, in my mind, is that if you
don't take them serious, no one else will. Or, if I'm completely wrong,
we're screwed anyway as the only options and alternatives I've seen
coming out of the OHV community for the last 20 years is concessions. I
for one, am tired of giving "it" up to make other people feel like I'm a
nice guy.
My .02 YMMV
Take care,
Chris
>>>----------------------->
Christopher Lindsey
Union Planters Mortgage
8700 E. Via de Ventura
Suite 150
Scottsdale, AZ 85258
http://www.ChrisLindsey.com
480-951-1422 Ext. 300 Main
623-742-9911 FAX Direct
602-577-5988 Cell
>>>------------------------>
-----Original Message-----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...>, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:12:56 -0700
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
> Roger you are missing a large part of the group that will help us
> while we
> help them. Last time I checked not everyone that is into OHV drives a
> 4-wheel drive. If we rely on only 4 wheel drive owners we are screwed.
> OHV
> covers all the Quads, Motorcycles, buggies, bronco's, Toys, Suzuki,
> sand,
> mud, plus the numerous other SUV's that at least camp. These are the
> type of
> numbers we need to get involved to start making the greenies take a
> step
> back. This is what I mean by one voice and a larger community. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>
>
> Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
> though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
> voice. Am I missing something?
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
> your time on a
> > weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
> community would
> > speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
> stick. I urge
> > everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
> that do
> > not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
> important
> > this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
> soap
> > box. Jim F. aka Hackle
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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88049 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 3:42pm
Subject: RE: Crown King run Options
Joey many of our group the RockRats are taking the kids (yes Storm is
going) and camping out. We may even return down the same trail on Sunday.
Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:34 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
Anyone thought about taking a run with their children?
Is anyone camping overnight?
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88050 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:00pm
Subject: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
voice. Am I missing something?
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
your time on a
> weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
community would
> speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
stick. I urge
> everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
that do
> not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
important
> this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
soap
> box. Jim F. aka Hackle
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
88051 From: KurtASinger <alleyn59@y...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:52pm
Subject: Re: Rubicon or sport
If you think maintaining a jeep is bad...Think what it would take to
keep her happy?
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
wrote:
>
> I will trade my jeep for angelina jolie....straight across...... :)
>
>
> Frank
> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "rbales77" <rbales77@y...>
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Rubicon or sport
> >Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:19:00 -0000
> >
> >I have to agree that if the Jeep came with Lora Croft I would have
to
> >buy that one to. The big question is. Is it better to get a Jeep
> >that has no upgrades on it or to get a Rubicon which has everything
> >that I would get. The only thing that I would think about changing
> >is the lift. Any suggestions
> >
> >Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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88052 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:12pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Roger you are missing a large part of the group that will help us while we
help them. Last time I checked not everyone that is into OHV drives a
4-wheel drive. If we rely on only 4 wheel drive owners we are screwed. OHV
covers all the Quads, Motorcycles, buggies, bronco's, Toys, Suzuki, sand,
mud, plus the numerous other SUV's that at least camp. These are the type of
numbers we need to get involved to start making the greenies take a step
back. This is what I mean by one voice and a larger community. Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
voice. Am I missing something?
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
your time on a
> weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
community would
> speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
stick. I urge
> everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
that do
> not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
important
> this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
soap
> box. Jim F. aka Hackle
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
88053 From: Mitch Woodward <bigwood@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Jim,
Are you implying that those of us that drive broncos, toys, and zukis are
not 4 wheel drive owners?
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
> Roger you are missing a large part of the group that will help us while we
> help them. Last time I checked not everyone that is into OHV drives a
> 4-wheel drive. If we rely on only 4 wheel drive owners we are screwed. OHV
> covers all the Quads, Motorcycles, buggies, bronco's, Toys, Suzuki, sand,
> mud, plus the numerous other SUV's that at least camp. These are the type
of
> numbers we need to get involved to start making the greenies take a step
> back. This is what I mean by one voice and a larger community. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>
>
> Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
> though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
> voice. Am I missing something?
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
> your time on a
> > weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
> community would
> > speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
> stick. I urge
> > everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
> that do
> > not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
> important
> > this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
> soap
> > box. Jim F. aka Hackle
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
88054 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rubicon or sport
That's true, but she wouldn't need a lift. But can she lock up front
and back at the flip of a switch?
KurtASinger wrote:
>If you think maintaining a jeep is bad...Think what it would take to
>keep her happy?
>
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
>wrote:
>
>
>>I will trade my jeep for angelina jolie....straight across...... :)
>>
>>
>>Frank
>>http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
>>http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "rbales77" <rbales77@y...>
>>>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: [az_vjc] Rubicon or sport
>>>Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:19:00 -0000
>>>
>>>I have to agree that if the Jeep came with Lora Croft I would have
>>>
>>>
>to
>
>
>>>buy that one to. The big question is. Is it better to get a Jeep
>>>that has no upgrades on it or to get a Rubicon which has everything
>>>that I would get. The only thing that I would think about changing
>>>is the lift. Any suggestions
>>>
>>>Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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88055 From: Mike & Karen Acuna <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:58pm
Subject: crown king camping?
Are the trees still standing? Are the camp grounds still in the shade? Are open fires allowed?
Mike
98 ZJ
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
88056 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:45pm
Subject: RE: Crown King run Options
I thought about taking a run with my children....then the sensible side
of me took over and I realized they couldn't share a cold beer with me
at the saloon! LOL So, they will have to stay home and wait until
they turn legal age! ;>)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:34 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
Anyone thought about taking a run with their children?
Is anyone camping overnight?
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88057 From: Mike & Karen Acuna <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Crown King run Options
Sure they could...............ROOT beer!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'DesertJeep'" <joey@d...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:45 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
> I thought about taking a run with my children....then the sensible side
> of me took over and I realized they couldn't share a cold beer with me
> at the saloon! LOL So, they will have to stay home and wait until
> they turn legal age! ;>)
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
>
>
> Anyone thought about taking a run with their children?
>
> Is anyone camping overnight?
>
>
>
>
>
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88058 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:48pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
What??? Maybe if you spent the same amount of time supporting Land use
efforts that you spent worrying about some one in your own group
disrespecting your ride we would have more areas to wheel.
Get a grip on what is important. When was the last time you sent a letter
to the BLM, or your representative? Did you call your Senator to push the
protection of our forests that I sent earlier today.
We all need to stop the bull between ourselves and work together to keep
our land open to multiple use. Jim Florence
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:BigWood@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:43 PM
To: tomas2691; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Hackle
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Jim,
Are you implying that those of us that drive broncos, toys, and zukis are
not 4 wheel drive owners?
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
> Roger you are missing a large part of the group that will help us while we
> help them. Last time I checked not everyone that is into OHV drives a
> 4-wheel drive. If we rely on only 4 wheel drive owners we are screwed. OHV
> covers all the Quads, Motorcycles, buggies, bronco's, Toys, Suzuki, sand,
> mud, plus the numerous other SUV's that at least camp. These are the type
of
> numbers we need to get involved to start making the greenies take a step
> back. This is what I mean by one voice and a larger community. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>
>
> Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
> though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
> voice. Am I missing something?
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
> your time on a
> > weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
> community would
> > speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
> stick. I urge
> > everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
> that do
> > not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
> important
> > this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
> soap
> > box. Jim F. aka Hackle
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
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88059 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:54pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
That is not the way I took it....I assumed he was speaking about those
broncos, toys, and zukis that are 2WD, just like the 2WD XJs, Rangers,
etc.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:bigwood@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:43 PM
To: tomas2691; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Hackle
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Jim,
Are you implying that those of us that drive broncos, toys, and zukis
are
not 4 wheel drive owners?
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
> Roger you are missing a large part of the group that will help us
while we
> help them. Last time I checked not everyone that is into OHV drives a
> 4-wheel drive. If we rely on only 4 wheel drive owners we are screwed.
OHV
> covers all the Quads, Motorcycles, buggies, bronco's, Toys, Suzuki,
sand,
> mud, plus the numerous other SUV's that at least camp. These are the
type
of
> numbers we need to get involved to start making the greenies take a
step
> back. This is what I mean by one voice and a larger community. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>
>
> Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
> though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
> voice. Am I missing something?
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
> your time on a
> > weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
> community would
> > speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
> stick. I urge
> > everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
> that do
> > not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
> important
> > this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
> soap
> > box. Jim F. aka Hackle
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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>
>
>
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88060 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:55pm
Subject: RE: Crown King run Options
But....I removed the rear seat about 72 hrs. after I bought the TJ.
However, my dog has been know to enjoy the back end of the TJ.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:49 PM
To: 'DesertJeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
Sure they could...............ROOT beer!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'DesertJeep'" <joey@d...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:45 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
> I thought about taking a run with my children....then the sensible
side
> of me took over and I realized they couldn't share a cold beer with me
> at the saloon! LOL So, they will have to stay home and wait until
> they turn legal age! ;>)
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King run Options
>
>
> Anyone thought about taking a run with their children?
>
> Is anyone camping overnight?
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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>
>
>
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88061 From: Keith <khaw@n...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 7:12pm
Subject: RE: 8.8
Try giving these people a shout. They had new 8.8' complete with disk
and 3:54 open diffs for under $500. There in Oklahoma City.
performance@a...
Keith
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88062 From: sdrichm <sdrichm@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 7:27pm
Subject: Shops around town.
I need to pick up a steering stabilizer for my 2003 TJ. Are there
any shops around the West side of town that anybody would
recommend. All I hear is to stay away from Desert Rat but don't
hear about any place to go to.
Let me know oh wise ones... lol
Steve
88063 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:49pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Consider this a fill in for Sandee while she attends to personal
matters of great interest.....
I will say that once differences with mode of transportation are set
aside, there is a fundamental issue: access to lands, public or
private, for recreation interests.
Is there a certain amount of hype in the subject? Yes, but not if
you really cared about your recreation opportunities.
California has been there done that and lost opportunities. It is a
toss-up as to whether Arizona, Nevada or New Mexico are next on the
firing line.
Consider the Cross Country Travel Management Plan. Consider the
pending issues with the Cinders. Consider the State Lands Trust
issues.
You guys stand to lose a lot if you cannot get ALL recreation
interests to at least sing in the same choir with the same sheet of
music. Okay, you can be slightly off key and out of sync; but get in
the same choir with the same music.
Direct flames at me, not Sandee.........
At 6:54 PM -0700 7/23/03, Stu Olson wrote:
>That is not the way I took it....I assumed he was speaking about those
>broncos, toys, and zukis that are 2WD, just like the 2WD XJs, Rangers,
>etc.
>
>Stu
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:bigwood@c...]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:43 PM
>To: tomas2691; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Hackle
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>
>Jim,
>
>Are you implying that those of us that drive broncos, toys, and zukis
>are
>not 4 wheel drive owners?
>
>Mitch
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
>To: "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:12 PM
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>
>
>> Roger you are missing a large part of the group that will help us
>while we
>> help them. Last time I checked not everyone that is into OHV drives a
>> 4-wheel drive. If we rely on only 4 wheel drive owners we are screwed.
>OHV
>> covers all the Quads, Motorcycles, buggies, bronco's, Toys, Suzuki,
>sand,
>> mud, plus the numerous other SUV's that at least camp. These are the
>type
>of
>> numbers we need to get involved to start making the greenies take a
>step
>> back. This is what I mean by one voice and a larger community. Jim F.
>>
>> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
>Groucho
>> Marx
>> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
>> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:01 PM
>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
>>
>>
>> Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
>> though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
>> voice. Am I missing something?
>>
>> -Roger
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
>> > I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
>> your time on a
>> > weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
>> community would
>> > speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
>> stick. I urge
>> > everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
>> that do
>> > not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
>> important
>> > this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
>> soap
>> > box. Jim F. aka Hackle
>> >
>> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
>> Groucho
>> > Marx
>> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
>> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
> >
>>
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs,
United Four Wheel Drive Associations, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Moderator, MUIRNet - Multiple Use Information Resource Network
To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to MUIRNet, send email to john@m....
A fundamental law of public land access is:
Increased habitat designation for threatened and endangered species
is directly proportional to loss of access to public lands.
88064 From: KurtASinger <alleyn59@y...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:50pm
Subject: Re: crown king camping?
Some are, most are, and none are.
-- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike & Karen Acuna" <mkacuna@c...>
wrote:
> Are the trees still standing? Are the camp grounds still in the
shade? Are open fires allowed?
>
> Mike
> 98 ZJ
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
88065 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:21pm
Subject: Re: Shops around town.
4 Wheelers Supply in Phoenix is the best.
On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 07:27 PM, sdrichm wrote:
> I need to pick up a steering stabilizer for my 2003 TJ. Are there
> any shops around the West side of town that anybody would
> recommend. All I hear is to stay away from Desert Rat but don't
> hear about any place to go to.
>
> Let me know oh wise ones... lol
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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88066 From: CANT W8 <rlpii@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:28pm
Subject: Re: Shops around town.
4 Wheelers Supply (602-273-7195) is good and so is AMC 4 X 4 Salvage
(623-937-5899) they have some new stuff too.
HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "sdrichm" <sdrichm@c...> wrote:
> I need to pick up a steering stabilizer for my 2003 TJ. Are there
> any shops around the West side of town that anybody would
> recommend. All I hear is to stay away from Desert Rat but don't
> hear about any place to go to.
>
> Let me know oh wise ones... lol
>
> Steve
88067 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:38pm
Subject: NOHVCC Workshop info w/o attachments
AZVJC......
I'm hearing most of you are not receiving the "attachment" re the NOHVCC
Workshop agenda and registration form so I'm copying it to the body of this
email.
Please JOIN IN..................... we need you ALL.
Sandee
ARIZONA
OHV LEADERSHIP
&
PROGRAM STRATEGY WORKSHOP
August 23-24, 2003
Country Inn & Suites
20221 North 29th Ave.
Phoenix, AZ 85027
ARIZONA
OHV LEADERSHIP & PROGRAM STRATEGY WORKSHOP
Country Inn & Suites
20221 North 29th Ave.
Phoenix, AZ 85027
August 23-24, 2003
WORKSHOP PURPOSE: To conduct an association development and strategic
planning workshop for Arizona off-highway vehicle leadership
representatives.
OBJECTIVES:
· To identify the benefits of a recognized and functional statewide OHV
Recreation Association;
· To determine the desired future organization condition for Arizona OHV
communities;
· To develop a six-month Statewide Arizona OHV Association development plan;
· To determine the desired condition of the Arizona OHV recreation program
by 2005;
· To identify actions that will reinstate and enhance the Arizona OHV
recreation program; and
· To identify actions that will protect and improve OHV recreation
opportunities on public lands within Arizona.
-REGISTRATION DEADLINE JULY 25-
REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED FOR ALL PARTICIPANTS
THERE WILL BE NO ON-SITE REGISTRATION
DRAFT AGENDA
SATURDAY – AUGUST 23
9:00 REGISTRATION WITH COFFEE NOHVCC
9:30 WELCOME
WORKSHOP OBJECTIVES, GROUND RULES Tom Crimmins
& INTRODUCTIONS
10:00 NOHVCC – WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO Dana Bell
10:30 CURRENT ORGANIZATION STATUS OF ARIZONA Tom Crimmins
OHV PUBLICS – FACILITATED DISCUSSION
· What is the current organizational situation?
· What are desired organizational situations?
· Where is there consensus?
11:30 LUNCH ON YOUR OWN
(There are a number of restaurants within walking distance of the hotel)
12:30 GETTING FROM TODAY TO THE DESIRED FUTURE –
FACILITATED DISCUSSION
· Progress Indicators
· Specific Actions
1:30 NEEDED RESOURCES
1:45 AVAILABLE RESOURCES – ORGANIZATION MISSIONS, RESOURCES, AND
PROCESS TO REQUEST ASSISTANCE
· Motorcycle Industry Council
· American Motorcyclist Association
· Blue Ribbon Coalition
SATURDAY - CONTINUED
2:30 BREAK
3:00 COMMUNICATION
· People Relations 101
· Current statewide communication process
· Communication resources
· Communication rules
· 2003 Arizona Communication Network & Process
4:30 EVENING ASSIGNMENT – THINGS TO THINK ABOUT
FOR SUNDAY
5:00 Adjourn for evening
5:30 p.m. Meet in lobby for optional no-host group dinner
ARIZONA OHV STRATEGIC PLANNING
SUNDAY-AUGUST 24
7:45 a.m. AGENDA AND GROUND RULES REVIEW with COFFEE NOHVCC
8:00 REVIEW OF NATIONAL AND STATE PLANNING Land PROCESSES, AND
CURRENT STATE OF THE AZ Management
OHV PROGRAM Representatives
8:45 ARIZONA 2005 – WHERE DOES THE OHV COMMUNITY
WANT TO BE?
9:45 BREAK
10:15 AZ GOVERNMENT 101 FOR 2005 Terry Cook
· Progress Indicators
· Specific Actions
12:15 LUNCH ON YOUR OWN
(There are a number of restaurants within walking distance of the hotel)
1:15 THE LAND MANAGEMENT PROCESS AND STEPS TO Tom Crimmins
EFFECTIVELY INFLUENCE IT Bill Dart
· Progress Indicators
· Specific Actions
2:15 BREAK
2:45 WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE – FACILITATED DISCUSSION
· Association Focus
· Legislation
· Legal options
4:00 p.m. Adjourn Workshop
LODGING
Accommodations for this workshop have been arranged at the Country Inn &
Suites located at 20221 North 29th Ave, Phoenix, AZ. We have arranged for a
special room rate of $59 + tax for a 2-room suite (includes a microwave,
mini-refrigerator, coffee maker, ironing board ) for all workshop
participants. When making reservations please indicate that you are with the
NOHVCC workshop to receive the special rate.
A complimentary breakfast buffet, fresh coffee and cookies are available to
all guests.
The hotel has a fitness center and an outdoor pool. A business center is
also on site.
The Country Inn & Suites is located in the progressive northwest corridor
just 15 minutes north of the Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport. The
Inn & Suites is within walking distance of several restaurants, Peoria
Sports Complex, Movie Theater and retail establishments.
TO RESERVE YOUR ROOM AT THE COUNTRY INN & SUITES FOR THIS WORKSHOP, CALL
(623) 879-9000.
AIRPORT TRANSPORTATION
The Country Inn & Suites is about 15 minutes from the airport, but it does
not have an airport shuttle. The hotel suggests the Super Shuttle, they may
be reached at 800-258-3826, cost for one way service is $19.00.
Ground Transportation directions:
At sign TERMINAL 2/24TH STREET EXIT... follow E Sky Harbor Blvd for 1.9
miles
At sign CENTRAL PHOENIX/SQUAW PEAK PKWY (AZ-51) follow the motorway I-10 for
6 miles, At sign FLAGSTAFF follow the motorway I-17/us-60 East Ramp, At sign
FLAGSTAFF follow the motorway Interstate Route 17 North Ramp
At sign FLAGSTAFF follow the motorway I-17 for 12 miles
At sign YORKSHIRE DR/UNION HILLS DR exit: 214
Follow N Black Canyon Hwy,Turn left, follow W Yorkshire Dr
Turn right, follow N 27th Ave, Turn left, follow W Beardsley Rd,
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REGISTRATION FORM
Please Print or Type
ARIZONA OHV LEADERSHIP & PROGRAM STRATEGY WORKSHOP
August 23-24, 2003
Country Inn & Suites
Phoenix, Arizona
Name:
Title:
Agency/Organization:
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City: _________________________ State: ___________ Zip:
Phone: _____________ Fax:
E-Mail Address: _____________________________
REGISTRATION:
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88068 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:40pm
Subject: Re: Crown King run
I believe the name of the road is New river first exit past New river
heading north follow that road a few miles & you will end up near the 99th
ave intersection
THANKS RICK BEER
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From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
To: <azxjer@h...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Crown King run
> Unfortuntly, if you are coming down from Flagstaff (to the best of my
> Kkowledge,) you will have to drive all the way around to Lake Pleasent.
> and back up.
> (been there done that) Off Bumble bee, is the way you go to take the
> front
> way in, or the "fast way to the bars".. LOL.. You'll have to come down
> to
> Carefree highway and take it over. lake pleasent road.
>
> I might be wrong but for the life of my I cant think of anyother way
> Good luck..
>
> john k
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88069 From: bk83gold <bk83@j...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:50pm
Subject: Which is better YJ or TJ AC
I am looking at buying a nother jeep and I want to know if there is a
real difference in the YJ and TJ ac. I know the TJ is an overall
better jeep but I have heard that the TJ's air is as good as a car's
ac. Is there any truth to this, or are people just talking bull.
Thanks guys happy wheeling,
Brandon
88070 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Which is better YJ or TJ AC
YJ's 94 and older have 260 axle joints (weak), whereas the 95 YJ and all
TJ's have 297 joints, which are much stronger. Also, most (if not all YJ's)
have the D35c rear axle. TJ's also have this axle, but also come (as an
option) w/ D44's.
TJ's have a better ride (IMO) than YJ's, however, YJ's are easier and
cheaper to do axle upgrades.
Both are extremely capable offroad.
If interested in a YJ, I'd look at 95's.
If interested in a TJ, get one with a D44.
Doug
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From: "bk83gold" <bk83@j...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:50 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Which is better YJ or TJ AC
> I am looking at buying a nother jeep and I want to know if there is a
> real difference in the YJ and TJ ac. I know the TJ is an overall
> better jeep but I have heard that the TJ's air is as good as a car's
> ac. Is there any truth to this, or are people just talking bull.
>
> Thanks guys happy wheeling,
> Brandon
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88071 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:02pm
Subject: RE: Which is better YJ or TJ AC
I can think of no reason why it shouldn't be as good. I've got no
complaints with my TJ's A/C.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: bk83gold [mailto:bk83@j...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:50 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Which is better YJ or TJ AC
I am looking at buying a nother jeep and I want to know if there is a
real difference in the YJ and TJ ac. I know the TJ is an overall
better jeep but I have heard that the TJ's air is as good as a car's
ac. Is there any truth to this, or are people just talking bull.
Thanks guys happy wheeling,
Brandon
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88072 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:09pm
Subject: Re: Which is better YJ or TJ AC
The AC works pretty well in a TJ with the soft top. In the summer
you can make it comfortable, but I have found that it isn't near as
good as a car. In a car, after 15 minutes or so you can turn the air
down to the lower settings, but the TJ you need to keep it on hi.
Makes sense though since you are loosing your cold air through the
fabric and zippers. If you have to choose... I second the TJ with a
D44 rear. -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "bk83gold" <bk83@j...> wrote:
> I am looking at buying a nother jeep and I want to know if there
is a
> real difference in the YJ and TJ ac. I know the TJ is an overall
> better jeep but I have heard that the TJ's air is as good as a
car's
> ac. Is there any truth to this, or are people just talking bull.
>
> Thanks guys happy wheeling,
> Brandon
88073 From: Chris Lindsey <azrubi@a...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:51pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
Please don't misunderstand me... This is not an attack.
The reality is that the majority of "users" consider
themselves "individuals". They're not part of a group. They don't
consider themselves as a "Jeeper", "Quader", "Motorcyclist" or whatever.
They're people wanting to go out and have a good time and enjoy
the "outdoors".
"WE" are never going to make the "greenies" take a step back, cuz, they
don't give a sh!t about what "we" want. They're on a mission and we will
never be able to mount a united front to repel them by trying to assemble
people that are just trying to make a living and have a little fun.
So, I ignore them. And I ignore most of you. I know it doesn't seem to
make sense, but if I don't give them or you any special consideration,
then your point of view isn't relevant.
I'm putting on my asbestos underwear, as I assume I'm going to receive
some flames over this. But, the bottom line, in my mind, is that if you
don't take them serious, no one else will. Or, if I'm completely wrong,
we're screwed anyway as the only options and alternatives I've seen
coming out of the OHV community for the last 20 years is concessions. I
for one, am tired of giving "it" up to make other people feel like I'm a
nice guy.
My .02 YMMV
Take care,
Chris
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...>, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:12:56 -0700
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
> Roger you are missing a large part of the group that will help us
> while we
> help them. Last time I checked not everyone that is into OHV drives a
> 4-wheel drive. If we rely on only 4 wheel drive owners we are screwed.
> OHV
> covers all the Quads, Motorcycles, buggies, bronco's, Toys, Suzuki,
> sand,
> mud, plus the numerous other SUV's that at least camp. These are the
> type of
> numbers we need to get involved to start making the greenies take a
> step
> back. This is what I mean by one voice and a larger community. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: URGENT AZ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP
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>
> Any idea how this "organization" would relate to the ASA4WDC? I
> though the ASA4WDC was going to try to become that single, state-wide
> voice. Am I missing something?
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > I have sent my registration in (again) This is well worth
> your time on a
> > weekend. If we get a good organization set up the entire OHV
> community would
> > speak with one voice and have the numbers behind it to make it
> stick. I urge
> > everyone that gets involved in the Land Use Meetings and even those
> that do
> > not to join in. I do not know how to make everyone understand how
> important
> > this could be if we put in the effort to get it started. OK off the
> soap
> > box. Jim F. aka Hackle
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
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