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87874 From: sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 9:55am
Subject: Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

Now that was the response I was looking for :)
Glad to see your awake LOL

Sharky

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> Hey now!
>
> There is no correlation between welding on the frame and alumi-
stress
> steering... unless of course you happen to overheat the aluminum
during the
> welding process in which case it becomes EVEN more brittle, which
could of
> course cause it to fracture even easier which could lead to a
failure at
> high speed causing you to slam into a bus full of school children
which
> would then cause the demise of the entire bus load of children
resulting in
> the recall of all alumi-stress components ever installed and the
resulting
> bankruptcy of Toys By Troy and vindication of all my comments
regarding the
> risks of using aluminum in single point failure designs.. LOL
> Just joking Sharky (okay... I'm not) :)
>
> Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
> With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his welder can give
> and I sure dont want my front end falling out on me because Im sure
> that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-Flex LOL
> Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)
>
> Sharky
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis" <luvrocks@c...> wrote:
> > so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats smart LOL!!!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
> >
> >
> > > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the welding he did
> for
> > > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter Offroad.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sharky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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87875 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:04am
Subject: Re: Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

Sharky, I'm still confused (or maybe more confused ;) )..
How's it a 3 link and not a 4 link.
How many axle attachments are there ??

:)
Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

> They dont get rid of the track bar, they do a custom steering system
> with it how ever Ive got Troy's steering so I did not need the one
> they make.
>
> Sharky
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > 3 link front ???
> > Sharky, didn't you say that you got the new RK kit ??
> > How'd they get rid of the front trackbar ??
> >
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
> >
> >
> > > You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
> > > With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his welder can
> give
> > > and I sure dont want my front end falling out on me because Im
> sure
> > > that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-Flex LOL
> > > Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)
> > >
> > > Sharky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis" <luvrocks@c...>
> wrote:
> > > > so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats smart
> LOL!!!
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the welding he
> did
> > > for
> > > > > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter
> Offroad.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Sharky
> > > > >
> > > > >
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87876 From: sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:07am
Subject: Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

3 points of attachment...hense the 3 link LOL The 2 lower
control arms and a torque arm on the drivers side too a custom weld
on bracket with the kit. The torque arm mounts to the lower arm and
to the axle

Sharky

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Sharky, I'm still confused (or maybe more confused ;) )..
> How's it a 3 link and not a 4 link.
> How many axle attachments are there ??
>
>
> :)
> Fred
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:51 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> > They dont get rid of the track bar, they do a custom steering
system
> > with it how ever Ive got Troy's steering so I did not need the one
> > they make.
> >
> > Sharky
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > 3 link front ???
> > > Sharky, didn't you say that you got the new RK kit ??
> > > How'd they get rid of the front trackbar ??
> > >
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
> > >
> > >
> > > > You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
> > > > With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his welder can
> > give
> > > > and I sure dont want my front end falling out on me because Im
> > sure
> > > > that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-Flex
LOL
> > > > Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)
> > > >
> > > > Sharky
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis" <luvrocks@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats smart
> > LOL!!!
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the welding
he
> > did
> > > > for
> > > > > > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter
> > Offroad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Sharky
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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87877 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:17am
Subject: Re: Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

Ahh, ok, it's there regular front mounting.. I didn't know if their new
stretch kit was different in the front.

I really call it a 4 link though ;)
- 2 LCA's
- 1 Upper (even though it sort of mounts to the same area as the drivers
side LCA, it's still a separate arm ;) ) radius arm (or torque arm as
they call it)
- 1 track bar

BTW, I have their rear tri-link (only) on my TJ, and so far it's been
great..
Nice getting rid of the rear track bar.. No more wanting the squat on the
right rear, and lighten up the left front ;)

:)
Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:07 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

> 3 points of attachment...hense the 3 link LOL The 2 lower
> control arms and a torque arm on the drivers side too a custom weld
> on bracket with the kit. The torque arm mounts to the lower arm and
> to the axle
>
> Sharky
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > Sharky, I'm still confused (or maybe more confused ;) )..
> > How's it a 3 link and not a 4 link.
> > How many axle attachments are there ??
> >
> >
> > :)
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:51 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
> >
> >
> > > They dont get rid of the track bar, they do a custom steering
> system
> > > with it how ever Ive got Troy's steering so I did not need the one
> > > they make.
> > >
> > > Sharky
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > > 3 link front ???
> > > > Sharky, didn't you say that you got the new RK kit ??
> > > > How'd they get rid of the front trackbar ??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
> > > > > With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his welder can
> > > give
> > > > > and I sure dont want my front end falling out on me because Im
> > > sure
> > > > > that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-Flex
> LOL
> > > > > Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Sharky
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis" <luvrocks@c...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats smart
> > > LOL!!!
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the welding
> he
> > > did
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter
> > > Offroad.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > Sharky
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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87878 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:19am
Subject: Joe W TJ vs Toys by Troy TJ

Hi Joe,

I'm calling you out to have a friendly test. Kind of like the "Pepsi
Challenge" :D

Troy is willing to loan me his white TJ for the test. We can do a road test
of it and then compare that test drive to your TJ's performance. Troy has a
really nice obstacle course that we can run both Jeeps through after doing
the road test to evaluate offroad performance. Or we can take both out to
one of the local trails. This can be a public or private test, it's your
call on that.

What do you think? It will be fun. I don't want to change your opinion, just
allow you to develop a more informed opinion based on some hands on
experience with his setup. If you still think it's crap then fine, that's
your opinion. At least give yourself the opportunity to check it out. I
think this is a fair request. Who knows, maybe you'll even want to purchase
one of his kits ;)

It'll be one last fun Jeep thing for us to do before I leave for Montana in
September. Lets set a date for 2-3 weeks from now.

<Grin>

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:47 AM
To: sharxjeep; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

Hey now!

There is no correlation between welding on the frame and alumi-stress
steering... unless of course you happen to overheat the aluminum during the
welding process in which case it becomes EVEN more brittle, which could of
course cause it to fracture even easier which could lead to a failure at
high speed causing you to slam into a bus full of school children which
would then cause the demise of the entire bus load of children resulting in
the recall of all alumi-stress components ever installed and the resulting
bankruptcy of Toys By Troy and vindication of all my comments regarding the
risks of using aluminum in single point failure designs.. LOL Just joking
Sharky (okay... I'm not) :)

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his welder can give and I
sure dont want my front end falling out on me because Im sure
that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-Flex LOL
Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)

Sharky

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis" <luvrocks@c...> wrote:
> so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats smart LOL!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the welding he did
for
> > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter Offroad.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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87879 From: sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:29am
Subject: Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Ahh, ok, it's there regular front mounting.. I didn't know if their
new
> stretch kit was different in the front.
>
> I really call it a 4 link though ;)
> - 2 LCA's
> - 1 Upper (even though it sort of mounts to the same area as the
drivers
> side LCA, it's still a separate arm ;) ) radius arm (or torque
arm as
> they call it)
> - 1 track bar
>
> BTW, I have their rear tri-link (only) on my TJ, and so far it's
been
> great..
> Nice getting rid of the rear track bar.. No more wanting the squat
on the
> right rear, and lighten up the left front ;)
>
>
> :)
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:07 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> > 3 points of attachment...hense the 3 link LOL The 2 lower
> > control arms and a torque arm on the drivers side too a custom
weld
> > on bracket with the kit. The torque arm mounts to the lower arm
and
> > to the axle
> >
> > Sharky
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > Sharky, I'm still confused (or maybe more confused ;) )..
> > > How's it a 3 link and not a 4 link.
> > > How many axle attachments are there ??
> > >
> > >
> > > :)
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:51 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
> > >
> > >
> > > > They dont get rid of the track bar, they do a custom steering
> > system
> > > > with it how ever Ive got Troy's steering so I did not need
the one
> > > > they make.
> > > >
> > > > Sharky
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > > > 3 link front ???
> > > > > Sharky, didn't you say that you got the new RK kit ??
> > > > > How'd they get rid of the front trackbar ??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fred
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
> > > > > > With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his
welder can
> > > > give
> > > > > > and I sure dont want my front end falling out on me
because Im
> > > > sure
> > > > > > that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-
Flex
> > LOL
> > > > > > Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sharky
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis"
<luvrocks@c...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats
smart
> > > > LOL!!!
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > > > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the
welding
> > he
> > > > did
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter
> > > > Offroad.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > Sharky
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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87880 From: sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:31am
Subject: Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

I cant wait to get the rear done and see how it does, Id like to
check your system out though.

Sharky

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Ahh, ok, it's there regular front mounting.. I didn't know if their
new
> stretch kit was different in the front.
>
> I really call it a 4 link though ;)
> - 2 LCA's
> - 1 Upper (even though it sort of mounts to the same area as the
drivers
> side LCA, it's still a separate arm ;) ) radius arm (or torque
arm as
> they call it)
> - 1 track bar
>
> BTW, I have their rear tri-link (only) on my TJ, and so far it's
been
> great..
> Nice getting rid of the rear track bar.. No more wanting the squat
on the
> right rear, and lighten up the left front ;)
>
>
> :)
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:07 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> > 3 points of attachment...hense the 3 link LOL The 2 lower
> > control arms and a torque arm on the drivers side too a custom
weld
> > on bracket with the kit. The torque arm mounts to the lower arm
and
> > to the axle
> >
> > Sharky
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > Sharky, I'm still confused (or maybe more confused ;) )..
> > > How's it a 3 link and not a 4 link.
> > > How many axle attachments are there ??
> > >
> > >
> > > :)
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:51 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
> > >
> > >
> > > > They dont get rid of the track bar, they do a custom steering
> > system
> > > > with it how ever Ive got Troy's steering so I did not need
the one
> > > > they make.
> > > >
> > > > Sharky
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > > > > 3 link front ???
> > > > > Sharky, didn't you say that you got the new RK kit ??
> > > > > How'd they get rid of the front trackbar ??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fred
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
> > > > > > With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his
welder can
> > > > give
> > > > > > and I sure dont want my front end falling out on me
because Im
> > > > sure
> > > > > > that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-
Flex
> > LOL
> > > > > > Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sharky
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis"
<luvrocks@c...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats
smart
> > > > LOL!!!
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > > > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the
welding
> > he
> > > > did
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter
> > > > Offroad.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > Sharky
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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87881 From: sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:33am
Subject: Re: Joe W TJ vs Toys by Troy TJ

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> I'm calling you out to have a friendly test. Kind of like the "Pepsi
> Challenge" :D
>
> Troy is willing to loan me his white TJ for the test. We can do a
road test
> of it and then compare that test drive to your TJ's performance.
Troy has a
> really nice obstacle course that we can run both Jeeps through
after doing
> the road test to evaluate offroad performance. Or we can take both
out to
> one of the local trails. This can be a public or private test, it's
your
> call on that.
>
> What do you think? It will be fun. I don't want to change your
opinion, just
> allow you to develop a more informed opinion based on some hands on
> experience with his setup. If you still think it's crap then fine,
that's
> your opinion. At least give yourself the opportunity to check it
out. I
> think this is a fair request. Who knows, maybe you'll even want to
purchase
> one of his kits ;)
>
> It'll be one last fun Jeep thing for us to do before I leave for
Montana in
> September. Lets set a date for 2-3 weeks from now.
>
> <Grin>
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:47 AM
> To: sharxjeep; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> Hey now!
>
> There is no correlation between welding on the frame and alumi-
stress
> steering... unless of course you happen to overheat the aluminum
during the
> welding process in which case it becomes EVEN more brittle, which
could of
> course cause it to fracture even easier which could lead to a
failure at
> high speed causing you to slam into a bus full of school children
which
> would then cause the demise of the entire bus load of children
resulting in
> the recall of all alumi-stress components ever installed and the
resulting
> bankruptcy of Toys By Troy and vindication of all my comments
regarding the
> risks of using aluminum in single point failure designs.. LOL Just
joking
> Sharky (okay... I'm not) :)
>
> Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
> With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his welder can give
and I
> sure dont want my front end falling out on me because Im sure
> that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-Flex LOL
> Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)
>
> Sharky
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis" <luvrocks@c...> wrote:
> > so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats smart LOL!!!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
> >
> >
> > > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the welding he did
> for
> > > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter Offroad.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sharky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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87882 From: sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:33am
Subject: Re: Joe W TJ vs Toys by Troy TJ

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> I'm calling you out to have a friendly test. Kind of like the "Pepsi
> Challenge" :D
>
> Troy is willing to loan me his white TJ for the test. We can do a
road test
> of it and then compare that test drive to your TJ's performance.
Troy has a
> really nice obstacle course that we can run both Jeeps through
after doing
> the road test to evaluate offroad performance. Or we can take both
out to
> one of the local trails. This can be a public or private test, it's
your
> call on that.
>
> What do you think? It will be fun. I don't want to change your
opinion, just
> allow you to develop a more informed opinion based on some hands on
> experience with his setup. If you still think it's crap then fine,
that's
> your opinion. At least give yourself the opportunity to check it
out. I
> think this is a fair request. Who knows, maybe you'll even want to
purchase
> one of his kits ;)
>
> It'll be one last fun Jeep thing for us to do before I leave for
Montana in
> September. Lets set a date for 2-3 weeks from now.
>
> <Grin>
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:47 AM
> To: sharxjeep; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> Hey now!
>
> There is no correlation between welding on the frame and alumi-
stress
> steering... unless of course you happen to overheat the aluminum
during the
> welding process in which case it becomes EVEN more brittle, which
could of
> course cause it to fracture even easier which could lead to a
failure at
> high speed causing you to slam into a bus full of school children
which
> would then cause the demise of the entire bus load of children
resulting in
> the recall of all alumi-stress components ever installed and the
resulting
> bankruptcy of Toys By Troy and vindication of all my comments
regarding the
> risks of using aluminum in single point failure designs.. LOL Just
joking
> Sharky (okay... I'm not) :)
>
> Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
> With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his welder can give
and I
> sure dont want my front end falling out on me because Im sure
> that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-Flex LOL
> Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)
>
> Sharky
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis" <luvrocks@c...> wrote:
> > so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats smart LOL!!!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
> >
> >
> > > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the welding he did
> for
> > > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter Offroad.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sharky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > >
> > >
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>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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87883 From: sharxjeep <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:38am
Subject: Re: Joe W TJ vs Toys by Troy TJ

How did he get you on his payroll? I want to play too :)
You cant really run a long arm against a short arm in a test like
this, there is no comparison between the 2 and you know that from
having the RE long arm. There are tons of long arms kits to test with
why use a short arm?

Sharky

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> I'm calling you out to have a friendly test. Kind of like the "Pepsi
> Challenge" :D
>
> Troy is willing to loan me his white TJ for the test. We can do a
road test
> of it and then compare that test drive to your TJ's performance.
Troy has a
> really nice obstacle course that we can run both Jeeps through
after doing
> the road test to evaluate offroad performance. Or we can take both
out to
> one of the local trails. This can be a public or private test, it's
your
> call on that.
>
> What do you think? It will be fun. I don't want to change your
opinion, just
> allow you to develop a more informed opinion based on some hands on
> experience with his setup. If you still think it's crap then fine,
that's
> your opinion. At least give yourself the opportunity to check it
out. I
> think this is a fair request. Who knows, maybe you'll even want to
purchase
> one of his kits ;)
>
> It'll be one last fun Jeep thing for us to do before I leave for
Montana in
> September. Lets set a date for 2-3 weeks from now.
>
> <Grin>
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:47 AM
> To: sharxjeep; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> Hey now!
>
> There is no correlation between welding on the frame and alumi-
stress
> steering... unless of course you happen to overheat the aluminum
during the
> welding process in which case it becomes EVEN more brittle, which
could of
> course cause it to fracture even easier which could lead to a
failure at
> high speed causing you to slam into a bus full of school children
which
> would then cause the demise of the entire bus load of children
resulting in
> the recall of all alumi-stress components ever installed and the
resulting
> bankruptcy of Toys By Troy and vindication of all my comments
regarding the
> risks of using aluminum in single point failure designs.. LOL Just
joking
> Sharky (okay... I'm not) :)
>
> Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
> With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his welder can give
and I
> sure dont want my front end falling out on me because Im sure
> that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-Flex LOL
> Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)
>
> Sharky
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis" <luvrocks@c...> wrote:
> > so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats smart LOL!!!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
> >
> >
> > > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the welding he did
> for
> > > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter Offroad.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sharky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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87884 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:39am
Subject: RE track bar hardware needed

Hey folks..anyone got a trashed out TJ RE adjustable track bar laying
around? Specifically, I am looking for the mounting hardware..those two
little spacers and the sleeve that fits inside of the heim. Trade you
for a six pack of something cold to drink?

Stu

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

87885 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:40am
Subject: Re: RK kit was Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

Also Sharky...I recommend replacing the LCA mounting brackets with something
more beefy. I bought RKs skids and put them over my existing mounts. The
stock mounts tear off like tissue paper with the torque of the tri link in
full droop (the nice strong weld will be all that remains on the axle).
Jeremy has said that they are probably going to start including them with
the kits because this happens to EVERYONE with the kit. The other
recommendation I would have would be to weld the Long Arm mounts on the
frame as close as possible to the desired length needed to get your axle
position correct. My LA heims need about 6 to 8 threads showing on the heim
joint for the proper length. This has put too much stress on the heim and I
have bent several 3/4 heims. Since you are just setting it up now, you have
a good opportunity to correct a few things that Flexy and I broke the hard
way on our rigs. (IE: you are going to want to limit strap the center of
both of your axles, use a thin heim on the torque arm, scrap the RK shocks,
etc).
You can shoot me an email off list if you want.

HTH,

Frank
http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw

>From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
>Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:33:26 -0000
>
> You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
>With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his welder can give
>and I sure dont want my front end falling out on me because Im sure
>that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-Flex LOL
>Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)
>
>Sharky
>
>
>
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis" <luvrocks@c...> wrote:
> > so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats smart LOL!!!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
> >
> >
> > > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the welding he did
>for
> > > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter Offroad.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sharky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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87886 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:52am
Subject: RE: Joe W TJ vs Toys by Troy TJ

Hi Scott,

You don't need to change my opinion; Even though I Jest... I asked Stu last
week to put me in touch with Troy because I am interested in his control
arms. There would be some custom work involved since I can't use the RE
skid... but I am interested. While I would never use aluminum in a steering
setup; I see no problem with it in control arms since a complete failure of
a control arm is not likely to wreak as much havoc at high speeds... I've
driven with a control arm completely broken at 60mph and not had any issues.

I'm dying to get rid of my short arms... I just had 4 wheeler's weld up my
front upper control arm mounts on the frame ends, which were stressed
because of all my lift.

If Troy is interested in selling me a set... hopefully, he will get in touch
with me. I still haven't heard back from Stu with contact information.

Tell Troy to give me a call or shoot me an email.

Kind Regards,

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Joe West'; 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Joe W TJ vs Toys by Troy TJ

Hi Joe,

I'm calling you out to have a friendly test. Kind of like the "Pepsi
Challenge" :D

Troy is willing to loan me his white TJ for the test. We can do a road test
of it and then compare that test drive to your TJ's performance. Troy has a
really nice obstacle course that we can run both Jeeps through after doing
the road test to evaluate offroad performance. Or we can take both out to
one of the local trails. This can be a public or private test, it's your
call on that.

What do you think? It will be fun. I don't want to change your opinion, just
allow you to develop a more informed opinion based on some hands on
experience with his setup. If you still think it's crap then fine, that's
your opinion. At least give yourself the opportunity to check it out. I
think this is a fair request. Who knows, maybe you'll even want to purchase
one of his kits ;)

It'll be one last fun Jeep thing for us to do before I leave for Montana in
September. Lets set a date for 2-3 weeks from now.

<Grin>

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:47 AM
To: sharxjeep; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

Hey now!

There is no correlation between welding on the frame and alumi-stress
steering... unless of course you happen to overheat the aluminum during the
welding process in which case it becomes EVEN more brittle, which could of
course cause it to fracture even easier which could lead to a failure at
high speed causing you to slam into a bus full of school children which
would then cause the demise of the entire bus load of children resulting in
the recall of all alumi-stress components ever installed and the resulting
bankruptcy of Toys By Troy and vindication of all my comments regarding the
risks of using aluminum in single point failure designs.. LOL Just joking
Sharky (okay... I'm not) :)

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his welder can give and I
sure dont want my front end falling out on me because Im sure
that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-Flex LOL
Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)

Sharky

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis" <luvrocks@c...> wrote:
> so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats smart LOL!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the welding he did
for
> > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter Offroad.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >

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87887 From: Mark <fordlover49@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:59am
Subject: Re: Joe W TJ vs Toys by Troy TJ

Because Scott just wants to go wheeling again and regrets selling his
TJ. :P

-Mark B.

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...> wrote:
>
> How did he get you on his payroll? I want to play too :)
> You cant really run a long arm against a short arm in a test like
> this, there is no comparison between the 2 and you know that from
> having the RE long arm. There are tons of long arms kits to test
with
> why use a short arm?
>
> Sharky
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > I'm calling you out to have a friendly test. Kind of like
the "Pepsi
> > Challenge" :D
> >
> > Troy is willing to loan me his white TJ for the test. We can do a
> road test
> > of it and then compare that test drive to your TJ's performance.
> Troy has a
> > really nice obstacle course that we can run both Jeeps through
> after doing
> > the road test to evaluate offroad performance. Or we can take
both
> out to
> > one of the local trails. This can be a public or private test,
it's
> your
> > call on that.
> >
> > What do you think? It will be fun. I don't want to change your
> opinion, just
> > allow you to develop a more informed opinion based on some hands
on
> > experience with his setup. If you still think it's crap then
fine,
> that's
> > your opinion. At least give yourself the opportunity to check it
> out. I
> > think this is a fair request. Who knows, maybe you'll even want
to
> purchase
> > one of his kits ;)
> >
> > It'll be one last fun Jeep thing for us to do before I leave for
> Montana in
> > September. Lets set a date for 2-3 weeks from now.
> >
> > <Grin>
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:47 AM
> > To: sharxjeep; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
> >
> >
> > Hey now!
> >
> > There is no correlation between welding on the frame and alumi-
> stress
> > steering... unless of course you happen to overheat the aluminum
> during the
> > welding process in which case it becomes EVEN more brittle, which
> could of
> > course cause it to fracture even easier which could lead to a
> failure at
> > high speed causing you to slam into a bus full of school children
> which
> > would then cause the demise of the entire bus load of children
> resulting in
> > the recall of all alumi-stress components ever installed and the
> resulting
> > bankruptcy of Toys By Troy and vindication of all my comments
> regarding the
> > risks of using aluminum in single point failure designs.. LOL
Just
> joking
> > Sharky (okay... I'm not) :)
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman
> >
> >
> > You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
> > With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his welder can
give
> and I
> > sure dont want my front end falling out on me because Im sure
> > that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-Flex LOL
> > Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)
> >
> > Sharky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis" <luvrocks@c...>
wrote:
> > > so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats smart
LOL!!!
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
> > >
> > >
> > > > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the welding he
did
> > for
> > > > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter
Offroad.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Sharky
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
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87888 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:06am
Subject: RE: RE: Joe W TJ vs Toys by Troy TJ

Joe....I responded to your e-mail that said to call him at the number on
the web site. So that you can't make any more excuses for not
contacting Troy, the number is: Phoenix, AZ (602) 547-8697

OK....now pick up the phone and call him! ;>)

Stu

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:52 AM
To: Scott Kruize; 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] RE: Joe W TJ vs Toys by Troy TJ

Hi Scott,

You don't need to change my opinion; Even though I Jest... I asked Stu
last
week to put me in touch with Troy because I am interested in his control
arms. There would be some custom work involved since I can't use the RE
skid... but I am interested. While I would never use aluminum in a
steering
setup; I see no problem with it in control arms since a complete failure
of
a control arm is not likely to wreak as much havoc at high speeds...
I've
driven with a control arm completely broken at 60mph and not had any
issues.

I'm dying to get rid of my short arms... I just had 4 wheeler's weld up
my
front upper control arm mounts on the frame ends, which were stressed
because of all my lift.

If Troy is interested in selling me a set... hopefully, he will get in
touch
with me. I still haven't heard back from Stu with contact information.

Tell Troy to give me a call or shoot me an email.

Kind Regards,

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Joe West'; 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Joe W TJ vs Toys by Troy TJ

Hi Joe,

I'm calling you out to have a friendly test. Kind of like the "Pepsi
Challenge" :D

Troy is willing to loan me his white TJ for the test. We can do a road
test
of it and then compare that test drive to your TJ's performance. Troy
has a
really nice obstacle course that we can run both Jeeps through after
doing
the road test to evaluate offroad performance. Or we can take both out
to
one of the local trails. This can be a public or private test, it's your
call on that.

What do you think? It will be fun. I don't want to change your opinion,
just
allow you to develop a more informed opinion based on some hands on
experience with his setup. If you still think it's crap then fine,
that's
your opinion. At least give yourself the opportunity to check it out. I
think this is a fair request. Who knows, maybe you'll even want to
purchase
one of his kits ;)

It'll be one last fun Jeep thing for us to do before I leave for Montana
in
September. Lets set a date for 2-3 weeks from now.

<Grin>

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:47 AM
To: sharxjeep; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

Hey now!

There is no correlation between welding on the frame and alumi-stress
steering... unless of course you happen to overheat the aluminum during
the
welding process in which case it becomes EVEN more brittle, which could
of
course cause it to fracture even easier which could lead to a failure at
high speed causing you to slam into a bus full of school children which
would then cause the demise of the entire bus load of children resulting
in
the recall of all alumi-stress components ever installed and the
resulting
bankruptcy of Toys By Troy and vindication of all my comments regarding
the
risks of using aluminum in single point failure designs.. LOL Just
joking
Sharky (okay... I'm not) :)

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:33 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks to Rick Norman

You've seen him weld Randy...do ya blame me! LOL
With the 3 link front I need a hotter weld than his welder can give and
I
sure dont want my front end falling out on me because Im sure
that Joe West would find a way to blame it on my Alumi-Flex LOL
Just joking Joe (ok...Im not) :)

Sharky

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Davis" <luvrocks@c...> wrote:
> so your going to have john go over ricks welds,thats smart LOL!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sharxjeep" <sharxjeep@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:00 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks to Rick Norman
>
>
> > A big thank you going out to Rick Norman for the welding he did
for
> > me Sun. The rest will ber finished this week at Hunter Offroad.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharky
> >
> >
> >
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
> >

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87889 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:10am
Subject: RE: Rain

I spit into the wind and it felt like rain!!! Does that count!????

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:19 PM
To: 'Wade Ungaro'; 'blackxj2000'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Rain

Wade,

Did you get all of you front end problems worked out?

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Wade Ungaro [mailto:swaders7@y...]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:14 PM
To: blackxj2000; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Rain

Raining here in Gilbert as well and a little at home in Mesa.

~Wade

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87890 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:17am
Subject: [TR] Turkey Creek - Saturday, August 16, 2003

Hello All,Joey Kulich is leading a Turkey Creek trail run on Saturday, August 16, 2003. When: 7:00 AM
Where: Bumble Bee exit at the pavements end
Rating: 3.0+
Length: 3 hours to Cleater
CB Channel: 4

As an alternate trail to Crown King. 
 
I am requiring at least 31" tires for this trail. Anything above that is better. 
 
This trail starts near Bumble Bee and ends in Cleater. It may take about 3 or 4 hours to get to Cleater then a short trip from there to Crown King. 
 
Please bring plenty of water, a camera and your intellegence. :) 
 
Joey K 
93YJ

The Turkey Creek Trail runs up the Black Canyon from Bumble Bee to Cleator. After turning left off the main road onto FR 684, the trail will split to go down into the canyon, and then meet back up at the bottom. Either way will get you down, neither are very tough.

Once down to the bottom, take a hard right up and drive up the sandy wash. Keep an eye out for a trail that leads off from the left. If you get to a wide area where the wash splits, you've gone too far. The trail runs between tight brush on each side, there is a gate that you'll have to go through not to far along. As with all gates, if it's open when you find it leave it open; if it's closed then make sure you close it after you pass through.

The trail at this point winds its way up the wash, in many places the trail has all but disappeared. There will be rocky areas to play on along the way. If the river is running, you'll want to make sure you have a winch along, as there are boulders and quick sand hiding, waiting to bite a Jeep.

Keep following the wash up, eventually the road will become more apparent. The trail takes a steep climb out to the top of a ridge, then drops off the other side. You will come to a Y intersection, you may go either way. The left branch climbs another ridge and then drops you back into the wash on the other side.

The right branch takes you through an old hermit's mining claim. The trail on the right branch almost completly disappears; pick your way through carefully you'll find rocky flat areas with no brush on them, this is the trail. After passing around the corner from the Hermit's cabin, you'll see where the trail used to go across a bend in the wash; now that is pretty much impassable. You can continue up the wash and around the corner. If the water is running, this may be extremely hazardous.

After the bend, the two trails combine again. The trail is much more visible now, there will be a few places where the trail splits, take the most travelled looking trail. Go SLOW one of these side trails (the old trail) has about a four foot angled drop off as you come around a blind curve.

The further you go, the more apparent the trail is. At the joining of Poland Creek and Turkey Creek, the trail leaves the bottom of the canyon and heads across the hills to Cleator. Overall, with a small group of Jeeps, this trail can be done between 4 - 6 hours when dry depending on how much site seeing you do. If it is really wet, this can be a weekend trip. One note of caution, this trail runs almost entirely through active mining claims; do NOT stop and start digging around.

Remember to bring water, lunch (and more if it's wet), and don't forget your camera.

Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!

http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=957
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87891 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:22am
Subject: Stu, photo request

Stu,
If you get a chance sometime, could you take a photo or two of your
front UCA's at the axle mounts and post 'em up. ??

Best,
Fred

87892 From: Scott Tate <scott@f...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:34am
Subject: Corvette Water Pump in my Jeep

Guys,
yeah, Scott Tate here again. I'm becomming a regular pain! :) LOL.
In any event, I just bought a new custom aluminum radiator from Ron
Davis last week. I also bought a new water pump, thermostat, etc for my
1994 LT1 in my 1990 Wrangler. Now, the system worked adequately before
with the steel radiator. It just got a little hot when I went wheeling.
So, I bought this radiator in preparation for an air conditioner. I
mounted the radiator after properly mounting the new water pump (yes
it's the correct pump). Upon taking it for a drive, the car heats up
out of control immediately! However, when I stop, the SPAL fan does
cool it back down to 180 (which is what my thermostat is). It almost
seems like the water pump isn't pumping. Now, I'm not really sure what
to do. No one seems to know if there is a true test for this water
pump. Since it is a reverse flow system, you can't use the old trick of
leaving the radiator cap off and watching the flow serge through when
the thermostat opens. In any event, it just kind of seems like this is
what you might expect to see if a water pump were not pumping. I need
to make sure of that before I call Ron Davis back. Also, if anyone has
any spare time, I would greatly appreciate a bit of help. I'm moving
out of my townhouse next week and have to get the Jeep driving by then!
Ouch!
Any ideas?
Scott Tate

FYI, the jeep:

1990 Wrangler
1994 LT1 VIN P engine
New water pump and 180 degree thermostat
New Ron Davis custom aluminum radiator

and, the system worked fine before I put the new pump and radiator in
there!
__________________________________________________ _____________
Forion Technology Development, LLC
AZ Office: 480-348-5800
Cell: 480-797-7595
LA Office: 818-515-6011
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87893 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:40am
Subject: RE: Rain

Only if it gets in your eye. ;)

Joey K
93YJ

-----Original Message-----
From: OneBdJeep [mailto:onebdjeep@c...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 11:10 AM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Wade Ungaro'; 'blackxj2000'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Rain

I spit into the wind and it felt like rain!!! Does that count!????

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:19 PM
To: 'Wade Ungaro'; 'blackxj2000'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Rain

Wade,

Did you get all of you front end problems worked out?

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Wade Ungaro [mailto:swaders7@y...]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:14 PM
To: blackxj2000; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Rain

Raining here in Gilbert as well and a little at home in Mesa.

~Wade

blackxj2000 <mark_cur@c...> wrote:
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87894 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 0:05pm
Subject: [TR] Rubicon - Thursday, July 24, 2003 - Reminder

Hello All,Jason LaLiberty is leading a Rubicon trail run on Thursday, July 24, 2003. When: Leaving Bright and Early Thursday Morning.
Where: Going to the Jeepers Jamboree
Rating: 4.0+
Length: 5 days
CB Channel:

Leaving Thursday. 3 day Jeepers Jamboree is starting Friday through Sunday. Leaving for Phoenix Sunday afternoon. 
 
Here are the details for the jamboree 
 
http://www.jeepersjamboree.com

<a href=" http://www.rubicon-trail.com/Rubicon/index.html" target="_blank">Click here for more info.</a>

http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=940
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Thank You,

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87895 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 0:09pm
Subject: Re: Corvette Water Pump in my Jeep

I am supposing you already checked to make the thermostat is in the
right way, correct? You didn't change that after the new water pump
was installed.

--James

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Tate" <scott@f...> wrote:
> Guys,
> yeah, Scott Tate here again. I'm becomming a regular pain! :)
LOL.
> In any event, I just bought a new custom aluminum radiator from Ron
> Davis last week. I also bought a new water pump, thermostat, etc
for my
> 1994 LT1 in my 1990 Wrangler. Now, the system worked adequately
before
> with the steel radiator. It just got a little hot when I went
wheeling.
> So, I bought this radiator in preparation for an air conditioner. I
> mounted the radiator after properly mounting the new water pump
(yes
> it's the correct pump). Upon taking it for a drive, the car heats
up
> out of control immediately! However, when I stop, the SPAL fan
does
> cool it back down to 180 (which is what my thermostat is). It
almost
> seems like the water pump isn't pumping. Now, I'm not really sure
what
> to do. No one seems to know if there is a true test for this water
> pump. Since it is a reverse flow system, you can't use the old
trick of
> leaving the radiator cap off and watching the flow serge through
when
> the thermostat opens. In any event, it just kind of seems like
this is
> what you might expect to see if a water pump were not pumping. I
need
> to make sure of that before I call Ron Davis back. Also, if
anyone has
> any spare time, I would greatly appreciate a bit of help. I'm
moving
> out of my townhouse next week and have to get the Jeep driving by
then!
> Ouch!
> Any ideas?
> Scott Tate
>
>
> FYI, the jeep:
>
> 1990 Wrangler
> 1994 LT1 VIN P engine
> New water pump and 180 degree thermostat
> New Ron Davis custom aluminum radiator
>
> and, the system worked fine before I put the new pump and radiator
in
> there!
> __________________________________________________ _____________
> Forion Technology Development, LLC
> AZ Office: 480-348-5800
> Cell: 480-797-7595
> LA Office: 818-515-6011
> scott@f...
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

87896 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 0:18pm
Subject: RE: Rain

It didn't get in my eye... but the officer who pulled me over... well he
was not too happy! He started yelling something about assault and gave
me some shiny heavy duty bracelets made of some nice silver material. He
was sure worked up over something; I think he must have some marital
problems. I tried to talk it over with him but it is hard to negotiate
monetarily when a madman has his weapon drawn. I think he thought he was
a tuff guy or whatever.

Dang, is my imagination working too much or what... I was asleep when
the storm hit!

That was one helluva light show last night. It woke me from a deep sleep
(2 beers is all it took!!!) and the dogs were goin nutz and the kidz
woke up and I had no idea what was happening. I found myself reaching
for my pistol and then realizing... its just lightening you stupid head.

One good thing about this time of year, nature gets very entertaining.

Sorry for being long winded... just bored.

-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 11:41 AM
To: 'OneBdJeep'; 'Scott Kruize'; 'Wade Ungaro'; 'blackxj2000';
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Rain

Only if it gets in your eye. ;)

Joey K
93YJ

-----Original Message-----
From: OneBdJeep [mailto:onebdjeep@c...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 11:10 AM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Wade Ungaro'; 'blackxj2000'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Rain

I spit into the wind and it felt like rain!!! Does that count!????

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:19 PM
To: 'Wade Ungaro'; 'blackxj2000'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Rain

Wade,

Did you get all of you front end problems worked out?

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Wade Ungaro [mailto:swaders7@y...]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:14 PM
To: blackxj2000; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Rain

Raining here in Gilbert as well and a little at home in Mesa.

~Wade

blackxj2000 <mark_cur@c...> wrote:
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87897 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 0:48pm
Subject: RE: Re: Corvette Water Pump in my Jeep

I have no idea... sorry.

--James

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Tate [mailto:scott@f...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'jetowle2000'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Corvette Water Pump in my Jeep

Just because the system is reversed, it still goes in with the arch side
up right?

-----Original Message-----
From: jetowle2000 [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:09 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Corvette Water Pump in my Jeep

I am supposing you already checked to make the thermostat is in the
right way, correct? You didn't change that after the new water pump
was installed.

--James

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Tate" <scott@f...> wrote:
> Guys,
> yeah, Scott Tate here again. I'm becomming a regular pain! :)
LOL.
> In any event, I just bought a new custom aluminum radiator from Ron
> Davis last week. I also bought a new water pump, thermostat, etc
for my
> 1994 LT1 in my 1990 Wrangler. Now, the system worked adequately
before
> with the steel radiator. It just got a little hot when I went
wheeling.
> So, I bought this radiator in preparation for an air conditioner. I
> mounted the radiator after properly mounting the new water pump
(yes
> it's the correct pump). Upon taking it for a drive, the car heats
up
> out of control immediately! However, when I stop, the SPAL fan
does
> cool it back down to 180 (which is what my thermostat is). It
almost
> seems like the water pump isn't pumping. Now, I'm not really sure
what
> to do. No one seems to know if there is a true test for this water
> pump. Since it is a reverse flow system, you can't use the old
trick of
> leaving the radiator cap off and watching the flow serge through
when
> the thermostat opens. In any event, it just kind of seems like
this is
> what you might expect to see if a water pump were not pumping. I
need
> to make sure of that before I call Ron Davis back. Also, if
anyone has
> any spare time, I would greatly appreciate a bit of help. I'm
moving
> out of my townhouse next week and have to get the Jeep driving by
then!
> Ouch!
> Any ideas?
> Scott Tate
>
>
> FYI, the jeep:
>
> 1990 Wrangler
> 1994 LT1 VIN P engine
> New water pump and 180 degree thermostat
> New Ron Davis custom aluminum radiator
>
> and, the system worked fine before I put the new pump and radiator
in
> there! __________________________________________________ _____________
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> AZ Office: 480-348-5800
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>
>
>
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87898 From: Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 0:50pm
Subject: Re: Rain

You live in Chandler huh? LOL

Phil
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "OneBdJeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> It didn't get in my eye... but the officer who pulled me over...
well he
> was not too happy! He started yelling something about assault and
gave
> me some shiny heavy duty bracelets made of some nice silver
material. He
> was sure worked up over something; I think he must have some marital
> problems. I tried to talk it over with him but it is hard to
negotiate
> monetarily when a madman has his weapon drawn. I think he thought
he was
> a tuff guy or whatever.
>
> Dang, is my imagination working too much or what... I was asleep
when
> the storm hit!
>
> That was one helluva light show last night. It woke me from a deep
sleep
> (2 beers is all it took!!!) and the dogs were goin nutz and the kidz
> woke up and I had no idea what was happening. I found myself
reaching
> for my pistol and then realizing... its just lightening you stupid
head.
>
> One good thing about this time of year, nature gets very
entertaining.
>
> Sorry for being long winded... just bored.
>