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87572 From: james kilcullen <whoozey1953@y...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 0:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: clutch fan thermostat install****Now continued with Water pump

I learned a long time ago not to buy Checker crap...they ALWAYS get it wrong. Look on the bright side, you will know how to do the job in a year when that pump fails.

xxnickthedickxx <squarelights@h...> wrote:Drove over to parents house in east mesa wanting to see if it was
running cool after the change out...nope. The only thing left was
the water pump. took everything off again got the water pump out
picked one up at checker for a 94 zj 4.0. had to go back and get new
studs for water pump. got it all back in and ready to put the pully
on. it turns out the studs dont match up to the pully or clutch
fan. Freaken A. Now I had to have dad take me home because lazy
brother wouldnt get off the couch, it is now 12:00 am. I am going to
raise hell at checker tomorrow.

nick l.

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "xxnickthedickxx"
wrote:
> finished it. now i will see if that is the problem
>
> nick l.
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "xxnickthedickxx"

> wrote:
> > hey all i have just had my rad. changed out because it was
leaking,
> > and it still over heats. so i bought a new clutch fan and
> > thermostat. now i just need some steps on how to do it. i've
> tried
> > to find sites with no luck. if anyone has done it could you
please
> > just throw me some tips/tricks on how to do it. its a 94 zj I6.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > nick l.

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87573 From: Mike Golden <mgolden@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: clutch fan thermostat install****Now continued with Water pump

Nah, the trick is to find the part yourself on their web site (
Partsamerica.com ) and select the option to pick it up at your local
store. Odds are you know more about your vehicle than the droid behind
the counter. Another benefit of this trick is that you don't have to
pay sales tax!

And as long as you buy a name brand part from Checker, I don't think
there's any problem. If you feel better spending more money, by all
means, go to the dealer. :-)

-Mike

james kilcullen wrote:
> I learned a long time ago not to buy Checker crap...they ALWAYS get it wrong. Look on the bright side, you will know how to do the job in a year when that pump fails.
>
> xxnickthedickxx <squarelights@h...> wrote:Drove over to parents house in east mesa wanting to see if it was
> running cool after the change out...nope. The only thing left was
> the water pump. took everything off again got the water pump out
> picked one up at checker for a 94 zj 4.0. had to go back and get new
> studs for water pump. got it all back in and ready to put the pully
> on. it turns out the studs dont match up to the pully or clutch
> fan. Freaken A. Now I had to have dad take me home because lazy
> brother wouldnt get off the couch, it is now 12:00 am. I am going to
> raise hell at checker tomorrow.
>
> nick l.
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "xxnickthedickxx"
> wrote:
>
>>finished it. now i will see if that is the problem
>>
>>nick l.
>>
>>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "xxnickthedickxx"
>
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>hey all i have just had my rad. changed out because it was
>>
> leaking,
>
>>>and it still over heats. so i bought a new clutch fan and
>>>thermostat. now i just need some steps on how to do it. i've
>>
>>tried
>>
>>>to find sites with no luck. if anyone has done it could you
>>
> please
>
>>>just throw me some tips/tricks on how to do it. its a 94 zj I6.
>>>
>>>thanks,
>>>
>>>nick l.
>>
>
>
>
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87574 From: Jason Blank <rockrdr@h...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:24pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3790

Where were you march 18th last year? I was at the Land rights meeting for
keeping box canyon open....
Just cuz your lame and don't know how to use a computer doesn't mean I'm not
a member...
give it up...... an apology has been said, I speak the truth.
think what you want, I don't care, I'm not trying to impress anyone...

Don't you have anything better to do? Is this a giant soap opera for you ?
I'd rather be outside, than living on my computer, and saying other people
are wrong, which in fact you don't know sh_t!

Jason

Message: 6
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:11:59 EDT
From: chaton602phx@a...
Subject: Re: Fw: 4 wheelers supply get a grip Jason

This "Jason blank" isn't even on the VJC member list. He E-mailed me and
said
he's been with the club for a year and a half.

anthony c

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87575 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:38pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 3790

You ALL need to drop the attitudes and get on with life......... We all
have our personal likes and dislikes; our 4x4 shop preferences; ups and
downs; good and bad; extreme wheelers or stock wheelers; ............. the
list could go on but the bottom line is: we are ALL on this list for the
same reason...... OUR SPORT.

We MUST join together to retain our rights and lands for our use...........
everyone must do their fair share or whatever they can do. That's all that
counts.

No apologies are needed but neither are ugly slams against our fellow
recreationists........... before we all go off on a "flame war" think about
how this looks to those "on the other side"........... they LOVE it. They
would love nothing better than to blow motorized recreation apart.

Hang in there.......... we're gaining momentum and we need ALL of you to
continue!

Sandee

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Blank [mailto:rockrdr@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:25 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: chaton602phx@a...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Digest Number 3790
>
>
> Where were you march 18th last year? I was at the Land rights meeting for
> keeping box canyon open....
> Just cuz your lame and don't know how to use a computer doesn't
> mean I'm not
> a member...
> give it up...... an apology has been said, I speak the truth.
> think what you want, I don't care, I'm not trying to impress anyone...
>
> Don't you have anything better to do? Is this a giant soap opera
> for you ?
> I'd rather be outside, than living on my computer, and saying
> other people
> are wrong, which in fact you don't know sh_t!
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:11:59 EDT
> From: chaton602phx@a...
> Subject: Re: Fw: 4 wheelers supply get a grip Jason
>
> This "Jason blank" isn't even on the VJC member list. He E-mailed me and
> said
> he's been with the club for a year and a half.
>
> anthony c
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87576 From: james kilcullen <whoozey1953@y...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:35pm
Subject: Re: Re: clutch fan thermostat install****Now continued with Water pump

I have found NAPA to have the most reliable parts. I, like all of you, will go to the stealership only as a last resort.

Mike Golden <mgolden@c...> wrote:Nah, the trick is to find the part yourself on their web site (
Partsamerica.com ) and select the option to pick it up at your local
store. Odds are you know more about your vehicle than the droid behind
the counter. Another benefit of this trick is that you don't have to
pay sales tax!

And as long as you buy a name brand part from Checker, I don't think
there's any problem. If you feel better spending more money, by all
means, go to the dealer. :-)

-Mike

james kilcullen wrote:
> I learned a long time ago not to buy Checker crap...they ALWAYS get it wrong. Look on the bright side, you will know how to do the job in a year when that pump fails.
>
> xxnickthedickxx wrote:Drove over to parents house in east mesa wanting to see if it was
> running cool after the change out...nope. The only thing left was
> the water pump. took everything off again got the water pump out
> picked one up at checker for a 94 zj 4.0. had to go back and get new
> studs for water pump. got it all back in and ready to put the pully
> on. it turns out the studs dont match up to the pully or clutch
> fan. Freaken A. Now I had to have dad take me home because lazy
> brother wouldnt get off the couch, it is now 12:00 am. I am going to
> raise hell at checker tomorrow.
>
> nick l.
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "xxnickthedickxx"
> wrote:
>
>>finished it. now i will see if that is the problem
>>
>>nick l.
>>
>>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "xxnickthedickxx"
>
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>hey all i have just had my rad. changed out because it was
>>
> leaking,
>
>>>and it still over heats. so i bought a new clutch fan and
>>>thermostat. now i just need some steps on how to do it. i've
>>
>>tried
>>
>>>to find sites with no luck. if anyone has done it could you
>>
> please
>
>>>just throw me some tips/tricks on how to do it. its a 94 zj I6.
>>>
>>>thanks,
>>>
>>>nick l.
>>
>
>
>
>
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87577 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:45pm
Subject: RE: 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]

Linda,

Those are true 10" coils. Troy says with the additional weight most of the
trail rigs carry they settle in to about 8" net lift. I saw no indication of
these coils bowing. Stu will have a set on his TJ. The ride is remarkable
with those coils and Troys long arms and steering. I used to think the RE
long arm I had on my (now sold) Jeep was sweet but Troys setup takes it to a
whole new level. If you are curious stop by his shop, I'm 100% sure he'd let
you test drive it.

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda [mailto:minihummer@w...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:09 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]

Scott,

Are those 10" coils just plain suspension coils? Coil-over shocks? Or
MacPherson struts? Just curious.

I was at the edge of the 4:1 rule with 6" coils on the ZJ. The 6"
coils were 22" long, 4" dia (working from memory), 140-150#/in
compression. These were custom made coils, not off-the-shelf. The
spring diameter could not be increased. The 4:1 rule is if the length
is more than 4x the diameter, the spring will start bowing. Those
springs gave the ZJ a great ride and incredible axle articulation.

Linda
54 wagon

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Toys by Troy really has the best suspension out there that I have
driven. I
> was over there yesterday with Stu (his Jeep should be done getting
the setup
> today) and test drove Troys white TJ. It had 37's & 10" coils. It
rode and
> handled much better than my 5.5" RE long arm kit did. The steering
on his
> kit is absolutely amazing. In my opinion there is no better setup
available
> nor is there a setup that is more complete or better engineered. It
may seem
> expensive but if you start pricing out different kits that also
include a
> total steering solution I think you'll see that his prices are
fair. If I
> were to ever buy another TJ I wouldn't hesitate to have Troy put
his kit on
> it. Obviously you don't have to run 10" coils :D
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:53 AM
> To: GIThunder81@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] New Member lots of questions
>
>
>
> I'd definitely recommend a Long Arm kit. The RK kit is tri-link.
Which
> amounts to lots and lots of flex via droop. Its what I run on my
XJ. The XJ
> and TJ front end kits are identical. I like it. The kit handles
excellent on
>
> the trail (even better than it ramps due to the droop factor). The
company
> itself is smaller and more personal. They stand behind their
products.
> Believe it or not, the owner actually met me out on the trail in
Moab when I
>
> had a suspension failure to help me out. There are some things to
consider
> with the tri link set up (not all of them are positive), you are
welcome to
> come look at mine anytime you like. heres a few pics of the front
end
> working (the pictures are an 8 inch kit on both XJ's)
>
> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=731
> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=686
> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=703
> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=795
>
> If I had a TJ, and wasnt going with an RK kit, I think I would go
with the
>
> Rubicon Express long arm kit. A friend of mine that I have wheeled
with lots
>
> of times runs the RE LA kit and I am impressed with the way the kit
handles.
>
> Just my opinion.... :)
>
> Frank
> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "githunder81" <GIThunder81@c...>
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] New Member lots of questions
> >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:10:04 -0000
> >
> >I own a 97 TJ with detroit locker in the rear and a ARB locker in
the
> >front and a teraflex 4in Lift. I do have a few questions. I am
running
> >35's with no rubbing really but I am looking to buy a new lift
kit. I
> >saw the rockkrawler kit and it is a 5.5" lift w/ Long arm......
Was
> >wondering if anyone else has heard of or had experience with them?
I
> >was gonn go 7 in buit I thought I would start smaller first. cause
I
> >can always buy the 7in springs later on casue both the kits are
the
> >same. I have the tereflex kit now with the EZ Flex arms and since
I
> >have the locker the whoel backend seems to wanna drive under the
jeep,
> >I was told that this would correct m y problem. I was hoping that
one
> >of you could hook up with me sometime and tell me waht other
purchases
> >I should make as well I was looking into CV drive shafts and such
for
> >the vibration let me know....
> >
> >
> > Kevin
> >-I got lots of questions
> >
> >
> >
> >
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87578 From: b h <xjnation@y...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: clutch fan thermostat install****Now continued with Water pump

I will say one thing....I ahve installed many
aftermarket brand name chrylser and jeep in teh tank
fuel pumps.....adn none have worked over a year...buy
teh genuine part....thye work much better

--- james kilcullen <whoozey1953@y...> wrote:
> I have found NAPA to have the most reliable parts.
> I, like all of you, will go to the stealership only
> as a last resort.
>
> Mike Golden <mgolden@c...> wrote:Nah, the
> trick is to find the part yourself on their web site
> (
> Partsamerica.com ) and select the option to pick it
> up at your local
> store. Odds are you know more about your vehicle
> than the droid behind
> the counter. Another benefit of this trick is that
> you don't have to
> pay sales tax!
>
> And as long as you buy a name brand part from
> Checker, I don't think
> there's any problem. If you feel better spending
> more money, by all
> means, go to the dealer. :-)
>
> -Mike
>
> james kilcullen wrote:
> > I learned a long time ago not to buy Checker
> crap...they ALWAYS get it wrong. Look on the bright
> side, you will know how to do the job in a year when
> that pump fails.
> >
> > xxnickthedickxx wrote:Drove over to parents house
> in east mesa wanting to see if it was
> > running cool after the change out...nope. The only
> thing left was
> > the water pump. took everything off again got the
> water pump out
> > picked one up at checker for a 94 zj 4.0. had to
> go back and get new
> > studs for water pump. got it all back in and ready
> to put the pully
> > on. it turns out the studs dont match up to the
> pully or clutch
> > fan. Freaken A. Now I had to have dad take me home
> because lazy
> > brother wouldnt get off the couch, it is now 12:00
> am. I am going to
> > raise hell at checker tomorrow.
> >
> > nick l.
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "xxnickthedickxx"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>finished it. now i will see if that is the problem
> >>
> >>nick l.
> >>
> >>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "xxnickthedickxx"
> >
> >
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>hey all i have just had my rad. changed out
> because it was
> >>
> > leaking,
> >
> >>>and it still over heats. so i bought a new clutch
> fan and
> >>>thermostat. now i just need some steps on how to
> do it. i've
> >>
> >>tried
> >>
> >>>to find sites with no luck. if anyone has done it
> could you
> >>
> > please
> >
> >>>just throw me some tips/tricks on how to do it.
> its a 94 zj I6.
> >>>
> >>>thanks,
> >>>
> >>>nick l.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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87579 From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:51pm
Subject: 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]

Too bad he is on the opposite side of town. After driving to ASU-West
for a summer school class, I don't have much desire to go that way
for a while! The suspension; however, would be interesting to see.

Linda

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Linda,
>
> Those are true 10" coils. Troy says with the additional weight most
of the
> trail rigs carry they settle in to about 8" net lift. I saw no
indication of
> these coils bowing. Stu will have a set on his TJ. The ride is
remarkable
> with those coils and Troys long arms and steering. I used to think
the RE
> long arm I had on my (now sold) Jeep was sweet but Troys setup
takes it to a
> whole new level. If you are curious stop by his shop, I'm 100% sure
he'd let
> you test drive it.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda [mailto:minihummer@w...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]
>
>
> Scott,
>
> Are those 10" coils just plain suspension coils? Coil-over shocks?
Or
> MacPherson struts? Just curious.
>
> I was at the edge of the 4:1 rule with 6" coils on the ZJ. The 6"
> coils were 22" long, 4" dia (working from memory), 140-150#/in
> compression. These were custom made coils, not off-the-shelf. The
> spring diameter could not be increased. The 4:1 rule is if the
length
> is more than 4x the diameter, the spring will start bowing. Those
> springs gave the ZJ a great ride and incredible axle articulation.
>
> Linda
> 54 wagon
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Toys by Troy really has the best suspension out there that I have
> driven. I
> > was over there yesterday with Stu (his Jeep should be done getting
> the setup
> > today) and test drove Troys white TJ. It had 37's & 10" coils. It
> rode and
> > handled much better than my 5.5" RE long arm kit did. The steering
> on his
> > kit is absolutely amazing. In my opinion there is no better setup
> available
> > nor is there a setup that is more complete or better engineered.
It
> may seem
> > expensive but if you start pricing out different kits that also
> include a
> > total steering solution I think you'll see that his prices are
> fair. If I
> > were to ever buy another TJ I wouldn't hesitate to have Troy put
> his kit on
> > it. Obviously you don't have to run 10" coils :D
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:53 AM
> > To: GIThunder81@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] New Member lots of questions
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd definitely recommend a Long Arm kit. The RK kit is tri-link.
> Which
> > amounts to lots and lots of flex via droop. Its what I run on my
> XJ. The XJ
> > and TJ front end kits are identical. I like it. The kit handles
> excellent on
> >
> > the trail (even better than it ramps due to the droop factor). The
> company
> > itself is smaller and more personal. They stand behind their
> products.
> > Believe it or not, the owner actually met me out on the trail in
> Moab when I
> >
> > had a suspension failure to help me out. There are some things to
> consider
> > with the tri link set up (not all of them are positive), you are
> welcome to
> > come look at mine anytime you like. heres a few pics of the front
> end
> > working (the pictures are an 8 inch kit on both XJ's)
> >
> > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=731
> > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=686
> > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=703
> > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=795
> >
> > If I had a TJ, and wasnt going with an RK kit, I think I would
go
> with the
> >
> > Rubicon Express long arm kit. A friend of mine that I have wheeled
> with lots
> >
> > of times runs the RE LA kit and I am impressed with the way the
kit
> handles.
> >
> > Just my opinion.... :)
> >
> > Frank
> > http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "githunder81" <GIThunder81@c...>
> > >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [az_vjc] New Member lots of questions
> > >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:10:04 -0000
> > >
> > >I own a 97 TJ with detroit locker in the rear and a ARB locker in
> the
> > >front and a teraflex 4in Lift. I do have a few questions. I am
> running
> > >35's with no rubbing really but I am looking to buy a new lift
> kit. I
> > >saw the rockkrawler kit and it is a 5.5" lift w/ Long arm......
> Was
> > >wondering if anyone else has heard of or had experience with
them?
> I
> > >was gonn go 7 in buit I thought I would start smaller first.
cause
> I
> > >can always buy the 7in springs later on casue both the kits are
> the
> > >same. I have the tereflex kit now with the EZ Flex arms and since
> I
> > >have the locker the whoel backend seems to wanna drive under the
> jeep,
> > >I was told that this would correct m y problem. I was hoping that
> one
> > >of you could hook up with me sometime and tell me waht other
> purchases
> > >I should make as well I was looking into CV drive shafts and such
> for
> > >the vibration let me know....
> > >
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >-I got lots of questions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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87580 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:58pm
Subject: RE: 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]

Linda,

You can count on Stu to post a thorough writeup with pics in the next week.
I'm sure he'll post a note to the group.

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda [mailto:minihummer@w...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:51 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]

Too bad he is on the opposite side of town. After driving to ASU-West
for a summer school class, I don't have much desire to go that way
for a while! The suspension; however, would be interesting to see.

Linda

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Linda,
>
> Those are true 10" coils. Troy says with the additional weight most
of the
> trail rigs carry they settle in to about 8" net lift. I saw no
indication of
> these coils bowing. Stu will have a set on his TJ. The ride is
remarkable
> with those coils and Troys long arms and steering. I used to think
the RE
> long arm I had on my (now sold) Jeep was sweet but Troys setup
takes it to a
> whole new level. If you are curious stop by his shop, I'm 100% sure
he'd let
> you test drive it.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda [mailto:minihummer@w...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]
>
>
> Scott,
>
> Are those 10" coils just plain suspension coils? Coil-over shocks?
Or
> MacPherson struts? Just curious.
>
> I was at the edge of the 4:1 rule with 6" coils on the ZJ. The 6"
> coils were 22" long, 4" dia (working from memory), 140-150#/in
> compression. These were custom made coils, not off-the-shelf. The
> spring diameter could not be increased. The 4:1 rule is if the
length
> is more than 4x the diameter, the spring will start bowing. Those
> springs gave the ZJ a great ride and incredible axle articulation.
>
> Linda
> 54 wagon
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Toys by Troy really has the best suspension out there that I have
> driven. I
> > was over there yesterday with Stu (his Jeep should be done getting
> the setup
> > today) and test drove Troys white TJ. It had 37's & 10" coils. It
> rode and
> > handled much better than my 5.5" RE long arm kit did. The steering
> on his
> > kit is absolutely amazing. In my opinion there is no better setup
> available
> > nor is there a setup that is more complete or better engineered.
It
> may seem
> > expensive but if you start pricing out different kits that also
> include a
> > total steering solution I think you'll see that his prices are
> fair. If I
> > were to ever buy another TJ I wouldn't hesitate to have Troy put
> his kit on
> > it. Obviously you don't have to run 10" coils :D
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:53 AM
> > To: GIThunder81@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] New Member lots of questions
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd definitely recommend a Long Arm kit. The RK kit is tri-link.
> Which
> > amounts to lots and lots of flex via droop. Its what I run on my
> XJ. The XJ
> > and TJ front end kits are identical. I like it. The kit handles
> excellent on
> >
> > the trail (even better than it ramps due to the droop factor). The
> company
> > itself is smaller and more personal. They stand behind their
> products.
> > Believe it or not, the owner actually met me out on the trail in
> Moab when I
> >
> > had a suspension failure to help me out. There are some things to
> consider
> > with the tri link set up (not all of them are positive), you are
> welcome to
> > come look at mine anytime you like. heres a few pics of the front
> end
> > working (the pictures are an 8 inch kit on both XJ's)
> >
> > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=731
> > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=686
> > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=703
> > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=795
> >
> > If I had a TJ, and wasnt going with an RK kit, I think I would
go
> with the
> >
> > Rubicon Express long arm kit. A friend of mine that I have wheeled
> with lots
> >
> > of times runs the RE LA kit and I am impressed with the way the
kit
> handles.
> >
> > Just my opinion.... :)
> >
> > Frank
> > http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "githunder81" <GIThunder81@c...>
> > >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [az_vjc] New Member lots of questions
> > >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:10:04 -0000
> > >
> > >I own a 97 TJ with detroit locker in the rear and a ARB locker in
> the
> > >front and a teraflex 4in Lift. I do have a few questions. I am
> running
> > >35's with no rubbing really but I am looking to buy a new lift
> kit. I
> > >saw the rockkrawler kit and it is a 5.5" lift w/ Long arm......
> Was
> > >wondering if anyone else has heard of or had experience with
them?
> I
> > >was gonn go 7 in buit I thought I would start smaller first.
cause
> I
> > >can always buy the 7in springs later on casue both the kits are
> the
> > >same. I have the tereflex kit now with the EZ Flex arms and since
> I
> > >have the locker the whoel backend seems to wanna drive under the
> jeep,
> > >I was told that this would correct m y problem. I was hoping that
> one
> > >of you could hook up with me sometime and tell me waht other
> purchases
> > >I should make as well I was looking into CV drive shafts and such
> for
> > >the vibration let me know....
> > >
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >-I got lots of questions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
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87581 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:01pm
Subject: OT: Sales Position

I'm passing this job opportunity along to the group in case anyone is
interested.

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Tam [mailto:rtam@t...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:55 AM
To: Raymond Tam
Subject: Sales Position

Technology Partners is looking for aggressive sales personnel with
experience on either corporate sales or wholesale.

Salary DOE.

Please fax your resume to 602-347-8820.

Thank you.

Raymond Tam
Technology Partners, Inc.
Phoenix, Arizona
(602) 278-6060
Microsoft Authorized Education Reseller
Microsoft OEM System Builder Program
Gold Member 2003
Authorized Distributor For Leadtek, Gigabyte, Zonet, GWC

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

87582 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:10pm
Subject: Re: Grand Cherokee Axle Shafts

have him call amc 4x4 salvage in glendale. They get between 75 and 100 bucks
for a used axle shaft.

Frank
http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw

>From: "dbkcs" <dbkcs@y...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Grand Cherokee Axle Shafts
>Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:50:31 -0000
>
>Anyone have an axle shaft for a 94 GC full time 4x4. My friend needs
>one asap as he is suppose to be leaving for a trip next week. It has
>a V8, stock axle beleive it to be the d35c. He needs to replace the
>passenger rear shaft. If you have one you can sell him please call
>me at 602 435 4820. New are just too expensive. TIA Steve
>
>
>
>
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87583 From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:16pm
Subject: 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]

My guess that the front coils are designed to handle the weight of a
winch and a fairly stout bumper. That's the part of the spring rule I
missed. If I recall there is also wire dia and number of winds, but I
can't think of the ratio. I found a really good compression spring
tutorial a few years ago that covers this stuff. It was buried in a
college engineering department website.

Regardless, I'm impressed! Though 37" tires and 10" of lift on a 93"
wheelbase sounds a bit scary. ;-)

Linda

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Linda" <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> Too bad he is on the opposite side of town. After driving to ASU-
West
> for a summer school class, I don't have much desire to go that way
> for a while! The suspension; however, would be interesting to see.
>
> Linda
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Linda,
> >
> > Those are true 10" coils. Troy says with the additional weight
most
> of the
> > trail rigs carry they settle in to about 8" net lift. I saw no
> indication of
> > these coils bowing. Stu will have a set on his TJ. The ride is
> remarkable
> > with those coils and Troys long arms and steering. I used to
think
> the RE
> > long arm I had on my (now sold) Jeep was sweet but Troys setup
> takes it to a
> > whole new level. If you are curious stop by his shop, I'm 100%
sure
> he'd let
> > you test drive it.
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Linda [mailto:minihummer@w...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:09 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]
> >
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > Are those 10" coils just plain suspension coils? Coil-over
shocks?
> Or
> > MacPherson struts? Just curious.
> >
> > I was at the edge of the 4:1 rule with 6" coils on the ZJ. The 6"
> > coils were 22" long, 4" dia (working from memory), 140-150#/in
> > compression. These were custom made coils, not off-the-shelf. The
> > spring diameter could not be increased. The 4:1 rule is if the
> length
> > is more than 4x the diameter, the spring will start bowing. Those
> > springs gave the ZJ a great ride and incredible axle
articulation.
> >
> > Linda
> > 54 wagon
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
wrote:
> > > Toys by Troy really has the best suspension out there that I
have
> > driven. I
> > > was over there yesterday with Stu (his Jeep should be done
getting
> > the setup
> > > today) and test drove Troys white TJ. It had 37's & 10" coils.
It
> > rode and
> > > handled much better than my 5.5" RE long arm kit did. The
steering
> > on his
> > > kit is absolutely amazing. In my opinion there is no better
setup
> > available
> > > nor is there a setup that is more complete or better
engineered.
> It
> > may seem
> > > expensive but if you start pricing out different kits that also
> > include a
> > > total steering solution I think you'll see that his prices are
> > fair. If I
> > > were to ever buy another TJ I wouldn't hesitate to have Troy put
> > his kit on
> > > it. Obviously you don't have to run 10" coils :D
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:53 AM
> > > To: GIThunder81@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] New Member lots of questions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd definitely recommend a Long Arm kit. The RK kit is tri-link.
> > Which
> > > amounts to lots and lots of flex via droop. Its what I run on my
> > XJ. The XJ
> > > and TJ front end kits are identical. I like it. The kit handles
> > excellent on
> > >
> > > the trail (even better than it ramps due to the droop factor).
The
> > company
> > > itself is smaller and more personal. They stand behind their
> > products.
> > > Believe it or not, the owner actually met me out on the trail in
> > Moab when I
> > >
> > > had a suspension failure to help me out. There are some things
to
> > consider
> > > with the tri link set up (not all of them are positive), you are
> > welcome to
> > > come look at mine anytime you like. heres a few pics of the
front
> > end
> > > working (the pictures are an 8 inch kit on both XJ's)
> > >
> > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> > action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=731
> > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> > action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=686
> > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> > action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=703
> > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> > action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=795
> > >
> > > If I had a TJ, and wasnt going with an RK kit, I think I
would
> go
> > with the
> > >
> > > Rubicon Express long arm kit. A friend of mine that I have
wheeled
> > with lots
> > >
> > > of times runs the RE LA kit and I am impressed with the way the
> kit
> > handles.
> > >
> > > Just my opinion.... :)
> > >
> > > Frank
> > > http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "githunder81" <GIThunder81@c...>
> > > >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [az_vjc] New Member lots of questions
> > > >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:10:04 -0000
> > > >
> > > >I own a 97 TJ with detroit locker in the rear and a ARB locker
in
> > the
> > > >front and a teraflex 4in Lift. I do have a few questions. I am
> > running
> > > >35's with no rubbing really but I am looking to buy a new lift
> > kit. I
> > > >saw the rockkrawler kit and it is a 5.5" lift w/ Long arm......
> > Was
> > > >wondering if anyone else has heard of or had experience with
> them?
> > I
> > > >was gonn go 7 in buit I thought I would start smaller first.
> cause
> > I
> > > >can always buy the 7in springs later on casue both the kits are
> > the
> > > >same. I have the tereflex kit now with the EZ Flex arms and
since
> > I
> > > >have the locker the whoel backend seems to wanna drive under
the
> > jeep,
> > > >I was told that this would correct m y problem. I was hoping
that
> > one
> > > >of you could hook up with me sometime and tell me waht other
> > purchases
> > > >I should make as well I was looking into CV drive shafts and
such
> > for
> > > >the vibration let me know....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > >-I got lots of questions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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87584 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:29pm
Subject: Re: 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]

your right. it depends on the size of the wire and number of coils. I found
the calc rules a while back (cant remember where from) but if your
interested I posted em at:

http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ/coilspringratechart.msnw

Frank
http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw

>From: "Linda" <minihummer@w...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]
>Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:16:10 -0000
>
>My guess that the front coils are designed to handle the weight of a
>winch and a fairly stout bumper. That's the part of the spring rule I
>missed. If I recall there is also wire dia and number of winds, but I
>can't think of the ratio. I found a really good compression spring
>tutorial a few years ago that covers this stuff. It was buried in a
>college engineering department website.
>
>Regardless, I'm impressed! Though 37" tires and 10" of lift on a 93"
>wheelbase sounds a bit scary. ;-)
>
>Linda
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Linda" <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> > Too bad he is on the opposite side of town. After driving to ASU-
>West
> > for a summer school class, I don't have much desire to go that way
> > for a while! The suspension; however, would be interesting to see.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > > Linda,
> > >
> > > Those are true 10" coils. Troy says with the additional weight
>most
> > of the
> > > trail rigs carry they settle in to about 8" net lift. I saw no
> > indication of
> > > these coils bowing. Stu will have a set on his TJ. The ride is
> > remarkable
> > > with those coils and Troys long arms and steering. I used to
>think
> > the RE
> > > long arm I had on my (now sold) Jeep was sweet but Troys setup
> > takes it to a
> > > whole new level. If you are curious stop by his shop, I'm 100%
>sure
> > he'd let
> > > you test drive it.
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Linda [mailto:minihummer@w...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:09 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > Are those 10" coils just plain suspension coils? Coil-over
>shocks?
> > Or
> > > MacPherson struts? Just curious.
> > >
> > > I was at the edge of the 4:1 rule with 6" coils on the ZJ. The 6"
> > > coils were 22" long, 4" dia (working from memory), 140-150#/in
> > > compression. These were custom made coils, not off-the-shelf. The
> > > spring diameter could not be increased. The 4:1 rule is if the
> > length
> > > is more than 4x the diameter, the spring will start bowing. Those
> > > springs gave the ZJ a great ride and incredible axle
>articulation.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > > 54 wagon
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
>wrote:
> > > > Toys by Troy really has the best suspension out there that I
>have
> > > driven. I
> > > > was over there yesterday with Stu (his Jeep should be done
>getting
> > > the setup
> > > > today) and test drove Troys white TJ. It had 37's & 10" coils.
>It
> > > rode and
> > > > handled much better than my 5.5" RE long arm kit did. The
>steering
> > > on his
> > > > kit is absolutely amazing. In my opinion there is no better
>setup
> > > available
> > > > nor is there a setup that is more complete or better
>engineered.
> > It
> > > may seem
> > > > expensive but if you start pricing out different kits that also
> > > include a
> > > > total steering solution I think you'll see that his prices are
> > > fair. If I
> > > > were to ever buy another TJ I wouldn't hesitate to have Troy put
> > > his kit on
> > > > it. Obviously you don't have to run 10" coils :D
> > > >
> > > > Scott K
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:53 AM
> > > > To: GIThunder81@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] New Member lots of questions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd definitely recommend a Long Arm kit. The RK kit is tri-link.
> > > Which
> > > > amounts to lots and lots of flex via droop. Its what I run on my
> > > XJ. The XJ
> > > > and TJ front end kits are identical. I like it. The kit handles
> > > excellent on
> > > >
> > > > the trail (even better than it ramps due to the droop factor).
>The
> > > company
> > > > itself is smaller and more personal. They stand behind their
> > > products.
> > > > Believe it or not, the owner actually met me out on the trail in
> > > Moab when I
> > > >
> > > > had a suspension failure to help me out. There are some things
>to
> > > consider
> > > > with the tri link set up (not all of them are positive), you are
> > > welcome to
> > > > come look at mine anytime you like. heres a few pics of the
>front
> > > end
> > > > working (the pictures are an 8 inch kit on both XJ's)
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> > > action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=731
> > > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> > > action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=686
> > > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> > > action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=703
> > > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> > > action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=795
> > > >
> > > > If I had a TJ, and wasnt going with an RK kit, I think I
>would
> > go
> > > with the
> > > >
> > > > Rubicon Express long arm kit. A friend of mine that I have
>wheeled
> > > with lots
> > > >
> > > > of times runs the RE LA kit and I am impressed with the way the
> > kit
> > > handles.
> > > >
> > > > Just my opinion.... :)
> > > >
> > > > Frank
> > > > http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> > > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "githunder81" <GIThunder81@c...>
> > > > >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: [az_vjc] New Member lots of questions
> > > > >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:10:04 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >I own a 97 TJ with detroit locker in the rear and a ARB locker
>in
> > > the
> > > > >front and a teraflex 4in Lift. I do have a few questions. I am
> > > running
> > > > >35's with no rubbing really but I am looking to buy a new lift
> > > kit. I
> > > > >saw the rockkrawler kit and it is a 5.5" lift w/ Long arm......
> > > Was
> > > > >wondering if anyone else has heard of or had experience with
> > them?
> > > I
> > > > >was gonn go 7 in buit I thought I would start smaller first.
> > cause
> > > I
> > > > >can always buy the 7in springs later on casue both the kits are
> > > the
> > > > >same. I have the tereflex kit now with the EZ Flex arms and
>since
> > > I
> > > > >have the locker the whoel backend seems to wanna drive under
>the
> > > jeep,
> > > > >I was told that this would correct m y problem. I was hoping
>that
> > > one
> > > > >of you could hook up with me sometime and tell me waht other
> > > purchases
> > > > >I should make as well I was looking into CV drive shafts and
>such
> > > for
> > > > >the vibration let me know....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin
> > > > >-I got lots of questions
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87585 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:12pm
Subject: 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]

He has already been posting them on JU:
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=413495

There is also some mention, not by Stu, about Joe W., lol. Joe,
check out Stu's new steering.... LOL
I know after last Sunday the LA kit doesn't bother you too much.

--James

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Linda,
>
> You can count on Stu to post a thorough writeup with pics in the
next week.
> I'm sure he'll post a note to the group.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda [mailto:minihummer@w...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:51 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of questions]
>
>
> Too bad he is on the opposite side of town. After driving to ASU-
West
> for a summer school class, I don't have much desire to go that way
> for a while! The suspension; however, would be interesting to see.
>
> Linda
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Linda,
> >
> > Those are true 10" coils. Troy says with the additional weight
most
> of the
> > trail rigs carry they settle in to about 8" net lift. I saw no
> indication of
> > these coils bowing. Stu will have a set on his TJ. The ride is
> remarkable
> > with those coils and Troys long arms and steering. I used to
think
> the RE
> > long arm I had on my (now sold) Jeep was sweet but Troys setup
> takes it to a
> > whole new level. If you are curious stop by his shop, I'm 100%
sure
> he'd let
> > you test drive it.
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Linda [mailto:minihummer@w...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:09 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] 10" coils [was Re: New Member lots of
questions]
> >
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > Are those 10" coils just plain suspension coils? Coil-over
shocks?
> Or
> > MacPherson struts? Just curious.
> >
> > I was at the edge of the 4:1 rule with 6" coils on the ZJ. The 6"
> > coils were 22" long, 4" dia (working from memory), 140-150#/in
> > compression. These were custom made coils, not off-the-shelf.
The
> > spring diameter could not be increased. The 4:1 rule is if the
> length
> > is more than 4x the diameter, the spring will start bowing. Those
> > springs gave the ZJ a great ride and incredible axle
articulation.
> >
> > Linda
> > 54 wagon
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
wrote:
> > > Toys by Troy really has the best suspension out there that I
have
> > driven. I
> > > was over there yesterday with Stu (his Jeep should be done
getting
> > the setup
> > > today) and test drove Troys white TJ. It had 37's & 10" coils.
It
> > rode and
> > > handled much better than my 5.5" RE long arm kit did. The
steering
> > on his
> > > kit is absolutely amazing. In my opinion there is no better
setup
> > available
> > > nor is there a setup that is more complete or better
engineered.
> It
> > may seem
> > > expensive but if you start pricing out different kits that also
> > include a
> > > total steering solution I think you'll see that his prices are
> > fair. If I
> > > were to ever buy another TJ I wouldn't hesitate to have Troy
put
> > his kit on
> > > it. Obviously you don't have to run 10" coils :D
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:53 AM
> > > To: GIThunder81@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] New Member lots of questions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd definitely recommend a Long Arm kit. The RK kit is tri-
link.
> > Which
> > > amounts to lots and lots of flex via droop. Its what I run on
my
> > XJ. The XJ
> > > and TJ front end kits are identical. I like it. The kit handles
> > excellent on
> > >
> > > the trail (even better than it ramps due to the droop factor).
The
> > company
> > > itself is smaller and more personal. They stand behind their
> > products.
> > > Believe it or not, the owner actually met me out on the trail
in
> > Moab when I
> > >
> > > had a suspension failure to help me out. There are some things
to
> > consider
> > > with the tri link set up (not all of them are positive), you
are
> > welcome to
> > > come look at mine anytime you like. heres a few pics of the
front
> > end
> > > working (the pictures are an 8 inch kit on both XJ's)
> > >
> > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> > action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=731
> > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> > action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=686
> > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> > action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=703
> > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/terminator61.msnw?
> > action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=795
> > >
> > > If I had a TJ, and wasnt going with an RK kit, I think I
would
> go
> > with the
> > >
> > > Rubicon Express long arm kit. A friend of mine that I have
wheeled
> > with lots
> > >
> > > of times runs the RE LA kit and I am impressed with the way the
> kit
> > handles.
> > >
> > > Just my opinion.... :)
> > >
> > > Frank
> > > http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> > > http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "githunder81" <GIThunder81@c...>
> > > >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [az_vjc] New Member lots of questions
> > > >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:10:04 -0000
> > > >
> > > >I own a 97 TJ with detroit locker in the rear and a ARB
locker in
> > the
> > > >front and a teraflex 4in Lift. I do have a few questions. I am
> > running
> > > >35's with no rubbing really but I am looking to buy a new lift
> > kit. I
> > > >saw the rockkrawler kit and it is a 5.5" lift w/ Long
arm......
> > Was
> > > >wondering if anyone else has heard of or had experience with
> them?
> > I
> > > >was gonn go 7 in buit I thought I would start smaller first.
> cause
> > I
> > > >can always buy the 7in springs later on casue both the kits
are
> > the
> > > >same. I have the tereflex kit now with the EZ Flex arms and
since
> > I
> > > >have the locker the whoel backend seems to wanna drive under
the
> > jeep,
> > > >I was told that this would correct m y problem. I was hoping
that
> > one
> > > >of you could hook up with me sometime and tell me waht other
> > purchases
> > > >I should make as well I was looking into CV drive shafts and
such
> > for
> > > >the vibration let me know....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > >-I got lots of questions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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87586 From: jaylalib <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:19pm
Subject: Co-Pilot Seat Open for Rubicon Trip on the 24th

Hi there,

Well I have room for 1. Jeepers Jamboree require you to have 2
people per guest. If you are interested in going please give me a
call at 602-999-4516.

Thanks,

Jason

87587 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:10pm
Subject: Re: Monster Garage Update

Sounds like the MG producers don't have a clue, and the responder has a bad
attitude. I have lost my enthusiasm for the show of late.

Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZ Dust Devils,AZVJC
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, United Four Wheel Drive Clubs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:49 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Monster Garage Update

> For all of you in the heated debate over the Rock Crawler episode of
> Monster Garage... there was a post on the forum on the website where
> a viewer expressed the same sentiments as a few of you, and there
> was a reply from the shows producer. Here are the two posts for your
> viewing pleasure... -Rob:
>
> POST:
> I was a fan of the Monster Garage series until I
> watched the Rock Crawler episode. I am an OHV
> enthusiast who frequently enjoys the joys of traveling
> off road and testing the capability of my vehicle. We
> in the OHV community are fighting a constant battle to
> keep the areas that we visit open and curb the
> negative stereotype that is associated with our
> "sport." There are thousands of OHV enthusiasts all of
> ther country whom are poorly represented by
> irresponsible 4-wheeling. The leaking transmission
> fluid and excessive driving style both exhibited on
> the Rock Crawler episode are the type of activities
> that we try to minimize and eliminate. These
> activities cause undue harm to the environment which
> can be minimized by responsible 4-wheeling. As
> mentioned before, we fight a constant battle to show
> environmentalists, park rangers, politicians, etc.
> that when practiced responsibly, our OHV 4-wheeling
> creates a minimal and acceptable impact to the
> environment. A number of the actions portraid on the
> Rock Crawler Episode did not portray the responsible
> 4-wheeling that so many people practice and promote.
> Many of us contribue many hours and some long weekends
> to keep the OHV areas we use clean and maintaned in an
> effort to protect the environment we use and dispell
> the stereotype that we are faced with.
> Mongoos79
>
>
>
> REPLY:
> Hey Mongoos
> Give me a break....We work very hard making this tv
> show and yeah maybe we made a mistake by not showing
> us cleaning up our mess....but get off the
> mount...OK...we're sorry!!! I'm sure we had no
> intention of spoiling life for all the other off road
> enthusiasts.
>
>
>
>
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87588 From: Dave <dtumilson@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:17pm
Subject: test

87589 From: JimSerio <jim@r...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:39pm
Subject: Re: CB recommendations and where to buy?

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <khaw@n...> wrote:
> Not me my cousin and his son bought 3 of them. That was at a Sam's
Club
> in Porterville,Ca. Not sure if the sale is going on here or not, I
> don't have a Sam's card. But it's worth checking out. I already
have all
> the cb's I need so wasn't real interested till I saw the
discussion when
> I got home.

Visited Sam's Club on Indian School and 20th St. and saw no Cobra's
(on sale or otherwise). Looked over all the electronics and in the
auto section. They didn't even have car radios.

Jim

87590 From: dbkcs <dbkcs@y...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:53pm
Subject: Axle shaft thanks

Thanks for all the responses. I believe Linda got it taken care of
for my friend.

87591 From: Joe-CJ7 <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:56pm
Subject: Saturday Night Run

Anyone want to do a Saturday night run in Florence Junction?

They say there might be rain, I hope, I hope.

Joe Kearney

Joe-CJ7@J...

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87592 From: james kilcullen <whoozey1953@y...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:59pm
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Run

What trails you thinking of?

Joe-CJ7 <Joe-CJ7@j...> wrote:Anyone want to do a Saturday night run in Florence Junction?

They say there might be rain, I hope, I hope.

Joe Kearney

Joe-CJ7@J...

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87593 From: ezrydr1 <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:12pm
Subject: RE Saturday Night Run

Casa Grande 4 Wheelers are doing a Box Canyon / Lower Ajax run on
Sat. the 19th... If you want to go, just show up at the Chevron Mini-
Mart on Hyw 79 accross from the Big O store on the North side of
Florence...

87594 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:14pm
Subject: [TR] FR-42 - Saturday, July 19, 2003

Hello All,Don Whitehead is leading a FR-42 trail run on Saturday, July 19, 2003. When: Meet at 6:45 Leave at 7:00AM
Where: Pay Station at Bartlett Lake.
Rating: 3.0+
Length: 3-4 hours
CB Channel: 4

I had a few interested in a cooler run this weekend so this is it. We are going to try to add more water time for us non air condition jeeps. This will be a fun run completion a full trail might not happen because of water time. This is my second time out there and if none else whats to lead expect a few wrong turns. Idea is jeepin, water, jeepin more water. 
To get there take Pima Rd north to Cave Creek (5 miles or so),turn right,go east another 5 miles or so to Bartlett Lake turn-off go another 15 miles or so to the paystation.

http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=950
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,

- The AzVJC Website

87595 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:14pm
Subject: [TR] FR-42 - Saturday, July 19, 2003 - Reminder

Hello All,Don Whitehead is leading a FR-42 trail run on Saturday, July 19, 2003. When: Meet at 6:45 Leave at 7:00AM
Where: Pay Station at Bartlett Lake.
Rating: 3.0+
Length: 3-4 hours
CB Channel: 4

I had a few interested in a cooler run this weekend so this is it. We are going to try to add more water time for us non air condition jeeps. This will be a fun run completion a full trail might not happen because of water time. This is my second time out there and if none else whats to lead expect a few wrong turns. Idea is jeepin, water, jeepin more water. 
To get there take Pima Rd north to Cave Creek (5 miles or so),turn right,go east another 5 miles or so to Bartlett Lake turn-off go another 15 miles or so to the paystation.

http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=950
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,

- The AzVJC Website

87596 From: Keith <khaw@n...>
Date: Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:18pm
Subject: RE: Re: CB recommendations and where to buy?

Jim,, I'll give my cousin in CA a call and find out for sure.. Sorry, I
could have sworn he said Sam's. Let you know tonight.
Keith

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