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83241 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:06am
Subject: Re: Re: anybody tried this? Need better gas mileage?
Mmmm, at over $200.00 (for the Wrangler), it'll take a long, long time to
recover it's cost, assuming 2 mpg increase.. I already use 87 octane, so
that's of no benefit.. I pass emissions, so, again, no benefit (for me).
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad" <a292@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: anybody tried this? Need better gas mileage?
> In the tech section they claim it creates more of the highly
> branched hydrocarbon molecules in gasoline, increasing its
> octane and yet reduces them in diesel, lowering its octane. No
> offense but it sounds like snake oil to me...
>
> If it really worked wouldn't the automakers be installing them to
> lower their cost of making cars pass emissions and CAFE
> standards?
>
> Let me know if you try it and it works, then I'll be in the market...
>
> Have a good day
> Brad
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Tate" <scott@f...> wrote:
> > http://www.fitchfuelcatalyst.com/products/auto/index.html
> >
> > this is supposed to get you 2-3 mpg more and allow you to use
> 87 octane
> > gas. What a buy with gas at 2.00 + per gallon!
>
>
>
>
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>
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83242 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 11:10am
Subject: Re: New Emissions test
Oh great, now the f*cking emissions testing stations
are allowed to have Chrysler DRB 3's, but we're
still not allowed to buy them? The only thing we
can get is an aftermarket thing that doesn't do all
the stuff that the Chrysler DRB 3 does. I think
that all car manufacturers (especially f*cking
CHRYSLER) should be required to retrofit
all engine computers with an RS-232 or USB
serial port, plus software for Windows, Linux,
and Macintosh so that we can tune our jeeps
and other vehicles with our own home computers.
I'm a computer programmer, and I think the
wedding of computer technology to internal
combustion technology is about the stupidest
thing I've ever seen. The car manufacturers
should at least make it easy for us to use
their silly computer technology.
Tony
Michael Hudson wrote:
> it says nothing about internal engine dimensions, or even extarnal bolt on equipment.
> it mearly states that the vehicle must not pull codes when scanned.
> very easy to build a stroker motor that still runs off the factory computer, and pulls no codes, especially if you have a custom chip burn'd for your particular application.
>
> www.streetflight.com (ask for Dave or Keith)in Mesa has been doing a lot of work on obdII chip burning and testing with state emmissions facilies as backup.
>
> Hot Rods are not on the out, they are just not the old backyard built/tuned variety any more.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:16 AM
> To: AZ_VJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] New Emissions test
>
> Joe Daro warned about this, when he was asked a question about stroking a TJ
> 6 cylinder.
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0422emissions22.html
>
> I guess all vehicles, from 1996-present, must remain stock and running up to
> manufactures specs. The hot rods of the past are over.
>
> --James
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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83243 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:25am
Subject: Re: anybody tried this? Need better gas mileage?
um..... SPAM??? -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Tate" <scott@f...> wrote:
> http://www.fitchfuelcatalyst.com/products/auto/index.html
>
> this is supposed to get you 2-3 mpg more and allow you to use 87
octane
> gas. What a buy with gas at 2.00 + per gallon!
83244 From: Scott Tate <scott@f...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:30am
Subject: RE: Re: anybody tried this? Need better gas mileage?
Spam? I've been looking to buy this and I wanted to see if anyone had
ever heard of it. My jeep gets 12 mpg and I'd try anything to save a
few $$$. Why would you say I'm sending spam?
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 11:25 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: anybody tried this? Need better gas mileage?
um..... SPAM??? -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Tate" <scott@f...> wrote:
> http://www.fitchfuelcatalyst.com/products/auto/index.html
>
> this is supposed to get you 2-3 mpg more and allow you to use 87
octane
> gas. What a buy with gas at 2.00 + per gallon!
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83245 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:38am
Subject: Re: New Emissions test
Have you ever tried to get a Chrysler box programed? It's not like
Chevys or Fords. As far as I know, DC won't given anyone the key to
program their boxes and they don't have programable chips.
As far as swapping computers, I don't think that will fly with this
testing. The computer has to match the vehicle.
I am sure Joe D. can shed some light on this.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hudson" <mhudson@d...> wrote:
> it says nothing about internal engine dimensions, or even extarnal
bolt on equipment.
> it mearly states that the vehicle must not pull codes when scanned.
> very easy to build a stroker motor that still runs off the factory
computer, and pulls no codes, especially if you have a custom chip
burn'd for your particular application.
>
> www.streetflight.com (ask for Dave or Keith)in Mesa has been doing
a lot of work on obdII chip burning and testing with state emmissions
facilies as backup.
>
> Hot Rods are not on the out, they are just not the old backyard
built/tuned variety any more.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:16 AM
> To: AZ_VJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] New Emissions test
>
>
> Joe Daro warned about this, when he was asked a question about
stroking a TJ
> 6 cylinder.
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0422emissions22.html
>
> I guess all vehicles, from 1996-present, must remain stock and
running up to
> manufactures specs. The hot rods of the past are over.
>
> --James
>
>
>
>
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
83246 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:42am
Subject: RE: New
Welcome to the conglomeration! Way cool, wish I could make it up to
Moab! :(lack of $$)
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Cort Keithley [mailto:cort52@y...]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:19 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] New
I just wanted to say hi, and introduce myself. I saw a few guys up in
Moab this past weekend,sportin the AZVJC stickers. So finally I
decided I wanted to start doing some local wheelin and meet some of
the local jeep crew. If ya like you can check out py pic site to get
an idea of my rig. Hope to see everyone out there.
-Cort
http://community.webshots.com/user/captaincort52
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83247 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:45am
Subject: Re: New Emissions test
Yeah, isn't it amazing how Chrysler won't give up the connectivity
and the rest will? You would think there would be some sort of law
against that. Isn't this something like, Microsoft selling you some
software and not allowing anyone else to interface with it? or
something?
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
wrote:
>
> Oh great, now the f*cking emissions testing stations
> are allowed to have Chrysler DRB 3's, but we're
> still not allowed to buy them? The only thing we
> can get is an aftermarket thing that doesn't do all
> the stuff that the Chrysler DRB 3 does. I think
> that all car manufacturers (especially f*cking
> CHRYSLER) should be required to retrofit
> all engine computers with an RS-232 or USB
> serial port, plus software for Windows, Linux,
> and Macintosh so that we can tune our jeeps
> and other vehicles with our own home computers.
>
> I'm a computer programmer, and I think the
> wedding of computer technology to internal
> combustion technology is about the stupidest
> thing I've ever seen. The car manufacturers
> should at least make it easy for us to use
> their silly computer technology.
>
> Tony
>
83248 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:55am
Subject: RE: Re: Hi-Lift Handle Hugger
James,
Yes I did. A few days ago. I think it is a great idea too.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:20 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Hi-Lift Handle Hugger
Joey,
That is very cool. Did you let Mike, that guy that makes them, see
this?
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> Stu,
>
>
>
> Here is another good use for the Handle Hugger.
>
>
>
> Joey K
>
> http://www.desertjeep.com <http://www.desertjeep.com/>
>
> 93YJ
>
>
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83249 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 0:09pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Emissions test
No, you misunderstand what I am saying. Yes, I have
to keep the silly Chrysler computer in my jeep. But,
the engine computer port, (the thing that the DRB plugs into
so that you can scan codes, tune the engine, etc.) is
a proprietary (probably serial) port. It's not a computer
industry standard RS-232, USB or parallel port.
Plus, Chrysler keeps the protocol used by this port
secret. If the engine computer had a standard serial
port and the protocol were published, then I could
write my own software for my home computer or
laptop to pull the coded from the engine computer,
tune the engine, etc.
James Towle wrote:
> Have you ever tried to get a Chrysler box programed? It's not like
> Chevys or Fords. As far as I know, DC won't given anyone the key to
> program their boxes and they don't have programable chips.
>
> As far as swapping computers, I don't think that will fly with this
> testing. The computer has to match the vehicle.
>
> I am sure Joe D. can shed some light on this.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hudson" <mhudson@d...> wrote:
> > it says nothing about internal engine dimensions, or even extarnal
> bolt on equipment.
> > it mearly states that the vehicle must not pull codes when scanned.
> > very easy to build a stroker motor that still runs off the factory
> computer, and pulls no codes, especially if you have a custom chip
> burn'd for your particular application.
> >
> > www.streetflight.com (ask for Dave or Keith)in Mesa has been doing
> a lot of work on obdII chip burning and testing with state emmissions
> facilies as backup.
> >
> > Hot Rods are not on the out, they are just not the old backyard
> built/tuned variety any more.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:16 AM
> > To: AZ_VJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] New Emissions test
> >
> >
> > Joe Daro warned about this, when he was asked a question about
> stroking a TJ
> > 6 cylinder.
> >
> > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0422emissions22.html
> >
> > I guess all vehicles, from 1996-present, must remain stock and
> running up to
> > manufactures specs. The hot rods of the past are over.
> >
> > --James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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83250 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 0:27pm
Subject: [TR] Sycamore Creek - Wednesday, April 23, 2003
Hello All,
Mike Hiett is leading a Sycamore Creek trail run on Wednesday, April 23, 2003.
When: Wednesday 9am meeting
Where: aGiblert and the B-line
Rating: 3.5+
Length:
CB Channel:
Another fun filled mid day run. Entering at the turn off of 4 peaks and coming out at the West end by the "Widowmaker"
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
83251 From: Shaun Girard <spgirard30@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:30pm
Subject: rims and axle
I am on my way to phoenix right now to pick up my new front axle. I have a set of rims for sale and a rear axle for sale on the classifieds page. if anyone is interested I am throwing them in the back of my truck. I will meet you somewhere up there. 50 bucks for the axle and also 50 for the rims. my cell number is 520-730-4864
Thanks
Shaun
Tucson
83252 From: Brad <a292@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:36pm
Subject: Member Discount at Six Points Hardware
I just got back from talking to Don at Six Points Hardware (an Ace
hardware store) and he has agreed to give any member of the
AZVJC a discount as follows:
Grade 8 hardware, 15% off by the piece, 30% off by the box.
Store wide discount of 10% to 20% depending on the item.
Six Points has one of the largest bolt rooms in the valley and is
overall one of the best stocked hardware stores that you will find.
To get the discount you need to talk to Don and let him know you
are a member of the AZVJC.
Six Points Hardware
Don Bertz
1409 N. 19th Ave.
Phoenix, AZ 85009
602-252-6157 800-487-4845
Have a good day
Brad
83253 From: Bill Hooven <whooven@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:42pm
Subject: Re: rims and axle
And just so everyone knows, they appear to be:
Axle: AMC 20 widetrac rear axle
Rims: 4 AR 39 rims for sale they have the CJ bolt pattern and they are 15x8.
That should save everyone from having to look it up to determine if you're interested.
Good luck!
--------------
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http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
--------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Girard
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] rims and axle
I am on my way to phoenix right now to pick up my new front axle. I have a set of rims for sale and a rear axle for sale on the classifieds page. if anyone is interested I am throwing them in the back of my truck. I will meet you somewhere up there. 50 bucks for the axle and also 50 for the rims. my cell number is 520-730-4864
Thanks
Shaun
Tucson
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83254 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:41pm
Subject: Re: New Emissions test
Yeah, and they should get rid of those hoses that are a different
diameter on each end, too!
-Roger (who has to replace his fuel tank filler hoses in order to
pass the new emissions test)
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
wrote:
>
> Oh great, now the f*cking emissions testing stations
> are allowed to have Chrysler DRB 3's, but we're
> still not allowed to buy them? The only thing we
> can get is an aftermarket thing that doesn't do all
> the stuff that the Chrysler DRB 3 does. I think
> that all car manufacturers (especially f*cking
> CHRYSLER) should be required to retrofit
> all engine computers with an RS-232 or USB
> serial port, plus software for Windows, Linux,
> and Macintosh so that we can tune our jeeps
> and other vehicles with our own home computers.
>
> I'm a computer programmer, and I think the
> wedding of computer technology to internal
> combustion technology is about the stupidest
> thing I've ever seen. The car manufacturers
> should at least make it easy for us to use
> their silly computer technology.
>
> Tony
83255 From: Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 3:33pm
Subject: Chicago Electric Tools?
Well, my garage got looted last night and the majority of my tools
were missing. How is the reliabilty if Chicago Electric
Power/Cordless tools? The only things I've bought from them have been
hand tools except the grinder I bought last weekend that was also
liberated last night. Goodness knows I want to get quality stuff but
it's not in the budget right now.
*******s took my new set of torx bits too!
Thanks for the insight,
Phil
83256 From: b h <xjnation@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:02pm
Subject: Best buy for Late model XJ
Hey all,
Where can I get the best buy on a new xj GDI or better radiator
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83257 From: Mike & Karen Acuna <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:04pm
Subject: old warn winch
I have some serial numbers off an old Warn winch...........wanted to know if anyone can identify the winch, and if it can be rebuilt. 5687 24981 I believe the tag says it's rated at 8000lbs. I also have some pictures if it will help.
Thanks,
Mike
98 ZJ
83258 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:13pm
Subject: Best buy for Late model XJ
radiator.com has a 3 core lifetime warranty for my 94, for $129
94xjoe
83259 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 1:03pm
Subject: New Email Address
I changed it in Yahoo groups so I hope it works........I am deleting this email address and will be using SteelPonyCowboy@aol.com if anyone needs to contact me.
MOAB or BUST this weekend :-)
Mike
83262 From: Chris Lindsey <azrubi@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:31pm
Subject: Re: Tail Light Conversion
JP Magazine May 2003 Page 84...
HTH!
Take care,
Chris
>>>-------------------->
Christopher Lindsey
Union Planters Mortgage
8700 E. Via de Ventura
Suite 150
Scottsdale, AZ 85258
http://www.ChrisLindsey.com
480-951-1422 Ext. 300 Main
480-951-1625 FAX
602-577-5988 Cell
>>>-------------------->
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bruce Stropp" <jeep4offrd@h...>
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:01:00 -0000
Subject: [az_vjc] Tail Light Conversion
> I saw in an off road magazine a couple of weeks back, a flush mount,
> round tail light conversion. It had the how to directions, along with
> napa part #s. Does anybody remember seeing this. If so, which mag is
> it in. I cant seem to find it now.
> Thanks, Bruce
>
>
>
>
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>
83264 From: Allan Alexander <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:38pm
Subject: RE: Muffler Shop North West?
I used Muffler Masters on 51st Ave and Glendale. Awesome work and cheap prices&
Allan
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Micek [mailto:micekc@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:29 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Muffler Shop North West?
Anyone have a good muffler shop in the north west valley or other area?
Craig
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83267 From: Jason Blank <rockrdr@h...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:54pm
Subject: Crash on the 202 and scottsdale
I say a Black TJ rolled on the 202 around 4:30 hope everyone is ok...
-RockRDR
__________________________________________________ _______________
83268 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:55pm
Subject: Battery Problems
First off, this is the stock DC battery in my 2000 TJ.
I had my jeep parked and went to start it and nothing. I have had no indications there were any problems until this. I noticed I had no power, a flickering dome light was about it. I popped the hood and the "dummy" indicator on the battery was black as night.
I got a jump and as I was driving home I noticed that the amp gauge (yes I know that it is not 100% accurate) was "pegged" @ 19. When I got it home I pulled the battery, and it appears to be toast. This is the original battery on a 2000 TJ so I figure that it gave up the ghost. Any one have any experiences similar, only to find something other than the battery? I am running some additional electrical accessories, but nothing extreme.
I am considering going to a yellow top Optima, anyone know where I can get one in the east valley tonight?
Thanks,
-Mike Hoyt
83269 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:10pm
Subject: Re: Battery Problems
Additionally, looking at the Optima Yellow's, I assume the dark gray case is the one I want?
-Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Battery Problems
First off, this is the stock DC battery in my 2000 TJ.
I had my jeep parked and went to start it and nothing. I have had no indications there were any problems until this. I noticed I had no power, a flickering dome light was about it. I popped the hood and the "dummy" indicator on the battery was black as night.
I got a jump and as I was driving home I noticed that the amp gauge (yes I know that it is not 100% accurate) was "pegged" @ 19. When I got it home I pulled the battery, and it appears to be toast. This is the original battery on a 2000 TJ so I figure that it gave up the ghost. Any one have any experiences similar, only to find something other than the battery? I am running some additional electrical accessories, but nothing extreme.
I am considering going to a yellow top Optima, anyone know where I can get one in the east valley tonight?
Thanks,
-Mike Hoyt
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83270 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 6:27pm
Subject: Re: Tail Light Conversion
Speaking of tail-light conversions, I just saw a
Jeep CJ at Broadway Road and Mill that
has classic Ford Mustang tail-lights!. heheh.
Tony
Chris Lindsey wrote:
> JP Magazine May 2003 Page 84...
>
> HTH!
>
> Take care,
> Chris
> >>>-------------------->
> Christopher Lindsey
> Union Planters Mortgage
> 8700 E. Via de Ventura
> Suite 150
> Scottsdale, AZ 85258
> http://www.ChrisLindsey.com
> 480-951-1422 Ext. 300 Main
> 480-951-1625 FAX
> 602-577-5988 Cell
> >>>-------------------->
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bruce Stropp" <jeep4offrd@h...>
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:01:00 -0000
> Subject: [az_vjc] Tail Light Conversion
>
> > I saw in an off road magazine a couple of weeks back, a flush mount,
> > round tail light conversion. It had the how to directions, along with
> > napa part #s. Does anybody remember seeing this. If so, which mag is
> > it in. I cant seem to find it now.
> > Thanks, Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
>
>
>
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83241 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:06am
Subject: Re: Re: anybody tried this? Need better gas mileage?
Mmmm, at over $200.00 (for the Wrangler), it'll take a long, long time to
recover it's cost, assuming 2 mpg increase.. I already use 87 octane, so
that's of no benefit.. I pass emissions, so, again, no benefit (for me).
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad" <a292@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: anybody tried this? Need better gas mileage?
> In the tech section they claim it creates more of the highly
> branched hydrocarbon molecules in gasoline, increasing its
> octane and yet reduces them in diesel, lowering its octane. No
> offense but it sounds like snake oil to me...
>
> If it really worked wouldn't the automakers be installing them to
> lower their cost of making cars pass emissions and CAFE
> standards?
>
> Let me know if you try it and it works, then I'll be in the market...
>
> Have a good day
> Brad
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Tate" <scott@f...> wrote:
> > http://www.fitchfuelcatalyst.com/products/auto/index.html
> >
> > this is supposed to get you 2-3 mpg more and allow you to use
> 87 octane
> > gas. What a buy with gas at 2.00 + per gallon!
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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83242 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 11:10am
Subject: Re: New Emissions test
Oh great, now the f*cking emissions testing stations
are allowed to have Chrysler DRB 3's, but we're
still not allowed to buy them? The only thing we
can get is an aftermarket thing that doesn't do all
the stuff that the Chrysler DRB 3 does. I think
that all car manufacturers (especially f*cking
CHRYSLER) should be required to retrofit
all engine computers with an RS-232 or USB
serial port, plus software for Windows, Linux,
and Macintosh so that we can tune our jeeps
and other vehicles with our own home computers.
I'm a computer programmer, and I think the
wedding of computer technology to internal
combustion technology is about the stupidest
thing I've ever seen. The car manufacturers
should at least make it easy for us to use
their silly computer technology.
Tony
Michael Hudson wrote:
> it says nothing about internal engine dimensions, or even extarnal bolt on equipment.
> it mearly states that the vehicle must not pull codes when scanned.
> very easy to build a stroker motor that still runs off the factory computer, and pulls no codes, especially if you have a custom chip burn'd for your particular application.
>
> www.streetflight.com (ask for Dave or Keith)in Mesa has been doing a lot of work on obdII chip burning and testing with state emmissions facilies as backup.
>
> Hot Rods are not on the out, they are just not the old backyard built/tuned variety any more.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:16 AM
> To: AZ_VJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] New Emissions test
>
> Joe Daro warned about this, when he was asked a question about stroking a TJ
> 6 cylinder.
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0422emissions22.html
>
> I guess all vehicles, from 1996-present, must remain stock and running up to
> manufactures specs. The hot rods of the past are over.
>
> --James
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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83243 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:25am
Subject: Re: anybody tried this? Need better gas mileage?
um..... SPAM??? -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Tate" <scott@f...> wrote:
> http://www.fitchfuelcatalyst.com/products/auto/index.html
>
> this is supposed to get you 2-3 mpg more and allow you to use 87
octane
> gas. What a buy with gas at 2.00 + per gallon!
83244 From: Scott Tate <scott@f...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:30am
Subject: RE: Re: anybody tried this? Need better gas mileage?
Spam? I've been looking to buy this and I wanted to see if anyone had
ever heard of it. My jeep gets 12 mpg and I'd try anything to save a
few $$$. Why would you say I'm sending spam?
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 11:25 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: anybody tried this? Need better gas mileage?
um..... SPAM??? -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Tate" <scott@f...> wrote:
> http://www.fitchfuelcatalyst.com/products/auto/index.html
>
> this is supposed to get you 2-3 mpg more and allow you to use 87
octane
> gas. What a buy with gas at 2.00 + per gallon!
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83245 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:38am
Subject: Re: New Emissions test
Have you ever tried to get a Chrysler box programed? It's not like
Chevys or Fords. As far as I know, DC won't given anyone the key to
program their boxes and they don't have programable chips.
As far as swapping computers, I don't think that will fly with this
testing. The computer has to match the vehicle.
I am sure Joe D. can shed some light on this.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hudson" <mhudson@d...> wrote:
> it says nothing about internal engine dimensions, or even extarnal
bolt on equipment.
> it mearly states that the vehicle must not pull codes when scanned.
> very easy to build a stroker motor that still runs off the factory
computer, and pulls no codes, especially if you have a custom chip
burn'd for your particular application.
>
> www.streetflight.com (ask for Dave or Keith)in Mesa has been doing
a lot of work on obdII chip burning and testing with state emmissions
facilies as backup.
>
> Hot Rods are not on the out, they are just not the old backyard
built/tuned variety any more.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:16 AM
> To: AZ_VJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] New Emissions test
>
>
> Joe Daro warned about this, when he was asked a question about
stroking a TJ
> 6 cylinder.
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0422emissions22.html
>
> I guess all vehicles, from 1996-present, must remain stock and
running up to
> manufactures specs. The hot rods of the past are over.
>
> --James
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
83246 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:42am
Subject: RE: New
Welcome to the conglomeration! Way cool, wish I could make it up to
Moab! :(lack of $$)
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Cort Keithley [mailto:cort52@y...]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:19 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] New
I just wanted to say hi, and introduce myself. I saw a few guys up in
Moab this past weekend,sportin the AZVJC stickers. So finally I
decided I wanted to start doing some local wheelin and meet some of
the local jeep crew. If ya like you can check out py pic site to get
an idea of my rig. Hope to see everyone out there.
-Cort
http://community.webshots.com/user/captaincort52
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83247 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:45am
Subject: Re: New Emissions test
Yeah, isn't it amazing how Chrysler won't give up the connectivity
and the rest will? You would think there would be some sort of law
against that. Isn't this something like, Microsoft selling you some
software and not allowing anyone else to interface with it? or
something?
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
wrote:
>
> Oh great, now the f*cking emissions testing stations
> are allowed to have Chrysler DRB 3's, but we're
> still not allowed to buy them? The only thing we
> can get is an aftermarket thing that doesn't do all
> the stuff that the Chrysler DRB 3 does. I think
> that all car manufacturers (especially f*cking
> CHRYSLER) should be required to retrofit
> all engine computers with an RS-232 or USB
> serial port, plus software for Windows, Linux,
> and Macintosh so that we can tune our jeeps
> and other vehicles with our own home computers.
>
> I'm a computer programmer, and I think the
> wedding of computer technology to internal
> combustion technology is about the stupidest
> thing I've ever seen. The car manufacturers
> should at least make it easy for us to use
> their silly computer technology.
>
> Tony
>
83248 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:55am
Subject: RE: Re: Hi-Lift Handle Hugger
James,
Yes I did. A few days ago. I think it is a great idea too.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:20 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Hi-Lift Handle Hugger
Joey,
That is very cool. Did you let Mike, that guy that makes them, see
this?
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> Stu,
>
>
>
> Here is another good use for the Handle Hugger.
>
>
>
> Joey K
>
> http://www.desertjeep.com <http://www.desertjeep.com/>
>
> 93YJ
>
>
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83249 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 0:09pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Emissions test
No, you misunderstand what I am saying. Yes, I have
to keep the silly Chrysler computer in my jeep. But,
the engine computer port, (the thing that the DRB plugs into
so that you can scan codes, tune the engine, etc.) is
a proprietary (probably serial) port. It's not a computer
industry standard RS-232, USB or parallel port.
Plus, Chrysler keeps the protocol used by this port
secret. If the engine computer had a standard serial
port and the protocol were published, then I could
write my own software for my home computer or
laptop to pull the coded from the engine computer,
tune the engine, etc.
James Towle wrote:
> Have you ever tried to get a Chrysler box programed? It's not like
> Chevys or Fords. As far as I know, DC won't given anyone the key to
> program their boxes and they don't have programable chips.
>
> As far as swapping computers, I don't think that will fly with this
> testing. The computer has to match the vehicle.
>
> I am sure Joe D. can shed some light on this.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hudson" <mhudson@d...> wrote:
> > it says nothing about internal engine dimensions, or even extarnal
> bolt on equipment.
> > it mearly states that the vehicle must not pull codes when scanned.
> > very easy to build a stroker motor that still runs off the factory
> computer, and pulls no codes, especially if you have a custom chip
> burn'd for your particular application.
> >
> > www.streetflight.com (ask for Dave or Keith)in Mesa has been doing
> a lot of work on obdII chip burning and testing with state emmissions
> facilies as backup.
> >
> > Hot Rods are not on the out, they are just not the old backyard
> built/tuned variety any more.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:16 AM
> > To: AZ_VJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] New Emissions test
> >
> >
> > Joe Daro warned about this, when he was asked a question about
> stroking a TJ
> > 6 cylinder.
> >
> > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0422emissions22.html
> >
> > I guess all vehicles, from 1996-present, must remain stock and
> running up to
> > manufactures specs. The hot rods of the past are over.
> >
> > --James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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83250 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 0:27pm
Subject: [TR] Sycamore Creek - Wednesday, April 23, 2003
Hello All,
Mike Hiett is leading a Sycamore Creek trail run on Wednesday, April 23, 2003.
When: Wednesday 9am meeting
Where: aGiblert and the B-line
Rating: 3.5+
Length:
CB Channel:
Another fun filled mid day run. Entering at the turn off of 4 peaks and coming out at the West end by the "Widowmaker"
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
83251 From: Shaun Girard <spgirard30@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:30pm
Subject: rims and axle
I am on my way to phoenix right now to pick up my new front axle. I have a set of rims for sale and a rear axle for sale on the classifieds page. if anyone is interested I am throwing them in the back of my truck. I will meet you somewhere up there. 50 bucks for the axle and also 50 for the rims. my cell number is 520-730-4864
Thanks
Shaun
Tucson
83252 From: Brad <a292@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:36pm
Subject: Member Discount at Six Points Hardware
I just got back from talking to Don at Six Points Hardware (an Ace
hardware store) and he has agreed to give any member of the
AZVJC a discount as follows:
Grade 8 hardware, 15% off by the piece, 30% off by the box.
Store wide discount of 10% to 20% depending on the item.
Six Points has one of the largest bolt rooms in the valley and is
overall one of the best stocked hardware stores that you will find.
To get the discount you need to talk to Don and let him know you
are a member of the AZVJC.
Six Points Hardware
Don Bertz
1409 N. 19th Ave.
Phoenix, AZ 85009
602-252-6157 800-487-4845
Have a good day
Brad
83253 From: Bill Hooven <whooven@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:42pm
Subject: Re: rims and axle
And just so everyone knows, they appear to be:
Axle: AMC 20 widetrac rear axle
Rims: 4 AR 39 rims for sale they have the CJ bolt pattern and they are 15x8.
That should save everyone from having to look it up to determine if you're interested.
Good luck!
--------------
Bill - Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
--------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Girard
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] rims and axle
I am on my way to phoenix right now to pick up my new front axle. I have a set of rims for sale and a rear axle for sale on the classifieds page. if anyone is interested I am throwing them in the back of my truck. I will meet you somewhere up there. 50 bucks for the axle and also 50 for the rims. my cell number is 520-730-4864
Thanks
Shaun
Tucson
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83254 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:41pm
Subject: Re: New Emissions test
Yeah, and they should get rid of those hoses that are a different
diameter on each end, too!
-Roger (who has to replace his fuel tank filler hoses in order to
pass the new emissions test)
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
wrote:
>
> Oh great, now the f*cking emissions testing stations
> are allowed to have Chrysler DRB 3's, but we're
> still not allowed to buy them? The only thing we
> can get is an aftermarket thing that doesn't do all
> the stuff that the Chrysler DRB 3 does. I think
> that all car manufacturers (especially f*cking
> CHRYSLER) should be required to retrofit
> all engine computers with an RS-232 or USB
> serial port, plus software for Windows, Linux,
> and Macintosh so that we can tune our jeeps
> and other vehicles with our own home computers.
>
> I'm a computer programmer, and I think the
> wedding of computer technology to internal
> combustion technology is about the stupidest
> thing I've ever seen. The car manufacturers
> should at least make it easy for us to use
> their silly computer technology.
>
> Tony
83255 From: Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 3:33pm
Subject: Chicago Electric Tools?
Well, my garage got looted last night and the majority of my tools
were missing. How is the reliabilty if Chicago Electric
Power/Cordless tools? The only things I've bought from them have been
hand tools except the grinder I bought last weekend that was also
liberated last night. Goodness knows I want to get quality stuff but
it's not in the budget right now.
*******s took my new set of torx bits too!
Thanks for the insight,
Phil
83256 From: b h <xjnation@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:02pm
Subject: Best buy for Late model XJ
Hey all,
Where can I get the best buy on a new xj GDI or better radiator
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83257 From: Mike & Karen Acuna <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:04pm
Subject: old warn winch
I have some serial numbers off an old Warn winch...........wanted to know if anyone can identify the winch, and if it can be rebuilt. 5687 24981 I believe the tag says it's rated at 8000lbs. I also have some pictures if it will help.
Thanks,
Mike
98 ZJ
83258 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:13pm
Subject: Best buy for Late model XJ
radiator.com has a 3 core lifetime warranty for my 94, for $129
94xjoe
83259 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 1:03pm
Subject: New Email Address
I changed it in Yahoo groups so I hope it works........I am deleting this email address and will be using SteelPonyCowboy@aol.com if anyone needs to contact me.
MOAB or BUST this weekend :-)
Mike
83262 From: Chris Lindsey <azrubi@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:31pm
Subject: Re: Tail Light Conversion
JP Magazine May 2003 Page 84...
HTH!
Take care,
Chris
>>>-------------------->
Christopher Lindsey
Union Planters Mortgage
8700 E. Via de Ventura
Suite 150
Scottsdale, AZ 85258
http://www.ChrisLindsey.com
480-951-1422 Ext. 300 Main
480-951-1625 FAX
602-577-5988 Cell
>>>-------------------->
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bruce Stropp" <jeep4offrd@h...>
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:01:00 -0000
Subject: [az_vjc] Tail Light Conversion
> I saw in an off road magazine a couple of weeks back, a flush mount,
> round tail light conversion. It had the how to directions, along with
> napa part #s. Does anybody remember seeing this. If so, which mag is
> it in. I cant seem to find it now.
> Thanks, Bruce
>
>
>
>
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>
83264 From: Allan Alexander <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:38pm
Subject: RE: Muffler Shop North West?
I used Muffler Masters on 51st Ave and Glendale. Awesome work and cheap prices&
Allan
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Micek [mailto:micekc@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:29 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Muffler Shop North West?
Anyone have a good muffler shop in the north west valley or other area?
Craig
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83267 From: Jason Blank <rockrdr@h...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:54pm
Subject: Crash on the 202 and scottsdale
I say a Black TJ rolled on the 202 around 4:30 hope everyone is ok...
-RockRDR
__________________________________________________ _______________
83268 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:55pm
Subject: Battery Problems
First off, this is the stock DC battery in my 2000 TJ.
I had my jeep parked and went to start it and nothing. I have had no indications there were any problems until this. I noticed I had no power, a flickering dome light was about it. I popped the hood and the "dummy" indicator on the battery was black as night.
I got a jump and as I was driving home I noticed that the amp gauge (yes I know that it is not 100% accurate) was "pegged" @ 19. When I got it home I pulled the battery, and it appears to be toast. This is the original battery on a 2000 TJ so I figure that it gave up the ghost. Any one have any experiences similar, only to find something other than the battery? I am running some additional electrical accessories, but nothing extreme.
I am considering going to a yellow top Optima, anyone know where I can get one in the east valley tonight?
Thanks,
-Mike Hoyt
83269 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:10pm
Subject: Re: Battery Problems
Additionally, looking at the Optima Yellow's, I assume the dark gray case is the one I want?
-Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Battery Problems
First off, this is the stock DC battery in my 2000 TJ.
I had my jeep parked and went to start it and nothing. I have had no indications there were any problems until this. I noticed I had no power, a flickering dome light was about it. I popped the hood and the "dummy" indicator on the battery was black as night.
I got a jump and as I was driving home I noticed that the amp gauge (yes I know that it is not 100% accurate) was "pegged" @ 19. When I got it home I pulled the battery, and it appears to be toast. This is the original battery on a 2000 TJ so I figure that it gave up the ghost. Any one have any experiences similar, only to find something other than the battery? I am running some additional electrical accessories, but nothing extreme.
I am considering going to a yellow top Optima, anyone know where I can get one in the east valley tonight?
Thanks,
-Mike Hoyt
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83270 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 6:27pm
Subject: Re: Tail Light Conversion
Speaking of tail-light conversions, I just saw a
Jeep CJ at Broadway Road and Mill that
has classic Ford Mustang tail-lights!. heheh.
Tony
Chris Lindsey wrote:
> JP Magazine May 2003 Page 84...
>
> HTH!
>
> Take care,
> Chris
> >>>-------------------->
> Christopher Lindsey
> Union Planters Mortgage
> 8700 E. Via de Ventura
> Suite 150
> Scottsdale, AZ 85258
> http://www.ChrisLindsey.com
> 480-951-1422 Ext. 300 Main
> 480-951-1625 FAX
> 602-577-5988 Cell
> >>>-------------------->
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bruce Stropp" <jeep4offrd@h...>
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:01:00 -0000
> Subject: [az_vjc] Tail Light Conversion
>
> > I saw in an off road magazine a couple of weeks back, a flush mount,
> > round tail light conversion. It had the how to directions, along with
> > napa part #s. Does anybody remember seeing this. If so, which mag is
> > it in. I cant seem to find it now.
> > Thanks, Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
>
>
>
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