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83066 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 10:56am
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
how about we fight to have it called "Jeep Peak"? just a thought...
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83067 From: b h <xjnation@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 3:22pm
Subject: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
James,
You dont have a clue of the real world or how Indians
feel about the name squaw.....the dictonary also says
"niger" is a black person or negro........I live up
with the indians and here the stories of how squaw was
used to talk down to an indian woman...it was a name
given them by us and has always had a negative neaning
....not of their choosing.
I also said the first Aerican Woman killed in active
front line duty...and if you talk to American Indians
the majoring do not like being called native
american...another name given them by us....I deal
with American Indians every day and have many who are
friends,
the law explictly states that no geological,
> geographical site can
> be renamed until 5 years after the death of the
> person. Case in
> point, Cape Canaveral switch to Cape Kenndy and then
> back. This case
> went all the way to the Supreme Court.
James that is a federal law dealing with federal
land...not State land....and my neighbor a lawyer said
that what the board did is legal..maybe not right but
legal....The state is constanlly changing names of
places in our state....I also find it funny that you
stop the description of squaw from websters dictionary
withjout mentioning the final remark: "this term is
now considered offensive 2 a woman esp. one's wife a
mild term of contempt.
Arizona revised statutes:
Article 3 - Historical Names
41-835 - Perpetuation of historical names
41-835.01 - Definition of board
41-835.02 - State board on geographic and historic
names; membership; expenses; quorum; staff support;
chairman
41-835.03 - Powers and duties
41-835.04 - Changes in or additions of geographic or
historic names; submission of proposal; consideration;
action; notice
41-835.05 - Use of names chosen
points of interest:
41-835.03.. the board shall Receive and evaluate all
proposals for changes in or additions to names of
geographic features and places of historical
significance in this state and after this evaluation
designate the most appropriate and acceptable names
and spelling of these names for use in maps and other
official governmental documents.
B. The board may:
1. Adopt rules for the orderly conduct of business.
which means they can supsend their own rules.
The AZ statutes make no reference to a time line for
this process and only people effected by the change be
involved in the revue....since this is state land and
the name of the person attached to the change family
was contacted....the board did what was required. and
since 6 of 8 of board members where present and 5 of
the 6 voted for the change...arizona state statutes
have been made....and our law does not specify which
representatives need to be present...just a majority
...this board has the right under the statute to
change as needed rules which would also mean suspend
portions of the rules as needed to conduct orderly
meetings.... they can in effect under our state law
set their own rules of governing themselves.
41-835.02.
E. A majority of the members constitutes a quorum.
as mentioned before the law only requires a majority
of the board be pressent to vote and no mention of
which ones need be there
And since the Governers office appoints the two public
members of the 8 the others are appointed by other
state regulatory agencies.
They may not have gone about it in the right
fashion..but no Arizona Laws have been broken...dont
believe everything you read in the Arizona
Republic....they are seldem correct on their
informantion...and James it is obvious that you are
misguided and by leaving out vital information on your
quotes from websters makes your quotes no better than
AZ Republic....The law which governs this in the state
of AZ is very ambigious.
--- James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Brian,
>
> You are a bit mis-guided.
>
> First;
> "squaw" from the Webster dictionary:
> Main Entry: squaw
> Pronunciation: 'skwo
> Function: noun
> Etymology: Massachuset squa, ussqua woman
> Date: 1634
> 1 an American Indian woman
> 2 WOMAN, WIFE
>
> Second;
> there was no legal right for the board to take a
> vote. The bylaws of
> this commitee say, there must be a pulbic
> representative present and
> voting on anything to be considered a quarm. One of
> the public
> members resigned and the other didn't show up. The
> Govenor's
> Attorney told the board to vote down the bylaws and
> then they could
> vote.
> If a board is meeting with no bylaws they are no
> longer a governing
> board, they are just a group of people.
> The Govenor's lawyer had no business giving legal
> advice to the
> board.
>
> And third;
> >
> So what this Govenor is doing is getting this state
> in a bunch of
> legal troubles when we can't afford the problems we
> have now. You
> really need to look at the entire picture, before
> you speak out.
> I would also add I would bet this is not the first
> American Native
> to be killed in battle, if you want to get
> technical. I do not have
> a specific name but, I would bet when
> Europeans-Americans were
> coming across this country they killed at least one.
>
> Now then, am I saying this lady does not deserve to
> have a peak
> named after her? NO. There are laws for everything
> and everybody.
> The laws were put in place for reasons. People, from
> us to the top
> government officials, have to follow the laws.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...>
> wrote:
> > I dont see how a 5 to 1 vote can be considered
> > cramming down someones throat...
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > --- k7ant <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> > > Brian,
> > > I don't think there is any problem with this.
> It's
> > > just the way the
> > > governer rammed it down everyone's throat,
> > > threatning to fire people
> > > and bypassing laws.
> > > Bill W
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h
> <xjnation@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > "Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers.
> What
> > > > would the other Families think?" I believe
> that
> > > the
> > > > other famlies dont have a problem with this
> > > >
> > > > Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4
> year
> > > olds,
> > > > who went to fight for ideals she and we
> believed
> > > > in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe
> that
> > > > honoring the first active woman soldier to be
> > > killed
> > > > in front line action is a good thing and
> changing
> > > the
> > > > name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American
> > > indian
> > > > woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom
> and
> > > > democracy is a great idea and even better,
> that we
> > > too
> > > > can be proud of the American Indian heritage
> in
> > > our
> > > > great state. Its about time we recognized the
> > > > positives about of Native American culture and
> not
> > > > just the negatives...
> > > >
> > > > Brian Harmon
> > > > Flagstaff AZ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > > > > MessageROTFLMAO!
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> > > > > To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> MTN
> > > or,
> > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Because we have some Cherokees in the
> group?
> > > > >
> > > > > LOL
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott K
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> MTN
> > > or,
> > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And this has to do with Jeeps
> because...???
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Joey K
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > > >
> > > > > 93YJ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: chaton602phx@a...
> > > > > [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> MTN
> > > or,
> > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw
> peak
> > > MTN
> > > > > for quite some time
> > > > > because the Indians claim "the name Squaw
> peak
> > > is
> > > > > degrading to the Indian
> > > > > woman." It's been an issue for a couple of
> years
> > > I
> > > > > think. I, as well,
> > > > > support our living and mourn our fallen
> troops,
> > > and
> > > > > I agree with the rest of
> > > > > you about this ridiculous name change. if
> > > Napalitano
> > > > > wants to change any
> > > > > names in phoenix (as far as streets or
> roads),
>
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83068 From: Reid Scholes <azturf@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 3:43pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Let's move the shouting match here.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/azvjc_OT/messages
It's time for this to move on. The past few weeks have been full of very
useful info on Jeeps...
Reid
----- Original Message -----
From: "b h" <xjnation@y...>
To: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
> James,
>
> You dont have a clue of the real world or how Indians
> feel about the name squaw.....the dictonary also says
> "niger" is a black person or negro........I live up
> with the indians and here the stories of how squaw was
> used to talk down to an indian woman...it was a name
> given them by us and has always had a negative neaning
> ....not of their choosing.
>
> I also said the first Aerican Woman killed in active
> front line duty...and if you talk to American Indians
> the majoring do not like being called native
> american...another name given them by us....I deal
> with American Indians every day and have many who are
> friends,
>
> the law explictly states that no geological,
> > geographical site can
> > be renamed until 5 years after the death of the
> > person. Case in
> > point, Cape Canaveral switch to Cape Kenndy and then
> > back. This case
> > went all the way to the Supreme Court.
>
> James that is a federal law dealing with federal
> land...not State land....and my neighbor a lawyer said
> that what the board did is legal..maybe not right but
> legal....The state is constanlly changing names of
> places in our state....I also find it funny that you
> stop the description of squaw from websters dictionary
> withjout mentioning the final remark: "this term is
> now considered offensive 2 a woman esp. one's wife a
> mild term of contempt.
>
> Arizona revised statutes:
> Article 3 - Historical Names
> 41-835 - Perpetuation of historical names
> 41-835.01 - Definition of board
> 41-835.02 - State board on geographic and historic
> names; membership; expenses; quorum; staff support;
> chairman
> 41-835.03 - Powers and duties
> 41-835.04 - Changes in or additions of geographic or
> historic names; submission of proposal; consideration;
> action; notice
> 41-835.05 - Use of names chosen
>
>
> points of interest:
>
> 41-835.03.. the board shall Receive and evaluate all
> proposals for changes in or additions to names of
> geographic features and places of historical
> significance in this state and after this evaluation
> designate the most appropriate and acceptable names
> and spelling of these names for use in maps and other
> official governmental documents.
>
> B. The board may:
>
> 1. Adopt rules for the orderly conduct of business.
>
> which means they can supsend their own rules.
>
> The AZ statutes make no reference to a time line for
> this process and only people effected by the change be
> involved in the revue....since this is state land and
> the name of the person attached to the change family
> was contacted....the board did what was required. and
> since 6 of 8 of board members where present and 5 of
> the 6 voted for the change...arizona state statutes
> have been made....and our law does not specify which
> representatives need to be present...just a majority
> ...this board has the right under the statute to
> change as needed rules which would also mean suspend
> portions of the rules as needed to conduct orderly
> meetings.... they can in effect under our state law
> set their own rules of governing themselves.
>
> 41-835.02.
> E. A majority of the members constitutes a quorum.
>
> as mentioned before the law only requires a majority
> of the board be pressent to vote and no mention of
> which ones need be there
>
> And since the Governers office appoints the two public
> members of the 8 the others are appointed by other
> state regulatory agencies.
>
> They may not have gone about it in the right
> fashion..but no Arizona Laws have been broken...dont
> believe everything you read in the Arizona
> Republic....they are seldem correct on their
> informantion...and James it is obvious that you are
> misguided and by leaving out vital information on your
> quotes from websters makes your quotes no better than
> AZ Republic....The law which governs this in the state
> of AZ is very ambigious.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> > Brian,
> >
> > You are a bit mis-guided.
> >
> > First;
> > "squaw" from the Webster dictionary:
> > Main Entry: squaw
> > Pronunciation: 'skwo
> > Function: noun
> > Etymology: Massachuset squa, ussqua woman
> > Date: 1634
> > 1 an American Indian woman
> > 2 WOMAN, WIFE
> >
> > Second;
> > there was no legal right for the board to take a
> > vote. The bylaws of
> > this commitee say, there must be a pulbic
> > representative present and
> > voting on anything to be considered a quarm. One of
> > the public
> > members resigned and the other didn't show up. The
> > Govenor's
> > Attorney told the board to vote down the bylaws and
> > then they could
> > vote.
> > If a board is meeting with no bylaws they are no
> > longer a governing
> > board, they are just a group of people.
> > The Govenor's lawyer had no business giving legal
> > advice to the
> > board.
> >
> > And third;
> > >
> > So what this Govenor is doing is getting this state
> > in a bunch of
> > legal troubles when we can't afford the problems we
> > have now. You
> > really need to look at the entire picture, before
> > you speak out.
> > I would also add I would bet this is not the first
> > American Native
> > to be killed in battle, if you want to get
> > technical. I do not have
> > a specific name but, I would bet when
> > Europeans-Americans were
> > coming across this country they killed at least one.
> >
> > Now then, am I saying this lady does not deserve to
> > have a peak
> > named after her? NO. There are laws for everything
> > and everybody.
> > The laws were put in place for reasons. People, from
> > us to the top
> > government officials, have to follow the laws.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > I dont see how a 5 to 1 vote can be considered
> > > cramming down someones throat...
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > --- k7ant <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> > > > Brian,
> > > > I don't think there is any problem with this.
> > It's
> > > > just the way the
> > > > governer rammed it down everyone's throat,
> > > > threatning to fire people
> > > > and bypassing laws.
> > > > Bill W
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h
> > <xjnation@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > "Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers.
> > What
> > > > > would the other Families think?" I believe
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > other famlies dont have a problem with this
> > > > >
> > > > > Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4
> > year
> > > > olds,
> > > > > who went to fight for ideals she and we
> > believed
> > > > > in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe
> > that
> > > > > honoring the first active woman soldier to be
> > > > killed
> > > > > in front line action is a good thing and
> > changing
> > > > the
> > > > > name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American
> > > > indian
> > > > > woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom
> > and
> > > > > democracy is a great idea and even better,
> > that we
> > > > too
> > > > > can be proud of the American Indian heritage
> > in
> > > > our
> > > > > great state. Its about time we recognized the
> > > > > positives about of Native American culture and
> > not
> > > > > just the negatives...
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Harmon
> > > > > Flagstaff AZ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > MessageROTFLMAO!
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> > > > > > To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> > MTN
> > > > or,
> > > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because we have some Cherokees in the
> > group?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LOL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott K
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> > > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> > MTN
> > > > or,
> > > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And this has to do with Jeeps
> > because...???
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joey K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: chaton602phx@a...
> > > > > > [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> > > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> > MTN
> > > > or,
> > > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw
> > peak
> > > > MTN
> > > > > > for quite some time
> > > > > > because the Indians claim "the name Squaw
> > peak
> > > > is
> > > > > > degrading to the Indian
> > > > > > woman." It's been an issue for a couple of
> > years
> > > > I
> > > > > > think. I, as well,
> > > > > > support our living and mourn our fallen
> > troops,
> > > > and
> > > > > > I agree with the rest of
> > > > > > you about this ridiculous name change. if
> > > > Napalitano
> > > > > > wants to change any
> > > > > > names in phoenix (as far as streets or
> > roads),
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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83069 From: Duffy Ladd <dladd5@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Need some tubing bent............
Rick,
No problem. Make a template out of a coat hanger or thin wall tubing and bring it over or just drive it over. Will be home this week.
Duffy
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I am building new steering for my XJ from 1.25 DOM. I need to have a 10 degree bend in my track bar, and (2) 5 degree bends in my tie rod. Anyone out there with a bender that can do this for me real quick, this weekend, if possible. Duffy, maybe??
I can pay in beer or cash for your time :)
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83070 From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Ok Im done....and sorry if I ruffled any feathers....I will climb down off
the ol soap box now...and...I LOVE YOU GUYS!....
Brian Harmon
88 XJ Laredo
http://xjnation.homestead.com/xjnation.html
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Reid Scholes" <azturf@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>,"b h" <xjnation@y...>
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:43:21 -0700
Let's move the shouting match here.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/azvjc_OT/messages
It's time for this to move on. The past few weeks have been full of very
useful info on Jeeps...
Reid
----- Original Message -----
From: "b h" <xjnation@y...>
To: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
> James,
>
> You dont have a clue of the real world or how Indians
> feel about the name squaw.....the dictonary also says
> "niger" is a black person or negro........I live up
> with the indians and here the stories of how squaw was
> used to talk down to an indian woman...it was a name
> given them by us and has always had a negative neaning
> ....not of their choosing.
>
> I also said the first Aerican Woman killed in active
> front line duty...and if you talk to American Indians
> the majoring do not like being called native
> american...another name given them by us....I deal
> with American Indians every day and have many who are
> friends,
>
> the law explictly states that no geological,
> > geographical site can
> > be renamed until 5 years after the death of the
> > person. Case in
> > point, Cape Canaveral switch to Cape Kenndy and then
> > back. This case
> > went all the way to the Supreme Court.
>
> James that is a federal law dealing with federal
> land...not State land....and my neighbor a lawyer said
> that what the board did is legal..maybe not right but
> legal....The state is constanlly changing names of
> places in our state....I also find it funny that you
> stop the description of squaw from websters dictionary
> withjout mentioning the final remark: "this term is
> now considered offensive 2 a woman esp. one's wife a
> mild term of contempt.
>
> Arizona revised statutes:
> Article 3 - Historical Names
> 41-835 - Perpetuation of historical names
> 41-835.01 - Definition of board
> 41-835.02 - State board on geographic and historic
> names; membership; expenses; quorum; staff support;
> chairman
> 41-835.03 - Powers and duties
> 41-835.04 - Changes in or additions of geographic or
> historic names; submission of proposal; consideration;
> action; notice
> 41-835.05 - Use of names chosen
>
>
> points of interest:
>
> 41-835.03.. the board shall Receive and evaluate all
> proposals for changes in or additions to names of
> geographic features and places of historical
> significance in this state and after this evaluation
> designate the most appropriate and acceptable names
> and spelling of these names for use in maps and other
> official governmental documents.
>
> B. The board may:
>
> 1. Adopt rules for the orderly conduct of business.
>
> which means they can supsend their own rules.
>
> The AZ statutes make no reference to a time line for
> this process and only people effected by the change be
> involved in the revue....since this is state land and
> the name of the person attached to the change family
> was contacted....the board did what was required. and
> since 6 of 8 of board members where present and 5 of
> the 6 voted for the change...arizona state statutes
> have been made....and our law does not specify which
> representatives need to be present...just a majority
> ...this board has the right under the statute to
> change as needed rules which would also mean suspend
> portions of the rules as needed to conduct orderly
> meetings.... they can in effect under our state law
> set their own rules of governing themselves.
>
> 41-835.02.
> E. A majority of the members constitutes a quorum.
>
> as mentioned before the law only requires a majority
> of the board be pressent to vote and no mention of
> which ones need be there
>
> And since the Governers office appoints the two public
> members of the 8 the others are appointed by other
> state regulatory agencies.
>
> They may not have gone about it in the right
> fashion..but no Arizona Laws have been broken...dont
> believe everything you read in the Arizona
> Republic....they are seldem correct on their
> informantion...and James it is obvious that you are
> misguided and by leaving out vital information on your
> quotes from websters makes your quotes no better than
> AZ Republic....The law which governs this in the state
> of AZ is very ambigious.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> > Brian,
> >
> > You are a bit mis-guided.
> >
> > First;
> > "squaw" from the Webster dictionary:
> > Main Entry: squaw
> > Pronunciation: 'skwo
> > Function: noun
> > Etymology: Massachuset squa, ussqua woman
> > Date: 1634
> > 1 an American Indian woman
> > 2 WOMAN, WIFE
> >
> > Second;
> > there was no legal right for the board to take a
> > vote. The bylaws of
> > this commitee say, there must be a pulbic
> > representative present and
> > voting on anything to be considered a quarm. One of
> > the public
> > members resigned and the other didn't show up. The
> > Govenor's
> > Attorney told the board to vote down the bylaws and
> > then they could
> > vote.
> > If a board is meeting with no bylaws they are no
> > longer a governing
> > board, they are just a group of people.
> > The Govenor's lawyer had no business giving legal
> > advice to the
> > board.
> >
> > And third;
> > >
> > So what this Govenor is doing is getting this state
> > in a bunch of
> > legal troubles when we can't afford the problems we
> > have now. You
> > really need to look at the entire picture, before
> > you speak out.
> > I would also add I would bet this is not the first
> > American Native
> > to be killed in battle, if you want to get
> > technical. I do not have
> > a specific name but, I would bet when
> > Europeans-Americans were
> > coming across this country they killed at least one.
> >
> > Now then, am I saying this lady does not deserve to
> > have a peak
> > named after her? NO. There are laws for everything
> > and everybody.
> > The laws were put in place for reasons. People, from
> > us to the top
> > government officials, have to follow the laws.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > I dont see how a 5 to 1 vote can be considered
> > > cramming down someones throat...
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > --- k7ant <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> > > > Brian,
> > > > I don't think there is any problem with this.
> > It's
> > > > just the way the
> > > > governer rammed it down everyone's throat,
> > > > threatning to fire people
> > > > and bypassing laws.
> > > > Bill W
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h
> > <xjnation@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > "Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers.
> > What
> > > > > would the other Families think?" I believe
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > other famlies dont have a problem with this
> > > > >
> > > > > Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4
> > year
> > > > olds,
> > > > > who went to fight for ideals she and we
> > believed
> > > > > in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe
> > that
> > > > > honoring the first active woman soldier to be
> > > > killed
> > > > > in front line action is a good thing and
> > changing
> > > > the
> > > > > name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American
> > > > indian
> > > > > woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom
> > and
> > > > > democracy is a great idea and even better,
> > that we
> > > > too
> > > > > can be proud of the American Indian heritage
> > in
> > > > our
> > > > > great state. Its about time we recognized the
> > > > > positives about of Native American culture and
> > not
> > > > > just the negatives...
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Harmon
> > > > > Flagstaff AZ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > MessageROTFLMAO!
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> > > > > > To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> > MTN
> > > > or,
> > > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because we have some Cherokees in the
> > group?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LOL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott K
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> > > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> > MTN
> > > > or,
> > > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And this has to do with Jeeps
> > because...???
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joey K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: chaton602phx@a...
> > > > > > [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> > > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> > MTN
> > > > or,
> > > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw
> > peak
> > > > MTN
> > > > > > for quite some time
> > > > > > because the Indians claim "the name Squaw
> > peak
> > > > is
> > > > > > degrading to the Indian
> > > > > > woman." It's been an issue for a couple of
> > years
> > > > I
> > > > > > think. I, as well,
> > > > > > support our living and mourn our fallen
> > troops,
> > > > and
> > > > > > I agree with the rest of
> > > > > > you about this ridiculous name change. if
> > > > Napalitano
> > > > > > wants to change any
> > > > > > names in phoenix (as far as streets or
> > roads),
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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83071 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:06pm
Subject: CJ Wont Idle
Just fishing for any possible suggestions. I ran upper woodpecker last weekend and by the time I got home the engine will not idle, runs ok at high rpm but dies as soon as you release the throttle. Specs: 85 CJ-7 258 I-6, Carter BBD(New 2 years ago) all emissions disconnected computer controls by-passed , GM Hei Ignition. Any help would be appreciated.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
83072 From: Scott Legge <slegge1@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:10pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
This does get this subject back on jeeps though from this thread. I was driving in the south end entrance in squaw peak park in my scout (w/ vjc sticker) a park ranger had the audacty to walk up to me and my friends (a recreational high school football organized event) and promptly explain how "this is not an OHV park." and how he "better not see one tire leave the pavement." Which followed up with the coach coming over and inquire what the problem was. The park official explained what LOL "happened" and my coach ripped him a new one demanded his superior's contact information and identification for making a scene over me parking in a clearly designated parking spot And yelling and making a scene and threatening us for something so ridiculous.
Which leads me into why this is such a sore spot for me. Why does the fact that some soldier who by nothing but coincidence is a girl and a minority and isnt infantry is made such a huge deal by the media and now the politicians. What about the whitebread good ole boy from nebraska running through the city with a gun in his hands? He is forgotten. But one person gets one of Phoenix's most beautiful landmarks named after her??? I dont get it. Yes the term Squaw in native american (<-- laying on the policitly correctness pretty thick here) dialect is a derrogitory term with many offensive meanings and some not so offensive. Its part of this state's haritage. Its like the baseball team the "redskins" people protested that but they soon came to grips and accepted the fact its part of this nations history. As unproud as some people are of it it is who we are lets stop ignoring things we arent proud of and hiding them.
$0.02
Scott (will always call it squaw peak) Legge
PS
There are some pretty gnarly trails up in there but jeeps will never know...
----- Original Message -----
From: chaton602phx@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
how about we fight to have it called "Jeep Peak"? just a thought...
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83073 From: Dan Siegel <cj4rox@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: Re: CJ Wont Idle
Mike,
I thought you we're running a ProJection?
Sounds like your idle tubes are clogged. My CJ-7 used to do it all
the time till I switched to a Webber.
Go here:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html
It's a good writeup & tells you how to fix the problem.
If the links no good anymore I have a printed copy I kept in my
garage. I can fax or have Jeff drop it off to you Monday
Dan Siegel
Speed Machine
83074 From: rustydunmire <rustydunmire@m...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:40pm
Subject: Anybody have a plasma cutter?
Does anybody in the club have a plasma cutter? I need to cut some
steel for my rocker gaurds.
Rusty
rustydunmire@m...
83075 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:52pm
Subject: Re: CJ Wont Idle
I would go with a vaccuum leak.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Wixom
To: AZVJC
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 5:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] CJ Wont Idle
Just fishing for any possible suggestions. I ran upper woodpecker last weekend and by the time I got home the engine will not idle, runs ok at high rpm but dies as soon as you release the throttle. Specs: 85 CJ-7 258 I-6, Carter BBD(New 2 years ago) all emissions disconnected computer controls by-passed , GM Hei Ignition. Any help would be appreciated.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
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83076 From: Bob Bergau <sonorancj@q...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:57pm
Subject: Re: Grade 8 hardware
Ditto on Sine Ace Hardware. I've never not found what I was looking
for. However, I had forgotten about Marks Nuts and Bolts I purchased
my awning from him a few years ago, thanks for reminding me Joey I
need to stop in there again and check the store out.
Bob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...> wrote:
> Anyone have a preference of where to get Grade 8 bolts by the box,
> central Phoenix locations prefered? The parts store by the piece is
> getting expensive.
83077 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:02pm
Subject: Re: Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
OK
I bought the Chicago winch. Somebody had to do it. So far so good. It came with the mounting plate that fits my YJ. All I had to get was some 1/2 bolts. Yes the winch bolts were SAE.
I have looked at the document and it does say made in China and the Ramsey says made in USA.
However. if you compare the drawings one is the reverse image of the other. Maybe the Ramsey is assembled in the USA. Anyway I unrolled the winch cable and druge my jeep the whole 100 feet and so far no problems. It comes with a 90 day warranty which I extended for 29 dollars to one year.
So if anyone want to check it out let me know. I have not disassembled it yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Legge
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
I have read TONS of hearsay about these winches. Some about bushings vs. bearings in the motors and other inferior things. If anyone has any real world hands on experience please post ;-)
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: Siade, Randy
To: Donald Whitehead ; Stu Olson ; Arizona Virtual Jeep club
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 6:41 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
That is an exact copy of the Ramsey rep 8000. I have the Ramsey rep 8000 and a guy I work with has the Harbor Freight one and they look completely identical all the way down to the specs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@att.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:34 AM
To: Stu Olson; Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
Subject: [az_vjc] Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
This winch is on sale for $289.
It is 1.8 HP and 8000 lbs (reminds me of superwinch size motors)
Is this worth buying? Stu can you tell I am winch shopping?
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83078 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:14pm
Subject: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Um.... Redskins.... NFL do you mean Cleveland Indians? Atlanta
Braves? Those are the baseball teams! ROFL GO D-Backs!!! :D oh
yeah... Jeep content.... I drove my Jeep today! -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Legge" <slegge1@c...> wrote:
> This does get this subject back on jeeps though from this thread.
I was driving in the south end entrance in squaw peak park in my
scout (w/ vjc sticker) a park ranger had the audacty to walk up to
me and my friends (a recreational high school football organized
event) and promptly explain how "this is not an OHV park." and how
he "better not see one tire leave the pavement." Which followed up
with the coach coming over and inquire what the problem was. The
park official explained what LOL "happened" and my coach ripped him
a new one demanded his superior's contact information and
identification for making a scene over me parking in a clearly
designated parking spot And yelling and making a scene and
threatening us for something so ridiculous.
>
> Which leads me into why this is such a sore spot for me. Why does
the fact that some soldier who by nothing but coincidence is a girl
and a minority and isnt infantry is made such a huge deal by the
media and now the politicians. What about the whitebread good ole
boy from nebraska running through the city with a gun in his hands?
He is forgotten. But one person gets one of Phoenix's most beautiful
landmarks named after her??? I dont get it. Yes the term Squaw in
native american (<-- laying on the policitly correctness pretty
thick here) dialect is a derrogitory term with many offensive
meanings and some not so offensive. Its part of this state's
haritage. Its like the baseball team the "redskins" people protested
that but they soon came to grips and accepted the fact its part of
this nations history. As unproud as some people are of it it is who
we are lets stop ignoring things we arent proud of and hiding them.
>
>
> $0.02
> Scott (will always call it squaw peak) Legge
>
>
> PS
> There are some pretty gnarly trails up in there but jeeps will
never know...
83079 From: chrisboettge <cheesit@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:37pm
Subject: (OT) (FS) Cleaning out Garage
I have a Custom made engine hoist that I haven't used in years
I'm selling it for $65.00
I also have a Jeep Tj Top with no windows for $60.00 also
I was going to use the top for off-roading but was more of a hassle
than it was worth to remove the exsisting and add the other
LaserJet III printer with low toner $50.00
let me know if you're interested I'm at 105th ave and Camelback
83080 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 8:30pm
Subject: Re: Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
I want a PTO winch for my 94 YJ. *whine*
Tony
Donald Whitehead wrote:
> OKI bought the Chicago winch. Somebody had to do it. So far so
> good. It came with the mounting plate that fits my YJ. All I had to
> get was some 1/2 bolts. Yes the winch bolts were SAE.I have looked
> at the document and it does say made in China and the Ramsey says made
> in USA.However. if you compare the drawings one is the reverse image
> of the other. Maybe the Ramsey is assembled in the USA. Anyway I
> unrolled the winch cable and druge my jeep the whole 100 feet and so
> far no problems. It comes with a 90 day warranty which I extended for
> 29 dollars to one year.So if anyone want to check it out let me know.
> I have not disassembled it yet.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Legge
> To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 7:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
> I have read TONS of hearsay about these winches. Some about
> bushings vs. bearings in the motors and other inferior
> things. If anyone has any real world hands on experience
> please post ;-) Scott Legge
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Siade, Randy
> To: Donald Whitehead ; Stu Olson ; Arizona Virtual
> Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 6:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
> That is an exact copy of the Ramsey rep 8000. I
> have the Ramsey rep 8000 and a guy I work with has
> the Harbor Freight one and they look completely
> identical all the way down to the specs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Whitehead
> [mailto:donjodie@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:34 AM
> To: Stu Olson; Arizona Virtual Jeep club
> <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> Subject: [az_vjc] Harbor Freight Chicago
> Winch
>
> This winch is on sale for $289.It is
> 1.8 HP and 8000 lbs (reminds me of
> superwinch size motors)Is this worth
> buying? Stu can you tell I am winch
> shopping?
>
>
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83081 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:47pm
Subject: Harbor Freight has a sale on 20 gal parts cleaning tank
FYI.
Today I went into Harbor Freight to purchase a parts cleaning tank and found
them on sale from $99 to $69 for the deluxe 20 gallon tank (includes
sprayer, pump and automatic lid which closes instantly in the event of a
fire inside the tank.
I put the tank together today and it is very sturdy with quality higher than
I expected.
Joe West
83082 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:55pm
Subject: Fw: 1911
hehe!!! DUH!!! This shoulda gone to the VGC!!! sorry!~!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: OneBdJeep
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] 1911
How much are 1911's goin for? My instructor for CCW carried one (he was MCSO) and I really liked it!
Thx!
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83083 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:57pm
Subject: Wrenching help!
HEY ALL!!!! Chris R may need some help! I was sposed to go over there today and help him put his axle on. I got caught up in things goin on around the house and never made it over. He does not have another vehicle to use this next week so those of you that know him give him a call and see if you can help please!
I just called a little bit ago and didn't get an answer. He probably wont take anymore calls from me!! hehe
thx to all!!!
83084 From: The Acuna Family <jazsam2@c...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 0:18am
Subject: Happy Easter
Happy easter to all you jeepers SAm A.
83085 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 0:53am
Subject: Bush reversing some of Clinton's damage
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0419rollback19.html
Scott K
83086 From: Frank BadAZXJ <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 1:02am
Subject: Re: Joe Daro?!!??
Joes over at Desert Rat on Cave Creek. Give him a call over there.
HTH,
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "brandon_towle" <brandon_towle@h...>
wrote:
> Hey Joe! Are you still alive? I heard you went upto Utah or
> something to crawl around on some rocks. Give me a contact.
> If anyone knows his contact, hook me up.
> Let me know if you still have those skid plates for a ZJ.
> Later on
> Brandon
83087 From: Bob Bergau <sonorancj@q...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:29am
Subject: Happy Easter
Happy Easter to all.
83088 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 7:46am
Subject: HAPPY EASTER TO ALL!!!
and to all a good day!!!
83089 From: purple <purp8@c...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 8:54am
Subject: RE: Re: Joe Daro?!!??
They said he would be back Monday .
Purple .
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank BadAZXJ [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 1:03 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Joe Daro?!!??
Joes over at Desert Rat on Cave Creek. Give him a call over there.
HTH,
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "brandon_towle" <brandon_towle@h...>
wrote:
> Hey Joe! Are you still alive? I heard you went upto Utah or
> something to crawl around on some rocks. Give me a contact.
> If anyone knows his contact, hook me up.
> Let me know if you still have those skid plates for a ZJ.
> Later on
> Brandon
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83090 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 8:56am
Subject: Re: OT: French Companies To Boycott
Resurecting a dead dog.... I was thinking about this post after
seeing the new edition of Jeep magazine I recieved.
Some new editions of the KJ, TJ & WJ are called the "Freedom"
edition. Is this DC's way of capitolising off the war? Maybe they
models were slated to come out before the war on, I don't think so.
Never forget 9/11.
I have recieved quite a few emails that echo the sentaments in this
posting. I have never recieved any saying, Boycott German companies,
or, Boycott Russian companies.
You might be asking, what do the last two paragraphs have to do with
each other? Or maybe you figured it out. Do you know who owns Jeep?
Hint: It isn't an American company.
They won't support us on the field but, they will try to capitolize
off us.
Just something to think about, before you start blasting away on
just one country.
--James
PS - I was going to remove the "OT" because this does have to do
with Jeeps and thus is "on topic", but I decided against it.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike & Karen Acuna" <mkacuna@c...>
wrote:
>
>
__________________________________________________ ___________________
______________________________________
> I never knew a lot of these companies were not American
>
> BETCHA DIDN'T KNOW THIS
> > >
> > > Ever heard of Lagardere SCA? No? Well maybe because it's a
French company. OK .. have you ever heard of Hachette Filipacchi
Media U.S.? Probably not, but Hachette Filipacchi publishes some
magazines you may have heard of. Those magazines would be Elle, Car
&Driver, Women's Day and others. Now it's getting familiar, isn't
it? OK, so we have Car &Driver which is published by Hachette
Filipacchi which is owned by Lagardere SCA which is a French
Corporation.
> > >
> > > So .. are we finished here? No, not quite. It seems that a man
who has been in the news quite a bit of late owns around two percent
of Lagardere SCA. About $90 million dollars worth. His name?
>
> Saddam Hussein.
> > >
> > > Join the "Boycott France" Campaign
> > >
> > > Please review this list of major French companies that
Americans should boycott.
> > >
> > > France has every right to disagree with America. But France
has moved from simple dissent to active hostility toward America.
French President Chirac warned East European nations that if they
side with America, France will oppose their membership in the
European Union.
> > >
> > > This week, William Safire reported in the New York Times that
France has been secretly helping to arm Iraq -- and has been helping
Iraq build long range missiles. These same missiles may soon be used
against American soldiers.
> > >
> > > Just as France is exercising its right to disagree, Americans
can exercise their right to boycott -- and avoid helping companies
and countries that do not stand with America.
> > >
> > > French Products and Companies to Boycott:
> > >
> > > Air France.
> > > Air Liquide.
> > > Airbus.
> > > Alcatel.
> > > Allegra (allergy medication). OOOOH BOY!!!!! This one's
gonna hurt!
> > > Aqualung (including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, US Divers, and
SeaQuest).
> > > AXA Advisors.
> > > Bank of the West (owned by BNP Paribas).
> > > Beneteau (boats).
> > > BF Goodrich (owned by Michelin).
> > > BIC (razors, pens and lighters).
> > > Biotherm (cosmetics).
> > > Black Bush.
> > > Bollinger (champagne).
> > > Car & Driver Magazine.
> > > Cartier. ouch!
> > > Chanel.
> > > Chivas Regal(scotch).
> > > Christian Dior.
> > > Club Med (vacations).
> > > Culligan (owned by Vivendi).
> > > Dannon (yogurt and dairy foods).
> > > DKNY.
> > > Dom Perignon.
> > > Durand Crystal.
> > > Elle Magazine.
> > > Essilor Optical Products.
> > > Evian.
> > > Fina gas stations and Fina Oil (billions invested in Iraqi oil
fields -- guess why they don't want us in there).
> > > First Hawaiian Bank.
> > > George Magazine.
> > > Givenchy.
> > > Glenlivet (scotch).
> > > Hennessy.
> > > Houghton Mifflin (books).
> > > Jacobs Creek (owned by Pernod Ricard since 1989).
> > > Jameson (whiskey).
> > > Jerry Springer (talk show) SHOULDA KNOWN!
> > > Krups (coffee and cappuccino makers).
> > > Lancome.
> > > Le Creuset (cookware).
> > > L'Oreal (health and beauty products).
> > > Louis Vuitton.
> > > Marie Claire.
> > > Martel Cognac.
> > > Maybelline. Mom - stop buying that mascara!
> > > Méphisto (shoes and clothes).
> > > Michelin (tires and auto parts).
> > > Mikasa (crystal and glass).
> > > Moet (champagne).
> > > Motel 6.
> > > Motown Records.
> > > MP3.com.
> > > Mumms (champagne).
> > > Nissan (cars; majority owned by Renault).
> > > Nivea.
> > > Normany Butter.
> > > Parents Magazine.
> > > Peugeot (automobiles).
> > > Pierre Cardin.
> > > Playstation Magazine.
> > > ProScan (owned by Thomson Electronics, France).
> > > Publicis Group (including Saatchi & Saatchi Advertising).
> > > RCA (televisions and electronics; owned by Thomson
Electronics).
> > > Red Magazine.
> > > Red Roof Inns (owned by Accor group in France).
> > > Renault (automobiles).
> > > Road & Track Magazine.
> > > Roquefort cheese (all Roquefort cheese is made in France).
> > > Rowenta (toasters, irons, coffee makers, etc.).
> > > Royal Canadian.
> > > Salomon (skis).
> > > Sierra Software and Computer Games.
> > > Smart & Final.
> > > Sofitel (hotels, owned by Accor).
> > > Sparkletts (water, owned by Danone).
> > > Spencer Gifts.
> > > Sundance Channel.
> > > Taylor Made (golf).
> > > Technicolor.
> > > T-Fal (kitchenware).
> > > Total gas stations.
> > > UbiSoft (computer games).
> > > Uniroyal.
> > > Universal Studios (music, movies and amusement parks (owned by
Vivendi-Universal).
> > > USFilter.
> > > Veritas Group.
> > > Veuve Clicquot Champagne.
> > > Vittel.
> > > Vivendi.
> > > Wild Turkey (bourbon).
> > > Woman's Day Magazine.
> > > Yoplait (The French company Sodiaal owns a 50 percent stake).
> > > Yves Saint Laurent.
> > > Zodiac Inflatable Boats.
> > >
> >Send a message to France that will not be forgotten!
83066 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 10:56am
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
how about we fight to have it called "Jeep Peak"? just a thought...
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83067 From: b h <xjnation@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 3:22pm
Subject: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
James,
You dont have a clue of the real world or how Indians
feel about the name squaw.....the dictonary also says
"niger" is a black person or negro........I live up
with the indians and here the stories of how squaw was
used to talk down to an indian woman...it was a name
given them by us and has always had a negative neaning
....not of their choosing.
I also said the first Aerican Woman killed in active
front line duty...and if you talk to American Indians
the majoring do not like being called native
american...another name given them by us....I deal
with American Indians every day and have many who are
friends,
the law explictly states that no geological,
> geographical site can
> be renamed until 5 years after the death of the
> person. Case in
> point, Cape Canaveral switch to Cape Kenndy and then
> back. This case
> went all the way to the Supreme Court.
James that is a federal law dealing with federal
land...not State land....and my neighbor a lawyer said
that what the board did is legal..maybe not right but
legal....The state is constanlly changing names of
places in our state....I also find it funny that you
stop the description of squaw from websters dictionary
withjout mentioning the final remark: "this term is
now considered offensive 2 a woman esp. one's wife a
mild term of contempt.
Arizona revised statutes:
Article 3 - Historical Names
41-835 - Perpetuation of historical names
41-835.01 - Definition of board
41-835.02 - State board on geographic and historic
names; membership; expenses; quorum; staff support;
chairman
41-835.03 - Powers and duties
41-835.04 - Changes in or additions of geographic or
historic names; submission of proposal; consideration;
action; notice
41-835.05 - Use of names chosen
points of interest:
41-835.03.. the board shall Receive and evaluate all
proposals for changes in or additions to names of
geographic features and places of historical
significance in this state and after this evaluation
designate the most appropriate and acceptable names
and spelling of these names for use in maps and other
official governmental documents.
B. The board may:
1. Adopt rules for the orderly conduct of business.
which means they can supsend their own rules.
The AZ statutes make no reference to a time line for
this process and only people effected by the change be
involved in the revue....since this is state land and
the name of the person attached to the change family
was contacted....the board did what was required. and
since 6 of 8 of board members where present and 5 of
the 6 voted for the change...arizona state statutes
have been made....and our law does not specify which
representatives need to be present...just a majority
...this board has the right under the statute to
change as needed rules which would also mean suspend
portions of the rules as needed to conduct orderly
meetings.... they can in effect under our state law
set their own rules of governing themselves.
41-835.02.
E. A majority of the members constitutes a quorum.
as mentioned before the law only requires a majority
of the board be pressent to vote and no mention of
which ones need be there
And since the Governers office appoints the two public
members of the 8 the others are appointed by other
state regulatory agencies.
They may not have gone about it in the right
fashion..but no Arizona Laws have been broken...dont
believe everything you read in the Arizona
Republic....they are seldem correct on their
informantion...and James it is obvious that you are
misguided and by leaving out vital information on your
quotes from websters makes your quotes no better than
AZ Republic....The law which governs this in the state
of AZ is very ambigious.
--- James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Brian,
>
> You are a bit mis-guided.
>
> First;
> "squaw" from the Webster dictionary:
> Main Entry: squaw
> Pronunciation: 'skwo
> Function: noun
> Etymology: Massachuset squa, ussqua woman
> Date: 1634
> 1 an American Indian woman
> 2 WOMAN, WIFE
>
> Second;
> there was no legal right for the board to take a
> vote. The bylaws of
> this commitee say, there must be a pulbic
> representative present and
> voting on anything to be considered a quarm. One of
> the public
> members resigned and the other didn't show up. The
> Govenor's
> Attorney told the board to vote down the bylaws and
> then they could
> vote.
> If a board is meeting with no bylaws they are no
> longer a governing
> board, they are just a group of people.
> The Govenor's lawyer had no business giving legal
> advice to the
> board.
>
> And third;
> >
> So what this Govenor is doing is getting this state
> in a bunch of
> legal troubles when we can't afford the problems we
> have now. You
> really need to look at the entire picture, before
> you speak out.
> I would also add I would bet this is not the first
> American Native
> to be killed in battle, if you want to get
> technical. I do not have
> a specific name but, I would bet when
> Europeans-Americans were
> coming across this country they killed at least one.
>
> Now then, am I saying this lady does not deserve to
> have a peak
> named after her? NO. There are laws for everything
> and everybody.
> The laws were put in place for reasons. People, from
> us to the top
> government officials, have to follow the laws.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...>
> wrote:
> > I dont see how a 5 to 1 vote can be considered
> > cramming down someones throat...
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > --- k7ant <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> > > Brian,
> > > I don't think there is any problem with this.
> It's
> > > just the way the
> > > governer rammed it down everyone's throat,
> > > threatning to fire people
> > > and bypassing laws.
> > > Bill W
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h
> <xjnation@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > "Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers.
> What
> > > > would the other Families think?" I believe
> that
> > > the
> > > > other famlies dont have a problem with this
> > > >
> > > > Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4
> year
> > > olds,
> > > > who went to fight for ideals she and we
> believed
> > > > in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe
> that
> > > > honoring the first active woman soldier to be
> > > killed
> > > > in front line action is a good thing and
> changing
> > > the
> > > > name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American
> > > indian
> > > > woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom
> and
> > > > democracy is a great idea and even better,
> that we
> > > too
> > > > can be proud of the American Indian heritage
> in
> > > our
> > > > great state. Its about time we recognized the
> > > > positives about of Native American culture and
> not
> > > > just the negatives...
> > > >
> > > > Brian Harmon
> > > > Flagstaff AZ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > > > > MessageROTFLMAO!
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> > > > > To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> MTN
> > > or,
> > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Because we have some Cherokees in the
> group?
> > > > >
> > > > > LOL
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott K
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> MTN
> > > or,
> > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And this has to do with Jeeps
> because...???
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Joey K
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > > >
> > > > > 93YJ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: chaton602phx@a...
> > > > > [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> MTN
> > > or,
> > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw
> peak
> > > MTN
> > > > > for quite some time
> > > > > because the Indians claim "the name Squaw
> peak
> > > is
> > > > > degrading to the Indian
> > > > > woman." It's been an issue for a couple of
> years
> > > I
> > > > > think. I, as well,
> > > > > support our living and mourn our fallen
> troops,
> > > and
> > > > > I agree with the rest of
> > > > > you about this ridiculous name change. if
> > > Napalitano
> > > > > wants to change any
> > > > > names in phoenix (as far as streets or
> roads),
>
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83068 From: Reid Scholes <azturf@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 3:43pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Let's move the shouting match here.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/azvjc_OT/messages
It's time for this to move on. The past few weeks have been full of very
useful info on Jeeps...
Reid
----- Original Message -----
From: "b h" <xjnation@y...>
To: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
> James,
>
> You dont have a clue of the real world or how Indians
> feel about the name squaw.....the dictonary also says
> "niger" is a black person or negro........I live up
> with the indians and here the stories of how squaw was
> used to talk down to an indian woman...it was a name
> given them by us and has always had a negative neaning
> ....not of their choosing.
>
> I also said the first Aerican Woman killed in active
> front line duty...and if you talk to American Indians
> the majoring do not like being called native
> american...another name given them by us....I deal
> with American Indians every day and have many who are
> friends,
>
> the law explictly states that no geological,
> > geographical site can
> > be renamed until 5 years after the death of the
> > person. Case in
> > point, Cape Canaveral switch to Cape Kenndy and then
> > back. This case
> > went all the way to the Supreme Court.
>
> James that is a federal law dealing with federal
> land...not State land....and my neighbor a lawyer said
> that what the board did is legal..maybe not right but
> legal....The state is constanlly changing names of
> places in our state....I also find it funny that you
> stop the description of squaw from websters dictionary
> withjout mentioning the final remark: "this term is
> now considered offensive 2 a woman esp. one's wife a
> mild term of contempt.
>
> Arizona revised statutes:
> Article 3 - Historical Names
> 41-835 - Perpetuation of historical names
> 41-835.01 - Definition of board
> 41-835.02 - State board on geographic and historic
> names; membership; expenses; quorum; staff support;
> chairman
> 41-835.03 - Powers and duties
> 41-835.04 - Changes in or additions of geographic or
> historic names; submission of proposal; consideration;
> action; notice
> 41-835.05 - Use of names chosen
>
>
> points of interest:
>
> 41-835.03.. the board shall Receive and evaluate all
> proposals for changes in or additions to names of
> geographic features and places of historical
> significance in this state and after this evaluation
> designate the most appropriate and acceptable names
> and spelling of these names for use in maps and other
> official governmental documents.
>
> B. The board may:
>
> 1. Adopt rules for the orderly conduct of business.
>
> which means they can supsend their own rules.
>
> The AZ statutes make no reference to a time line for
> this process and only people effected by the change be
> involved in the revue....since this is state land and
> the name of the person attached to the change family
> was contacted....the board did what was required. and
> since 6 of 8 of board members where present and 5 of
> the 6 voted for the change...arizona state statutes
> have been made....and our law does not specify which
> representatives need to be present...just a majority
> ...this board has the right under the statute to
> change as needed rules which would also mean suspend
> portions of the rules as needed to conduct orderly
> meetings.... they can in effect under our state law
> set their own rules of governing themselves.
>
> 41-835.02.
> E. A majority of the members constitutes a quorum.
>
> as mentioned before the law only requires a majority
> of the board be pressent to vote and no mention of
> which ones need be there
>
> And since the Governers office appoints the two public
> members of the 8 the others are appointed by other
> state regulatory agencies.
>
> They may not have gone about it in the right
> fashion..but no Arizona Laws have been broken...dont
> believe everything you read in the Arizona
> Republic....they are seldem correct on their
> informantion...and James it is obvious that you are
> misguided and by leaving out vital information on your
> quotes from websters makes your quotes no better than
> AZ Republic....The law which governs this in the state
> of AZ is very ambigious.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> > Brian,
> >
> > You are a bit mis-guided.
> >
> > First;
> > "squaw" from the Webster dictionary:
> > Main Entry: squaw
> > Pronunciation: 'skwo
> > Function: noun
> > Etymology: Massachuset squa, ussqua woman
> > Date: 1634
> > 1 an American Indian woman
> > 2 WOMAN, WIFE
> >
> > Second;
> > there was no legal right for the board to take a
> > vote. The bylaws of
> > this commitee say, there must be a pulbic
> > representative present and
> > voting on anything to be considered a quarm. One of
> > the public
> > members resigned and the other didn't show up. The
> > Govenor's
> > Attorney told the board to vote down the bylaws and
> > then they could
> > vote.
> > If a board is meeting with no bylaws they are no
> > longer a governing
> > board, they are just a group of people.
> > The Govenor's lawyer had no business giving legal
> > advice to the
> > board.
> >
> > And third;
> > >
> > So what this Govenor is doing is getting this state
> > in a bunch of
> > legal troubles when we can't afford the problems we
> > have now. You
> > really need to look at the entire picture, before
> > you speak out.
> > I would also add I would bet this is not the first
> > American Native
> > to be killed in battle, if you want to get
> > technical. I do not have
> > a specific name but, I would bet when
> > Europeans-Americans were
> > coming across this country they killed at least one.
> >
> > Now then, am I saying this lady does not deserve to
> > have a peak
> > named after her? NO. There are laws for everything
> > and everybody.
> > The laws were put in place for reasons. People, from
> > us to the top
> > government officials, have to follow the laws.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > I dont see how a 5 to 1 vote can be considered
> > > cramming down someones throat...
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > --- k7ant <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> > > > Brian,
> > > > I don't think there is any problem with this.
> > It's
> > > > just the way the
> > > > governer rammed it down everyone's throat,
> > > > threatning to fire people
> > > > and bypassing laws.
> > > > Bill W
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h
> > <xjnation@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > "Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers.
> > What
> > > > > would the other Families think?" I believe
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > other famlies dont have a problem with this
> > > > >
> > > > > Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4
> > year
> > > > olds,
> > > > > who went to fight for ideals she and we
> > believed
> > > > > in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe
> > that
> > > > > honoring the first active woman soldier to be
> > > > killed
> > > > > in front line action is a good thing and
> > changing
> > > > the
> > > > > name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American
> > > > indian
> > > > > woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom
> > and
> > > > > democracy is a great idea and even better,
> > that we
> > > > too
> > > > > can be proud of the American Indian heritage
> > in
> > > > our
> > > > > great state. Its about time we recognized the
> > > > > positives about of Native American culture and
> > not
> > > > > just the negatives...
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Harmon
> > > > > Flagstaff AZ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > MessageROTFLMAO!
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> > > > > > To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> > MTN
> > > > or,
> > > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because we have some Cherokees in the
> > group?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LOL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott K
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> > > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> > MTN
> > > > or,
> > > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And this has to do with Jeeps
> > because...???
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joey K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: chaton602phx@a...
> > > > > > [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> > > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> > MTN
> > > > or,
> > > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw
> > peak
> > > > MTN
> > > > > > for quite some time
> > > > > > because the Indians claim "the name Squaw
> > peak
> > > > is
> > > > > > degrading to the Indian
> > > > > > woman." It's been an issue for a couple of
> > years
> > > > I
> > > > > > think. I, as well,
> > > > > > support our living and mourn our fallen
> > troops,
> > > > and
> > > > > > I agree with the rest of
> > > > > > you about this ridiculous name change. if
> > > > Napalitano
> > > > > > wants to change any
> > > > > > names in phoenix (as far as streets or
> > roads),
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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>
>
83069 From: Duffy Ladd <dladd5@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Need some tubing bent............
Rick,
No problem. Make a template out of a coat hanger or thin wall tubing and bring it over or just drive it over. Will be home this week.
Duffy
\
I am building new steering for my XJ from 1.25 DOM. I need to have a 10 degree bend in my track bar, and (2) 5 degree bends in my tie rod. Anyone out there with a bender that can do this for me real quick, this weekend, if possible. Duffy, maybe??
I can pay in beer or cash for your time :)
Rick 602-430-5638
Got Groceries?
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83070 From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Ok Im done....and sorry if I ruffled any feathers....I will climb down off
the ol soap box now...and...I LOVE YOU GUYS!....
Brian Harmon
88 XJ Laredo
http://xjnation.homestead.com/xjnation.html
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Reid Scholes" <azturf@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>,"b h" <xjnation@y...>
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:43:21 -0700
Let's move the shouting match here.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/azvjc_OT/messages
It's time for this to move on. The past few weeks have been full of very
useful info on Jeeps...
Reid
----- Original Message -----
From: "b h" <xjnation@y...>
To: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
> James,
>
> You dont have a clue of the real world or how Indians
> feel about the name squaw.....the dictonary also says
> "niger" is a black person or negro........I live up
> with the indians and here the stories of how squaw was
> used to talk down to an indian woman...it was a name
> given them by us and has always had a negative neaning
> ....not of their choosing.
>
> I also said the first Aerican Woman killed in active
> front line duty...and if you talk to American Indians
> the majoring do not like being called native
> american...another name given them by us....I deal
> with American Indians every day and have many who are
> friends,
>
> the law explictly states that no geological,
> > geographical site can
> > be renamed until 5 years after the death of the
> > person. Case in
> > point, Cape Canaveral switch to Cape Kenndy and then
> > back. This case
> > went all the way to the Supreme Court.
>
> James that is a federal law dealing with federal
> land...not State land....and my neighbor a lawyer said
> that what the board did is legal..maybe not right but
> legal....The state is constanlly changing names of
> places in our state....I also find it funny that you
> stop the description of squaw from websters dictionary
> withjout mentioning the final remark: "this term is
> now considered offensive 2 a woman esp. one's wife a
> mild term of contempt.
>
> Arizona revised statutes:
> Article 3 - Historical Names
> 41-835 - Perpetuation of historical names
> 41-835.01 - Definition of board
> 41-835.02 - State board on geographic and historic
> names; membership; expenses; quorum; staff support;
> chairman
> 41-835.03 - Powers and duties
> 41-835.04 - Changes in or additions of geographic or
> historic names; submission of proposal; consideration;
> action; notice
> 41-835.05 - Use of names chosen
>
>
> points of interest:
>
> 41-835.03.. the board shall Receive and evaluate all
> proposals for changes in or additions to names of
> geographic features and places of historical
> significance in this state and after this evaluation
> designate the most appropriate and acceptable names
> and spelling of these names for use in maps and other
> official governmental documents.
>
> B. The board may:
>
> 1. Adopt rules for the orderly conduct of business.
>
> which means they can supsend their own rules.
>
> The AZ statutes make no reference to a time line for
> this process and only people effected by the change be
> involved in the revue....since this is state land and
> the name of the person attached to the change family
> was contacted....the board did what was required. and
> since 6 of 8 of board members where present and 5 of
> the 6 voted for the change...arizona state statutes
> have been made....and our law does not specify which
> representatives need to be present...just a majority
> ...this board has the right under the statute to
> change as needed rules which would also mean suspend
> portions of the rules as needed to conduct orderly
> meetings.... they can in effect under our state law
> set their own rules of governing themselves.
>
> 41-835.02.
> E. A majority of the members constitutes a quorum.
>
> as mentioned before the law only requires a majority
> of the board be pressent to vote and no mention of
> which ones need be there
>
> And since the Governers office appoints the two public
> members of the 8 the others are appointed by other
> state regulatory agencies.
>
> They may not have gone about it in the right
> fashion..but no Arizona Laws have been broken...dont
> believe everything you read in the Arizona
> Republic....they are seldem correct on their
> informantion...and James it is obvious that you are
> misguided and by leaving out vital information on your
> quotes from websters makes your quotes no better than
> AZ Republic....The law which governs this in the state
> of AZ is very ambigious.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> > Brian,
> >
> > You are a bit mis-guided.
> >
> > First;
> > "squaw" from the Webster dictionary:
> > Main Entry: squaw
> > Pronunciation: 'skwo
> > Function: noun
> > Etymology: Massachuset squa, ussqua woman
> > Date: 1634
> > 1 an American Indian woman
> > 2 WOMAN, WIFE
> >
> > Second;
> > there was no legal right for the board to take a
> > vote. The bylaws of
> > this commitee say, there must be a pulbic
> > representative present and
> > voting on anything to be considered a quarm. One of
> > the public
> > members resigned and the other didn't show up. The
> > Govenor's
> > Attorney told the board to vote down the bylaws and
> > then they could
> > vote.
> > If a board is meeting with no bylaws they are no
> > longer a governing
> > board, they are just a group of people.
> > The Govenor's lawyer had no business giving legal
> > advice to the
> > board.
> >
> > And third;
> > >
> > So what this Govenor is doing is getting this state
> > in a bunch of
> > legal troubles when we can't afford the problems we
> > have now. You
> > really need to look at the entire picture, before
> > you speak out.
> > I would also add I would bet this is not the first
> > American Native
> > to be killed in battle, if you want to get
> > technical. I do not have
> > a specific name but, I would bet when
> > Europeans-Americans were
> > coming across this country they killed at least one.
> >
> > Now then, am I saying this lady does not deserve to
> > have a peak
> > named after her? NO. There are laws for everything
> > and everybody.
> > The laws were put in place for reasons. People, from
> > us to the top
> > government officials, have to follow the laws.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > I dont see how a 5 to 1 vote can be considered
> > > cramming down someones throat...
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > --- k7ant <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> > > > Brian,
> > > > I don't think there is any problem with this.
> > It's
> > > > just the way the
> > > > governer rammed it down everyone's throat,
> > > > threatning to fire people
> > > > and bypassing laws.
> > > > Bill W
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h
> > <xjnation@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > "Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers.
> > What
> > > > > would the other Families think?" I believe
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > other famlies dont have a problem with this
> > > > >
> > > > > Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4
> > year
> > > > olds,
> > > > > who went to fight for ideals she and we
> > believed
> > > > > in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe
> > that
> > > > > honoring the first active woman soldier to be
> > > > killed
> > > > > in front line action is a good thing and
> > changing
> > > > the
> > > > > name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American
> > > > indian
> > > > > woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom
> > and
> > > > > democracy is a great idea and even better,
> > that we
> > > > too
> > > > > can be proud of the American Indian heritage
> > in
> > > > our
> > > > > great state. Its about time we recognized the
> > > > > positives about of Native American culture and
> > not
> > > > > just the negatives...
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Harmon
> > > > > Flagstaff AZ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > MessageROTFLMAO!
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> > > > > > To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> > MTN
> > > > or,
> > > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because we have some Cherokees in the
> > group?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LOL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott K
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> > > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> > MTN
> > > > or,
> > > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And this has to do with Jeeps
> > because...???
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joey K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: chaton602phx@a...
> > > > > > [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> > > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak
> > MTN
> > > > or,
> > > > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw
> > peak
> > > > MTN
> > > > > > for quite some time
> > > > > > because the Indians claim "the name Squaw
> > peak
> > > > is
> > > > > > degrading to the Indian
> > > > > > woman." It's been an issue for a couple of
> > years
> > > > I
> > > > > > think. I, as well,
> > > > > > support our living and mourn our fallen
> > troops,
> > > > and
> > > > > > I agree with the rest of
> > > > > > you about this ridiculous name change. if
> > > > Napalitano
> > > > > > wants to change any
> > > > > > names in phoenix (as far as streets or
> > roads),
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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83071 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:06pm
Subject: CJ Wont Idle
Just fishing for any possible suggestions. I ran upper woodpecker last weekend and by the time I got home the engine will not idle, runs ok at high rpm but dies as soon as you release the throttle. Specs: 85 CJ-7 258 I-6, Carter BBD(New 2 years ago) all emissions disconnected computer controls by-passed , GM Hei Ignition. Any help would be appreciated.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
83072 From: Scott Legge <slegge1@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:10pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
This does get this subject back on jeeps though from this thread. I was driving in the south end entrance in squaw peak park in my scout (w/ vjc sticker) a park ranger had the audacty to walk up to me and my friends (a recreational high school football organized event) and promptly explain how "this is not an OHV park." and how he "better not see one tire leave the pavement." Which followed up with the coach coming over and inquire what the problem was. The park official explained what LOL "happened" and my coach ripped him a new one demanded his superior's contact information and identification for making a scene over me parking in a clearly designated parking spot And yelling and making a scene and threatening us for something so ridiculous.
Which leads me into why this is such a sore spot for me. Why does the fact that some soldier who by nothing but coincidence is a girl and a minority and isnt infantry is made such a huge deal by the media and now the politicians. What about the whitebread good ole boy from nebraska running through the city with a gun in his hands? He is forgotten. But one person gets one of Phoenix's most beautiful landmarks named after her??? I dont get it. Yes the term Squaw in native american (<-- laying on the policitly correctness pretty thick here) dialect is a derrogitory term with many offensive meanings and some not so offensive. Its part of this state's haritage. Its like the baseball team the "redskins" people protested that but they soon came to grips and accepted the fact its part of this nations history. As unproud as some people are of it it is who we are lets stop ignoring things we arent proud of and hiding them.
$0.02
Scott (will always call it squaw peak) Legge
PS
There are some pretty gnarly trails up in there but jeeps will never know...
----- Original Message -----
From: chaton602phx@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
how about we fight to have it called "Jeep Peak"? just a thought...
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83073 From: Dan Siegel <cj4rox@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: Re: CJ Wont Idle
Mike,
I thought you we're running a ProJection?
Sounds like your idle tubes are clogged. My CJ-7 used to do it all
the time till I switched to a Webber.
Go here:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/carter.html
It's a good writeup & tells you how to fix the problem.
If the links no good anymore I have a printed copy I kept in my
garage. I can fax or have Jeff drop it off to you Monday
Dan Siegel
Speed Machine
83074 From: rustydunmire <rustydunmire@m...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:40pm
Subject: Anybody have a plasma cutter?
Does anybody in the club have a plasma cutter? I need to cut some
steel for my rocker gaurds.
Rusty
rustydunmire@m...
83075 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:52pm
Subject: Re: CJ Wont Idle
I would go with a vaccuum leak.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Wixom
To: AZVJC
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 5:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] CJ Wont Idle
Just fishing for any possible suggestions. I ran upper woodpecker last weekend and by the time I got home the engine will not idle, runs ok at high rpm but dies as soon as you release the throttle. Specs: 85 CJ-7 258 I-6, Carter BBD(New 2 years ago) all emissions disconnected computer controls by-passed , GM Hei Ignition. Any help would be appreciated.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
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83076 From: Bob Bergau <sonorancj@q...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:57pm
Subject: Re: Grade 8 hardware
Ditto on Sine Ace Hardware. I've never not found what I was looking
for. However, I had forgotten about Marks Nuts and Bolts I purchased
my awning from him a few years ago, thanks for reminding me Joey I
need to stop in there again and check the store out.
Bob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...> wrote:
> Anyone have a preference of where to get Grade 8 bolts by the box,
> central Phoenix locations prefered? The parts store by the piece is
> getting expensive.
83077 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:02pm
Subject: Re: Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
OK
I bought the Chicago winch. Somebody had to do it. So far so good. It came with the mounting plate that fits my YJ. All I had to get was some 1/2 bolts. Yes the winch bolts were SAE.
I have looked at the document and it does say made in China and the Ramsey says made in USA.
However. if you compare the drawings one is the reverse image of the other. Maybe the Ramsey is assembled in the USA. Anyway I unrolled the winch cable and druge my jeep the whole 100 feet and so far no problems. It comes with a 90 day warranty which I extended for 29 dollars to one year.
So if anyone want to check it out let me know. I have not disassembled it yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Legge
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
I have read TONS of hearsay about these winches. Some about bushings vs. bearings in the motors and other inferior things. If anyone has any real world hands on experience please post ;-)
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: Siade, Randy
To: Donald Whitehead ; Stu Olson ; Arizona Virtual Jeep club
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 6:41 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
That is an exact copy of the Ramsey rep 8000. I have the Ramsey rep 8000 and a guy I work with has the Harbor Freight one and they look completely identical all the way down to the specs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@att.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:34 AM
To: Stu Olson; Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
Subject: [az_vjc] Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
This winch is on sale for $289.
It is 1.8 HP and 8000 lbs (reminds me of superwinch size motors)
Is this worth buying? Stu can you tell I am winch shopping?
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83078 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:14pm
Subject: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Um.... Redskins.... NFL do you mean Cleveland Indians? Atlanta
Braves? Those are the baseball teams! ROFL GO D-Backs!!! :D oh
yeah... Jeep content.... I drove my Jeep today! -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Legge" <slegge1@c...> wrote:
> This does get this subject back on jeeps though from this thread.
I was driving in the south end entrance in squaw peak park in my
scout (w/ vjc sticker) a park ranger had the audacty to walk up to
me and my friends (a recreational high school football organized
event) and promptly explain how "this is not an OHV park." and how
he "better not see one tire leave the pavement." Which followed up
with the coach coming over and inquire what the problem was. The
park official explained what LOL "happened" and my coach ripped him
a new one demanded his superior's contact information and
identification for making a scene over me parking in a clearly
designated parking spot And yelling and making a scene and
threatening us for something so ridiculous.
>
> Which leads me into why this is such a sore spot for me. Why does
the fact that some soldier who by nothing but coincidence is a girl
and a minority and isnt infantry is made such a huge deal by the
media and now the politicians. What about the whitebread good ole
boy from nebraska running through the city with a gun in his hands?
He is forgotten. But one person gets one of Phoenix's most beautiful
landmarks named after her??? I dont get it. Yes the term Squaw in
native american (<-- laying on the policitly correctness pretty
thick here) dialect is a derrogitory term with many offensive
meanings and some not so offensive. Its part of this state's
haritage. Its like the baseball team the "redskins" people protested
that but they soon came to grips and accepted the fact its part of
this nations history. As unproud as some people are of it it is who
we are lets stop ignoring things we arent proud of and hiding them.
>
>
> $0.02
> Scott (will always call it squaw peak) Legge
>
>
> PS
> There are some pretty gnarly trails up in there but jeeps will
never know...
83079 From: chrisboettge <cheesit@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:37pm
Subject: (OT) (FS) Cleaning out Garage
I have a Custom made engine hoist that I haven't used in years
I'm selling it for $65.00
I also have a Jeep Tj Top with no windows for $60.00 also
I was going to use the top for off-roading but was more of a hassle
than it was worth to remove the exsisting and add the other
LaserJet III printer with low toner $50.00
let me know if you're interested I'm at 105th ave and Camelback
83080 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 8:30pm
Subject: Re: Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
I want a PTO winch for my 94 YJ. *whine*
Tony
Donald Whitehead wrote:
> OKI bought the Chicago winch. Somebody had to do it. So far so
> good. It came with the mounting plate that fits my YJ. All I had to
> get was some 1/2 bolts. Yes the winch bolts were SAE.I have looked
> at the document and it does say made in China and the Ramsey says made
> in USA.However. if you compare the drawings one is the reverse image
> of the other. Maybe the Ramsey is assembled in the USA. Anyway I
> unrolled the winch cable and druge my jeep the whole 100 feet and so
> far no problems. It comes with a 90 day warranty which I extended for
> 29 dollars to one year.So if anyone want to check it out let me know.
> I have not disassembled it yet.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Legge
> To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 7:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
> I have read TONS of hearsay about these winches. Some about
> bushings vs. bearings in the motors and other inferior
> things. If anyone has any real world hands on experience
> please post ;-) Scott Legge
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Siade, Randy
> To: Donald Whitehead ; Stu Olson ; Arizona Virtual
> Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 6:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Harbor Freight Chicago Winch
> That is an exact copy of the Ramsey rep 8000. I
> have the Ramsey rep 8000 and a guy I work with has
> the Harbor Freight one and they look completely
> identical all the way down to the specs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Whitehead
> [mailto:donjodie@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:34 AM
> To: Stu Olson; Arizona Virtual Jeep club
> <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> Subject: [az_vjc] Harbor Freight Chicago
> Winch
>
> This winch is on sale for $289.It is
> 1.8 HP and 8000 lbs (reminds me of
> superwinch size motors)Is this worth
> buying? Stu can you tell I am winch
> shopping?
>
>
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83081 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:47pm
Subject: Harbor Freight has a sale on 20 gal parts cleaning tank
FYI.
Today I went into Harbor Freight to purchase a parts cleaning tank and found
them on sale from $99 to $69 for the deluxe 20 gallon tank (includes
sprayer, pump and automatic lid which closes instantly in the event of a
fire inside the tank.
I put the tank together today and it is very sturdy with quality higher than
I expected.
Joe West
83082 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:55pm
Subject: Fw: 1911
hehe!!! DUH!!! This shoulda gone to the VGC!!! sorry!~!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: OneBdJeep
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] 1911
How much are 1911's goin for? My instructor for CCW carried one (he was MCSO) and I really liked it!
Thx!
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83083 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:57pm
Subject: Wrenching help!
HEY ALL!!!! Chris R may need some help! I was sposed to go over there today and help him put his axle on. I got caught up in things goin on around the house and never made it over. He does not have another vehicle to use this next week so those of you that know him give him a call and see if you can help please!
I just called a little bit ago and didn't get an answer. He probably wont take anymore calls from me!! hehe
thx to all!!!
83084 From: The Acuna Family <jazsam2@c...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 0:18am
Subject: Happy Easter
Happy easter to all you jeepers SAm A.
83085 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 0:53am
Subject: Bush reversing some of Clinton's damage
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0419rollback19.html
Scott K
83086 From: Frank BadAZXJ <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 1:02am
Subject: Re: Joe Daro?!!??
Joes over at Desert Rat on Cave Creek. Give him a call over there.
HTH,
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "brandon_towle" <brandon_towle@h...>
wrote:
> Hey Joe! Are you still alive? I heard you went upto Utah or
> something to crawl around on some rocks. Give me a contact.
> If anyone knows his contact, hook me up.
> Let me know if you still have those skid plates for a ZJ.
> Later on
> Brandon
83087 From: Bob Bergau <sonorancj@q...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:29am
Subject: Happy Easter
Happy Easter to all.
83088 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 7:46am
Subject: HAPPY EASTER TO ALL!!!
and to all a good day!!!
83089 From: purple <purp8@c...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 8:54am
Subject: RE: Re: Joe Daro?!!??
They said he would be back Monday .
Purple .
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank BadAZXJ [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 1:03 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Joe Daro?!!??
Joes over at Desert Rat on Cave Creek. Give him a call over there.
HTH,
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "brandon_towle" <brandon_towle@h...>
wrote:
> Hey Joe! Are you still alive? I heard you went upto Utah or
> something to crawl around on some rocks. Give me a contact.
> If anyone knows his contact, hook me up.
> Let me know if you still have those skid plates for a ZJ.
> Later on
> Brandon
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83090 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 8:56am
Subject: Re: OT: French Companies To Boycott
Resurecting a dead dog.... I was thinking about this post after
seeing the new edition of Jeep magazine I recieved.
Some new editions of the KJ, TJ & WJ are called the "Freedom"
edition. Is this DC's way of capitolising off the war? Maybe they
models were slated to come out before the war on, I don't think so.
Never forget 9/11.
I have recieved quite a few emails that echo the sentaments in this
posting. I have never recieved any saying, Boycott German companies,
or, Boycott Russian companies.
You might be asking, what do the last two paragraphs have to do with
each other? Or maybe you figured it out. Do you know who owns Jeep?
Hint: It isn't an American company.
They won't support us on the field but, they will try to capitolize
off us.
Just something to think about, before you start blasting away on
just one country.
--James
PS - I was going to remove the "OT" because this does have to do
with Jeeps and thus is "on topic", but I decided against it.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike & Karen Acuna" <mkacuna@c...>
wrote:
>
>
__________________________________________________ ___________________
______________________________________
> I never knew a lot of these companies were not American
>
> BETCHA DIDN'T KNOW THIS
> > >
> > > Ever heard of Lagardere SCA? No? Well maybe because it's a
French company. OK .. have you ever heard of Hachette Filipacchi
Media U.S.? Probably not, but Hachette Filipacchi publishes some
magazines you may have heard of. Those magazines would be Elle, Car
&Driver, Women's Day and others. Now it's getting familiar, isn't
it? OK, so we have Car &Driver which is published by Hachette
Filipacchi which is owned by Lagardere SCA which is a French
Corporation.
> > >
> > > So .. are we finished here? No, not quite. It seems that a man
who has been in the news quite a bit of late owns around two percent
of Lagardere SCA. About $90 million dollars worth. His name?
>
> Saddam Hussein.
> > >
> > > Join the "Boycott France" Campaign
> > >
> > > Please review this list of major French companies that
Americans should boycott.
> > >
> > > France has every right to disagree with America. But France
has moved from simple dissent to active hostility toward America.
French President Chirac warned East European nations that if they
side with America, France will oppose their membership in the
European Union.
> > >
> > > This week, William Safire reported in the New York Times that
France has been secretly helping to arm Iraq -- and has been helping
Iraq build long range missiles. These same missiles may soon be used
against American soldiers.
> > >
> > > Just as France is exercising its right to disagree, Americans
can exercise their right to boycott -- and avoid helping companies
and countries that do not stand with America.
> > >
> > > French Products and Companies to Boycott:
> > >
> > > Air France.
> > > Air Liquide.
> > > Airbus.
> > > Alcatel.
> > > Allegra (allergy medication). OOOOH BOY!!!!! This one's
gonna hurt!
> > > Aqualung (including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, US Divers, and
SeaQuest).
> > > AXA Advisors.
> > > Bank of the West (owned by BNP Paribas).
> > > Beneteau (boats).
> > > BF Goodrich (owned by Michelin).
> > > BIC (razors, pens and lighters).
> > > Biotherm (cosmetics).
> > > Black Bush.
> > > Bollinger (champagne).
> > > Car & Driver Magazine.
> > > Cartier. ouch!
> > > Chanel.
> > > Chivas Regal(scotch).
> > > Christian Dior.
> > > Club Med (vacations).
> > > Culligan (owned by Vivendi).
> > > Dannon (yogurt and dairy foods).
> > > DKNY.
> > > Dom Perignon.
> > > Durand Crystal.
> > > Elle Magazine.
> > > Essilor Optical Products.
> > > Evian.
> > > Fina gas stations and Fina Oil (billions invested in Iraqi oil
fields -- guess why they don't want us in there).
> > > First Hawaiian Bank.
> > > George Magazine.
> > > Givenchy.
> > > Glenlivet (scotch).
> > > Hennessy.
> > > Houghton Mifflin (books).
> > > Jacobs Creek (owned by Pernod Ricard since 1989).
> > > Jameson (whiskey).
> > > Jerry Springer (talk show) SHOULDA KNOWN!
> > > Krups (coffee and cappuccino makers).
> > > Lancome.
> > > Le Creuset (cookware).
> > > L'Oreal (health and beauty products).
> > > Louis Vuitton.
> > > Marie Claire.
> > > Martel Cognac.
> > > Maybelline. Mom - stop buying that mascara!
> > > Méphisto (shoes and clothes).
> > > Michelin (tires and auto parts).
> > > Mikasa (crystal and glass).
> > > Moet (champagne).
> > > Motel 6.
> > > Motown Records.
> > > MP3.com.
> > > Mumms (champagne).
> > > Nissan (cars; majority owned by Renault).
> > > Nivea.
> > > Normany Butter.
> > > Parents Magazine.
> > > Peugeot (automobiles).
> > > Pierre Cardin.
> > > Playstation Magazine.
> > > ProScan (owned by Thomson Electronics, France).
> > > Publicis Group (including Saatchi & Saatchi Advertising).
> > > RCA (televisions and electronics; owned by Thomson
Electronics).
> > > Red Magazine.
> > > Red Roof Inns (owned by Accor group in France).
> > > Renault (automobiles).
> > > Road & Track Magazine.
> > > Roquefort cheese (all Roquefort cheese is made in France).
> > > Rowenta (toasters, irons, coffee makers, etc.).
> > > Royal Canadian.
> > > Salomon (skis).
> > > Sierra Software and Computer Games.
> > > Smart & Final.
> > > Sofitel (hotels, owned by Accor).
> > > Sparkletts (water, owned by Danone).
> > > Spencer Gifts.
> > > Sundance Channel.
> > > Taylor Made (golf).
> > > Technicolor.
> > > T-Fal (kitchenware).
> > > Total gas stations.
> > > UbiSoft (computer games).
> > > Uniroyal.
> > > Universal Studios (music, movies and amusement parks (owned by
Vivendi-Universal).
> > > USFilter.
> > > Veritas Group.
> > > Veuve Clicquot Champagne.
> > > Vittel.
> > > Vivendi.
> > > Wild Turkey (bourbon).
> > > Woman's Day Magazine.
> > > Yoplait (The French company Sodiaal owns a 50 percent stake).
> > > Yves Saint Laurent.
> > > Zodiac Inflatable Boats.
> > >
> >Send a message to France that will not be forgotten!