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83016 From: robert_j_rogers <robert.rogers@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:06pm
Subject: Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
At last look (and what I tried to add to the trip report, also pics )
two tires, the Carb, battery, shocks, and some bolts ( trans, drive
shaft, ect...)are missing. I gave the VIN to FS, thay said something
about getting a tow truck in to haul it out. After I stoped laughing
I stated " If the tow truck can reach it and could possibly pull it
out, you would not like the bill. "
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Do not forget that if you move that without authority (police,
insurance
> company, etc.), you can get yourself in trouble. I know that VINs
and such
> had to be given to the proper authorities before vehicles, in worse
shape
> than that one, could be legally removed from the OHV area.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Golden [mailto:mgolden@c...]
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:47 PM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
>
>
> Are there still tires on it? If so I would think it wouldn't be
that
> bad to get a bunch of people to flip it back on it's wheels and
pull it
> out of there. From what I remember, we should be able to drag it
out
> the Indian Springs wash. There may be a couple interesting parts,
but
> it's not like we're worried about damaging the Chevy. :-)
>
> We should probably get it out of there soon before somebody torches
it.
>
> Mike
>
> robert_j_rogers wrote:
> > Ran FR42 today! Not the same without a group. My right tires were
> > dipping thier treads in the lake but was still very passable. PS
the
> > Chevy rollover is still there and starting to be striped. I
stoped by
> > the Froest Station and informed them, I just sent them pics
including
> > the VIN number. If anyone wants to make an attempt to remove it
had
> > better be soon, or else bring a big vacum.
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> >
> >>The stretch of FR42 just past where you make your first approach
to
> >>the lake/river can be flooded out and impassible. This is the
area
> >>where the old engine block sits (visible when the water level is
> >
> > low)
> >
> >>and there are cliffs to the south. If the water level reaches the
> >>high-water marks on those cliffs, the trail is flooded. I have
> >>encountered that in person. We had to backtrack to find an
> >
> > alternate
> >
> >>route. Unfortunately, the alternate route bypasses some of the
fun
> >>stuff on FR42.
> >>
> >>-Roger
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
>
>
>
>
>
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83017 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:18pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] 2001 SAHARA - TECH QUESTION
Unless you have some other kind of serious tranny problem, you are suffering from fluid starvation. Even a properly filled auto tranny in a TJ will have this problem.
For about $40, you can purchase a deep pan from Mopar Performance. Best investment an auto tranny owner can make, IMO.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:45 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] 2001 SAHARA - TECH QUESTION
THIS SAHARA HAS AN AUTOMATIC TRANNY AND WHEN I GET IT ON A GRADE IN 4 WHEEL LOW AND SIT THERE WITH JUST ENOUGH TROTTLE TO KEEP IT FROM MOVING FORWARD ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING GIVES OUT And the jeep starts rolling backwards down the hill in gear and all of a sudden it catches and grabs again anyone ever have or heard of this problem before any input would be appreaciated.....T.C.
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83018 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
Errm, am I getting Lake Pleasant mixed up with Bartlett
and Horseshoe reservoirs? Last I heard, both of those
reservoirs were basically empty? Have they both filled
back up? Or are they also being used to store Colorado
River water?
Tony
robert_j_rogers wrote:
> At last look (and what I tried to add to the trip report, also pics )
> two tires, the Carb, battery, shocks, and some bolts ( trans, drive
> shaft, ect...)are missing. I gave the VIN to FS, thay said something
> about getting a tow truck in to haul it out. After I stoped laughing
> I stated " If the tow truck can reach it and could possibly pull it
> out, you would not like the bill. "
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > Do not forget that if you move that without authority (police,
> insurance
> > company, etc.), you can get yourself in trouble. I know that VINs
> and such
> > had to be given to the proper authorities before vehicles, in worse
> shape
> > than that one, could be legally removed from the OHV area.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Golden [mailto:mgolden@c...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:47 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
> >
> >
> > Are there still tires on it? If so I would think it wouldn't be
> that
> > bad to get a bunch of people to flip it back on it's wheels and
> pull it
> > out of there. From what I remember, we should be able to drag it
> out
> > the Indian Springs wash. There may be a couple interesting parts,
> but
> > it's not like we're worried about damaging the Chevy. :-)
> >
> > We should probably get it out of there soon before somebody torches
> it.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > robert_j_rogers wrote:
> > > Ran FR42 today! Not the same without a group. My right tires were
> > > dipping thier treads in the lake but was still very passable. PS
> the
> > > Chevy rollover is still there and starting to be striped. I
> stoped by
> > > the Froest Station and informed them, I just sent them pics
> including
> > > the VIN number. If anyone wants to make an attempt to remove it
> had
> > > better be soon, or else bring a big vacum.
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > >>The stretch of FR42 just past where you make your first approach
> to
> > >>the lake/river can be flooded out and impassible. This is the
> area
> > >>where the old engine block sits (visible when the water level is
> > >
> > > low)
> > >
> > >>and there are cliffs to the south. If the water level reaches the
> > >>high-water marks on those cliffs, the trail is flooded. I have
> > >>encountered that in person. We had to backtrack to find an
> > >
> > > alternate
> > >
> > >>route. Unfortunately, the alternate route bypasses some of the
> fun
> > >>stuff on FR42.
> > >>
> > >>-Roger
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
--
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83019 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:37pm
Subject: RE: Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
http://www.gf.state.az.us/h_f/edits/lake_levels.html
Looks pretty full... atleast Bartlett does.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:20 PM
To: robert_j_rogers
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
Errm, am I getting Lake Pleasant mixed up with Bartlett
and Horseshoe reservoirs? Last I heard, both of those
reservoirs were basically empty? Have they both filled
back up? Or are they also being used to store Colorado
River water?
Tony
robert_j_rogers wrote:
> At last look (and what I tried to add to the trip report, also pics )
> two tires, the Carb, battery, shocks, and some bolts ( trans, drive
> shaft, ect...)are missing. I gave the VIN to FS, thay said something
> about getting a tow truck in to haul it out. After I stoped laughing
> I stated " If the tow truck can reach it and could possibly pull it
> out, you would not like the bill. "
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > Do not forget that if you move that without authority (police,
> insurance
> > company, etc.), you can get yourself in trouble. I know that VINs
> and such
> > had to be given to the proper authorities before vehicles, in worse
> shape
> > than that one, could be legally removed from the OHV area.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Golden [mailto:mgolden@c...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:47 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
> >
> >
> > Are there still tires on it? If so I would think it wouldn't be
> that
> > bad to get a bunch of people to flip it back on it's wheels and
> pull it
> > out of there. From what I remember, we should be able to drag it
> out
> > the Indian Springs wash. There may be a couple interesting parts,
> but
> > it's not like we're worried about damaging the Chevy. :-)
> >
> > We should probably get it out of there soon before somebody torches
> it.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > robert_j_rogers wrote:
> > > Ran FR42 today! Not the same without a group. My right tires were
> > > dipping thier treads in the lake but was still very passable. PS
> the
> > > Chevy rollover is still there and starting to be striped. I
> stoped by
> > > the Froest Station and informed them, I just sent them pics
> including
> > > the VIN number. If anyone wants to make an attempt to remove it
> had
> > > better be soon, or else bring a big vacum.
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > >>The stretch of FR42 just past where you make your first approach
> to
> > >>the lake/river can be flooded out and impassible. This is the
> area
> > >>where the old engine block sits (visible when the water level is
> > >
> > > low)
> > >
> > >>and there are cliffs to the south. If the water level reaches the
> > >>high-water marks on those cliffs, the trail is flooded. I have
> > >>encountered that in person. We had to backtrack to find an
> > >
> > > alternate
> > >
> > >>route. Unfortunately, the alternate route bypasses some of the
> fun
> > >>stuff on FR42.
> > >>
> > >>-Roger
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
--
Even the safest course is fraught with peril.
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83020 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:55pm
Subject: Re: Cut and Tap SYE question...
I used a circ saw. The RE instructions say to mark the shaft w/ 1" of spline
showing to make your cut. I gave it an extra 1/8 of an inch, to give me some
room to grind the end flat.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Cut and Tap SYE question...
> For those of you who have done the cut and tap SYE... when you cut
> the output shaft, would you rather use a circular saw with metal
> cutting blade or a die grinder? I have access to either of them and
> was wondering which would be the best... -Rob
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
83021 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:56pm
Subject: Re: Superstition Springs Jeep Club Discount!!!!!!
Yup...Darner's is 25% on all parts.
----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep
To: 'Timothy Halbert' ; 'AZ_VJC'
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:40 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Superstition Springs Jeep Club Discount!!!!!!
But I thought Darner was 25% off.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Halbert [mailto:xj4ltr_1988@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 1:27 PM
To: AZ_VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Superstition Springs Jeep Club Discount!!!!!!
AZVJC members now get 15% off parts at Superstition Jeep!!!!! I talked with Dave Gray the parts manager today finally and he agreed to give anybody that mentions the club name a discount. Now everybody \ on the east side wont have to go to Darner anymore. ENJOY!!!!!!
-Tim
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83022 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:09pm
Subject: RE: Cut and Tap SYE question...
Rob,
Die grinder for sure. Make sure you wrap masking tape around the shaft
instead of relying on a mark to know where to cut.
Cut the shaft about 1/16" LONGER than the specification and then use your
die grinder to grind it to the required length.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 5:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Cut and Tap SYE question...
For those of you who have done the cut and tap SYE... when you cut
the output shaft, would you rather use a circular saw with metal
cutting blade or a die grinder? I have access to either of them and
was wondering which would be the best... -Rob
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83023 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:16pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] 2001 SAHARA - TECH QUESTION
Correction...
SECOND best investment an auto tranny owner can make. The FIRST best investment an auto tranny owner can make is to purchase and install a manual transmission.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:18 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] 2001 SAHARA - TECH QUESTION
Unless you have some other kind of serious tranny problem, you are suffering from fluid starvation. Even a properly filled auto tranny in a TJ will have this problem.
For about $40, you can purchase a deep pan from Mopar Performance. Best investment an auto tranny owner can make, IMO.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:45 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] 2001 SAHARA - TECH QUESTION
THIS SAHARA HAS AN AUTOMATIC TRANNY AND WHEN I GET IT ON A GRADE IN 4 WHEEL LOW AND SIT THERE WITH JUST ENOUGH TROTTLE TO KEEP IT FROM MOVING FORWARD ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING GIVES OUT And the jeep starts rolling backwards down the hill in gear and all of a sudden it catches and grabs again anyone ever have or heard of this problem before any input would be appreaciated.....T.C.
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83024 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 5:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some time because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the Indian woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as well, support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with the rest of you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to change any names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should consider changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name as well with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative to a positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John F. Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it almost sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What would the other Families think?
83025 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 9:50pm
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
According to the article on azcentral.com the naming authority waived the waiting period and approved the measure with a 5-1 vote. It seems that it is a done deal.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602phx@aol.com [mailto:chaton602phx@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some time because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the Indian woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as well, support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with the rest of you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to change any names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should consider changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name as well with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative to a positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John F. Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it almost sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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83026 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:07pm
Subject: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Guess what Scott, the naming authority also decided to do away with
their "bylaws" during the meeting. The two volunteer members that
the bylaws require them to have, one resigned and one didn't show
up, there by in order to hold a vote on the nameing, the Govenor's
Attorney told them, they would have to vote out the bylaws. So they
voted out the bylaws then went ahead with the vote for the renaming.
This entire thing reminds me of the last presidentail election, the
difference being, the Democrats can change the rules in this case.
In the election the courts wouldn't allow them to change the rules,
otherwise called laws.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> According to the article on azcentral.com the naming authority
waived the
> waiting period and approved the measure with a 5-1 vote. It seems
that it is
> a done deal.
>
> Scott K
>
83027 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
I still think that "Pistachio Peak" would be a reasonable compromise. =P
Tony
Scott Kruize wrote:
According to the article on azcentral.com the naming authority waived the waiting period and approved the measure with a 5-1 vote. It seems that it is a done deal.Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602phx@aol.com [mailto:chaton602phx@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some time because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the Indian woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as well, support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with the rest of you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to change any names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should consider changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name as well with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative to a positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John F. Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it almost sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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83028 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:50pm
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
I'm not saying what happened is right but rather that it is a done deal (for
now). These waiting periods are put in place for a reason. I wouldn't be
surprised if this ends up in court. I thought the renaming was a good idea,
but believed it should wait the normal 5 years to see if people felt the
same way down the road. The governor definitely overstepped her authority. I
can't wait until the next election. <Grin> I also wouldn't be surprised if
some people started collecting signatures for a recall though the chances of
that succeeding are probably slim.
It reminds me how the Ballpark deal was done despite the people voting
against it. (One those people ended up getting shot, didn't they?) I don't
remember politics being this corrupt when I was growing up in Minnesota. Of
course I was younger then and maybe I didn't notice. It seems that this
state is full of corrupt politicians that play by their own rules. Since I
moved here I have seen 2 governors disgrace themselves (Mecham and
Symington), the ballpark deal, the alternative fuels deal, and now this
scandal.
I really don't know what should be done to clean it up. Hopefully those that
sidestepped the rules will get whats due. Hopefully the Arizona voters
remember this.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Guess what Scott, the naming authority also decided to do away with
their "bylaws" during the meeting. The two volunteer members that
the bylaws require them to have, one resigned and one didn't show
up, there by in order to hold a vote on the nameing, the Govenor's
Attorney told them, they would have to vote out the bylaws. So they
voted out the bylaws then went ahead with the vote for the renaming.
This entire thing reminds me of the last presidentail election, the
difference being, the Democrats can change the rules in this case.
In the election the courts wouldn't allow them to change the rules,
otherwise called laws.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> According to the article on azcentral.com the naming authority
waived the
> waiting period and approved the measure with a 5-1 vote. It seems
that it is
> a done deal.
>
> Scott K
>
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83029 From: brandon_towle <brandon_towle@h...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:54pm
Subject: Joe Daro?!!??
Hey Joe! Are you still alive? I heard you went upto Utah or
something to crawl around on some rocks. Give me a contact.
If anyone knows his contact, hook me up.
Let me know if you still have those skid plates for a ZJ.
Later on
Brandon
83030 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 2:59am
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
And this has to do with Jeeps because&..???
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602phx@aol.com [mailto:chaton602phx@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some time because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the Indian woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as well, support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with the rest of you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to change any names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should consider changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name as well with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative to a positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John F. Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it almost sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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83031 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 3:16am
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
And this has to do with Jeeps because&..???
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602phx@aol.com [mailto:chaton602phx@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some time because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the Indian woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as well, support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with the rest of you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to change any names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should consider changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name as well with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative to a positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John F. Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it almost sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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83032 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:33am
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
ROTFLMAO!
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
To: joey@desertjeep.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
And this has to do with Jeeps because&..???
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602phx@aol.com [mailto:chaton602phx@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some time because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the Indian woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as well, support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with the rest of you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to change any names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should consider changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name as well with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative to a positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John F. Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it almost sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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83033 From: b h <xjnation@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:20am
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
"Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What
would the other Families think?" I believe that the
other famlies dont have a problem with this
Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4 year olds,
who went to fight for ideals she and we believed
in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe that
honoring the first active woman soldier to be killed
in front line action is a good thing and changing the
name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American indian
woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom and
democracy is a great idea and even better, that we too
can be proud of the American Indian heritage in our
great state. Its about time we recognized the
positives about of Native American culture and not
just the negatives...
Brian Harmon
Flagstaff AZ
--- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> MessageROTFLMAO!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or,
> Piestewa Peak?
>
>
> Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
>
> LOL
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or,
> Piestewa Peak?
>
>
> And this has to do with Jeeps because...???
>
>
>
> Joey K
>
> http://www.desertjeep.com
>
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chaton602phx@a...
> [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or,
> Piestewa Peak?
>
>
>
> They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN
> for quite some time
> because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is
> degrading to the Indian
> woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I
> think. I, as well,
> support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and
> I agree with the rest of
> you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano
> wants to change any
> names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe
> she should consider
> changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to
> change that name as well
> with the hope to change the way that street is used
> from a negative to a
> positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the
> past was John F.
> Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her
> part. because it almost
> sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and
> not the other fallen
> soldiers. What would the other Families think?
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
> Terms of Service.
>
>
>
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83034 From: k7ant <k7ant@f...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:42am
Subject: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Please be careful what you say about Cherokees. I am Blond ( when I
had hair), and blue eyed and I am 3/8ths. Iam also from an old
Virginia family too. I don't drive one yet. So just
remember.....Cherokees are very capable.(talk about OT.)
Bill W
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> MessageROTFLMAO!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
>
>
> Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
>
> LOL
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
>
>
> And this has to do with Jeeps because...???
>
>
>
> Joey K
>
> http://www.desertjeep.com
>
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chaton602phx@a... [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
>
>
>
> They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some
time
> because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the
Indian
> woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as
well,
> support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with
the rest of
> you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to
change any
> names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should
consider
> changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name
as well
> with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative
to a
> positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John
F.
> Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it
almost
> sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other
fallen
> soldiers. What would the other Families think?
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
83035 From: k7ant <k7ant@f...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:44am
Subject: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Brian,
I don't think there is any problem with this. It's just the way the
governer rammed it down everyone's throat, threatning to fire people
and bypassing laws.
Bill W
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...> wrote:
> "Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What
> would the other Families think?" I believe that the
> other famlies dont have a problem with this
>
> Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4 year olds,
> who went to fight for ideals she and we believed
> in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe that
> honoring the first active woman soldier to be killed
> in front line action is a good thing and changing the
> name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American indian
> woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom and
> democracy is a great idea and even better, that we too
> can be proud of the American Indian heritage in our
> great state. Its about time we recognized the
> positives about of Native American culture and not
> just the negatives...
>
> Brian Harmon
> Flagstaff AZ
>
>
>
>
> --- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > MessageROTFLMAO!
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> > To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or,
> > Piestewa Peak?
> >
> >
> > Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or,
> > Piestewa Peak?
> >
> >
> > And this has to do with Jeeps because...???
> >
> >
> >
> > Joey K
> >
> > http://www.desertjeep.com
> >
> > 93YJ
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: chaton602phx@a...
> > [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or,
> > Piestewa Peak?
> >
> >
> >
> > They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN
> > for quite some time
> > because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is
> > degrading to the Indian
> > woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I
> > think. I, as well,
> > support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and
> > I agree with the rest of
> > you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano
> > wants to change any
> > names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe
> > she should consider
> > changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to
> > change that name as well
> > with the hope to change the way that street is used
> > from a negative to a
> > positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the
> > past was John F.
> > Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her
> > part. because it almost
> > sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and
> > not the other fallen
> > soldiers. What would the other Families think?
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
> > Terms of Service.
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
> > Terms of Service.
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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83036 From: b h <xjnation@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:51am
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
I dont see how a 5 to 1 vote can be considered
cramming down someones throat...
Brian
--- k7ant <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> Brian,
> I don't think there is any problem with this. It's
> just the way the
> governer rammed it down everyone's throat,
> threatning to fire people
> and bypassing laws.
> Bill W
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...>
> wrote:
> > "Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What
> > would the other Families think?" I believe that
> the
> > other famlies dont have a problem with this
> >
> > Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4 year
> olds,
> > who went to fight for ideals she and we believed
> > in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe that
> > honoring the first active woman soldier to be
> killed
> > in front line action is a good thing and changing
> the
> > name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American
> indian
> > woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom and
> > democracy is a great idea and even better, that we
> too
> > can be proud of the American Indian heritage in
> our
> > great state. Its about time we recognized the
> > positives about of Native American culture and not
> > just the negatives...
> >
> > Brian Harmon
> > Flagstaff AZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > > MessageROTFLMAO!
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> > > To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN
> or,
> > > Piestewa Peak?
> > >
> > >
> > > Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
> > >
> > > LOL
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN
> or,
> > > Piestewa Peak?
> > >
> > >
> > > And this has to do with Jeeps because...???
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joey K
> > >
> > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > >
> > > 93YJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: chaton602phx@a...
> > > [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN
> or,
> > > Piestewa Peak?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak
> MTN
> > > for quite some time
> > > because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak
> is
> > > degrading to the Indian
> > > woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years
> I
> > > think. I, as well,
> > > support our living and mourn our fallen troops,
> and
> > > I agree with the rest of
> > > you about this ridiculous name change. if
> Napalitano
> > > wants to change any
> > > names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads),
> maybe
> > > she should consider
> > > changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting
> to
> > > change that name as well
> > > with the hope to change the way that street is
> used
> > > from a negative to a
> > > positive. I think the name they wanted to use in
> the
> > > past was John F.
> > > Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her
> > > part. because it almost
> > > sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa
> and
> > > not the other fallen
> > > soldiers. What would the other Families think?
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
> Yahoo!
> > > Terms of Service.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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83037 From: k7ant <k7ant@f...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:12am
Subject: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Brian,
I wasn't talking about a 5 to 1 vote. The governer asked for peoples
resignations and to me, IMHO, was only making political hay out of
the whole situation. If it were my daughter, I would rather have
waited the 5 years it was originally setup with, so no politician
could use me and my family for furthering their clout. I saw nothing
wrong with Squaw Peak, and have no problem with it being named after
Piestewa, but lets follow the rules.
JMHO no offense intended or taken.
Bill W
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...> wrote:
> I dont see how a 5 to 1 vote can be considered
> cramming down someones throat...
>
> Brian
>
>
> --- k7ant <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> > Brian,
> > I don't think there is any problem with this. It's
> > just the way the
> > governer rammed it down everyone's throat,
> > threatning to fire people
> > and bypassing laws.
> > Bill W
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > "Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What
> > > would the other Families think?" I believe that
> > the
> > > other famlies dont have a problem with this
> > >
> > > Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4 year
> > olds,
> > > who went to fight for ideals she and we believed
> > > in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe that
> > > honoring the first active woman soldier to be
> > killed
> > > in front line action is a good thing and changing
> > the
> > > name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American
> > indian
> > > woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom and
> > > democracy is a great idea and even better, that we
> > too
> > > can be proud of the American Indian heritage in
> > our
> > > great state. Its about time we recognized the
> > > positives about of Native American culture and not
> > > just the negatives...
> > >
> > > Brian Harmon
> > > Flagstaff AZ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > > > MessageROTFLMAO!
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> > > > To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN
> > or,
> > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
> > > >
> > > > LOL
> > > >
> > > > Scott K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN
> > or,
> > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And this has to do with Jeeps because...???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Joey K
> > > >
> > > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > >
> > > > 93YJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: chaton602phx@a...
> > > > [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN
> > or,
> > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak
> > MTN
> > > > for quite some time
> > > > because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak
> > is
> > > > degrading to the Indian
> > > > woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years
> > I
> > > > think. I, as well,
> > > > support our living and mourn our fallen troops,
> > and
> > > > I agree with the rest of
> > > > you about this ridiculous name change. if
> > Napalitano
> > > > wants to change any
> > > > names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads),
> > maybe
> > > > she should consider
> > > > changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting
> > to
> > > > change that name as well
> > > > with the hope to change the way that street is
> > used
> > > > from a negative to a
> > > > positive. I think the name they wanted to use in
> > the
> > > > past was John F.
> > > > Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her
> > > > part. because it almost
> > > > sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa
> > and
> > > > not the other fallen
> > > > soldiers. What would the other Families think?
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
> > Yahoo!
> > > > Terms of Service.
> > > >
> > > >
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83038 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:52am
Subject: [OT][FS] Twin size reclining/massage/heat/ bed
I have a virtually new twin size bed complete with mattress, box springs,
and the base which:
Elevates head.
Elevates feet.
Multiple vibration settings.
Heat.
and comes with a remote controller.
This would make a GREAT bed for someone's nice garage. <grin>
Sell or trade for ???
Reply via email.
Joe West
83039 From: Rio Harbour <rioshilo@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 9:01am
Subject: Re: Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
There is a very easy way to get in there. One which I could drive my Honda
in through. There is a trail off of Indian Springs wash that comes down and
ends up right below the big hill. I dragged a Toyota out from that point
taking this route.
Rio
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert_j_rogers" <robert.rogers@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
> At last look (and what I tried to add to the trip report, also pics )
> two tires, the Carb, battery, shocks, and some bolts ( trans, drive
> shaft, ect...)are missing. I gave the VIN to FS, thay said something
> about getting a tow truck in to haul it out. After I stoped laughing
> I stated " If the tow truck can reach it and could possibly pull it
> out, you would not like the bill. "
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > Do not forget that if you move that without authority (police,
> insurance
> > company, etc.), you can get yourself in trouble. I know that VINs
> and such
> > had to be given to the proper authorities before vehicles, in worse
> shape
> > than that one, could be legally removed from the OHV area.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Golden [mailto:mgolden@c...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:47 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
> >
> >
> > Are there still tires on it? If so I would think it wouldn't be
> that
> > bad to get a bunch of people to flip it back on it's wheels and
> pull it
> > out of there. From what I remember, we should be able to drag it
> out
> > the Indian Springs wash. There may be a couple interesting parts,
> but
> > it's not like we're worried about damaging the Chevy. :-)
> >
> > We should probably get it out of there soon before somebody torches
> it.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > robert_j_rogers wrote:
> > > Ran FR42 today! Not the same without a group. My right tires were
> > > dipping thier treads in the lake but was still very passable. PS
> the
> > > Chevy rollover is still there and starting to be striped. I
> stoped by
> > > the Froest Station and informed them, I just sent them pics
> including
> > > the VIN number. If anyone wants to make an attempt to remove it
> had
> > > better be soon, or else bring a big vacum.
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > >>The stretch of FR42 just past where you make your first approach
> to
> > >>the lake/river can be flooded out and impassible. This is the
> area
> > >>where the old engine block sits (visible when the water level is
> > >
> > > low)
> > >
> > >>and there are cliffs to the south. If the water level reaches the
> > >>high-water marks on those cliffs, the trail is flooded. I have
> > >>encountered that in person. We had to backtrack to find an
> > >
> > > alternate
> > >
> > >>route. Unfortunately, the alternate route bypasses some of the
> fun
> > >>stuff on FR42.
> > >>
> > >>-Roger
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>
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83040 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 9:13am
Subject: Grade 8 hardware
Anyone have a preference of where to get Grade 8 bolts by the box,
central Phoenix locations prefered? The parts store by the piece is
getting expensive.
83016 From: robert_j_rogers <robert.rogers@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:06pm
Subject: Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
At last look (and what I tried to add to the trip report, also pics )
two tires, the Carb, battery, shocks, and some bolts ( trans, drive
shaft, ect...)are missing. I gave the VIN to FS, thay said something
about getting a tow truck in to haul it out. After I stoped laughing
I stated " If the tow truck can reach it and could possibly pull it
out, you would not like the bill. "
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Do not forget that if you move that without authority (police,
insurance
> company, etc.), you can get yourself in trouble. I know that VINs
and such
> had to be given to the proper authorities before vehicles, in worse
shape
> than that one, could be legally removed from the OHV area.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Golden [mailto:mgolden@c...]
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:47 PM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
>
>
> Are there still tires on it? If so I would think it wouldn't be
that
> bad to get a bunch of people to flip it back on it's wheels and
pull it
> out of there. From what I remember, we should be able to drag it
out
> the Indian Springs wash. There may be a couple interesting parts,
but
> it's not like we're worried about damaging the Chevy. :-)
>
> We should probably get it out of there soon before somebody torches
it.
>
> Mike
>
> robert_j_rogers wrote:
> > Ran FR42 today! Not the same without a group. My right tires were
> > dipping thier treads in the lake but was still very passable. PS
the
> > Chevy rollover is still there and starting to be striped. I
stoped by
> > the Froest Station and informed them, I just sent them pics
including
> > the VIN number. If anyone wants to make an attempt to remove it
had
> > better be soon, or else bring a big vacum.
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> >
> >>The stretch of FR42 just past where you make your first approach
to
> >>the lake/river can be flooded out and impassible. This is the
area
> >>where the old engine block sits (visible when the water level is
> >
> > low)
> >
> >>and there are cliffs to the south. If the water level reaches the
> >>high-water marks on those cliffs, the trail is flooded. I have
> >>encountered that in person. We had to backtrack to find an
> >
> > alternate
> >
> >>route. Unfortunately, the alternate route bypasses some of the
fun
> >>stuff on FR42.
> >>
> >>-Roger
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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83017 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:18pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] 2001 SAHARA - TECH QUESTION
Unless you have some other kind of serious tranny problem, you are suffering from fluid starvation. Even a properly filled auto tranny in a TJ will have this problem.
For about $40, you can purchase a deep pan from Mopar Performance. Best investment an auto tranny owner can make, IMO.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:45 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] 2001 SAHARA - TECH QUESTION
THIS SAHARA HAS AN AUTOMATIC TRANNY AND WHEN I GET IT ON A GRADE IN 4 WHEEL LOW AND SIT THERE WITH JUST ENOUGH TROTTLE TO KEEP IT FROM MOVING FORWARD ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING GIVES OUT And the jeep starts rolling backwards down the hill in gear and all of a sudden it catches and grabs again anyone ever have or heard of this problem before any input would be appreaciated.....T.C.
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83018 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
Errm, am I getting Lake Pleasant mixed up with Bartlett
and Horseshoe reservoirs? Last I heard, both of those
reservoirs were basically empty? Have they both filled
back up? Or are they also being used to store Colorado
River water?
Tony
robert_j_rogers wrote:
> At last look (and what I tried to add to the trip report, also pics )
> two tires, the Carb, battery, shocks, and some bolts ( trans, drive
> shaft, ect...)are missing. I gave the VIN to FS, thay said something
> about getting a tow truck in to haul it out. After I stoped laughing
> I stated " If the tow truck can reach it and could possibly pull it
> out, you would not like the bill. "
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > Do not forget that if you move that without authority (police,
> insurance
> > company, etc.), you can get yourself in trouble. I know that VINs
> and such
> > had to be given to the proper authorities before vehicles, in worse
> shape
> > than that one, could be legally removed from the OHV area.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Golden [mailto:mgolden@c...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:47 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
> >
> >
> > Are there still tires on it? If so I would think it wouldn't be
> that
> > bad to get a bunch of people to flip it back on it's wheels and
> pull it
> > out of there. From what I remember, we should be able to drag it
> out
> > the Indian Springs wash. There may be a couple interesting parts,
> but
> > it's not like we're worried about damaging the Chevy. :-)
> >
> > We should probably get it out of there soon before somebody torches
> it.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > robert_j_rogers wrote:
> > > Ran FR42 today! Not the same without a group. My right tires were
> > > dipping thier treads in the lake but was still very passable. PS
> the
> > > Chevy rollover is still there and starting to be striped. I
> stoped by
> > > the Froest Station and informed them, I just sent them pics
> including
> > > the VIN number. If anyone wants to make an attempt to remove it
> had
> > > better be soon, or else bring a big vacum.
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > >>The stretch of FR42 just past where you make your first approach
> to
> > >>the lake/river can be flooded out and impassible. This is the
> area
> > >>where the old engine block sits (visible when the water level is
> > >
> > > low)
> > >
> > >>and there are cliffs to the south. If the water level reaches the
> > >>high-water marks on those cliffs, the trail is flooded. I have
> > >>encountered that in person. We had to backtrack to find an
> > >
> > > alternate
> > >
> > >>route. Unfortunately, the alternate route bypasses some of the
> fun
> > >>stuff on FR42.
> > >>
> > >>-Roger
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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83019 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:37pm
Subject: RE: Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
http://www.gf.state.az.us/h_f/edits/lake_levels.html
Looks pretty full... atleast Bartlett does.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:20 PM
To: robert_j_rogers
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
Errm, am I getting Lake Pleasant mixed up with Bartlett
and Horseshoe reservoirs? Last I heard, both of those
reservoirs were basically empty? Have they both filled
back up? Or are they also being used to store Colorado
River water?
Tony
robert_j_rogers wrote:
> At last look (and what I tried to add to the trip report, also pics )
> two tires, the Carb, battery, shocks, and some bolts ( trans, drive
> shaft, ect...)are missing. I gave the VIN to FS, thay said something
> about getting a tow truck in to haul it out. After I stoped laughing
> I stated " If the tow truck can reach it and could possibly pull it
> out, you would not like the bill. "
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > Do not forget that if you move that without authority (police,
> insurance
> > company, etc.), you can get yourself in trouble. I know that VINs
> and such
> > had to be given to the proper authorities before vehicles, in worse
> shape
> > than that one, could be legally removed from the OHV area.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Golden [mailto:mgolden@c...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:47 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
> >
> >
> > Are there still tires on it? If so I would think it wouldn't be
> that
> > bad to get a bunch of people to flip it back on it's wheels and
> pull it
> > out of there. From what I remember, we should be able to drag it
> out
> > the Indian Springs wash. There may be a couple interesting parts,
> but
> > it's not like we're worried about damaging the Chevy. :-)
> >
> > We should probably get it out of there soon before somebody torches
> it.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > robert_j_rogers wrote:
> > > Ran FR42 today! Not the same without a group. My right tires were
> > > dipping thier treads in the lake but was still very passable. PS
> the
> > > Chevy rollover is still there and starting to be striped. I
> stoped by
> > > the Froest Station and informed them, I just sent them pics
> including
> > > the VIN number. If anyone wants to make an attempt to remove it
> had
> > > better be soon, or else bring a big vacum.
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > >>The stretch of FR42 just past where you make your first approach
> to
> > >>the lake/river can be flooded out and impassible. This is the
> area
> > >>where the old engine block sits (visible when the water level is
> > >
> > > low)
> > >
> > >>and there are cliffs to the south. If the water level reaches the
> > >>high-water marks on those cliffs, the trail is flooded. I have
> > >>encountered that in person. We had to backtrack to find an
> > >
> > > alternate
> > >
> > >>route. Unfortunately, the alternate route bypasses some of the
> fun
> > >>stuff on FR42.
> > >>
> > >>-Roger
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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83020 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:55pm
Subject: Re: Cut and Tap SYE question...
I used a circ saw. The RE instructions say to mark the shaft w/ 1" of spline
showing to make your cut. I gave it an extra 1/8 of an inch, to give me some
room to grind the end flat.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Cut and Tap SYE question...
> For those of you who have done the cut and tap SYE... when you cut
> the output shaft, would you rather use a circular saw with metal
> cutting blade or a die grinder? I have access to either of them and
> was wondering which would be the best... -Rob
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
83021 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:56pm
Subject: Re: Superstition Springs Jeep Club Discount!!!!!!
Yup...Darner's is 25% on all parts.
----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep
To: 'Timothy Halbert' ; 'AZ_VJC'
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:40 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Superstition Springs Jeep Club Discount!!!!!!
But I thought Darner was 25% off.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Halbert [mailto:xj4ltr_1988@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 1:27 PM
To: AZ_VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Superstition Springs Jeep Club Discount!!!!!!
AZVJC members now get 15% off parts at Superstition Jeep!!!!! I talked with Dave Gray the parts manager today finally and he agreed to give anybody that mentions the club name a discount. Now everybody \ on the east side wont have to go to Darner anymore. ENJOY!!!!!!
-Tim
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83022 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:09pm
Subject: RE: Cut and Tap SYE question...
Rob,
Die grinder for sure. Make sure you wrap masking tape around the shaft
instead of relying on a mark to know where to cut.
Cut the shaft about 1/16" LONGER than the specification and then use your
die grinder to grind it to the required length.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 5:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Cut and Tap SYE question...
For those of you who have done the cut and tap SYE... when you cut
the output shaft, would you rather use a circular saw with metal
cutting blade or a die grinder? I have access to either of them and
was wondering which would be the best... -Rob
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83023 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:16pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] 2001 SAHARA - TECH QUESTION
Correction...
SECOND best investment an auto tranny owner can make. The FIRST best investment an auto tranny owner can make is to purchase and install a manual transmission.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:18 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] 2001 SAHARA - TECH QUESTION
Unless you have some other kind of serious tranny problem, you are suffering from fluid starvation. Even a properly filled auto tranny in a TJ will have this problem.
For about $40, you can purchase a deep pan from Mopar Performance. Best investment an auto tranny owner can make, IMO.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:45 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] 2001 SAHARA - TECH QUESTION
THIS SAHARA HAS AN AUTOMATIC TRANNY AND WHEN I GET IT ON A GRADE IN 4 WHEEL LOW AND SIT THERE WITH JUST ENOUGH TROTTLE TO KEEP IT FROM MOVING FORWARD ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING GIVES OUT And the jeep starts rolling backwards down the hill in gear and all of a sudden it catches and grabs again anyone ever have or heard of this problem before any input would be appreaciated.....T.C.
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83024 From: <chaton602phx@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 5:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some time because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the Indian woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as well, support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with the rest of you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to change any names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should consider changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name as well with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative to a positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John F. Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it almost sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What would the other Families think?
83025 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 9:50pm
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
According to the article on azcentral.com the naming authority waived the waiting period and approved the measure with a 5-1 vote. It seems that it is a done deal.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602phx@aol.com [mailto:chaton602phx@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some time because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the Indian woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as well, support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with the rest of you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to change any names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should consider changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name as well with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative to a positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John F. Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it almost sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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83026 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:07pm
Subject: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Guess what Scott, the naming authority also decided to do away with
their "bylaws" during the meeting. The two volunteer members that
the bylaws require them to have, one resigned and one didn't show
up, there by in order to hold a vote on the nameing, the Govenor's
Attorney told them, they would have to vote out the bylaws. So they
voted out the bylaws then went ahead with the vote for the renaming.
This entire thing reminds me of the last presidentail election, the
difference being, the Democrats can change the rules in this case.
In the election the courts wouldn't allow them to change the rules,
otherwise called laws.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> According to the article on azcentral.com the naming authority
waived the
> waiting period and approved the measure with a 5-1 vote. It seems
that it is
> a done deal.
>
> Scott K
>
83027 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
I still think that "Pistachio Peak" would be a reasonable compromise. =P
Tony
Scott Kruize wrote:
According to the article on azcentral.com the naming authority waived the waiting period and approved the measure with a 5-1 vote. It seems that it is a done deal.Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602phx@aol.com [mailto:chaton602phx@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some time because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the Indian woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as well, support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with the rest of you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to change any names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should consider changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name as well with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative to a positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John F. Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it almost sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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83028 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:50pm
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
I'm not saying what happened is right but rather that it is a done deal (for
now). These waiting periods are put in place for a reason. I wouldn't be
surprised if this ends up in court. I thought the renaming was a good idea,
but believed it should wait the normal 5 years to see if people felt the
same way down the road. The governor definitely overstepped her authority. I
can't wait until the next election. <Grin> I also wouldn't be surprised if
some people started collecting signatures for a recall though the chances of
that succeeding are probably slim.
It reminds me how the Ballpark deal was done despite the people voting
against it. (One those people ended up getting shot, didn't they?) I don't
remember politics being this corrupt when I was growing up in Minnesota. Of
course I was younger then and maybe I didn't notice. It seems that this
state is full of corrupt politicians that play by their own rules. Since I
moved here I have seen 2 governors disgrace themselves (Mecham and
Symington), the ballpark deal, the alternative fuels deal, and now this
scandal.
I really don't know what should be done to clean it up. Hopefully those that
sidestepped the rules will get whats due. Hopefully the Arizona voters
remember this.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Guess what Scott, the naming authority also decided to do away with
their "bylaws" during the meeting. The two volunteer members that
the bylaws require them to have, one resigned and one didn't show
up, there by in order to hold a vote on the nameing, the Govenor's
Attorney told them, they would have to vote out the bylaws. So they
voted out the bylaws then went ahead with the vote for the renaming.
This entire thing reminds me of the last presidentail election, the
difference being, the Democrats can change the rules in this case.
In the election the courts wouldn't allow them to change the rules,
otherwise called laws.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> According to the article on azcentral.com the naming authority
waived the
> waiting period and approved the measure with a 5-1 vote. It seems
that it is
> a done deal.
>
> Scott K
>
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83029 From: brandon_towle <brandon_towle@h...>
Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:54pm
Subject: Joe Daro?!!??
Hey Joe! Are you still alive? I heard you went upto Utah or
something to crawl around on some rocks. Give me a contact.
If anyone knows his contact, hook me up.
Let me know if you still have those skid plates for a ZJ.
Later on
Brandon
83030 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 2:59am
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
And this has to do with Jeeps because&..???
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602phx@aol.com [mailto:chaton602phx@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some time because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the Indian woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as well, support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with the rest of you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to change any names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should consider changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name as well with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative to a positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John F. Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it almost sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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83031 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 3:16am
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
And this has to do with Jeeps because&..???
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602phx@aol.com [mailto:chaton602phx@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some time because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the Indian woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as well, support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with the rest of you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to change any names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should consider changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name as well with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative to a positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John F. Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it almost sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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83032 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:33am
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
ROTFLMAO!
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
To: joey@desertjeep.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
And this has to do with Jeeps because&..???
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602phx@aol.com [mailto:chaton602phx@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some time because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the Indian woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as well, support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with the rest of you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to change any names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should consider changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name as well with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative to a positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John F. Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it almost sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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83033 From: b h <xjnation@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:20am
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
"Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What
would the other Families think?" I believe that the
other famlies dont have a problem with this
Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4 year olds,
who went to fight for ideals she and we believed
in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe that
honoring the first active woman soldier to be killed
in front line action is a good thing and changing the
name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American indian
woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom and
democracy is a great idea and even better, that we too
can be proud of the American Indian heritage in our
great state. Its about time we recognized the
positives about of Native American culture and not
just the negatives...
Brian Harmon
Flagstaff AZ
--- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> MessageROTFLMAO!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or,
> Piestewa Peak?
>
>
> Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
>
> LOL
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or,
> Piestewa Peak?
>
>
> And this has to do with Jeeps because...???
>
>
>
> Joey K
>
> http://www.desertjeep.com
>
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chaton602phx@a...
> [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or,
> Piestewa Peak?
>
>
>
> They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN
> for quite some time
> because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is
> degrading to the Indian
> woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I
> think. I, as well,
> support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and
> I agree with the rest of
> you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano
> wants to change any
> names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe
> she should consider
> changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to
> change that name as well
> with the hope to change the way that street is used
> from a negative to a
> positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the
> past was John F.
> Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her
> part. because it almost
> sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and
> not the other fallen
> soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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> Terms of Service.
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83034 From: k7ant <k7ant@f...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:42am
Subject: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Please be careful what you say about Cherokees. I am Blond ( when I
had hair), and blue eyed and I am 3/8ths. Iam also from an old
Virginia family too. I don't drive one yet. So just
remember.....Cherokees are very capable.(talk about OT.)
Bill W
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> MessageROTFLMAO!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
>
>
> Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
>
> LOL
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
>
>
> And this has to do with Jeeps because...???
>
>
>
> Joey K
>
> http://www.desertjeep.com
>
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chaton602phx@a... [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
>
>
>
> They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN for quite some
time
> because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is degrading to the
Indian
> woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I think. I, as
well,
> support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and I agree with
the rest of
> you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano wants to
change any
> names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe she should
consider
> changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to change that name
as well
> with the hope to change the way that street is used from a negative
to a
> positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the past was John
F.
> Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her part. because it
almost
> sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and not the other
fallen
> soldiers. What would the other Families think?
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
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83035 From: k7ant <k7ant@f...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:44am
Subject: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Brian,
I don't think there is any problem with this. It's just the way the
governer rammed it down everyone's throat, threatning to fire people
and bypassing laws.
Bill W
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...> wrote:
> "Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What
> would the other Families think?" I believe that the
> other famlies dont have a problem with this
>
> Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4 year olds,
> who went to fight for ideals she and we believed
> in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe that
> honoring the first active woman soldier to be killed
> in front line action is a good thing and changing the
> name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American indian
> woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom and
> democracy is a great idea and even better, that we too
> can be proud of the American Indian heritage in our
> great state. Its about time we recognized the
> positives about of Native American culture and not
> just the negatives...
>
> Brian Harmon
> Flagstaff AZ
>
>
>
>
> --- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > MessageROTFLMAO!
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> > To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or,
> > Piestewa Peak?
> >
> >
> > Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or,
> > Piestewa Peak?
> >
> >
> > And this has to do with Jeeps because...???
> >
> >
> >
> > Joey K
> >
> > http://www.desertjeep.com
> >
> > 93YJ
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: chaton602phx@a...
> > [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or,
> > Piestewa Peak?
> >
> >
> >
> > They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak MTN
> > for quite some time
> > because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak is
> > degrading to the Indian
> > woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years I
> > think. I, as well,
> > support our living and mourn our fallen troops, and
> > I agree with the rest of
> > you about this ridiculous name change. if Napalitano
> > wants to change any
> > names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads), maybe
> > she should consider
> > changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting to
> > change that name as well
> > with the hope to change the way that street is used
> > from a negative to a
> > positive. I think the name they wanted to use in the
> > past was John F.
> > Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her
> > part. because it almost
> > sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa and
> > not the other fallen
> > soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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> > Terms of Service.
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
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83036 From: b h <xjnation@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:51am
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
I dont see how a 5 to 1 vote can be considered
cramming down someones throat...
Brian
--- k7ant <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> Brian,
> I don't think there is any problem with this. It's
> just the way the
> governer rammed it down everyone's throat,
> threatning to fire people
> and bypassing laws.
> Bill W
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...>
> wrote:
> > "Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What
> > would the other Families think?" I believe that
> the
> > other famlies dont have a problem with this
> >
> > Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4 year
> olds,
> > who went to fight for ideals she and we believed
> > in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe that
> > honoring the first active woman soldier to be
> killed
> > in front line action is a good thing and changing
> the
> > name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American
> indian
> > woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom and
> > democracy is a great idea and even better, that we
> too
> > can be proud of the American Indian heritage in
> our
> > great state. Its about time we recognized the
> > positives about of Native American culture and not
> > just the negatives...
> >
> > Brian Harmon
> > Flagstaff AZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > > MessageROTFLMAO!
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> > > To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN
> or,
> > > Piestewa Peak?
> > >
> > >
> > > Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
> > >
> > > LOL
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN
> or,
> > > Piestewa Peak?
> > >
> > >
> > > And this has to do with Jeeps because...???
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joey K
> > >
> > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > >
> > > 93YJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: chaton602phx@a...
> > > [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN
> or,
> > > Piestewa Peak?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak
> MTN
> > > for quite some time
> > > because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak
> is
> > > degrading to the Indian
> > > woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years
> I
> > > think. I, as well,
> > > support our living and mourn our fallen troops,
> and
> > > I agree with the rest of
> > > you about this ridiculous name change. if
> Napalitano
> > > wants to change any
> > > names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads),
> maybe
> > > she should consider
> > > changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting
> to
> > > change that name as well
> > > with the hope to change the way that street is
> used
> > > from a negative to a
> > > positive. I think the name they wanted to use in
> the
> > > past was John F.
> > > Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her
> > > part. because it almost
> > > sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa
> and
> > > not the other fallen
> > > soldiers. What would the other Families think?
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
> Yahoo!
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83037 From: k7ant <k7ant@f...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:12am
Subject: Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN or, Piestewa Peak?
Brian,
I wasn't talking about a 5 to 1 vote. The governer asked for peoples
resignations and to me, IMHO, was only making political hay out of
the whole situation. If it were my daughter, I would rather have
waited the 5 years it was originally setup with, so no politician
could use me and my family for furthering their clout. I saw nothing
wrong with Squaw Peak, and have no problem with it being named after
Piestewa, but lets follow the rules.
JMHO no offense intended or taken.
Bill W
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...> wrote:
> I dont see how a 5 to 1 vote can be considered
> cramming down someones throat...
>
> Brian
>
>
> --- k7ant <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> > Brian,
> > I don't think there is any problem with this. It's
> > just the way the
> > governer rammed it down everyone's throat,
> > threatning to fire people
> > and bypassing laws.
> > Bill W
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, b h <xjnation@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > "Piestewa and not the other fallen soldiers. What
> > > would the other Families think?" I believe that
> > the
> > > other famlies dont have a problem with this
> > >
> > > Lori Piestewa was a mother of two, 3 and 4 year
> > olds,
> > > who went to fight for ideals she and we believed
> > > in...she was from Tuba City....and I believe that
> > > honoring the first active woman soldier to be
> > killed
> > > in front line action is a good thing and changing
> > the
> > > name from the deragatory SQUAW to an American
> > indian
> > > woman's name who promotes ideals of freedom and
> > > democracy is a great idea and even better, that we
> > too
> > > can be proud of the American Indian heritage in
> > our
> > > great state. Its about time we recognized the
> > > positives about of Native American culture and not
> > > just the negatives...
> > >
> > > Brian Harmon
> > > Flagstaff AZ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Joe W <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > > > MessageROTFLMAO!
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:16 AM
> > > > To: joey@d...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN
> > or,
> > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Because we have some Cherokees in the group?
> > > >
> > > > LOL
> > > >
> > > > Scott K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:59 AM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN
> > or,
> > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And this has to do with Jeeps because...???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Joey K
> > > >
> > > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > >
> > > > 93YJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: chaton602phx@a...
> > > > [mailto:chaton602phx@a...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:07 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Squaw Peak MTN
> > or,
> > > > Piestewa Peak?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > They've been wanting to rename the "Squaw peak
> > MTN
> > > > for quite some time
> > > > because the Indians claim "the name Squaw peak
> > is
> > > > degrading to the Indian
> > > > woman." It's been an issue for a couple of years
> > I
> > > > think. I, as well,
> > > > support our living and mourn our fallen troops,
> > and
> > > > I agree with the rest of
> > > > you about this ridiculous name change. if
> > Napalitano
> > > > wants to change any
> > > > names in phoenix (as far as streets or roads),
> > maybe
> > > > she should consider
> > > > changing "Vanburen". the city has been wanting
> > to
> > > > change that name as well
> > > > with the hope to change the way that street is
> > used
> > > > from a negative to a
> > > > positive. I think the name they wanted to use in
> > the
> > > > past was John F.
> > > > Kennedy. I think this would be a bad move in her
> > > > part. because it almost
> > > > sounds and looks like she's recognizing Piestewa
> > and
> > > > not the other fallen
> > > > soldiers. What would the other Families think?
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83038 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:52am
Subject: [OT][FS] Twin size reclining/massage/heat/ bed
I have a virtually new twin size bed complete with mattress, box springs,
and the base which:
Elevates head.
Elevates feet.
Multiple vibration settings.
Heat.
and comes with a remote controller.
This would make a GREAT bed for someone's nice garage. <grin>
Sell or trade for ???
Reply via email.
Joe West
83039 From: Rio Harbour <rioshilo@c...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 9:01am
Subject: Re: Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
There is a very easy way to get in there. One which I could drive my Honda
in through. There is a trail off of Indian Springs wash that comes down and
ends up right below the big hill. I dragged a Toyota out from that point
taking this route.
Rio
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert_j_rogers" <robert.rogers@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
> At last look (and what I tried to add to the trip report, also pics )
> two tires, the Carb, battery, shocks, and some bolts ( trans, drive
> shaft, ect...)are missing. I gave the VIN to FS, thay said something
> about getting a tow truck in to haul it out. After I stoped laughing
> I stated " If the tow truck can reach it and could possibly pull it
> out, you would not like the bill. "
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > Do not forget that if you move that without authority (police,
> insurance
> > company, etc.), you can get yourself in trouble. I know that VINs
> and such
> > had to be given to the proper authorities before vehicles, in worse
> shape
> > than that one, could be legally removed from the OHV area.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Golden [mailto:mgolden@c...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:47 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Access thru FR-42 & high lake level
> >
> >
> > Are there still tires on it? If so I would think it wouldn't be
> that
> > bad to get a bunch of people to flip it back on it's wheels and
> pull it
> > out of there. From what I remember, we should be able to drag it
> out
> > the Indian Springs wash. There may be a couple interesting parts,
> but
> > it's not like we're worried about damaging the Chevy. :-)
> >
> > We should probably get it out of there soon before somebody torches
> it.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > robert_j_rogers wrote:
> > > Ran FR42 today! Not the same without a group. My right tires were
> > > dipping thier treads in the lake but was still very passable. PS
> the
> > > Chevy rollover is still there and starting to be striped. I
> stoped by
> > > the Froest Station and informed them, I just sent them pics
> including
> > > the VIN number. If anyone wants to make an attempt to remove it
> had
> > > better be soon, or else bring a big vacum.
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > >>The stretch of FR42 just past where you make your first approach
> to
> > >>the lake/river can be flooded out and impassible. This is the
> area
> > >>where the old engine block sits (visible when the water level is
> > >
> > > low)
> > >
> > >>and there are cliffs to the south. If the water level reaches the
> > >>high-water marks on those cliffs, the trail is flooded. I have
> > >>encountered that in person. We had to backtrack to find an
> > >
> > > alternate
> > >
> > >>route. Unfortunately, the alternate route bypasses some of the
> fun
> > >>stuff on FR42.
> > >>
> > >>-Roger
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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83040 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 9:13am
Subject: Grade 8 hardware
Anyone have a preference of where to get Grade 8 bolts by the box,
central Phoenix locations prefered? The parts store by the piece is
getting expensive.