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82765 From: Kyle Hagan <kyle@u...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:26am
Subject: Rear end
Anybody interested in the rear end I just replaced in my 99TJ? Keep in mind
everything in the pumpkin is pretty much shreded.... If anybody wants it for
parts they can come get it anytime. I need it out of my garage. I will wait
a week and then call the garbage people to come get it. Everything else
should be in good condition. If you want it email me off list.
webmaster@u...
Kyle
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82766 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:29am
Subject: Rodeo-Chediski Fire Help Needed *** URGENT ***
I just received a call from Dave Sherman, they have a boy scout
troop coming up the week of April 26th to remove wood, however they
cannot cut it down. Originally this weekend a mennenite group was
coming up to do the cutting, but have backed out at the last
minute. They DESPERATELY need people who can cut down trees this
weekend so that the boy scouts can haul it away when they come up.
Do we have any tree cutters? Can anyone make it up there this
weekend (yes I know it is Easter weekend, how about Friday and
Saturday instead of Sunday)? Let's get creative if we can and
figure out what days who can help.
Please contact me if you can make it, I need to call Dave back by
tomorrow and let him know. He is very sorry for the short notice.
We are still working out details for a full follow up run, this is
just something that they had fall through and really need help fast
and pretty much took over all talks in their meeting Friday.
Feel free to email me or call me at 623-340-0885.
Thanks,
Chris
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82767 From: Daver <daver@i...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:34am
Subject: Re: Rodeo-Chediski Fire Help Needed *** URGENT ***
?????
I thought there was still a court injunction prohibiting cutting? Did that
get cleared up finally?
Sorry, I can't help, I have family from WI and CA in town this weekend...
At 04:29 PM 4/15/2003 +0000, Chris wrote:
>I just received a call from Dave Sherman, they have a boy scout
>troop coming up the week of April 26th to remove wood, however they
>cannot cut it down. Originally this weekend a mennenite group was
>coming up to do the cutting, but have backed out at the last
>minute. They DESPERATELY need people who can cut down trees this
>weekend so that the boy scouts can haul it away when they come up.
>
>Do we have any tree cutters? Can anyone make it up there this
>weekend (yes I know it is Easter weekend, how about Friday and
>Saturday instead of Sunday)? Let's get creative if we can and
>figure out what days who can help.
>
>Please contact me if you can make it, I need to call Dave back by
>tomorrow and let him know. He is very sorry for the short notice.
>
>We are still working out details for a full follow up run, this is
>just something that they had fall through and really need help fast
>and pretty much took over all talks in their meeting Friday.
>
>Feel free to email me or call me at 623-340-0885.
>
>Thanks,
>Chris
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82768 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:36am
Subject: RE: Brake line brackets/RE upper control arms
Can you not use an O clamp?
-----Original Message-----
From: John DeRuiter [mailto:wm7a@msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 12:17 PM
To: az_vjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Brake line brackets/RE upper control arms
I just installed REs adjustable upper control arms in the rear of the 1998 TJ. There is a bracket on the emergency brake cables and rear brake line that allow them to be bolted to the stock control arms. There is, however, no way to bolt these to the new RE arms. What, if anything, have you folks been doing to reattach these brackets?
John DeRuiter
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82769 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:35am
Subject: RE: state land permit
Andrew,
The only permit needed for "casual use" is on State Trust Lands in
Arizona......... this amounts to approx. 9.3 million acres and the bad part
of this is most are not "signed" so you don't know when/where you're on STL.
The other issue is you normally have to "cross State Trust Lands" to get to
public lands........ in other words....... be safe, purchase a $20.00
permit. Attached is some information about the State Trust Rec Permit and
where you can purchase them...... all but 4-Wheeler still have permits. As
soon as each of us run out the only place one can purchase permits will be
the State Land Offices and the PLIC.
You can also obtain "color coded" maps of the whole state and/or smaller
specific areas (topo's) from the Public Lands Information Center (PLIC) at
222 N. Central, Phx. (Southwest corner of Central & Van Buren). The PLIC
is actually within the main lobby of the Bureau of Land Management. If you
park in the ACE parking garage on Van Buren between Central and 1st
AVENUE..... the PLIC will validate your parking. These maps are very
inexpensive and they will print them for you while you wait...........
they're definitely worth the money.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: andrew broughton [mailto:andrewb855@aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:57 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] state land permit
>
>
> im going to be taking the family camping this weekend probably out by
> lake pleasant. do i need a state permit or something else to go?if so
> where do i get one.i live near paridise valley.don't want to get some
> stupid fine for the sake of a $20 permit. what other permits should i
> have for going wheel'n. any help would be great
> thanks andrew
>
>
>
>
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Attachment: (application/msword) ASLD RECREATIONAL USE PERMIT CLARIFICATION.doc [not stored]
82770 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:40am
Subject: Re: Rodeo-Chediski Fire Help Needed *** URGENT ***
OOOOOOOOoooooooohhhhhhhhhhh,
I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK
I sleep all night and I work all day,
I cut down trees, I skip and jump.
In panties and a bra........
Oh wait, that is a different thread.
Are you needing bodies, or bodies that come complete with chain saws?
Sorry about the Monty Python thing, it's genetic, I had no choice.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> I just received a call from Dave Sherman, they have a boy scout
> troop coming up the week of April 26th to remove wood, however they
> cannot cut it down. Originally this weekend a mennenite group was
> coming up to do the cutting, but have backed out at the last
> minute. They DESPERATELY need people who can cut down trees this
> weekend so that the boy scouts can haul it away when they come up.
>
> Do we have any tree cutters? Can anyone make it up there this
> weekend (yes I know it is Easter weekend, how about Friday and
> Saturday instead of Sunday)? Let's get creative if we can and
> figure out what days who can help.
>
> Please contact me if you can make it, I need to call Dave back by
> tomorrow and let him know. He is very sorry for the short notice.
>
> We are still working out details for a full follow up run, this is
> just something that they had fall through and really need help fast
> and pretty much took over all talks in their meeting Friday.
>
> Feel free to email me or call me at 623-340-0885.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
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82771 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:43am
Subject: Re: Rodeo-Chediski Fire Help Needed *** URGENT ***
They are in need of bodies with chainsaws or bodies that are
experienced. They have 2 chainsaws up there and do have protective
equipment(glasses, gloves and chaps and can get more).
Chris
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--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...> wrote:
> OOOOOOOOoooooooohhhhhhhhhhh,
> I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK
> I sleep all night and I work all day,
> I cut down trees, I skip and jump.
> In panties and a bra........
>
> Oh wait, that is a different thread.
>
> Are you needing bodies, or bodies that come complete with chain
saws?
>
> Sorry about the Monty Python thing, it's genetic, I had no choice.
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> > I just received a call from Dave Sherman, they have a boy scout
> > troop coming up the week of April 26th to remove wood, however
they
> > cannot cut it down. Originally this weekend a mennenite group
was
> > coming up to do the cutting, but have backed out at the last
> > minute. They DESPERATELY need people who can cut down trees
this
> > weekend so that the boy scouts can haul it away when they come
up.
> >
> > Do we have any tree cutters? Can anyone make it up there this
> > weekend (yes I know it is Easter weekend, how about Friday and
> > Saturday instead of Sunday)? Let's get creative if we can and
> > figure out what days who can help.
> >
> > Please contact me if you can make it, I need to call Dave back
by
> > tomorrow and let him know. He is very sorry for the short
notice.
> >
> > We are still working out details for a full follow up run, this
is
> > just something that they had fall through and really need help
fast
> > and pretty much took over all talks in their meeting Friday.
> >
> > Feel free to email me or call me at 623-340-0885.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> -
82772 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:52am
Subject: RE: Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use (STL) Permits...
I hope that no club members believe that because 4 Wheelers can no longer get permits, that this then becomes a valid reason for not having one. Since the permitting process can be initiated by a phone call or one can be obtained in person at the land office....well, you take it from there.
Stu (just playing the roll of the common sense Jeep owner person)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Legge [mailto:slegge1@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 6:52 AM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use (STL) Permits...
IF they can't supply them can you still get in trouble for not having one??? I mean there are places around that sell them but this seems like one hell of a catch 22. Almost a hassle to follow the law. Dont get me wrong I do intend on purchasing one. But damn.
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: barry brummett
To: Stu Olson ; Joe West ; Arizona Virtual Jeep club
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 6:37 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use (STL) Permits...
We are not able to get the permits to sell. That's why. The department in charge of the program has lost its funding and is unable to supply the permits.
Barry
Stu Olson <solson8@qwest.net> wrote:
maybe too much of a hassle? (just a guess)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@synopsys.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:06 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club
Subject: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
(STL) Permits...
Anyone know why?
Joe West
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82773 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:38am
Subject: Thanks to the following individuals for contributing to Hunter Offroad's Stolen Ramp
I'd like to publicly thank the following individuals for their contribution
to the Hunter Offroad Ramp Fund:
Michael Hoyt
Stu Olson
Brad Kilgore
Scott Kruize
Michael Wixom
Gary Holmes
Shawn Passmore
Scott Bruns
Bill Hooven
John DeRuiter
For those who wish to contribute, you can paypal funds to:
arizonajeep@c...
The purpose of this fund is to assist John at Hunter Offroad in replacing
his Ramp Travel Index (RTI) Ramp which was stolen. As a group, many of us
have used this ramp over the last couple of years so I thought it would be
nice if we helped John replace the ramp (especially since he built it for us
for AZVJC BBQ 1).
For those who were going to contribute parts such as spindles, bearings,
wheels and tires for the ramp... could you please contact me offline so I
can arrange to pick this stuff up?
Kind Regards,
Joe West
82774 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:35am
Subject: State Land Rec Permits
Sorry all.......... have been out of town all week.
Re the permits and 4-Wheeler Supply:
Because of the standing with Tammy's job and the OHV Rec Program within the
Land Dept. the permit issue is on hold. Those of us that still had permits
are able to sell them........ 4-Wheelers simply ran out and the Land Dept.
(Tammy) cannot distribute more to anyone until something is settled re what
the program will do. Tammy's immediate supervisor does not like anything
about OHV and/or the fact that anyone from the "public" sells the permits.
He knows full well the numbers have more than doubled but that doesn't make
musch difference to this guy.
I've asked Tammy what she wants done.......... we can easily do a "letter
campaign" to the new Commissioner and Tammy's supervisor but at this time it
would only make things miserable for Tammy so please just get a permit
wherever you can for now.
I have attached a list of where permits can still be obtained.........
other than 4-Wheelers Supply.
Sandee
Attachment: (application/msword) ASLD RECREATIONAL USE PERMIT CLARIFICATION.doc [not stored]
82775 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:35am
Subject: RE: What's the future of Cottonwood Rd access to FJ
The National Guard helped the ASLD make the "parking" area at the Hwy 79
entrance to Cottonwood Canyon Rd....... They are talking of a "loading
ramp" for ATV's and motorcycles. If this is abused and recreationists go
beyond the fenced area..... riding, parking, doing donuts, etc the entire
area will be closed to our use so hopefully we will ALL play our part and
help police the area. Yes, there will be a gate installed
eventually........... when the National Guard are training, Cottonwood
Canyon will be closed to "THROUGH TRAFFIC" while the ANG are in the area.
We will need to enter the area from Hwy 60, through Superior or through Box
Canyon.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: highjeeps [mailto:highupjeep@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 11:56 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] What's the future of Cottonwood Rd access to FJ
>
>
> I was out at FJ yesterday (been a while) and noticed the build up at
> the Cottonwood Rd. entrance. That is the parking area now has a big
> log fence around the perimeter and it looks like a gate could be
> installed in the future limiting access (just a guess). Does this mean
> we may loose free access to this area sometime soon or is this
> nothing to worry about? (I haven't noticed any other discussions on
> this).
> Larry
>
>
>
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82776 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:45am
Subject: RE: Re: [TR] Martinez Canyon - Saturday, April 12, 2003 - Reminder
Martinez Canyon is open to "casual" use until such time the private owner
posts PRIVATE PROPERTY, NO TRESPASSING signs...... this has not been done
to my knowledge. For "permitted events" such as Jamboree, we cannot cross
private property because we must literally obtain "permission" to cross
these properties and we cannot obtain permission from the group owning
Martinez.
I tried working with Tucson BLM re getting the exact private property lines
to see if we could "go around" the private property at the mill and at the
mines themselves at the top of the mountain. (they ACTUALLY did check it
out with the Classic Bronco Club members) There is no way around
either......... it's either up the side of a rock wall or off a cliff......
We will continue working with the owners to see if we can reach an agreement
but it doesn't look positive.........The reason for the lack of permission
is the "users" entering the mill and mines. They are destroying and
outright stealing property. These kinds of thoughtless actions will end up
closing many areas to us in the near future.
For the present time ............ "casual users" can still do Martinez
Canyon........ my guess is Tucson will eventually close the entire canyon
to us......... just like Jawbreaker........ just like they're trying to do
with Lower Woodpecker!!!
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Peterson [mailto:stinger75ih@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] Martinez Canyon - Saturday, April 12, 2003 -
> Reminder
>
>
> I thought the actual canyon was signed and closed due to private
> property at the old mining area. Meaning you can go up to it, or up
> and around the way you usually come out; but you can not cross the
> private property.
>
> Sandee? What is the real status of the canyon?
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> >
>
>
>
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82777 From: horatiohhornblower <jc1796@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:50am
Subject: Good destinations around Farmington, NM?
Folks:
Planning a trip around the Four Corners area. I want to do some
wheeling - I know there are a lot of serious trails around
Farmington, but I'm looking for something easier (3.0-) and something
cool to look at when I get there. Perhaps some ruins or a ghost town
or something. Anyone have any suggestions?
My TJ is lifted and has some minor mods, but it's my daily driver and
I can't break it. I'd appreciate any input. Thanks!
JC
82778 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:51am
Subject: New shoes for Rubi, need advice
Soliciting opinions, educated and otherwise, regarding what kind of
tires I should go with once the lift is on.
I will be putting on the Rubicon Express 3.5 Super Flex kit, and then
upgrading to 33" tires (gotta' get that skid plate away from the
ground). I am going with 285/75R16 on the stock rims. That part is
decided.
Now to the question part. Looking at another set of MTRs or BFG KOs
or TrXus. Can't go wrong with MTRs, the BFGs have that rim protector
thing that is kinda cool, and the TrXus seem very cool (Interco
baby!), but I want to be sure they don't wind up being another
Thornbird, and they are only 2 ply sidewall.
Where is the best place to get any of these tires?
82779 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:52am
Subject: RE: Re: Box Canyon or Martinez Cabin?
Bulldog Wash permit and Mesa Ranger Dist are both Tonto National
Forest............. There are a couple of F/S trails that are gated and
access is with a special permit but the rest of PUBLIC lands are accessable
to casual use. State Trust Lands are not (9.3 million acres) 'public'
lands. I've attached an information sheet about State Trust Lands Rec.
Permit. All listed still have permits except 4-Wheeler Supply..........
hopefully we can get them back into the loop SOON!!!
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Hudson [mailto:mhudson@durrant.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:28 PM
> To: Kent Warner; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Box Canyon or Martinez Cabin?
>
>
> what about that ranger station in Mesa?
> the place you get the Bulldog canyon permit...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@qwest.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:26 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Box Canyon or Martinez Cabin?
>
>
> I was in 4 Wheelers the other day and they said that they don't sell
> them any more. Anyone know what Gov't office a person would have to
> go stand in line in to get one, cuz I was out there yesterday and I
> don't have one.
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > No worries here. I just assumed (incorrectly on my part), that you
> were new
> > to the list..
> > I'm not sure where, in the Phoenix area to get the STL permits (I'm
> in
> > Tucson)..
> > You can get them from the State Building, for sure.. I believe that
> > 4Wheelers, and maybe some of the other 4-wheel drive shops have
> them.
> > Someone will hopefully chime in here with some specifics for you.
> >
> > Fred
Attachment: (application/msword) ASLD RECREATIONAL USE PERMIT CLARIFICATION.doc [not stored]
82780 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:57am
Subject: RE: State Land Rec Permits
Sandee,
I just wrote a letter to the Governer and every single state Senator asking
that SOMETHING be done to create a web based registration system... and
offering to do the code necessary for free.
If you could provide me (in private) the name of Tammy's supervisor, and
Tammy's supervisor's supervisor.. and as high up the food chain as you
can... I will work the issue in a "top down" approach.
Please provide me whatever information you can.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 9:35 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] State Land Rec Permits
Sorry all.......... have been out of town all week.
Re the permits and 4-Wheeler Supply:
Because of the standing with Tammy's job and the OHV Rec Program within the
Land Dept. the permit issue is on hold. Those of us that still had permits
are able to sell them........ 4-Wheelers simply ran out and the Land Dept.
(Tammy) cannot distribute more to anyone until something is settled re what
the program will do. Tammy's immediate supervisor does not like anything
about OHV and/or the fact that anyone from the "public" sells the permits.
He knows full well the numbers have more than doubled but that doesn't make
musch difference to this guy.
I've asked Tammy what she wants done.......... we can easily do a "letter
campaign" to the new Commissioner and Tammy's supervisor but at this time it
would only make things miserable for Tammy so please just get a permit
wherever you can for now.
I have attached a list of where permits can still be obtained.........
other than 4-Wheelers Supply.
Sandee
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82781 From: Dan Schwartz <azdanimal@e...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:02am
Subject: Any runs for Saturday the 19th??
Is anyone planning any jeepin for Saturday the 19th??
I am looking for 3 or 3.5 fun.
Dan
82782 From: Bill Aylesworth <julbill@r...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:03am
Subject: TJ: Your Rock rails
TJ, did you get my last email? I need your Jeep for a
day so that we can solve the mystery of the missing
rock rails. I may be out of work again soon so I may
have a full week or two open. Let me know what your
schedule is like and we can take care of the rails and
move onto the tubular chassis that you where talking
about. (LOL)
BTW, like the pic of you new quad. You certainly got
some sun over the last month or so, almost couldn't
tell it was you standing behind it.
You, Josh, Allen and I need to take a quad runn soon.
While the weather is still good.
Bill A.
55M38A1
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82783 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:09am
Subject: re: Good destinations around Farmington, NM?
i used to live in that area, there are the aztec ruins in aztec (about 20 min drive from farmington) and durango colorado isn't very far either, hope it helps
94xjoe
82784 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:22am
Subject: Re: Does this Jeep have round headlights?
Um... those aren't center caps... look a little closer... they are
Warn hubs. -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, airbornexj@a... wrote:
> Why did they remove the wheels and leave the center cap?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL That gives me some good ideas, I have some small
tires laying around <evil grin> lololololollolo
82785 From: fountainhillsaz1 <fountainhillsaz1@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:32am
Subject: Fuel gauge adjustment??
Have a 90 YJ 2.5L with the standard 15 gal tank. I have been
regularly running out of gas with 1/8 tank showing, but the last tank
only went to 1/4.
When I fill up, the gauge goes way high. Is there an easy adjustment
that can be made to the sender or the gauge?
Thanks
Greg
90YJ
82786 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:37am
Subject: RE: state land permit
THANKS Stu...... some clarification for everyone:
Stu is correct regarding STL rec permits and everyone having
one..............
Lake Pleasant County Park does not require a "permit" but there is a $5.00
per day, per vehicle FEE so this is in a way a "permit"........
Most access roads to the Lake Pleasant County Park cross State Trust Lands
so you still need that State Rec Permit.
There are a couple of gated trails within our National Forests...........
these "permits" do not cost anything but you do need a
"permit/permission/combination" to access these trails. You can obtain a
permit from the Tonto Forest Dist. Office on McDowell. There is one trail
in the east valley............. from the lakes to Apache Junction........
Bull Dog Wash. This is actually the first dedication section of the Great
Western Trail that will eventually go from the Mexican border to
Canada.............
Those of us that had ASLD permits are still selling them other than
4-Wheeler Supply because they sold out and cannot get more until some issues
are settled.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 7:07 PM
> To: 'andrew broughton'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] state land permit
>
>
> Andrew....you only need a STL(State Trust Land) permit if you are on
> STL.
>
> That being said, it is quite difficult to tell when you are on STL while
> wheelin' since the trail can cross on to and off of STL and you would
> never know. There are patches of STL all over the state....and probably
> less than 1% of it MIGHT have a sign on some part of the trail (normally
> the beginning).
>
> As such, I encourage you, as I do all OHV users, to obtain a STL permit
> and keep it in their Jeep's glovebox. In the years I have carried one,
> I've never had to show it (but not everyone can make that claim). But I
> view it as insurance....and we all know we only need insurance when we
> don't have it. ;)
>
> You probably won't find a STL permit at this time of day, as there are
> only a few places that have them and they are most likely closed.
>
> If you are in Lake Pleasant county park, you won't need a STL permit.
>
> There are no other OHV permits for the state, other than one for some
> trail out east, and that one is free....BullDog Canyon (or something
> like that?) Never been there, don't exactly recall the name.
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: andrew broughton [mailto:andrewb855@a...]
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:57 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] state land permit
>
> im going to be taking the family camping this weekend probably out by
> lake pleasant. do i need a state permit or something else to go?if so
> where do i get one.i live near paridise valley.don't want to get some
> stupid fine for the sake of a $20 permit. what other permits should i
> have for going wheel'n. any help would be great
> thanks andrew
>
>
>
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82787 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:41am
Subject: [Tech] 88 xj - my Cherokee caught fire and burned on side of freeway
This morning my 88 XJ caught fire and burned up, the engine and under the dash is toast. Drive train is still good though. Major smoke damage in interior.
Many know about my Cherokee, is has the Klune-V crawler, my final low (was) 148:1, also have brand new 4.88s, 2 one month old 33-12.50-15 MT-Rs. Klune-V rapid air down valves. NP 231 with advance adaptors SYE kit. Dana 35 rear with Detroit and Dana 30 with lockright. The jeep is not worth repairing. Luckily the drive train componants are ok. I need to decide if I am going to part it out or sell the rig as whole. any suggestions? anybody with a Cherokee that wants to build a slow crawler can just swap in my drive train.
Thanks Scott Grigsby
Scott Grigsby
82788 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:44am
Subject: RE: Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use (STL) Permits...
Tammy Pike, Az State Land Dept. OHV Manager, took it upon herself to allow
permits to be sold by a few individuals and/or 4x4 shops to show how
important it is to "get these out to the public". Her immediate supervisor
HATES OHV. He has fought Tammy at every turn................ My personal
thoughts on this is 4-wheelers will again have permits, as will others
across the state, but until this initial problem with "where does the money
go"; "the OHV fund being STOLEN to balance the state deficit"; "Tammy's
position going away"; "ASLD wanting an OHV position but they don't want to
fund it";........ etc, etc, everything is on hold.
Those individuals and/or companies that still have permits can sell them but
no more will be distributed when these are gone.
I've attached an information sheet about the permits and where they can be
obtained............ excluding 4-Wheelers right now.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@att.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:42 PM
> To: Stu Olson; Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>; Joe West
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> (STL) Permits...
>
>
> Driven Auto Part still has the permits
> But they are closed now (6pm) until Monday.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe West" <joe.west@synopsys.com>
> To: "Stu Olson" <solson8@qwest.net>; "Arizona Virtual Jeep club
> <azvjc@azvjc. org>" <azvjc@azvjc.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> (STL) Permits...
>
>
> > I can't imagine that this would be the issue... it was a public service
> kind
> > of thing....
> > It certainly brought in foot traffic.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:13 PM
> > To: Joe West; Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> > (STL) Permits...
> >
> >
> > maybe too much of a hassle? (just a guess)
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@synopsys.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:06 PM
> > To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> > (STL) Permits...
> >
> >
> > Anyone know why?
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
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82789 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:01am
Subject: Re: Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use (STL) Permits...
What is Tammy's supervisor's phone number? I want to
have a talk with him. I promise I will be nice. =)
Tony
Sandee McCullen wrote:
> Tammy Pike, Az State Land Dept. OHV Manager, took it upon herself to allow
> permits to be sold by a few individuals and/or 4x4 shops to show how
> important it is to "get these out to the public". Her immediate supervisor
> HATES OHV. He has fought Tammy at every turn................ My personal
> thoughts on this is 4-wheelers will again have permits, as will others
> across the state, but until this initial problem with "where does the money
> go"; "the OHV fund being STOLEN to balance the state deficit"; "Tammy's
> position going away"; "ASLD wanting an OHV position but they don't want to
> fund it";........ etc, etc, everything is on hold.
>
> Those individuals and/or companies that still have permits can sell them but
> no more will be distributed when these are gone.
>
> I've attached an information sheet about the permits and where they can be
> obtained............ excluding 4-Wheelers right now.
>
> Sandee
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@a...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:42 PM
> > To: Stu Olson; Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>; Joe West
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> > (STL) Permits...
> >
> >
> > Driven Auto Part still has the permits
> > But they are closed now (6pm) until Monday.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > To: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>; "Arizona Virtual Jeep club
> > <azvjc@azvjc. org>" <azvjc@a...>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> > (STL) Permits...
> >
> >
> > > I can't imagine that this would be the issue... it was a public service
> > kind
> > > of thing....
> > > It certainly brought in foot traffic.
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:13 PM
> > > To: Joe West; Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> > > (STL) Permits...
> > >
> > >
> > > maybe too much of a hassle? (just a guess)
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:06 PM
> > > To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> > > (STL) Permits...
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone know why?
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
> >
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82765 From: Kyle Hagan <kyle@u...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:26am
Subject: Rear end
Anybody interested in the rear end I just replaced in my 99TJ? Keep in mind
everything in the pumpkin is pretty much shreded.... If anybody wants it for
parts they can come get it anytime. I need it out of my garage. I will wait
a week and then call the garbage people to come get it. Everything else
should be in good condition. If you want it email me off list.
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82766 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:29am
Subject: Rodeo-Chediski Fire Help Needed *** URGENT ***
I just received a call from Dave Sherman, they have a boy scout
troop coming up the week of April 26th to remove wood, however they
cannot cut it down. Originally this weekend a mennenite group was
coming up to do the cutting, but have backed out at the last
minute. They DESPERATELY need people who can cut down trees this
weekend so that the boy scouts can haul it away when they come up.
Do we have any tree cutters? Can anyone make it up there this
weekend (yes I know it is Easter weekend, how about Friday and
Saturday instead of Sunday)? Let's get creative if we can and
figure out what days who can help.
Please contact me if you can make it, I need to call Dave back by
tomorrow and let him know. He is very sorry for the short notice.
We are still working out details for a full follow up run, this is
just something that they had fall through and really need help fast
and pretty much took over all talks in their meeting Friday.
Feel free to email me or call me at 623-340-0885.
Thanks,
Chris
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82767 From: Daver <daver@i...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:34am
Subject: Re: Rodeo-Chediski Fire Help Needed *** URGENT ***
?????
I thought there was still a court injunction prohibiting cutting? Did that
get cleared up finally?
Sorry, I can't help, I have family from WI and CA in town this weekend...
At 04:29 PM 4/15/2003 +0000, Chris wrote:
>I just received a call from Dave Sherman, they have a boy scout
>troop coming up the week of April 26th to remove wood, however they
>cannot cut it down. Originally this weekend a mennenite group was
>coming up to do the cutting, but have backed out at the last
>minute. They DESPERATELY need people who can cut down trees this
>weekend so that the boy scouts can haul it away when they come up.
>
>Do we have any tree cutters? Can anyone make it up there this
>weekend (yes I know it is Easter weekend, how about Friday and
>Saturday instead of Sunday)? Let's get creative if we can and
>figure out what days who can help.
>
>Please contact me if you can make it, I need to call Dave back by
>tomorrow and let him know. He is very sorry for the short notice.
>
>We are still working out details for a full follow up run, this is
>just something that they had fall through and really need help fast
>and pretty much took over all talks in their meeting Friday.
>
>Feel free to email me or call me at 623-340-0885.
>
>Thanks,
>Chris
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
82768 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:36am
Subject: RE: Brake line brackets/RE upper control arms
Can you not use an O clamp?
-----Original Message-----
From: John DeRuiter [mailto:wm7a@msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 12:17 PM
To: az_vjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Brake line brackets/RE upper control arms
I just installed REs adjustable upper control arms in the rear of the 1998 TJ. There is a bracket on the emergency brake cables and rear brake line that allow them to be bolted to the stock control arms. There is, however, no way to bolt these to the new RE arms. What, if anything, have you folks been doing to reattach these brackets?
John DeRuiter
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82769 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:35am
Subject: RE: state land permit
Andrew,
The only permit needed for "casual use" is on State Trust Lands in
Arizona......... this amounts to approx. 9.3 million acres and the bad part
of this is most are not "signed" so you don't know when/where you're on STL.
The other issue is you normally have to "cross State Trust Lands" to get to
public lands........ in other words....... be safe, purchase a $20.00
permit. Attached is some information about the State Trust Rec Permit and
where you can purchase them...... all but 4-Wheeler still have permits. As
soon as each of us run out the only place one can purchase permits will be
the State Land Offices and the PLIC.
You can also obtain "color coded" maps of the whole state and/or smaller
specific areas (topo's) from the Public Lands Information Center (PLIC) at
222 N. Central, Phx. (Southwest corner of Central & Van Buren). The PLIC
is actually within the main lobby of the Bureau of Land Management. If you
park in the ACE parking garage on Van Buren between Central and 1st
AVENUE..... the PLIC will validate your parking. These maps are very
inexpensive and they will print them for you while you wait...........
they're definitely worth the money.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: andrew broughton [mailto:andrewb855@aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:57 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] state land permit
>
>
> im going to be taking the family camping this weekend probably out by
> lake pleasant. do i need a state permit or something else to go?if so
> where do i get one.i live near paridise valley.don't want to get some
> stupid fine for the sake of a $20 permit. what other permits should i
> have for going wheel'n. any help would be great
> thanks andrew
>
>
>
>
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82770 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:40am
Subject: Re: Rodeo-Chediski Fire Help Needed *** URGENT ***
OOOOOOOOoooooooohhhhhhhhhhh,
I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK
I sleep all night and I work all day,
I cut down trees, I skip and jump.
In panties and a bra........
Oh wait, that is a different thread.
Are you needing bodies, or bodies that come complete with chain saws?
Sorry about the Monty Python thing, it's genetic, I had no choice.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> I just received a call from Dave Sherman, they have a boy scout
> troop coming up the week of April 26th to remove wood, however they
> cannot cut it down. Originally this weekend a mennenite group was
> coming up to do the cutting, but have backed out at the last
> minute. They DESPERATELY need people who can cut down trees this
> weekend so that the boy scouts can haul it away when they come up.
>
> Do we have any tree cutters? Can anyone make it up there this
> weekend (yes I know it is Easter weekend, how about Friday and
> Saturday instead of Sunday)? Let's get creative if we can and
> figure out what days who can help.
>
> Please contact me if you can make it, I need to call Dave back by
> tomorrow and let him know. He is very sorry for the short notice.
>
> We are still working out details for a full follow up run, this is
> just something that they had fall through and really need help fast
> and pretty much took over all talks in their meeting Friday.
>
> Feel free to email me or call me at 623-340-0885.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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82771 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:43am
Subject: Re: Rodeo-Chediski Fire Help Needed *** URGENT ***
They are in need of bodies with chainsaws or bodies that are
experienced. They have 2 chainsaws up there and do have protective
equipment(glasses, gloves and chaps and can get more).
Chris
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--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kent Warner" <KnetAZ@q...> wrote:
> OOOOOOOOoooooooohhhhhhhhhhh,
> I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK
> I sleep all night and I work all day,
> I cut down trees, I skip and jump.
> In panties and a bra........
>
> Oh wait, that is a different thread.
>
> Are you needing bodies, or bodies that come complete with chain
saws?
>
> Sorry about the Monty Python thing, it's genetic, I had no choice.
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> > I just received a call from Dave Sherman, they have a boy scout
> > troop coming up the week of April 26th to remove wood, however
they
> > cannot cut it down. Originally this weekend a mennenite group
was
> > coming up to do the cutting, but have backed out at the last
> > minute. They DESPERATELY need people who can cut down trees
this
> > weekend so that the boy scouts can haul it away when they come
up.
> >
> > Do we have any tree cutters? Can anyone make it up there this
> > weekend (yes I know it is Easter weekend, how about Friday and
> > Saturday instead of Sunday)? Let's get creative if we can and
> > figure out what days who can help.
> >
> > Please contact me if you can make it, I need to call Dave back
by
> > tomorrow and let him know. He is very sorry for the short
notice.
> >
> > We are still working out details for a full follow up run, this
is
> > just something that they had fall through and really need help
fast
> > and pretty much took over all talks in their meeting Friday.
> >
> > Feel free to email me or call me at 623-340-0885.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
---
> -
82772 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:52am
Subject: RE: Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use (STL) Permits...
I hope that no club members believe that because 4 Wheelers can no longer get permits, that this then becomes a valid reason for not having one. Since the permitting process can be initiated by a phone call or one can be obtained in person at the land office....well, you take it from there.
Stu (just playing the roll of the common sense Jeep owner person)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Legge [mailto:slegge1@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 6:52 AM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use (STL) Permits...
IF they can't supply them can you still get in trouble for not having one??? I mean there are places around that sell them but this seems like one hell of a catch 22. Almost a hassle to follow the law. Dont get me wrong I do intend on purchasing one. But damn.
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: barry brummett
To: Stu Olson ; Joe West ; Arizona Virtual Jeep club
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 6:37 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use (STL) Permits...
We are not able to get the permits to sell. That's why. The department in charge of the program has lost its funding and is unable to supply the permits.
Barry
Stu Olson <solson8@qwest.net> wrote:
maybe too much of a hassle? (just a guess)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@synopsys.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:06 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club
Subject: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
(STL) Permits...
Anyone know why?
Joe West
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82773 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:38am
Subject: Thanks to the following individuals for contributing to Hunter Offroad's Stolen Ramp
I'd like to publicly thank the following individuals for their contribution
to the Hunter Offroad Ramp Fund:
Michael Hoyt
Stu Olson
Brad Kilgore
Scott Kruize
Michael Wixom
Gary Holmes
Shawn Passmore
Scott Bruns
Bill Hooven
John DeRuiter
For those who wish to contribute, you can paypal funds to:
arizonajeep@c...
The purpose of this fund is to assist John at Hunter Offroad in replacing
his Ramp Travel Index (RTI) Ramp which was stolen. As a group, many of us
have used this ramp over the last couple of years so I thought it would be
nice if we helped John replace the ramp (especially since he built it for us
for AZVJC BBQ 1).
For those who were going to contribute parts such as spindles, bearings,
wheels and tires for the ramp... could you please contact me offline so I
can arrange to pick this stuff up?
Kind Regards,
Joe West
82774 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:35am
Subject: State Land Rec Permits
Sorry all.......... have been out of town all week.
Re the permits and 4-Wheeler Supply:
Because of the standing with Tammy's job and the OHV Rec Program within the
Land Dept. the permit issue is on hold. Those of us that still had permits
are able to sell them........ 4-Wheelers simply ran out and the Land Dept.
(Tammy) cannot distribute more to anyone until something is settled re what
the program will do. Tammy's immediate supervisor does not like anything
about OHV and/or the fact that anyone from the "public" sells the permits.
He knows full well the numbers have more than doubled but that doesn't make
musch difference to this guy.
I've asked Tammy what she wants done.......... we can easily do a "letter
campaign" to the new Commissioner and Tammy's supervisor but at this time it
would only make things miserable for Tammy so please just get a permit
wherever you can for now.
I have attached a list of where permits can still be obtained.........
other than 4-Wheelers Supply.
Sandee
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82775 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:35am
Subject: RE: What's the future of Cottonwood Rd access to FJ
The National Guard helped the ASLD make the "parking" area at the Hwy 79
entrance to Cottonwood Canyon Rd....... They are talking of a "loading
ramp" for ATV's and motorcycles. If this is abused and recreationists go
beyond the fenced area..... riding, parking, doing donuts, etc the entire
area will be closed to our use so hopefully we will ALL play our part and
help police the area. Yes, there will be a gate installed
eventually........... when the National Guard are training, Cottonwood
Canyon will be closed to "THROUGH TRAFFIC" while the ANG are in the area.
We will need to enter the area from Hwy 60, through Superior or through Box
Canyon.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: highjeeps [mailto:highupjeep@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 11:56 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] What's the future of Cottonwood Rd access to FJ
>
>
> I was out at FJ yesterday (been a while) and noticed the build up at
> the Cottonwood Rd. entrance. That is the parking area now has a big
> log fence around the perimeter and it looks like a gate could be
> installed in the future limiting access (just a guess). Does this mean
> we may loose free access to this area sometime soon or is this
> nothing to worry about? (I haven't noticed any other discussions on
> this).
> Larry
>
>
>
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82776 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:45am
Subject: RE: Re: [TR] Martinez Canyon - Saturday, April 12, 2003 - Reminder
Martinez Canyon is open to "casual" use until such time the private owner
posts PRIVATE PROPERTY, NO TRESPASSING signs...... this has not been done
to my knowledge. For "permitted events" such as Jamboree, we cannot cross
private property because we must literally obtain "permission" to cross
these properties and we cannot obtain permission from the group owning
Martinez.
I tried working with Tucson BLM re getting the exact private property lines
to see if we could "go around" the private property at the mill and at the
mines themselves at the top of the mountain. (they ACTUALLY did check it
out with the Classic Bronco Club members) There is no way around
either......... it's either up the side of a rock wall or off a cliff......
We will continue working with the owners to see if we can reach an agreement
but it doesn't look positive.........The reason for the lack of permission
is the "users" entering the mill and mines. They are destroying and
outright stealing property. These kinds of thoughtless actions will end up
closing many areas to us in the near future.
For the present time ............ "casual users" can still do Martinez
Canyon........ my guess is Tucson will eventually close the entire canyon
to us......... just like Jawbreaker........ just like they're trying to do
with Lower Woodpecker!!!
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Peterson [mailto:stinger75ih@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] Martinez Canyon - Saturday, April 12, 2003 -
> Reminder
>
>
> I thought the actual canyon was signed and closed due to private
> property at the old mining area. Meaning you can go up to it, or up
> and around the way you usually come out; but you can not cross the
> private property.
>
> Sandee? What is the real status of the canyon?
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> >
>
>
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82777 From: horatiohhornblower <jc1796@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:50am
Subject: Good destinations around Farmington, NM?
Folks:
Planning a trip around the Four Corners area. I want to do some
wheeling - I know there are a lot of serious trails around
Farmington, but I'm looking for something easier (3.0-) and something
cool to look at when I get there. Perhaps some ruins or a ghost town
or something. Anyone have any suggestions?
My TJ is lifted and has some minor mods, but it's my daily driver and
I can't break it. I'd appreciate any input. Thanks!
JC
82778 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:51am
Subject: New shoes for Rubi, need advice
Soliciting opinions, educated and otherwise, regarding what kind of
tires I should go with once the lift is on.
I will be putting on the Rubicon Express 3.5 Super Flex kit, and then
upgrading to 33" tires (gotta' get that skid plate away from the
ground). I am going with 285/75R16 on the stock rims. That part is
decided.
Now to the question part. Looking at another set of MTRs or BFG KOs
or TrXus. Can't go wrong with MTRs, the BFGs have that rim protector
thing that is kinda cool, and the TrXus seem very cool (Interco
baby!), but I want to be sure they don't wind up being another
Thornbird, and they are only 2 ply sidewall.
Where is the best place to get any of these tires?
82779 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:52am
Subject: RE: Re: Box Canyon or Martinez Cabin?
Bulldog Wash permit and Mesa Ranger Dist are both Tonto National
Forest............. There are a couple of F/S trails that are gated and
access is with a special permit but the rest of PUBLIC lands are accessable
to casual use. State Trust Lands are not (9.3 million acres) 'public'
lands. I've attached an information sheet about State Trust Lands Rec.
Permit. All listed still have permits except 4-Wheeler Supply..........
hopefully we can get them back into the loop SOON!!!
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Hudson [mailto:mhudson@durrant.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:28 PM
> To: Kent Warner; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Box Canyon or Martinez Cabin?
>
>
> what about that ranger station in Mesa?
> the place you get the Bulldog canyon permit...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@qwest.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:26 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Box Canyon or Martinez Cabin?
>
>
> I was in 4 Wheelers the other day and they said that they don't sell
> them any more. Anyone know what Gov't office a person would have to
> go stand in line in to get one, cuz I was out there yesterday and I
> don't have one.
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > No worries here. I just assumed (incorrectly on my part), that you
> were new
> > to the list..
> > I'm not sure where, in the Phoenix area to get the STL permits (I'm
> in
> > Tucson)..
> > You can get them from the State Building, for sure.. I believe that
> > 4Wheelers, and maybe some of the other 4-wheel drive shops have
> them.
> > Someone will hopefully chime in here with some specifics for you.
> >
> > Fred
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82780 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:57am
Subject: RE: State Land Rec Permits
Sandee,
I just wrote a letter to the Governer and every single state Senator asking
that SOMETHING be done to create a web based registration system... and
offering to do the code necessary for free.
If you could provide me (in private) the name of Tammy's supervisor, and
Tammy's supervisor's supervisor.. and as high up the food chain as you
can... I will work the issue in a "top down" approach.
Please provide me whatever information you can.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 9:35 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] State Land Rec Permits
Sorry all.......... have been out of town all week.
Re the permits and 4-Wheeler Supply:
Because of the standing with Tammy's job and the OHV Rec Program within the
Land Dept. the permit issue is on hold. Those of us that still had permits
are able to sell them........ 4-Wheelers simply ran out and the Land Dept.
(Tammy) cannot distribute more to anyone until something is settled re what
the program will do. Tammy's immediate supervisor does not like anything
about OHV and/or the fact that anyone from the "public" sells the permits.
He knows full well the numbers have more than doubled but that doesn't make
musch difference to this guy.
I've asked Tammy what she wants done.......... we can easily do a "letter
campaign" to the new Commissioner and Tammy's supervisor but at this time it
would only make things miserable for Tammy so please just get a permit
wherever you can for now.
I have attached a list of where permits can still be obtained.........
other than 4-Wheelers Supply.
Sandee
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82781 From: Dan Schwartz <azdanimal@e...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:02am
Subject: Any runs for Saturday the 19th??
Is anyone planning any jeepin for Saturday the 19th??
I am looking for 3 or 3.5 fun.
Dan
82782 From: Bill Aylesworth <julbill@r...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:03am
Subject: TJ: Your Rock rails
TJ, did you get my last email? I need your Jeep for a
day so that we can solve the mystery of the missing
rock rails. I may be out of work again soon so I may
have a full week or two open. Let me know what your
schedule is like and we can take care of the rails and
move onto the tubular chassis that you where talking
about. (LOL)
BTW, like the pic of you new quad. You certainly got
some sun over the last month or so, almost couldn't
tell it was you standing behind it.
You, Josh, Allen and I need to take a quad runn soon.
While the weather is still good.
Bill A.
55M38A1
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82783 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:09am
Subject: re: Good destinations around Farmington, NM?
i used to live in that area, there are the aztec ruins in aztec (about 20 min drive from farmington) and durango colorado isn't very far either, hope it helps
94xjoe
82784 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:22am
Subject: Re: Does this Jeep have round headlights?
Um... those aren't center caps... look a little closer... they are
Warn hubs. -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, airbornexj@a... wrote:
> Why did they remove the wheels and leave the center cap?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL That gives me some good ideas, I have some small
tires laying around <evil grin> lololololollolo
82785 From: fountainhillsaz1 <fountainhillsaz1@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:32am
Subject: Fuel gauge adjustment??
Have a 90 YJ 2.5L with the standard 15 gal tank. I have been
regularly running out of gas with 1/8 tank showing, but the last tank
only went to 1/4.
When I fill up, the gauge goes way high. Is there an easy adjustment
that can be made to the sender or the gauge?
Thanks
Greg
90YJ
82786 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:37am
Subject: RE: state land permit
THANKS Stu...... some clarification for everyone:
Stu is correct regarding STL rec permits and everyone having
one..............
Lake Pleasant County Park does not require a "permit" but there is a $5.00
per day, per vehicle FEE so this is in a way a "permit"........
Most access roads to the Lake Pleasant County Park cross State Trust Lands
so you still need that State Rec Permit.
There are a couple of gated trails within our National Forests...........
these "permits" do not cost anything but you do need a
"permit/permission/combination" to access these trails. You can obtain a
permit from the Tonto Forest Dist. Office on McDowell. There is one trail
in the east valley............. from the lakes to Apache Junction........
Bull Dog Wash. This is actually the first dedication section of the Great
Western Trail that will eventually go from the Mexican border to
Canada.............
Those of us that had ASLD permits are still selling them other than
4-Wheeler Supply because they sold out and cannot get more until some issues
are settled.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 7:07 PM
> To: 'andrew broughton'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] state land permit
>
>
> Andrew....you only need a STL(State Trust Land) permit if you are on
> STL.
>
> That being said, it is quite difficult to tell when you are on STL while
> wheelin' since the trail can cross on to and off of STL and you would
> never know. There are patches of STL all over the state....and probably
> less than 1% of it MIGHT have a sign on some part of the trail (normally
> the beginning).
>
> As such, I encourage you, as I do all OHV users, to obtain a STL permit
> and keep it in their Jeep's glovebox. In the years I have carried one,
> I've never had to show it (but not everyone can make that claim). But I
> view it as insurance....and we all know we only need insurance when we
> don't have it. ;)
>
> You probably won't find a STL permit at this time of day, as there are
> only a few places that have them and they are most likely closed.
>
> If you are in Lake Pleasant county park, you won't need a STL permit.
>
> There are no other OHV permits for the state, other than one for some
> trail out east, and that one is free....BullDog Canyon (or something
> like that?) Never been there, don't exactly recall the name.
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: andrew broughton [mailto:andrewb855@a...]
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:57 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] state land permit
>
> im going to be taking the family camping this weekend probably out by
> lake pleasant. do i need a state permit or something else to go?if so
> where do i get one.i live near paridise valley.don't want to get some
> stupid fine for the sake of a $20 permit. what other permits should i
> have for going wheel'n. any help would be great
> thanks andrew
>
>
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82787 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:41am
Subject: [Tech] 88 xj - my Cherokee caught fire and burned on side of freeway
This morning my 88 XJ caught fire and burned up, the engine and under the dash is toast. Drive train is still good though. Major smoke damage in interior.
Many know about my Cherokee, is has the Klune-V crawler, my final low (was) 148:1, also have brand new 4.88s, 2 one month old 33-12.50-15 MT-Rs. Klune-V rapid air down valves. NP 231 with advance adaptors SYE kit. Dana 35 rear with Detroit and Dana 30 with lockright. The jeep is not worth repairing. Luckily the drive train componants are ok. I need to decide if I am going to part it out or sell the rig as whole. any suggestions? anybody with a Cherokee that wants to build a slow crawler can just swap in my drive train.
Thanks Scott Grigsby
Scott Grigsby
82788 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:44am
Subject: RE: Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use (STL) Permits...
Tammy Pike, Az State Land Dept. OHV Manager, took it upon herself to allow
permits to be sold by a few individuals and/or 4x4 shops to show how
important it is to "get these out to the public". Her immediate supervisor
HATES OHV. He has fought Tammy at every turn................ My personal
thoughts on this is 4-wheelers will again have permits, as will others
across the state, but until this initial problem with "where does the money
go"; "the OHV fund being STOLEN to balance the state deficit"; "Tammy's
position going away"; "ASLD wanting an OHV position but they don't want to
fund it";........ etc, etc, everything is on hold.
Those individuals and/or companies that still have permits can sell them but
no more will be distributed when these are gone.
I've attached an information sheet about the permits and where they can be
obtained............ excluding 4-Wheelers right now.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@att.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:42 PM
> To: Stu Olson; Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>; Joe West
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> (STL) Permits...
>
>
> Driven Auto Part still has the permits
> But they are closed now (6pm) until Monday.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe West" <joe.west@synopsys.com>
> To: "Stu Olson" <solson8@qwest.net>; "Arizona Virtual Jeep club
> <azvjc@azvjc. org>" <azvjc@azvjc.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> (STL) Permits...
>
>
> > I can't imagine that this would be the issue... it was a public service
> kind
> > of thing....
> > It certainly brought in foot traffic.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:13 PM
> > To: Joe West; Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> > (STL) Permits...
> >
> >
> > maybe too much of a hassle? (just a guess)
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@synopsys.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:06 PM
> > To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> > (STL) Permits...
> >
> >
> > Anyone know why?
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
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82789 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:01am
Subject: Re: Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use (STL) Permits...
What is Tammy's supervisor's phone number? I want to
have a talk with him. I promise I will be nice. =)
Tony
Sandee McCullen wrote:
> Tammy Pike, Az State Land Dept. OHV Manager, took it upon herself to allow
> permits to be sold by a few individuals and/or 4x4 shops to show how
> important it is to "get these out to the public". Her immediate supervisor
> HATES OHV. He has fought Tammy at every turn................ My personal
> thoughts on this is 4-wheelers will again have permits, as will others
> across the state, but until this initial problem with "where does the money
> go"; "the OHV fund being STOLEN to balance the state deficit"; "Tammy's
> position going away"; "ASLD wanting an OHV position but they don't want to
> fund it";........ etc, etc, everything is on hold.
>
> Those individuals and/or companies that still have permits can sell them but
> no more will be distributed when these are gone.
>
> I've attached an information sheet about the permits and where they can be
> obtained............ excluding 4-Wheelers right now.
>
> Sandee
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@a...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:42 PM
> > To: Stu Olson; Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>; Joe West
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> > (STL) Permits...
> >
> >
> > Driven Auto Part still has the permits
> > But they are closed now (6pm) until Monday.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > To: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>; "Arizona Virtual Jeep club
> > <azvjc@azvjc. org>" <azvjc@a...>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> > (STL) Permits...
> >
> >
> > > I can't imagine that this would be the issue... it was a public service
> > kind
> > > of thing....
> > > It certainly brought in foot traffic.
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:13 PM
> > > To: Joe West; Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> > > (STL) Permits...
> > >
> > >
> > > maybe too much of a hassle? (just a guess)
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:06 PM
> > > To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> > > (STL) Permits...
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone know why?
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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