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Joe West
08-26-2008, 06:08 AM
Hi Gang,

This Sunday I'm headed out to the town of Maricopa to look at a 1982 CJ-8 Scrambler. It looks like it has been sitting around for 10 years and needs a great deal of work but it appears to be all there (even the cab hardtop) and I'm thinking I might be able to pick it up for $850.

I'll snap some pictures when I go to look at it and post them up.

Joe

jeepcj5nut
08-26-2008, 06:31 AM
That's awesome Joe!!! It sounds like there will be some wrenching parties at your place in a short while!!! :fashizzle:

Joe West
08-26-2008, 06:39 AM
I'm trying not to get my hopes up... but hey, it's worth the drive and the price appears to be right (assuming it isn't a wrecked rust bucket).

TRobertsRN
08-26-2008, 07:13 AM
Any idea what engine it has?

Thinking about a V-8 swap?

Joe West
08-26-2008, 08:28 AM
it has the factory inline 6 in it. I doubt I'll do a V8, more likely than not I'll put a TJ 4.0l inline 6 in it.

Joe West
08-26-2008, 08:54 AM
Here are the batch of pictures... ack... am I ready for this? :D

I'd be interested in everyone's thoughts as to whether or not this vehicle is worth $850. Assume it does not run.

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22547&stc=1&d=1219761918

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22546&stc=1&d=1219761918

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22545&stc=1&d=1219761918


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22544&stc=1&d=1219761918


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22543&stc=1&d=1219761918


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22542&stc=1&d=1219761918


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22541&stc=1&d=1219761918


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22540&stc=1&d=1219761918


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22539&stc=1&d=1219761918


More to come in the next post

Joe

Joe West
08-26-2008, 08:55 AM
Here are the final set of pictures:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22538&stc=1&d=1219761918


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22537&stc=1&d=1219761918


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22536&stc=1&d=1219761918


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22535&stc=1&d=1219761918


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22534&stc=1&d=1219761918


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22533&stc=1&d=1219761918

jeepdude775
08-26-2008, 09:03 AM
That would be a good project offer $500 for it

TRLR8TDTJ
08-26-2008, 09:20 AM
I would not waste ny money on that. It would take couple thousand just to get it worthy to take on the trail. If you are looking for long term project it might be good.


Kyle

AZLugz
08-26-2008, 09:28 AM
I think it would be a cool project for $500 if you have the room

Howyadoin
08-26-2008, 09:38 AM
I'd buy it just for the seats, those are PIMP!:laugh2: Looks fairly solid, but definately a major project. What were you going to do with it?

ademster
08-26-2008, 09:41 AM
Id buy it for the price! from what I have seen, Cj-8s are becoming harder to find...

My Green Jeep
08-26-2008, 09:53 AM
Joe... did you crawl up under it... how much rust does she have?

I would start with $500 but not go any higher than $600...

I would agree... long term project but she looks solid...

Hey... offer the $500 if they dont want it... walk... but make sure
they have your number, tell them to call if they change their mind..

I did that with a rear end on craigslist... guy wanted $500, I offered
him $350 he said $400, I said $375 he said no $400... told him wont
go higher and to keep me in mind...

Guess what I have sitting in my garage for $375

14 bolt Chevy 1-ton rear end

:fashizzle:

rockreadyyj07
08-26-2008, 10:01 AM
heck yea, you cant find 8's for under a grand anywhere, i'd get it for sure, to bad i'm broke or i'd jump in line for second dibs

KennethS
08-26-2008, 10:22 AM
I'd be interested in everyone's thoughts as to whether or not this vehicle is worth $850. Assume it does not run.

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22547&stc=1&d=1219761918

Does that price include the dog?

Joe West
08-26-2008, 10:28 AM
No... it doesn't include the dog but it does include the drivetrain in the back :)

Joe West
08-26-2008, 10:33 AM
More likely than not, if I get this one I'd strip it down to the frame and build it back up the way I want it. I've found a handful of CJ-8s in the 3k to $3500 range that are running... I'm just not sure I wouldn't take those same vehicles down to the frame as well... in the end, if I'm going to do a total restore, the cheaper the better. However... I'll need to make sure most of the parts are there (or at least the hard to find parts, if indeed, there are any hard to find parts on a CJ-8).

When we gonna do lunch? :D



I would not waste ny money on that. It would take couple thousand just to get it worthy to take on the trail. If you are looking for long term project it might be good.


Kyle

SavageSun4x4
08-26-2008, 10:39 AM
Everyone has a different spin. Had a retired guy that lived across the street from me. He was an old retired body man. He spent his weekends looking at cars that had body damage but otherwise were in excellent shape. As he told me, he did not know a carb from a shoebox. But if he had to do with the body he could fix it.

He sold an average of a car a week.

Me I want a straight body, no rust, no damage I will tackle the driveline.

That said Joe, my first question is how straight is the body, how much rust. If you buy it other than paint what else would have to be done to the body. That is a cost that can spiral out of control if you have to outsource it.

My gut and your pics tell that its worth $750 max. Offer $500, counter offer to split difference with him on what ever he counters with and top out at $750.

Call the driveline trash and update it with a good TJ Rubicon donor rig. Spend a year or two and you have a great trail rig and most of all would command a premo price on resale with a Rubi drive train. [assuming you are not looking for an OEM restore project, in which case I think I would just pass on it]

Let us know what you want to do.

vin man
08-26-2008, 10:42 AM
Its worth it just for that smokin radio!
Does it have a title and is it a salvage title? Does that matter to anyone?

Joe West
08-26-2008, 10:57 AM
Hi Vinny,

Good question... I just sent an email to ask. I definitely care that it has a regular title and not a salvage title.



Its worth it just for that smokin radio!
Does it have a title and is it a salvage title? Does that matter to anyone?

brian lujan
08-26-2008, 11:06 AM
nice find

Glenn4ws
08-26-2008, 11:32 AM
I know where to get ALL kinds of parts for that bad boy!!! :)

Buy that sucker. CJ8's that have been sitting in salt for 10 years still go for $1500!

ademster
08-26-2008, 11:37 AM
Guess what I have sitting in my garage for $375

14 bolt Chevy 1-ton rear end

:fashizzle:



you over paid

My Green Jeep
08-26-2008, 11:41 AM
you over paid

Ahhh only you would say that Adam instead of asking what it has
on it and what it came with....

rockreadyyj07
08-26-2008, 11:46 AM
I know where to get ALL kinds of parts for that bad boy!!! :)

Buy that sucker. CJ8's that have been sitting in salt for 10 years still go for $1500!

exactly

Stickbuddy
08-26-2008, 12:11 PM
It wouldn't hurt to try and knock them down a little, that said, I think it's worth it for the $850. I'd take the body off, get it media blasted, dump it off to a body guy let him do whatever it takes to get it straight and solid while you attack the frame and drive train.

OlneyJeeps
08-26-2008, 12:26 PM
looks like great deal at $1000... depending on what you would do with it you have (based on my buying/selling):
258 = $50 (core) - $400 (running good)
is that a 4.0 in the bed? if is, $200-$800
T5= $100-$500
999 automatic (in bed)= $200-$600
231 (guessing is on drive train) $50-$200

getting a good deal is one thing, being cheap will bite you in the butt...I love getting great deals (have gotten some incredible deals from people in the club...I'm sure someone might remind me/ call me a fool but I cannot remember offering less than full price/equitable trade)
depending on condition of drive train in bed (and what motor it is), if you find the person who wants/needs it it alone could fetch the $850!

what did you say the guy's phone number is?:alucard::whistling:

AZJeepdad
08-26-2008, 12:28 PM
JW,

GET IT! If you decide to pass, please give me the info so I can buy it! I have intimate knowledge of CJ rebuilding, give me a call.

TL

mysunnshine
08-26-2008, 01:26 PM
On Ebay in the past few years the body itself would go for $500-1000 even with a little rust and a rust-free frame is worth about $500 especially to somebody in the rust-belt. All of the re-pop bodies or aftermarket frames are pricy for the Scramblers so the factory stuff is pretty desireable for the price. I'd say go for it if you have the time and resources. Of course you would be better off holding out and buying somebody else's unfinished project and using this one for parts-

Markos
08-26-2008, 01:33 PM
I'd say it's worth $850 even without the drivetrain. You AZ people are spoiled. Post these pics anywhere east of the Missippi and you'll get a much different set of responses.

The floor looks good with minimal surface rust. The only real issue that I see is a ding dent behind the rear arch. You could fix that with some custom corner guards. The front fender and hood would be simple (and cheap) used replacements. The hard top looks like it has a few issues. I'd just lay some fiberglass and bondo over those areas, then coat the top with some roll-on white Durabak (http://www.nonslipcoating.com/).

Joe West
08-26-2008, 01:35 PM
Here is the reply that came back when I asked the lady about the story of this Jeep:

Hi Joe,

I can tell you the entire story of this vehicle. I went looking for a jeep in 82 and I wanted a rough rugged jeep and found the scrambler fit the bill, it was like an old willies, which I had always loved. All they had on the lot was 4 cylinders which I felt were gutless wonders, and I wanted to be able to haul a horse trailer or load of wood. So, I ordered this jeep from the factory with all of the things built there, that couldn't be added later. Thus, the 6 cyl, 4 spd, heavy duty suspension, posi traction,and rear trac lock. Which is virtually having any one wheel on the ground, and it will pull itself along to get free. I have tried it and it works, had to sit on the fender once to pull out.

Since I ordered it late, it has an 83 cab and 82 body. The only difference is seat belts, lap straps in 82, shoulder straps in 83. I had the air added when it came in, and have that unit. The spare 258 motor (running when removed)has a compressor and factory bracket and numerous other parts one might need. The air breather is mia along with the starter, battery gauge and front bumper. We parked it 3 years ago when the trans mounts needed to be replaced. Before that, we used it for our wood hauler on our lg acreage for a couple of years, and my husband drove it to work b4 that. We decided to park it until we could rebuild and restore it.

Now to the body damage. Before any of the above happened, my X (for good reasons) took it for a test drive one day after tinkering with it and rolled it over on it's side on a gravel road, with my then 2 yr old daughter in her car seat as passenger. They were both fine and except for the windshield, passenger door, back glass, hardtop and the body damage you've see in pics, so was it. It got towed home refilled with fluids and windshield removed, and off it went like nothing ever happened. That thing is tough! After the X was gone, it sat for a couple of years (I had a car and was at work all the time) until my current husband came along and got it running wth very little effort. He then drove it to work for a couple of years until he got another truck. The dent by the rear fender well was caused by the wheel of a 3 wheeler (kids) and besides some dents in the bed (X carried heavy rocks) that is it for the non removable parts.

I have to get the title from mvd this week, I have divorced and moved twice since I last saw it. It is clean and not salvage. Let me know if there is anything else I can tell you about it. I'll get those directions out to you later.

Oldyeller
08-26-2008, 01:49 PM
Joe If you don't buy it my dad has been looking for one of these for almost 10 years. I would be interested in the sellers info if you do not but it.

Thanks,

Yeller

OlneyJeeps
08-26-2008, 01:58 PM
I asked for it first!!!!:kenny::kenny::kenny:

Oldyeller
08-26-2008, 02:00 PM
Hey, I'll get in line.

EDIT: Wait a minute, Haven't you spent the last Few Months trying to get RID of stuff?

OlneyJeeps
08-26-2008, 02:01 PM
better yet, I'll pay $100 (let the bidding begin) for the guy's phone # under condition that vehicle has not yet been sold (or buy it yourself and I will pay you $1000 for it)

OlneyJeeps
08-26-2008, 02:02 PM
Hey, I'll get in line.

EDIT: Wait a minute, Haven't you spent the last Few Months trying to get RID of stuff?

ummmm:whistling:

I am not an addict, I can quit any time (just don't want to quit right now)
$1000 is a screaming deal and mass potential for profit

vin man
08-26-2008, 02:12 PM
Joe - looks like you got your answer (and a Scrambler for your collection). Good find.

SavageSun4x4
08-26-2008, 02:13 PM
Joe,
Based upon the e mail you got it appears it is a one owner rig and had some good options from the factory. I assume it is an AZ car.

Without seeing it in person, I would say its worth the $850 price which in the eye of the viewer might even push the value to $1250, especially since it appears it also has AC.

I would still offer $750 cash.

Call them up as them to meet you there, pull out 7 $100 bills and a $50, count it out and count slow (note, this is prearranged so you have exactly $750 in one pocket, you do NOT want to be holding any money after you count out the $750, keep all other money in another pocket). I have bought a lot of cars like that. Sometimes green cash just does not talk it screams.

OlneyJeeps
08-26-2008, 02:16 PM
Joe,
Based upon the e mail you got it appears it is a one owner rig and had some good options from the factory. I assume it is an AZ car.

Without seeing it in person, I would say its worth the $850 price which in the eye of the viewer might even push the value to $1250, especially since it appears it also has AC.

I would still offer $750 cash.

Call them up as them to meet you there, pull out 7 $100 bills and a $50, count it out and count slow (note, this is prearranged so you have exactly $750 in one pocket, you do NOT want to be holding any money after you count out the $750, keep all other money in another pocket). I have bought a lot of cars like that. Sometimes green cash just does not talk it screams.


If you're going to low bid, do it right.... use $20's (or even $10's)... makes it look like more (suitcase of $1's might be pushing it though)

Oldyeller
08-26-2008, 02:17 PM
$1000 is a screaming deal and mass potential for profit

X2 Joe, Those things do not come along often, looks like Some body work a new Wiring harness and some TLC and you could have a little weekender.

Want to sell me the Factory air unit off of it?

That ok with you OLNEY?

Jdemonto
08-26-2008, 02:30 PM
Wow JW getting a jeep?

Good find, with that story its def worth $1250-$1500, $850 is a steal. Of coarse offer $750 CASH and strike the deal.

Here's what I would do:

JK axles D44's
Tj suspension
TJ I-6/tranny
Clean the body up and repaint
New interior
Winch,bumpers,lineX Bed

Ok Do you now have $15K?

LOL

Jason

OlneyJeeps
08-26-2008, 02:31 PM
AC is for GIRLS (no offence Amber :aagh:)!!! AC means you have York onboard air compressor!

SavageSun4x4
08-26-2008, 02:33 PM
If you're going to low bid, do it right.... use $20's (or even $10's)... makes it look like more (suitcase of $1's might be pushing it though)

Can be for sure, but for purchases over several hundred bucks I find $100 dollar bills talk real loud...

Joe West
08-26-2008, 02:48 PM
I asked the owner if she had any of the original purchase paperwork or any pictures of the Jeep when it was new... if she does; that will be the icing on the cake.

If, after I go out and look at it; I decide not to buy it... I'll give the ladies name to whoever posted or PM'd about it first (I received some PMs from people who were interested if I turned it down). I'll check the timestamps to make sure the first person who contacted me gets the next chance to buy it.

It's funny... I was only so-so interested in this Jeep before I found out that this lady was the original owner and it has factory air... I'm much more interested now that she sent me a bit of history.

I'll let everyone know how it goes... keep your fingers crossed for me :)

Joe

Joe West
08-26-2008, 04:40 PM
Well gang... here's a picture of that CJ-8 brand new and the owner back in 1982:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22552&stc=1&d=1219790330

vin man
08-26-2008, 04:46 PM
I wonder what she paid for it back then?

wild mustang
08-26-2008, 05:19 PM
I asked for it first!!!!:kenny::kenny::kenny:

you are running out of room fast...you have 3 vehicles sitting at my house right now....we look like a jeep salvage yard :D :stuart:

not that i mind :laugh2:

it will be a great project and well worth the time...a real classic beauty :winkiss:

azshtr
08-26-2008, 05:39 PM
Anyone know how to hack computers. I want to be able to change time stamps on PMs and threads. Then I can be first in line on second dibs

Jdemonto
08-26-2008, 05:42 PM
Anyone know how to hack computers. I want to be able to change time stamps on PMs and threads. Then I can be first in line on second dibs

Don't worry Steve doesn't need any more jeeps!

Jason

TRobertsRN
08-26-2008, 07:56 PM
Too bad she remarried, I already have a Willys Pickup but I could use a tall blonde.


Tom

jay simmons
08-26-2008, 08:51 PM
that is such a great deal good luck trying to find another one like that

MisfitTom138
08-27-2008, 07:18 AM
you over paid



Same thing popped in my head.


And Joe, looks like quite a project. Could be fun though.

Joe West
08-27-2008, 07:27 PM
I need another project like I need a hole in the head... but... I can't STAND not having a Jeep. I can picture this thing sitting in my driveway... begging me to take it completely apart and put it back together :)

It will be staring at me while I finish my degree at ASU... but come May of next year; watch out!

We'll see how it goes on Sunday. The lady I'm dealing with is incredibly nice so I'm really looking forward to meeting her.

Joe



Same thing popped in my head.


And Joe, looks like quite a project. Could be fun though.

chopped7
08-28-2008, 04:01 AM
i've been following this thread and decided to throw in my.02. i wouldn't pass on it unless the frame is rusted out. with that said, i wouldn't do a full resto either. the only reason i would separate the body from the frame would be to replace the bushings and bolts [but i wouldn't even do that]. you would be suprised how well that could clean up.

from looking at the pics, cleaning up the wiring and getting the engine running right would be the hardest part.

if it were me, i would treat it like an 8 hundred dollar vehicle, not try to get it back to oem. whatever needs replaced, i would replace with aftermarket. i wouldn't even mess around with the hood and fenders. get rid of all that rust up front with an aftermarket highline type 1 piece or a new hood and tube fenders. the bumpers have to go so custom built ones or bolt ons would be a nice upgrade. try to save the rusty door, hopefully the rust isn't too deep. a lift kit and shackles will take care of most of the issues underneath. maybe some new tre's and ball joints if needed but i doubt it does. new seats and diy bedline the inside of the tub. i wouldn't even worry about the little bit of rust in the floor. a little bodywork and paint and you're done.

i guess my point is, it doesn't look like a huge project to me if you use what's there. just some clean up and some cool parts. i would bet for about 3k-4k, you could double your money on it [not that you would turn and burn it but you know what i mean]. and get it done quick with a little help. jmo.
good luck, i hope it's in good enough shape to revive. a jeep that cool deserves it.

Antman
08-28-2008, 08:58 AM
Good luck Joe, that's sounds like a deal and jeep made just for you.

BTW Don, your so full of crap!:laugh2:

You should be working with Jason.:smug:



It's raining here in Anchorage and I'm, gonna get wet today.:)

Joe West
08-28-2008, 10:46 AM
Hi Gang,

I'm headed out now to go do the deal... I'll take more pictures and post them when I get back.

Joe

Jdemonto
08-28-2008, 11:33 AM
Well gang... here's a picture of that CJ-8 brand new and the owner back in 1982:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22552&stc=1&d=1219790330

WOW, A original pic too! I would almost hate to build up a jeep with that kind of history!!!

Jason

FrenchChili
08-28-2008, 11:58 AM
WOW, A original pic too! I would almost hate to build up a jeep with that kind of history!!!

Jason

x2, restore this one and find another pos to beat one.

jay simmons
08-28-2008, 01:13 PM
i've been following this thread and decided to throw in my.02. i wouldn't pass on it unless the frame is rusted out. with that said, i wouldn't do a full resto either. the only reason i would separate the body from the frame would be to replace the bushings and bolts [but i wouldn't even do that]. you would be suprised how well that could clean up.

from looking at the pics, cleaning up the wiring and getting the engine running right would be the hardest part.

if it were me, i would treat it like an 8 hundred dollar vehicle, not try to get it back to oem. whatever needs replaced, i would replace with aftermarket. i wouldn't even mess around with the hood and fenders. get rid of all that rust up front with an aftermarket highline type 1 piece or a new hood and tube fenders. the bumpers have to go so custom built ones or bolt ons would be a nice upgrade. try to save the rusty door, hopefully the rust isn't too deep. a lift kit and shackles will take care of most of the issues underneath. maybe some new tre's and ball joints if needed but i doubt it does. new seats and diy bedline the inside of the tub. i wouldn't even worry about the little bit of rust in the floor. a little bodywork and paint and you're done.

i guess my point is, it doesn't look like a huge project to me if you use what's there. just some clean up and some cool parts. i would bet for about 3k-4k, you could double your money on it [not that you would turn and burn it but you know what i mean]. and get it done quick with a little help. jmo.
good luck, i hope it's in good enough shape to revive. a jeep that cool deserves it.

Thats what I'm talking about...........

Joe West
08-28-2008, 04:25 PM
Hi gang,

I just came back from looking at the CJ-8 and here are a few of the things I learned from the (original) owner and a few of my own observations.

1. Engine and drivetrain are original and have never been replaced. The Jeep was parked due to a transmission mount failure and when it was parked, it ran fine.

2. There is nothing more than a light surface rust anywhere on the frame or body. The truck had never been out of Arizona (as in NEVER) so the fact there is no rust isn't a surprise.

3. There were no cracks on any of the frame welds or body mounts, including shock mounts and body mount tabs.

4. The frame and undercarriage still had most of the black coating that came (I assume) from the factory.

5. The fiberglass hard top is cracked in a few spots and crunched a bit on the front corners where it meets the windshield.

6. The wiring for the AC is a MESS, but the underdash unit is in perfect shape (they brought it out from a storage shed which is why it isn't shown in any of the pictures).

One thing I was disappointed in was that there was no provision on the bed to mount the wood side panels (which I think look great). When I spoke to the owner, she said that it didn't come with any (which means I won't be adding them).

I'll post up some pictures shortly as soon as they download from the camera.

I'll be renting a flatbed on Sunday and bringing it home. My first plan is simply to clean it up a bit, change all the fluids, go through the brakes and get it running (assuming it will run).

By the way; I don't think there is any way I can do anything but restore this and drive it. The fact that it has the original drivetrain that is still in great shape coupled with the fact that there is absolutely no sign of undercarriage abuse (the skid plate isn't even dented!) means that I really need to give this thing a good cleaning and safety inspection and then fire it up and see what happens. If things break; I may replace them with better (newer) parts and upgrade as I go... but I can't picture this being a beater.

The title is now in my name so I guess the adventure begins... I feel like a kid on Christmas :)

Standby for a few more pictures...

Joe

vin man
08-28-2008, 04:46 PM
Congrats Joe. Looking forward to the pics. You should take one of the owner in the same pose as the original pic. Maybe not in the bikini.... but you get the idea.

04jeeptj
08-28-2008, 04:50 PM
....Maybe not in the bikini....


X2.. Congrats

Joe West
08-28-2008, 05:10 PM
More pics:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22586&stc=1&d=1219964820

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22587&stc=1&d=1219964820

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22588&stc=1&d=1219964820

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22589&stc=1&d=1219964820

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22590&stc=1&d=1219964820

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22591&stc=1&d=1219964820

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22592&stc=1&d=1219964820

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22593&stc=1&d=1219964820

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22594&stc=1&d=1219964820

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22595&stc=1&d=1219964820

Jdemonto
08-28-2008, 05:40 PM
Congrats Joe!!!!

Hopefully you can restore it to the original condition like the pics...That would be sweet!

Jason

Joe West
08-28-2008, 05:59 PM
First Step:

Get it running :D

Hopefully I'll have it on the road in the next month (barring any major problems). Once I get it running down the road on its own it will likely stay "unrestored" until I'm done at ASU in May.

I'm putting together a laundry list of parts I need and then I'll be sending it to Cole at 4-Wheelers to see what they can hook me up with.

It has been what? Three years since I sold my Jeep? It will finally be nice to drive a Jeep to a group function instead of my Corvair :)





Congrats Joe!!!!

Hopefully you can restore it to the original condition like the pics...That would be sweet!

Jason

Twister_ems
08-28-2008, 06:06 PM
Is that an FJ with a vjc sticker on it sitting next to it? :aagh: lol just hackin on ya. Looks like quite the lil project. I love the look of those old scramblers.

cecil
08-28-2008, 06:55 PM
That CJ is a thing of beauty.....Congrats!

Huck
08-28-2008, 08:03 PM
Joe owns a Jeep, Joe owns a Jeep:driving::party:

Congrats

johnstd
08-28-2008, 08:19 PM
Congrates Joe, wish I would have found it. But just out of curiosity, where abouts was it? I live in Maricopa (3 years now) and I like to drive the backroads on the weekends just looking for this kind of stuff, and never came across this. Generly speaking, can you say where this find was? It's killing me......

Joe West
08-28-2008, 08:22 PM
It was off a road just past the casino headed west. Follow the road around for about 10 miles and then turn off on a dirt road. I don't recall the main road but I could go back and look if you want the actual names. It was roughly 13 miles West and North of Maricopa.



Congrates Joe, wish I would have found it. But just out of curiosity, where abouts was it? I live in Maricopa (3 years now) and I like to drive the backroads on the weekends just looking for this kind of stuff, and never came across this. Generly speaking, can you say where this find was? It's killing me......

ademster
08-28-2008, 08:30 PM
Hey Joe,

Seeing the pictures I see the door strike is rusted pretty good...

I have a pair out of my CJ-7 which are identical to those...

hollar if you want them,..


and they are not rusted.

Joe West
08-28-2008, 08:36 PM
Thanks Adam. I'll definitely take them. I'll shoot you a PM.



Hey Joe,

Seeing the pictures I see the door strike is rusted pretty good...

I have a pair out of my CJ-7 which are identical to those...

hollar if you want them,..


and they are not rusted.

ademster
08-28-2008, 08:40 PM
Pm Returned.

wild mustang
08-28-2008, 09:15 PM
congrats joe....looking forward to more pics when the restore begins. in the mean time, enjoy having a jeep again...

johnstd
08-28-2008, 09:20 PM
I'll just have to keep looking. Have fun with the new project and update us on the progess.

johnstd
08-28-2008, 09:21 PM
I'll just have to keep looking. Have fun with the new project and update us on the progess.

johnstd
08-28-2008, 09:23 PM
[QUOTE=johnstd;370007]It was off a road just past the casino headed west. Follow the road around for about 10 miles and then turn off on a dirt road. I don't recall the main road but I could go back and look if you want the actual names. It was roughly 13 miles West and North of Maricopa.

I'll just have to keep looking. You have fun with the new project and update us on the progess

Tom Schenk
08-28-2008, 10:02 PM
Looks like ALL the cool kids have sold their TJ's and are building CJ's. Congrats Joe!

FrenchChili
08-28-2008, 11:10 PM
Hi gang,

I just came back from looking at the CJ-8 and here are a few of the things I learned from the (original) owner and a few of my own observations.

1. Engine and drivetrain are original and have never been replaced. The Jeep was parked due to a transmission mount failure and when it was parked, it ran fine.

2. There is nothing more than a light surface rust anywhere on the frame or body. The truck had never been out of Arizona (as in NEVER) so the fact there is no rust isn't a surprise.

3. There were no cracks on any of the frame welds or body mounts, including shock mounts and body mount tabs.

4. The frame and undercarriage still had most of the black coating that came (I assume) from the factory.

5. The fiberglass hard top is cracked in a few spots and crunched a bit on the front corners where it meets the windshield.

6. The wiring for the AC is a MESS, but the underdash unit is in perfect shape (they brought it out from a storage shed which is why it isn't shown in any of the pictures).

One thing I was disappointed in was that there was no provision on the bed to mount the wood side panels (which I think look great). When I spoke to the owner, she said that it didn't come with any (which means I won't be adding them).

I'll post up some pictures shortly as soon as they download from the camera.

I'll be renting a flatbed on Sunday and bringing it home. My first plan is simply to clean it up a bit, change all the fluids, go through the brakes and get it running (assuming it will run).

By the way; I don't think there is any way I can do anything but restore this and drive it. The fact that it has the original drivetrain that is still in great shape coupled with the fact that there is absolutely no sign of undercarriage abuse (the skid plate isn't even dented!) means that I really need to give this thing a good cleaning and safety inspection and then fire it up and see what happens. If things break; I may replace them with better (newer) parts and upgrade as I go... but I can't picture this being a beater.

The title is now in my name so I guess the adventure begins... I feel like a kid on Christmas :)

Standby for a few more pictures...

Joe




:fashizzle:

FrenchChili
08-28-2008, 11:14 PM
2nd step

-Battery kill switch
-Fuel pump kill switch
-Wheel lock
-Brake/clutch lock
-Alarm (with train horn)
-LowJack
-An angry pic of you taped to the mirror

jay simmons
08-28-2008, 11:19 PM
what a great find I could never find deals like that.....

Andy
08-29-2008, 12:15 AM
That thing is sweeeeet!

AZdezertgirl
08-30-2008, 12:23 AM
Joe-

Sometimes money, cost, repairs, do not matter. Sentimental value (whether passed on or not) means alot. When Joe and I went to purchase the CJ5 we offered the guy $200 less. the owner then told us he would sell it to us for $300 less because he felt we were good people and knew we would appreciate it. That there is enough for us to love it. We have had major issues with emissions that have cost more than the 300 we saved but it comes down to .. well.. we just love it! haha.. its sooo cute and its ours!! I think having a history makes all the difference.

what Im looking for next....

well...
I would have loved to have had this! but it was in colorado

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=130244872100


take care and cant wait to see it out when its up and running!

Joe West
08-31-2008, 07:06 AM
SUNDAY!

I'm sitting here drinking a cup of coffee getting ready to fire up the FJ and go get the Scrambler.... and once it is parked here at my house, I'm going to have to figure out how to force myself to do homework instead of working on the Scrambler.

High on the priority list will be to get some glass in the passenger door and the cab rear window to keep out the rain... hopefully I can get my hands on those parts next week.

Well... I'm off to Maricopa... I'll post something when I get back.

Joe

MisfitTom138
08-31-2008, 09:13 AM
Nice! Homework? On a sunday? No way could I do homework with a new jeep in the driveway.

ob1jeeper
08-31-2008, 09:52 AM
Joe,
On this old of a vehicle, finding glass that does not already have a stress riser (small chip, etc) is gonna be a crap shoot at best. Those small imperfections can be VERY tricky to work around and not break the glass during the removal/install. For the door glass if you're set on trying to find used stuff, you'd almost be better off repainting a complete door than trying to extract the glass, then re-install into a different door without damaging it.

IMHO, when it's all said and done, your best bang-for-the-$, is usually to simply get it done by a glass shop, who have the tools and access to NEW materials. Besides if they break a glass during install, they replace it with no additional fees.

Good luck...;)

Bilt4Comfort
08-31-2008, 10:25 AM
Tempered glass cannot have a "chip" in it. It's either broken or it's not...it cannot be weakened. I don't know anything about Scramblers, but I'm assuming they have tempered door glass.

ob1jeeper
08-31-2008, 01:04 PM
Tempered glass cannot have a "chip" in it. It's either broken or it's not...it cannot be weakened. I don't know anything about Scramblers, but I'm assuming they have tempered door glass.
Not true... As an example, I happen to have several chips/scars in the pass door glass (tempered) in my '03 Ram truck at this very moment. Courtesy of some punk kids who tried to beat on it with a rock, in attempts to get inside, while it was parked in a motel parking lot a few months ago.:( Someone apparently scared them off before they got inside, but the police were unable to find any traces of them.:(

I understand that there is a perception that it will not chip, but only shatter, but that is simply not the case in all instances. The above example is one of several I have witnessed.

As for tempered glass shattering, I have some experience with what that's like, including this most recent one.:aagh: The bulk of the driver door glass in same truck, landed in my lap (not to mention, all over my face & the interior) about 10 days ago, from a stone thrown off a tire of a passing vehicle, in a road construction project zone near Socorro, NM...:(

Sorry for the hijack...

Bilt4Comfort
08-31-2008, 01:20 PM
OK then...I'll take your word for it. I use to work tempering glass, and if an edge ever banged anything...it popcorned every time. I never once witnessed a clam (chip) on anything tempered. That was flat glass though.

Joe West
08-31-2008, 07:17 PM
Hi Gang,

Here are a few of the pictures I took today. I was up at 5am and just walked in from working on the Jeep... today was mostly a "clean up and figure out what I've got" kind of day. Now that I have about 100 pounds of dirt off of the undercarriage, I can start taking things apart and see what I need to start this baby up. So much to do....

Picking it up in Maricopa:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22663&stc=1&d=1220231320


Stopping at Autozone to get some rope to hold the cab down

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22662&stc=1&d=1220231320


Unloading at the house:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22661&stc=1&d=1220231320


Hunter taking separating the engine from the transmission and transfer case:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22660&stc=1&d=1220231320


Done spraying out the bed and undercarriage:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22659&stc=1&d=1220231320


Lincoln seats removed:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22658&stc=1&d=1220231320


More interior shots after cleaning the floor:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22657&stc=1&d=1220231320


Side view after cleaning:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22656&stc=1&d=1220231320


Interior again:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22655&stc=1&d=1220231320


Final interior shot:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22654&stc=1&d=1220231320

DrewDog
08-31-2008, 07:30 PM
Great looking rig. Now get to work!!!!!.......D

Jdemonto
08-31-2008, 07:34 PM
Lots of potential, Nice to see that you already started cleaning it!

Jason

Joe West
08-31-2008, 07:40 PM
I can't stand mud, grease, rocks, spiders, and various other bits falling in my face... much better to start with a good cleaning and then begin rebuilding the parts that I need to get this Scrambler on the road.

I'm trying to focus on homework but all I can think about is getting this Scrambler back on the road :)




Lots of potential, Nice to see that you already started cleaning it!

Jason

probable cause
08-31-2008, 07:40 PM
sweet!

FrenchChili
08-31-2008, 08:02 PM
I can't stand mud, grease, rocks, spiders, and various other bits falling in my face... much better to start with a good cleaning and then begin rebuilding the parts that I need to get this Scrambler on the road.

I'm trying to focus on homework but all I can think about is getting this Scrambler back on the road :)

x2 I can't stand a dirty vehicle to work on...usually my powertrain/frame is cleaner than the exterior lol


Gonna have a build thread?

My Green Jeep
08-31-2008, 08:13 PM
Nice find boss... looks much better since you hosed her off! :fashizzle:

Hey.. how much did you finally pay for her? :drummer:

Joe West
08-31-2008, 08:47 PM
I ended up paying $950 I offered her $850 but she said she was hoping for a bit more... I figured with a whole working additional 258 motor, auto trans, and transfer case... it was worth it. I'll be trying to sell the automatic transmission and transfer case shortly. I'll keep the 258 until I'm sure the one in the Scrambler works.




Nice find boss... looks much better since you hosed her off! :fashizzle:

Hey.. how much did you finally pay for her? :drummer:

wolf tracker
08-31-2008, 09:15 PM
nice ride when you get ready to do the top I would be willing to see about giving you a hand fixing it I used to do fiberglass work for a living and am still pretty good at it.

FrenchChili
08-31-2008, 10:52 PM
So wait, which is the original powetrain? the one that's in it or the one that was in the back of the cj?

Would be nice to keep matching #s

Joe West
09-01-2008, 04:16 AM
The one that is in it is the original. I definitely want to keep it original if at all possible.




So wait, which is the original powetrain? the one that's in it or the one that was in the back of the cj?

Would be nice to keep matching #s

My Green Jeep
09-01-2008, 09:29 AM
That is still a sweet find... keep the pictures coming!

brian lujan
09-01-2008, 09:31 AM
awsome find

MisfitTom138
09-01-2008, 11:24 AM
Awesome. Should come together nice!

Erich
09-01-2008, 11:32 AM
The one that is in it is the original. I definitely want to keep it original if at all possible.

So is this gonna be a restoration, or a modification/build?
Are we gonna see it on the trail or Barret Jackson?
lol

SavageSun4x4
09-01-2008, 12:19 PM
x2 I can't stand a dirty vehicle to work on...usually my powertrain/frame is cleaner than the exterior lol


Gonna have a build thread?

X 1 million.

Buddy of mine owns a 4x4 shop. Dirty Jeeps get taken to the car wash for cleaning. Cost = 5 x the amount spent on cleaning engine and under carriage.

Joe West
09-01-2008, 01:04 PM
Trail of course... however; not highway to hell or axle alley both of which I abused my last Jeep on :)



So is this gonna be a restoration, or a modification/build?
Are we gonna see it on the trail or Barret Jackson?
lol

Joe West
09-01-2008, 02:31 PM
Hi Gang,

Just finished taking off the rear bumper... I can't say I miss the bent one :)

Joe

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22686&stc=1&d=1220301043

Joe West
09-01-2008, 05:07 PM
Hi Gang,

Instead of posting all the details of my new Scrambler project in the General Forum, I'll just post them here to keep the General forum "uncluttered".

I'm going to try and combine all the threads I've posted into a single thread here... it will be interesting to see if this works :)

Joe

DrewDog
09-01-2008, 09:49 PM
Joe,

Looking good. I love the old Scramblers and can't wait to see you get this one up and running.........D

Erich
09-02-2008, 09:53 AM
Lookin good! What size tires are you gonna run? Lift? What type?
Cant wait to see the transformation....

Howyadoin
09-02-2008, 10:29 AM
That thing is awesome! I agree that I would try to keep it as original as possible. Very cool, can't wait to see the progress.

Joe West
09-03-2008, 01:56 PM
Hi Gang,

I ordered a bunch of used Jeep parts out of California today; at some pretty decent prices. Picked up new U-Joints, turn signals, gasket covers and some other parts from Cole at 4-Wheeler's Supply and now it's time to start getting the Jeep ready to roll. This morning I got up early and took the can of PB Blaster to U-joint bolts on all the drive shafts and the fuel tank bolts... the plan for this weekend is to rebuild the drive shafts, drain and refill the front and rear axles (I still need a gasket for the Dana 20 as 4-Wheeler's didn't have any) and clean out the fuel tank and replace the fuel lines.

Joe

04jeeptj
09-03-2008, 02:08 PM
I'm going to have to figure out how to force myself to do homework instead of working on the Scrambler.




the plan for this weekend is to rebuild the drive shafts, drain and refill the front and rear axles....

I guess this means no homework this weekend.. :P

Tom Schenk
09-03-2008, 02:11 PM
Joe, Checker has the good AMC 20 gaskets for less than $10

OlneyJeeps
09-03-2008, 05:50 PM
sweet buy! (been gone for a little, hence lack of my coments)

Things to think about
Use the auto (5spd is explosive junk... why you can get $300-500 easy for them... everyone breaks them)
rear axles: convert to XJ (or better yet commando springs if you can find them): frame (72 commando) was designed for the longer springs
if you run rear seat, TJ rear fits like it was made for it (have done in tour Jeep, love it)

Joe West
09-03-2008, 06:09 PM
Thanks for the feedback.

The transmission is a T-176 4 speed; the upgrade to the T4/T5 light duty transmissions. I've read decent things about the T-176 but only by people who own them and only relative to the T4/T5 which people say are junk at best. What are your feelings on the T-176?

As far as the automatic goes; I can't stand the thought of using an automatic. I'm going to try and sell the transmission and transfer case as a pair to someone who does the serious rock crawling... I'll never do the serious stuff in this Jeep.


sweet buy! (been gone for a little, hence lack of my coments)

Things to think about
Use the auto (5spd is explosive junk... why you can get $300-500 easy for them... everyone breaks them)
rear axles: convert to XJ (or better yet commando springs if you can find them): frame (72 commando) was designed for the longer springs
if you run rear seat, TJ rear fits like it was made for it (have done in tour Jeep, love it)

YJINAZ
09-03-2008, 08:55 PM
So what size tires and lift are you going to use?

OlneyJeeps
09-03-2008, 10:05 PM
Thanks for the feedback.

The transmission is a T-176 4 speed; the upgrade to the T4/T5 light duty transmissions. I've read decent things about the T-176 but only by people who own them and only relative to the T4/T5 which people say are junk at best. What are your feelings on the T-176?

As far as the automatic goes; I can't stand the thought of using an automatic. I'm going to try and sell the transmission and transfer case as a pair to someone who does the serious rock crawling... I'll never do the serious stuff in this Jeep.

The 176 is good RELATIVE to the T5 but they still break. I'm thinking has a lower 1st gear. I've driven many with T5, T176, T18, T150... Switched my CJ7 to auto and never want to go back (I have a 32RH sitting in garage slated to go into my TJ)

Seriously look into the suspension recomendation I made (come over and check out my Commando).... articulation is sick (why XJ's are so great) and the ride is unbelievably better. As for seats, suspension seats are great but I am loving the TJ seats I replaced my Beard's with.

Joe West
09-03-2008, 10:37 PM
Not sure on the tires or lift yet... I want to get it running in stock form before I start doing any aftermarket mods. I'm doing the "easy to do in a single day" kind of repairs and once I graduate, I'll start thinking about mods. There is one thing I'm sure of; this won't be a rock crawler... (perhaps famous last words... watch; in a few words someone will find this post and remind me of what I said)



Lookin good! What size tires are you gonna run? Lift? What type?
Cant wait to see the transformation....

ademster
09-03-2008, 11:03 PM
Joe,
Did you still want the door strikers?

TRobertsRN
09-03-2008, 11:10 PM
Thanks for the feedback.

The transmission is a T-176 4 speed; the upgrade to the T4/T5 light duty transmissions. I've read decent things about the T-176 but only by people who own them and only relative to the T4/T5 which people say are junk at best. What are your feelings on the T-176?

As far as the automatic goes; I can't stand the thought of using an automatic. I'm going to try and sell the transmission and transfer case as a pair to someone who does the serious rock crawling... I'll never do the serious stuff in this Jeep.


Here is some good info on the T-176, should do very well with the stock engine.

http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/t176.htm

Joe West
09-03-2008, 11:10 PM
Absolutely! I just don't know what they are worth... $15 each?


Joe,
Did you still want the door strikers?

ademster
09-03-2008, 11:24 PM
Absolutely! I just don't know what they are worth... $15 each?



I dont know what they are worth, Just come get them!!!!

No need for payment...

Well... maybe when my member ship Jpotts got me expires, you could just magically renew it again!!
:beta1:

Joe West
09-05-2008, 08:59 PM
Hi Gang,

A quick update. With the help of Eric (a member who sold me two full doors) and Errick (who sold me the replacement hard top) I finally have a sealed, waterproof (well... almost waterproof) cab.

Today I removed and re-sealed the bulkhead, installed the top and doors, and did some other minor work.

Tomorrow I'm hoping to knock out the driveshaft rebuilds and front and rear axle inspection/cleaning.

I should of course, be doing homework... but hey... why do homework when you can put it off until the last minute! :D

Joe




http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22759&stc=1&d=1220669608

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22760&stc=1&d=1220669608

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http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22767&stc=1&d=1220669608

Joe West
09-05-2008, 09:05 PM
Thanks Tom... excellent read and a fair amount of technical information. Makes me think I can rebuild it myself if I need to :)


Here is some good info on the T-176, should do very well with the stock engine.

http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/t176.htm

Joe West
10-12-2008, 06:05 PM
Latest update...

I finished installing all new fuel lines, cleaned out the fuel tank, installed new fuel sending unit and filter, installed NOS rear bumper, replacement tailgate, fuel filler and vent hose.

I also installed new shift knobs and new shift boot on the interior to replace the missing knobs and shredded boot.

Funny... I figured it would take me half a day to do this and it took a full day from 9am until 4:30pm. Sheesh :)

Beautiful day to be working outside though...

Here's a couple of shots:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23493&stc=1&d=1223856296

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23494&stc=1&d=1223856296

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23495&stc=1&d=1223856590

TRobertsRN
10-12-2008, 06:16 PM
Looks good Joe.

You are moving right along.

I am sure you said before, but what are your plans for seats?

vin man
10-12-2008, 06:35 PM
Looks good Joe. Keep the progress updates coming.
I have a factory BBD 2 bbl carb. Let me know if you can use it.

Joe West
10-12-2008, 07:03 PM
Still not sure. I'd go with TJ seats if it weren't for the fact that I hated the ones in my TJ (for some reason, they made my lower back really sore).
I replaced the seats in my TJ with Mastercraft and I really loved them so they are an option. I'm a little torn about whether or not to stick with the factory original seats.

I'm still a ways off before I'll need seats. I need to redo all the brakes, driveshafts, finish the steering column work, clean up the wiring and then start under the hood :)

I'm hoping something pops up that I can't pass up sometime before I actually need seats :)

Joe


Looks good Joe.

You are moving right along.

I am sure you said before, but what are your plans for seats?

Joe West
10-12-2008, 07:04 PM
I definitely want it and the air cleaner; I just need to come over and get them and bring you your favorite beer :)

Please hold them for me and I'll aim to get them this week sometime.

Thanks,

Joe


Looks good Joe. Keep the progress updates coming.
I have a factory BBD 2 bbl carb. Let me know if you can use it.

Jdemonto
10-12-2008, 10:21 PM
Looking good Joe!!

Jason

AZredneck1862
10-12-2008, 10:37 PM
hey are u sure thats not my cj 7
spaghetti under the dash
vaccum hoses about 2 feet too long

looks like my jeep
is the guys last name york by any chance might be his brother

joedokes28
10-17-2008, 08:58 AM
Thats looking great!

Joe West
11-05-2008, 07:17 PM
Hi Gang,

I finally found a set of factory seats in the correct blue denim color and a factory AM/FM/CB radio which I installed (along with speakers) today. I still have to wire everything up, but the interior is looking a bit better than when I started.

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23839&stc=1&d=1225937691

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23840&stc=1&d=1225937691

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23841&stc=1&d=1225937691

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23842&stc=1&d=1225937691

DanFelix
11-05-2008, 09:39 PM
Hey Joe, maybe I've had too many beers tonight or maybe you didn't say, but did you get it running yet?

vin man
11-08-2008, 01:30 PM
Joe,
What are you planning to do for ignition system? I put an HEI setup in my Jeep, so I have a stock electronic module, coil, distibutor and wires. Let me know if you're interested.

haines
11-10-2008, 06:50 PM
Wow, it is really looking good. Did you find that AM/FM/CB on ebay? They are very hard to find!

Joe West
12-02-2008, 04:11 PM
Actually... I found it on Craigslist. Someone was selling a dealership radio display from AMC/Jeep and I noticed it had the radios still in it (3 anyway) so I asked them to take the radios out and then ship them to me. Told them they could keep the display and sell it since it was too heavy/too expensive to ship.

Sold one of the radios on eBay for what I paid for all 3 and I still have one left that will go on eBay shortly.


Wow, it is really looking good. Did you find that AM/FM/CB on ebay? They are very hard to find!

Joe West
12-02-2008, 04:16 PM
Some updates since my last update post.

(Check out my photo album for the latest pictures).

I rebuilt the BBD carb, replaced the radiator with a new one, new power steering pump, new water pump, new alternator, all new hoses and belts (including vacuum lines and heater hoses.

I just finished routing the factory wiring for the AM/FM/CB radio and installing new speakers in the factory location. The interior is coming along nicely although there is still a ton to do. I need to find a blue center console and blue dashpad if I can... otherwise I'll paint the ones I have.

Next on my hit list is cleaning up the wiring under the hood, replacing the freeze plugs (yuk), replacing the rear main seal and replacing the drive shaft U-joints. After this... we should be ready for the first road test.

Joe

Joe West
12-02-2008, 04:29 PM
I am definitely interested. I'm keeping the system stock for now so any spare parts will be good. I'd be happy to come pick them up! Heck... I feel like I'm taking your entire Jeep :D

Thanks!


Joe,
What are you planning to do for ignition system? I put an HEI setup in my Jeep, so I have a stock electronic module, coil, distibutor and wires. Let me know if you're interested.

ob1jeeper
12-02-2008, 05:24 PM
Some updates since my last update post.

(Check out my photo album for the latest pictures).

I rebuilt the BBD carb, replaced the radiator with a new one, new power steering pump, new water pump, new alternator, all new hoses and belts (including vacuum lines and heater hoses.

I just finished routing the factory wiring for the AM/FM/CB radio and installing new speakers in the factory location. The interior is coming along nicely although there is still a ton to do. I need to find a blue center console and blue dashpad if I can... otherwise I'll paint the ones I have.

Next on my hit list is cleaning up the wiring under the hood, replacing the freeze plugs (yuk), replacing the rear main seal and replacing the drive shaft U-joints. After this... we should be ready for the first road test.

Joe
Will have to go look in storage, but I may have a blue dash pad... Know for sure there's a black one there... Let me know if I should make the storage locker trip...;)

Joe West
12-02-2008, 05:35 PM
I have a black replacement one already that is in great shape... I'll paint it if I have to. Don't make a special trip but if you are headed that way anyway, let me know. It might be part of a good swap for this 258 I have sitting in my garage that I'd LOVE to get rid of :)


Will have to go look in storage, but I may have a blue dash pad... Know for sure there's a black one there... Let me know if I should make the storage locker trip...;)

ob1jeeper
12-02-2008, 05:49 PM
I have a black replacement one already that is in great shape... I'll paint it if I have to. Don't make a special trip but if you are headed that way anyway, let me know. It might be part of a good swap for this 258 I have sitting in my garage that I'd LOVE to get rid of :)
Will let you know what I find...;)

zeitlerusmc
12-02-2008, 08:46 PM
nice work so far man keep the pics coming!

Joe West
12-22-2008, 03:42 PM
Thanks to ob1jeeper, I now have a new (used) dash pad... here's a shot of the interior with the new pad. One small step at a time :D

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24620&stc=1&d=1229985694

MisfitTom138
12-22-2008, 03:55 PM
That really cleans up the interior.

JamesT
12-22-2008, 04:09 PM
Hey, is that a factory cigar lighter? My CJ has one under the dash next to the ash tray, there is no hole in that location (I don't think).

don2222222
12-22-2008, 05:17 PM
Joe - Looking good.

I'd drive that!!

Joe West
12-22-2008, 06:35 PM
It is indeed factory according to the owner. The original owner and I correspond every few days now and every once in awhile I'll send her a list of questions as I rebuild things... she always answers.




Hey, is that a factory cigar lighter? My CJ has one under the dash next to the ash tray, there is no hole in that location (I don't think).

Joe West
12-22-2008, 06:46 PM
I definitely like it better than when I first saw it sitting in the desert in Maricopa.

NVRSTUKTJ
12-23-2008, 08:03 AM
hey Joe.....still want those hinges?

ob1jeeper
12-23-2008, 08:26 AM
Lookin' good...:smug:;)

Joe West
01-07-2009, 03:17 PM
Absolutely!

I just need to come get them. Can you give me a call when it is convenient and I can head over?

480-522-6186 (Cell)

Thanks so much!


hey Joe.....still want those hinges?

Joe West
01-07-2009, 03:28 PM
Hi Gang,

Here is an update on the Scrambler project.

I finished installing the rear main seal, engine and transmission mounts, changed out the oil in the transmission and transfer case (which means that all fluids are now new in the entire Jeep) and flushed the cooling system.

The Scrambler now runs perfectly... smooth as silk on the idle and good throttle response (up on jack stands anyway :) ).

I have a few small things to do before it hits the road:

Change out power steering pump (old one leaks from sitting)
Replace rear driveshaft U-joint (one cap missing)
Install entire exhaust system

Once these three items are done, I'll be driving the Scrambler in to get emissions tested.

By the way... Re-installing the skid plate was a real bear after putting in all new mounts. I ended up having to loosen the motor mounts, install the skid plate on the transmission mounts and then have my son push on the transmission/transfer case assembly to move everything into alignment... once aligned, I jacked up the transfer case and bolted it in and then tightened the motor mounts. I'm amazed at how much drivetrain movement you have with everything loose... you can really move the drivetrain around quite a bit with everything loose. The most difficult thing was getting the engine located properly front to rear to align the skid plate.

There appears to be a light at the end of the tunnel... I'm so excited about getting this Scrambler on the road.

Joe

ademster
01-07-2009, 06:30 PM
congrats Joe and I still have the door strikes for you

Joe West
01-07-2009, 07:58 PM
Thanks Adam,

I think I'll pick them up when I come over to have the exhaust welded up. I'm online now looking at a CJ8 exhaust kit


congrats Joe and I still have the door strikes for you

don2222222
01-07-2009, 09:18 PM
Joe - Good work - thanks for keeping a classic in working order!

Joe West
01-08-2009, 04:48 PM
Hi Gang,

Well... about 45 minutes ago I took the Scrambler off the jack stands for the first time since I purchased it and my wife and I took it for our first test drive... up to the gas station to fill the tank :)

Other than being extremely loud due to the lack of an exhaust system, the test drive went perfectly.

Here are a few shots of it sitting on its own four tires... DANG does it look small :) When it was up on jackstands it was about the height of my TJ. I spent so much time getting in and out of it while it was on jackstands I forgot how it felt to get in when it was at normal height :)


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25109&stc=1&d=1231458268

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25110&stc=1&d=1231458268


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MALLCRAWLER06
01-08-2009, 06:49 PM
Nice looks good!!

Joe West
01-15-2009, 08:24 PM
Stopped by 4 wheeler's today to order clutch, throwout bearing and bushing. Managed to drive 100 miles or so in the last day without a problem... and got 19.5mpg to boot :)

So far the Scrambler is making me proud :D

Joe

Joe West
01-18-2009, 06:13 AM
Hi Gang,

Yesterday I decided to tackle the leaky heater core problem on the Scrambler.
Pulling out the heater core was relatively easy and you DO NOT need to pull the dash out to do it (I've seen some posts that suggested it is easier to pull out the dash; I don't think it is necessary (and the service manual doesn't state to remove the dash either)).

Basically, the process involves disconnecting the battery, removing the heater control cables from the heater box (I use a pair of wire cutters to get behind the retainers and then slowly "walk" them off), disconnect the resistor wire and heater motor wire, disconnect the drain tubes and then remove the 4 nuts on the engine side of the firewall. It couldn't have taken me more than 30 minutes to do all of this. The hardest part was tipping down the heater box far enough to clear the fresh air intake box where the two meet just above the passenger floorboard. Slow and easy and out it came!

Here's what it looked like after I removed it:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/picture.php?albumid=37&pictureid=1307

And after I took the back off... yikes!

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/picture.php?albumid=37&pictureid=1316

A close up of the mess:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/picture.php?albumid=37&pictureid=1318

Hmmm... wonder where the leak was coming from:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/picture.php?albumid=37&pictureid=1314

and finally... here's what it looked like after the cleanup:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/picture.php?albumid=37&pictureid=1325


Next step is to rebuild the power steering gearbox and replace the clutch, TO bearing and pilot bearing.... then I can transition to "tinker" mode and start fixing all the "little" stuff :D

Joe

SavageSun4x4
01-18-2009, 09:57 AM
Where did you get the heater core, I need one for a project I have...

Joe West
01-18-2009, 10:33 AM
NAPA

It was around $30


Where did you get the heater core, I need one for a project I have...

SavageSun4x4
01-18-2009, 10:50 AM
Thanks, I need to build a intercooler:)

Joe West
04-25-2009, 08:13 PM
Hi Gang,

Well... another step on the rebuild of the Scrambler is complete. Today MikeGB and myself refurbished our A/C systems. On my end, the project included all new hoses, a new compressor, rebuilt/cleaned condenser, new accumulator/dryer and flushing out my evaporator with brake cleaner (everything else in the system was new) and a new A/C compressor belt.

Mike replaced his hoses and cleaned his existing system.

I've never rebuilt an A/C system so I was a bit apprehensive about it; especially concerning vacuuming down the system and fears of contamination and/or leaks.

Mike and I assembled everything on both Jeeps and then we rented a vacuum pump and gauge set from Autozone.

After connecting the vacuum pump to the gauge set and connecting the high side gauge and low side gauge to the compressor, I turned on the vacuum pump, opened the suction side of the gauge set and let the vacuum pull down the system to 30 in Hg which took about 3 minutes. Then I let the vacuum pump stay on an additional 30 minutes. I then closed the suction side of the gauge manifold, disconnected the vacuum pump and let the system sit for 15 minutes or so to make sure it didn't loose vacuum... it didn't.

Next step was to connect the R134 to the manifold via the same hose that was connected to the vacuum pump, start the Jeep and turn on the A/C and charge the system. It took roughly 30 ounces before the bubbles cleared from the sight glass and the suction side pressure (11) and high side pressure (235) were close to the spec in the Jeep manual. I noticed that the high side pressure was 30 psi or so more than the spec in the book but I chocked it up to not having the exact temperature and humidity (required to select the proper gauge pressures). I also wondered if the pressure might have been different due to using R134 instead of R12.

After charging the system, Tracy and I took the Scrambler on a test drive... the temperature at the outlet of the inside vent was 34 degrees F. It was so cold that Tracy asked me to turn it off; the Scrambler cab is really rather small and today wasn't a very warm day so it didn't take long to freeze her out.

Anyway... I'm extremely happy that everything is working. Mike and I spent almost the entire day today putting our A/C systems back together. Unfortunately, Mike's condenser had had a repair done on it which caused it to leak so we were unable to charge his system; we noticed the leak almost immediately :(

vin man
04-25-2009, 08:36 PM
Good news - glad you got it working.
I'll call on you both when it comes time to install mine. I got the delivered via UPS on Friday. A complete kit to add a/c to my CJ5. The only problem is that the front of my motor has been converted to a serpentine drive system. I'm not sure where the A/C compressor is going to be installed. I may need to relocate the alternator.

don2222222
04-25-2009, 08:36 PM
Joe, looks nice.

Joe West
04-25-2009, 08:52 PM
Are you sure it has been converted? Some CJs came from the factory with serpentine belts... my factory service manual shows both v-belts and serpentine belts.

The hardest part for me was finding the correct bracket for the alternator (for some reason the previous owner had taken it off). Once I had the correct alternator bracket, everything fell in to place nicely.

You can find (in fact, some people here posted some pictures of it) the correct compressor, alternator, and idler pulleys for a serpentine belt system OR you could convert back to v-belt... if it were me; I'd do the v-belt system since you can have a single belt fail and not loose everything (unlike a serpentine system where if you loose the belt you loose everything). Now that I''ve typed this... it occurs to me that you could simply carry a spare serpentine belt (I did on my TJ) and then have the best of everything since v-belts are a pain in the butt to change.

Anyway... if you need help getting your system put together and charged up; let me know. Now that I've done it twice, I'm pretty confident I could help you get yours up and running.

Just let me know... I have a month break before summer school starts :)

Joe



Good news - glad you got it working.
I'll call on you both when it comes time to install mine. I got the delivered via UPS on Friday. A complete kit to add a/c to my CJ5. The only problem is that the front of my motor has been converted to a serpentine drive system. I'm not sure where the A/C compressor is going to be installed. I may need to relocate the alternator.

vin man
04-26-2009, 09:22 AM
Are you sure it has been converted? Some CJs came from the factory with serpentine belts... my factory service manual shows both v-belts and serpentine belts.

The hardest part for me was finding the correct bracket for the alternator (for some reason the previous owner had taken it off). Once I had the

Thanks Joe. I'm pretty sure its been converted. Its not the original motor. I'll give you a call or pm to set something up.

TRobertsRN
04-26-2009, 12:14 PM
Outstanding,

I am not sure what is better, finally wheeling a Jeep project or having an upgrade or repair completed.

You guys have me motivated.

I did not know I could rent a vaccum pump from Autozone. Than you for that info.

I have a set of guages.

That $850 kit for my Willy Pickup from Vintage Air is looking good.

Now that does not include brackets and pulleys for the compressor.

My engine is a Gen I old style Chevy 350. Currently has old style V-belts. A conversion to a serpentine belt will be considered.

Just got a proper electric fan with cowl for the radiator. Have cooler for the automatic transmission in front of the radiator.

Once I install A/C depending on heat issues one or both of the evap for the A/C or the tranny cooler will have to be relocated with their own fan.

There is limited surface area in the front of the Willys.

Thanks again for the motivation.

Tom

mingoglia
04-26-2009, 12:49 PM
Good job Joe. Jobs that have to due with vehicle comfort during the scorching summer months are certainly even more thrilling to finish right before the hot AZ summer starts. Getting a cold, reliable A/C working on your new project is certainly one of them. For me it was getting my garage organized yesterday so now I'll have 3 of the 4 vehicles in the garage for the summer.

Joe West
04-26-2009, 01:49 PM
Hi Tom,

The entire job was much easier than I anticipated. I paid $500 for the compressor w/clutch, all new hoses, and the receiver/dryer and the only hiccup in the entire job was that the receiver/dryer had the wrong fittings so we had to return them and get the proper receiver/dryer... everything else was a simple bolt-together. Some things that you may want to consider when you put your system together:

1. Make sure all the fittings and hoses are absolutely clean (threads in the fittings included)

2. Lube the O-rings in the compressor hoses before you install the hoses.

3. Make sure the compressor you purchase has the proper R134 oil in it... if not, change out the oil using the proper quantity for your sysrtem (in ours with brand new clean everything the oil required was 6 ounces).

4. Be careful not to over-tighten things which could bend hoses/pipes and/or strip threads.

5. Get your R134 from Brown and Brown Chevrolet; it is half the cost of Checker and Auto Zone :)

Anyway... I encourage you to get this project done... and if you need help charging the system; call me and come on over!

Joe

Joe West
04-26-2009, 01:53 PM
Hi Mike,

This Jeep is my daily driver so A/C was important... especially with the vinyl factory seats (talk about sweating...).

I'm jealous you have a 3 car garage... I have a SMALL 2 car garage which means that the Jeep sits outside and roasts :) Of course... it still looks like **** so it doesn't matter if the paint fades any more :)


Good job Joe. Jobs that have to due with vehicle comfort during the scorching summer months are certainly even more thrilling to finish right before the hot AZ summer starts. Getting a cold, reliable A/C working on your new project is certainly one of them. For me it was getting my garage organized yesterday so now I'll have 3 of the 4 vehicles in the garage for the summer.

Joe West
05-12-2009, 05:40 PM
Hi Gang,

Thanks to Adam for letting me molest his Jeep.. My Scrambler now has a factory clock and tach. I hated driving around without a tach so it is a very welcome addition. I found instructions on the web on the exact locations and sizes to drill the holes for the clock and tach and the wiring for both the clock and tach were actually already in the Jeep (I'm guessing Jeep just made a single wiring harness that fit everything).

I also replaced the indicator assemblies for the lights, wiper, etc (the ones with the printed text on them that light up when you turn on the parking or headlights).

Just another step on the road to getting the Scrambler restored.

ademster
05-12-2009, 06:22 PM
Awesome...

I see the picture was taken a hour ago.

Joe West
05-12-2009, 06:35 PM
LOL...

I was pleasantly surprised to see that the clock worked :)



Awesome...

I see the picture was taken a hour ago.

ademster
05-12-2009, 06:40 PM
all the gauges worked perfectly.


I wouldnt have sold them to you otherwise.

TanTJJim
05-12-2009, 10:49 PM
Looking good, looks like it's going to be one clean jeep when it's done. And keeping stuff original is cool.

blazerv10
05-12-2009, 10:52 PM
thats awsome

AZredneck1862
05-14-2009, 11:49 PM
hey joe those look like new knobs where did you get them my headlight knob pulls off

phxtoad
05-15-2009, 04:15 PM
I dig the combo radio/CD.

Chuck Reynolds
05-28-2009, 07:50 PM
My rubber hoses (top) has leaked out all the R134 after I pulled on it in order to get to other parts I was replacing. Can you help me find the hose manifold kit with valve for my 1998 Cherokee 4.0. BAD timing with current temps rising fast and vacation (in Jeep as almost always) next week. Thanks in advance for all your assistance and referrals. White Mtn. bound as soon as A/C works! Thanks, Chuck

burnout88
05-28-2009, 09:46 PM
Hi Tom,

The entire job was much easier than I anticipated. I paid $500 for the compressor w/clutch, all new hoses, and the receiver/dryer and the only hiccup in the entire job was that the receiver/dryer had the wrong fittings so we had to return them and get the proper receiver/dryer... everything else was a simple bolt-together. Some things that you may want to consider when you put your system together:

1. Make sure all the fittings and hoses are absolutely clean (threads in the fittings included)

2. Lube the O-rings in the compressor hoses before you install the hoses.

3. Make sure the compressor you purchase has the proper R134 oil in it... if not, change out the oil using the proper quantity for your sysrtem (in ours with brand new clean everything the oil required was 6 ounces).

4. Be careful not to over-tighten things which could bend hoses/pipes and/or strip threads.

5. Get your R134 from Brown and Brown Chevrolet; it is half the cost of Checker and Auto Zone :)

Anyway... I encourage you to get this project done... and if you need help charging the system; call me and come on over!

Joe

Where did you get your compressor and hoses from? Local or online?

Joe West
07-04-2009, 12:35 PM
Hi Gang,

I completed two more projects on the Scrambler in the past two days. I added a cooling shroud for the radiator and I installed the factory air pump and all new hoses, diverter valve, clamps, etc.

Here are a few updated pictures...

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28584&stc=1&d=1246732404

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28583&stc=1&d=1246732404

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Joe West
07-04-2009, 01:29 PM
Here's the before picture:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28590&stc=1&d=1246735733

Wzzl13
07-06-2009, 12:56 PM
Looks like she cleaned up really nice for ya. Congrats again. I am
JEALOUS!!! but will still check on your progress.:beta1:

Desertdawg
07-06-2009, 01:38 PM
Nice work Joe! I still think you should do a frame off resto. J/K :laugh2:

Joe West
07-06-2009, 03:01 PM
Ya... your restoration is really giving me the itch. The problem is; I don't have the time right now with school. I'm hoping to get the Scrambler complete and fully functional... drive it for the next 4 years, and then consider doing a real restoration. If the body were in better shape, I'd actually consider leaving it un-restored but unfortunately, time in the Arizona sun has taken away that option.

Keep up the work on YOUR restoration... I absolutely love reading your posts and looking at the pictures. What great progress you've made!!!

Joe


Nice work Joe! I still think you should do a frame off resto. J/K :laugh2:

djui5
07-06-2009, 07:37 PM
Looks good Joe!

Joe West
09-24-2009, 07:10 PM
Hi Gang,

It's been awhile since I posted anything on the Scrambler restoration. School over the summer has really kept me out of trouble.

This week however, I removed the chrome rear bumper, had it stripped, and it is now in the powder coat shop getting powder coated back to the original white color. I'll post up some pictures when I get it back tomorrow.

Since my last post, I've replaced the springs and shocks and it now sits straight rather than tilting to the side :)

The next thing I'm doing is refinishing the doors back to the factory color. I've done a couple of door rebuilds on other cars so it should be easy on the Scrambler. After I strip them down, I'll take them to be spray painted back to the original color.

Over the summer, the A/C worked perfectly and I didn't have a single problem with the Scrambler... it has worked like a charm! I think I have put roughly 5,000 miles on the Scrambler since I purchased it a year ago and I couldn't be more pleased with how reliable it has been.

While I really enjoy watching Mike restore his MB, I don't think I have the patience to do a frame-off... I like driving vehicles while I restore them :)

Joe

mysunnshine
09-24-2009, 07:25 PM
While the doors are off you need to reinforce the upper sill from the inside so it does not crack next to the wing window like every other CJ door does-

Joe West
09-24-2009, 08:04 PM
Any recommendations?


While the doors are off you need to reinforce the upper sill from the inside so it does not crack next to the wing window like every other CJ door does-

mysunnshine
09-25-2009, 09:43 AM
You need to weld in some metal on the insides of the door the length of the door panel itself. The cracks come from the door pull stressing the inner panel. Lay the metal in there and drill some holes in your door and spot weld them in there. I personally would do both the inner and outer panels while it's apart. You can also weld the upper window channel to the lower door section too. The CJ's aren't welded but Jeep partially figured it out with the YJ's so they're welded already.

Joe West
09-25-2009, 07:52 PM
Perfect! This is exactly what I needed. Thanks Errick



You need to weld in some metal on the insides of the door the length of the door panel itself. The cracks come from the door pull stressing the inner panel. Lay the metal in there and drill some holes in your door and spot weld them in there. I personally would do both the inner and outer panels while it's apart. You can also weld the upper window channel to the lower door section too. The CJ's aren't welded but Jeep partially figured it out with the YJ's so they're welded already.

Joe West
09-26-2009, 11:43 AM
Hi Gang,

I got the bumper back from powder coating yesterday and assembled it today.
here are a few shots...

First... the Original white bumper:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29819&stc=1&d=1253986718

The NOS bumper I ordered which was (unfortunately) Chrome. I couldn't find any NOS white bumpers anywhere:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29820&stc=1&d=1253986718

Extreme Powdercoating in Mesa powder coated the bumper white,and the attaching brackets black. Here is a shot of the brackets after I installed them:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29821&stc=1&d=1253986718

And finally... here are a couple of pictures of the new powder coated (formerly chrome) bumper installed:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29822&stc=1&d=1253986718

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29823&stc=1&d=1253986718

Cave Gimp
09-26-2009, 06:49 PM
Joe that is awesome. That rig is really turning out great. God work.

Joe West
09-27-2009, 09:00 AM
Thanks. I look at Mike's restoration and think mine looks like crap... but someday I'll get there :)




Joe that is awesome. That rig is really turning out great. God work.

Desertdawg
09-27-2009, 09:52 AM
Thanks. I look at Mike's restoration and think mine looks like crap... but someday I'll get there :)

Looking great Joe! At least you can drive your's. I can't wait to get mine on the road. If I ever sell my TJ I want to buy something like yours to do what you are doing.

Are you planning on keeping it all stock?

Joe West
11-26-2009, 11:27 AM
Hi Folks,

Well... here's the latest restoration project for the Scrambler. Thanks to Nate (redneck20), I now have an 8274 winch installed on the Scrambler.

The original owner of the Scrambler had a winch installed by the dealer, but took it off when she retired the Jeep. I managed to find an original CJ Warn mount on eBay ($97) which I installed last week before I even had a winch to put on it. My logic was... pick up the pieces I need when I can and eventually I'll have everything I need.

As luck would have it, redneck20 had an 8274 winch which he found out last week would not work for him (he needed at least a 12,000 pound winch). I met with him a couple of days ago to pick up the winch yesterday and today I wired everything up. The only difficulty I ran into was figuring out how to wire a 5 wire controller to a 3 wire solenoid box. It turns out all I needed to do was leave two wires unconnected.

After installing the winch and wiring it up, I tested it and it works perfectly. I'm extremely happy to have the factory style winch on the Scrambler... and tomorrow I'm going to use it to uproot some trees :)

I ordered a drum and clutch/brake rebuild kit as well as the three rubber boots that go over the solenoid wires from 4 Wheeler's Supply. Once they come in, I'll disassemble the winch and rebuild it. I ended up purchasing a solenoid box cover (not the correct one I need since it doesn't have the metal flip-up cover on it... if anyone has the correct one laying around, I'll take it or trade you straight across for my brand new cover). I also purchased the power cables which are actually very nice quality.

Anyway... enough of the talk... here's a few shots of the winch installed:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31170&stc=1&d=1259259911

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http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31177&stc=1&d=1259259911

A big thanks to James at 4 Wheeler's Supply for all the help with the winch parts... he clearly knows his stuff.

Joe

vin man
11-26-2009, 11:38 AM
Looks great Joe. Nice find!

redneck20
11-26-2009, 11:49 AM
looks a lot better with a new cover...:)

Joe West
11-26-2009, 12:05 PM
Ya... funny how a piece of plastic makes such a big difference.

Did you get your alternator/battery problem sorted out Nate?


looks a lot better with a new cover...:)

redneck20
11-26-2009, 12:14 PM
yep the alt. was just dead...running i had 11.4 volts and dropping ...( finally found my frikin voltmeter...):aagh:

put a new one on this morning and got 14.23 when running

only 190 dollar fix....:aagh::aagh::aagh::aagh::aagh::aagh:

Joe West
11-26-2009, 12:27 PM
that sucks. I was hoping you'd do something fun with the winch money.

yep the alt. was just dead...running i had 11.4 volts and dropping ...( finally found my frikin voltmeter...):aagh:

put a new one on this morning and got 14.23 when running

only 190 dollar fix....:aagh::aagh::aagh::aagh::aagh::aagh:

vin man
11-26-2009, 12:31 PM
yep the alt. was just dead...running i had 11.4 volts and dropping ...( finally found my frikin voltmeter...):aagh:

put a new one on this morning and got 14.23 when running

only 190 dollar fix....:aagh::aagh::aagh::aagh::aagh::aagh:

Where did you get the alternator from? I've always gotten a decent price and fantastic quality from Copperstate Alternator Exchange. They do starters as well.

redneck20
11-26-2009, 12:36 PM
Where did you get the alternator from? I've always gotten a decent price and fantastic quality from Copperstate Alternator Exchange. They do starters as well.


autozone......not much choice on thx givin morning...

and its a deisel so it cost more than normal....anything with diesel in front of it is more expensive :aagh: kinda like putting aviation in front of something you cann easilly double the price ..lol




joe ...actully it was gonna go towards paying off my credit cards but **** happens..

85LAREDOCJ7
11-26-2009, 06:42 PM
Looks great Joe. Im waiting on 2 more seals to get my 8274 back together, Just got the lower case, drum support, and part of tyhe brake assembly back from powder. I talked to Doc about mounting mine between the frame rails for cooling reasons.

don87401
11-26-2009, 07:37 PM
I was debating on getting that winch, when I made up my mind and went to say I wanted it Joe had just posted he wanted it, oh well, it does look good on that Scrambler.

Joe West
11-26-2009, 07:50 PM
There were two on craigslist last week... you may want to check there.


I was debating on getting that winch, when I made up my mind and went to say I wanted it Joe had just posted he wanted it, oh well, it does look good on that Scrambler.

85LAREDOCJ7
11-26-2009, 08:56 PM
Joe,

Make sure that isn't the correct solenoid cover. My 8274 was built in late 82'. I called and talked to Ron at Warn and he said they changed from the metal flip up cover to the plastic one in 81'. They can tell when it was made by the serial and man. code on the upper case. My cover is identical to yours.

Joe West
11-26-2009, 10:19 PM
Thanks! I'll call warn in the morning. Do you have a direct line for Ron? Ci called their generic line and the person I spoke to didn't know anything.



Joe,

Make sure that isn't the correct solenoid cover. My 8274 was built in late 82'. I called and talked to Ron at Warn and he said they changed from the metal flip up cover to the plastic one in 81'. They can tell when it was made by the serial and man. code on the upper case. My cover is identical to yours.

85LAREDOCJ7
11-26-2009, 10:38 PM
When you call, select the sales option and ask for HEIDI. She can answer alot of your questions and then she will put you through to Ron. I'm assuming he is a big deal over there. Really nice guy. I told him what I was doing and he was more than happy to help.:2thumbsup:

Joe West
11-27-2009, 06:45 PM
Hi Gang,

Today I took the top housing off the winch to check the gears and change the oil. Here are a couple of shots of the inside. The gears were absolutely perfect and there is no indication of wear, rust, or any water contamination. I refilled it with synthetic oil, used silicon gasket maker to seal up the surfaces before bolting it back together. The only difficult part was getting the old silicon sealer off the mating halves... what a pain in the butt.

It's all back together now and runs as smooth as silk.

Joe

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31194&stc=1&d=1259372612

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31193&stc=1&d=1259372612

85LAREDOCJ7
11-27-2009, 07:08 PM
Looks good Joe. How did you get the old oil out? What brand of synthetic did you use?

Joe West
11-27-2009, 08:52 PM
I used a syringe to extract the old oil and then refilled it with mobile 1 synthetic. I'm sure it is overkill but I like synthetic.


Looks good Joe. How did you get the old oil out? What brand of synthetic did you use?

85LAREDOCJ7
11-27-2009, 09:22 PM
Thats what im putting in mine. A non-detergent synthetic.

Desertdawg
11-29-2009, 03:21 PM
Real Nice Joe!

Joe West
11-29-2009, 06:01 PM
I just noticed your question Mike. Yes... I'm keeping it all stock (or at least, stock components).




Looking great Joe! At least you can drive your's. I can't wait to get mine on the road. If I ever sell my TJ I want to buy something like yours to do what you are doing.

Are you planning on keeping it all stock?

Joe West
11-30-2009, 01:26 PM
Do you happen to have an extension for Heidi or Ron? I'm sitting on hold right now waiting for someone to answer. Warn must be busy today :)


When you call, select the sales option and ask for HEIDI. She can answer alot of your questions and then she will put you through to Ron. I'm assuming he is a big deal over there. Really nice guy. I told him what I was doing and he was more than happy to help.:2thumbsup:

EDIT: Heidi's extension is 3075

Joe West
11-30-2009, 01:52 PM
Just spoke with Ron Hoffman, the technical guru at Warn for their winch products. He has actually worked for Warn since 1969! What a great guy to talk to. I gave him my serial number and date code, and described a few of the characteristics of my winch (plate on the motor and solenoid pack) and he gave me a production date of March of 1985. Not perfect for my 1982 Scrambler, but close enough for now. If I cared enough, I could smooth out and re-stamp the serial number to make it line up with the correct year, but right now; I don't care enough to do that.

Also... I spoke with Heidi (who is at Extension 3075) and she is sending me out a complete decal kit for free. It's even the correct kit for an 8274 (as opposed to an 8274-50).

By the way... before I forget; Ron Hoffman's email address is:

h o f f m a n r AT w a r n.c o m

As always... I'm impressed with Warn's customer service. Warn replaced some defective hubs on my TJ no questions asked... and even sent me a brand new hub set when I said I wanted to upgrade to 5 on 5.5 hubs. I can't recommend Warn enough.

Joe

85LAREDOCJ7
12-01-2009, 09:57 PM
So, you do have the correct solenoid cover with the plastic cap and not the metal. Mine was produces in 82'. An 85' is perfect for your Scrambler, even if its a few years newer. My CJ is an 85' and I have an 82' winch.. I was looking around and if you bought an 8274 from Jeep, it had an AMC sticker on the top case.

Joe West
12-02-2009, 04:52 AM
Yes... it is the correct cover for 82. It's too bad we weren't doing our rebuilds at the same time... we could have traded top covers so that the dates would have been perfect for both of us :)

As far as the sticker from AMC goes, I'm reproducing it. I have one coming to use as an example (I have to ship it back to the owner after I duplicate it). I'll have 30 or so made up and then keep them around in case other CJ/YJ owners want to have the Jeep Special Equipment sticker on their winches.

Joe


So, you do have the correct solenoid cover with the plastic cap and not the metal. Mine was produces in 82'. An 85' is perfect for your Scrambler, even if its a few years newer. My CJ is an 85' and I have an 82' winch.. I was looking around and if you bought an 8274 from Jeep, it had an AMC sticker on the top case.

85LAREDOCJ7
12-02-2009, 01:27 PM
Wow..thats cool. Right now, the only sticker on mine is the big "W" on the solenoid cover. Im gonna call Heidi right now about the 8274 sticker kit.

supercon
12-04-2009, 04:29 PM
Wow, ive really enjoyed reading this build, you did a nice job, and with school is tough.

its inspiring because i currently work and go to school full time. I am also rebuilding a jeep, but mine is a little newer....03.. but just as trashed. again nice build and I look forward to any updates!

JEEPNME
01-14-2010, 11:22 AM
I love seeing someone taking pride in working on something,enjoying the progress and sharing it with everyone. I am in the process of restoring a 1963 440 american convertible AMC Rambler. Also trying to do all the upgrades to my 95 YJ. Keep up the good work!!:punk:

Joe West
01-14-2010, 11:31 AM
Nice!

I had the station wagon version of that exact same car! I loved it. My first car ever was a 1960 Rambler station wagon cross country and then I purchased a Rambler American station wagon but never restored it other than seat covers.

Thanks for uploading the pics... I love seeing projects at the start.

Joe


I love seeing someone taking pride in working on something,enjoying the progress and sharing it with everyone. I am in the process of restoring a 1963 440 american convertible AMC Rambler. Also trying to do all the upgrades to my 95 YJ. Keep up the good work!!:punk:

CaptainMorgan
01-14-2010, 12:14 PM
I am in the process of restoring a 1963 440 american convertible AMC Rambler.

Not to highjack but;

Is the oil filter seriously mounted where it it sitting in those pictures? I love quirky old rides like that one. Easy to get to but I imagine the engine gets pretty messy when it comes time to change it.:aagh: Gotta love AMC!

Joe West
01-14-2010, 06:22 PM
Hi Gang,

With the help of mikegb on the forum (he's a parts guy with brown and brown chevrolet), I upgraded part of my ignition system today. Mike put a package of upgraded components together including a new larger distributor cap to space the contact terminals further apart and a distributor cap adaptor to fit the new larger distributor cap to my stock distributor. I also received a new taller rotor to make up for the increased distributor cap + adapter size. The purpose of the above changes is so I could run a hotter coil (which also came in the kit Mike put together), new 8mm plug wires and new plugs.

The change is amazing. Running a higher voltage coil and the above new ignition components resulted in an instantaneous start (rather than the engine having to crank a couple of times), smoother idle, and noticeably smoother acceleration.

I'm not sure what the effect will be on fuel economy, but I'm getting about 16 mpg currently so I'll see what (if any) changes occur to my mpg based on the above changes.

Here's a few pictures of today's changes:

Old Stuff:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31997&stc=1&d=1263518308

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31998&stc=1&d=1263518308

New Stuff:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31999&stc=1&d=1263518308

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32000&stc=1&d=1263518308


And here's a very nice thing to see. The old plugs as I pulled them out.
Not bad looking for a completely stock BBD carburetor, plugs, and plug wires and an engine with 111,000 miles on it!

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32001&stc=1&d=1263518308

JEEPNME
01-14-2010, 06:49 PM
Not to highjack but;

Is the oil filter seriously mounted where it it sitting in those pictures? I love quirky old rides like that one. Easy to get to but I imagine the engine gets pretty messy when it comes time to change it.:aagh: Gotta love AMC!

No when you just let it set for a little wile all the oil runs out and no mess at all,works real well.:pleased:

Joe West
01-18-2010, 11:58 AM
Hi Gang,

The timing chain cover on my Scrambler has been leaking ever since I owned the scrambler. There were two leaks; the crank to cover seal and the cover was cracked around the alternator mount.

Yesterday I headed over to mikegb's house (boy am I glad I worked at his place yesterday given the MESS I made of HIS driveway :D) to work on my Scrambler while he was working on his CJ7.

For the most part, replacing the timing cover was straightforward. There were a couple of problematic areas for me. The first one was that the harmonic balancer puller I rented from autozone didn't have the correct jack screws in it so I have to find some that would work. The second problem area came when I took off the front timing chain cover... HOLY SMOKE... what a mess in there. The entire inside of the cover was covered with baked on crapola and it was MUCH worse than the crap inside the oil pan when I dropped it. I'm sure glad I didn't have to clean and reuse the old cover. Once I removed the cover, I had to remove the timing gears and timing chain. The factory manual said that the three pull off as a unit.


Right.

Pull off.

They made it look so simple.

My gears were not quite so easy to remove. The crankshaft gear (which was nylon by the way) came off relatively easy... and there was so much slop in the timing chain that I was able to remove the camshaft gear together without removing the crank gear. Once the camshaft gear and chain were removed I ended up having to pry the crank gear off with two small prybars on either side of it.

Here's what the gears and timing chain looked like after I removed them:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32087&stc=1&d=1263840377

Here's what the front timing chain area looked like after I cleaned it up:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32089&stc=1&d=1263840378

The next somewhat difficult area was getting the timing gears lined up correctly. I figured (absolutely incorrectly) that if I didn't touch the cam or crank positions, everything would simply slide right in.

WRONG

Apparently you have to account for the differences between the old worn timing chain and the new one (duh). It took me 90 minutes to figure out that I needed to rotate the camshaft a bit to line things up. The first time I did it, I was off one tooth when I rotated the crank and cam timing marks to the correct position (cam gear timing mark at 1:00 position) to count the number of chain rivets between the two marks. I then had to remove the gears again, rotate the camshaft one tooth CCW and then reinstall. This time I was right on the money.

Here's a picture of the installed gears and timing chain:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32088&stc=1&d=1263840378

Once the gears and timing chain were installed, the rest of the work was fairly easy. I had a bit of difficulty lining up the timing chain cover since I had a one piece oil pan gasket. After an hour or so of screwing with things I finally got all the screws to line up with the gasket and the rest of the install was smooth.

All in all... start to finish... it took me 6 or so hours of work to complete the job and do an oil change. I'm sure the shop manual allows 30 minutes to do this job :)

I'll clean everything off today with a power sprayer and verify the leak is gone. I'll be happy to have a completely drip free Jeep :)

A big thanks to Mikegb for letting me make a mess of his driveway and for allowing me to hear him cuss while he worked on his Jeep :D


Thanks Mike!

Joe

SavageSun4x4
01-18-2010, 12:17 PM
Joe, save yourself some pain and anguish and just buy my engine with all the goodies on it and go modern with AC and the new stuff +++ you get a SC thrown in.

I need to move this engine grouping soon...:)

Joe West
03-14-2010, 01:13 PM
Hi Gang,

Yesterday I installed a NOS Factory half soft-top. Here are a few pictures:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32936&stc=1&d=1268593882

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32937&stc=1&d=1268593882

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http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32939&stc=1&d=1268593882

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32940&stc=1&d=1268593882

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32941&stc=1&d=1268593882

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32942&stc=1&d=1268593882

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32943&stc=1&d=1268593882

85LAREDOCJ7
03-14-2010, 01:21 PM
Looks good Joe, I've never seen a scrambler with a half soft-top like that before.

ob1jeeper
03-14-2010, 01:22 PM
Looks sharp...;) Good thing you now have room in the garage for it...;)

Joe West
03-14-2010, 01:24 PM
And a few shots of the interior:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32944&stc=1&d=1268594545

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32945&stc=1&d=1268594545

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32946&stc=1&d=1268594545

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http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32949&stc=1&d=1268594545

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32950&stc=1&d=1268594545

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32951&stc=1&d=1268594545

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32952&stc=1&d=1268594545

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32953&stc=1&d=1268594545

Joe West
03-14-2010, 01:25 PM
Now all I need to do is to find the factory parts to mount the shoulder harnesses :)

ob1jeeper
03-14-2010, 02:20 PM
Now all I need to do is to find the factory parts to mount the shoulder harnesses :)You are aware that just like with the hardtops, there were different soft tops for vehicles with the 2-point lap belts, and one for vehicles with the 3-point belts...

What you have is the soft top for the lap belt vehicles... PN: J8131325

The PN for the white soft-top for use with the 3-point belt system is J8131472...;)

Joe West
03-14-2010, 05:08 PM
Hi Steve,

I knew they made different tops for each design, the Whitco installation booklet that came with my top shows a kit that you can install to convert a 2 point lap belt to a 3-point harness style. The problem is, I can't find the pieces I need to do the conversion. Once I have the pieces, I can have a shop add the required zippers to the top and I'll be good to go. Until I find the conversion pieces, I'll install lap belts as I can't bring myself to put a hole in this top (yet anyway :D ).

Thanks Steve!


You are aware that just like with the hardtops, there were different soft tops for vehicles with the 2-point lap belts, and one for vehicles with the 3-point belts...

What you have is the soft top for the lap belt vehicles... PN: J8131325

The PN for the white soft-top for use with the 3-point belt system is J8131472...;)

ob1jeeper
03-14-2010, 07:32 PM
PM'd ya...;)

Joe West
04-02-2010, 08:41 AM
Hi Gang,

Well... the latest restoration project on the Scrambler has been completed; thanks to our latest small business sponsor; Pro Seatz LLC.

I am incredibly happy with the work they performed. Gary took my factory seats from my Scrambler, found blue denim material to match the factory covering, and duplicated the pattern of the factory seats. In addition, he repaired the padding that was broken down and even welded the seat frame.

I was amazed at how comfortable the factory seats are when they are rebuilt... the new padding made all the difference in the world.

I absolutely could not be happier with their work... here are a few shots of the new seats:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33222&stc=1&d=1270218943

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33223stc=1&d=1270218943

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33224&stc=1&d=1270218943

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http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33227&stc=1&d=1270218943

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33228&stc=1&d=1270218943

Junkman
04-03-2010, 10:17 AM
Very nice I always liked the scramblers great work!

defibvt
04-03-2010, 12:40 PM
Looks very nice.

Joe West
04-07-2010, 09:22 PM
Hi Gang,

I uploaded some more pictures of the Scrambler to my me.com webpage:

http://gallery.me.com/cj8

Joe

NVRSTUKTJ
04-08-2010, 08:57 AM
Hey Joe....what is your plan for paint???.....or are you going to have the first jeep scrambler rat rod?????

Joe West
04-08-2010, 03:32 PM
LOL... no... someday I'll get it painted. I'm thinking I'll rebuild the engine first, then get it painted back to the original color.


Hey Joe....what is your plan for paint???.....or are you going to have the first jeep scrambler rat rod?????

OlneyJeeps
04-08-2010, 03:37 PM
which was ?
dayglo pink?

85LAREDOCJ7
04-08-2010, 03:55 PM
How about that Howell system for $600 on CL? That would do nicely....

Joe West
06-14-2010, 09:50 AM
Hi Gang,

Well... now that my Ph.D. board exams are done, I actually have some time to work on the Scrambler. Yesterday, with the help of mikegb, I replaced the dash in the Scrambler.

First... some thanks are due:

1. A big thanks to mikegb for spending 7 hours helping me yesterday.
2. Thanks to ademster for letting me have his old dash to refinish.
3. Thanks to Todd at desert fab for welding all the additional holes that ademster put in his dash before he gave it to me.

The process went something like this. 5 months or so ago, Adam gave me the old dash out of his Jeep since he was rebuilding a new one. I dropped the old dash off at Desert Fab so they could weld all the additional holes for switches that Adam added (or someone who owned the Jeep before Adam added). After getting the dash back from Adam, I took it to a buddy's body shop (Excel paint and body in Mesa) to have it painted. I've had it back from the paint shop for about a month, but haven't been able to install it due to my board exams.

The most difficult part of the whole job was cleaning up the wiring harness after the dash was removed. Jeep did a HORRIBLE job of routing wires... let's just say the wiring harness under the dash is in very nice condition now.


Well... enough of the stories... here are the pictures:

Here's what the dash looked like just before we started:


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34187&stc=1&d=1276530132


The mess that was waiting for me after we removed the old dash:


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34188&stc=1&d=1276530132


The new dash waiting to go in:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34189&stc=1&d=1276530132

The new dash installed:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=341890stc=1&d=1276530132

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34191&stc=1&d=1276530132

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http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34193&stc=1&d=1276530132

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34194&stc=1&d=1276530132

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34195&stc=1&d=1276530132

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34196&stc=1&d=1276530132

vin man
06-14-2010, 10:05 AM
Looks awesome Joe and Mike! Don't you wish you could have installed that A/C without the dash in place?

Joe West
06-14-2010, 03:18 PM
The A/C is easier with the dash in place... I'm not even sure how I'd do it with the dash out since it screws to the bottom of the dash. Since the A/C hoses exit near the passenger floor, there is really nothing in the way when you install it.


Looks awesome Joe and Mike! Don't you wish you could have installed that A/C without the dash in place?