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82532 From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:13pm
Subject: test part deux...fromm hotmail
lets see if anything ever shows up
Brian Harmon
88 XJ Laredo
http://xjnation.homestead.com/xjnation.html
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82533 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:57pm
Subject: Re: Emissions woes
Been there 5 times in March
Main problem was getting an EGR valve to work properly.
Needed three tries on them. That has been my main problem last time as
well.
Yours is fuel injection and has a better EGR setup then my 87 YJ.
Also know a great place to get it checked out.
Let me know if you want more information.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dionbozman" <amstaff@e...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:18 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Emissions woes
> As some of you may know (and even fewer of you may care), my rig has
> been out of comission since my last rollover, which, oddly, coincided
> with my tags running out and miserably failing emissions in all three
> categories (grin).
>
> In an attempt to make my junk more streetworthy, I'm going down in
> tire size to 37s. However, still need to get through emissions. Anyone
> have insight on what you did to get your rig through? My first thought
> is a bad O2 sensor, perhaps MAP sensor as well. I do have a hollowed
> cat, but it was pretty bad the first time through emissions and the
> rig passed with flying colors that time.
>
> Any input is appreciated. Post here or hit me direct at
> dbozman@m...
> Dion
> 94 YJ, big, ugly.
>
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82534 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:14pm
Subject: sway bar
Should my sway bar links look like this? They looked a bit off to me. Could this be the culprit of my clunking?
Bare with me...I haven't mastered the art of holding my new digital camera straight/steady.
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82535 From: Craig Micek <micekc@e...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:23pm
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: My new Quad
Be Very careful where you go if you go up around 7st and Deer Valley. Most
of it is STL and it is off limits.
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Wooten" <jawooten@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 1:48 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] (OT) Re: My new Quad
> T.J.
> What kind did you get. I am thinkin about going out sunday but
> FJ is pretty far out for me (I am on the west side \/\/). Let me
> know if you wanna maybe go out at the table mesa area or even up
> around 7st Deer valley...
>
> Josh Wooten
> 99 TJ
> 03 Honda 400EX
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AZICE626@a... wrote:
> > taking my new quad out to the coke ovens this weekend....anyone
> want to
> > go?......sorry...its Friday, I'm off, and I'm bored........ :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > T.J. Gill
> > 75 CJ5 w/Stuff
>
>
>
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82536 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:29pm
Subject: RE: My new Quad
Chris,
ROTFLMAO
BLING BLING?
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:29 PM
To: OneBdJeep
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; AZICE626@aol.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My new Quad
No, but I think there was some coke involved in building that thing.
:-)
Chris
On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 01:38 PM, OneBdJeep wrote:
holy shtuff... what the hell is that???!!! coke ovens my ***!!<>smaller><>fontfamily>
----- Original Message -----
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To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com<>color>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] My new Quad
taking my new quad out to the coke ovens this weekend....anyone want to go?......sorry...its Friday, I'm off, and I'm bored........ :-)
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82537 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: Which mods first? Winch
OK
With the heavy bumper issues, what size winch do we need in AZ? on a
Wrangler?
I see all the 8-9000 pounds sizes but is that needed for rock crawing
(excluding trying to climb waterfalls) I know mud needs alot of power but
for AZ do we need to carry that much weight and money around?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Which mods first?
> You've got to say what your putting it on! A TJ you can mount it to
> the bumper, if you change bumpers you move it to the new one, I'm
> sure CJs and YJs are similar (on the tire stop or something). I have
> no idea where the XJ and ZJ guys mount it. I would say for those
> maybe a magnetic mount for the top... if you get a new bumper to
> mount it to them it is easily moveable. -Rob
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Rogers" <skijunkie@c...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:54 AM
> > > To: 'James Rogers'; 'azvjc'
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Which mods first?
> > >
> > >
> > > The only thing I would have done differently would have been to
> buy a
> > > stock Jeep rather then one that was mildly built (31"tires and
> 3.5"
> > > lift). Each step I took was a learning process. I did a lot of
> research
> > > on all the mods I have done and did them as economically as
> possible.
> > >
> > > As for a prefered order of building your Jeep.
> > >
> > > 1 Safety.
> > > water
> > > First aid
> > > fire extinguisher
> > > CB/FRS radio
> >
> > A lot of people put CB as one of the first things... is there a
> good way to
> > install a CB that won't interfere with future mods? (ie.
> different bumper,
> > heavy duty tire carrier)
>
>
>
>
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>
82538 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:33pm
Subject: RE: I have the best wife....
Chris K,
Mine does the same thing. She only questions my sanity in general ;)
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:28 PM
To: Chris
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I have the best wife....
Ranks right up there with mine. She lets me buy whatever I want for my
Jeep without questioning it.
Cool b-day gift.
Chris (the other one with a 97 TJ)
On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 10:48 AM, Chris wrote:
> For my birthday I received an air compressor with a complete set of
> air tools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Yes this is on topic as they will help me do work on my Jeep, getting
> ready to install the 8.8 this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Chris
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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82539 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:42pm
Subject: Re: Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use (STL) Permits...
Driven Auto Part still has the permits
But they are closed now (6pm) until Monday.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
To: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>; "Arizona Virtual Jeep club
<azvjc@azvjc. org>" <azvjc@a...>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
(STL) Permits...
> I can't imagine that this would be the issue... it was a public service
kind
> of thing....
> It certainly brought in foot traffic.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:13 PM
> To: Joe West; Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> (STL) Permits...
>
>
> maybe too much of a hassle? (just a guess)
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:06 PM
> To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> Subject: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> (STL) Permits...
>
>
> Anyone know why?
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
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82540 From: Mark Maloy <mdmaloy@m...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:08pm
Subject: Blocked-off CCV effect on 02 sensor
I recently put a breather into my valve cover and plugged off the inlet to the air box thinking that I didn't want oil mist flowing through my throttle body and other points downstream. About a month later the check engine light is on, but I don't know why yet. What is the method to find out the scan codes?
Could this little mod mess up some sensor, or is it more likely to be related to this:
My speedo / odo are not working. I have seen a write-up somewhere on how to take apart the dash and slightly bend the connections to the instrument cluster to take care of this problem. I would love to see that again but can't find it -- anybody know?
Or is there some distance sensor that would shut these down after a recent tire swap?
Vehicle is a '00 TJ with the 2.5L with about 70k miles (I know... but a swap is not in the budget right now).
82541 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:18pm
Subject: [TR] Woodpecker (Upper) - Sunday, April 13, 2003
Hello All,
Scott Grigsby is leading a Woodpecker (Upper) trail run on Sunday, April 13, 2003.
When: SUN MORNING, 8:00am
Where: Meet at Florance JCT Texaco
Rating: 4.0+
Length: however long it takes
CB Channel: 4
I am putting new 4.88s in my jeep and hope to have them done by sat night. If for somereason I dont have them done I will have to cancell but I hope to have them done. Lets just have a nice day of wheelilng, nothing to hard, stockers are ok, lets just get together before it gets too hot,
Upper Woodpecker is a wash that runs to the Woodpecker Mine. Years ago this wash was the actual road from the mine. There have been many hours of fun playing and traversing on this trail. It offers rock ledges, cracks, "tippy spots" and is the home of the infamous "Fire Hole". It was one of the first "extreme" trails offered in Arizona.
Over the years this trail has seen the result of "rock stacking" and "ramp building" that has down rated the trail from a 4.5 to a 4.0 but it still has a number of "play areas" and lockers are still required for the harder portion of the trail.
Upon exiting the wash you will climb to the top of the hill where the mine is located. There is an amethyst pit mine near the entrance to the Woodpecker Mine where you will most likely find several "rock hounds" or mountain bikers.
Don't forget your lunch and water. This is one of the longer trails and is normally an all day trip.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
82542 From: Brian Peletz <big86er@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:19pm
Subject: tube sidesteps
hey folks,
I'm debating on what to do about new side steps. I
like the look of the factory tube ones, but I want
something more durable. I have looked around and only
seen running boards. I was thinking about taking some
heavy duty tubing and just having it welded to the
frame, 1/4" thick should be enough to protect those
rocker pannels right? Any thoughts or ideas??
Brian
97 TJ
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82543 From: Reid Scholes <azturf@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:23pm
Subject: Re: Blocked-off CCV effect on 02 sensor
Mark,
"Vehicle is a '00 TJ with the 2.5L with about 70k miles (I know... but a swap is not in the budget right now)."
Don't be ashamed of your 2.5L. Do you need to go 90 mph on the way to the trail? Laugh at everyone at the gas pump. Rip that puppy out of there when she's on her last leg (like mine - soon). Sorry, I know nothing about your engine's codes.
Chipotle,
Reid
'89 YJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Maloy
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:08 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Blocked-off CCV effect on 02 sensor
I recently put a breather into my valve cover and plugged off the inlet to the air box thinking that I didn't want oil mist flowing through my throttle body and other points downstream. About a month later the check engine light is on, but I don't know why yet. What is the method to find out the scan codes?
Could this little mod mess up some sensor, or is it more likely to be related to this:
My speedo / odo are not working. I have seen a write-up somewhere on how to take apart the dash and slightly bend the connections to the instrument cluster to take care of this problem. I would love to see that again but can't find it -- anybody know?
Or is there some distance sensor that would shut these down after a recent tire swap?
Vehicle is a '00 TJ with the 2.5L with about 70k miles (I know... but a swap is not in the budget right now).
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82544 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:28pm
Subject: RE: Re: Which mods first? Winch
IMO.....Yes. I've observed an out of state friend use a 6000 lb. Warn
winch. I was not at all impressed with the results. I'm VERY glad I
purchased a 9000 lb. Warn instead of that smaller one. ;)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@a...]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:28 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Rob Williams
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Which mods first? Winch
OK
With the heavy bumper issues, what size winch do we need in AZ? on a
Wrangler?
I see all the 8-9000 pounds sizes but is that needed for rock crawing
(excluding trying to climb waterfalls) I know mud needs alot of power
but
for AZ do we need to carry that much weight and money around?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Which mods first?
> You've got to say what your putting it on! A TJ you can mount it to
> the bumper, if you change bumpers you move it to the new one, I'm
> sure CJs and YJs are similar (on the tire stop or something). I have
> no idea where the XJ and ZJ guys mount it. I would say for those
> maybe a magnetic mount for the top... if you get a new bumper to
> mount it to them it is easily moveable. -Rob
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Rogers" <skijunkie@c...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:54 AM
> > > To: 'James Rogers'; 'azvjc'
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Which mods first?
> > >
> > >
> > > The only thing I would have done differently would have been to
> buy a
> > > stock Jeep rather then one that was mildly built (31"tires and
> 3.5"
> > > lift). Each step I took was a learning process. I did a lot of
> research
> > > on all the mods I have done and did them as economically as
> possible.
> > >
> > > As for a prefered order of building your Jeep.
> > >
> > > 1 Safety.
> > > water
> > > First aid
> > > fire extinguisher
> > > CB/FRS radio
> >
> > A lot of people put CB as one of the first things... is there a
> good way to
> > install a CB that won't interfere with future mods? (ie.
> different bumper,
> > heavy duty tire carrier)
>
>
>
>
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>
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82545 From: andrew broughton <andrewb855@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:56pm
Subject: state land permit
im going to be taking the family camping this weekend probably out by
lake pleasant. do i need a state permit or something else to go?if so
where do i get one.i live near paridise valley.don't want to get some
stupid fine for the sake of a $20 permit. what other permits should i
have for going wheel'n. any help would be great
thanks andrew
82546 From: TODD MCCULLEN <desertfab@m...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:02pm
Subject: I still have SLP
I still sell SLP here at the shop.
Todd McCullen
www.desertfab.com
82547 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:06pm
Subject: [TR] Martinez Canyon - Saturday, April 12, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Greg Kenny is leading a Martinez Canyon trail run on Saturday, April 12, 2003.
When: 8:30 meet roll 9:00 am
Where: meet at cottonwood canyon rd. between FJ and Florence
Rating: 4.0+
Length: whatever
CB Channel: 4
Will probably do Jackhandle as a warm up first. If you've never run Martinez bring a camera.
Martinez Canyon has to be one of the most beautiful canyons south of the Sedona AZ red bluffs. To reach the trailhead you travel over rolling hills of desert cactus, shrubs and trees. All of a sudden you enter a narrow passageway into a canyon of deep red bluffs and cottonwood trees.
Most of the year there is a spring that winds through the trees and low area. You will find the old homestead at the grouping of cottonwood trees along with some old mining generators and storerooms. Just past the homestead you will drop into the wash and follow it to the old mill.
The road winds back and forth across the wash as well as follows the wash for a time but the trail stays in the wash. You can spend hours "playing" on the rocks and waterfalls.
A mile or so into the wash you will approach a large landslide blocking the wash so the trail starts up the switchback trail "to the top of the world". The view from the top of the mountain is breathtaking.
As you start back down the switchback trail you will find it has been washed out, big time! The washout cuts through several of the "switchbacks" in a cut approximately 8 feet deep and 8 foot wide, so down you go. After a drop into the washout you will crank a hard left turn and literally freeslide on the loose gravel/dirt about 200 yards.
The first comment made from one of the original founders is the best description to the end of a great day of wheeling. "This is better than an 'E' Ticket ride at Disneyland! It's wheel'n the luge!"
This trail is definitely for the "extreme" vehicle as well as an experienced driver. Lockers are required and 33" tires and maximum clearance are a must.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
NOTE: 2/17/02 - I (Stu Olson) ran the trail yesterday and I believe it is safe to say that there is not much of a chance to "run the luge" anymore. I could be mistaken, but few (any?) would survive the drop into the luge. It is extrememly erroded now and the old bypass is now the main path down, IMO.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
82548 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:06pm
Subject: RE: state land permit
Andrew....you only need a STL(State Trust Land) permit if you are on
STL.
That being said, it is quite difficult to tell when you are on STL while
wheelin' since the trail can cross on to and off of STL and you would
never know. There are patches of STL all over the state....and probably
less than 1% of it MIGHT have a sign on some part of the trail (normally
the beginning).
As such, I encourage you, as I do all OHV users, to obtain a STL permit
and keep it in their Jeep's glovebox. In the years I have carried one,
I've never had to show it (but not everyone can make that claim). But I
view it as insurance....and we all know we only need insurance when we
don't have it. ;)
You probably won't find a STL permit at this time of day, as there are
only a few places that have them and they are most likely closed.
If you are in Lake Pleasant county park, you won't need a STL permit.
There are no other OHV permits for the state, other than one for some
trail out east, and that one is free....BullDog Canyon (or something
like that?) Never been there, don't exactly recall the name.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: andrew broughton [mailto:andrewb855@a...]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:57 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] state land permit
im going to be taking the family camping this weekend probably out by
lake pleasant. do i need a state permit or something else to go?if so
where do i get one.i live near paridise valley.don't want to get some
stupid fine for the sake of a $20 permit. what other permits should i
have for going wheel'n. any help would be great
thanks andrew
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82549 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:24pm
Subject: Re: I have the best wife....
Mine has no question about the state of my sanity.
:-)
Chris K
On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 05:33 PM, Scott Kruize wrote:
> Chris K,
>
> Mine does the same thing. She only questions my sanity in general ;)
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:28 PM
> To: Chris
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I have the best wife....
>
>
> Ranks right up there with mine. She lets me buy whatever I want for my
> Jeep without questioning it.
>
> Cool b-day gift.
>
> Chris (the other one with a 97 TJ)
>
> On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 10:48 AM, Chris wrote:
>
>> For my birthday I received an air compressor with a complete set of
>> air tools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Yes this is on topic as they will help me do work on my Jeep, getting
>> ready to install the 8.8 this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Chris
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>>
>
>
>
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82550 From: trmn8rjn98 <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:35pm
Subject: Re: I still have SLP
SLP + State trust land permit?
If so that is great I will swing by tomorrow if you are open
john
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "TODD MCCULLEN" <desertfab@m...> wrote:
> I still sell SLP here at the shop.
>
> Todd McCullen
> www.desertfab.com
82551 From: Robert <rlpii@q...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:47pm
Subject: Re: I have the best wife....
Chris,
That is great. For our last aniversary, my wife bought me a mig
welder. Nothing says love like power tools! :o)
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> For my birthday I received an air compressor with a complete set of
> air tools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Yes this is on topic as they will help me do work on my Jeep,
> getting ready to install the 8.8 this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Chris
>
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82552 From: Robert <rlpii@q...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:57pm
Subject: Re: Buying a used vehicle in AZ...Help
Or you could make the money order out to Chrysler Credit Corp. (if
they don't have a local office). Unless you know they guy, I wouldn't
give him cash without the title (with a lien on it) and the vehicle.
Just my .02 worth.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, cowboy7575@a... wrote:
> You actually trust him to mail a check to Chrysler after you pay him
cash
> ?????
>
> I would find out if Chrysler has an office in PHX and do it there in
person.
>
> Mike
82553 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:48pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Sunflower Mine Loop - Saturday, April 5, 2003
Hello All,
Brad Rogers lead a trail run Saturday, April 5, 2003 across Sunflower Mine Loop
Long trip but well worth the time. Once again the winch factor came into effect. Unfortunetly it wasn't mine. I ended up getting stuck in the mud hole but wasn't quick enough when getting to my winch control. Dan Sexson partnered up to give me hand and used his 8000lb Ramsey to get me out. It made for a good laugh after a rather long trip.
When we run it again, I think we will run it backwards instead of both front and backwards. Going down the trail is much more difficult than going up through the creek beds. Not sure why but for some reason the obstacles are a little more difficult to maneuver around when gravity is playing more of a role. Thank goodness for "Rock Gaurds."
Word to the wise: Make sure you don't follow any four wheeler trails, thinking that they go somewhere. Unfortunetly for us we followed one and left most of our paint in the wilderness among the branches along side of the path (sorry Dave). Nothing a little wax can't buff right out.
One heck of a time though. We had all TJ's on the trail with the exception of a CJ-7, which had more flex than most of our newer models. Long arm kits, locking diff's, winches and of course the fully loaded Rubicon's. They all performed perfect with the exception of my mud experience. I'll do better next time though. I kind of wanted to try out my winch but Dan beat me to it.
Well, good luck to all of you heading back to Sun Flower. The creek is still flowing but not for too much longer. To those of you who participated in the event; I had a good time and enjoyed all your company. Feel free to email me and give the envite to the next trip. Keep in touch.
Sincerely,
Brad Rogers 2000 TJ
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82554 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:40pm
Subject: Re: sway bar
hey wade! those look fine to me!
----- Original Message -----
From: Wade Ungaro
To: AZVJC
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:14 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] sway bar
Should my sway bar links look like this? They looked a bit off to me. Could this be the culprit of my clunking?
Bare with me...I haven't mastered the art of holding my new digital camera straight/steady.
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82555 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:50pm
Subject: RE: Re: Which mods first?
Also, good points. But I dont even think of tow
points/straps/come-along/hi-lift/shovel/axe and good rubber as a
modification. Thats just smart preparation that everyone should have who
wheels. You could add first aid kit, water, and fire ext. to the list too
but they also arnt modifications. :)
Frank
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>From: "Michael Hudson" <mhudson@d...>
>To: "Frank BadAZXJ" <BadAZXJ@m...>,<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Which mods first?
>Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:51:09 -0600
>
>1. tow points/straps/come-along/hi-lift/shovel/axe...
>2. good rubber.
>3. disco's.
>4. skid's and rockers.
>5. lift.
>6. larger tires & gears.
>7. locker.
>
>that's my .02,
>I'm at #5(small lift for me), slightly larger tires and gears wil be next
>year.
>not sure locker will ever happen, certian my wife would hate it in her
>daily driver.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frank BadAZXJ [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 1:49 AM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Which mods first?
>
>
>Yeah, Good points. But what triggered me from his question is if I
>had to do it all over again. I have lifted my Jeep about 4 different
>times, Had 4 sets of different size tires etc. If I were to do it
>again, I would have bought a locker and some skid plates so I could
>pretty much wheel anywhere clearance would allow..Then I would have
>just saved up my money until I had the cash to build it right the
>first time. I would have saved a TON of cash had I done that. :)
>Next to taking off my sway bars, nothing made as noticable difference
>as the lockers. IMO
>
>Frank
>BadAzXJ@m...
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>
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Alex B" <trailzj@y...> wrote:
> > For a TJ I would say:
> > 1 Rockergaurds
> > 2 Disconnects but I just unbolt mine before & reatach after a
> > trail(just the top half).
> > 3 budget lift or body lift to fit 31s(negitive effects are slim
> > to none).
> > 4 31s I have a zj on 31" MTRs and I have a blast. I have done
> > Upper Woodpecker, Martinez canyon, sunflower mine & more.
> > 5 Locker If you dont have a limited slip, put it in the rear,
> > but if you do I'd put it up front.
> > 6 This is pretty much where I am at right now. I am currently
> > modifying my floor for my own custom belly up crossmember and skid.
> > After this my next mod will probably be a snorkel(just the other
>day
> > my brother blew his motor wide open on the sunflower mine trail, I
> > was lucky the same didnt happen to me).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Rogers" <skijunkie@c...>
>wrote:
> > > If you had to do it over, in what order would you make your mods
> > (starting
> > > from completely stock) and why? In case the rich people decide
>to
> > answer,
> > > please assume that you are on a normal working man's budget.
>
>
>
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82556 From: Frank BadAZXJ <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 11:03pm
Subject: Re: I have the best wife....
The scary thing is that this isnt the first time Jeff's offered to do
a little wife swappin on this list..... LOL
Second thing is it must be the airborne ranger training or something,
cause a normal guy could fear his wife....shes tiny but I get the
feeling she has a good left hook! :)
Frank
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, airbornexj@a... wrote:
> Two questions.........where do you live LOL
> and can I introduce my wife to yours or how about a trade.....
> I've got some extra parts RLMAO
82532 From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:13pm
Subject: test part deux...fromm hotmail
lets see if anything ever shows up
Brian Harmon
88 XJ Laredo
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82533 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:57pm
Subject: Re: Emissions woes
Been there 5 times in March
Main problem was getting an EGR valve to work properly.
Needed three tries on them. That has been my main problem last time as
well.
Yours is fuel injection and has a better EGR setup then my 87 YJ.
Also know a great place to get it checked out.
Let me know if you want more information.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dionbozman" <amstaff@e...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:18 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Emissions woes
> As some of you may know (and even fewer of you may care), my rig has
> been out of comission since my last rollover, which, oddly, coincided
> with my tags running out and miserably failing emissions in all three
> categories (grin).
>
> In an attempt to make my junk more streetworthy, I'm going down in
> tire size to 37s. However, still need to get through emissions. Anyone
> have insight on what you did to get your rig through? My first thought
> is a bad O2 sensor, perhaps MAP sensor as well. I do have a hollowed
> cat, but it was pretty bad the first time through emissions and the
> rig passed with flying colors that time.
>
> Any input is appreciated. Post here or hit me direct at
> dbozman@m...
> Dion
> 94 YJ, big, ugly.
>
>
>
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82534 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:14pm
Subject: sway bar
Should my sway bar links look like this? They looked a bit off to me. Could this be the culprit of my clunking?
Bare with me...I haven't mastered the art of holding my new digital camera straight/steady.
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82535 From: Craig Micek <micekc@e...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:23pm
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: My new Quad
Be Very careful where you go if you go up around 7st and Deer Valley. Most
of it is STL and it is off limits.
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Wooten" <jawooten@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 1:48 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] (OT) Re: My new Quad
> T.J.
> What kind did you get. I am thinkin about going out sunday but
> FJ is pretty far out for me (I am on the west side \/\/). Let me
> know if you wanna maybe go out at the table mesa area or even up
> around 7st Deer valley...
>
> Josh Wooten
> 99 TJ
> 03 Honda 400EX
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AZICE626@a... wrote:
> > taking my new quad out to the coke ovens this weekend....anyone
> want to
> > go?......sorry...its Friday, I'm off, and I'm bored........ :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > T.J. Gill
> > 75 CJ5 w/Stuff
>
>
>
>
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82536 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:29pm
Subject: RE: My new Quad
Chris,
ROTFLMAO
BLING BLING?
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:29 PM
To: OneBdJeep
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; AZICE626@aol.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My new Quad
No, but I think there was some coke involved in building that thing.
:-)
Chris
On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 01:38 PM, OneBdJeep wrote:
holy shtuff... what the hell is that???!!! coke ovens my ***!!<>smaller><>fontfamily>
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Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] My new Quad
taking my new quad out to the coke ovens this weekend....anyone want to go?......sorry...its Friday, I'm off, and I'm bored........ :-)
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82537 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: Which mods first? Winch
OK
With the heavy bumper issues, what size winch do we need in AZ? on a
Wrangler?
I see all the 8-9000 pounds sizes but is that needed for rock crawing
(excluding trying to climb waterfalls) I know mud needs alot of power but
for AZ do we need to carry that much weight and money around?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Which mods first?
> You've got to say what your putting it on! A TJ you can mount it to
> the bumper, if you change bumpers you move it to the new one, I'm
> sure CJs and YJs are similar (on the tire stop or something). I have
> no idea where the XJ and ZJ guys mount it. I would say for those
> maybe a magnetic mount for the top... if you get a new bumper to
> mount it to them it is easily moveable. -Rob
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Rogers" <skijunkie@c...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:54 AM
> > > To: 'James Rogers'; 'azvjc'
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Which mods first?
> > >
> > >
> > > The only thing I would have done differently would have been to
> buy a
> > > stock Jeep rather then one that was mildly built (31"tires and
> 3.5"
> > > lift). Each step I took was a learning process. I did a lot of
> research
> > > on all the mods I have done and did them as economically as
> possible.
> > >
> > > As for a prefered order of building your Jeep.
> > >
> > > 1 Safety.
> > > water
> > > First aid
> > > fire extinguisher
> > > CB/FRS radio
> >
> > A lot of people put CB as one of the first things... is there a
> good way to
> > install a CB that won't interfere with future mods? (ie.
> different bumper,
> > heavy duty tire carrier)
>
>
>
>
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82538 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:33pm
Subject: RE: I have the best wife....
Chris K,
Mine does the same thing. She only questions my sanity in general ;)
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:28 PM
To: Chris
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I have the best wife....
Ranks right up there with mine. She lets me buy whatever I want for my
Jeep without questioning it.
Cool b-day gift.
Chris (the other one with a 97 TJ)
On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 10:48 AM, Chris wrote:
> For my birthday I received an air compressor with a complete set of
> air tools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Yes this is on topic as they will help me do work on my Jeep, getting
> ready to install the 8.8 this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Chris
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82539 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:42pm
Subject: Re: Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use (STL) Permits...
Driven Auto Part still has the permits
But they are closed now (6pm) until Monday.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
To: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>; "Arizona Virtual Jeep club
<azvjc@azvjc. org>" <azvjc@a...>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
(STL) Permits...
> I can't imagine that this would be the issue... it was a public service
kind
> of thing....
> It certainly brought in foot traffic.
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:13 PM
> To: Joe West; Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> (STL) Permits...
>
>
> maybe too much of a hassle? (just a guess)
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:06 PM
> To: Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@azvjc. org>
> Subject: [az_vjc] Four Wheeler Supply no longer sells State Land Use
> (STL) Permits...
>
>
> Anyone know why?
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
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82540 From: Mark Maloy <mdmaloy@m...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:08pm
Subject: Blocked-off CCV effect on 02 sensor
I recently put a breather into my valve cover and plugged off the inlet to the air box thinking that I didn't want oil mist flowing through my throttle body and other points downstream. About a month later the check engine light is on, but I don't know why yet. What is the method to find out the scan codes?
Could this little mod mess up some sensor, or is it more likely to be related to this:
My speedo / odo are not working. I have seen a write-up somewhere on how to take apart the dash and slightly bend the connections to the instrument cluster to take care of this problem. I would love to see that again but can't find it -- anybody know?
Or is there some distance sensor that would shut these down after a recent tire swap?
Vehicle is a '00 TJ with the 2.5L with about 70k miles (I know... but a swap is not in the budget right now).
82541 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:18pm
Subject: [TR] Woodpecker (Upper) - Sunday, April 13, 2003
Hello All,
Scott Grigsby is leading a Woodpecker (Upper) trail run on Sunday, April 13, 2003.
When: SUN MORNING, 8:00am
Where: Meet at Florance JCT Texaco
Rating: 4.0+
Length: however long it takes
CB Channel: 4
I am putting new 4.88s in my jeep and hope to have them done by sat night. If for somereason I dont have them done I will have to cancell but I hope to have them done. Lets just have a nice day of wheelilng, nothing to hard, stockers are ok, lets just get together before it gets too hot,
Upper Woodpecker is a wash that runs to the Woodpecker Mine. Years ago this wash was the actual road from the mine. There have been many hours of fun playing and traversing on this trail. It offers rock ledges, cracks, "tippy spots" and is the home of the infamous "Fire Hole". It was one of the first "extreme" trails offered in Arizona.
Over the years this trail has seen the result of "rock stacking" and "ramp building" that has down rated the trail from a 4.5 to a 4.0 but it still has a number of "play areas" and lockers are still required for the harder portion of the trail.
Upon exiting the wash you will climb to the top of the hill where the mine is located. There is an amethyst pit mine near the entrance to the Woodpecker Mine where you will most likely find several "rock hounds" or mountain bikers.
Don't forget your lunch and water. This is one of the longer trails and is normally an all day trip.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
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Thank You,
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82542 From: Brian Peletz <big86er@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:19pm
Subject: tube sidesteps
hey folks,
I'm debating on what to do about new side steps. I
like the look of the factory tube ones, but I want
something more durable. I have looked around and only
seen running boards. I was thinking about taking some
heavy duty tubing and just having it welded to the
frame, 1/4" thick should be enough to protect those
rocker pannels right? Any thoughts or ideas??
Brian
97 TJ
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82543 From: Reid Scholes <azturf@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:23pm
Subject: Re: Blocked-off CCV effect on 02 sensor
Mark,
"Vehicle is a '00 TJ with the 2.5L with about 70k miles (I know... but a swap is not in the budget right now)."
Don't be ashamed of your 2.5L. Do you need to go 90 mph on the way to the trail? Laugh at everyone at the gas pump. Rip that puppy out of there when she's on her last leg (like mine - soon). Sorry, I know nothing about your engine's codes.
Chipotle,
Reid
'89 YJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Maloy
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:08 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Blocked-off CCV effect on 02 sensor
I recently put a breather into my valve cover and plugged off the inlet to the air box thinking that I didn't want oil mist flowing through my throttle body and other points downstream. About a month later the check engine light is on, but I don't know why yet. What is the method to find out the scan codes?
Could this little mod mess up some sensor, or is it more likely to be related to this:
My speedo / odo are not working. I have seen a write-up somewhere on how to take apart the dash and slightly bend the connections to the instrument cluster to take care of this problem. I would love to see that again but can't find it -- anybody know?
Or is there some distance sensor that would shut these down after a recent tire swap?
Vehicle is a '00 TJ with the 2.5L with about 70k miles (I know... but a swap is not in the budget right now).
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82544 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:28pm
Subject: RE: Re: Which mods first? Winch
IMO.....Yes. I've observed an out of state friend use a 6000 lb. Warn
winch. I was not at all impressed with the results. I'm VERY glad I
purchased a 9000 lb. Warn instead of that smaller one. ;)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@a...]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:28 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Rob Williams
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Which mods first? Winch
OK
With the heavy bumper issues, what size winch do we need in AZ? on a
Wrangler?
I see all the 8-9000 pounds sizes but is that needed for rock crawing
(excluding trying to climb waterfalls) I know mud needs alot of power
but
for AZ do we need to carry that much weight and money around?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Which mods first?
> You've got to say what your putting it on! A TJ you can mount it to
> the bumper, if you change bumpers you move it to the new one, I'm
> sure CJs and YJs are similar (on the tire stop or something). I have
> no idea where the XJ and ZJ guys mount it. I would say for those
> maybe a magnetic mount for the top... if you get a new bumper to
> mount it to them it is easily moveable. -Rob
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Rogers" <skijunkie@c...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:54 AM
> > > To: 'James Rogers'; 'azvjc'
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Which mods first?
> > >
> > >
> > > The only thing I would have done differently would have been to
> buy a
> > > stock Jeep rather then one that was mildly built (31"tires and
> 3.5"
> > > lift). Each step I took was a learning process. I did a lot of
> research
> > > on all the mods I have done and did them as economically as
> possible.
> > >
> > > As for a prefered order of building your Jeep.
> > >
> > > 1 Safety.
> > > water
> > > First aid
> > > fire extinguisher
> > > CB/FRS radio
> >
> > A lot of people put CB as one of the first things... is there a
> good way to
> > install a CB that won't interfere with future mods? (ie.
> different bumper,
> > heavy duty tire carrier)
>
>
>
>
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82545 From: andrew broughton <andrewb855@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:56pm
Subject: state land permit
im going to be taking the family camping this weekend probably out by
lake pleasant. do i need a state permit or something else to go?if so
where do i get one.i live near paridise valley.don't want to get some
stupid fine for the sake of a $20 permit. what other permits should i
have for going wheel'n. any help would be great
thanks andrew
82546 From: TODD MCCULLEN <desertfab@m...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:02pm
Subject: I still have SLP
I still sell SLP here at the shop.
Todd McCullen
www.desertfab.com
82547 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:06pm
Subject: [TR] Martinez Canyon - Saturday, April 12, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Greg Kenny is leading a Martinez Canyon trail run on Saturday, April 12, 2003.
When: 8:30 meet roll 9:00 am
Where: meet at cottonwood canyon rd. between FJ and Florence
Rating: 4.0+
Length: whatever
CB Channel: 4
Will probably do Jackhandle as a warm up first. If you've never run Martinez bring a camera.
Martinez Canyon has to be one of the most beautiful canyons south of the Sedona AZ red bluffs. To reach the trailhead you travel over rolling hills of desert cactus, shrubs and trees. All of a sudden you enter a narrow passageway into a canyon of deep red bluffs and cottonwood trees.
Most of the year there is a spring that winds through the trees and low area. You will find the old homestead at the grouping of cottonwood trees along with some old mining generators and storerooms. Just past the homestead you will drop into the wash and follow it to the old mill.
The road winds back and forth across the wash as well as follows the wash for a time but the trail stays in the wash. You can spend hours "playing" on the rocks and waterfalls.
A mile or so into the wash you will approach a large landslide blocking the wash so the trail starts up the switchback trail "to the top of the world". The view from the top of the mountain is breathtaking.
As you start back down the switchback trail you will find it has been washed out, big time! The washout cuts through several of the "switchbacks" in a cut approximately 8 feet deep and 8 foot wide, so down you go. After a drop into the washout you will crank a hard left turn and literally freeslide on the loose gravel/dirt about 200 yards.
The first comment made from one of the original founders is the best description to the end of a great day of wheeling. "This is better than an 'E' Ticket ride at Disneyland! It's wheel'n the luge!"
This trail is definitely for the "extreme" vehicle as well as an experienced driver. Lockers are required and 33" tires and maximum clearance are a must.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
NOTE: 2/17/02 - I (Stu Olson) ran the trail yesterday and I believe it is safe to say that there is not much of a chance to "run the luge" anymore. I could be mistaken, but few (any?) would survive the drop into the luge. It is extrememly erroded now and the old bypass is now the main path down, IMO.
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82548 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:06pm
Subject: RE: state land permit
Andrew....you only need a STL(State Trust Land) permit if you are on
STL.
That being said, it is quite difficult to tell when you are on STL while
wheelin' since the trail can cross on to and off of STL and you would
never know. There are patches of STL all over the state....and probably
less than 1% of it MIGHT have a sign on some part of the trail (normally
the beginning).
As such, I encourage you, as I do all OHV users, to obtain a STL permit
and keep it in their Jeep's glovebox. In the years I have carried one,
I've never had to show it (but not everyone can make that claim). But I
view it as insurance....and we all know we only need insurance when we
don't have it. ;)
You probably won't find a STL permit at this time of day, as there are
only a few places that have them and they are most likely closed.
If you are in Lake Pleasant county park, you won't need a STL permit.
There are no other OHV permits for the state, other than one for some
trail out east, and that one is free....BullDog Canyon (or something
like that?) Never been there, don't exactly recall the name.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: andrew broughton [mailto:andrewb855@a...]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:57 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] state land permit
im going to be taking the family camping this weekend probably out by
lake pleasant. do i need a state permit or something else to go?if so
where do i get one.i live near paridise valley.don't want to get some
stupid fine for the sake of a $20 permit. what other permits should i
have for going wheel'n. any help would be great
thanks andrew
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82549 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:24pm
Subject: Re: I have the best wife....
Mine has no question about the state of my sanity.
:-)
Chris K
On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 05:33 PM, Scott Kruize wrote:
> Chris K,
>
> Mine does the same thing. She only questions my sanity in general ;)
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:28 PM
> To: Chris
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I have the best wife....
>
>
> Ranks right up there with mine. She lets me buy whatever I want for my
> Jeep without questioning it.
>
> Cool b-day gift.
>
> Chris (the other one with a 97 TJ)
>
> On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 10:48 AM, Chris wrote:
>
>> For my birthday I received an air compressor with a complete set of
>> air tools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Yes this is on topic as they will help me do work on my Jeep, getting
>> ready to install the 8.8 this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Chris
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82550 From: trmn8rjn98 <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:35pm
Subject: Re: I still have SLP
SLP + State trust land permit?
If so that is great I will swing by tomorrow if you are open
john
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "TODD MCCULLEN" <desertfab@m...> wrote:
> I still sell SLP here at the shop.
>
> Todd McCullen
> www.desertfab.com
82551 From: Robert <rlpii@q...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:47pm
Subject: Re: I have the best wife....
Chris,
That is great. For our last aniversary, my wife bought me a mig
welder. Nothing says love like power tools! :o)
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> For my birthday I received an air compressor with a complete set of
> air tools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Yes this is on topic as they will help me do work on my Jeep,
> getting ready to install the 8.8 this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Chris
>
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82552 From: Robert <rlpii@q...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:57pm
Subject: Re: Buying a used vehicle in AZ...Help
Or you could make the money order out to Chrysler Credit Corp. (if
they don't have a local office). Unless you know they guy, I wouldn't
give him cash without the title (with a lien on it) and the vehicle.
Just my .02 worth.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, cowboy7575@a... wrote:
> You actually trust him to mail a check to Chrysler after you pay him
cash
> ?????
>
> I would find out if Chrysler has an office in PHX and do it there in
person.
>
> Mike
82553 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:48pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Sunflower Mine Loop - Saturday, April 5, 2003
Hello All,
Brad Rogers lead a trail run Saturday, April 5, 2003 across Sunflower Mine Loop
Long trip but well worth the time. Once again the winch factor came into effect. Unfortunetly it wasn't mine. I ended up getting stuck in the mud hole but wasn't quick enough when getting to my winch control. Dan Sexson partnered up to give me hand and used his 8000lb Ramsey to get me out. It made for a good laugh after a rather long trip.
When we run it again, I think we will run it backwards instead of both front and backwards. Going down the trail is much more difficult than going up through the creek beds. Not sure why but for some reason the obstacles are a little more difficult to maneuver around when gravity is playing more of a role. Thank goodness for "Rock Gaurds."
Word to the wise: Make sure you don't follow any four wheeler trails, thinking that they go somewhere. Unfortunetly for us we followed one and left most of our paint in the wilderness among the branches along side of the path (sorry Dave). Nothing a little wax can't buff right out.
One heck of a time though. We had all TJ's on the trail with the exception of a CJ-7, which had more flex than most of our newer models. Long arm kits, locking diff's, winches and of course the fully loaded Rubicon's. They all performed perfect with the exception of my mud experience. I'll do better next time though. I kind of wanted to try out my winch but Dan beat me to it.
Well, good luck to all of you heading back to Sun Flower. The creek is still flowing but not for too much longer. To those of you who participated in the event; I had a good time and enjoyed all your company. Feel free to email me and give the envite to the next trip. Keep in touch.
Sincerely,
Brad Rogers 2000 TJ
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82554 From: OneBdJeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:40pm
Subject: Re: sway bar
hey wade! those look fine to me!
----- Original Message -----
From: Wade Ungaro
To: AZVJC
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:14 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] sway bar
Should my sway bar links look like this? They looked a bit off to me. Could this be the culprit of my clunking?
Bare with me...I haven't mastered the art of holding my new digital camera straight/steady.
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82555 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:50pm
Subject: RE: Re: Which mods first?
Also, good points. But I dont even think of tow
points/straps/come-along/hi-lift/shovel/axe and good rubber as a
modification. Thats just smart preparation that everyone should have who
wheels. You could add first aid kit, water, and fire ext. to the list too
but they also arnt modifications. :)
Frank
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>From: "Michael Hudson" <mhudson@d...>
>To: "Frank BadAZXJ" <BadAZXJ@m...>,<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Which mods first?
>Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:51:09 -0600
>
>1. tow points/straps/come-along/hi-lift/shovel/axe...
>2. good rubber.
>3. disco's.
>4. skid's and rockers.
>5. lift.
>6. larger tires & gears.
>7. locker.
>
>that's my .02,
>I'm at #5(small lift for me), slightly larger tires and gears wil be next
>year.
>not sure locker will ever happen, certian my wife would hate it in her
>daily driver.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frank BadAZXJ [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 1:49 AM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Which mods first?
>
>
>Yeah, Good points. But what triggered me from his question is if I
>had to do it all over again. I have lifted my Jeep about 4 different
>times, Had 4 sets of different size tires etc. If I were to do it
>again, I would have bought a locker and some skid plates so I could
>pretty much wheel anywhere clearance would allow..Then I would have
>just saved up my money until I had the cash to build it right the
>first time. I would have saved a TON of cash had I done that. :)
>Next to taking off my sway bars, nothing made as noticable difference
>as the lockers. IMO
>
>Frank
>BadAzXJ@m...
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>
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Alex B" <trailzj@y...> wrote:
> > For a TJ I would say:
> > 1 Rockergaurds
> > 2 Disconnects but I just unbolt mine before & reatach after a
> > trail(just the top half).
> > 3 budget lift or body lift to fit 31s(negitive effects are slim
> > to none).
> > 4 31s I have a zj on 31" MTRs and I have a blast. I have done
> > Upper Woodpecker, Martinez canyon, sunflower mine & more.
> > 5 Locker If you dont have a limited slip, put it in the rear,
> > but if you do I'd put it up front.
> > 6 This is pretty much where I am at right now. I am currently
> > modifying my floor for my own custom belly up crossmember and skid.
> > After this my next mod will probably be a snorkel(just the other
>day
> > my brother blew his motor wide open on the sunflower mine trail, I
> > was lucky the same didnt happen to me).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Rogers" <skijunkie@c...>
>wrote:
> > > If you had to do it over, in what order would you make your mods
> > (starting
> > > from completely stock) and why? In case the rich people decide
>to
> > answer,
> > > please assume that you are on a normal working man's budget.
>
>
>
>
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82556 From: Frank BadAZXJ <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 11:03pm
Subject: Re: I have the best wife....
The scary thing is that this isnt the first time Jeff's offered to do
a little wife swappin on this list..... LOL
Second thing is it must be the airborne ranger training or something,
cause a normal guy could fear his wife....shes tiny but I get the
feeling she has a good left hook! :)
Frank
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, airbornexj@a... wrote:
> Two questions.........where do you live LOL
> and can I introduce my wife to yours or how about a trade.....
> I've got some extra parts RLMAO