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82331 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 6:06pm
Subject: FW: Cottonwood Canyon has not been closed
This is the response I sent Shela.
Shela thank you for your response to the problem that Sandee addressed. I am
very happy to know that no more closures have been made. But I would like to
address something we discussed repeatedly at our meeting. Communications!!!
Perhaps if we were advised of these trail markers and their intent the
problem would not have been raised. It is obvious that you had the e-mail
addresses to do this as I am responding to an e-mail sent to me by you now.
Thank you again for clearing up this issue.
Jim Florence
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: Shela_McFarlin@b... [mailto:Shela_McFarlin@b...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 5:11 PM
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Subject: Cottonwood Canyon has not been closed
Sandee McCullen forwarded a concern on the closure of Cottonwood Canyon.
Apparently a rumor is circulating that the canyon has been closed
officially through signing. The canyon hasn't been officially closed.
Temporary signs were placed for use during the recent Arizona Classic
Bronco 4WD club event March 28-30 to avoid two sensitive areas during the
trips in Cottonwood. Four paper signs were posted stating "no Motor
Vehicles Beyond this Sign and/or Flagging". The signs were placed as
mitigation to avoid sensitive site features and petroglyphs which are
important to the Four Southern Tribes.
Passage through the canyon was not and is not affected--unless other
parties re-located the signs since the event weekend. The TFO staff had
intended on removing the signs during planned field work to record the
sites. The trip was delayed, however, so that the signs haven't been moved
yet. They will be removed at the next opportunity.
Please pass along the correct information. Thanks.
Shela A. McFarlin, Field Manager
USDI, Bureau of Land Management
Tucson Field Office
12661 E. Broadway, Tucson, AZ 85748-7208
520-258-7200, 7201 fax 258-7238
Shela_McFarlin@b...
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82332 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 6:08pm
Subject: RE: how do you get mirrors to now turn down?
I drilled the hinge and pinned it. I just remove the pin on the trail and
pull them in. Works for me. Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 5:06 PM
To: Scott Tate
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] how do you get mirrors to now turn down?
Yes, and guess what, if you tighten too much you break the plastic
spacers. The Steelhorse aftermarket
mirrors kind of really suck, especially on a YJ. I'm planning on
reinforcing mine with some stock steel
strips and hose clamps. I'll let you know how this turns out.
Tony
P.S. Of course, if you reinforce the mirrors like I plan to do, the
first thing that'll happen when
you go offroad is that you'll hit a branch and instead of rotating
inward the mirror will just
break off altogether. *shrug*
Scott Tate wrote:
> Hello. I have a YJ and have had both stock mirrors and after market
> mirrors. The ones I have now are the Steelhorse replacement mirrors
> that were !supposed! to have dual focal points on them. Well, as it
> turns out, they don't. Anyway, I've tightened the torx screw as tight
> as I can get it and they still turn down when I hit highway speeds.
> Has anyone gotten the stock style mirrors to not do that? Can you put
> some goop in there somewhere or something? Also, to pass along some
> bad press to you guys, I bought the mirror relocation brackets also.
> Well, when you mount the passenger side mirror, it sits too far
> forward and you can't really see out of it. So, they are worthless
> for that reason. What a pain! Scott
>
>
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82333 From: Brad <a292@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 6:23pm
Subject: Rear Bumper
I need to get a rear bumper/tire carrier for my TJ. I'm ready to
order one from Bulletproof but would like some input from this
group first. Is that a good choice? Any other recommendations?
Thanks
Brad
82334 From: <offroadsundevil5@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 2:46pm
Subject: Florence Junction Run
AZVJCers, (esp. Tucson Wheelers)
I was planning on posting a run for may 3rd which is a saturday, but since I have been out to only those trails once or twice I'm not familiar with the area. I was looking for some Tucson experts to assist in this run out to Florence, I was looking to run martinez canyon or Flatire or another trail around 3.5+ to 4.0-, I will put the post up I would just like to get a leader for this run who has done these runs in the past. I'm also promoting this run so some tucson guys can join in on this. Also where is a good spot to meet for both Tucson and other wheelers in Phoenix and other areas. I would like to get a caravan of the Tucson wheelers to head up together. Thanks for the consideration and any help/advice is greatly appreciated!
Erik Vasquez
82335 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 7:09pm
Subject: Re: [OT] M1911A1 Pistol Raffle
I have some internet links that can help you figure out the current market
value. Email me off list with the serial numbers and I can try to help you
figure it out. I have sold 1911's from $400.00 to $4000.00 it really depends
on when it was made, amount of production, by whom (several manufacturers
made them during war time), and if and when it was issued etc.
Frank
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http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ/badazxj.msnw
>From: "Shaun Girard" <spgirard30@c...>
>To: "Jeff Trujillo" <airbornexj@a...>,<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT] M1911A1 Pistol Raffle
>Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:40:39 -0700
>
>speaking of this gun I have two origanals of this model. One is blued in
>perfect condition with about 7 orginal mags, the orginal wooden case,
>cleaning kit and a couple of orginal bullets. Then i have another 1911
>that
>is pretty beat up appearance wise but still functions perfect. I
>inhearated
>these from my wifes grandpa who was a WWII Army Major, tank commander.
>
>Anyone know what these would be worth. can provide pictures of this would
>help
>
>Thanks
>Shaun
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeff Trujillo" <airbornexj@a...>
>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:35 AM
>Subject: [az_vjc] [OT] M1911A1 Pistol Raffle
>
>
> > I've got raffle tickets for a NEW Reproduction of the beloved WWII US
> > Army pistol, the M1911A1, Cal .45, with two magizines. Need not be
> > present to win. This is from the Phoenix "Valley-of-the-Sun" Chapter
> > 82nd Airborne Division Association that I am a member of.
> >
> > 2nd Prize-$300
> > 3rd Prize-$250
> > 4th Prize-$200
> > 5th Prize-$150
> >
> > 6 Tickets for $5
> >
> > Drawing to be held on National Airborne Day, 16 August 2003.
> >
> > Contact Jeff Trujillo 480-213-1976 cell or 480-649-5588 home.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
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82336 From: Allan Alexander <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 7:09pm
Subject: RE: Training Class Photos
Did anyone post their pictures yet? Anyone from the group that had Rick
Beer first get their pictures up?
Allan
82338 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 7:47pm
Subject: RE: Rear Bumper
Hi Brad,
I have two Bulletproof bumpers, they have benefits and drawbacks:
Benefits:
High Quality (maybe the highest)
Lifetime guarantee (you break it, they replace it, no questions asked)
Drawbacks:
Heavy
Heavy
Heavy
Did I say Heavy?
All in all... If I had to purchase another bumper; it would be bulletproof.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad [mailto:a292@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:23 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Rear Bumper
I need to get a rear bumper/tire carrier for my TJ. I'm ready to
order one from Bulletproof but would like some input from this
group first. Is that a good choice? Any other recommendations?
Thanks
Brad
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82339 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 7:45pm
Subject: [TR] Martinez Canyon - Saturday, April 12, 2003
Hello All,
Greg Kenny is leading a Martinez Canyon trail run on Saturday, April 12, 2003.
When: 8:30 meet roll 9:00 am
Where: meet at cottonwood canyon rd. between FJ and Florence
Rating: 4.0+
Length: whatever
CB Channel: 4
Will probably do Jackhandle as a warm up first. If you've never run Martinez bring a camera.
Martinez Canyon has to be one of the most beautiful canyons south of the Sedona AZ red bluffs. To reach the trailhead you travel over rolling hills of desert cactus, shrubs and trees. All of a sudden you enter a narrow passageway into a canyon of deep red bluffs and cottonwood trees.
Most of the year there is a spring that winds through the trees and low area. You will find the old homestead at the grouping of cottonwood trees along with some old mining generators and storerooms. Just past the homestead you will drop into the wash and follow it to the old mill.
The road winds back and forth across the wash as well as follows the wash for a time but the trail stays in the wash. You can spend hours "playing" on the rocks and waterfalls.
A mile or so into the wash you will approach a large landslide blocking the wash so the trail starts up the switchback trail "to the top of the world". The view from the top of the mountain is breathtaking.
As you start back down the switchback trail you will find it has been washed out, big time! The washout cuts through several of the "switchbacks" in a cut approximately 8 feet deep and 8 foot wide, so down you go. After a drop into the washout you will crank a hard left turn and literally freeslide on the loose gravel/dirt about 200 yards.
The first comment made from one of the original founders is the best description to the end of a great day of wheeling. "This is better than an 'E' Ticket ride at Disneyland! It's wheel'n the luge!"
This trail is definitely for the "extreme" vehicle as well as an experienced driver. Lockers are required and 33" tires and maximum clearance are a must.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
NOTE: 2/17/02 - I (Stu Olson) ran the trail yesterday and I believe it is safe to say that there is not much of a chance to "run the luge" anymore. I could be mistaken, but few (any?) would survive the drop into the luge. It is extrememly erroded now and the old bypass is now the main path down, IMO.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
82340 From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 7:53pm
Subject: Re: Anyone know where to get a winch fixed?
Scratch that last email. I didn't look at the location first.
Larry
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tj_angel_113" <angel_113_@h...> wrote:
> I am looking at buying a used Ramsey winch from a co-worker of a
> friend of mine. It's off his full size Ford-250 built into his
> bumper, so I'm pretty sure it have an 8000 lb or larger rating on
> it. Only problem is that is won't send let the cable spool out but
> it can still pull. He only want $50 and I have to pull it from the
> truck myself. Is this something I should look at or is it more
> trouble than it's worth? Anyone in the group know how to fix a
> winch or know of a company that does?
>
> TIA,
>
> Angel
82341 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 8:08pm
Subject: Any 3.0+ trail runs this weekend?
Anybody looking to go do any trail runs around 3.0 (Crown king maybe?)?
I ran up to Martinez Cabins (taht was a gas) today, which was great,
but I'm not up for 4.0 stuff that lies beyond that yet, either with
equipment or driving skill.
82342 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 8:27pm
Subject: Re: Florence Junction Run
Eric, I may be up for Martinez that Saturday.. Upper Woodpecker would be another nice run in that general.. I'ld gladly lead that one..
It's starting to get hot around this time of the year, and it can really bake up around Florence, FJ area.. I've been considering a night run, or two up there in another month or so.
When we (Tucson people) head up that way, we normal meet and the McDonalds, at Oracle and McGee, and then meet the Phoenix people at either the Texico station (in Florence), or at the beginning of Cottonwood Road.
I'm probably going to be posting a run for the weekend after this coming one, for Lower Mansfield.. This is south of Tucson, at the south end of the Santa Rita Mountains, off the town of Patagonia.. This probably won't work for the Phoenix crew, as it'ld be a hell've drive for 'em..
This is a 3.5+ ~ 4.0 trail. Sort of like a wanna be Graveyard (Miners Revenge).. A couple of us ran it last Sunday. That's the first time that I've been down there since last year. It's really grown up, so this upcoming run will be a bit of a work run, to get some of the overgrown brush trimmed out (ripped my soft top on some of it)... It's tough on wheels and skids ;)
Best,
Fred (in Tucson ;) )
----- Original Message -----
From: offroadsundevil5@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Florence Junction Run
AZVJCers, (esp. Tucson Wheelers)
I was planning on posting a run for may 3rd which is a saturday, but since I have been out to only those trails once or twice I'm not familiar with the area. I was looking for some Tucson experts to assist in this run out to Florence, I was looking to run martinez canyon or Flatire or another trail around 3.5+ to 4.0-, I will put the post up I would just like to get a leader for this run who has done these runs in the past. I'm also promoting this run so some tucson guys can join in on this. Also where is a good spot to meet for both Tucson and other wheelers in Phoenix and other areas. I would like to get a caravan of the Tucson wheelers to head up together. Thanks for the consideration and any help/advice is greatly appreciated!
Erik Vasquez
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82343 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 8:41pm
Subject: OT OT FREE
FREE to good home black vinyl couch need to unload by this weekend first come first serve
THANKS RICK BEER
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82344 From: David Cole <lists@o...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 8:51pm
Subject: RE: Training Class Photos
Here are the pics I took at Saturday's training.
http://www.obsideon.us/trails/WhiteTanks_4-4-03/
David
82345 From: Scott Fessenden <doktongue@y...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 8:57pm
Subject: Pics of Jeff Trujillo's Lift, Sorry it's late
The price for using Scott's driveway all day!
Just for the record, Jeff DOES have 33s under his Jeep now. Looks alot better than those 31s ... Sorry Jeff! Scott F. and Sara
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82346 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 9:11pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, April 26, 2003
Hello All,
Rick Lovaas is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, April 26, 2003.
When: Saturday 26 April (Short Notice!)
Where: Meeting place: Texaco gas station @ Florence Junction 8 am.
OR: Crackerbarrel off I-17 and Deer Valley 8 am
Rating: None
Length: 8+ hrs
CB Channel:
Martinez Canyon: Bring water, food/snacks, this is a long trail. Don't forget the camera either, this trail is in full spring splendor! Awesome views greet those who have never witnessed driving through these canyons, a true graphic memory to be savored for years.
Edit: I may run to Crown King that day. Awaiting showing of people, help me decided...
Email me: lovaasr@hotmail.com
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
82347 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 9:14pm
Subject: Re: Rear Bumper
Well, the Bulletproof is, as it's name suggest, bulletproof ;), however, for
me it's WAAAYYYYYY too heavy... I'm not looking to lower my Jeep with
weights LOL !
Anyway, I'm sure that you'll get some other manif. suggestions. Might also
want to check with some of the local fab shops. Hunter maybe.. I'm sure that
you can get a great bumper/tire carrier for a lot less weight, and maybe
even less money
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad" <a292@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Rear Bumper
> I need to get a rear bumper/tire carrier for my TJ. I'm ready to
> order one from Bulletproof but would like some input from this
> group first. Is that a good choice? Any other recommendations?
>
> Thanks
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
82348 From: ajeepgirlinaz <AJEEPGIRLINAZ@A...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 9:35pm
Subject: Re: Still clunking [WAS: Again, I need some insite...]
Hi Wade,
I hope you were able to figure out what was wrong. Duffy asked me to
tell you that he is out of town, and could be for some time.(work
stuff). He's Sorry he couldn't help this time....
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...> wrote:
>
> Well everybody,
> I took your advice and I stripped the front tires off and checked
the brake pads...nothing abnormal. Made sure the tires were both on
straight and the lugs were tight. My control arm bushings look
pretty bad but I'm almost positive that's not what's causing the
problem. I still have a consistant clunking sound, in the front
right and possibly the front left, when at low speeds not braking or
accelerating. I HAVE NO CLUE what's going on. There seems to be no
rubbing of any parts. HELP! Anyone know where I can go to
a "trusting" mechanic to have them check it out. I basically just
need to find out what the problem is and then I should be able to fix
it...hopefully. My Jeep's also idling VERY hard so I want to get
that checked out as well. Duffy, do you do mechanic work? Anyone
else? TIA...I appreciate it.
> ~Wade
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wade Ungaro [mailto:swaders7@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:34 PM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Again, I need some insite...
>
>
> A few days ago I noticed while idling I was hearing/feeling a weird
clunk I think in the front. The sound/feeling is consistant with the
wheels turning. This does not happen when I apply the brakes or gas
and I only feel/hear it when going less than 10 mph. The day before
this started happening I replaced my front brake pads, but I did
nothing out of the ordinary. Any ideas what this might be or what to
look for to find the culprit? TIA
>
>
>
>
> ~Wade
> '97 "Blue Cactus" TJ
>
>
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82349 From: Mike <msa12171@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:08pm
Subject: Re: Still clunking [WAS: Again, I need some insite...]
Who's garage will you sweep while he's gone? You can come sweep mine
anytime. ;) Don't tell Sharky, I don't want to ever see that again!
Mike Anderson
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "ajeepgirlinaz" <AJEEPGIRLINAZ@A...>
wrote:
> Hi Wade,
>
> I hope you were able to figure out what was wrong. Duffy asked me
to
> tell you that he is out of town, and could be for some time.(work
> stuff). He's Sorry he couldn't help this time....
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Well everybody,
> > I took your advice and I stripped the front tires off and checked
> the brake pads...nothing abnormal. Made sure the tires were both
on
> straight and the lugs were tight. My control arm bushings look
> pretty bad but I'm almost positive that's not what's causing the
> problem. I still have a consistant clunking sound, in the front
> right and possibly the front left, when at low speeds not braking
or
> accelerating. I HAVE NO CLUE what's going on. There seems to be
no
> rubbing of any parts. HELP! Anyone know where I can go to
> a "trusting" mechanic to have them check it out. I basically just
> need to find out what the problem is and then I should be able to
fix
> it...hopefully. My Jeep's also idling VERY hard so I want to get
> that checked out as well. Duffy, do you do mechanic work? Anyone
> else? TIA...I appreciate it.
> > ~Wade
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wade Ungaro [mailto:swaders7@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:34 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Again, I need some insite...
> >
> >
> > A few days ago I noticed while idling I was hearing/feeling a
weird
> clunk I think in the front. The sound/feeling is consistant with
the
> wheels turning. This does not happen when I apply the brakes or
gas
> and I only feel/hear it when going less than 10 mph. The day
before
> this started happening I replaced my front brake pads, but I did
> nothing out of the ordinary. Any ideas what this might be or what
to
> look for to find the culprit? TIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Wade
> > '97 "Blue Cactus" TJ
> >
> >
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82350 From: Kyle Hagan <kyle@u...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:14pm
Subject: Somebody Help!
I got the rear end out but I dont have a torx tool big enough to get the trac bar off the old unit to put it on the new.....
Anybody in chandler able to help me out tonight?
602-348-6457
Kyle
82351 From: James Rogers <skijunkie@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:22pm
Subject: Box Canyon/Martinez Cabin Pics
Go here http://boxcanyon.jamesrogers.net/
and if that doesn't work try this one
http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/boxcanyongallery/FrameSet.htm
If anyone wants bigger or full size versions (1800 x 1200) let me know and I
will e-mail them to you or give them to you on CD if you are bandwidth
challenged (they average around 500K and some are more than 1 MB). Some
turned out pretty good and might make good wallpaper.
82352 From: Nasser <nasser88@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:21pm
Subject: RE: Somebody Help!
Kyle,
I have a set if you want to borrow them.
Give me a call at 602-799-1340
Ill be up for another 30 minutes.
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:kyle@usa4x4.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:14 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Somebody Help!
I got the rear end out but I dont have a torx tool big enough to get the trac bar off the old unit to put it on the new.....
Anybody in chandler able to help me out tonight?
602-348-6457
Kyle
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82353 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:29pm
Subject: Re: Somebody Help!
Nasser,
I am heading to Kyle's house now to bring the torx bits and a few other items he needs.
-Mike Hoyt
----- Original Message -----
From: Nasser
To: Kyle Hagan ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Somebody Help!
Kyle,
I have a set if you want to borrow them.
Give me a call at 602-799-1340
I’ll be up for another 30 minutes.
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:kyle@usa4x4.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:14 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Somebody Help!
I got the rear end out but I dont have a torx tool big enough to get the trac bar off the old unit to put it on the new.....
Anybody in chandler able to help me out tonight?
602-348-6457
Kyle
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82354 From: David Cole <lists@o...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:28pm
Subject: RE: Training Class Photos
1) Doing HTML by hand.
2) Mozilla is more forgiving about syntax errors than Internet Explorer.
This time should work (cross all fingers and toes).
http://www.obsideon.us/trails/WhiteTanks_4-4-03/
David
-----Original Message-----
From: casper [mailto:casper@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:07 PM
To: dcole@o...
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Training Class Photos
David,
I used your link to the photo's, but the page is blank. What's up
buddy??
Casper
82355 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 11:31pm
Subject: RE: Rear Bumper
I really like my Hanson Enterprise rear bumber/tire carrier. Check 'em out.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:47 PM
To: 'Brad'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Rear Bumper
Hi Brad,
I have two Bulletproof bumpers, they have benefits and drawbacks:
Benefits:
High Quality (maybe the highest)
Lifetime guarantee (you break it, they replace it, no questions asked)
Drawbacks:
Heavy
Heavy
Heavy
Did I say Heavy?
All in all... If I had to purchase another bumper; it would be bulletproof.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad [mailto:a292@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:23 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Rear Bumper
I need to get a rear bumper/tire carrier for my TJ. I'm ready to
order one from Bulletproof but would like some input from this
group first. Is that a good choice? Any other recommendations?
Thanks
Brad
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82356 From: Darnella <Zesty1@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:33pm
Subject: Re: Advice on buying a used Grand Cherokee
Always pull the carfax.
D~
----- Original Message -----
From: "cj5gpinn" <mike@k...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Advice on buying a used Grand Cherokee
> Hi All,
>
> Well unfortunately the wife was involved in a car accident, not her
> fault, and our Civic was totaled. So we are looking to moving up and
> get a used Grand Cherokee. I was hoping for some input. Having only
> owned CJs I am not familiar with the common problems one might look
> for when buying a used Grand Cherokee. Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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>
>
82331 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 6:06pm
Subject: FW: Cottonwood Canyon has not been closed
This is the response I sent Shela.
Shela thank you for your response to the problem that Sandee addressed. I am
very happy to know that no more closures have been made. But I would like to
address something we discussed repeatedly at our meeting. Communications!!!
Perhaps if we were advised of these trail markers and their intent the
problem would not have been raised. It is obvious that you had the e-mail
addresses to do this as I am responding to an e-mail sent to me by you now.
Thank you again for clearing up this issue.
Jim Florence
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: Shela_McFarlin@b... [mailto:Shela_McFarlin@b...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 5:11 PM
To: Tom Taylor; Tammy Pike; Sandee McCullen; Ken Baker; John Windes; Joe
Winfield; Glendon Collins; Dave Bertelsen; Linda Marianito; Vaughn
Nezelek; Troy Munig; Tomas Taylor; Tom Bickauskas; Todd Zuercher; Todd
Shepard; Tim Wade; Sy DeVries; Stu Olson; Steve Willoughby; Steve
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Carrillo; Elliott Bartlett; Doug Schulz; Doug Edwards; Dick Bergeron;
Debbie Brewer; David Hickman; David Carson; Dave Peterson; Craig Ringer;
Connie Lane; Cliff Daniel; Clay Forrester; Chuck@b..., ; Chris;
Newell; <newell@g...>, ; Charles; Bussey;
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Bill; Mihailov; <amy@s...>, ; Bill; Gibson;
<Bill_Gibson@b...>, ; Bill; Auby; <bill_auby@b...>, ; Barry;
Brummett; <heinz57yj@y...>, ; Ann; Watson; <ann_watson@f...>, ;
Alex; Argueta; <alex14@m...>, ; M.J.VanFleet;
<mvanfleet@f...>, <shela_mcfarlin@b...>, ; TODD; MCCULLEN;
<desertfab@m...>, <gotrox@c...>, ; Michael; Wixom;
<h8pvmnt@h...>, ; Scott; Maiden; <bermboy@h...>, ; Hackle;
<hackle@q...>, ; Brandon; <jeepinaz@c...>, ; amy;
<amy@s...>, Steven_C._Forrester@b..., ; Russell;
Gevarter; <gev39@y...>, ; Sandee; McCullen; <mccullen@c...>,
; Judy; RAYA; " <jhraya@m...>,
Richard__Loganrlogan@d.../OU=TFO/OU=AZ/OU=BLM/O=DOI/"@blm.gov
Cc: Darrell_Tersey@b...; Francisco_Mendoza@b...;
Linda_Marianito@b...; Jane_Pike-Childress@b...;
Michael_Taylor@b...; Bill_Gibson@b...
Subject: Cottonwood Canyon has not been closed
Sandee McCullen forwarded a concern on the closure of Cottonwood Canyon.
Apparently a rumor is circulating that the canyon has been closed
officially through signing. The canyon hasn't been officially closed.
Temporary signs were placed for use during the recent Arizona Classic
Bronco 4WD club event March 28-30 to avoid two sensitive areas during the
trips in Cottonwood. Four paper signs were posted stating "no Motor
Vehicles Beyond this Sign and/or Flagging". The signs were placed as
mitigation to avoid sensitive site features and petroglyphs which are
important to the Four Southern Tribes.
Passage through the canyon was not and is not affected--unless other
parties re-located the signs since the event weekend. The TFO staff had
intended on removing the signs during planned field work to record the
sites. The trip was delayed, however, so that the signs haven't been moved
yet. They will be removed at the next opportunity.
Please pass along the correct information. Thanks.
Shela A. McFarlin, Field Manager
USDI, Bureau of Land Management
Tucson Field Office
12661 E. Broadway, Tucson, AZ 85748-7208
520-258-7200, 7201 fax 258-7238
Shela_McFarlin@b...
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82332 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 6:08pm
Subject: RE: how do you get mirrors to now turn down?
I drilled the hinge and pinned it. I just remove the pin on the trail and
pull them in. Works for me. Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 5:06 PM
To: Scott Tate
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] how do you get mirrors to now turn down?
Yes, and guess what, if you tighten too much you break the plastic
spacers. The Steelhorse aftermarket
mirrors kind of really suck, especially on a YJ. I'm planning on
reinforcing mine with some stock steel
strips and hose clamps. I'll let you know how this turns out.
Tony
P.S. Of course, if you reinforce the mirrors like I plan to do, the
first thing that'll happen when
you go offroad is that you'll hit a branch and instead of rotating
inward the mirror will just
break off altogether. *shrug*
Scott Tate wrote:
> Hello. I have a YJ and have had both stock mirrors and after market
> mirrors. The ones I have now are the Steelhorse replacement mirrors
> that were !supposed! to have dual focal points on them. Well, as it
> turns out, they don't. Anyway, I've tightened the torx screw as tight
> as I can get it and they still turn down when I hit highway speeds.
> Has anyone gotten the stock style mirrors to not do that? Can you put
> some goop in there somewhere or something? Also, to pass along some
> bad press to you guys, I bought the mirror relocation brackets also.
> Well, when you mount the passenger side mirror, it sits too far
> forward and you can't really see out of it. So, they are worthless
> for that reason. What a pain! Scott
>
>
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82333 From: Brad <a292@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 6:23pm
Subject: Rear Bumper
I need to get a rear bumper/tire carrier for my TJ. I'm ready to
order one from Bulletproof but would like some input from this
group first. Is that a good choice? Any other recommendations?
Thanks
Brad
82334 From: <offroadsundevil5@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 2:46pm
Subject: Florence Junction Run
AZVJCers, (esp. Tucson Wheelers)
I was planning on posting a run for may 3rd which is a saturday, but since I have been out to only those trails once or twice I'm not familiar with the area. I was looking for some Tucson experts to assist in this run out to Florence, I was looking to run martinez canyon or Flatire or another trail around 3.5+ to 4.0-, I will put the post up I would just like to get a leader for this run who has done these runs in the past. I'm also promoting this run so some tucson guys can join in on this. Also where is a good spot to meet for both Tucson and other wheelers in Phoenix and other areas. I would like to get a caravan of the Tucson wheelers to head up together. Thanks for the consideration and any help/advice is greatly appreciated!
Erik Vasquez
82335 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 7:09pm
Subject: Re: [OT] M1911A1 Pistol Raffle
I have some internet links that can help you figure out the current market
value. Email me off list with the serial numbers and I can try to help you
figure it out. I have sold 1911's from $400.00 to $4000.00 it really depends
on when it was made, amount of production, by whom (several manufacturers
made them during war time), and if and when it was issued etc.
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ/badazxj.msnw
>From: "Shaun Girard" <spgirard30@c...>
>To: "Jeff Trujillo" <airbornexj@a...>,<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT] M1911A1 Pistol Raffle
>Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:40:39 -0700
>
>speaking of this gun I have two origanals of this model. One is blued in
>perfect condition with about 7 orginal mags, the orginal wooden case,
>cleaning kit and a couple of orginal bullets. Then i have another 1911
>that
>is pretty beat up appearance wise but still functions perfect. I
>inhearated
>these from my wifes grandpa who was a WWII Army Major, tank commander.
>
>Anyone know what these would be worth. can provide pictures of this would
>help
>
>Thanks
>Shaun
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeff Trujillo" <airbornexj@a...>
>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:35 AM
>Subject: [az_vjc] [OT] M1911A1 Pistol Raffle
>
>
> > I've got raffle tickets for a NEW Reproduction of the beloved WWII US
> > Army pistol, the M1911A1, Cal .45, with two magizines. Need not be
> > present to win. This is from the Phoenix "Valley-of-the-Sun" Chapter
> > 82nd Airborne Division Association that I am a member of.
> >
> > 2nd Prize-$300
> > 3rd Prize-$250
> > 4th Prize-$200
> > 5th Prize-$150
> >
> > 6 Tickets for $5
> >
> > Drawing to be held on National Airborne Day, 16 August 2003.
> >
> > Contact Jeff Trujillo 480-213-1976 cell or 480-649-5588 home.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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82336 From: Allan Alexander <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 7:09pm
Subject: RE: Training Class Photos
Did anyone post their pictures yet? Anyone from the group that had Rick
Beer first get their pictures up?
Allan
82338 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 7:47pm
Subject: RE: Rear Bumper
Hi Brad,
I have two Bulletproof bumpers, they have benefits and drawbacks:
Benefits:
High Quality (maybe the highest)
Lifetime guarantee (you break it, they replace it, no questions asked)
Drawbacks:
Heavy
Heavy
Heavy
Did I say Heavy?
All in all... If I had to purchase another bumper; it would be bulletproof.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad [mailto:a292@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:23 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Rear Bumper
I need to get a rear bumper/tire carrier for my TJ. I'm ready to
order one from Bulletproof but would like some input from this
group first. Is that a good choice? Any other recommendations?
Thanks
Brad
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82339 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 7:45pm
Subject: [TR] Martinez Canyon - Saturday, April 12, 2003
Hello All,
Greg Kenny is leading a Martinez Canyon trail run on Saturday, April 12, 2003.
When: 8:30 meet roll 9:00 am
Where: meet at cottonwood canyon rd. between FJ and Florence
Rating: 4.0+
Length: whatever
CB Channel: 4
Will probably do Jackhandle as a warm up first. If you've never run Martinez bring a camera.
Martinez Canyon has to be one of the most beautiful canyons south of the Sedona AZ red bluffs. To reach the trailhead you travel over rolling hills of desert cactus, shrubs and trees. All of a sudden you enter a narrow passageway into a canyon of deep red bluffs and cottonwood trees.
Most of the year there is a spring that winds through the trees and low area. You will find the old homestead at the grouping of cottonwood trees along with some old mining generators and storerooms. Just past the homestead you will drop into the wash and follow it to the old mill.
The road winds back and forth across the wash as well as follows the wash for a time but the trail stays in the wash. You can spend hours "playing" on the rocks and waterfalls.
A mile or so into the wash you will approach a large landslide blocking the wash so the trail starts up the switchback trail "to the top of the world". The view from the top of the mountain is breathtaking.
As you start back down the switchback trail you will find it has been washed out, big time! The washout cuts through several of the "switchbacks" in a cut approximately 8 feet deep and 8 foot wide, so down you go. After a drop into the washout you will crank a hard left turn and literally freeslide on the loose gravel/dirt about 200 yards.
The first comment made from one of the original founders is the best description to the end of a great day of wheeling. "This is better than an 'E' Ticket ride at Disneyland! It's wheel'n the luge!"
This trail is definitely for the "extreme" vehicle as well as an experienced driver. Lockers are required and 33" tires and maximum clearance are a must.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
NOTE: 2/17/02 - I (Stu Olson) ran the trail yesterday and I believe it is safe to say that there is not much of a chance to "run the luge" anymore. I could be mistaken, but few (any?) would survive the drop into the luge. It is extrememly erroded now and the old bypass is now the main path down, IMO.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
82340 From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 7:53pm
Subject: Re: Anyone know where to get a winch fixed?
Scratch that last email. I didn't look at the location first.
Larry
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tj_angel_113" <angel_113_@h...> wrote:
> I am looking at buying a used Ramsey winch from a co-worker of a
> friend of mine. It's off his full size Ford-250 built into his
> bumper, so I'm pretty sure it have an 8000 lb or larger rating on
> it. Only problem is that is won't send let the cable spool out but
> it can still pull. He only want $50 and I have to pull it from the
> truck myself. Is this something I should look at or is it more
> trouble than it's worth? Anyone in the group know how to fix a
> winch or know of a company that does?
>
> TIA,
>
> Angel
82341 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 8:08pm
Subject: Any 3.0+ trail runs this weekend?
Anybody looking to go do any trail runs around 3.0 (Crown king maybe?)?
I ran up to Martinez Cabins (taht was a gas) today, which was great,
but I'm not up for 4.0 stuff that lies beyond that yet, either with
equipment or driving skill.
82342 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 8:27pm
Subject: Re: Florence Junction Run
Eric, I may be up for Martinez that Saturday.. Upper Woodpecker would be another nice run in that general.. I'ld gladly lead that one..
It's starting to get hot around this time of the year, and it can really bake up around Florence, FJ area.. I've been considering a night run, or two up there in another month or so.
When we (Tucson people) head up that way, we normal meet and the McDonalds, at Oracle and McGee, and then meet the Phoenix people at either the Texico station (in Florence), or at the beginning of Cottonwood Road.
I'm probably going to be posting a run for the weekend after this coming one, for Lower Mansfield.. This is south of Tucson, at the south end of the Santa Rita Mountains, off the town of Patagonia.. This probably won't work for the Phoenix crew, as it'ld be a hell've drive for 'em..
This is a 3.5+ ~ 4.0 trail. Sort of like a wanna be Graveyard (Miners Revenge).. A couple of us ran it last Sunday. That's the first time that I've been down there since last year. It's really grown up, so this upcoming run will be a bit of a work run, to get some of the overgrown brush trimmed out (ripped my soft top on some of it)... It's tough on wheels and skids ;)
Best,
Fred (in Tucson ;) )
----- Original Message -----
From: offroadsundevil5@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Florence Junction Run
AZVJCers, (esp. Tucson Wheelers)
I was planning on posting a run for may 3rd which is a saturday, but since I have been out to only those trails once or twice I'm not familiar with the area. I was looking for some Tucson experts to assist in this run out to Florence, I was looking to run martinez canyon or Flatire or another trail around 3.5+ to 4.0-, I will put the post up I would just like to get a leader for this run who has done these runs in the past. I'm also promoting this run so some tucson guys can join in on this. Also where is a good spot to meet for both Tucson and other wheelers in Phoenix and other areas. I would like to get a caravan of the Tucson wheelers to head up together. Thanks for the consideration and any help/advice is greatly appreciated!
Erik Vasquez
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82343 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 8:41pm
Subject: OT OT FREE
FREE to good home black vinyl couch need to unload by this weekend first come first serve
THANKS RICK BEER
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82344 From: David Cole <lists@o...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 8:51pm
Subject: RE: Training Class Photos
Here are the pics I took at Saturday's training.
http://www.obsideon.us/trails/WhiteTanks_4-4-03/
David
82345 From: Scott Fessenden <doktongue@y...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 8:57pm
Subject: Pics of Jeff Trujillo's Lift, Sorry it's late
The price for using Scott's driveway all day!
Just for the record, Jeff DOES have 33s under his Jeep now. Looks alot better than those 31s ... Sorry Jeff! Scott F. and Sara
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82346 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 9:11pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, April 26, 2003
Hello All,
Rick Lovaas is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, April 26, 2003.
When: Saturday 26 April (Short Notice!)
Where: Meeting place: Texaco gas station @ Florence Junction 8 am.
OR: Crackerbarrel off I-17 and Deer Valley 8 am
Rating: None
Length: 8+ hrs
CB Channel:
Martinez Canyon: Bring water, food/snacks, this is a long trail. Don't forget the camera either, this trail is in full spring splendor! Awesome views greet those who have never witnessed driving through these canyons, a true graphic memory to be savored for years.
Edit: I may run to Crown King that day. Awaiting showing of people, help me decided...
Email me: lovaasr@hotmail.com
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
82347 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 9:14pm
Subject: Re: Rear Bumper
Well, the Bulletproof is, as it's name suggest, bulletproof ;), however, for
me it's WAAAYYYYYY too heavy... I'm not looking to lower my Jeep with
weights LOL !
Anyway, I'm sure that you'll get some other manif. suggestions. Might also
want to check with some of the local fab shops. Hunter maybe.. I'm sure that
you can get a great bumper/tire carrier for a lot less weight, and maybe
even less money
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad" <a292@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Rear Bumper
> I need to get a rear bumper/tire carrier for my TJ. I'm ready to
> order one from Bulletproof but would like some input from this
> group first. Is that a good choice? Any other recommendations?
>
> Thanks
> Brad
>
>
>
>
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82348 From: ajeepgirlinaz <AJEEPGIRLINAZ@A...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 9:35pm
Subject: Re: Still clunking [WAS: Again, I need some insite...]
Hi Wade,
I hope you were able to figure out what was wrong. Duffy asked me to
tell you that he is out of town, and could be for some time.(work
stuff). He's Sorry he couldn't help this time....
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...> wrote:
>
> Well everybody,
> I took your advice and I stripped the front tires off and checked
the brake pads...nothing abnormal. Made sure the tires were both on
straight and the lugs were tight. My control arm bushings look
pretty bad but I'm almost positive that's not what's causing the
problem. I still have a consistant clunking sound, in the front
right and possibly the front left, when at low speeds not braking or
accelerating. I HAVE NO CLUE what's going on. There seems to be no
rubbing of any parts. HELP! Anyone know where I can go to
a "trusting" mechanic to have them check it out. I basically just
need to find out what the problem is and then I should be able to fix
it...hopefully. My Jeep's also idling VERY hard so I want to get
that checked out as well. Duffy, do you do mechanic work? Anyone
else? TIA...I appreciate it.
> ~Wade
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wade Ungaro [mailto:swaders7@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:34 PM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Again, I need some insite...
>
>
> A few days ago I noticed while idling I was hearing/feeling a weird
clunk I think in the front. The sound/feeling is consistant with the
wheels turning. This does not happen when I apply the brakes or gas
and I only feel/hear it when going less than 10 mph. The day before
this started happening I replaced my front brake pads, but I did
nothing out of the ordinary. Any ideas what this might be or what to
look for to find the culprit? TIA
>
>
>
>
> ~Wade
> '97 "Blue Cactus" TJ
>
>
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82349 From: Mike <msa12171@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:08pm
Subject: Re: Still clunking [WAS: Again, I need some insite...]
Who's garage will you sweep while he's gone? You can come sweep mine
anytime. ;) Don't tell Sharky, I don't want to ever see that again!
Mike Anderson
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "ajeepgirlinaz" <AJEEPGIRLINAZ@A...>
wrote:
> Hi Wade,
>
> I hope you were able to figure out what was wrong. Duffy asked me
to
> tell you that he is out of town, and could be for some time.(work
> stuff). He's Sorry he couldn't help this time....
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Well everybody,
> > I took your advice and I stripped the front tires off and checked
> the brake pads...nothing abnormal. Made sure the tires were both
on
> straight and the lugs were tight. My control arm bushings look
> pretty bad but I'm almost positive that's not what's causing the
> problem. I still have a consistant clunking sound, in the front
> right and possibly the front left, when at low speeds not braking
or
> accelerating. I HAVE NO CLUE what's going on. There seems to be
no
> rubbing of any parts. HELP! Anyone know where I can go to
> a "trusting" mechanic to have them check it out. I basically just
> need to find out what the problem is and then I should be able to
fix
> it...hopefully. My Jeep's also idling VERY hard so I want to get
> that checked out as well. Duffy, do you do mechanic work? Anyone
> else? TIA...I appreciate it.
> > ~Wade
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wade Ungaro [mailto:swaders7@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:34 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Again, I need some insite...
> >
> >
> > A few days ago I noticed while idling I was hearing/feeling a
weird
> clunk I think in the front. The sound/feeling is consistant with
the
> wheels turning. This does not happen when I apply the brakes or
gas
> and I only feel/hear it when going less than 10 mph. The day
before
> this started happening I replaced my front brake pads, but I did
> nothing out of the ordinary. Any ideas what this might be or what
to
> look for to find the culprit? TIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Wade
> > '97 "Blue Cactus" TJ
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> desktop!
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> >
> >
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82350 From: Kyle Hagan <kyle@u...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:14pm
Subject: Somebody Help!
I got the rear end out but I dont have a torx tool big enough to get the trac bar off the old unit to put it on the new.....
Anybody in chandler able to help me out tonight?
602-348-6457
Kyle
82351 From: James Rogers <skijunkie@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:22pm
Subject: Box Canyon/Martinez Cabin Pics
Go here http://boxcanyon.jamesrogers.net/
and if that doesn't work try this one
http://members.cox.net/topjimmy/jeep/boxcanyongallery/FrameSet.htm
If anyone wants bigger or full size versions (1800 x 1200) let me know and I
will e-mail them to you or give them to you on CD if you are bandwidth
challenged (they average around 500K and some are more than 1 MB). Some
turned out pretty good and might make good wallpaper.
82352 From: Nasser <nasser88@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:21pm
Subject: RE: Somebody Help!
Kyle,
I have a set if you want to borrow them.
Give me a call at 602-799-1340
Ill be up for another 30 minutes.
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:kyle@usa4x4.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:14 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Somebody Help!
I got the rear end out but I dont have a torx tool big enough to get the trac bar off the old unit to put it on the new.....
Anybody in chandler able to help me out tonight?
602-348-6457
Kyle
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82353 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:29pm
Subject: Re: Somebody Help!
Nasser,
I am heading to Kyle's house now to bring the torx bits and a few other items he needs.
-Mike Hoyt
----- Original Message -----
From: Nasser
To: Kyle Hagan ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Somebody Help!
Kyle,
I have a set if you want to borrow them.
Give me a call at 602-799-1340
I’ll be up for another 30 minutes.
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:kyle@usa4x4.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:14 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Somebody Help!
I got the rear end out but I dont have a torx tool big enough to get the trac bar off the old unit to put it on the new.....
Anybody in chandler able to help me out tonight?
602-348-6457
Kyle
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82354 From: David Cole <lists@o...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:28pm
Subject: RE: Training Class Photos
1) Doing HTML by hand.
2) Mozilla is more forgiving about syntax errors than Internet Explorer.
This time should work (cross all fingers and toes).
http://www.obsideon.us/trails/WhiteTanks_4-4-03/
David
-----Original Message-----
From: casper [mailto:casper@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:07 PM
To: dcole@o...
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Training Class Photos
David,
I used your link to the photo's, but the page is blank. What's up
buddy??
Casper
82355 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 11:31pm
Subject: RE: Rear Bumper
I really like my Hanson Enterprise rear bumber/tire carrier. Check 'em out.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:47 PM
To: 'Brad'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Rear Bumper
Hi Brad,
I have two Bulletproof bumpers, they have benefits and drawbacks:
Benefits:
High Quality (maybe the highest)
Lifetime guarantee (you break it, they replace it, no questions asked)
Drawbacks:
Heavy
Heavy
Heavy
Did I say Heavy?
All in all... If I had to purchase another bumper; it would be bulletproof.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad [mailto:a292@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:23 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Rear Bumper
I need to get a rear bumper/tire carrier for my TJ. I'm ready to
order one from Bulletproof but would like some input from this
group first. Is that a good choice? Any other recommendations?
Thanks
Brad
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82356 From: Darnella <Zesty1@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:33pm
Subject: Re: Advice on buying a used Grand Cherokee
Always pull the carfax.
D~
----- Original Message -----
From: "cj5gpinn" <mike@k...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Advice on buying a used Grand Cherokee
> Hi All,
>
> Well unfortunately the wife was involved in a car accident, not her
> fault, and our Civic was totaled. So we are looking to moving up and
> get a used Grand Cherokee. I was hoping for some input. Having only
> owned CJs I am not familiar with the common problems one might look
> for when buying a used Grand Cherokee. Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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