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82129 From: jeep108 <jeep108@h...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 0:27am
Subject: rolled h2
On my way home from work today I saw a Hummer H2 that looked freshly
rolled driving down the road.It was really trashed,but it did look a
little better.Anyone know anything about this.
Ken U
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82130 From: Mike Golden <mgolden@c...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 0:30am
Subject: Re: need a good degreaser
One word of warning: Don't try this on any aluminum parts. It will
permanently stain them black.
Er... So I've heard. Never done this myself. No-siree!
:-)
Mike
intertwingled wrote:
> Don't know if this is helpful, but one time I saw a guy applying
> Easy-Off to a greasy V-8 engine that was sitting in the back
> of his truck. He said it works great. I dunno, I thought that
> Easy-Off was just sodium hydroxide (lye) in sprayable form.
> I only thought lye works on animal grease, not petroleum grease.
> But... it's worth a try.
>
> Tony
>
> mini_dv1 wrote:
>
>
>>looking for a good degreaser agent.
>>got one of those simple cheap power washer (not really a power
>>washer) that hooks up to your compressor from sears.
>>want a good degreaser agent so i can degrease my engine and such.
>>i am using oil free and not very pleased with the results.
>>
>>any help would be great thank you.
>>
>>
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82131 From: Scott Legge <slegge1@c...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 6:40am
Subject: Re: need a good degreaser
It does. I applied it to my dad's aluminum bellhousing. I think it oxidizes
the alum only skin deep though it will rub off with your finger but a brush
and some elbow grease and the black will dim with time it goes away;). I
imagine if you leave it on for an eternity it would make it darker than his
turned out :? Be super careful with this stuff though it is truly nasty and
not safe for anything organic.
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Golden" <mgolden@c...>
To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] need a good degreaser
> One word of warning: Don't try this on any aluminum parts. It will
> permanently stain them black.
>
> Er... So I've heard. Never done this myself. No-siree!
>
> :-)
>
> Mike
>
> intertwingled wrote:
> > Don't know if this is helpful, but one time I saw a guy applying
> > Easy-Off to a greasy V-8 engine that was sitting in the back
> > of his truck. He said it works great. I dunno, I thought that
> > Easy-Off was just sodium hydroxide (lye) in sprayable form.
> > I only thought lye works on animal grease, not petroleum grease.
> > But... it's worth a try.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > mini_dv1 wrote:
> >
> >
> >>looking for a good degreaser agent.
> >>got one of those simple cheap power washer (not really a power
> >>washer) that hooks up to your compressor from sears.
> >>want a good degreaser agent so i can degrease my engine and such.
> >>i am using oil free and not very pleased with the results.
> >>
> >>any help would be great thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
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82132 From: Duffy Ladd <dladd5@c...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:00am
Subject: Re: New shop girl pics. Mini Skirt!!!!!!
You're all welcome!!!!!!!!
Duffy
----- Original Message -----
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona
To: az_vjc
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] New shop girl pics. Mini Skirt!!!!!!
Honestly? That is absolutely the scariest thing I have ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Duffy...
----- Original Message -----
From: Duffy Ladd
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 6:37 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] New shop girl pics. Mini Skirt!!!!!!
Well. it finally happened! We have a new shop girl to sweep. It's not!! by our choice I might had!!!!!!
The former shop girl is still on
available if needed but Sharky
decided to show his true self today! What do you think. Lets all be honest here! Very Honest!!!!
That was a ladies wrap around shirt. It's suppose to wrap around twice but BARELY made it around Sharky. He was sorry he said that next time he will bring his 3" heels!!
Duffy
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82133 From: Duffy Ladd <dladd5@c...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:08am
Subject: Rio call Duffy
Rio call Duffy! You left your skirt here. Just kidding! I meant your purse?? No really call me need to talk to you.
Duffy
82134 From: barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:15am
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone tried to get 37" BFG Krawler T/A yet?
Actually the 40" mtr's are available, if you need a set call me at 602.273.7195
Ask for Barry
Mitch Woodward wrote:
I think Rick Beer can get the 40's now, but at $475 each. We discussed them
the last time I saw him (in Febuary).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Gasmena"
To: "highjeeps" ;
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone tried to get 37" BFG Krawler T/A yet?
> That price I believe is for the upcoming of the 40" MTR's that have been
> seen in competition up to this date, but will not _technically_ be
available
> to the public till later this year I believe. Unless you can pull some
> strings!
>
> Nick Gasmena
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: highjeeps [mailto:highupjeep@qwest.net]
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 06:00 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone tried to get 37" BFG Krawler T/A yet?
>
> I got an email from Kristi and said that someone had given her wrong
> information.
> Out of curiosity, what did the guys in CA pay for their tires
> (assuming they are the 37s?
> Larry
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" wrote:
> > That's interesting because some of us have wheeled with a guy from
> > California that is running them on his daily driver TJ.
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Greene [mailto:highupjeep@q...]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 3:20 AM
> > To: kristiluv33@m...
> > Cc: AzVJC Website
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone tried to get 37" BFG Krawler T/A yet?
> >
> >
> > I have not heard that before. Where did you find that out?
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > Kristi wrote:
> >
> > > I found out the other day that they are not street legal and are
> only
> > > speed-rated to 35MPH - THAT'S NO GOOD!!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: highjeeps [mailto:highupjeep@q...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 12:43 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone tried to get 37" BFG Krawler T/A yet?
> > >
> > > I just stopped by Discount Tire to see if they had these yet and
> their
> > > list price is $475.00 (thereabouts) per tire! (although they said
> they
> > > would match any price including internet). It looks like they are
> > > going the way of the GY MTRs ... will have to wait a year to get
> down
> > > to $250 or so. Anyone else get a price yet?
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
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82135 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:26am
Subject: Re: Tech Question 96 ZJ, V8
Mike & all,
Problem was, when the ZJ was first started (cold) it would not idle/run.
Here is what I did:
1. Had the dealer perform their fuel system service: $250.00
2. I replaced the Spark plugs (Champion) $12.00
3. I replaced the Cap and Rotor (both bad) $16.00
4. I replaced the Idle Air Control Valve (IAC) $38.00
#1 helped, but it still idled poorly when the engine was cold.
#2 again helped, but still had the idle problem - but engine didn't die.
#3 and #4 were were done at the same time, so I don't know for sure which one actually fixed the problem, but the IAC Valve was very dirty with years of carbon built up on it, so I'm guessing that was the problem. I should add that the computer did NOT show any error codes for the IAC Valve, and again I am guessing that it was still working, but not correctly because it was sooooo dirty.
I will be going back to discuss this with the dealer. Will let you all know what I find out.
Thanks to all that responded. The AZVJC comes through again!
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
CowBoy7575@aol.com wrote:
I have the same problem with my 96 with a 5.2 and my 98 5.9......drives me nuts and the stealership doesnt know wny
Mike
82136 From: Scott Tate <scott@f...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:22am
Subject: RE: Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
All, the XJ is a 93. I tried the suggested fan clutch trick. How can I be sure that the 93's had a fan clutch? Or did all XJ's have a clutch. You guys were all correct. When the car is very hot, I can spin the fan with no resistance at all. From what I hear, this means bad fan clutch right? If I heard everyone correctly, it should be impossible to spin when the car is hot but easy when the car is cold. So, just out of curiousity, how much to fan clutch's cost? It doesn't look like it's going to be that hard to get to. It looks pretty straight forward. Is the clutch a dealership item or a parts shop (or junkyard) item? Thanks in advance everyone.
Later.
Scott Tate
FYI, the buddy's XJ is a 93 2wd ( :( ). I think it's a 4.0. Has 150K miles on it now.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 2:12 PM
To: Scott Tate
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
If it works off temp, then when cool, the fan would turn very slowly.....as the coil in the fan clutch gets hotter, it locks the fan in more and more until it is completely locked and turns as fast as the engine.
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tate
To: 'Mike & Karen Acuna'
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Uhh, not sure how the crank fan works on the 93 XJ. Don't know if it's temp controlled or not. What purpose does the clutch serve? Does it slow the fan at higher speeds? I'll try and turn it hot. Not sure what else to do besides that though! Thanks.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 1:01 PM
To: Scott Tate
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
It is possible for a t-stat to be put in backwards, but you'd run hot all the time. It sounds like your fan clutch is the culprit. Does it operate off of temperature? Mine does on my 98 ZJ. With the vehicle hot, turn off the engine, the fan should be hard if not impossible to turn if the fan clutch is working.
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tate
To: 'Mike & Karen Acuna'
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Mike.
No, it cools down on the road. Both fans are working properly. The aux fan comes on when the ac is turned on as it should. It also comes on at about 215 degrees as it should. My last resort is to check the fan clutch. This may sound stupid, but can a radiator (and thermostat) be installed incorrectly? Can a thermostat be put in upside down or something? I wonder if it was a bad thermostat from the start. It is strange though. We don't really know what to try next except take it back to Hawkes on Monday. Odd huh.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:44 PM
To: Scott Tate
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Does it overheat if your moving down the road? I would also suspect a cooling fan issue if it gets hot idling and not when driving.
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tate
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 10:36 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Anyone have an opinion on this? My buddy's radiator was getting a little old and cruddy. Well, the car would overheat every now and then. We assumed that the thermo was sticking. Well, he took the think to Hawkes Radiator and they put a new radiator and thermo in there. Now it overheats! If you sit there and idle the temp keep climbing. Anyone reason why this would be? The temp stayed pretty steady at 210 before, why would it get worse with the new radiator?
Thanks in advance.
Scott
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82137 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:27am
Subject: RE: Fr24 rollover
My Guess would be that it had just happened and the driver is off
seeking medical help or help to upright it. I would think that if it is
there for a few more days it will be missing quite a few parts. This
looks like it was over off of FR42. If the forest service gets involved
someone may get a fine for littering or illegal dumping. And if they
remove it that will be one hell of a tow bill.
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Sudeith [mailto:jeepinaz@c...]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 9:33 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Fr24 rollover
They were talking about it seeming like it had just happened.
And what it would take to get it out.
It's near the bottom of the edge of the earth on the bypass.
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82138 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:33am
Subject: RE: Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Scott,
Let me see if I got this straight. Your buddy took the Jeep to Hawks radiator for an overheating problem. They sold you a new radiator and thermostat and installed it. You still have the same problem? I would have taken it back and said that that was not the problem. I might even go so far as asking for my old radiator back because they misdiagnosed the problem.
You are correct about the characteristics of the fan clutch. Hot = hard to move. Soft = spins easily.
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Tate [mailto:scott@forion.com]
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 7:23 AM
To: 'Mike & Karen Acuna'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: pphillips@naturalpartners.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
All, the XJ is a 93. I tried the suggested fan clutch trick. How can I be sure that the 93's had a fan clutch? Or did all XJ's have a clutch. You guys were all correct. When the car is very hot, I can spin the fan with no resistance at all. From what I hear, this means bad fan clutch right? If I heard everyone correctly, it should be impossible to spin when the car is hot but easy when the car is cold. So, just out of curiousity, how much to fan clutch's cost? It doesn't look like it's going to be that hard to get to. It looks pretty straight forward. Is the clutch a dealership item or a parts shop (or junkyard) item? Thanks in advance everyone.
Later.
Scott Tate
FYI, the buddy's XJ is a 93 2wd ( :( ). I think it's a 4.0. Has 150K miles on it now.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 2:12 PM
To: Scott Tate
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
If it works off temp, then when cool, the fan would turn very slowly.....as the coil in the fan clutch gets hotter, it locks the fan in more and more until it is completely locked and turns as fast as the engine.
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tate
To: 'Mike & Karen Acuna'
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Uhh, not sure how the crank fan works on the 93 XJ. Don't know if it's temp controlled or not. What purpose does the clutch serve? Does it slow the fan at higher speeds? I'll try and turn it hot. Not sure what else to do besides that though! Thanks.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 1:01 PM
To: Scott Tate
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
It is possible for a t-stat to be put in backwards, but you'd run hot all the time. It sounds like your fan clutch is the culprit. Does it operate off of temperature? Mine does on my 98 ZJ. With the vehicle hot, turn off the engine, the fan should be hard if not impossible to turn if the fan clutch is working.
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tate
To: 'Mike & Karen Acuna'
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Mike.
No, it cools down on the road. Both fans are working properly. The aux fan comes on when the ac is turned on as it should. It also comes on at about 215 degrees as it should. My last resort is to check the fan clutch. This may sound stupid, but can a radiator (and thermostat) be installed incorrectly? Can a thermostat be put in upside down or something? I wonder if it was a bad thermostat from the start. It is strange though. We don't really know what to try next except take it back to Hawkes on Monday. Odd huh.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:44 PM
To: Scott Tate
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Does it overheat if your moving down the road? I would also suspect a cooling fan issue if it gets hot idling and not when driving.
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tate
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 10:36 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Anyone have an opinion on this? My buddy's radiator was getting a little old and cruddy. Well, the car would overheat every now and then. We assumed that the thermo was sticking. Well, he took the think to Hawkes Radiator and they put a new radiator and thermo in there. Now it overheats! If you sit there and idle the temp keep climbing. Anyone reason why this would be? The temp stayed pretty steady at 210 before, why would it get worse with the new radiator?
Thanks in advance.
Scott
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82139 From: Jon and julie <scooby_moose@y...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 8:21am
Subject: Re: need a good degreaser
Try simple green. just spray it on the engine, then start it and run
it to heat it up, then rinse. It works good for me.
Jon
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "mini_dv1" <mini_dv1@y...> wrote:
> looking for a good degreaser agent.
> got one of those simple cheap power washer (not really a power
> washer) that hooks up to your compressor from sears.
> want a good degreaser agent so i can degrease my engine and such.
> i am using oil free and not very pleased with the results.
>
> any help would be great thank you.
82140 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:33am
Subject: [OT] Emergency... Plumber needed!!
Is there a plumber in the house?? My hot water heater sprung a leak,
and is under warrenty, but the company that makes it said I need a
liscensed plumber to pick up the new one from the distributor in
Tempe and install it for me. If there is a plumber in the group that
I can give my business to, I'd rather hook up someone here before I
go out and call the first name in the phone book! You can call me at
(480) 539-0608 or e-mail me at wingnutskates@c... -Rob
If anyone has refrences for a plumber also that would greatly be
appreciated! It was quite an experience showering this morning!! brrr
82141 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:50am
Subject: Re: Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
Stu, you reminded me of an example of how suggestions made during
the first meeting somehow got omitted from the documentation provided
at the second meeting. During the first meeting at the Phoenix location,
we had submitted a request to preserve access to the trails in the
southwest part of the White Tanks. That suggestion did not show up
in the documentation provided at the second meeting. Fortunately, my
memory was working that night so I detected the omission and I asked
them to add it back in. This is just one example of why it's is important for
everyone who attended the first meeting to follow through and attend the
second meeting.
-Roger
Stu Olson wrote:
> OK Jim....thanks for the update.
>
> With the greens now coming to the meetings, it is even more important
> than ever that we have a good showing of OHV folks at these meetings.
>
> Another way to look at it....less than a year ago, that golf course was
> NOT on the south side of I-10 near Watson Road. If you don't get
> serious about our land use issues, we won't be doing our 4WD clinic next
> year because there will be houses where we were wheelin' today. Based
> on today's turn out, I am think none of us want to lose the White Tanks
> 4 wheelin' area.
>
> I hope everyone can find just a few hours and attend one of the upcoming
> week. It is really important that you do. Details are on the web site.
>
> Thanks one and all!
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 5:32 PM
> To: Stu Olson; 'Roger Tomas'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
>
> Stu just to let you know that Rick, Randy and myself were at the
> Deer
> Valley Meeting we will not be going to the Prescott meeting. Warning it
> seems that this process has now got the Greenies attending we need to
> show
> numbers at these meetings. Jim F.
82142 From: jcarlton21 <web_pgrmr@h...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:55am
Subject: 94 YJ 2.5L - A/C Suggestions
Anyone install an aftermarket A/C unit on their YJ?
I have a hard top and full doors, so it is sealed a little better
than most jeeps. Any suggestions or other information?
Thanks a lot.
82143 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:38am
Subject: Re: rolled h2
heh heh.. that means someone actually used it!!! er.... TRIED to
use it! LOL Hey... at least he can prove he took it "off road" heh
heh -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "jeep108" <jeep108@h...> wrote:
> On my way home from work today I saw a Hummer H2 that looked
freshly
> rolled driving down the road.It was really trashed,but it did look
a
> little better.Anyone know anything about this.
>
> Ken U
82144 From: Mike Foster <mesa@v...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:56am
Subject: Re: [OT] Emergency... Plumber needed!!
Where is it leaking at? Water connections,Relief valve
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
wrote:
> Is there a plumber in the house?? My hot water heater sprung a
leak,
> and is under warrenty, but the company that makes it said I need a
> liscensed plumber to pick up the new one from the distributor in
> Tempe and install it for me. If there is a plumber in the group
that
> I can give my business to, I'd rather hook up someone here before I
> go out and call the first name in the phone book! You can call me
at
> (480) 539-0608 or e-mail me at wingnutskates@c... -Rob
>
> If anyone has refrences for a plumber also that would greatly be
> appreciated! It was quite an experience showering this morning!!
brrr
82145 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:56am
Subject: Anti-wrap bar done
Well I finally finished it this weekend. Some good pain pills and
anti-flamitories got me through it with my broken ribs. I ended up doing a
full ladder type. I had to do the ladder verses the single bar mainly
because my leafs are on top the axel and the only way to triangulate about
the axel center line was to put a bar below the axel and I fingered if I
have to have one below the axel then putting one above the axel to help take
up the torque was no big deal. It works great! You should hear these
swampers bark when I pop the clutch on the street! Hehehe. You can also see
it did not effect my articulation at all. The picture of me on the ramp is
at full street pressure and I am still well over 1000 RTI.
<<Ladder Bar.jpg>> <<On ramp.jpg>>
Regards
Randy Siade
Engineering Manager
Unisys Unigen Operations
6161 W. Erie Street
Chandler, AZ 85226
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82146 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:58am
Subject: RE: Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
Roger....good catch on your part! Yes, I agree, that it is very
important to follow through with the meeting so, as you said, you can
verify that these important items have been properly captured and will
be considered in the new plan.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Stu Olson
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
Stu, you reminded me of an example of how suggestions made during
the first meeting somehow got omitted from the documentation provided
at the second meeting. During the first meeting at the Phoenix
location,
we had submitted a request to preserve access to the trails in the
southwest part of the White Tanks. That suggestion did not show up
in the documentation provided at the second meeting. Fortunately, my
memory was working that night so I detected the omission and I asked
them to add it back in. This is just one example of why it's is
important for
everyone who attended the first meeting to follow through and attend the
second meeting.
-Roger
Stu Olson wrote:
> OK Jim....thanks for the update.
>
> With the greens now coming to the meetings, it is even more important
> than ever that we have a good showing of OHV folks at these meetings.
>
> Another way to look at it....less than a year ago, that golf course
was
> NOT on the south side of I-10 near Watson Road. If you don't get
> serious about our land use issues, we won't be doing our 4WD clinic
next
> year because there will be houses where we were wheelin' today. Based
> on today's turn out, I am think none of us want to lose the White
Tanks
> 4 wheelin' area.
>
> I hope everyone can find just a few hours and attend one of the
upcoming
> week. It is really important that you do. Details are on the web
site.
>
> Thanks one and all!
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 5:32 PM
> To: Stu Olson; 'Roger Tomas'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
>
> Stu just to let you know that Rick, Randy and myself were at
the
> Deer
> Valley Meeting we will not be going to the Prescott meeting. Warning
it
> seems that this process has now got the Greenies attending we need to
> show
> numbers at these meetings. Jim F.
82147 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 6:00am
Subject: Re: Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
DONT get a junk yard clutch........AUTO Zone for probably around $40, get a new one
Mike
82148 From: Bob Bergau <sonorancj@q...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 10:09am
Subject: Re: [Tech] 85 CJ7 - Engine
I had the same problem and when I pulled the pistons out two of them
had broken piston rings. Other than blow-by and oil in the air filter
everything ran very well, it didn't smoke at all. I'm sorry I don't
know any mechanics in town. Good luck.
Bob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
>
82149 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 10:15am
Subject: RE: Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
Ah Ha !!!........ you guys are actually "listening" GOOD JOB!!!! Yes,
Roger, you are absolutely right. I caught this omission at the Wickenburg
meeting also. I was told to add it into another alternative.............
what I did was constructed an alternative with ALL our plans in it and
submitted it as an "alternative plan"........ including White Tanks,
although they have not done an official route inventory of this
area............. probably won't at this time with having the OHV funds
taken. However, our GPS identification should still be noted on the
planning data.
Sorry I didn't make it to the Phoenix meeting.......... had plans to but I
guess everything finally caught up to me because I was simply exhausted that
evening. I could NOT make myself drive to north Phoenix and then home again
late..........
We MUST ALL submit our "desired" plans to Phoenix FO......... whether we
were in attendance at any of the meetings or not.
DON'T STOP THE COMMUNICATIONS NOW.........................
I'm out of here for some relaxation................ National RCAA Rock
Crawl in Reno. Back next Monday..... late.
Take care, Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:59 AM
> To: 'Roger Tomas'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
>
>
> Roger....good catch on your part! Yes, I agree, that it is very
> important to follow through with the meeting so, as you said, you can
> verify that these important items have been properly captured and will
> be considered in the new plan.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:50 AM
> To: Stu Olson
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
>
> Stu, you reminded me of an example of how suggestions made during
> the first meeting somehow got omitted from the documentation provided
> at the second meeting. During the first meeting at the Phoenix
> location,
> we had submitted a request to preserve access to the trails in the
> southwest part of the White Tanks. That suggestion did not show up
> in the documentation provided at the second meeting. Fortunately, my
> memory was working that night so I detected the omission and I asked
> them to add it back in. This is just one example of why it's is
> important for
> everyone who attended the first meeting to follow through and attend the
> second meeting.
>
> -Roger
>
> Stu Olson wrote:
>
> > OK Jim....thanks for the update.
> >
> > With the greens now coming to the meetings, it is even more important
> > than ever that we have a good showing of OHV folks at these meetings.
> >
> > Another way to look at it....less than a year ago, that golf course
> was
> > NOT on the south side of I-10 near Watson Road. If you don't get
> > serious about our land use issues, we won't be doing our 4WD clinic
> next
> > year because there will be houses where we were wheelin' today. Based
> > on today's turn out, I am think none of us want to lose the White
> Tanks
> > 4 wheelin' area.
> >
> > I hope everyone can find just a few hours and attend one of the
> upcoming
> > week. It is really important that you do. Details are on the web
> site.
> >
> > Thanks one and all!
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 5:32 PM
> > To: Stu Olson; 'Roger Tomas'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
> >
> > Stu just to let you know that Rick, Randy and myself were at
> the
> > Deer
> > Valley Meeting we will not be going to the Prescott meeting. Warning
> it
> > seems that this process has now got the Greenies attending we need to
> > show
> > numbers at these meetings. Jim F.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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82150 From: driveshaft37 <aarondickinson@h...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 10:20am
Subject: Good local source for a TJ radiator?
Mine is starting to ooze and I need to replace it. Where is everyone
going for these? I want an all metal replacement, but not sure on
aluminum or brass.
Thanks,
Aaron
82151 From: jeep108 <jeep108@h...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 10:37am
Subject: Re: Good local source for a TJ radiator?
Radiator.com or Hawkes radiator in mesa.I think if you get it from
radiator.com it might come from hawkes anyway.
Ken U
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "driveshaft37" <aarondickinson@h...> wrote:
> Mine is starting to ooze and I need to replace it. Where is everyone
> going for these? I want an all metal replacement, but not sure on
> aluminum or brass.
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron
82152 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 0:04pm
Subject: Re: 94 YJ 2.5L - A/C Suggestions
Roll down your windows, install some truck fans (available
at NAPA), spray bottle of rubbing alcohol, ice cold drink
in a small rubbermaid thermos inbetween the seats... lemme
see, oh yes, for when you are stopped at a traffic light
or in a traffic jam on I-10, install misters.
Real Jeeps Don't Have Air Conditioners! =)
Tony
jcarlton21 wrote:
> Anyone install an aftermarket A/C unit on their YJ?
>
> I have a hard top and full doors, so it is sealed a little better
> than most jeeps. Any suggestions or other information?
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
>
>
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82153 From: leonardg5185 <leonardg@i...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 0:04pm
Subject: Acceleration question: 2WD vs 4WD
I know you are not supposed to use part time 4WD on dry pavement,
but...
All other things being equal, if I floor the gas pedal, from a dead
stop, on dry pavement, would I get the same acceleration if the Jeep
was in 4WD-high or in 2WD? Acceleration, not torque or HP, etc
(Am looking for the effect of variable amount of traction on a set
amount of torque.)
82129 From: jeep108 <jeep108@h...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 0:27am
Subject: rolled h2
On my way home from work today I saw a Hummer H2 that looked freshly
rolled driving down the road.It was really trashed,but it did look a
little better.Anyone know anything about this.
Ken U
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82130 From: Mike Golden <mgolden@c...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 0:30am
Subject: Re: need a good degreaser
One word of warning: Don't try this on any aluminum parts. It will
permanently stain them black.
Er... So I've heard. Never done this myself. No-siree!
:-)
Mike
intertwingled wrote:
> Don't know if this is helpful, but one time I saw a guy applying
> Easy-Off to a greasy V-8 engine that was sitting in the back
> of his truck. He said it works great. I dunno, I thought that
> Easy-Off was just sodium hydroxide (lye) in sprayable form.
> I only thought lye works on animal grease, not petroleum grease.
> But... it's worth a try.
>
> Tony
>
> mini_dv1 wrote:
>
>
>>looking for a good degreaser agent.
>>got one of those simple cheap power washer (not really a power
>>washer) that hooks up to your compressor from sears.
>>want a good degreaser agent so i can degrease my engine and such.
>>i am using oil free and not very pleased with the results.
>>
>>any help would be great thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
> --
> Even the safest course is fraught with peril.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
82131 From: Scott Legge <slegge1@c...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 6:40am
Subject: Re: need a good degreaser
It does. I applied it to my dad's aluminum bellhousing. I think it oxidizes
the alum only skin deep though it will rub off with your finger but a brush
and some elbow grease and the black will dim with time it goes away;). I
imagine if you leave it on for an eternity it would make it darker than his
turned out :? Be super careful with this stuff though it is truly nasty and
not safe for anything organic.
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Golden" <mgolden@c...>
To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] need a good degreaser
> One word of warning: Don't try this on any aluminum parts. It will
> permanently stain them black.
>
> Er... So I've heard. Never done this myself. No-siree!
>
> :-)
>
> Mike
>
> intertwingled wrote:
> > Don't know if this is helpful, but one time I saw a guy applying
> > Easy-Off to a greasy V-8 engine that was sitting in the back
> > of his truck. He said it works great. I dunno, I thought that
> > Easy-Off was just sodium hydroxide (lye) in sprayable form.
> > I only thought lye works on animal grease, not petroleum grease.
> > But... it's worth a try.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > mini_dv1 wrote:
> >
> >
> >>looking for a good degreaser agent.
> >>got one of those simple cheap power washer (not really a power
> >>washer) that hooks up to your compressor from sears.
> >>want a good degreaser agent so i can degrease my engine and such.
> >>i am using oil free and not very pleased with the results.
> >>
> >>any help would be great thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> > --
> > Even the safest course is fraught with peril.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
82132 From: Duffy Ladd <dladd5@c...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:00am
Subject: Re: New shop girl pics. Mini Skirt!!!!!!
You're all welcome!!!!!!!!
Duffy
----- Original Message -----
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona
To: az_vjc
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] New shop girl pics. Mini Skirt!!!!!!
Honestly? That is absolutely the scariest thing I have ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Duffy...
----- Original Message -----
From: Duffy Ladd
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 6:37 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] New shop girl pics. Mini Skirt!!!!!!
Well. it finally happened! We have a new shop girl to sweep. It's not!! by our choice I might had!!!!!!
The former shop girl is still on
available if needed but Sharky
decided to show his true self today! What do you think. Lets all be honest here! Very Honest!!!!
That was a ladies wrap around shirt. It's suppose to wrap around twice but BARELY made it around Sharky. He was sorry he said that next time he will bring his 3" heels!!
Duffy
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82133 From: Duffy Ladd <dladd5@c...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:08am
Subject: Rio call Duffy
Rio call Duffy! You left your skirt here. Just kidding! I meant your purse?? No really call me need to talk to you.
Duffy
82134 From: barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:15am
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone tried to get 37" BFG Krawler T/A yet?
Actually the 40" mtr's are available, if you need a set call me at 602.273.7195
Ask for Barry
Mitch Woodward wrote:
I think Rick Beer can get the 40's now, but at $475 each. We discussed them
the last time I saw him (in Febuary).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Gasmena"
To: "highjeeps" ;
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone tried to get 37" BFG Krawler T/A yet?
> That price I believe is for the upcoming of the 40" MTR's that have been
> seen in competition up to this date, but will not _technically_ be
available
> to the public till later this year I believe. Unless you can pull some
> strings!
>
> Nick Gasmena
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: highjeeps [mailto:highupjeep@qwest.net]
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 06:00 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone tried to get 37" BFG Krawler T/A yet?
>
> I got an email from Kristi and said that someone had given her wrong
> information.
> Out of curiosity, what did the guys in CA pay for their tires
> (assuming they are the 37s?
> Larry
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" wrote:
> > That's interesting because some of us have wheeled with a guy from
> > California that is running them on his daily driver TJ.
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Greene [mailto:highupjeep@q...]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 3:20 AM
> > To: kristiluv33@m...
> > Cc: AzVJC Website
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone tried to get 37" BFG Krawler T/A yet?
> >
> >
> > I have not heard that before. Where did you find that out?
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > Kristi wrote:
> >
> > > I found out the other day that they are not street legal and are
> only
> > > speed-rated to 35MPH - THAT'S NO GOOD!!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: highjeeps [mailto:highupjeep@q...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 12:43 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone tried to get 37" BFG Krawler T/A yet?
> > >
> > > I just stopped by Discount Tire to see if they had these yet and
> their
> > > list price is $475.00 (thereabouts) per tire! (although they said
> they
> > > would match any price including internet). It looks like they are
> > > going the way of the GY MTRs ... will have to wait a year to get
> down
> > > to $250 or so. Anyone else get a price yet?
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > >
> > >
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82135 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:26am
Subject: Re: Tech Question 96 ZJ, V8
Mike & all,
Problem was, when the ZJ was first started (cold) it would not idle/run.
Here is what I did:
1. Had the dealer perform their fuel system service: $250.00
2. I replaced the Spark plugs (Champion) $12.00
3. I replaced the Cap and Rotor (both bad) $16.00
4. I replaced the Idle Air Control Valve (IAC) $38.00
#1 helped, but it still idled poorly when the engine was cold.
#2 again helped, but still had the idle problem - but engine didn't die.
#3 and #4 were were done at the same time, so I don't know for sure which one actually fixed the problem, but the IAC Valve was very dirty with years of carbon built up on it, so I'm guessing that was the problem. I should add that the computer did NOT show any error codes for the IAC Valve, and again I am guessing that it was still working, but not correctly because it was sooooo dirty.
I will be going back to discuss this with the dealer. Will let you all know what I find out.
Thanks to all that responded. The AZVJC comes through again!
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
CowBoy7575@aol.com wrote:
I have the same problem with my 96 with a 5.2 and my 98 5.9......drives me nuts and the stealership doesnt know wny
Mike
82136 From: Scott Tate <scott@f...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:22am
Subject: RE: Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
All, the XJ is a 93. I tried the suggested fan clutch trick. How can I be sure that the 93's had a fan clutch? Or did all XJ's have a clutch. You guys were all correct. When the car is very hot, I can spin the fan with no resistance at all. From what I hear, this means bad fan clutch right? If I heard everyone correctly, it should be impossible to spin when the car is hot but easy when the car is cold. So, just out of curiousity, how much to fan clutch's cost? It doesn't look like it's going to be that hard to get to. It looks pretty straight forward. Is the clutch a dealership item or a parts shop (or junkyard) item? Thanks in advance everyone.
Later.
Scott Tate
FYI, the buddy's XJ is a 93 2wd ( :( ). I think it's a 4.0. Has 150K miles on it now.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 2:12 PM
To: Scott Tate
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
If it works off temp, then when cool, the fan would turn very slowly.....as the coil in the fan clutch gets hotter, it locks the fan in more and more until it is completely locked and turns as fast as the engine.
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tate
To: 'Mike & Karen Acuna'
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Uhh, not sure how the crank fan works on the 93 XJ. Don't know if it's temp controlled or not. What purpose does the clutch serve? Does it slow the fan at higher speeds? I'll try and turn it hot. Not sure what else to do besides that though! Thanks.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 1:01 PM
To: Scott Tate
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
It is possible for a t-stat to be put in backwards, but you'd run hot all the time. It sounds like your fan clutch is the culprit. Does it operate off of temperature? Mine does on my 98 ZJ. With the vehicle hot, turn off the engine, the fan should be hard if not impossible to turn if the fan clutch is working.
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tate
To: 'Mike & Karen Acuna'
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Mike.
No, it cools down on the road. Both fans are working properly. The aux fan comes on when the ac is turned on as it should. It also comes on at about 215 degrees as it should. My last resort is to check the fan clutch. This may sound stupid, but can a radiator (and thermostat) be installed incorrectly? Can a thermostat be put in upside down or something? I wonder if it was a bad thermostat from the start. It is strange though. We don't really know what to try next except take it back to Hawkes on Monday. Odd huh.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:44 PM
To: Scott Tate
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Does it overheat if your moving down the road? I would also suspect a cooling fan issue if it gets hot idling and not when driving.
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tate
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 10:36 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Anyone have an opinion on this? My buddy's radiator was getting a little old and cruddy. Well, the car would overheat every now and then. We assumed that the thermo was sticking. Well, he took the think to Hawkes Radiator and they put a new radiator and thermo in there. Now it overheats! If you sit there and idle the temp keep climbing. Anyone reason why this would be? The temp stayed pretty steady at 210 before, why would it get worse with the new radiator?
Thanks in advance.
Scott
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82137 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:27am
Subject: RE: Fr24 rollover
My Guess would be that it had just happened and the driver is off
seeking medical help or help to upright it. I would think that if it is
there for a few more days it will be missing quite a few parts. This
looks like it was over off of FR42. If the forest service gets involved
someone may get a fine for littering or illegal dumping. And if they
remove it that will be one hell of a tow bill.
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Sudeith [mailto:jeepinaz@c...]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 9:33 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Fr24 rollover
They were talking about it seeming like it had just happened.
And what it would take to get it out.
It's near the bottom of the edge of the earth on the bypass.
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82138 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:33am
Subject: RE: Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Scott,
Let me see if I got this straight. Your buddy took the Jeep to Hawks radiator for an overheating problem. They sold you a new radiator and thermostat and installed it. You still have the same problem? I would have taken it back and said that that was not the problem. I might even go so far as asking for my old radiator back because they misdiagnosed the problem.
You are correct about the characteristics of the fan clutch. Hot = hard to move. Soft = spins easily.
Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Tate [mailto:scott@forion.com]
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 7:23 AM
To: 'Mike & Karen Acuna'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: pphillips@naturalpartners.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
All, the XJ is a 93. I tried the suggested fan clutch trick. How can I be sure that the 93's had a fan clutch? Or did all XJ's have a clutch. You guys were all correct. When the car is very hot, I can spin the fan with no resistance at all. From what I hear, this means bad fan clutch right? If I heard everyone correctly, it should be impossible to spin when the car is hot but easy when the car is cold. So, just out of curiousity, how much to fan clutch's cost? It doesn't look like it's going to be that hard to get to. It looks pretty straight forward. Is the clutch a dealership item or a parts shop (or junkyard) item? Thanks in advance everyone.
Later.
Scott Tate
FYI, the buddy's XJ is a 93 2wd ( :( ). I think it's a 4.0. Has 150K miles on it now.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 2:12 PM
To: Scott Tate
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
If it works off temp, then when cool, the fan would turn very slowly.....as the coil in the fan clutch gets hotter, it locks the fan in more and more until it is completely locked and turns as fast as the engine.
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tate
To: 'Mike & Karen Acuna'
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Uhh, not sure how the crank fan works on the 93 XJ. Don't know if it's temp controlled or not. What purpose does the clutch serve? Does it slow the fan at higher speeds? I'll try and turn it hot. Not sure what else to do besides that though! Thanks.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 1:01 PM
To: Scott Tate
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
It is possible for a t-stat to be put in backwards, but you'd run hot all the time. It sounds like your fan clutch is the culprit. Does it operate off of temperature? Mine does on my 98 ZJ. With the vehicle hot, turn off the engine, the fan should be hard if not impossible to turn if the fan clutch is working.
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tate
To: 'Mike & Karen Acuna'
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Mike.
No, it cools down on the road. Both fans are working properly. The aux fan comes on when the ac is turned on as it should. It also comes on at about 215 degrees as it should. My last resort is to check the fan clutch. This may sound stupid, but can a radiator (and thermostat) be installed incorrectly? Can a thermostat be put in upside down or something? I wonder if it was a bad thermostat from the start. It is strange though. We don't really know what to try next except take it back to Hawkes on Monday. Odd huh.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Karen Acuna [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:44 PM
To: Scott Tate
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Does it overheat if your moving down the road? I would also suspect a cooling fan issue if it gets hot idling and not when driving.
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tate
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 10:36 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
Anyone have an opinion on this? My buddy's radiator was getting a little old and cruddy. Well, the car would overheat every now and then. We assumed that the thermo was sticking. Well, he took the think to Hawkes Radiator and they put a new radiator and thermo in there. Now it overheats! If you sit there and idle the temp keep climbing. Anyone reason why this would be? The temp stayed pretty steady at 210 before, why would it get worse with the new radiator?
Thanks in advance.
Scott
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82139 From: Jon and julie <scooby_moose@y...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 8:21am
Subject: Re: need a good degreaser
Try simple green. just spray it on the engine, then start it and run
it to heat it up, then rinse. It works good for me.
Jon
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "mini_dv1" <mini_dv1@y...> wrote:
> looking for a good degreaser agent.
> got one of those simple cheap power washer (not really a power
> washer) that hooks up to your compressor from sears.
> want a good degreaser agent so i can degrease my engine and such.
> i am using oil free and not very pleased with the results.
>
> any help would be great thank you.
82140 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:33am
Subject: [OT] Emergency... Plumber needed!!
Is there a plumber in the house?? My hot water heater sprung a leak,
and is under warrenty, but the company that makes it said I need a
liscensed plumber to pick up the new one from the distributor in
Tempe and install it for me. If there is a plumber in the group that
I can give my business to, I'd rather hook up someone here before I
go out and call the first name in the phone book! You can call me at
(480) 539-0608 or e-mail me at wingnutskates@c... -Rob
If anyone has refrences for a plumber also that would greatly be
appreciated! It was quite an experience showering this morning!! brrr
82141 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:50am
Subject: Re: Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
Stu, you reminded me of an example of how suggestions made during
the first meeting somehow got omitted from the documentation provided
at the second meeting. During the first meeting at the Phoenix location,
we had submitted a request to preserve access to the trails in the
southwest part of the White Tanks. That suggestion did not show up
in the documentation provided at the second meeting. Fortunately, my
memory was working that night so I detected the omission and I asked
them to add it back in. This is just one example of why it's is important for
everyone who attended the first meeting to follow through and attend the
second meeting.
-Roger
Stu Olson wrote:
> OK Jim....thanks for the update.
>
> With the greens now coming to the meetings, it is even more important
> than ever that we have a good showing of OHV folks at these meetings.
>
> Another way to look at it....less than a year ago, that golf course was
> NOT on the south side of I-10 near Watson Road. If you don't get
> serious about our land use issues, we won't be doing our 4WD clinic next
> year because there will be houses where we were wheelin' today. Based
> on today's turn out, I am think none of us want to lose the White Tanks
> 4 wheelin' area.
>
> I hope everyone can find just a few hours and attend one of the upcoming
> week. It is really important that you do. Details are on the web site.
>
> Thanks one and all!
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 5:32 PM
> To: Stu Olson; 'Roger Tomas'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
>
> Stu just to let you know that Rick, Randy and myself were at the
> Deer
> Valley Meeting we will not be going to the Prescott meeting. Warning it
> seems that this process has now got the Greenies attending we need to
> show
> numbers at these meetings. Jim F.
82142 From: jcarlton21 <web_pgrmr@h...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:55am
Subject: 94 YJ 2.5L - A/C Suggestions
Anyone install an aftermarket A/C unit on their YJ?
I have a hard top and full doors, so it is sealed a little better
than most jeeps. Any suggestions or other information?
Thanks a lot.
82143 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:38am
Subject: Re: rolled h2
heh heh.. that means someone actually used it!!! er.... TRIED to
use it! LOL Hey... at least he can prove he took it "off road" heh
heh -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "jeep108" <jeep108@h...> wrote:
> On my way home from work today I saw a Hummer H2 that looked
freshly
> rolled driving down the road.It was really trashed,but it did look
a
> little better.Anyone know anything about this.
>
> Ken U
82144 From: Mike Foster <mesa@v...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:56am
Subject: Re: [OT] Emergency... Plumber needed!!
Where is it leaking at? Water connections,Relief valve
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
wrote:
> Is there a plumber in the house?? My hot water heater sprung a
leak,
> and is under warrenty, but the company that makes it said I need a
> liscensed plumber to pick up the new one from the distributor in
> Tempe and install it for me. If there is a plumber in the group
that
> I can give my business to, I'd rather hook up someone here before I
> go out and call the first name in the phone book! You can call me
at
> (480) 539-0608 or e-mail me at wingnutskates@c... -Rob
>
> If anyone has refrences for a plumber also that would greatly be
> appreciated! It was quite an experience showering this morning!!
brrr
82145 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:56am
Subject: Anti-wrap bar done
Well I finally finished it this weekend. Some good pain pills and
anti-flamitories got me through it with my broken ribs. I ended up doing a
full ladder type. I had to do the ladder verses the single bar mainly
because my leafs are on top the axel and the only way to triangulate about
the axel center line was to put a bar below the axel and I fingered if I
have to have one below the axel then putting one above the axel to help take
up the torque was no big deal. It works great! You should hear these
swampers bark when I pop the clutch on the street! Hehehe. You can also see
it did not effect my articulation at all. The picture of me on the ramp is
at full street pressure and I am still well over 1000 RTI.
<<Ladder Bar.jpg>> <<On ramp.jpg>>
Regards
Randy Siade
Engineering Manager
Unisys Unigen Operations
6161 W. Erie Street
Chandler, AZ 85226
Phone 480 783-5911
Fax 480 783-5960
Cell 602-329-0699
randy.siade@unisys.com
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82146 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:58am
Subject: RE: Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
Roger....good catch on your part! Yes, I agree, that it is very
important to follow through with the meeting so, as you said, you can
verify that these important items have been properly captured and will
be considered in the new plan.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Stu Olson
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
Stu, you reminded me of an example of how suggestions made during
the first meeting somehow got omitted from the documentation provided
at the second meeting. During the first meeting at the Phoenix
location,
we had submitted a request to preserve access to the trails in the
southwest part of the White Tanks. That suggestion did not show up
in the documentation provided at the second meeting. Fortunately, my
memory was working that night so I detected the omission and I asked
them to add it back in. This is just one example of why it's is
important for
everyone who attended the first meeting to follow through and attend the
second meeting.
-Roger
Stu Olson wrote:
> OK Jim....thanks for the update.
>
> With the greens now coming to the meetings, it is even more important
> than ever that we have a good showing of OHV folks at these meetings.
>
> Another way to look at it....less than a year ago, that golf course
was
> NOT on the south side of I-10 near Watson Road. If you don't get
> serious about our land use issues, we won't be doing our 4WD clinic
next
> year because there will be houses where we were wheelin' today. Based
> on today's turn out, I am think none of us want to lose the White
Tanks
> 4 wheelin' area.
>
> I hope everyone can find just a few hours and attend one of the
upcoming
> week. It is really important that you do. Details are on the web
site.
>
> Thanks one and all!
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 5:32 PM
> To: Stu Olson; 'Roger Tomas'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
>
> Stu just to let you know that Rick, Randy and myself were at
the
> Deer
> Valley Meeting we will not be going to the Prescott meeting. Warning
it
> seems that this process has now got the Greenies attending we need to
> show
> numbers at these meetings. Jim F.
82147 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 6:00am
Subject: Re: Cherokee overheatinga after new radiator???
DONT get a junk yard clutch........AUTO Zone for probably around $40, get a new one
Mike
82148 From: Bob Bergau <sonorancj@q...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 10:09am
Subject: Re: [Tech] 85 CJ7 - Engine
I had the same problem and when I pulled the pistons out two of them
had broken piston rings. Other than blow-by and oil in the air filter
everything ran very well, it didn't smoke at all. I'm sorry I don't
know any mechanics in town. Good luck.
Bob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
>
82149 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 10:15am
Subject: RE: Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
Ah Ha !!!........ you guys are actually "listening" GOOD JOB!!!! Yes,
Roger, you are absolutely right. I caught this omission at the Wickenburg
meeting also. I was told to add it into another alternative.............
what I did was constructed an alternative with ALL our plans in it and
submitted it as an "alternative plan"........ including White Tanks,
although they have not done an official route inventory of this
area............. probably won't at this time with having the OHV funds
taken. However, our GPS identification should still be noted on the
planning data.
Sorry I didn't make it to the Phoenix meeting.......... had plans to but I
guess everything finally caught up to me because I was simply exhausted that
evening. I could NOT make myself drive to north Phoenix and then home again
late..........
We MUST ALL submit our "desired" plans to Phoenix FO......... whether we
were in attendance at any of the meetings or not.
DON'T STOP THE COMMUNICATIONS NOW.........................
I'm out of here for some relaxation................ National RCAA Rock
Crawl in Reno. Back next Monday..... late.
Take care, Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:59 AM
> To: 'Roger Tomas'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
>
>
> Roger....good catch on your part! Yes, I agree, that it is very
> important to follow through with the meeting so, as you said, you can
> verify that these important items have been properly captured and will
> be considered in the new plan.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:50 AM
> To: Stu Olson
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
>
> Stu, you reminded me of an example of how suggestions made during
> the first meeting somehow got omitted from the documentation provided
> at the second meeting. During the first meeting at the Phoenix
> location,
> we had submitted a request to preserve access to the trails in the
> southwest part of the White Tanks. That suggestion did not show up
> in the documentation provided at the second meeting. Fortunately, my
> memory was working that night so I detected the omission and I asked
> them to add it back in. This is just one example of why it's is
> important for
> everyone who attended the first meeting to follow through and attend the
> second meeting.
>
> -Roger
>
> Stu Olson wrote:
>
> > OK Jim....thanks for the update.
> >
> > With the greens now coming to the meetings, it is even more important
> > than ever that we have a good showing of OHV folks at these meetings.
> >
> > Another way to look at it....less than a year ago, that golf course
> was
> > NOT on the south side of I-10 near Watson Road. If you don't get
> > serious about our land use issues, we won't be doing our 4WD clinic
> next
> > year because there will be houses where we were wheelin' today. Based
> > on today's turn out, I am think none of us want to lose the White
> Tanks
> > 4 wheelin' area.
> >
> > I hope everyone can find just a few hours and attend one of the
> upcoming
> > week. It is really important that you do. Details are on the web
> site.
> >
> > Thanks one and all!
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 5:32 PM
> > To: Stu Olson; 'Roger Tomas'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Last night's BLM meeting - round 2
> >
> > Stu just to let you know that Rick, Randy and myself were at
> the
> > Deer
> > Valley Meeting we will not be going to the Prescott meeting. Warning
> it
> > seems that this process has now got the Greenies attending we need to
> > show
> > numbers at these meetings. Jim F.
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
82150 From: driveshaft37 <aarondickinson@h...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 10:20am
Subject: Good local source for a TJ radiator?
Mine is starting to ooze and I need to replace it. Where is everyone
going for these? I want an all metal replacement, but not sure on
aluminum or brass.
Thanks,
Aaron
82151 From: jeep108 <jeep108@h...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 10:37am
Subject: Re: Good local source for a TJ radiator?
Radiator.com or Hawkes radiator in mesa.I think if you get it from
radiator.com it might come from hawkes anyway.
Ken U
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "driveshaft37" <aarondickinson@h...> wrote:
> Mine is starting to ooze and I need to replace it. Where is everyone
> going for these? I want an all metal replacement, but not sure on
> aluminum or brass.
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron
82152 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 0:04pm
Subject: Re: 94 YJ 2.5L - A/C Suggestions
Roll down your windows, install some truck fans (available
at NAPA), spray bottle of rubbing alcohol, ice cold drink
in a small rubbermaid thermos inbetween the seats... lemme
see, oh yes, for when you are stopped at a traffic light
or in a traffic jam on I-10, install misters.
Real Jeeps Don't Have Air Conditioners! =)
Tony
jcarlton21 wrote:
> Anyone install an aftermarket A/C unit on their YJ?
>
> I have a hard top and full doors, so it is sealed a little better
> than most jeeps. Any suggestions or other information?
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
--
Even the safest course is fraught with peril.
82153 From: leonardg5185 <leonardg@i...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 0:04pm
Subject: Acceleration question: 2WD vs 4WD
I know you are not supposed to use part time 4WD on dry pavement,
but...
All other things being equal, if I floor the gas pedal, from a dead
stop, on dry pavement, would I get the same acceleration if the Jeep
was in 4WD-high or in 2WD? Acceleration, not torque or HP, etc
(Am looking for the effect of variable amount of traction on a set
amount of torque.)