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81928 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 10:44am
Subject: Re: [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
True true true
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
----- Original Message -----
From: FredTJ
To: 'AzVJC'
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or just go with an automatic ;)
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
To: 'AzVJC' ; Stu Olson
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe this is a driving style issue more than anything else. Even spooled, if you coast thru turns, it isn't noticeable. When I get to upgrade, I would prefer a super35 with a spool, then it always acts the same all the time. You just have to learn how to drive it.
you ride in cars, you DRIVE a jeep.
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: Michael Beckham ; 'AzVJC'
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is true, Michael.
I have been listening to the nay-sayers (is that spelled correctly?) in regards to Warn's 5 on 4.5" TJ hubs and how they will break on the trail, etc. Many of my friends in CA were running them before I installed mine. After I heard from them about the number of trips they all had taken to Johnson Valley and the fact that only one hub had actually suffered damage (the same number still holds to date), I installed mine without worrying about the "you are going to break" comments.
As I said in regards to the 4.88 gears, anything can break.....but some things don't actually break as often as some would have you believe. Randy S. indicated that he too hadn't seen the type of breakage that these gears supposedly have.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:06 AM
To: 'AzVJC'; Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reminds me off the one about putting a locker in a D35…….I had mine Lincoln locked for over a year, and put in a detroit to make it easier on the driveway….
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'AzVJC'
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anthony,
No doubt, someone has broken a few 4.88 gear sets somewhere along the way. However, this has been discussed at length on a number of on-line forums and the question was simple….”If you have broken a set of 4.88 gears, please post the details here.” Hundreds and hundreds of people viewed the thread and there were no first hand experiences posted. However, as always, the son of my ex-wife’s great uncle had a room mate in college who’s girl friend’s younger brother’s best friend knew someone in the 4WD club that heard a guy in the next county broke a set.
Anything can break, but the hype given to 4.88 gears being too small and popping is more of a wives tale than a factual piece of information.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Celaya [mailto:chaton602@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:25 PM
To: codyd2003@hotmail.com; AzVJC; Joe West; Siade Randy
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the chances of stripping the gears on 4:88's with a 4.0 are high. I was told that from a member of the "Lo-Rangers" . I don't know much about that area of the jeep but I'm ready to learn.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West
To: AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com
Sent: 4/1/2003 10:09:48 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cody,
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Go to bed!
As far as your questions go... I would recommend that you put 4.88's in your rig. There are some discussions about the pinion being too small on the 4.88:1 gearset which could lead to failure... however; I have yet to hear of a single instance of this happening. I installed 4.56:1 gears in my rig and if I had to do it over; I'd go with 4.88:1 or even 5.13:1 (I have D44s... you could not get 5.13:1 for your rig)
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, im graduating HS in like two months and want to make my jeep an off road machine can, can i put 4.88 R&P set in my stock Dana 30, Dana 35. Is their a major downfall or reason not too. or should put a 4.56 ratio in there. i have a 2.5 litre, ust trying to mil all of the power i can out of it. thanks for your help.
Cody Duran
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81929 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 11:37am
Subject: [TR] Land Use Meeting - Thursday, April 3, 2003 - Reminder
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81931 From: Scott Legge <slegge1@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 1:53pm
Subject: ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz
this list sure is quiet this time of day. Siesta time???
Scott Legge
81932 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:08pm
Subject: RE: ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Legge [mailto:slegge1@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:54 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz
this list sure is quiet this time of day. Siesta time???
Scott Legge
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81933 From: Shadow Wolf <shadowwolf@l...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:20pm
Subject: Re: ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz
Nah just some of us are a bit heartbroken over having to trade in thier
jeep. (namely me) But then again I don't post all that often since I got
activated.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Legge" <slegge1@c...>
To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz
this list sure is quiet this time of day. Siesta time???
Scott Legge
81934 From: <dtumilson@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:19pm
Subject: test dont read
81935 From: Richard Logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:37pm
Subject: Will consider offers on YJ Rock rig for sale
Will consider fair offers on the YJ Rock Rig for sale see on gallery or on jeep description under richard logan
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81936 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:43pm
Subject: airaid vs k&n
what are the differences in the two? just curious
94xjoe
81937 From: Scott Legge <slegge1@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:37pm
Subject: Re: test dont read
HEHEHE I read it
Scott Legge
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Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] test dont read
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81938 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 3:02pm
Subject: RE: airaid vs k&n
Airaid uses a K&N filter (or at least mine did)... they just add the plumbing to adapt it to a stock TJ.
So to answer your question; there are no differences.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Joey Martinez [mailto:joey@webtechs.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:43 PM
To: jeepclub
Subject: [az_vjc] airaid vs k&n
what are the differences in the two? just curious
94xjoe
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81939 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 3:14pm
Subject: RE: airaid vs k&n
i just had to ask, it was a little 'too' quiet today
94xjoe
81940 From: Nichole <cj7wheelin@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 3:37pm
Subject: I need Lift!! This is on topic, get your minds back on jeeps! ; )~
Alright guys, I need some suggestions. I can't decide whether I just
want new springs for my jeep or if I should go all out and do a
spring over. I have heard just a little about both (good and bad). I
have put it off long enough.
I have a '78 CJ7 with a V8 (so power is not an issue on the road,
however this will put more strain on the axels if I'm not mistaken).
I am planning on purchasing new tires really soon (per my past post
asking your opinion on that) and was going with 33 MTR's, however I
had a bug put in my ear to do the spring over and jump to 35's. FYI:
I use my jeep 90% of the time for rock crawling and the remaining 10%
playing at the dunes (Thanksgiving).
I would love to hear all the information you could possibly throw at
me! Facts, personal experience, articles, the works. If I do this I
will be upgrading A LOT and want to make sure I know all the ins and
outs before I throw down a bunch of money (I am all too aware of the
can I am opening, I have prepared myself for a big bill).
I appreciate any input!
Thanks,
Nichole
81941 From: Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 3:37pm
Subject: Re: Thanks Duffy
Duffy,
I was in your group last weekend with the Silver TJ. We talked a
little about some rocker guards. I'd like to get those done in the
near future. I think you said you were going out of town relatively
soon, but when you get back I'd like to help/learn as much as I can
about the building process.
BTW, I have a few skimpy unmentionables, but I'm not quite ready to
share with the WHOLE club, so let keep the sweeping pics to a minimum
LOL!
Thanks
Phil
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Duffy Ladd" <dladd5@c...> wrote:
> Sharky,
> Is it okay to post your Purple Thong Bikini sweeping pictures
now??????
> Let me know I'm sure everyone doesn't want to see them!!!!
>
> Duffy
>
>
> > oh yes grasshopper...in time...first I need paint :)
> > My Jeep looks soooooooo naked with out the fun noodles LOL
> >
> >
> > Sharky
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> > > Well.... are you going to SHOW US???
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:54 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Thasnks Duffy
> > >
> > >
> > > A big thanks to Dufster for the new cage work...its awesome,
> > thanks bro
> > >
> > > Sharky
> > >
> > >
> > >
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81942 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 3:40pm
Subject: Re: airaid vs k&n
They both use the same file, the K&N "silica injection device, sensor and intake port clogging" filters ;)
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Joey Martinez
To: jeepclub
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:43 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] airaid vs k&n
what are the differences in the two? just curious
94xjoe
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81943 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 4:25pm
Subject: Re: I need Lift!! This is on topic, get your minds back on jeeps! ; )~
Hey Nichole,
Here is my experience from jumping in over my head and going SOA when
everyone said I shouldnt(couple years ago), while this is all on a
YJ, most of it still applies to yuor jeep. Ill start by sayin soa is
awesome. Right now I am sitting on stock wrangler rear 5 leaf packs
with an addtl main leaf, and it flexes and wheels great.
Here is what I did, I just get the RE spring perches weld them on top
of the axle, leave the fronts parrallel to the old ones but the rears
you will need to tilt up for pinion angle. With a CV shaft, you will
want to point it 1-2 degrees below the t-case output. For brakelines,
talk to Barry at 4 wheelers to get the right parts, he gave me a
great idea and that is to run a single softline to the center of the
axle, then run hardlines to the sides, then softlines to the
calipers, sort of like the rear is done from the factory on vehicles
with rear discs. This allows the use of stock parts since the center
of the axle doesnt droop out near as much as the outsides do, it also
keeps the brakelines out of the tires:). For shock mounts I used F-
250 Shock towers up front(Idea courtesy Steve Meyer) and the little
stud that comes with ranchos for the bottom with Rancho 9012's in frt
and in the rear I run 9112's with the same bottom mounts as the front
and M.O.R.E upper shock extenders. Boomerang Shackles all the way
around. Oh yeah, you will definitely need a traction bar eventually.
I had John at Hunter Offroad make one and it worked great. As far as
steering issues, Im not sure what the CJ guys are doing about that??
I dont know if the springs would hit the draglink or not, you may
have to get some Dana 44 knuckles and go hi-steer. And if you step up
to 35s, youll at least want to get one piece shafts for the rear and
get the upgraded shafts for the front that use the 297x joint, or you
could swap in some 60s like I did:), but I dont think you prepared
yourself for that big of a bill!!
Here are a few links to get the gears turnin.
http://homepage.mac.com/jefe/
http://www.jeepaholics.com/tech/SOA/yjomesoa.htm
http://jeepskate.4x4.org/SOA.htm
http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/jeep/
Oh, and when you decide to do it,(I know you will:P) Id be glad to
help out with the project.
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Nichole" <cj7wheelin@h...> wrote:
> Alright guys, I need some suggestions. I can't decide whether I
just
> want new springs for my jeep or if I should go all out and do a
> spring over. I have heard just a little about both (good and bad).
I
> have put it off long enough.
>
> I have a '78 CJ7 with a V8 (so power is not an issue on the road,
> however this will put more strain on the axels if I'm not
mistaken).
> I am planning on purchasing new tires really soon (per my past post
> asking your opinion on that) and was going with 33 MTR's, however I
> had a bug put in my ear to do the spring over and jump to 35's.
FYI:
> I use my jeep 90% of the time for rock crawling and the remaining
10%
> playing at the dunes (Thanksgiving).
>
> I would love to hear all the information you could possibly throw
at
> me! Facts, personal experience, articles, the works. If I do this
I
> will be upgrading A LOT and want to make sure I know all the ins
and
> outs before I throw down a bunch of money (I am all too aware of
the
> can I am opening, I have prepared myself for a big bill).
>
> I appreciate any input!
>
> Thanks,
> Nichole
81944 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 4:34pm
Subject: Re: Considering TJ - Darn Yer Hide Joe West!!!!
While you and I have never met, I have lerked here enough to know seem
to be held in some esteem by the board, so your advice caught me unawares.
"If you can afford it; GET THE RUBICON.." you say? Well being
naturaully curious about all things Jeep, I do a little research.
D44s, not one but 2! Air lockers, not one but two! 64 : 1 crawl
ratio out of the box. Hah! I think too good to be true, must drive
like hell.
So today I take a little test drive (in my best creepy drug dealer
voice, "It's OK, just take one hit off the crack pipe, it won't hurt
you. Mwahhhaaaahhaaaahaaaa."). OhMyGodIMayBeHooked. Wow.
But surely the bank won't give a loan for such a vehicle. Right? I
just got off the phone with them: "Would you like us to mail the check
to you or to the dealership?"
Did I mention I am getting it at invoice?
How many Rubies are there in the group?
Can't....
Stop....
Twitching.....
Must Sit Down.....
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> Kent,
>
> If you get the D44 rear axle, you get the 3.73 gears. When I
purchased my
> TJ... I was forced to get the 30 tire package with the Dana 44 rear
axle;
> I'm not sure if this is still true. Regardless... whatever you do;
> definitely get the Dana 44 in the rear. You are correct that the newest
> transmission is the NV3550 and I'm thinking (but I am not absolutely
sure)
> that the first year for this transmission was 2000.
>
> There are TONS of TJ resource pages... just do a google search for
TJ and
> you will be overwhelmed. Our own Chris Krieg and Stu Olson have great
> pages...
>
> The auto transmission is a preference thing... if you like
automatics; get
> it. If you like to shift; get the manual. I personally prefer the
manual
> transmission... but plenty of people like automatics.
>
> Pearls of wisdom:
>
> Make sure your rig has the following options:
>
> Dana 44 rear axle
> Air conditioning
>
> Don't waste your money on the Sahara package.
>
> If you can afford it; GET THE RUBICON... it IS by and large; the
absolute
> best of all worlds... you CANNOT build a rig like the Rubicon for
less money
> than the Rubicon costs (assuming you can get the Rubicon at invoice).
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:01 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Considering getting a TJ
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> I am considering getting a TJ pretty soon, to be a light trail
> wheeler/daily driver. It's not that I don't love my CJ, but I would
> like to actually go on a trail run every now and then, instead of sit
> in the garage and try and put the CJ back together.
>
> Don't know much about TJs though, so I have a couple questions. Is
> the D44 rear axle part of a package or a stand alone option? Does
> the trailer towing package get you 3.73 gears? Someone told that the
> 5 speed that is used now is a NV3550, what year did they start
> putting those in. Any TJ resource pages? Is the auto that is
> offered any good? Does it have an overdirve? Any other pearls of
> wisdom?
>
> Thanx
>
>
>
>
>
>
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
81945 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@m...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 5:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: I need Lift!! This is on topic, get your minds back on jeeps! ; )~
Nichole,
As you can see, the SOA has it's advantages, but requires a considerable
amount of work. I put a 4.5" spring-under lift on my CJ7. I also added
some longer shackles, so I'm sitting a little more than 5" taller.
Plenty of room to fit 35" tires underneath. I also added a drop pitman
arm and some extended brake lines, but that was the extent of it. There
wasn't anything that I couldn't do myself, and the only tools I needed
were some wrenches (and a breaker bar for those rusted bolts) and a
hi-lift jack. Oh, and a pitman arm puller from autozone.
It's been 8 years since installing the lift, and I've been very happy...
-darren
Scott Maiden wrote:
> Hey Nichole,
>
> Here is my experience from jumping in over my head and going SOA when
> everyone said I shouldnt(couple years ago), while this is all on a
> YJ, most of it still applies to yuor jeep. Ill start by sayin soa is
> awesome. Right now I am sitting on stock wrangler rear 5 leaf packs
> with an addtl main leaf, and it flexes and wheels great.
>
> Here is what I did, I just get the RE spring perches weld them on top
> of the axle, leave the fronts parrallel to the old ones but the rears
> you will need to tilt up for pinion angle. With a CV shaft, you will
> want to point it 1-2 degrees below the t-case output. For brakelines,
> talk to Barry at 4 wheelers to get the right parts, he gave me a
> great idea and that is to run a single softline to the center of the
> axle, then run hardlines to the sides, then softlines to the
> calipers, sort of like the rear is done from the factory on vehicles
> with rear discs. This allows the use of stock parts since the center
> of the axle doesnt droop out near as much as the outsides do, it also
> keeps the brakelines out of the tires:). For shock mounts I used F-
> 250 Shock towers up front(Idea courtesy Steve Meyer) and the little
> stud that comes with ranchos for the bottom with Rancho 9012's in frt
> and in the rear I run 9112's with the same bottom mounts as the front
> and M.O.R.E upper shock extenders. Boomerang Shackles all the way
> around. Oh yeah, you will definitely need a traction bar eventually.
> I had John at Hunter Offroad make one and it worked great. As far as
> steering issues, Im not sure what the CJ guys are doing about that??
> I dont know if the springs would hit the draglink or not, you may
> have to get some Dana 44 knuckles and go hi-steer. And if you step up
> to 35s, youll at least want to get one piece shafts for the rear and
> get the upgraded shafts for the front that use the 297x joint, or you
> could swap in some 60s like I did:), but I dont think you prepared
> yourself for that big of a bill!!
>
> Here are a few links to get the gears turnin.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/jefe/
>
> http://www.jeepaholics.com/tech/SOA/yjomesoa.htm
>
> http://jeepskate.4x4.org/SOA.htm
>
> http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/jeep/
>
> Oh, and when you decide to do it,(I know you will:P) Id be glad to
> help out with the project.
>
> Scott Maiden
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Nichole" <cj7wheelin@h...> wrote:
>
>>Alright guys, I need some suggestions. I can't decide whether I
>
> just
>
>>want new springs for my jeep or if I should go all out and do a
>>spring over. I have heard just a little about both (good and bad).
>
> I
>
>>have put it off long enough.
>>
>>I have a '78 CJ7 with a V8 (so power is not an issue on the road,
>>however this will put more strain on the axels if I'm not
>
> mistaken).
>
>>I am planning on purchasing new tires really soon (per my past post
>>asking your opinion on that) and was going with 33 MTR's, however I
>>had a bug put in my ear to do the spring over and jump to 35's.
>
> FYI:
>
>>I use my jeep 90% of the time for rock crawling and the remaining
>
> 10%
>
>>playing at the dunes (Thanksgiving).
>>
>>I would love to hear all the information you could possibly throw
>
> at
>
>>me! Facts, personal experience, articles, the works. If I do this
>
> I
>
>>will be upgrading A LOT and want to make sure I know all the ins
>
> and
>
>>outs before I throw down a bunch of money (I am all too aware of
>
> the
>
>>can I am opening, I have prepared myself for a big bill).
>>
>>I appreciate any input!
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Nichole
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
--
Darren Richards
Motorola SPS
Advanced Technology Integration Center
phone: 480.413.6013
81946 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 7:02pm
Subject: Re: I need Lift!! This is on topic, get your minds back on jeeps! ; )~
GO FOR THE SPRING OVER! WHEEEE!
Tony "I'm a Sucker for Lift" Nemmer
Nichole wrote:
> Alright guys, I need some suggestions. I can't decide whether I just
> want new springs for my jeep or if I should go all out and do a
> spring over. I have heard just a little about both (good and bad). I
> have put it off long enough.
>
> I have a '78 CJ7 with a V8 (so power is not an issue on the road,
> however this will put more strain on the axels if I'm not mistaken).
> I am planning on purchasing new tires really soon (per my past post
> asking your opinion on that) and was going with 33 MTR's, however I
> had a bug put in my ear to do the spring over and jump to 35's. FYI:
> I use my jeep 90% of the time for rock crawling and the remaining 10%
> playing at the dunes (Thanksgiving).
>
> I would love to hear all the information you could possibly throw at
> me! Facts, personal experience, articles, the works. If I do this I
> will be upgrading A LOT and want to make sure I know all the ins and
> outs before I throw down a bunch of money (I am all too aware of the
> can I am opening, I have prepared myself for a big bill).
>
> I appreciate any input!
>
> Thanks,
> Nichole
>
>
>
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81947 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:28pm
Subject: [Tech] NP231 - leaking tranny fluid
I have a large leak in my t-case. The fluid comes out of the slip yoke. The more fluid I have in the case the more it will leak until the case is out of tranny fluid. I just replaced the rear out put seal on my np231. looking at th seal it appeared to me the seal was made to keep stuff out not in (this is only a guess i'm still learing jeep). Is there another seal deeper in the t-case that keeps the tranny fluid in? IF so could this repair be done by someone who is learning jeeps? or should I just break down and take it to the shop? Thanks
Jonathan Dexter
81948 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:50pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] NP231 - leaking tranny fluid
Hi Jonathon,
I've torn apart a few 231's and the seal at the output is the only seal on the rear output. The rubber part with the spring goes towards the inside but since there is only one way to press it in you couldn't have gone wrong there. It's possible that it got damaged while you installed it or you may not have the right part number. You may have even lost the little round spring that keeps tension on the rubber part allowing fluid to easily leak out.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:29 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] NP231 - leaking tranny fluid
I have a large leak in my t-case. The fluid comes out of the slip yoke. The more fluid I have in the case the more it will leak until the case is out of tranny fluid. I just replaced the rear out put seal on my np231. looking at th seal it appeared to me the seal was made to keep stuff out not in (this is only a guess i'm still learing jeep). Is there another seal deeper in the t-case that keeps the tranny fluid in? IF so could this repair be done by someone who is learning jeeps? or should I just break down and take it to the shop? Thanks
Jonathan Dexter
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81949 From: JIM CASSADAY <liv2jp@m...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:53pm
Subject: Re: (F S ) 33x12.50 BFG A/T
5 BFG A/T tires 33x12.50 4 at 95% tread the spare is at 100% tread
moving up to 35" mtr tomorrow . $400.00 for all 5 .
call or e mail 480-988-4167 (Gilbert)
liv2jp@msn.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Siade, Randy
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Keith D. Orr; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Gear Install?
I do allot of gear for the club members at the best price I have seen. About 1/2 what 4 wheelers will charge. The only problem I have is I broke my ribs about two weeks ago and will not be able to install them for you for about 2-3 more weeks. If you can what that long I can save you some bucks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith D. Orr [mailto:casper@cybertrails.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:24 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Gear Install?
Hello Gang,
I am ready to have my 4.56 gears installed. I have an 87 XJ with a D30 front, and a D35-non c-clip in the rear. I have the gears and master rebuild kits from Randy's. Can you recommend a good and not too expensive shop in the valley. I have been told that 4wheelers supply is not too bad. I will be delivering the complete vehicle, for the axles are not out. Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks,
Casper
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81950 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:54pm
Subject: [Tech] 99 Wrangler - SYE installed, yet still vibrating
I have a 3 inch RE lift. After installation I had a good amount of vibration, so I had a local shop put in a SYE kit and the new CV style shaft. I still have a lot of vibration between 53-60 miles per hour. Is this normal? I figured the vibrations should be gone completely.
Any advice would be great.
Ryan Finchum
81951 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:00pm
Subject: RE: Re: I need Lift!! This is on topic, get your minds back on jeeps! ; )~
SOA also gives you a nice cadillac ride. A spring under lift will ride
rougher than stock.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Maiden [mailto:bermboy@h...]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:26 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I need Lift!! This is on topic, get your minds
back on jeeps! ; )~
Hey Nichole,
Here is my experience from jumping in over my head and going SOA when
everyone said I shouldnt(couple years ago), while this is all on a
YJ, most of it still applies to yuor jeep. Ill start by sayin soa is
awesome. Right now I am sitting on stock wrangler rear 5 leaf packs
with an addtl main leaf, and it flexes and wheels great.
Here is what I did, I just get the RE spring perches weld them on top
of the axle, leave the fronts parrallel to the old ones but the rears
you will need to tilt up for pinion angle. With a CV shaft, you will
want to point it 1-2 degrees below the t-case output. For brakelines,
talk to Barry at 4 wheelers to get the right parts, he gave me a
great idea and that is to run a single softline to the center of the
axle, then run hardlines to the sides, then softlines to the
calipers, sort of like the rear is done from the factory on vehicles
with rear discs. This allows the use of stock parts since the center
of the axle doesnt droop out near as much as the outsides do, it also
keeps the brakelines out of the tires:). For shock mounts I used F-
250 Shock towers up front(Idea courtesy Steve Meyer) and the little
stud that comes with ranchos for the bottom with Rancho 9012's in frt
and in the rear I run 9112's with the same bottom mounts as the front
and M.O.R.E upper shock extenders. Boomerang Shackles all the way
around. Oh yeah, you will definitely need a traction bar eventually.
I had John at Hunter Offroad make one and it worked great. As far as
steering issues, Im not sure what the CJ guys are doing about that??
I dont know if the springs would hit the draglink or not, you may
have to get some Dana 44 knuckles and go hi-steer. And if you step up
to 35s, youll at least want to get one piece shafts for the rear and
get the upgraded shafts for the front that use the 297x joint, or you
could swap in some 60s like I did:), but I dont think you prepared
yourself for that big of a bill!!
Here are a few links to get the gears turnin.
http://homepage.mac.com/jefe/
http://www.jeepaholics.com/tech/SOA/yjomesoa.htm
http://jeepskate.4x4.org/SOA.htm
http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/jeep/
Oh, and when you decide to do it,(I know you will:P) Id be glad to
help out with the project.
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Nichole" <cj7wheelin@h...> wrote:
> Alright guys, I need some suggestions. I can't decide whether I
just
> want new springs for my jeep or if I should go all out and do a
> spring over. I have heard just a little about both (good and bad).
I
> have put it off long enough.
>
> I have a '78 CJ7 with a V8 (so power is not an issue on the road,
> however this will put more strain on the axels if I'm not
mistaken).
> I am planning on purchasing new tires really soon (per my past post
> asking your opinion on that) and was going with 33 MTR's, however I
> had a bug put in my ear to do the spring over and jump to 35's.
FYI:
> I use my jeep 90% of the time for rock crawling and the remaining
10%
> playing at the dunes (Thanksgiving).
>
> I would love to hear all the information you could possibly throw
at
> me! Facts, personal experience, articles, the works. If I do this
I
> will be upgrading A LOT and want to make sure I know all the ins
and
> outs before I throw down a bunch of money (I am all too aware of
the
> can I am opening, I have prepared myself for a big bill).
>
> I appreciate any input!
>
> Thanks,
> Nichole
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81952 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 8:15pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] 99 Wrangler - SYE installed, yet still vibrating
Ryan,
It sounds like the pinion angle is not set right. You should use an angle finder to check it out. Place the angle finder on the driveshaft and measure the angle. Then rotate the driveshaft until one of the ujoint caps at the pinion is vertical and place a socket inside one of the ujoint caps. Set the angle finder on this socket and measure the angle. The angles ideally should be between 1 degree lower at the pinion than the driveshaft to zero degrees difference. The pinion angle should NEVER be any higher than the driveshaft angle.
With adjustable control arms it's pretty easy to adjust the pinion angle until you get the angles set correctly. An angle finder will set you back about $12 at Home Depot. Attached to this message you will see a picture of correct CV driveshaft geometry as well as what the angle finder looks like.
Regards,
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:54 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] 99 Wrangler - SYE installed, yet still vibrating
I have a 3 inch RE lift. After installation I had a good amount of vibration, so I had a local shop put in a SYE kit and the new CV style shaft. I still have a lot of vibration between 53-60 miles per hour. Is this normal? I figured the vibrations should be gone completely.
Any advice would be great.
Ryan Finchum
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81953 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 8:41pm
Subject: [TR] Box Canyon - Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Mike Hiett is leading a Box Canyon trail run on Wednesday, April 9, 2003.
When: Wednesday the 9th of April
Where: 1st meeting place will be at my house at 8am gilbert and Brown... There will be 1 other at arround 8:30am Gilbert and the freeway at the Texaco carwash next to the tirestore n/w corner and the final meeting place will be at 9am gas statioon at Florfence Junction pullingo out 9:30 am.
Rating: 3.0
Length: 1/2 to 3/4 of a day
CB Channel: 4 FRS 4
I'll be taking a friend from work up Box canyon and maybe up jackhandle or up to the Martinez area depending on how everyone feels.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
81928 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 10:44am
Subject: Re: [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
True true true
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
----- Original Message -----
From: FredTJ
To: 'AzVJC'
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or just go with an automatic ;)
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
To: 'AzVJC' ; Stu Olson
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe this is a driving style issue more than anything else. Even spooled, if you coast thru turns, it isn't noticeable. When I get to upgrade, I would prefer a super35 with a spool, then it always acts the same all the time. You just have to learn how to drive it.
you ride in cars, you DRIVE a jeep.
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: Michael Beckham ; 'AzVJC'
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is true, Michael.
I have been listening to the nay-sayers (is that spelled correctly?) in regards to Warn's 5 on 4.5" TJ hubs and how they will break on the trail, etc. Many of my friends in CA were running them before I installed mine. After I heard from them about the number of trips they all had taken to Johnson Valley and the fact that only one hub had actually suffered damage (the same number still holds to date), I installed mine without worrying about the "you are going to break" comments.
As I said in regards to the 4.88 gears, anything can break.....but some things don't actually break as often as some would have you believe. Randy S. indicated that he too hadn't seen the type of breakage that these gears supposedly have.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:06 AM
To: 'AzVJC'; Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reminds me off the one about putting a locker in a D35…….I had mine Lincoln locked for over a year, and put in a detroit to make it easier on the driveway….
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'AzVJC'
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anthony,
No doubt, someone has broken a few 4.88 gear sets somewhere along the way. However, this has been discussed at length on a number of on-line forums and the question was simple….”If you have broken a set of 4.88 gears, please post the details here.” Hundreds and hundreds of people viewed the thread and there were no first hand experiences posted. However, as always, the son of my ex-wife’s great uncle had a room mate in college who’s girl friend’s younger brother’s best friend knew someone in the 4WD club that heard a guy in the next county broke a set.
Anything can break, but the hype given to 4.88 gears being too small and popping is more of a wives tale than a factual piece of information.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Celaya [mailto:chaton602@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:25 PM
To: codyd2003@hotmail.com; AzVJC; Joe West; Siade Randy
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the chances of stripping the gears on 4:88's with a 4.0 are high. I was told that from a member of the "Lo-Rangers" . I don't know much about that area of the jeep but I'm ready to learn.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West
To: AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com
Sent: 4/1/2003 10:09:48 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cody,
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Go to bed!
As far as your questions go... I would recommend that you put 4.88's in your rig. There are some discussions about the pinion being too small on the 4.88:1 gearset which could lead to failure... however; I have yet to hear of a single instance of this happening. I installed 4.56:1 gears in my rig and if I had to do it over; I'd go with 4.88:1 or even 5.13:1 (I have D44s... you could not get 5.13:1 for your rig)
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, im graduating HS in like two months and want to make my jeep an off road machine can, can i put 4.88 R&P set in my stock Dana 30, Dana 35. Is their a major downfall or reason not too. or should put a 4.56 ratio in there. i have a 2.5 litre, ust trying to mil all of the power i can out of it. thanks for your help.
Cody Duran
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81929 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 11:37am
Subject: [TR] Land Use Meeting - Thursday, April 3, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Robert (Roy) Rogers is leading a Land Use Meeting trail run on Thursday, April 3, 2003.
When: 6-9PM
Where: Deer Valley Community Center
Rating: 2.0-
Length: 3 hours
CB Channel: 4
Second of the Phx. BLM Workshops on the Agua Fria National Monument and Bradshaw Foothills-Harquahala area in Phoenix.
Deer Valley Community Center 6 - 9 p.m. 6 - 9 p.m.
2001 West Wahalla Lane, Phoenix
1 block S of Beardsley, S of 101 and 19th Ave
(The big park on the WEST of 19th Ave. just south of 101).
This is used to add Land Use Meetings to the AzVJC Events List.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
81931 From: Scott Legge <slegge1@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 1:53pm
Subject: ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz
this list sure is quiet this time of day. Siesta time???
Scott Legge
81932 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:08pm
Subject: RE: ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Legge [mailto:slegge1@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:54 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz
this list sure is quiet this time of day. Siesta time???
Scott Legge
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81933 From: Shadow Wolf <shadowwolf@l...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:20pm
Subject: Re: ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz
Nah just some of us are a bit heartbroken over having to trade in thier
jeep. (namely me) But then again I don't post all that often since I got
activated.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Legge" <slegge1@c...>
To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz
this list sure is quiet this time of day. Siesta time???
Scott Legge
81934 From: <dtumilson@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:19pm
Subject: test dont read
81935 From: Richard Logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:37pm
Subject: Will consider offers on YJ Rock rig for sale
Will consider fair offers on the YJ Rock Rig for sale see on gallery or on jeep description under richard logan
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81936 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:43pm
Subject: airaid vs k&n
what are the differences in the two? just curious
94xjoe
81937 From: Scott Legge <slegge1@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:37pm
Subject: Re: test dont read
HEHEHE I read it
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: <dtumilson@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] test dont read
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
81938 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 3:02pm
Subject: RE: airaid vs k&n
Airaid uses a K&N filter (or at least mine did)... they just add the plumbing to adapt it to a stock TJ.
So to answer your question; there are no differences.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Joey Martinez [mailto:joey@webtechs.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:43 PM
To: jeepclub
Subject: [az_vjc] airaid vs k&n
what are the differences in the two? just curious
94xjoe
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81939 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 3:14pm
Subject: RE: airaid vs k&n
i just had to ask, it was a little 'too' quiet today
94xjoe
81940 From: Nichole <cj7wheelin@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 3:37pm
Subject: I need Lift!! This is on topic, get your minds back on jeeps! ; )~
Alright guys, I need some suggestions. I can't decide whether I just
want new springs for my jeep or if I should go all out and do a
spring over. I have heard just a little about both (good and bad). I
have put it off long enough.
I have a '78 CJ7 with a V8 (so power is not an issue on the road,
however this will put more strain on the axels if I'm not mistaken).
I am planning on purchasing new tires really soon (per my past post
asking your opinion on that) and was going with 33 MTR's, however I
had a bug put in my ear to do the spring over and jump to 35's. FYI:
I use my jeep 90% of the time for rock crawling and the remaining 10%
playing at the dunes (Thanksgiving).
I would love to hear all the information you could possibly throw at
me! Facts, personal experience, articles, the works. If I do this I
will be upgrading A LOT and want to make sure I know all the ins and
outs before I throw down a bunch of money (I am all too aware of the
can I am opening, I have prepared myself for a big bill).
I appreciate any input!
Thanks,
Nichole
81941 From: Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 3:37pm
Subject: Re: Thanks Duffy
Duffy,
I was in your group last weekend with the Silver TJ. We talked a
little about some rocker guards. I'd like to get those done in the
near future. I think you said you were going out of town relatively
soon, but when you get back I'd like to help/learn as much as I can
about the building process.
BTW, I have a few skimpy unmentionables, but I'm not quite ready to
share with the WHOLE club, so let keep the sweeping pics to a minimum
LOL!
Thanks
Phil
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Duffy Ladd" <dladd5@c...> wrote:
> Sharky,
> Is it okay to post your Purple Thong Bikini sweeping pictures
now??????
> Let me know I'm sure everyone doesn't want to see them!!!!
>
> Duffy
>
>
> > oh yes grasshopper...in time...first I need paint :)
> > My Jeep looks soooooooo naked with out the fun noodles LOL
> >
> >
> > Sharky
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> > > Well.... are you going to SHOW US???
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:54 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Thasnks Duffy
> > >
> > >
> > > A big thanks to Dufster for the new cage work...its awesome,
> > thanks bro
> > >
> > > Sharky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
81942 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 3:40pm
Subject: Re: airaid vs k&n
They both use the same file, the K&N "silica injection device, sensor and intake port clogging" filters ;)
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Joey Martinez
To: jeepclub
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:43 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] airaid vs k&n
what are the differences in the two? just curious
94xjoe
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81943 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 4:25pm
Subject: Re: I need Lift!! This is on topic, get your minds back on jeeps! ; )~
Hey Nichole,
Here is my experience from jumping in over my head and going SOA when
everyone said I shouldnt(couple years ago), while this is all on a
YJ, most of it still applies to yuor jeep. Ill start by sayin soa is
awesome. Right now I am sitting on stock wrangler rear 5 leaf packs
with an addtl main leaf, and it flexes and wheels great.
Here is what I did, I just get the RE spring perches weld them on top
of the axle, leave the fronts parrallel to the old ones but the rears
you will need to tilt up for pinion angle. With a CV shaft, you will
want to point it 1-2 degrees below the t-case output. For brakelines,
talk to Barry at 4 wheelers to get the right parts, he gave me a
great idea and that is to run a single softline to the center of the
axle, then run hardlines to the sides, then softlines to the
calipers, sort of like the rear is done from the factory on vehicles
with rear discs. This allows the use of stock parts since the center
of the axle doesnt droop out near as much as the outsides do, it also
keeps the brakelines out of the tires:). For shock mounts I used F-
250 Shock towers up front(Idea courtesy Steve Meyer) and the little
stud that comes with ranchos for the bottom with Rancho 9012's in frt
and in the rear I run 9112's with the same bottom mounts as the front
and M.O.R.E upper shock extenders. Boomerang Shackles all the way
around. Oh yeah, you will definitely need a traction bar eventually.
I had John at Hunter Offroad make one and it worked great. As far as
steering issues, Im not sure what the CJ guys are doing about that??
I dont know if the springs would hit the draglink or not, you may
have to get some Dana 44 knuckles and go hi-steer. And if you step up
to 35s, youll at least want to get one piece shafts for the rear and
get the upgraded shafts for the front that use the 297x joint, or you
could swap in some 60s like I did:), but I dont think you prepared
yourself for that big of a bill!!
Here are a few links to get the gears turnin.
http://homepage.mac.com/jefe/
http://www.jeepaholics.com/tech/SOA/yjomesoa.htm
http://jeepskate.4x4.org/SOA.htm
http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/jeep/
Oh, and when you decide to do it,(I know you will:P) Id be glad to
help out with the project.
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Nichole" <cj7wheelin@h...> wrote:
> Alright guys, I need some suggestions. I can't decide whether I
just
> want new springs for my jeep or if I should go all out and do a
> spring over. I have heard just a little about both (good and bad).
I
> have put it off long enough.
>
> I have a '78 CJ7 with a V8 (so power is not an issue on the road,
> however this will put more strain on the axels if I'm not
mistaken).
> I am planning on purchasing new tires really soon (per my past post
> asking your opinion on that) and was going with 33 MTR's, however I
> had a bug put in my ear to do the spring over and jump to 35's.
FYI:
> I use my jeep 90% of the time for rock crawling and the remaining
10%
> playing at the dunes (Thanksgiving).
>
> I would love to hear all the information you could possibly throw
at
> me! Facts, personal experience, articles, the works. If I do this
I
> will be upgrading A LOT and want to make sure I know all the ins
and
> outs before I throw down a bunch of money (I am all too aware of
the
> can I am opening, I have prepared myself for a big bill).
>
> I appreciate any input!
>
> Thanks,
> Nichole
81944 From: Kent Warner <KnetAZ@q...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 4:34pm
Subject: Re: Considering TJ - Darn Yer Hide Joe West!!!!
While you and I have never met, I have lerked here enough to know seem
to be held in some esteem by the board, so your advice caught me unawares.
"If you can afford it; GET THE RUBICON.." you say? Well being
naturaully curious about all things Jeep, I do a little research.
D44s, not one but 2! Air lockers, not one but two! 64 : 1 crawl
ratio out of the box. Hah! I think too good to be true, must drive
like hell.
So today I take a little test drive (in my best creepy drug dealer
voice, "It's OK, just take one hit off the crack pipe, it won't hurt
you. Mwahhhaaaahhaaaahaaaa."). OhMyGodIMayBeHooked. Wow.
But surely the bank won't give a loan for such a vehicle. Right? I
just got off the phone with them: "Would you like us to mail the check
to you or to the dealership?"
Did I mention I am getting it at invoice?
How many Rubies are there in the group?
Can't....
Stop....
Twitching.....
Must Sit Down.....
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> Kent,
>
> If you get the D44 rear axle, you get the 3.73 gears. When I
purchased my
> TJ... I was forced to get the 30 tire package with the Dana 44 rear
axle;
> I'm not sure if this is still true. Regardless... whatever you do;
> definitely get the Dana 44 in the rear. You are correct that the newest
> transmission is the NV3550 and I'm thinking (but I am not absolutely
sure)
> that the first year for this transmission was 2000.
>
> There are TONS of TJ resource pages... just do a google search for
TJ and
> you will be overwhelmed. Our own Chris Krieg and Stu Olson have great
> pages...
>
> The auto transmission is a preference thing... if you like
automatics; get
> it. If you like to shift; get the manual. I personally prefer the
manual
> transmission... but plenty of people like automatics.
>
> Pearls of wisdom:
>
> Make sure your rig has the following options:
>
> Dana 44 rear axle
> Air conditioning
>
> Don't waste your money on the Sahara package.
>
> If you can afford it; GET THE RUBICON... it IS by and large; the
absolute
> best of all worlds... you CANNOT build a rig like the Rubicon for
less money
> than the Rubicon costs (assuming you can get the Rubicon at invoice).
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:01 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Considering getting a TJ
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> I am considering getting a TJ pretty soon, to be a light trail
> wheeler/daily driver. It's not that I don't love my CJ, but I would
> like to actually go on a trail run every now and then, instead of sit
> in the garage and try and put the CJ back together.
>
> Don't know much about TJs though, so I have a couple questions. Is
> the D44 rear axle part of a package or a stand alone option? Does
> the trailer towing package get you 3.73 gears? Someone told that the
> 5 speed that is used now is a NV3550, what year did they start
> putting those in. Any TJ resource pages? Is the auto that is
> offered any good? Does it have an overdirve? Any other pearls of
> wisdom?
>
> Thanx
>
>
>
>
>
>
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81945 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@m...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 5:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: I need Lift!! This is on topic, get your minds back on jeeps! ; )~
Nichole,
As you can see, the SOA has it's advantages, but requires a considerable
amount of work. I put a 4.5" spring-under lift on my CJ7. I also added
some longer shackles, so I'm sitting a little more than 5" taller.
Plenty of room to fit 35" tires underneath. I also added a drop pitman
arm and some extended brake lines, but that was the extent of it. There
wasn't anything that I couldn't do myself, and the only tools I needed
were some wrenches (and a breaker bar for those rusted bolts) and a
hi-lift jack. Oh, and a pitman arm puller from autozone.
It's been 8 years since installing the lift, and I've been very happy...
-darren
Scott Maiden wrote:
> Hey Nichole,
>
> Here is my experience from jumping in over my head and going SOA when
> everyone said I shouldnt(couple years ago), while this is all on a
> YJ, most of it still applies to yuor jeep. Ill start by sayin soa is
> awesome. Right now I am sitting on stock wrangler rear 5 leaf packs
> with an addtl main leaf, and it flexes and wheels great.
>
> Here is what I did, I just get the RE spring perches weld them on top
> of the axle, leave the fronts parrallel to the old ones but the rears
> you will need to tilt up for pinion angle. With a CV shaft, you will
> want to point it 1-2 degrees below the t-case output. For brakelines,
> talk to Barry at 4 wheelers to get the right parts, he gave me a
> great idea and that is to run a single softline to the center of the
> axle, then run hardlines to the sides, then softlines to the
> calipers, sort of like the rear is done from the factory on vehicles
> with rear discs. This allows the use of stock parts since the center
> of the axle doesnt droop out near as much as the outsides do, it also
> keeps the brakelines out of the tires:). For shock mounts I used F-
> 250 Shock towers up front(Idea courtesy Steve Meyer) and the little
> stud that comes with ranchos for the bottom with Rancho 9012's in frt
> and in the rear I run 9112's with the same bottom mounts as the front
> and M.O.R.E upper shock extenders. Boomerang Shackles all the way
> around. Oh yeah, you will definitely need a traction bar eventually.
> I had John at Hunter Offroad make one and it worked great. As far as
> steering issues, Im not sure what the CJ guys are doing about that??
> I dont know if the springs would hit the draglink or not, you may
> have to get some Dana 44 knuckles and go hi-steer. And if you step up
> to 35s, youll at least want to get one piece shafts for the rear and
> get the upgraded shafts for the front that use the 297x joint, or you
> could swap in some 60s like I did:), but I dont think you prepared
> yourself for that big of a bill!!
>
> Here are a few links to get the gears turnin.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/jefe/
>
> http://www.jeepaholics.com/tech/SOA/yjomesoa.htm
>
> http://jeepskate.4x4.org/SOA.htm
>
> http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/jeep/
>
> Oh, and when you decide to do it,(I know you will:P) Id be glad to
> help out with the project.
>
> Scott Maiden
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Nichole" <cj7wheelin@h...> wrote:
>
>>Alright guys, I need some suggestions. I can't decide whether I
>
> just
>
>>want new springs for my jeep or if I should go all out and do a
>>spring over. I have heard just a little about both (good and bad).
>
> I
>
>>have put it off long enough.
>>
>>I have a '78 CJ7 with a V8 (so power is not an issue on the road,
>>however this will put more strain on the axels if I'm not
>
> mistaken).
>
>>I am planning on purchasing new tires really soon (per my past post
>>asking your opinion on that) and was going with 33 MTR's, however I
>>had a bug put in my ear to do the spring over and jump to 35's.
>
> FYI:
>
>>I use my jeep 90% of the time for rock crawling and the remaining
>
> 10%
>
>>playing at the dunes (Thanksgiving).
>>
>>I would love to hear all the information you could possibly throw
>
> at
>
>>me! Facts, personal experience, articles, the works. If I do this
>
> I
>
>>will be upgrading A LOT and want to make sure I know all the ins
>
> and
>
>>outs before I throw down a bunch of money (I am all too aware of
>
> the
>
>>can I am opening, I have prepared myself for a big bill).
>>
>>I appreciate any input!
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Nichole
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
--
Darren Richards
Motorola SPS
Advanced Technology Integration Center
phone: 480.413.6013
81946 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 7:02pm
Subject: Re: I need Lift!! This is on topic, get your minds back on jeeps! ; )~
GO FOR THE SPRING OVER! WHEEEE!
Tony "I'm a Sucker for Lift" Nemmer
Nichole wrote:
> Alright guys, I need some suggestions. I can't decide whether I just
> want new springs for my jeep or if I should go all out and do a
> spring over. I have heard just a little about both (good and bad). I
> have put it off long enough.
>
> I have a '78 CJ7 with a V8 (so power is not an issue on the road,
> however this will put more strain on the axels if I'm not mistaken).
> I am planning on purchasing new tires really soon (per my past post
> asking your opinion on that) and was going with 33 MTR's, however I
> had a bug put in my ear to do the spring over and jump to 35's. FYI:
> I use my jeep 90% of the time for rock crawling and the remaining 10%
> playing at the dunes (Thanksgiving).
>
> I would love to hear all the information you could possibly throw at
> me! Facts, personal experience, articles, the works. If I do this I
> will be upgrading A LOT and want to make sure I know all the ins and
> outs before I throw down a bunch of money (I am all too aware of the
> can I am opening, I have prepared myself for a big bill).
>
> I appreciate any input!
>
> Thanks,
> Nichole
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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81947 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:28pm
Subject: [Tech] NP231 - leaking tranny fluid
I have a large leak in my t-case. The fluid comes out of the slip yoke. The more fluid I have in the case the more it will leak until the case is out of tranny fluid. I just replaced the rear out put seal on my np231. looking at th seal it appeared to me the seal was made to keep stuff out not in (this is only a guess i'm still learing jeep). Is there another seal deeper in the t-case that keeps the tranny fluid in? IF so could this repair be done by someone who is learning jeeps? or should I just break down and take it to the shop? Thanks
Jonathan Dexter
81948 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:50pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] NP231 - leaking tranny fluid
Hi Jonathon,
I've torn apart a few 231's and the seal at the output is the only seal on the rear output. The rubber part with the spring goes towards the inside but since there is only one way to press it in you couldn't have gone wrong there. It's possible that it got damaged while you installed it or you may not have the right part number. You may have even lost the little round spring that keeps tension on the rubber part allowing fluid to easily leak out.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:29 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] NP231 - leaking tranny fluid
I have a large leak in my t-case. The fluid comes out of the slip yoke. The more fluid I have in the case the more it will leak until the case is out of tranny fluid. I just replaced the rear out put seal on my np231. looking at th seal it appeared to me the seal was made to keep stuff out not in (this is only a guess i'm still learing jeep). Is there another seal deeper in the t-case that keeps the tranny fluid in? IF so could this repair be done by someone who is learning jeeps? or should I just break down and take it to the shop? Thanks
Jonathan Dexter
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81949 From: JIM CASSADAY <liv2jp@m...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:53pm
Subject: Re: (F S ) 33x12.50 BFG A/T
5 BFG A/T tires 33x12.50 4 at 95% tread the spare is at 100% tread
moving up to 35" mtr tomorrow . $400.00 for all 5 .
call or e mail 480-988-4167 (Gilbert)
liv2jp@msn.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Siade, Randy
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Keith D. Orr; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Gear Install?
I do allot of gear for the club members at the best price I have seen. About 1/2 what 4 wheelers will charge. The only problem I have is I broke my ribs about two weeks ago and will not be able to install them for you for about 2-3 more weeks. If you can what that long I can save you some bucks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith D. Orr [mailto:casper@cybertrails.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:24 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Gear Install?
Hello Gang,
I am ready to have my 4.56 gears installed. I have an 87 XJ with a D30 front, and a D35-non c-clip in the rear. I have the gears and master rebuild kits from Randy's. Can you recommend a good and not too expensive shop in the valley. I have been told that 4wheelers supply is not too bad. I will be delivering the complete vehicle, for the axles are not out. Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks,
Casper
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81950 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:54pm
Subject: [Tech] 99 Wrangler - SYE installed, yet still vibrating
I have a 3 inch RE lift. After installation I had a good amount of vibration, so I had a local shop put in a SYE kit and the new CV style shaft. I still have a lot of vibration between 53-60 miles per hour. Is this normal? I figured the vibrations should be gone completely.
Any advice would be great.
Ryan Finchum
81951 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:00pm
Subject: RE: Re: I need Lift!! This is on topic, get your minds back on jeeps! ; )~
SOA also gives you a nice cadillac ride. A spring under lift will ride
rougher than stock.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Maiden [mailto:bermboy@h...]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:26 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I need Lift!! This is on topic, get your minds
back on jeeps! ; )~
Hey Nichole,
Here is my experience from jumping in over my head and going SOA when
everyone said I shouldnt(couple years ago), while this is all on a
YJ, most of it still applies to yuor jeep. Ill start by sayin soa is
awesome. Right now I am sitting on stock wrangler rear 5 leaf packs
with an addtl main leaf, and it flexes and wheels great.
Here is what I did, I just get the RE spring perches weld them on top
of the axle, leave the fronts parrallel to the old ones but the rears
you will need to tilt up for pinion angle. With a CV shaft, you will
want to point it 1-2 degrees below the t-case output. For brakelines,
talk to Barry at 4 wheelers to get the right parts, he gave me a
great idea and that is to run a single softline to the center of the
axle, then run hardlines to the sides, then softlines to the
calipers, sort of like the rear is done from the factory on vehicles
with rear discs. This allows the use of stock parts since the center
of the axle doesnt droop out near as much as the outsides do, it also
keeps the brakelines out of the tires:). For shock mounts I used F-
250 Shock towers up front(Idea courtesy Steve Meyer) and the little
stud that comes with ranchos for the bottom with Rancho 9012's in frt
and in the rear I run 9112's with the same bottom mounts as the front
and M.O.R.E upper shock extenders. Boomerang Shackles all the way
around. Oh yeah, you will definitely need a traction bar eventually.
I had John at Hunter Offroad make one and it worked great. As far as
steering issues, Im not sure what the CJ guys are doing about that??
I dont know if the springs would hit the draglink or not, you may
have to get some Dana 44 knuckles and go hi-steer. And if you step up
to 35s, youll at least want to get one piece shafts for the rear and
get the upgraded shafts for the front that use the 297x joint, or you
could swap in some 60s like I did:), but I dont think you prepared
yourself for that big of a bill!!
Here are a few links to get the gears turnin.
http://homepage.mac.com/jefe/
http://www.jeepaholics.com/tech/SOA/yjomesoa.htm
http://jeepskate.4x4.org/SOA.htm
http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/jeep/
Oh, and when you decide to do it,(I know you will:P) Id be glad to
help out with the project.
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Nichole" <cj7wheelin@h...> wrote:
> Alright guys, I need some suggestions. I can't decide whether I
just
> want new springs for my jeep or if I should go all out and do a
> spring over. I have heard just a little about both (good and bad).
I
> have put it off long enough.
>
> I have a '78 CJ7 with a V8 (so power is not an issue on the road,
> however this will put more strain on the axels if I'm not
mistaken).
> I am planning on purchasing new tires really soon (per my past post
> asking your opinion on that) and was going with 33 MTR's, however I
> had a bug put in my ear to do the spring over and jump to 35's.
FYI:
> I use my jeep 90% of the time for rock crawling and the remaining
10%
> playing at the dunes (Thanksgiving).
>
> I would love to hear all the information you could possibly throw
at
> me! Facts, personal experience, articles, the works. If I do this
I
> will be upgrading A LOT and want to make sure I know all the ins
and
> outs before I throw down a bunch of money (I am all too aware of
the
> can I am opening, I have prepared myself for a big bill).
>
> I appreciate any input!
>
> Thanks,
> Nichole
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81952 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 8:15pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] 99 Wrangler - SYE installed, yet still vibrating
Ryan,
It sounds like the pinion angle is not set right. You should use an angle finder to check it out. Place the angle finder on the driveshaft and measure the angle. Then rotate the driveshaft until one of the ujoint caps at the pinion is vertical and place a socket inside one of the ujoint caps. Set the angle finder on this socket and measure the angle. The angles ideally should be between 1 degree lower at the pinion than the driveshaft to zero degrees difference. The pinion angle should NEVER be any higher than the driveshaft angle.
With adjustable control arms it's pretty easy to adjust the pinion angle until you get the angles set correctly. An angle finder will set you back about $12 at Home Depot. Attached to this message you will see a picture of correct CV driveshaft geometry as well as what the angle finder looks like.
Regards,
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:54 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] 99 Wrangler - SYE installed, yet still vibrating
I have a 3 inch RE lift. After installation I had a good amount of vibration, so I had a local shop put in a SYE kit and the new CV style shaft. I still have a lot of vibration between 53-60 miles per hour. Is this normal? I figured the vibrations should be gone completely.
Any advice would be great.
Ryan Finchum
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81953 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 8:41pm
Subject: [TR] Box Canyon - Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Mike Hiett is leading a Box Canyon trail run on Wednesday, April 9, 2003.
When: Wednesday the 9th of April
Where: 1st meeting place will be at my house at 8am gilbert and Brown... There will be 1 other at arround 8:30am Gilbert and the freeway at the Texaco carwash next to the tirestore n/w corner and the final meeting place will be at 9am gas statioon at Florfence Junction pullingo out 9:30 am.
Rating: 3.0
Length: 1/2 to 3/4 of a day
CB Channel: 4 FRS 4
I'll be taking a friend from work up Box canyon and maybe up jackhandle or up to the Martinez area depending on how everyone feels.
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