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81875 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 0:44pm
Subject: Re: YJ BUILT ROCK RIG for sale
Gonna by a TJ now??? hehe
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Logan" <rlogan@d...> wrote:
> see classifieds or my gallery richard logan
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81876 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 1:22pm
Subject: [TR] Box Canyon - Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Mike Hiett is leading a Box Canyon trail run on Wednesday, April 9, 2003.
When: Wednesday the 9th of April
Where: 1st meeting place will be at my house at 8am gilbert and Brown... There will be 1 other at arround 9am farther east. stay tuned for more details. :)
Rating: 3.0
Length: 1/2 to 3/4 of a day
CB Channel: 4
I'll be taking a friend from work up Box canyon and maybe up jackhandle or up to the Martinez area depending on how everyone feels.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
81877 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:09pm
Subject: Updated Trainers List
Thanks for the response everyone. I did not add anyone's name that offered
the first time as it was a month ago and things come up. I got several
e-mails that I was missing a name off the first list. I again want to thank
everyone that is taking their time to work at this event. I hope the people
that are coming understand the amount of experience this group represents.
Jim F.
1) Sand Hill: Stu Olson, Steve James, Bill Scheller
2) Baja Course: Randy Davis, Joey K., Steve Slifer
3) Rocks: Rick Norman, Scott Madian, Flexy Joe (if off work), Nasser P.
4) Safety and Prep: John (Hunter), Dave Campbell, Sharky
Again if I missed anyone let me know. I plan to try and coordinate things
and help out where required. Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
81878 From: Anthony Celaya <chaton602@e...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Jeep is no longer going to make the Rubicon!!!
be careful joe with that S.A.R.S out there.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@e...
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> [Original Message]
> From: Daver <daver@i...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 4/2/2003 7:05:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Jeep is no longer going to make the Rubicon!!!
>
> "To the moon, Alice, Pow! One of these days!"
>
> At 09:32 PM 4/2/2003 -0700, intertwingled wrote:
> >
> >I thought Joe West was in Japan. ?
> >
> >hunteroffroad@a... wrote:
> >> Is it just me or is April 1st today? Joe West still going to NASA?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>n a message dated 4/1/2003 7:26:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> >>jcteel1@e... writes:
> >>
> >>>I say we all email this "Kimberley White of Silver City, New Mexico"
> >>>and tell her that she's a complete idiot and has no business with a
> >>>Jeep! I really really hate stupid people and sadly they out number
> >>>us:) I guess the Rubicon will become a collector's item!
> >>>
> >>>For once I think the manufacturer listened to us and then this is
> >>>what happens. I think the Rubicon was a great idea although I can
> >>>think of other mods I would have liked to have seen also (like a
> >>>longer rear driveshaft with a CV).
> >>>
> >>>John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> >>> >This is absolutely insane...
> >>> >
> >>> >"We took it to the Southridge Mall parking lot and tried
> >>> >pulling the little lever and pressing the buttons for the four wheel
> >>> >drive system." she said in an interview, "But it went so slow people
> >>> >were honking at us and when we tried to turn into a parking space it
> >>> >felt like the whole drivetrain just locked up solid and the tires
> >>> >made all these scratching and squealing noises."
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Is it POSSIBLE that people could be so damn stupid? Simply reading
> >>>the
> >>> >owners
> >>> >manual on the Rubicon will prevent this idiocy.
> >>> >
> >>> >I hope this is some kind of sick joke... an April fools thing...
> >>> >Even the worst lawyer in the world could defend this kind of case.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Kind Regards,
> >>> >
> >>> >Joe West
>
>
>
>
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>
81879 From: Anthony Celaya <chaton602@e...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:24pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the chances of stripping the gears on 4:88's with a 4.0 are high. I was told that from a member of the "Lo-Rangers" . I don't know much about that area of the jeep but I'm ready to learn.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West
To: AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com
Sent: 4/1/2003 10:09:48 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cody,
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Go to bed!
As far as your questions go... I would recommend that you put 4.88's in your rig. There are some discussions about the pinion being too small on the 4.88:1 gearset which could lead to failure... however; I have yet to hear of a single instance of this happening. I installed 4.56:1 gears in my rig and if I had to do it over; I'd go with 4.88:1 or even 5.13:1 (I have D44s... you could not get 5.13:1 for your rig)
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, im graduating HS in like two months and want to make my jeep an off road machine can, can i put 4.88 R&P set in my stock Dana 30, Dana 35. Is their a major downfall or reason not too. or should put a 4.56 ratio in there. i have a 2.5 litre, ust trying to mil all of the power i can out of it. thanks for your help.
Cody Duran
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81880 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:26pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have put allot of 4:88s in Dana 30s and have not seen that problem yet. I would not go lower then 4:88s though as you are correct they pinion gets really small on a 5:13 and very week. There really is not a big difference in size between a 4:56 pinion gear and a 4:88.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Celaya [mailto:chaton602@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:25 PM
To: codyd2003@hotmail.com; AzVJC; Joe West; Siade, Randy
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the chances of stripping the gears on 4:88's with a 4.0 are high. I was told that from a member of the "Lo-Rangers" . I don't know much about that area of the jeep but I'm ready to learn.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West
To: AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com
Sent: 4/1/2003 10:09:48 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cody,
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Go to bed!
As far as your questions go... I would recommend that you put 4.88's in your rig. There are some discussions about the pinion being too small on the 4.88:1 gearset which could lead to failure... however; I have yet to hear of a single instance of this happening. I installed 4.56:1 gears in my rig and if I had to do it over; I'd go with 4.88:1 or even 5.13:1 (I have D44s... you could not get 5.13:1 for your rig)
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, im graduating HS in like two months and want to make my jeep an off road machine can, can i put 4.88 R&P set in my stock Dana 30, Dana 35. Is their a major downfall or reason not too. or should put a 4.56 ratio in there. i have a 2.5 litre, ust trying to mil all of the power i can out of it. thanks for your help.
Cody Duran
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81881 From: Anthony Celaya <chaton602@e...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:45pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks randy, I was curious about that. do you have to change the carrier if you go any lower as well?
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
united we stand, divided we fall!
----- Original Message -----
From: Siade, Randy
To: Joe West;AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com;chaton602@earthli nk.net
Sent: 4/2/2003 4:26:58 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have put allot of 4:88s in Dana 30s and have not seen that problem yet. I would not go lower then 4:88s though as you are correct they pinion gets really small on a 5:13 and very week. There really is not a big difference in size between a 4:56 pinion gear and a 4:88.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Celaya [mailto:chaton602@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:25 PM
To: codyd2003@hotmail.com; AzVJC; Joe West; Siade, Randy
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the chances of stripping the gears on 4:88's with a 4.0 are high. I was told that from a member of the "Lo-Rangers" . I don't know much about that area of the jeep but I'm ready to learn.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West
To: AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com
Sent: 4/1/2003 10:09:48 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cody,
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Go to bed!
As far as your questions go... I would recommend that you put 4.88's in your rig. There are some discussions about the pinion being too small on the 4.88:1 gearset which could lead to failure... however; I have yet to hear of a single instance of this happening. I installed 4.56:1 gears in my rig and if I had to do it over; I'd go with 4.88:1 or even 5.13:1 (I have D44s... you could not get 5.13:1 for your rig)
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, im graduating HS in like two months and want to make my jeep an off road machine can, can i put 4.88 R&P set in my stock Dana 30, Dana 35. Is their a major downfall or reason not too. or should put a 4.56 ratio in there. i have a 2.5 litre, ust trying to mil all of the power i can out of it. thanks for your help.
Cody Duran
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81882 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 4:01pm
Subject:
Anybody have spacers they want to part with?
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
81883 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 5:09pm
Subject: coil spring spacers
Anyone have any coil spring spacers? I need a set, and I thought I would check here first………………….
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
81884 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 5:36pm
Subject: RE: Brake hoses
Tom,
Will this machine do stainless type braided lines? Can it be used to create
air lines?
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:15 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Brake hoses
I have an opportunity to get in on a business venture involving a DOT
approved brake hose manufacturing machine. It will do braided teflon and
conventional rubber hoses. After crimping, the hoses are tested to
3000PSI for two minutes. Old ends can be reused or new ends can often be
obtained. ANY combination of fitting can be installed to user
specification. Provided the pricing to end users is within reason, do
you feel this would be a good venture to get involved with? We would
sell locally as well as over the internet.
Tom LaFrance
--------------------------
Semper Leafus Springius
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81885 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 5:44pm
Subject: RE: Considering getting a TJ
Kent,
If you get the D44 rear axle, you get the 3.73 gears. When I purchased my
TJ... I was forced to get the 30 tire package with the Dana 44 rear axle;
I'm not sure if this is still true. Regardless... whatever you do;
definitely get the Dana 44 in the rear. You are correct that the newest
transmission is the NV3550 and I'm thinking (but I am not absolutely sure)
that the first year for this transmission was 2000.
There are TONS of TJ resource pages... just do a google search for TJ and
you will be overwhelmed. Our own Chris Krieg and Stu Olson have great
pages...
The auto transmission is a preference thing... if you like automatics; get
it. If you like to shift; get the manual. I personally prefer the manual
transmission... but plenty of people like automatics.
Pearls of wisdom:
Make sure your rig has the following options:
Dana 44 rear axle
Air conditioning
Don't waste your money on the Sahara package.
If you can afford it; GET THE RUBICON... it IS by and large; the absolute
best of all worlds... you CANNOT build a rig like the Rubicon for less money
than the Rubicon costs (assuming you can get the Rubicon at invoice).
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:01 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Considering getting a TJ
Hey all,
I am considering getting a TJ pretty soon, to be a light trail
wheeler/daily driver. It's not that I don't love my CJ, but I would
like to actually go on a trail run every now and then, instead of sit
in the garage and try and put the CJ back together.
Don't know much about TJs though, so I have a couple questions. Is
the D44 rear axle part of a package or a stand alone option? Does
the trailer towing package get you 3.73 gears? Someone told that the
5 speed that is used now is a NV3550, what year did they start
putting those in. Any TJ resource pages? Is the auto that is
offered any good? Does it have an overdirve? Any other pearls of
wisdom?
Thanx
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81886 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 5:44pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anthony,
No doubt, someone has broken a few 4.88 gear sets somewhere along the way. However, this has been discussed at length on a number of on-line forums and the question was simple&. If you have broken a set of 4.88 gears, please post the details here. Hundreds and hundreds of people viewed the thread and there were no first hand experiences posted. However, as always, the son of my ex-wifes great uncle had a room mate in college whos girl friends younger brothers best friend knew someone in the 4WD club that heard a guy in the next county broke a set.
Anything can break, but the hype given to 4.88 gears being too small and popping is more of a wives tale than a factual piece of information.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Celaya [mailto:chaton602@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:25 PM
To: codyd2003@hotmail.com; AzVJC; Joe West; Siade Randy
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the chances of stripping the gears on 4:88's with a 4.0 are high. I was told that from a member of the "Lo-Rangers" . I don't know much about that area of the jeep but I'm ready to learn.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West
To: AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com
Sent: 4/1/2003 10:09:48 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cody,
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Go to bed!
As far as your questions go... I would recommend that you put 4.88's in your rig. There are some discussions about the pinion being too small on the 4.88:1 gearset which could lead to failure... however; I have yet to hear of a single instance of this happening. I installed 4.56:1 gears in my rig and if I had to do it over; I'd go with 4.88:1 or even 5.13:1 (I have D44s... you could not get 5.13:1 for your rig)
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, im graduating HS in like two months and want to make my jeep an off road machine can, can i put 4.88 R&P set in my stock Dana 30, Dana 35. Is their a major downfall or reason not too. or should put a 4.56 ratio in there. i have a 2.5 litre, ust trying to mil all of the power i can out of it. thanks for your help.
Cody Duran
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81887 From: Mike H. <hiett710@y...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 5:53pm
Subject: Re: Considering getting a TJ
My 02 TJ came with D44 and 225 75 15's for tires and 3.73 gears.
Mike H.
\
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> Kent,
>
> If you get the D44 rear axle, you get the 3.73 gears. When I
purchased my
> TJ... I was forced to get the 30 tire package with the Dana 44 rear
axle;
> I'm not sure if this is still true. Regardless... whatever you do;
> definitely get the Dana 44 in the rear. You are correct that the
newest
> transmission is the NV3550 and I'm thinking (but I am not
absolutely sure)
> that the first year for this transmission was 2000.
>
> There are TONS of TJ resource pages... just do a google search for
TJ and
> you will be overwhelmed. Our own Chris Krieg and Stu Olson have
great
> pages...
>
> The auto transmission is a preference thing... if you like
automatics; get
> it. If you like to shift; get the manual. I personally prefer the
manual
> transmission... but plenty of people like automatics.
>
> Pearls of wisdom:
>
> Make sure your rig has the following options:
>
> Dana 44 rear axle
> Air conditioning
>
> Don't waste your money on the Sahara package.
>
> If you can afford it; GET THE RUBICON... it IS by and large; the
absolute
> best of all worlds... you CANNOT build a rig like the Rubicon for
less money
> than the Rubicon costs (assuming you can get the Rubicon at
invoice).
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:01 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Considering getting a TJ
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> I am considering getting a TJ pretty soon, to be a light trail
> wheeler/daily driver. It's not that I don't love my CJ, but I would
> like to actually go on a trail run every now and then, instead of
sit
> in the garage and try and put the CJ back together.
>
> Don't know much about TJs though, so I have a couple questions. Is
> the D44 rear axle part of a package or a stand alone option? Does
> the trailer towing package get you 3.73 gears? Someone told that
the
> 5 speed that is used now is a NV3550, what year did they start
> putting those in. Any TJ resource pages? Is the auto that is
> offered any good? Does it have an overdirve? Any other pearls of
> wisdom?
>
> Thanx
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
81888 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 5:58pm
Subject: Re: Considering getting a TJ
Thanks Joe.
My site is:
http://www.arizonatj.com
Stu's site is:
http://www.stu-offroad.com
Chris
On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 06:44 PM, Joe West wrote:
> Kent,
>
> If you get the D44 rear axle, you get the 3.73 gears. When I
> purchased my
> TJ... I was forced to get the 30 tire package with the Dana 44 rear
> axle;
> I'm not sure if this is still true. Regardless... whatever you do;
> definitely get the Dana 44 in the rear. You are correct that the
> newest
> transmission is the NV3550 and I'm thinking (but I am not absolutely
> sure)
> that the first year for this transmission was 2000.
>
> There are TONS of TJ resource pages... just do a google search for TJ
> and
> you will be overwhelmed. Our own Chris Krieg and Stu Olson have great
> pages...
>
> The auto transmission is a preference thing... if you like automatics;
> get
> it. If you like to shift; get the manual. I personally prefer the
> manual
> transmission... but plenty of people like automatics.
>
> Pearls of wisdom:
>
> Make sure your rig has the following options:
>
> Dana 44 rear axle
> Air conditioning
>
> Don't waste your money on the Sahara package.
>
> If you can afford it; GET THE RUBICON... it IS by and large; the
> absolute
> best of all worlds... you CANNOT build a rig like the Rubicon for less
> money
> than the Rubicon costs (assuming you can get the Rubicon at invoice).
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:01 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Considering getting a TJ
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> I am considering getting a TJ pretty soon, to be a light trail
> wheeler/daily driver. It's not that I don't love my CJ, but I would
> like to actually go on a trail run every now and then, instead of sit
> in the garage and try and put the CJ back together.
>
> Don't know much about TJs though, so I have a couple questions. Is
> the D44 rear axle part of a package or a stand alone option? Does
> the trailer towing package get you 3.73 gears? Someone told that the
> 5 speed that is used now is a NV3550, what year did they start
> putting those in. Any TJ resource pages? Is the auto that is
> offered any good? Does it have an overdirve? Any other pearls of
> wisdom?
>
> Thanx
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
81889 From: Duffy Ladd <dladd5@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 6:38pm
Subject: Ried Call Duffy
Reid call Duffy when you get a chance.
I need to talk to you!
Duffy 602-524-6810
81890 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 6:41pm
Subject: [TR] Sunflower Mine Loop - Saturday, April 5, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Brad Rogers is leading a Sunflower Mine Loop trail run on Saturday, April 5, 2003.
When: 8:00am Meet at last gas station on Hwy. 87 heading towards Payson; across from Casino (just past Fountain Hills)
Where: SunFlower Mine Loop
Rating: 3.5-
Length: Most of the day
CB Channel: 4
We had such a good trip the first time I just thought it would be fun to take a group up. Great adventure trip where you can try out your rock gaurds as well as your camera skills. If the creek is flowing your in for a wet ride, as well as some mine discovery. I believe we checked out 6 mines that were at least 100 yds long each, so bring a spot light because a flash light just doesn't cut it. Also bring some sandwiches because the trip can take a while if your into the mine thing.
The Sunflower Mine Loop is a fun trail that offers a little something for everyone. It takes 3 – 4 hours to complete allowing for time to poke around and explore. The loop starts as an easy 2.5 trail that winds along a hillside and slowly descends into the canyon. After crossing a bridge you continue up the canyon until you arrive at the Sunflower Mine site. The mine’s processing building is still standing and is in decent shape. Stock vehicles can make this section of the loop easily, however the next section requires higher ground clearance and aggressive tires.
After leaving the mine the trails continues up a shady canyon becoming more tight and challenging as it runs across and up a rocky creek bed. The bed is usually dry but can be very slippery when water is running. After awhile you make a hard right turn up a steep rock wall obstacle and continue to climb a loose rocky road out of the canyon and into the pines and junipers. At the top the trail continues with some washed out sections, passes a couple of more mine shafts, and gradually becomes easier as you return to the loops starting point.
Remember to pack water, a lunch, and bring your camera.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
81891 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 6:53pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
For clarification we were not using Hunters ramp at the BBQ right?
I am trying the clear this up so that we are on the outlook for the right
ramp.
PS where is the paypal account?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@qwest.net>
To: "'Joe West'" <joe.west@synopsys.com>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> Come on folks....there were 50+ people who used that ramp at the last
> BBQ...I've no idea how many on the previous one. I am thinking that we
> can do better than $120 + some uncollected donations! I remember there
> being a number of Jackson sized pledges that quickly followed Joe's
> initial post. No one is asking you to match those (unless you wish
> to)....but if you could kick in a few bucks, John would appreciate it
> very much. (and I am sure many club members would as well)
>
> If someone wishes to make a ramp contribution while attending the 4WD
> clinic this Saturday (at the White Tanks), you can catch me there and
> I'll ensure that Joe gets the money. Just put it in an envelope and
> write RAMP FUND on it (your name is optional) and I'll pass them on to
> JoeW when he returns home.
>
> Thanks to all!
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@synopsys.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:17 PM
> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; airbornexj@aol.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
> Actually... I was thinking that we could help John set it at an accurate
> angle... something a little better than:
> "It's somewhere around 26 degrees... plus or minus... ummmm...errrrr...
> 10
> degrees"
> <grin>
>
> I haven't yet spoken with John... but as soon as I do; I'll let everyone
> know what he wants to do about rebuilding the ramp.
> We have somewhere in the neighborhood of $120 donated via Paypal so far
> and
> a few members who don't use paypal still left to donate.
>
> I think that Rick Beer will donate the wheels and tires for it... and I
> will
> pitch in for John's labor to build it (I don't know how many hours of
> labor
> he had in the last one, but I'd like to pay for his time if he wants to
> build the next one without any help (not sure his insurance would cover
> other people using his equipment at his shop so he may have to do the
> work
> himself).
>
> Thanks everyone! I think after the new ramp is built; we should have a
> Ramp
> party (any excuse to get together with a bunch of Jeepers <grin>)
>
> If there are still people who want to donate to the ramp fund... please
> paypal whatever you like to:
>
> arizonajeep@cox.net
>
> Please remember that I cannot accept credit cards.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> (Coming home from Tokyo this Friday! WOOOOO HOOOOOO)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@msn.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: airbornexj@aol.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
>
>
> LOL.....maybe he was just thinking of shooting the theives while he was
> writing it. Joe W, you should post up the ramp building party on the
> site....
>
> We can make this ramp longer and steeper so that Troy wont be able to
> drive
> over the top anymore :) lol
>
>
> Frank
> BadAzXJ@msn.com
> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ/badazxj.msnw
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: airbornexj@aol.com
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:36:38 -0500
> >
> >Since John can't see through the tears of joy and sent this to the gun
> >club, I'll forward this on to everyone in the Jeep club LOL
> >
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81892 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 1:54pm
Subject: Thasnks Duffy
A big thanks to Dufster for the new cage work...its awesome, thanks bro
Sharky
81893 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 6:59pm
Subject: RE: Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
Correct that was 4 wheelers ramp that we used at the BBQ. Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:54 PM
To: 'Joe West'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
For clarification we were not using Hunters ramp at the BBQ right?
I am trying the clear this up so that we are on the outlook for the right
ramp.
PS where is the paypal account?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Joe West'" <joe.west@s...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> Come on folks....there were 50+ people who used that ramp at the last
> BBQ...I've no idea how many on the previous one. I am thinking that we
> can do better than $120 + some uncollected donations! I remember there
> being a number of Jackson sized pledges that quickly followed Joe's
> initial post. No one is asking you to match those (unless you wish
> to)....but if you could kick in a few bucks, John would appreciate it
> very much. (and I am sure many club members would as well)
>
> If someone wishes to make a ramp contribution while attending the 4WD
> clinic this Saturday (at the White Tanks), you can catch me there and
> I'll ensure that Joe gets the money. Just put it in an envelope and
> write RAMP FUND on it (your name is optional) and I'll pass them on to
> JoeW when he returns home.
>
> Thanks to all!
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:17 PM
> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; airbornexj@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
> Actually... I was thinking that we could help John set it at an accurate
> angle... something a little better than:
> "It's somewhere around 26 degrees... plus or minus... ummmm...errrrr...
> 10
> degrees"
> <grin>
>
> I haven't yet spoken with John... but as soon as I do; I'll let everyone
> know what he wants to do about rebuilding the ramp.
> We have somewhere in the neighborhood of $120 donated via Paypal so far
> and
> a few members who don't use paypal still left to donate.
>
> I think that Rick Beer will donate the wheels and tires for it... and I
> will
> pitch in for John's labor to build it (I don't know how many hours of
> labor
> he had in the last one, but I'd like to pay for his time if he wants to
> build the next one without any help (not sure his insurance would cover
> other people using his equipment at his shop so he may have to do the
> work
> himself).
>
> Thanks everyone! I think after the new ramp is built; we should have a
> Ramp
> party (any excuse to get together with a bunch of Jeepers <grin>)
>
> If there are still people who want to donate to the ramp fund... please
> paypal whatever you like to:
>
> arizonajeep@c...
>
> Please remember that I cannot accept credit cards.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> (Coming home from Tokyo this Friday! WOOOOO HOOOOOO)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: airbornexj@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
>
>
> LOL.....maybe he was just thinking of shooting the theives while he was
> writing it. Joe W, you should post up the ramp building party on the
> site....
>
> We can make this ramp longer and steeper so that Troy wont be able to
> drive
> over the top anymore :) lol
>
>
> Frank
> BadAzXJ@m...
> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ/badazxj.msnw
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: airbornexj@a...
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:36:38 -0500
> >
> >Since John can't see through the tears of joy and sent this to the gun
> >club, I'll forward this on to everyone in the Jeep club LOL
> >
> >
> >
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81894 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 7:05pm
Subject: RE: Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
Hi Donald,
It depends on which BBQ you are talking about... we used 4 Wheeler's ramp at
the last BBQ and we used John's ramp
at the BBQ before last.
If you want to paypal some assistance to support John in replacing his
stolen ramp... you can paypal funds to:
arizonajeep@c...
Anything that anyone can send will be much appreciated.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:54 PM
To: 'Joe West'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
For clarification we were not using Hunters ramp at the BBQ right?
I am trying the clear this up so that we are on the outlook for the right
ramp.
PS where is the paypal account?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Joe West'" <joe.west@s...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> Come on folks....there were 50+ people who used that ramp at the last
> BBQ...I've no idea how many on the previous one. I am thinking that we
> can do better than $120 + some uncollected donations! I remember there
> being a number of Jackson sized pledges that quickly followed Joe's
> initial post. No one is asking you to match those (unless you wish
> to)....but if you could kick in a few bucks, John would appreciate it
> very much. (and I am sure many club members would as well)
>
> If someone wishes to make a ramp contribution while attending the 4WD
> clinic this Saturday (at the White Tanks), you can catch me there and
> I'll ensure that Joe gets the money. Just put it in an envelope and
> write RAMP FUND on it (your name is optional) and I'll pass them on to
> JoeW when he returns home.
>
> Thanks to all!
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:17 PM
> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; airbornexj@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
> Actually... I was thinking that we could help John set it at an accurate
> angle... something a little better than:
> "It's somewhere around 26 degrees... plus or minus... ummmm...errrrr...
> 10
> degrees"
> <grin>
>
> I haven't yet spoken with John... but as soon as I do; I'll let everyone
> know what he wants to do about rebuilding the ramp.
> We have somewhere in the neighborhood of $120 donated via Paypal so far
> and
> a few members who don't use paypal still left to donate.
>
> I think that Rick Beer will donate the wheels and tires for it... and I
> will
> pitch in for John's labor to build it (I don't know how many hours of
> labor
> he had in the last one, but I'd like to pay for his time if he wants to
> build the next one without any help (not sure his insurance would cover
> other people using his equipment at his shop so he may have to do the
> work
> himself).
>
> Thanks everyone! I think after the new ramp is built; we should have a
> Ramp
> party (any excuse to get together with a bunch of Jeepers <grin>)
>
> If there are still people who want to donate to the ramp fund... please
> paypal whatever you like to:
>
> arizonajeep@c...
>
> Please remember that I cannot accept credit cards.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> (Coming home from Tokyo this Friday! WOOOOO HOOOOOO)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: airbornexj@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
>
>
> LOL.....maybe he was just thinking of shooting the theives while he was
> writing it. Joe W, you should post up the ramp building party on the
> site....
>
> We can make this ramp longer and steeper so that Troy wont be able to
> drive
> over the top anymore :) lol
>
>
> Frank
> BadAzXJ@m...
> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ/badazxj.msnw
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: airbornexj@a...
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:36:38 -0500
> >
> >Since John can't see through the tears of joy and sent this to the gun
> >club, I'll forward this on to everyone in the Jeep club LOL
> >
> >
> >
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81895 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 7:06pm
Subject: RE: Thasnks Duffy
Well.... are you going to SHOW US???
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Thasnks Duffy
A big thanks to Dufster for the new cage work...its awesome, thanks bro
Sharky
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81896 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 7:07pm
Subject: RE: Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
And the e-mail address for the ramp fund is:
arizonajeep@c...
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:00 PM
To: Donald Whitehead; 'Joe West'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Stu Olson
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
Correct that was 4 wheelers ramp that we used at the BBQ. Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:54 PM
To: 'Joe West'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
For clarification we were not using Hunters ramp at the BBQ right?
I am trying the clear this up so that we are on the outlook for the
right
ramp.
PS where is the paypal account?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Joe West'" <joe.west@s...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> Come on folks....there were 50+ people who used that ramp at the last
> BBQ...I've no idea how many on the previous one. I am thinking that
we
> can do better than $120 + some uncollected donations! I remember
there
> being a number of Jackson sized pledges that quickly followed Joe's
> initial post. No one is asking you to match those (unless you wish
> to)....but if you could kick in a few bucks, John would appreciate it
> very much. (and I am sure many club members would as well)
>
> If someone wishes to make a ramp contribution while attending the 4WD
> clinic this Saturday (at the White Tanks), you can catch me there and
> I'll ensure that Joe gets the money. Just put it in an envelope and
> write RAMP FUND on it (your name is optional) and I'll pass them on to
> JoeW when he returns home.
>
> Thanks to all!
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:17 PM
> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; airbornexj@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
> Actually... I was thinking that we could help John set it at an
accurate
> angle... something a little better than:
> "It's somewhere around 26 degrees... plus or minus...
ummmm...errrrr...
> 10
> degrees"
> <grin>
>
> I haven't yet spoken with John... but as soon as I do; I'll let
everyone
> know what he wants to do about rebuilding the ramp.
> We have somewhere in the neighborhood of $120 donated via Paypal so
far
> and
> a few members who don't use paypal still left to donate.
>
> I think that Rick Beer will donate the wheels and tires for it... and
I
> will
> pitch in for John's labor to build it (I don't know how many hours of
> labor
> he had in the last one, but I'd like to pay for his time if he wants
to
> build the next one without any help (not sure his insurance would
cover
> other people using his equipment at his shop so he may have to do the
> work
> himself).
>
> Thanks everyone! I think after the new ramp is built; we should have
a
> Ramp
> party (any excuse to get together with a bunch of Jeepers <grin>)
>
> If there are still people who want to donate to the ramp fund...
please
> paypal whatever you like to:
>
> arizonajeep@c...
>
> Please remember that I cannot accept credit cards.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> (Coming home from Tokyo this Friday! WOOOOO HOOOOOO)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: airbornexj@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
>
>
> LOL.....maybe he was just thinking of shooting the theives while he
was
> writing it. Joe W, you should post up the ramp building party on the
> site....
>
> We can make this ramp longer and steeper so that Troy wont be able to
> drive
> over the top anymore :) lol
>
>
> Frank
> BadAzXJ@m...
> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ/badazxj.msnw
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: airbornexj@a...
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:36:38 -0500
> >
> >Since John can't see through the tears of joy and sent this to the
gun
> >club, I'll forward this on to everyone in the Jeep club LOL
> >
> >
> >
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81897 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 7:48pm
Subject: Squeaky belt
This is only off topic because it's about a Ford Explorer. My buddy who likes my Jeep (only said to keep it Jeep related) has an Explorer. Every time it rains or he washes his truck his belt squeaks for 1-5 minutes depending on how wet it is. The belt is as tight as it should be, but we're not sure what else it could be. Is there a way to fix this or does he just have to "deal with it"? He's trying to sell it so he's working out this little kink to avoid someone not buying it on account of it squeaking. TIA guys/gals.
~Wade
'97 "Blue Cactus" TJ
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81898 From: Anthony Celaya <chaton602@e...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 8:01pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll respond to you off the board.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
united we stand, divided we fall!
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: AzVJC
Sent: 4/2/2003 6:44:50 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anthony,
No doubt, someone has broken a few 4.88 gear sets somewhere along the way. However, this has been discussed at length on a number of on-line forums and the question was simple….”If you have broken a set of 4.88 gears, please post the details here.” Hundreds and hundreds of people viewed the thread and there were no first hand experiences posted. However, as always, the son of my ex-wife’s great uncle had a room mate in college who’s girl friend’s younger brother’s best friend knew someone in the 4WD club that heard a guy in the next county broke a set.
Anything can break, but the hype given to 4.88 gears being too small and popping is more of a wives tale than a factual piece of information.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Celaya [mailto:chaton602@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:25 PM
To: codyd2003@hotmail.com; AzVJC; Joe West; Siade Randy
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the chances of stripping the gears on 4:88's with a 4.0 are high. I was told that from a member of the "Lo-Rangers" . I don't know much about that area of the jeep but I'm ready to learn.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West
To: AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com
Sent: 4/1/2003 10:09:48 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cody,
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Go to bed!
As far as your questions go... I would recommend that you put 4.88's in your rig. There are some discussions about the pinion being too small on the 4.88:1 gearset which could lead to failure... however; I have yet to hear of a single instance of this happening. I installed 4.56:1 gears in my rig and if I had to do it over; I'd go with 4.88:1 or even 5.13:1 (I have D44s... you could not get 5.13:1 for your rig)
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, im graduating HS in like two months and want to make my jeep an off road machine can, can i put 4.88 R&P set in my stock Dana 30, Dana 35. Is their a major downfall or reason not too. or should put a 4.56 ratio in there. i have a 2.5 litre, ust trying to mil all of the power i can out of it. thanks for your help.
Cody Duran
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81899 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 7:19pm
Subject: RE: Rough starting YJ
Most likely a fuel delivery problem. Fuel pump.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Smitty [mailto:jeepinsmitty@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:14 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Rough starting YJ
I need some help here..
My 95 YJ 2.5L, has begun to act up. It is very hard to start. It will crank but it will not fire right off. Sometimes it will take five minutes to get it to fire. I just changed the Distributor cap and rotor to see if that was it. but it is still doing it. I checked the spark plugs (Bosch Platinum) they look fine but they are over a year old. My next step is going to be new Sparkplug wires. Am I heading in the right direction. Could it be a Fuel pump? Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Smitty
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81875 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 0:44pm
Subject: Re: YJ BUILT ROCK RIG for sale
Gonna by a TJ now??? hehe
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Logan" <rlogan@d...> wrote:
> see classifieds or my gallery richard logan
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81876 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 1:22pm
Subject: [TR] Box Canyon - Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Mike Hiett is leading a Box Canyon trail run on Wednesday, April 9, 2003.
When: Wednesday the 9th of April
Where: 1st meeting place will be at my house at 8am gilbert and Brown... There will be 1 other at arround 9am farther east. stay tuned for more details. :)
Rating: 3.0
Length: 1/2 to 3/4 of a day
CB Channel: 4
I'll be taking a friend from work up Box canyon and maybe up jackhandle or up to the Martinez area depending on how everyone feels.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
81877 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:09pm
Subject: Updated Trainers List
Thanks for the response everyone. I did not add anyone's name that offered
the first time as it was a month ago and things come up. I got several
e-mails that I was missing a name off the first list. I again want to thank
everyone that is taking their time to work at this event. I hope the people
that are coming understand the amount of experience this group represents.
Jim F.
1) Sand Hill: Stu Olson, Steve James, Bill Scheller
2) Baja Course: Randy Davis, Joey K., Steve Slifer
3) Rocks: Rick Norman, Scott Madian, Flexy Joe (if off work), Nasser P.
4) Safety and Prep: John (Hunter), Dave Campbell, Sharky
Again if I missed anyone let me know. I plan to try and coordinate things
and help out where required. Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
81878 From: Anthony Celaya <chaton602@e...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Jeep is no longer going to make the Rubicon!!!
be careful joe with that S.A.R.S out there.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@e...
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> [Original Message]
> From: Daver <daver@i...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 4/2/2003 7:05:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Jeep is no longer going to make the Rubicon!!!
>
> "To the moon, Alice, Pow! One of these days!"
>
> At 09:32 PM 4/2/2003 -0700, intertwingled wrote:
> >
> >I thought Joe West was in Japan. ?
> >
> >hunteroffroad@a... wrote:
> >> Is it just me or is April 1st today? Joe West still going to NASA?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>n a message dated 4/1/2003 7:26:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> >>jcteel1@e... writes:
> >>
> >>>I say we all email this "Kimberley White of Silver City, New Mexico"
> >>>and tell her that she's a complete idiot and has no business with a
> >>>Jeep! I really really hate stupid people and sadly they out number
> >>>us:) I guess the Rubicon will become a collector's item!
> >>>
> >>>For once I think the manufacturer listened to us and then this is
> >>>what happens. I think the Rubicon was a great idea although I can
> >>>think of other mods I would have liked to have seen also (like a
> >>>longer rear driveshaft with a CV).
> >>>
> >>>John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> >>> >This is absolutely insane...
> >>> >
> >>> >"We took it to the Southridge Mall parking lot and tried
> >>> >pulling the little lever and pressing the buttons for the four wheel
> >>> >drive system." she said in an interview, "But it went so slow people
> >>> >were honking at us and when we tried to turn into a parking space it
> >>> >felt like the whole drivetrain just locked up solid and the tires
> >>> >made all these scratching and squealing noises."
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Is it POSSIBLE that people could be so damn stupid? Simply reading
> >>>the
> >>> >owners
> >>> >manual on the Rubicon will prevent this idiocy.
> >>> >
> >>> >I hope this is some kind of sick joke... an April fools thing...
> >>> >Even the worst lawyer in the world could defend this kind of case.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Kind Regards,
> >>> >
> >>> >Joe West
>
>
>
>
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>
81879 From: Anthony Celaya <chaton602@e...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:24pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the chances of stripping the gears on 4:88's with a 4.0 are high. I was told that from a member of the "Lo-Rangers" . I don't know much about that area of the jeep but I'm ready to learn.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West
To: AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com
Sent: 4/1/2003 10:09:48 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cody,
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Go to bed!
As far as your questions go... I would recommend that you put 4.88's in your rig. There are some discussions about the pinion being too small on the 4.88:1 gearset which could lead to failure... however; I have yet to hear of a single instance of this happening. I installed 4.56:1 gears in my rig and if I had to do it over; I'd go with 4.88:1 or even 5.13:1 (I have D44s... you could not get 5.13:1 for your rig)
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, im graduating HS in like two months and want to make my jeep an off road machine can, can i put 4.88 R&P set in my stock Dana 30, Dana 35. Is their a major downfall or reason not too. or should put a 4.56 ratio in there. i have a 2.5 litre, ust trying to mil all of the power i can out of it. thanks for your help.
Cody Duran
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81880 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:26pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have put allot of 4:88s in Dana 30s and have not seen that problem yet. I would not go lower then 4:88s though as you are correct they pinion gets really small on a 5:13 and very week. There really is not a big difference in size between a 4:56 pinion gear and a 4:88.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Celaya [mailto:chaton602@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:25 PM
To: codyd2003@hotmail.com; AzVJC; Joe West; Siade, Randy
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the chances of stripping the gears on 4:88's with a 4.0 are high. I was told that from a member of the "Lo-Rangers" . I don't know much about that area of the jeep but I'm ready to learn.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West
To: AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com
Sent: 4/1/2003 10:09:48 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cody,
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Go to bed!
As far as your questions go... I would recommend that you put 4.88's in your rig. There are some discussions about the pinion being too small on the 4.88:1 gearset which could lead to failure... however; I have yet to hear of a single instance of this happening. I installed 4.56:1 gears in my rig and if I had to do it over; I'd go with 4.88:1 or even 5.13:1 (I have D44s... you could not get 5.13:1 for your rig)
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, im graduating HS in like two months and want to make my jeep an off road machine can, can i put 4.88 R&P set in my stock Dana 30, Dana 35. Is their a major downfall or reason not too. or should put a 4.56 ratio in there. i have a 2.5 litre, ust trying to mil all of the power i can out of it. thanks for your help.
Cody Duran
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81881 From: Anthony Celaya <chaton602@e...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:45pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks randy, I was curious about that. do you have to change the carrier if you go any lower as well?
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
united we stand, divided we fall!
----- Original Message -----
From: Siade, Randy
To: Joe West;AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com;chaton602@earthli nk.net
Sent: 4/2/2003 4:26:58 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have put allot of 4:88s in Dana 30s and have not seen that problem yet. I would not go lower then 4:88s though as you are correct they pinion gets really small on a 5:13 and very week. There really is not a big difference in size between a 4:56 pinion gear and a 4:88.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Celaya [mailto:chaton602@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:25 PM
To: codyd2003@hotmail.com; AzVJC; Joe West; Siade, Randy
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the chances of stripping the gears on 4:88's with a 4.0 are high. I was told that from a member of the "Lo-Rangers" . I don't know much about that area of the jeep but I'm ready to learn.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West
To: AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com
Sent: 4/1/2003 10:09:48 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cody,
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Go to bed!
As far as your questions go... I would recommend that you put 4.88's in your rig. There are some discussions about the pinion being too small on the 4.88:1 gearset which could lead to failure... however; I have yet to hear of a single instance of this happening. I installed 4.56:1 gears in my rig and if I had to do it over; I'd go with 4.88:1 or even 5.13:1 (I have D44s... you could not get 5.13:1 for your rig)
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, im graduating HS in like two months and want to make my jeep an off road machine can, can i put 4.88 R&P set in my stock Dana 30, Dana 35. Is their a major downfall or reason not too. or should put a 4.56 ratio in there. i have a 2.5 litre, ust trying to mil all of the power i can out of it. thanks for your help.
Cody Duran
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81882 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 4:01pm
Subject:
Anybody have spacers they want to part with?
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
81883 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 5:09pm
Subject: coil spring spacers
Anyone have any coil spring spacers? I need a set, and I thought I would check here first………………….
2000TJ 4" Teraflex 33's
other custom stuff
81884 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 5:36pm
Subject: RE: Brake hoses
Tom,
Will this machine do stainless type braided lines? Can it be used to create
air lines?
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:15 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Brake hoses
I have an opportunity to get in on a business venture involving a DOT
approved brake hose manufacturing machine. It will do braided teflon and
conventional rubber hoses. After crimping, the hoses are tested to
3000PSI for two minutes. Old ends can be reused or new ends can often be
obtained. ANY combination of fitting can be installed to user
specification. Provided the pricing to end users is within reason, do
you feel this would be a good venture to get involved with? We would
sell locally as well as over the internet.
Tom LaFrance
--------------------------
Semper Leafus Springius
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81885 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 5:44pm
Subject: RE: Considering getting a TJ
Kent,
If you get the D44 rear axle, you get the 3.73 gears. When I purchased my
TJ... I was forced to get the 30 tire package with the Dana 44 rear axle;
I'm not sure if this is still true. Regardless... whatever you do;
definitely get the Dana 44 in the rear. You are correct that the newest
transmission is the NV3550 and I'm thinking (but I am not absolutely sure)
that the first year for this transmission was 2000.
There are TONS of TJ resource pages... just do a google search for TJ and
you will be overwhelmed. Our own Chris Krieg and Stu Olson have great
pages...
The auto transmission is a preference thing... if you like automatics; get
it. If you like to shift; get the manual. I personally prefer the manual
transmission... but plenty of people like automatics.
Pearls of wisdom:
Make sure your rig has the following options:
Dana 44 rear axle
Air conditioning
Don't waste your money on the Sahara package.
If you can afford it; GET THE RUBICON... it IS by and large; the absolute
best of all worlds... you CANNOT build a rig like the Rubicon for less money
than the Rubicon costs (assuming you can get the Rubicon at invoice).
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:01 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Considering getting a TJ
Hey all,
I am considering getting a TJ pretty soon, to be a light trail
wheeler/daily driver. It's not that I don't love my CJ, but I would
like to actually go on a trail run every now and then, instead of sit
in the garage and try and put the CJ back together.
Don't know much about TJs though, so I have a couple questions. Is
the D44 rear axle part of a package or a stand alone option? Does
the trailer towing package get you 3.73 gears? Someone told that the
5 speed that is used now is a NV3550, what year did they start
putting those in. Any TJ resource pages? Is the auto that is
offered any good? Does it have an overdirve? Any other pearls of
wisdom?
Thanx
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81886 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 5:44pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anthony,
No doubt, someone has broken a few 4.88 gear sets somewhere along the way. However, this has been discussed at length on a number of on-line forums and the question was simple&. If you have broken a set of 4.88 gears, please post the details here. Hundreds and hundreds of people viewed the thread and there were no first hand experiences posted. However, as always, the son of my ex-wifes great uncle had a room mate in college whos girl friends younger brothers best friend knew someone in the 4WD club that heard a guy in the next county broke a set.
Anything can break, but the hype given to 4.88 gears being too small and popping is more of a wives tale than a factual piece of information.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Celaya [mailto:chaton602@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:25 PM
To: codyd2003@hotmail.com; AzVJC; Joe West; Siade Randy
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the chances of stripping the gears on 4:88's with a 4.0 are high. I was told that from a member of the "Lo-Rangers" . I don't know much about that area of the jeep but I'm ready to learn.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West
To: AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com
Sent: 4/1/2003 10:09:48 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cody,
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Go to bed!
As far as your questions go... I would recommend that you put 4.88's in your rig. There are some discussions about the pinion being too small on the 4.88:1 gearset which could lead to failure... however; I have yet to hear of a single instance of this happening. I installed 4.56:1 gears in my rig and if I had to do it over; I'd go with 4.88:1 or even 5.13:1 (I have D44s... you could not get 5.13:1 for your rig)
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, im graduating HS in like two months and want to make my jeep an off road machine can, can i put 4.88 R&P set in my stock Dana 30, Dana 35. Is their a major downfall or reason not too. or should put a 4.56 ratio in there. i have a 2.5 litre, ust trying to mil all of the power i can out of it. thanks for your help.
Cody Duran
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81887 From: Mike H. <hiett710@y...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 5:53pm
Subject: Re: Considering getting a TJ
My 02 TJ came with D44 and 225 75 15's for tires and 3.73 gears.
Mike H.
\
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> Kent,
>
> If you get the D44 rear axle, you get the 3.73 gears. When I
purchased my
> TJ... I was forced to get the 30 tire package with the Dana 44 rear
axle;
> I'm not sure if this is still true. Regardless... whatever you do;
> definitely get the Dana 44 in the rear. You are correct that the
newest
> transmission is the NV3550 and I'm thinking (but I am not
absolutely sure)
> that the first year for this transmission was 2000.
>
> There are TONS of TJ resource pages... just do a google search for
TJ and
> you will be overwhelmed. Our own Chris Krieg and Stu Olson have
great
> pages...
>
> The auto transmission is a preference thing... if you like
automatics; get
> it. If you like to shift; get the manual. I personally prefer the
manual
> transmission... but plenty of people like automatics.
>
> Pearls of wisdom:
>
> Make sure your rig has the following options:
>
> Dana 44 rear axle
> Air conditioning
>
> Don't waste your money on the Sahara package.
>
> If you can afford it; GET THE RUBICON... it IS by and large; the
absolute
> best of all worlds... you CANNOT build a rig like the Rubicon for
less money
> than the Rubicon costs (assuming you can get the Rubicon at
invoice).
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:01 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Considering getting a TJ
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> I am considering getting a TJ pretty soon, to be a light trail
> wheeler/daily driver. It's not that I don't love my CJ, but I would
> like to actually go on a trail run every now and then, instead of
sit
> in the garage and try and put the CJ back together.
>
> Don't know much about TJs though, so I have a couple questions. Is
> the D44 rear axle part of a package or a stand alone option? Does
> the trailer towing package get you 3.73 gears? Someone told that
the
> 5 speed that is used now is a NV3550, what year did they start
> putting those in. Any TJ resource pages? Is the auto that is
> offered any good? Does it have an overdirve? Any other pearls of
> wisdom?
>
> Thanx
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
81888 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 5:58pm
Subject: Re: Considering getting a TJ
Thanks Joe.
My site is:
http://www.arizonatj.com
Stu's site is:
http://www.stu-offroad.com
Chris
On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 06:44 PM, Joe West wrote:
> Kent,
>
> If you get the D44 rear axle, you get the 3.73 gears. When I
> purchased my
> TJ... I was forced to get the 30 tire package with the Dana 44 rear
> axle;
> I'm not sure if this is still true. Regardless... whatever you do;
> definitely get the Dana 44 in the rear. You are correct that the
> newest
> transmission is the NV3550 and I'm thinking (but I am not absolutely
> sure)
> that the first year for this transmission was 2000.
>
> There are TONS of TJ resource pages... just do a google search for TJ
> and
> you will be overwhelmed. Our own Chris Krieg and Stu Olson have great
> pages...
>
> The auto transmission is a preference thing... if you like automatics;
> get
> it. If you like to shift; get the manual. I personally prefer the
> manual
> transmission... but plenty of people like automatics.
>
> Pearls of wisdom:
>
> Make sure your rig has the following options:
>
> Dana 44 rear axle
> Air conditioning
>
> Don't waste your money on the Sahara package.
>
> If you can afford it; GET THE RUBICON... it IS by and large; the
> absolute
> best of all worlds... you CANNOT build a rig like the Rubicon for less
> money
> than the Rubicon costs (assuming you can get the Rubicon at invoice).
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Warner [mailto:KnetAZ@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:01 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Considering getting a TJ
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> I am considering getting a TJ pretty soon, to be a light trail
> wheeler/daily driver. It's not that I don't love my CJ, but I would
> like to actually go on a trail run every now and then, instead of sit
> in the garage and try and put the CJ back together.
>
> Don't know much about TJs though, so I have a couple questions. Is
> the D44 rear axle part of a package or a stand alone option? Does
> the trailer towing package get you 3.73 gears? Someone told that the
> 5 speed that is used now is a NV3550, what year did they start
> putting those in. Any TJ resource pages? Is the auto that is
> offered any good? Does it have an overdirve? Any other pearls of
> wisdom?
>
> Thanx
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
81889 From: Duffy Ladd <dladd5@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 6:38pm
Subject: Ried Call Duffy
Reid call Duffy when you get a chance.
I need to talk to you!
Duffy 602-524-6810
81890 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 6:41pm
Subject: [TR] Sunflower Mine Loop - Saturday, April 5, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Brad Rogers is leading a Sunflower Mine Loop trail run on Saturday, April 5, 2003.
When: 8:00am Meet at last gas station on Hwy. 87 heading towards Payson; across from Casino (just past Fountain Hills)
Where: SunFlower Mine Loop
Rating: 3.5-
Length: Most of the day
CB Channel: 4
We had such a good trip the first time I just thought it would be fun to take a group up. Great adventure trip where you can try out your rock gaurds as well as your camera skills. If the creek is flowing your in for a wet ride, as well as some mine discovery. I believe we checked out 6 mines that were at least 100 yds long each, so bring a spot light because a flash light just doesn't cut it. Also bring some sandwiches because the trip can take a while if your into the mine thing.
The Sunflower Mine Loop is a fun trail that offers a little something for everyone. It takes 3 – 4 hours to complete allowing for time to poke around and explore. The loop starts as an easy 2.5 trail that winds along a hillside and slowly descends into the canyon. After crossing a bridge you continue up the canyon until you arrive at the Sunflower Mine site. The mine’s processing building is still standing and is in decent shape. Stock vehicles can make this section of the loop easily, however the next section requires higher ground clearance and aggressive tires.
After leaving the mine the trails continues up a shady canyon becoming more tight and challenging as it runs across and up a rocky creek bed. The bed is usually dry but can be very slippery when water is running. After awhile you make a hard right turn up a steep rock wall obstacle and continue to climb a loose rocky road out of the canyon and into the pines and junipers. At the top the trail continues with some washed out sections, passes a couple of more mine shafts, and gradually becomes easier as you return to the loops starting point.
Remember to pack water, a lunch, and bring your camera.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
81891 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 6:53pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
For clarification we were not using Hunters ramp at the BBQ right?
I am trying the clear this up so that we are on the outlook for the right
ramp.
PS where is the paypal account?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@qwest.net>
To: "'Joe West'" <joe.west@synopsys.com>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> Come on folks....there were 50+ people who used that ramp at the last
> BBQ...I've no idea how many on the previous one. I am thinking that we
> can do better than $120 + some uncollected donations! I remember there
> being a number of Jackson sized pledges that quickly followed Joe's
> initial post. No one is asking you to match those (unless you wish
> to)....but if you could kick in a few bucks, John would appreciate it
> very much. (and I am sure many club members would as well)
>
> If someone wishes to make a ramp contribution while attending the 4WD
> clinic this Saturday (at the White Tanks), you can catch me there and
> I'll ensure that Joe gets the money. Just put it in an envelope and
> write RAMP FUND on it (your name is optional) and I'll pass them on to
> JoeW when he returns home.
>
> Thanks to all!
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@synopsys.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:17 PM
> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; airbornexj@aol.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
> Actually... I was thinking that we could help John set it at an accurate
> angle... something a little better than:
> "It's somewhere around 26 degrees... plus or minus... ummmm...errrrr...
> 10
> degrees"
> <grin>
>
> I haven't yet spoken with John... but as soon as I do; I'll let everyone
> know what he wants to do about rebuilding the ramp.
> We have somewhere in the neighborhood of $120 donated via Paypal so far
> and
> a few members who don't use paypal still left to donate.
>
> I think that Rick Beer will donate the wheels and tires for it... and I
> will
> pitch in for John's labor to build it (I don't know how many hours of
> labor
> he had in the last one, but I'd like to pay for his time if he wants to
> build the next one without any help (not sure his insurance would cover
> other people using his equipment at his shop so he may have to do the
> work
> himself).
>
> Thanks everyone! I think after the new ramp is built; we should have a
> Ramp
> party (any excuse to get together with a bunch of Jeepers <grin>)
>
> If there are still people who want to donate to the ramp fund... please
> paypal whatever you like to:
>
> arizonajeep@cox.net
>
> Please remember that I cannot accept credit cards.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> (Coming home from Tokyo this Friday! WOOOOO HOOOOOO)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@msn.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: airbornexj@aol.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
>
>
> LOL.....maybe he was just thinking of shooting the theives while he was
> writing it. Joe W, you should post up the ramp building party on the
> site....
>
> We can make this ramp longer and steeper so that Troy wont be able to
> drive
> over the top anymore :) lol
>
>
> Frank
> BadAzXJ@msn.com
> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ/badazxj.msnw
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: airbornexj@aol.com
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:36:38 -0500
> >
> >Since John can't see through the tears of joy and sent this to the gun
> >club, I'll forward this on to everyone in the Jeep club LOL
> >
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81892 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 1:54pm
Subject: Thasnks Duffy
A big thanks to Dufster for the new cage work...its awesome, thanks bro
Sharky
81893 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 6:59pm
Subject: RE: Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
Correct that was 4 wheelers ramp that we used at the BBQ. Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:54 PM
To: 'Joe West'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
For clarification we were not using Hunters ramp at the BBQ right?
I am trying the clear this up so that we are on the outlook for the right
ramp.
PS where is the paypal account?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Joe West'" <joe.west@s...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> Come on folks....there were 50+ people who used that ramp at the last
> BBQ...I've no idea how many on the previous one. I am thinking that we
> can do better than $120 + some uncollected donations! I remember there
> being a number of Jackson sized pledges that quickly followed Joe's
> initial post. No one is asking you to match those (unless you wish
> to)....but if you could kick in a few bucks, John would appreciate it
> very much. (and I am sure many club members would as well)
>
> If someone wishes to make a ramp contribution while attending the 4WD
> clinic this Saturday (at the White Tanks), you can catch me there and
> I'll ensure that Joe gets the money. Just put it in an envelope and
> write RAMP FUND on it (your name is optional) and I'll pass them on to
> JoeW when he returns home.
>
> Thanks to all!
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:17 PM
> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; airbornexj@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
> Actually... I was thinking that we could help John set it at an accurate
> angle... something a little better than:
> "It's somewhere around 26 degrees... plus or minus... ummmm...errrrr...
> 10
> degrees"
> <grin>
>
> I haven't yet spoken with John... but as soon as I do; I'll let everyone
> know what he wants to do about rebuilding the ramp.
> We have somewhere in the neighborhood of $120 donated via Paypal so far
> and
> a few members who don't use paypal still left to donate.
>
> I think that Rick Beer will donate the wheels and tires for it... and I
> will
> pitch in for John's labor to build it (I don't know how many hours of
> labor
> he had in the last one, but I'd like to pay for his time if he wants to
> build the next one without any help (not sure his insurance would cover
> other people using his equipment at his shop so he may have to do the
> work
> himself).
>
> Thanks everyone! I think after the new ramp is built; we should have a
> Ramp
> party (any excuse to get together with a bunch of Jeepers <grin>)
>
> If there are still people who want to donate to the ramp fund... please
> paypal whatever you like to:
>
> arizonajeep@c...
>
> Please remember that I cannot accept credit cards.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> (Coming home from Tokyo this Friday! WOOOOO HOOOOOO)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: airbornexj@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
>
>
> LOL.....maybe he was just thinking of shooting the theives while he was
> writing it. Joe W, you should post up the ramp building party on the
> site....
>
> We can make this ramp longer and steeper so that Troy wont be able to
> drive
> over the top anymore :) lol
>
>
> Frank
> BadAzXJ@m...
> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ/badazxj.msnw
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: airbornexj@a...
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:36:38 -0500
> >
> >Since John can't see through the tears of joy and sent this to the gun
> >club, I'll forward this on to everyone in the Jeep club LOL
> >
> >
> >
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81894 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 7:05pm
Subject: RE: Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
Hi Donald,
It depends on which BBQ you are talking about... we used 4 Wheeler's ramp at
the last BBQ and we used John's ramp
at the BBQ before last.
If you want to paypal some assistance to support John in replacing his
stolen ramp... you can paypal funds to:
arizonajeep@c...
Anything that anyone can send will be much appreciated.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:54 PM
To: 'Joe West'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
For clarification we were not using Hunters ramp at the BBQ right?
I am trying the clear this up so that we are on the outlook for the right
ramp.
PS where is the paypal account?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Joe West'" <joe.west@s...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> Come on folks....there were 50+ people who used that ramp at the last
> BBQ...I've no idea how many on the previous one. I am thinking that we
> can do better than $120 + some uncollected donations! I remember there
> being a number of Jackson sized pledges that quickly followed Joe's
> initial post. No one is asking you to match those (unless you wish
> to)....but if you could kick in a few bucks, John would appreciate it
> very much. (and I am sure many club members would as well)
>
> If someone wishes to make a ramp contribution while attending the 4WD
> clinic this Saturday (at the White Tanks), you can catch me there and
> I'll ensure that Joe gets the money. Just put it in an envelope and
> write RAMP FUND on it (your name is optional) and I'll pass them on to
> JoeW when he returns home.
>
> Thanks to all!
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:17 PM
> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; airbornexj@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
> Actually... I was thinking that we could help John set it at an accurate
> angle... something a little better than:
> "It's somewhere around 26 degrees... plus or minus... ummmm...errrrr...
> 10
> degrees"
> <grin>
>
> I haven't yet spoken with John... but as soon as I do; I'll let everyone
> know what he wants to do about rebuilding the ramp.
> We have somewhere in the neighborhood of $120 donated via Paypal so far
> and
> a few members who don't use paypal still left to donate.
>
> I think that Rick Beer will donate the wheels and tires for it... and I
> will
> pitch in for John's labor to build it (I don't know how many hours of
> labor
> he had in the last one, but I'd like to pay for his time if he wants to
> build the next one without any help (not sure his insurance would cover
> other people using his equipment at his shop so he may have to do the
> work
> himself).
>
> Thanks everyone! I think after the new ramp is built; we should have a
> Ramp
> party (any excuse to get together with a bunch of Jeepers <grin>)
>
> If there are still people who want to donate to the ramp fund... please
> paypal whatever you like to:
>
> arizonajeep@c...
>
> Please remember that I cannot accept credit cards.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> (Coming home from Tokyo this Friday! WOOOOO HOOOOOO)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: airbornexj@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
>
>
> LOL.....maybe he was just thinking of shooting the theives while he was
> writing it. Joe W, you should post up the ramp building party on the
> site....
>
> We can make this ramp longer and steeper so that Troy wont be able to
> drive
> over the top anymore :) lol
>
>
> Frank
> BadAzXJ@m...
> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ/badazxj.msnw
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: airbornexj@a...
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:36:38 -0500
> >
> >Since John can't see through the tears of joy and sent this to the gun
> >club, I'll forward this on to everyone in the Jeep club LOL
> >
> >
> >
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81895 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 7:06pm
Subject: RE: Thasnks Duffy
Well.... are you going to SHOW US???
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Thasnks Duffy
A big thanks to Dufster for the new cage work...its awesome, thanks bro
Sharky
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81896 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 7:07pm
Subject: RE: Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
And the e-mail address for the ramp fund is:
arizonajeep@c...
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:00 PM
To: Donald Whitehead; 'Joe West'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Stu Olson
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
Correct that was 4 wheelers ramp that we used at the BBQ. Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whitehead [mailto:donjodie@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:54 PM
To: 'Joe West'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
For clarification we were not using Hunters ramp at the BBQ right?
I am trying the clear this up so that we are on the outlook for the
right
ramp.
PS where is the paypal account?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Joe West'" <joe.west@s...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> Come on folks....there were 50+ people who used that ramp at the last
> BBQ...I've no idea how many on the previous one. I am thinking that
we
> can do better than $120 + some uncollected donations! I remember
there
> being a number of Jackson sized pledges that quickly followed Joe's
> initial post. No one is asking you to match those (unless you wish
> to)....but if you could kick in a few bucks, John would appreciate it
> very much. (and I am sure many club members would as well)
>
> If someone wishes to make a ramp contribution while attending the 4WD
> clinic this Saturday (at the White Tanks), you can catch me there and
> I'll ensure that Joe gets the money. Just put it in an envelope and
> write RAMP FUND on it (your name is optional) and I'll pass them on to
> JoeW when he returns home.
>
> Thanks to all!
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:17 PM
> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; airbornexj@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
> Actually... I was thinking that we could help John set it at an
accurate
> angle... something a little better than:
> "It's somewhere around 26 degrees... plus or minus...
ummmm...errrrr...
> 10
> degrees"
> <grin>
>
> I haven't yet spoken with John... but as soon as I do; I'll let
everyone
> know what he wants to do about rebuilding the ramp.
> We have somewhere in the neighborhood of $120 donated via Paypal so
far
> and
> a few members who don't use paypal still left to donate.
>
> I think that Rick Beer will donate the wheels and tires for it... and
I
> will
> pitch in for John's labor to build it (I don't know how many hours of
> labor
> he had in the last one, but I'd like to pay for his time if he wants
to
> build the next one without any help (not sure his insurance would
cover
> other people using his equipment at his shop so he may have to do the
> work
> himself).
>
> Thanks everyone! I think after the new ramp is built; we should have
a
> Ramp
> party (any excuse to get together with a bunch of Jeepers <grin>)
>
> If there are still people who want to donate to the ramp fund...
please
> paypal whatever you like to:
>
> arizonajeep@c...
>
> Please remember that I cannot accept credit cards.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> (Coming home from Tokyo this Friday! WOOOOO HOOOOOO)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: airbornexj@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
>
>
>
> LOL.....maybe he was just thinking of shooting the theives while he
was
> writing it. Joe W, you should post up the ramp building party on the
> site....
>
> We can make this ramp longer and steeper so that Troy wont be able to
> drive
> over the top anymore :) lol
>
>
> Frank
> BadAzXJ@m...
> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ/badazxj.msnw
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: airbornexj@a...
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Fwd: [az_vgc] Hunters RTI update and Thanks
> >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:36:38 -0500
> >
> >Since John can't see through the tears of joy and sent this to the
gun
> >club, I'll forward this on to everyone in the Jeep club LOL
> >
> >
> >
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81897 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 7:48pm
Subject: Squeaky belt
This is only off topic because it's about a Ford Explorer. My buddy who likes my Jeep (only said to keep it Jeep related) has an Explorer. Every time it rains or he washes his truck his belt squeaks for 1-5 minutes depending on how wet it is. The belt is as tight as it should be, but we're not sure what else it could be. Is there a way to fix this or does he just have to "deal with it"? He's trying to sell it so he's working out this little kink to avoid someone not buying it on account of it squeaking. TIA guys/gals.
~Wade
'97 "Blue Cactus" TJ
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81898 From: Anthony Celaya <chaton602@e...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 8:01pm
Subject: RE: [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll respond to you off the board.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
united we stand, divided we fall!
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: AzVJC
Sent: 4/2/2003 6:44:50 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anthony,
No doubt, someone has broken a few 4.88 gear sets somewhere along the way. However, this has been discussed at length on a number of on-line forums and the question was simple….”If you have broken a set of 4.88 gears, please post the details here.” Hundreds and hundreds of people viewed the thread and there were no first hand experiences posted. However, as always, the son of my ex-wife’s great uncle had a room mate in college who’s girl friend’s younger brother’s best friend knew someone in the 4WD club that heard a guy in the next county broke a set.
Anything can break, but the hype given to 4.88 gears being too small and popping is more of a wives tale than a factual piece of information.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Celaya [mailto:chaton602@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:25 PM
To: codyd2003@hotmail.com; AzVJC; Joe West; Siade Randy
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the chances of stripping the gears on 4:88's with a 4.0 are high. I was told that from a member of the "Lo-Rangers" . I don't know much about that area of the jeep but I'm ready to learn.
Anthony Celaya
chaton602@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe West
To: AzVJC;codyd2003@hotmail.com
Sent: 4/1/2003 10:09:48 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cody,
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Go to bed!
As far as your questions go... I would recommend that you put 4.88's in your rig. There are some discussions about the pinion being too small on the 4.88:1 gearset which could lead to failure... however; I have yet to hear of a single instance of this happening. I installed 4.56:1 gears in my rig and if I had to do it over; I'd go with 4.88:1 or even 5.13:1 (I have D44s... you could not get 5.13:1 for your rig)
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:35 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] YJ - GEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, im graduating HS in like two months and want to make my jeep an off road machine can, can i put 4.88 R&P set in my stock Dana 30, Dana 35. Is their a major downfall or reason not too. or should put a 4.56 ratio in there. i have a 2.5 litre, ust trying to mil all of the power i can out of it. thanks for your help.
Cody Duran
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81899 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 7:19pm
Subject: RE: Rough starting YJ
Most likely a fuel delivery problem. Fuel pump.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Smitty [mailto:jeepinsmitty@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:14 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Rough starting YJ
I need some help here..
My 95 YJ 2.5L, has begun to act up. It is very hard to start. It will crank but it will not fire right off. Sometimes it will take five minutes to get it to fire. I just changed the Distributor cap and rotor to see if that was it. but it is still doing it. I checked the spark plugs (Bosch Platinum) they look fine but they are over a year old. My next step is going to be new Sparkplug wires. Am I heading in the right direction. Could it be a Fuel pump? Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Smitty
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