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81312 From: Mike H. <hiett710@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:07pm
Subject: Re: Update-Care Packages

I believe Jason B. Is headed out that way this very weekend?!?!?!
Mike H.
Always glad to volunteer a fellow friend.

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "katnjeff4" <katnjeff4@h...> wrote:
> I have called the commandeer of the USO in San Diego CA and told
him
> what we wanted to do, he said that if we collect all of the stuff
he
> would mail it out to our troops for us.(for FREE) Now we have to:
> 1, collect all the items
> 2, send it to him OR have a "RUN" to SanDiego???
>
> First of all if we want to do this I will have dorp off sites all
> over the valley to collect the items. After we collect what we can
> then I will ship it to SD if we don't do a "RUN".
>
> I can post a list of items that are needed if you all want, its a
> long list!!!
>
> By the way I almost made the old man cry.... he could not belive
> there where so meny people who wanted to help, he was so thankful
> all he keep saying was "thank you".
> I guess I didn't know just how much this means to our troops till I
> talked to Mr.Kelly today.
> Let me know if you all want to have a "RUN" to San Diego, and I can
> set it all up.
> Thanks for your support Kat katnjeff4@h...

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81313 From: RAM <ramaz@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:10pm
Subject: Rear Main seal replacement?

Hi All

Does anyone have a write up on how to replace a rear main seal on a 4.0 I-6 in a 95-XJ? Mine is starting to leak more all the time, so I guess it's
time to fix it.

TIA

RAM

Randall A. Mutter
ramaz@cox.net

Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...

81314 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:18pm
Subject: RE: Re: [TR] Moab - Sunday, April 27, 2003

Todd,

I 2nd AJ's recommendation for the Well's book. I've been using it for
several years and you won't find a better one, IMO.

Also, try http://www.stu-offroad.com/others/photos-main.htm

and http://www.stu-offroad.com/ozi/wpts-1.htm

for waypoints, pics, write-ups, etc.....on many of the most popular Moab
trails.

And to think you had a resource such as this right under your nose and
you didn't even know it! (gotta learn more about your fellow club
members!) LOL

Stu

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: arizonaoutlaws [mailto:azoutlaws@m...]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:05 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] Moab - Sunday, April 27, 2003

Hi Todd,

Charles A. Wells put out a good book, "Guide To Moab, UT Backroads &
4-Wheel Drive Trails". It has trails easy to difficult with good
directions and GPS coordinates.

Enjoy your trip, Moad is a great place.

AJ Card

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:

Hello All,

Todd Ahern is leading a Moab trail run on Sunday, April 27, 2003.

When: Leaving Phoenix at 0400 hrs.
Where:
Rating: 2.0+
Length: 9 hours
CB Channel: 4

Heading to the 2nd Anual Jeeps Unlimited Moab Run. Will be spending
the week up there coming home either the 3rd or 4th of May.

[Someone please send me some information on the trails in this
area...]

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81315 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:26pm
Subject: RE: Rear Main seal replacement?

http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/technical/rearmain/

to get you started&.there are others out there&.search engines will yield good results

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: RAM [mailto:ramaz@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:10 PM
To: Azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Rear Main seal replacement?

Hi All

Does anyone have a write up on how to replace a rear main seal on a 4.0 I-6 in a 95-XJ? Mine is starting to leak more all the time, so I guess it's
time to fix it.

TIA

RAM

Randall A. Mutter

ramaz@cox.net

Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...

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81316 From: Jeep Girl <jeepgirl73@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:52pm
Subject: FW: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

See this is what I got from my oldest brother who is over there now. (see e-mail below)
So tell me who did the run on saturday just to have the " warm and tingly inside" I promise my brothers that I will find a way to show them that there are some proud Americans.

Bonnie
"Hail to the Redskins"

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 2:24 PM
To: Bonnie Powell
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

Bonnie,

It is nice to see some first hand support. I know some do not agree with what we are doing down here, it is great to know there are strong supporters out there. All we see on the news is how against the war our own americans are. I hope your group can get 100 of jeeps out there to get on CNN so the boys here can see there is someone out there who is on our side.

Hope this helps you guys out!

Chance

-----Original Message-----
From: Bonnie Powell [mailto:redskinsfansrule@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:45 AM
To: Glas****, Chance & Christy
Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
Importance: High

Hey we found this in our search for helping the troops is that true?

Bonnie
"Hail to the Redskins"

-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:08 PM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
Importance: High

Lon,

I was following the links your provided and found this rather
disappointing news on www.defenselink.mil The release is dated March
22, 2003. It says:

TROOP SUPPORT MAIL POLICY STRESSED

To bolster force protection, the general public is urged not to send
unsolicited mail, care packages or donations to service members forward
deployed unless you are a family member, loved one or personal friend.

On Oct. 30, 2002, the Department of Defense (DoD) suspended the
"Operation Dear Abby" and "Any Servicemember" mail programs due to force
protection concerns. Although these programs provide an excellent means
of support to friends and loved ones stationed overseas, they also
provide an avenue to introduce hazardous substances or materials into
the mail system from unknown sources. Unsolicited mail, packages and
donations from organizations and individuals also compete for limited
airlift space used to transport supplies, war-fighting materiel and mail
from family and loved ones.

Recently, DoD has become aware of organizations and individuals who
continue to support some form of the "Any Servicemember" program by
using the names and addresses of individual servicemembers and unit
addresses. These programs are usually supported by well-intentioned,
thoughtful and patriotic groups who are simply unaware of the new risks
facing deployed military forces. Some individuals and groups publicize
the names and addresses of service members, ships or units on Web sites,
with good intentions. The result, however, is a potential danger to the
troops they wish to support.

DoD cannot support creative and well-intentioned efforts that defeat
force protection measures, but can instead recommend alternatives to
mail and donation programs. To show support to troops overseas, the
following are recommended:

* Log on to the following Web sites to show support, to include greeting
cards, virtual Thank You cards and calling card donations to help troops
stay in contact with loved ones:

http://www.defendamerica.mil/support_troops.html

http://www.usocares.org/home.htm

http://www.army.mil/operations/iraq/faq.html

* Visit Department of Veterans Affairs hospitals and nursing homes.
Volunteer your services to honor veterans who served in past conflicts.

Mail from family members and loved ones has always been encouraged and
the military mail system will continue to work hard to get that mail to
servicemembers overseas.

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@commspeed.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:39 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

Well said Stu. As another who was ridiculed and looked down upon during
that far off "confilict" in SE Asia, I can vouch for how much it means
to them.

Here are a couple of ways to show them you appreciate their sacrifices,
without having to wait for them to return.

Operation Dear Abby (E-Mail) http://www.operationdearabby.net
Sign Virtual Thank-You Card http://www.defendamerica.mil
Donate Calling Card to Soldier http://www.operationuplink.org

Lon

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:13 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; 'Chris'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

Great post Stu. I think the pro troop rally's just make those who attend
them feel all warm and tingly inside. If they really want to support
them
write an e-mail, call your friends and family and find somebody who is
serving and write a letter to them and have them share it with the rest
of
the members of their troop, brigade, etc. Go donate blood too. There are
so
many ways to actually make a difference. I agree that standing on the
corner
yelling at antiwar protesters does nothing but possibly put yourself in
the
wrong place at possibly the wrong time when violence may erupt.

Or better yet go visit your local recruiter and sign up!

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:04 AM
To: 'Chris'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

Chris,

Please understand that I very much consider myself to be as patriotic as
any
red blooded American. I am the 3rd generation in my family to have
served
in the military. My grandfather was in the Great War, my father in
WWII,
and I did an 8 year hitch during the Vietnam era. I honestly do believe
I
am patriotic, enough so that I was willing to die for my country while
defending it (and I still would if need be).

That being said, if you want THE TROOPS to know you are supporting them,
then give them one hell of a WELCOME BACK when they return....in other
words, when THEY can see you are supporting them. I can tell you, from
first hand experience, there is nothing better than to be welcomed back
home
by a HUGE crowd of people after you have been deployed for a long period
of
time.

For my take, the recent troop rally discussion seemed to be born around
the
idea of showing the anti-war protestors that others don't share the same
opinion. To me, that is showing the anti-war folks that we don't agree
with
them (and I don't)....but I don't see our troops getting much from this
message. Arguing with an anti-war protestor is like arguing with a
frickin;
anti-recreationist. Fight the fights you know you can win.

Like I said, I'll show up and WELCOME THEM HOME so THEY can see that I
support THEM!

And I do look forward to seeing you on the next trail run, LU meeting,
or
where ever we should happen to bump into each other.

Take care........Stu

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@excite.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 11:21 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

I must have missed the boat when they handed out he mind reading part
of the brain. Seems like everyone knows what others are thinking
these days.

While it was posted here and people who feel the same attended I
missed the post that informed eveyone they had to feel the same way.

As far as it being OT, I agree that is why I added it to the subject
line. And while it is maybe not Jeep related the fact that we are at
war and it was to show our support for the men and women that give us
each the freedom to speak our minds, have the opportunity to attend a
rally or land use meeting and even our right to wheel our Jeeps kind
of means it does involve all of us on some level (IMO). Heck if the
armed forces don't defend our freedom we may not have land to wheel
on in the future no matter what anyone says.

As far as the issue of sad about where our support lies, while I
agree often times support at land use meetings is lower that it
should be, one is talking about loss of land the other loss of life.
If we lose land we can fight to get it back, lives you can never get
back. Right now we are fighting to be sure that we don't lose over 3
thousand lives again due to senseless attacks. THink of it another
way, which is worse if you lose your home or your child or maybe your
spouse.

I will see many of you at the next land use meeting I can make and I
will also see whoever shows up to the next support showing for our
troops.

Chris
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--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Hi Sharky,
>
> I think the problem with the rally post is that it is not a Jeep
related
> issue. The bottom line (in my opinion) is that land use issues are
ontopic
> and troop support rallys are offtopic. Just because I don't support
the
> rally being a club run doesn't mean I don't support the troops or
the idea
> of a rally. So if you feel that the rally idea hasn't gotten
deserved
> attention its probably because other people come here to read Jeep
stuff and
> ignore the rest that isn't Jeep related.
>
> Another problem is that somebody needs to pickup the ball and lead
this
> rally. Whoever takes on this responsibility will need to coordinate
with law
> enforcement in advance as well as put out some notices to the local
media.
> Maybe it won't be an AZVJC function but there needs to be a leader
> nonetheless and a contact list generated of interested people. Once
this
> person has setup the event then by all means I hope they post an
invitation
> on the list so that individual AZVJC members that are interested
can attend.
> Those that don't like it can stay home (or organize a counter
demonstration
> across the street)
>
> Why don't I support this as an AZVJC function? First of all the only
> politics this group really deals with are land issues and the
majority of us
> feel the same about that topic. When we start talking about war and
the
> politics surrounding it then you start to divide the group. I know
there are
> liberal and conservative members here and of course there probably
are
> Jeepers participating in both types of rallys. Who are we to tell
the rest
> of the group which way to think?
>
> That being said, I'm proudly flyin the Stars and Stripes in front
of my
> house in support of the troops and find myself glued to Fox News
these days.
> I've even got a TV tuner in my PC and I'm listening as I type this.

>
>
> That's my take on it all.
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:56 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
>
>
> Its funny you should mention that considering the support our
> troops rally got less attention from the club than the land use
> issues. Somethings are just more important than others at certain
> times.
> To each their own but at this time my money is on a much bigger
> picture.
>
> Sharky
>
>
>
>
> > > Stu,
> > > It is a shame that these club members show so much effort for
> > supporting
> > > our troops (rightfully so) and only a fraction get as
> enthusiastic
> > about
> > > land use meetings.
> > > I have my reasons for staying at home and not being able to
> > participate
> > > in any activities with the club.
> > > A club run showing support for our troops in Prescott would have
> > been
> > > the way to go.
> > >
> > > Joey K
> > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > 93YJ
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:06 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > > Wow.....that idea went over like a lead brick.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:04 PM
> > > To: Bob Jacques; jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > > Even a better idea.....hit the BLM land use meeting tomorrow AM
in
> > > Prescott and then do Support Our Troops afterwards! Might as
well
> > > kill
> two
> > birds
> > > with the same stone!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@m...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:04 PM
> > > To: 'jeff.trujillo@m...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know if it can be organized that quick ! but hopefully
it
> > will
> > > all
> > > be over by next weekend!! (except for the mop up )... How about
> > posting
> > > it
> > > as a run right now to see who signs up? I can see it now,
100+
> > jeeps
> > > cruisin with flags a flyin' ! Pretty impressive show of
> support!!!
> > > Bob
> > > J
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:42 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > >
> > > I think there are only three of us that are willing to do this!
I
> > am up
> > > for
> > > saturday but we need more people!!!
> > >
> > > Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > Field Service Representative
> > > MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > Fax:(480)346-6813
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:40 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > >
> > > Do we want to do this on the weekend? Not sure if we target
the
> > > Capitol we would get much response over the weekend. Then again
> if
> > > we do it during the week in the evening it wouldn't be any
better
> > > and I am not sure that many can take time off work. So how
about
> > > this weekend sometime? Saturday evening? Maybe cruise down
Mill?
> > >
> > > Keep throwing out ideas everyone.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
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> --
> > -
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled"
> <intertwingled@q...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > anti-dorks = peacemongering surrender monkeys?
> > > >
> > > > Count me in. I hate those guys.
> > > >
> > > > At 08:22 PM 3/21/03 -0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Only if I can bring my baseball bat.
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, jeff.trujillo@m... wrote:
> > > > >> So are we going to try and put something together? I'm in
for
> > > doing
> > > > >a demo
> > > > >> at the capital across the street from the anti-dorks :o)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > > >> Field Service Representative
> > > > >> MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > > >> jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > > >> Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > > >> Fax:(480)346-6813
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Bill [mailto:bill@j...]
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:47 AM
> > > > >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm in also
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --------------
> > > > >> Bill - Jeeps Only
> > > > >> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> > > > >> A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps
only
> > > > >> -----------------------------------------------------------
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> -
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...>
> wrote:
> > > > >> > Anyone up for putting on a public display to show our
> > > support?
> > > > >All
> > > > >> > I keep seeing is people protesting and thinking this has
to
> > > to
> > > > >with
> > > > >> > oil or how it is going to affect the dollars spent on
their
> > > > >> > education.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Just a thought.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Chris
> > > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------
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81317 From: Nichole <cj7wheelin@h...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 7:02pm
Subject: Suggested Items for Troops

I found a list on one of the links for helping out our soldiers.
Here are the items the site suggested:

Toiletries-No Aerosols
Tooth paste/tooth brushes
Solar (Camp) Showers
Deodorant
Cold Water Clothes Detergent
Wash cloths
Chap stick
Lotion-wrapped in zip lock bag
Disposable razors/Shaving Cream
Small packs Kleenex
Nail clippers
Hair Care Products-wrapped in zip lock bag
Individually wrapped wet towelettes or
Hand washing gel
Sunscreen- wrapped in zip lock bag
Feminine Hygiene Products

Miscellaneous
Snacks (No chocolate/No Pork Products)
Paper back books—used ones OK
Stationary and PensMovies—used ones OK
Magazines-No "Racy" ones
Crossword puzzle books
Games and Deck of cards
White tube socks
Local newspapers-Sunday editions
Hand Held games
CD's-no offensive Music
Batteries
Phone Cards
Clothes Pins
Kool-aid-Sugar Free or Regular

Let's help out our men/women soldiers!!

Nichole

81318 From: Nichole <cj7wheelin@h...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 7:06pm
Subject: [OT] Suggested Items site

You can go to this site for a printable version:

http://www.operationshoebox.com

Nichole

81319 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 7:29pm
Subject: Need brake help...FAST!!!

Hey all,

I'm changing my brake pads on the front right now. I've got the old ones off and the new ones on, but the space between the pads isn't big enough to fit around the disk. I'm not too technical when it comes to terms so bare with me. Is there a way to get the inside pad further in? Can the "round thing" it rests against be moved at all? I have the Jeep in neutral and the brake resivoir cap off. Any immediate (or any other) advice is GREATLY appreciated.

~Wade
'97 "Blue Cactus" TJ

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81320 From: Chris Steele <phxsteele2000@a...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 7:37pm
Subject: Re: Need brake help...FAST!!!

The inside brake pad can and will go in. You will need a c-clamp or
they make a tool just for this and it is available at autozone or
checker for around 5 bucks. What part of the valley are you in? If
you need any help just shoot me an email.......Chris

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I'm changing my brake pads on the front right now. I've got the
old ones off and the new ones on, but the space between the pads
isn't big enough to fit around the disk. I'm not too technical when
it comes to terms so bare with me. Is there a way to get the inside
pad further in? Can the "round thing" it rests against be moved at
all? I have the Jeep in neutral and the brake resivoir cap off. Any
immediate (or any other) advice is GREATLY appreciated.
>
>
>
>
> ~Wade
> '97 "Blue Cactus" TJ
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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81321 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 7:46pm
Subject: RE: Need brake help...FAST!!!

Wade,

The piston (in the caliper) can be gently pushed back a bit to allow room for the new and thicker pads.

I usually use a C-clamp on mine but anything that will fit and allow you to squeeze it a bit will work.

Stu

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Wade Ungaro [mailto:swaders7@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:29 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Need brake help...FAST!!!

Hey all,

I'm changing my brake pads on the front right now. I've got the old ones off and the new ones on, but the space between the pads isn't big enough to fit around the disk. I'm not too technical when it comes to terms so bare with me. Is there a way to get the inside pad further in? Can the "round thing" it rests against be moved at all? I have the Jeep in neutral and the brake resivoir cap off. Any immediate (or any other) advice is GREATLY appreciated.

~Wade
'97 "Blue Cactus" TJ

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81322 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 7:48pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] '98 TJ w/D35 & Trak Loc - How to remove spider gears & clutches from Trak Loc carrier?

I just did this at Christmas, boy was it fun.

What you need is a vice, a nut a bolt, breaker bar and some fun.

Use the bolt about 4-6 inches long to tighten one side of the spring pack together.

With some of the tension removed you may be able to turn other the two gears. It sort of spilts them out the side. If it is tight and you have a vice you turn the spider gears with the breaker bar or as I did I took turns tapping on the gears to make them turn of the sides opposite of the bolt till they spit out the side.
I had to reverse this to install new clutch pack. You have it easy just removing them.
If want more explanation call me 623-412-9447.
I wanted to give up but everybody was closed so just keep tapping away.

Good Luck
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] '98 TJ w/D35 & Trak Loc - How to remove spider gears & clutches from Trak Loc carrier?

I've got the cover off, the boss pin out, c-clips removed and axles pulled out. Can't get the side gears out. I only have a Haynes manuel and it doesn't discuss this procedure. I need to get the carrier "emptied" to install a Powertrax No-Slip. Although I bought the No-Slip used it is made for the limited-slip carrier. Didn't come with intructions and all the intructions I can find on web sites seem to only address "open" carriers.

Eddie Nordstrom

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81323 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 7:52pm
Subject: for those that asked

I got some info requests today concerning the web site I referenced yesterday. For those that asked, sorry it took me a while to dig it out of the mail folder (that is what happens when you have e-mail active on two PCs). LOL

Anyway, you can find the info you need at:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Mar2003/b03222003_bt139-03.html

For the other folks who want to send stuff too, this is the Department of Defense web site that discusses what to do to support our service members.

Stu

Stu Olson

www.stu-offroad.com

81324 From: Nasser <nasser88@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:00pm
Subject: RE: Sedona trip

Darnella,

No worries, Scott hasnt updated the groups listings yet. Unless he reassigns you, Ill be glad to have you on flight seven.

Nasser

-----Original Message-----
From: Darnella [mailto:Zesty1@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:47 PM
To: AZ_VJC; Scott Kruize
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sedona trip

Ahhh, is there a reason why some people names are NOT on this list??????

----- Original Message -----

From: Scott Kruize

To: AZ_VJC

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:28 AM

Subject: [az_vjc] Sedona trip

Hello,

The trip will go on!

It looks like Joe has setup multiple smaller groups as listed below.

Flight 1 --- Lead; Joe West, Gunner; Bob Jaques
Members; Mike Kelly, Mike Lopez, Steve Murdock, Allen Bernhardt, Chris Lindsey

Flight 2 --- Lead; Scott Kruize, Gunner; Don Whitehead
Members; Mike Fissel, Jonathan Dexter, Bill Scheller, Richard Logan, Keith Bowcut

Flight 3 --- Lead; Scott Rafferty, Gunner; Lon Robison
Members; Dan Lindblad, Troy Sylvia, Ruben Aviles, Stephen Metcalf, Eric Herring

Flight 4 --- Lead; Tom Le, Gunner; TBD
Members; Brandon Sudeith, John Whitaker, Scott Grigsby, Veronica O'Halloran,Frank Bell, Kit Carson

Flight 5 --- Lead; Dan Sexton, Gunner; Nichole Freemon
Members; Barry Cox, LC Lay, Jason La Montagne, Brandon Kowalski, John Teel

Flight 6 --- Lead; Rick Beer, Gunner; Brandon Reid
Members; Al Pioquinto, Jack Sheeler, Mike Acuna,Brad Gailey, Lance Wilson

Flight 7 --- Lead; Nasser Pirshafiey, Gunner; TBD
Members; Darrell Malin, Mia McCarty, Mike Reyes, Dennis Vega, Jeff Cox, Jason Brown,Joe Shikany

Joe has carefully grouped certain members together and rather than juggle members around we'll just have group 2 leave before group 1 so I can take over the lead position as requested by Joe. It looks like Tom Le and Nasser do not have a designated tail gunner. I trust these guys to pick a gunner of their choice either in advance or at the trailhead.

As usual we will use CB channel 4. It would be nice if the trip leaders of groups 1-7 would each have an FRS radio so we can communicate independently of the CB and keep things organized. I will have 2 extras available if any of the leaders do not have one.

The list above will be updated as necessary though none of the group assignments that are listed will change. If anyone drops out I will remove there name and if anyone new signs up they will be added to a group. So if you see your name listed in a group then count on being in that group.

Joe mentioned using colored ribbons to designate group members. This is great idea. I will need to acquire some ribbon today and will assign a color to each group later today. We will designate each trip leader as Red1, etc so as to make communication easier betweeen trip leaders.

We will need to stop and acquire our Red Rock passes. I will post more details as soon as I can.

Regards,

Scott K

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81325 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:16pm
Subject: Re: Need brake help...FAST!!!

Be sure to keep an eye on the fluid reservoir when you push in the piston. You may cause it to overflow, if it's been topped up before the brake pad change.

Doug

----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'Wade Ungaro' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Need brake help...FAST!!!

Wade,

The piston (in the caliper) can be gently pushed back a bit to allow room for the new and thicker pads.

I usually use a C-clamp on mine but anything that will fit and allow you to squeeze it a bit will work.

Stu

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Wade Ungaro [mailto:swaders7@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:29 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Need brake help...FAST!!!

Hey all,

I'm changing my brake pads on the front right now. I've got the old ones off and the new ones on, but the space between the pads isn't big enough to fit around the disk. I'm not too technical when it comes to terms so bare with me. Is there a way to get the inside pad further in? Can the "round thing" it rests against be moved at all? I have the Jeep in neutral and the brake resivoir cap off. Any immediate (or any other) advice is GREATLY appreciated.

~Wade
'97 "Blue Cactus" TJ

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81326 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:29pm
Subject: RE: Sedona trip

Darnella,

FYI: Joe and I first met on a group trip to Broken Arrow about 3 years ago. We don't wheel together as much as we used to but then again the group has grown alot and we live on opposite ends of the valley now and tend to wheel with members that live near us. Like myself he sometimes can become the center (or is that the human pinata?) of some healthy debate on the list. Sometimes we have been on opposite ends of the debate and other times we are like minded. But there are never any hard feelings on our part towards anyone and when we all hit the trail we have a good time. Not for one minute would I exclude your name or anyone elses over any discussion posted here. I'm not as mean as you might have thought though my wife is much sweeter than I. We are sort of the Sweet N' Sour of couples.

That data was cut and pasted from the website as posted by Joe. These group assignments were setup by Joe W. Click on trips and then on the Broken Arrow trip scheduled for Sunday March 30th and you will see the list. I'm working off of that. If there are people not included on there please let me know and we'll be sure to work on updating the list. I do not have the ability to edit the current trip so we will just have to post as we go.

We will assign Red, Yellow, Blue, Orange, Green, Purple, and White ribbons to various groups. I ask that the group leaders acquire the appropriate color ribbon material and ask the members to tie them to their anntena's to help us stay organized.

We need somebody to take over the lead for the group that Joe was going to lead. I will refer to that group as the Green group ( because Joe's Jeep is green ) . I hope that one of the other members can take over. We'll have group 2 leave first followed by 1,3,4,5,6, & 7. We can all meet at Chicken Point for a group lunch and picture and will leave in the order we arrived.

Please check out the following group assignments by visiting the following link. My wife, Theresa, created this spreadsheet and I have published it to my homesite. If you are shown as not being assigned to a group but Joe had told you otherwise please let me know and I will update the sheet. If you are unassigned and have a preference I will also consider that. If not I will randomly assign you to a group to even out the group sizes.

http://members.cox.net/skruize/sedona.htm

As Joe had posted you are welcome to meet at the earlier listed spot for breakfast. I will post the meeting point in Sedona as soon as I nail it down. Please bear with me through some of the confusion. Joe left with only a few days notice for Japan.

Thanks,

Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Darnella [mailto:zesty1@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:47 PM
To: AZ_VJC; Scott Kruize
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sedona trip

Ahhh, is there a reason why some people names are NOT on this list??????
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: AZ_VJC
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Sedona trip

Hello,

The trip will go on!

It looks like Joe has setup multiple smaller groups as listed below.

Flight 1 --- Lead; Joe West, Gunner; Bob Jaques
Members; Mike Kelly, Mike Lopez, Steve Murdock, Allen Bernhardt, Chris Lindsey

Flight 2 --- Lead; Scott Kruize, Gunner; Don Whitehead
Members; Mike Fissel, Jonathan Dexter, Bill Scheller, Richard Logan, Keith Bowcut

Flight 3 --- Lead; Scott Rafferty, Gunner; Lon Robison
Members; Dan Lindblad, Troy Sylvia, Ruben Aviles, Stephen Metcalf, Eric Herring

Flight 4 --- Lead; Tom Le, Gunner; TBD
Members; Brandon Sudeith, John Whitaker, Scott Grigsby, Veronica O'Halloran,Frank Bell, Kit Carson

Flight 5 --- Lead; Dan Sexton, Gunner; Nichole Freemon
Members; Barry Cox, LC Lay, Jason La Montagne, Brandon Kowalski, John Teel

Flight 6 --- Lead; Rick Beer, Gunner; Brandon Reid
Members; Al Pioquinto, Jack Sheeler, Mike Acuna,Brad Gailey, Lance Wilson

Flight 7 --- Lead; Nasser Pirshafiey, Gunner; TBD
Members; Darrell Malin, Mia McCarty, Mike Reyes, Dennis Vega, Jeff Cox, Jason Brown,Joe Shikany

Joe has carefully grouped certain members together and rather than juggle members around we'll just have group 2 leave before group 1 so I can take over the lead position as requested by Joe. It looks like Tom Le and Nasser do not have a designated tail gunner. I trust these guys to pick a gunner of their choice either in advance or at the trailhead.

As usual we will use CB channel 4. It would be nice if the trip leaders of groups 1-7 would each have an FRS radio so we can communicate independently of the CB and keep things organized. I will have 2 extras available if any of the leaders do not have one.

The list above will be updated as necessary though none of the group assignments that are listed will change. If anyone drops out I will remove there name and if anyone new signs up they will be added to a group. So if you see your name listed in a group then count on being in that group.

Joe mentioned using colored ribbons to designate group members. This is great idea. I will need to acquire some ribbon today and will assign a color to each group later today. We will designate each trip leader as Red1, etc so as to make communication easier betweeen trip leaders.

We will need to stop and acquire our Red Rock passes. I will post more details as soon as I can.

Regards,

Scott K

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81327 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:35pm
Subject: RE: Need brake help...FAST!!!

As you compress the first caliper with the c clamp be sure that you put some kind of spacer on the other caliper to keep it from moving or you will have bigger problems. Once the first caliper is installed this won't be an issue when you compress the second.

If you want to give me a call feel free to. I'll send my number offlist.

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 9:17 PM
To: 'Wade Ungaro'; 'AZVJC'; Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Need brake help...FAST!!!

Be sure to keep an eye on the fluid reservoir when you push in the piston. You may cause it to overflow, if it's been topped up before the brake pad change.

Doug

----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'Wade Ungaro' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Need brake help...FAST!!!

Wade,

The piston (in the caliper) can be gently pushed back a bit to allow room for the new and thicker pads.

I usually use a C-clamp on mine but anything that will fit and allow you to squeeze it a bit will work.

Stu

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Wade Ungaro [mailto:swaders7@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:29 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Need brake help...FAST!!!

Hey all,

I'm changing my brake pads on the front right now. I've got the old ones off and the new ones on, but the space between the pads isn't big enough to fit around the disk. I'm not too technical when it comes to terms so bare with me. Is there a way to get the inside pad further in? Can the "round thing" it rests against be moved at all? I have the Jeep in neutral and the brake resivoir cap off. Any immediate (or any other) advice is GREATLY appreciated.

~Wade
'97 "Blue Cactus" TJ

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81328 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:14pm
Subject: RE: Need brake help...FAST!!!

Well everybody...I'm all done now after going and getting a "Brake Pad Spreader" tool. It sure is amazing how fast little jobs can get done when you have the right tools!!! I tested the brakes (didn't let the wife come along for fear I would endanger her life...lol) and they worked great. Thank you all TREMENDOUSLY for the input you gave on such short notice. It is greatly appreciated.

~Wade

P.S. - Scott, I think you may have opened up a can of worms by giving me your number! LOL I'll make sure to check with you for a tool list prior to each time I work on the Jeep. ;)

Scott Kruize wrote:

As you compress the first caliper with the c clamp be sure that you put some kind of spacer on the other caliper to keep it from moving or you will have bigger problems. Once the first caliper is installed this won't be an issue when you compress the second.

If you want to give me a call feel free to. I'll send my number offlist.

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 9:17 PM
To: 'Wade Ungaro'; 'AZVJC'; Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Need brake help...FAST!!!

Be sure to keep an eye on the fluid reservoir when you push in the piston. You may cause it to overflow, if it's been topped up before the brake pad change.

Doug

----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'Wade Ungaro' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Need brake help...FAST!!!

Wade,

The piston (in the caliper) can be gently pushed back a bit to allow room for the new and thicker pads.

I usually use a C-clamp on mine but anything that will fit and allow you to squeeze it a bit will work.

Stu

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Wade Ungaro [mailto:swaders7@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:29 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Need brake help...FAST!!!

Hey all,

I'm changing my brake pads on the front right now. I've got the old ones off and the new ones on, but the space between the pads isn't big enough to fit around the disk. I'm not too technical when it comes to terms so bare with me. Is there a way to get the inside pad further in? Can the "round thing" it rests against be moved at all? I have the Jeep in neutral and the brake resivoir cap off. Any immediate (or any other) advice is GREATLY appreciated.

~Wade
'97 "Blue Cactus" TJ

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81329 From: Mitch Woodward <bigwood@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:25pm
Subject: Re: Suggested Items for Troops

I heard on the news tonite that unsolocited care packages, mail, etc. would
not be distributed to troops due to security reasons. They encouraged
sending e-mail cards or donating funds for prepaid phone cards instead of
goods.

Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nichole" <cj7wheelin@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:02 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Suggested Items for Troops

I found a list on one of the links for helping out our soldiers.
Here are the items the site suggested:

Toiletries-No Aerosols
Tooth paste/tooth brushes
Solar (Camp) Showers
Deodorant
Cold Water Clothes Detergent
Wash cloths
Chap stick
Lotion-wrapped in zip lock bag
Disposable razors/Shaving Cream
Small packs Kleenex
Nail clippers
Hair Care Products-wrapped in zip lock bag
Individually wrapped wet towelettes or
Hand washing gel
Sunscreen- wrapped in zip lock bag
Feminine Hygiene Products

Miscellaneous
Snacks (No chocolate/No Pork Products)
Paper back books-used ones OK
Stationary and PensMovies-used ones OK
Magazines-No "Racy" ones
Crossword puzzle books
Games and Deck of cards
White tube socks
Local newspapers-Sunday editions
Hand Held games
CD's-no offensive Music
Batteries
Phone Cards
Clothes Pins
Kool-aid-Sugar Free or Regular

Let's help out our men/women soldiers!!

Nichole

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81330 From: Nichole Freemon <cj7wheelin@h...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:01pm
Subject: Re: Suggested Items for Troops

Yeah, I was getting the same messages when I was browsing the websites but I assumed, since Kat had spoken to a commander of the USO in S.D., that care packages would be sent through him. Maybe that has changed since the email was posted??

~Nichole
>From: "Mitch Woodward"
>To: ,"Nichole"
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Suggested Items for Troops
>Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:25:43 -0700
>
>I heard on the news tonite that unsolocited care packages, mail, etc. would
>not be distributed to troops due to security reasons. They encouraged
>sending e-mail cards or donating funds for prepaid phone cards instead of
>goods.
>
>Mitch
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nichole"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:02 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Suggested Items for Troops
>
>
>I found a list on one of the links for helping out our soldiers.
>Here are the items the site suggested:
>
>Toiletries-No Aerosols
>Tooth paste/tooth brushes
>Solar (Camp) Showers
>Deodorant
>Cold Water Clothes Detergent
>Wash cloths
>Chap stick
>Lotion-wrapped in zip lock bag
>Disposable razors/Shaving Cream
>Small packs Kleenex
>Nail clippers
>Hair Care Products-wrapped in zip lock bag
>Individually wrapped wet towelettes or
>Hand washing gel
>Sunscreen- wrapped in zip lock bag
>Feminine Hygiene Products
>
>Miscellaneous
>Snacks (No chocolate/No Pork Products)
>Paper back books-used ones OK
>Stationary and PensMovies-used ones OK
>Magazines-No "Racy" ones
>Crossword puzzle books
>Games and Deck of cards
>White tube socks
>Local newspapers-Sunday editions
>Hand Held games
>CD's-no offensive Music
>Batteries
>Phone Cards
>Clothes Pins
>Kool-aid-Sugar Free or Regular
>
>Let's help out our men/women soldiers!!
>
>Nichole
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>

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81331 From: katnjeff4 <katnjeff4@h...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:38pm
Subject: Care Packages & the USO

You all are right!! You can not just go send mail or packages to our
troops, that is why I went to the USO.

The list that Nichoel posted today has alot of what they need, just
think of what you would need if you where trapped on a desert
island...and thats what is needed. We can NOT send
clothes, chocolate, meats, alcohol or porn.(sorry guys!!)

There will be drop off sites at Fiesta Mall by Sears Sat. the 29th
from 5pm to 7pm, and one on Sun. the 30th at Desert Sky Mall by Sears
from 5pm to 7pm. You may also drop off stuff at my home in Gilbert,
send me a email or call for directions.

I want to have everything to the USO in San Diego the weekend of
April 5th.

THANKS KAT! katnjeff4@h... 480-396-1770

By the way if you all want to do a "Run" to San Diego I can get room
rates or camp info. Let me know.

81332 From: jcteel <jcteel1@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:47pm
Subject: Re: Sedona trip

Darnella,

I think Scott probably just cut and pasted the group assignments from
the website. There have been alot of new people sign up over the
last couple of weeks and the group assignments were never updated.
I'm sure Scott will be creating new groups for all the people that
have signed up over the last couple of weeks.

John

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Darnella" <Zesty1@c...> wrote:
> MessageAhhh, is there a reason why some people names are NOT on
this list??????
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> To: AZ_VJC
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:28 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Sedona trip
>
>
> Hello,
>
> The trip will go on!
>
> It looks like Joe has setup multiple smaller groups as listed
below.
>
> Flight 1 --- Lead; Joe West, Gunner; Bob Jaques
> Members; Mike Kelly, Mike Lopez, Steve Murdock, Allen Bernhardt,
Chris Lindsey
>
> Flight 2 --- Lead; Scott Kruize, Gunner; Don Whitehead
> Members; Mike Fissel, Jonathan Dexter, Bill Scheller, Richard
Logan, Keith Bowcut
>
> Flight 3 --- Lead; Scott Rafferty, Gunner; Lon Robison
> Members; Dan Lindblad, Troy Sylvia, Ruben Aviles, Stephen
Metcalf, Eric Herring
>
> Flight 4 --- Lead; Tom Le, Gunner; TBD
> Members; Brandon Sudeith, John Whitaker, Scott Grigsby, Veronica
O'Halloran,Frank Bell, Kit Carson
>
> Flight 5 --- Lead; Dan Sexton, Gunner; Nichole Freemon
> Members; Barry Cox, LC Lay, Jason La Montagne, Brandon Kowalski,
John Teel
>
> Flight 6 --- Lead; Rick Beer, Gunner; Brandon Reid
> Members; Al Pioquinto, Jack Sheeler, Mike Acuna,Brad Gailey,
Lance Wilson
>
> Flight 7 --- Lead; Nasser Pirshafiey, Gunner; TBD
> Members; Darrell Malin, Mia McCarty, Mike Reyes, Dennis Vega,
Jeff Cox, Jason Brown,Joe Shikany
>
> Joe has carefully grouped certain members together and rather
than juggle members around we'll just have group 2 leave before group
1 so I can take over the lead position as requested by Joe. It looks
like Tom Le and Nasser do not have a designated tail gunner. I trust
these guys to pick a gunner of their choice either in advance or at
the trailhead.
>
> As usual we will use CB channel 4. It would be nice if the trip
leaders of groups 1-7 would each have an FRS radio so we can
communicate independently of the CB and keep things organized. I will
have 2 extras available if any of the leaders do not have one.
>
> The list above will be updated as necessary though none of the
group assignments that are listed will change. If anyone drops out I
will remove there name and if anyone new signs up they will be added
to a group. So if you see your name listed in a group then count on
being in that group.
>
> Joe mentioned using colored ribbons to designate group members.
This is great idea. I will need to acquire some ribbon today and will
assign a color to each group later today. We will designate each trip
leader as Red1, etc so as to make communication easier betweeen trip
leaders.
>
> We will need to stop and acquire our Red Rock passes. I will post
more details as soon as I can.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
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81333 From: James Rogers <skijunkie@c...>
Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:26am
Subject: Which Rack?

I need a storage rack, one that is easily removed when the weekend is over.
Recommendations for the best one, or, anyone have one for sale?

81334 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 6:16am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, March 29, 2003

Hello All,

Jay Eller is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, March 29, 2003.

When: Meeting at 8am. Heading out about 8:30am.
Where: S.W. Corner of Indian School and Central
Rating: None
Length: 2-3 hours
CB Channel:

Support Rally for the Troops:

A large group are gathering and will be riding to downtown Phoenix to the Weslin Bolin Plaza to show support for the troops in Iraq. There will be motorcycles (Harley's and the like), Jeeps, trucks, etc all heading down. Please come and help to show your support. Whether you approve or disapprove of the war, at least come to show you are thinking about the troops and are concerned for their well being.

Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List

Thank You,

- The AzVJC Website

81335 From: Tom Jacobson <tjacobson@t...>
Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 6:41am
Subject: Fixing a Stripped Drain Plug

While rolling under the Jeep to get an idea of where to route a new exhaust on the YJ, I noticed a drip of oil hanging from the head of the drain plug in the oil pan.

Grabbed a socket and wrench and went to give a (gentle) little turn to tighten her up, in case it was a tad loose. Well, there wasn't any real resistance in the plug/bolt...it was that "variable" feeling you get when something has stripped out. Dammit!

So I've searched the usual parts stores for a "single oversize" drain plug, but to no avail. I did buy a standard replacement plug, in case it is what has stripped, but I've got a bad feeling it's the threads in the pan itself.

Anyone know where to find a Single Oversize, 14mm - 1.25 pitch drain plug???? This particular size was something they (A-zone, Checker, Napa) said couldn't even be ordered, either. Sound like a dealer item???

Thanks in advance,
Tom J.

81336 From: Mark Spear <TheEEP@4...>
Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 7:00am
Subject:

Urgent -- All group automotive events may be terminated by this legislation.

AZ LEGISLATIVE ACTION ALERT
Oppose HB2386 at Senate NRT Hearing 3-25-03
"The Ticket & Tow Anti-Cruising Bill"

The Arizona Automobile Hobbyist Council (AAHC) needs your help NOW on HB2386 "The Ticket & Tow Anti-Cruising bill."

This bill goes before the Az Senate Natural Resources & Transportation Committee (NRT) on Tuesday 3-25-03 at 1:30 pm.

ACTION REQUESTED: Read the legislative update below and e-mail or call each of the seven NRT Senators listed.

Thanks for standing-up for our hobby. Remember, it's united we drive, and divided, were ticketed and towed for cruising.

Arizona motorists and vehicle clubs are asked to "politely" call or e-mail the 7-member Senate Transportation Committee only until 1:30 pm on Tuesday 3-25-03 to firmly insist that they vote no on the vague and heavy-handed HB2386.

Please let these 7-State Senators know your opinion on this important issue of personal freedom & mobility. A one or two paragraph e-mail opposing HB2386 is all that is needed to defend an activity that means so much to so many.

You could also call the Senators secretary and ask to leave a message simply requesting that they just vote NO. You don't even have to give a reason for opposing HB2386. Tell them to just say No to HB2386.

Arizona State Senate Transportation Committee Members:
Chair Linda Binder 602-542-4138 or lbinder@azleg.state.az.us
Vice Chair Marilyn Jarrett 542-5288 or mjarrett@azleg.state.az.us
Carolyn Allen 542-4480 or callen@azleg.state.az.us
Robert Blendu 542-5955 or rblendu@azleg.state.az.us
Bob Cannell 542-4139 or rcannell@azleg.state.az.us
Marsha Arzberger 542-4321 or marzberg@azleg.state.az.us
Jack Brown 542-4129 or jbrown@azleg.state.az.us

Your voice does count, to live free you must participate in democracy.

A.A.H.C. Legislative Update
Oppose House Bill 2386
"The Ticket & Tow Anti-Cruising Bill"

Az House Bill 2386 subtitled as "Dangerous Driving Behavior; Violation" introduced on 2-6-03, will make recreational cruising around a violation equal to "Racing On Highways" AND/OR any other local ordinance "That Regulates Or Prohibits Processions Or Assemblages On The Highways" AND/OR "Obstructing A Highway By Creating An Unreasonable Inconvenience Or Hazard."

HB2386 will ALSO allow the ticketing police officer to tow the vehicle if permitted by local ordinance. On 3-11-03, HB2386 was amended to exempt from ticketing and towing "assemblages of less than 20 vehicles participating in or traveling to or from a legitimate event for the purpose of exhibiting vehicles."

HB2386's purposely vague ticket and tow strategy was designed to force almost ANY vehicle off the road, anytime, anywhere, coming or going, fast or slow. Even STANDING STILL (an assemblage) you could be found in violation of Dangerous Driving Behavior and have your vehicle impounded.

Also, given a broad interpretation by local ordinance's and local traffic courts, HB2386 could easily become a weapon of mass disruption to Arizona's vehicle clubs, local cruise nights and charity runs.

HB2386, also known as "The Ticket & Tow Anti-Cruising bill," easily and unanimously (12-for & 0-opposed) passed through 3 separate Az House of Representatives committee hearings. On 3-12-03, HB2386 passed to the Az State Senate by a 35-for & 22-opposed final floor vote of the Az House of Representatives.

On 3-19-03 it was assigned to two Az State Senate committee's (Natural Resources & Transportation and Rules). If HB2386 passes out of NRT on 3-25-03, the last chance for Az motorists and hobbyists to speak-up against HB2386 will be in the 7-member Senate Rules Committee. If it passes Rules, only a final floor vote of the full
Az State Senate's 30 members can determine the future of recreational cruising in Arizona.

*** For more info on which Az Legislative District you now live in and who your current State Senator is, (please note that all new districts were formed after the 11-02 elections) and to easily check the current status of any proposed bill, and to read the full-text of these bills with the proposed changes hi-lighted in a different color. (Read the bills first, as the summary's are usually understated and misleading.) Check out the State of Arizona's website at: http://www.azleg.state.az.us or call 602-542-3559 or 520-628-6596 for the State's info desks to get updates and check districts. Call the "bill room" at 602-542-4379 to receive up to 5-free copies of any bill.

**** Also check out the Arizona Automobile Hobbyist Council's website at: http://www.azautohobby.org for more info on this bill and on other proposed vehicle legislation. If you have any questions or wish to do more to help the cause, contact AAHC Legislative Representative Bill Gilmore at: AzCarCrazy@AOL.com or call 602-230-7111, or contact AAHC President Billie Jo Dahmer at: AzOutlaw@AOL.com or call 623-247-7829.