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81212 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:08pm
Subject: RE: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Lon,

I was following the links your provided and found this rather
disappointing news on www.defenselink.mil The release is dated March
22, 2003. It says:


TROOP SUPPORT MAIL POLICY STRESSED

To bolster force protection, the general public is urged not to send
unsolicited mail, care packages or donations to service members forward
deployed unless you are a family member, loved one or personal friend.

On Oct. 30, 2002, the Department of Defense (DoD) suspended the
"Operation Dear Abby" and "Any Servicemember" mail programs due to force
protection concerns. Although these programs provide an excellent means
of support to friends and loved ones stationed overseas, they also
provide an avenue to introduce hazardous substances or materials into
the mail system from unknown sources. Unsolicited mail, packages and
donations from organizations and individuals also compete for limited
airlift space used to transport supplies, war-fighting materiel and mail
from family and loved ones.

Recently, DoD has become aware of organizations and individuals who
continue to support some form of the "Any Servicemember" program by
using the names and addresses of individual servicemembers and unit
addresses. These programs are usually supported by well-intentioned,
thoughtful and patriotic groups who are simply unaware of the new risks
facing deployed military forces. Some individuals and groups publicize
the names and addresses of service members, ships or units on Web sites,
with good intentions. The result, however, is a potential danger to the
troops they wish to support.

DoD cannot support creative and well-intentioned efforts that defeat
force protection measures, but can instead recommend alternatives to
mail and donation programs. To show support to troops overseas, the
following are recommended:

* Log on to the following Web sites to show support, to include greeting
cards, virtual Thank You cards and calling card donations to help troops
stay in contact with loved ones:

http://www.defendamerica.mil/support_troops.html

http://www.usocares.org/home.htm

http://www.army.mil/operations/iraq/faq.html

* Visit Department of Veterans Affairs hospitals and nursing homes.
Volunteer your services to honor veterans who served in past conflicts.

Mail from family members and loved ones has always been encouraged and
the military mail system will continue to work hard to get that mail to
servicemembers overseas.




Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:39 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Well said Stu. As another who was ridiculed and looked down upon during
that far off "confilict" in SE Asia, I can vouch for how much it means
to them.

Here are a couple of ways to show them you appreciate their sacrifices,
without having to wait for them to return.

Operation Dear Abby (E-Mail) http://www.operationdearabby.net
Sign Virtual Thank-You Card http://www.defendamerica.mil
Donate Calling Card to Soldier http://www.operationuplink.org

Lon

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:13 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; 'Chris'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

Great post Stu. I think the pro troop rally's just make those who attend
them feel all warm and tingly inside. If they really want to support
them
write an e-mail, call your friends and family and find somebody who is
serving and write a letter to them and have them share it with the rest
of
the members of their troop, brigade, etc. Go donate blood too. There are
so
many ways to actually make a difference. I agree that standing on the
corner
yelling at antiwar protesters does nothing but possibly put yourself in
the
wrong place at possibly the wrong time when violence may erupt.

Or better yet go visit your local recruiter and sign up!

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:04 AM
To: 'Chris'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Chris,

Please understand that I very much consider myself to be as patriotic as
any
red blooded American. I am the 3rd generation in my family to have
served
in the military. My grandfather was in the Great War, my father in
WWII,
and I did an 8 year hitch during the Vietnam era. I honestly do believe
I
am patriotic, enough so that I was willing to die for my country while
defending it (and I still would if need be).

That being said, if you want THE TROOPS to know you are supporting them,
then give them one hell of a WELCOME BACK when they return....in other
words, when THEY can see you are supporting them. I can tell you, from
first hand experience, there is nothing better than to be welcomed back
home
by a HUGE crowd of people after you have been deployed for a long period
of
time.

For my take, the recent troop rally discussion seemed to be born around
the
idea of showing the anti-war protestors that others don't share the same
opinion. To me, that is showing the anti-war folks that we don't agree
with
them (and I don't)....but I don't see our troops getting much from this
message. Arguing with an anti-war protestor is like arguing with a
frickin;
anti-recreationist. Fight the fights you know you can win.

Like I said, I'll show up and WELCOME THEM HOME so THEY can see that I
support THEM!

And I do look forward to seeing you on the next trail run, LU meeting,
or
where ever we should happen to bump into each other.

Take care........Stu


Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 11:21 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

I must have missed the boat when they handed out he mind reading part
of the brain. Seems like everyone knows what others are thinking
these days.

While it was posted here and people who feel the same attended I
missed the post that informed eveyone they had to feel the same way.

As far as it being OT, I agree that is why I added it to the subject
line. And while it is maybe not Jeep related the fact that we are at
war and it was to show our support for the men and women that give us
each the freedom to speak our minds, have the opportunity to attend a
rally or land use meeting and even our right to wheel our Jeeps kind
of means it does involve all of us on some level (IMO). Heck if the
armed forces don't defend our freedom we may not have land to wheel
on in the future no matter what anyone says.

As far as the issue of sad about where our support lies, while I
agree often times support at land use meetings is lower that it
should be, one is talking about loss of land the other loss of life.
If we lose land we can fight to get it back, lives you can never get
back. Right now we are fighting to be sure that we don't lose over 3
thousand lives again due to senseless attacks. THink of it another
way, which is worse if you lose your home or your child or maybe your
spouse.

I will see many of you at the next land use meeting I can make and I
will also see whoever shows up to the next support showing for our
troops.

Chris
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--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Hi Sharky,
>
> I think the problem with the rally post is that it is not a Jeep
related
> issue. The bottom line (in my opinion) is that land use issues are
ontopic
> and troop support rallys are offtopic. Just because I don't support
the
> rally being a club run doesn't mean I don't support the troops or
the idea
> of a rally. So if you feel that the rally idea hasn't gotten
deserved
> attention its probably because other people come here to read Jeep
stuff and
> ignore the rest that isn't Jeep related.
>
> Another problem is that somebody needs to pickup the ball and lead
this
> rally. Whoever takes on this responsibility will need to coordinate
with law
> enforcement in advance as well as put out some notices to the local
media.
> Maybe it won't be an AZVJC function but there needs to be a leader
> nonetheless and a contact list generated of interested people. Once
this
> person has setup the event then by all means I hope they post an
invitation
> on the list so that individual AZVJC members that are interested
can attend.
> Those that don't like it can stay home (or organize a counter
demonstration
> across the street)
>
> Why don't I support this as an AZVJC function? First of all the only
> politics this group really deals with are land issues and the
majority of us
> feel the same about that topic. When we start talking about war and
the
> politics surrounding it then you start to divide the group. I know
there are
> liberal and conservative members here and of course there probably
are
> Jeepers participating in both types of rallys. Who are we to tell
the rest
> of the group which way to think?
>
> That being said, I'm proudly flyin the Stars and Stripes in front
of my
> house in support of the troops and find myself glued to Fox News
these days.
> I've even got a TV tuner in my PC and I'm listening as I type this.
<Grin>
>
>
> That's my take on it all.
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:56 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
>
>
> Its funny you should mention that considering the support our
> troops rally got less attention from the club than the land use
> issues. Somethings are just more important than others at certain
> times.
> To each their own but at this time my money is on a much bigger
> picture.
>
> Sharky
>
>
>
>
> > > Stu,
> > > It is a shame that these club members show so much effort for
> > supporting
> > > our troops (rightfully so) and only a fraction get as
> enthusiastic
> > about
> > > land use meetings.
> > > I have my reasons for staying at home and not being able to
> > participate
> > > in any activities with the club.
> > > A club run showing support for our troops in Prescott would have
> > been
> > > the way to go.
> > >
> > > Joey K
> > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > 93YJ
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:06 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > > Wow.....that idea went over like a lead brick.
> > >
> > > <shrug>
> > >
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:04 PM
> > > To: Bob Jacques; jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > > Even a better idea.....hit the BLM land use meeting tomorrow AM
in
> > > Prescott and then do Support Our Troops afterwards! Might as
well
> > > kill
> two
> > birds
> > > with the same stone!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@m...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:04 PM
> > > To: 'jeff.trujillo@m...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know if it can be organized that quick ! but hopefully
it
> > will
> > > all
> > > be over by next weekend!! (except for the mop up )... How about
> > posting
> > > it
> > > as a run right now to see who signs up? I can see it now,
100+
> > jeeps
> > > cruisin with flags a flyin' ! Pretty impressive show of
> support!!!
> > > Bob
> > > J
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:42 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > >
> > > I think there are only three of us that are willing to do this!
I
> > am up
> > > for
> > > saturday but we need more people!!!
> > >
> > > Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > Field Service Representative
> > > MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > Fax:(480)346-6813
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:40 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > >
> > > Do we want to do this on the weekend? Not sure if we target
the
> > > Capitol we would get much response over the weekend. Then again
> if
> > > we do it during the week in the evening it wouldn't be any
better
> > > and I am not sure that many can take time off work. So how
about
> > > this weekend sometime? Saturday evening? Maybe cruise down
Mill?
> > >
> > > Keep throwing out ideas everyone.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
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> --
> > -
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled"
> <intertwingled@q...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > anti-dorks = peacemongering surrender monkeys?
> > > >
> > > > Count me in. I hate those guys.
> > > >
> > > > At 08:22 PM 3/21/03 -0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Only if I can bring my baseball bat.
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, jeff.trujillo@m... wrote:
> > > > >> So are we going to try and put something together? I'm in
for
> > > doing
> > > > >a demo
> > > > >> at the capital across the street from the anti-dorks :o)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > > >> Field Service Representative
> > > > >> MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > > >> jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > > >> Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > > >> Fax:(480)346-6813
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Bill [mailto:bill@j...]
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:47 AM
> > > > >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm in also
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --------------
> > > > >> Bill - Jeeps Only
> > > > >> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> > > > >> A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps
only
> > > > >> -----------------------------------------------------------
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> -
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...>
> wrote:
> > > > >> > Anyone up for putting on a public display to show our
> > > support?
> > > > >All
> > > > >> > I keep seeing is people protesting and thinking this has
to
> > > to
> > > > >with
> > > > >> > oil or how it is going to affect the dollars spent on
their
> > > > >> > education.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Just a thought.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Chris
> > > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------
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81213 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:23pm
Subject: Re: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


They have been reporting this on CNN and Fox news all day, but I was not
sure of the applicability to the case at hand. It now seems that idea will
not work at least for now.

Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Lon Robinson'" <lrobinson@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


> Lon,
>
> I was following the links your provided and found this rather
> disappointing news on www.defenselink.mil The release is dated March
> 22, 2003. It says:
>
>
> TROOP SUPPORT MAIL POLICY STRESSED
>
> To bolster force protection, the general public is urged not to send
> unsolicited mail, care packages or donations to service members forward
> deployed unless you are a family member, loved one or personal friend.
>
> On Oct. 30, 2002, the Department of Defense (DoD) suspended the
> "Operation Dear Abby" and "Any Servicemember" mail programs due to force
> protection concerns. Although these programs provide an excellent means
> of support to friends and loved ones stationed overseas, they also
> provide an avenue to introduce hazardous substances or materials into
> the mail system from unknown sources. Unsolicited mail, packages and
> donations from organizations and individuals also compete for limited
> airlift space used to transport supplies, war-fighting materiel and mail
> from family and loved ones.
>
> Recently, DoD has become aware of organizations and individuals who
> continue to support some form of the "Any Servicemember" program by
> using the names and addresses of individual servicemembers and unit
> addresses. These programs are usually supported by well-intentioned,
> thoughtful and patriotic groups who are simply unaware of the new risks
> facing deployed military forces. Some individuals and groups publicize
> the names and addresses of service members, ships or units on Web sites,
> with good intentions. The result, however, is a potential danger to the
> troops they wish to support.
>
> DoD cannot support creative and well-intentioned efforts that defeat
> force protection measures, but can instead recommend alternatives to
> mail and donation programs. To show support to troops overseas, the
> following are recommended:
>
> * Log on to the following Web sites to show support, to include greeting
> cards, virtual Thank You cards and calling card donations to help troops
> stay in contact with loved ones:
>
> http://www.defendamerica.mil/support_troops.html
>
> http://www.usocares.org/home.htm
>
> http://www.army.mil/operations/iraq/faq.html
>
> * Visit Department of Veterans Affairs hospitals and nursing homes.
> Volunteer your services to honor veterans who served in past conflicts.
>
> Mail from family members and loved ones has always been encouraged and
> the military mail system will continue to work hard to get that mail to
> servicemembers overseas.
>
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
>
>
> Well said Stu. As another who was ridiculed and looked down upon during
> that far off "confilict" in SE Asia, I can vouch for how much it means
> to them.
>
> Here are a couple of ways to show them you appreciate their sacrifices,
> without having to wait for them to return.
>
> Operation Dear Abby (E-Mail) http://www.operationdearabby.net
> Sign Virtual Thank-You Card http://www.defendamerica.mil
> Donate Calling Card to Soldier http://www.operationuplink.org
>
> Lon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:13 PM
> To: 'Stu Olson'; 'Chris'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
>
> Great post Stu. I think the pro troop rally's just make those who attend
> them feel all warm and tingly inside. If they really want to support
> them
> write an e-mail, call your friends and family and find somebody who is
> serving and write a letter to them and have them share it with the rest
> of
> the members of their troop, brigade, etc. Go donate blood too. There are
> so
> many ways to actually make a difference. I agree that standing on the
> corner
> yelling at antiwar protesters does nothing but possibly put yourself in
> the
> wrong place at possibly the wrong time when violence may erupt.
>
> Or better yet go visit your local recruiter and sign up!
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:04 AM
> To: 'Chris'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
>
>
> Chris,
>
> Please understand that I very much consider myself to be as patriotic as
> any
> red blooded American. I am the 3rd generation in my family to have
> served
> in the military. My grandfather was in the Great War, my father in
> WWII,
> and I did an 8 year hitch during the Vietnam era. I honestly do believe
> I
> am patriotic, enough so that I was willing to die for my country while
> defending it (and I still would if need be).
>
> That being said, if you want THE TROOPS to know you are supporting them,
> then give them one hell of a WELCOME BACK when they return....in other
> words, when THEY can see you are supporting them. I can tell you, from
> first hand experience, there is nothing better than to be welcomed back
> home
> by a HUGE crowd of people after you have been deployed for a long period
> of
> time.
>
> For my take, the recent troop rally discussion seemed to be born around
> the
> idea of showing the anti-war protestors that others don't share the same
> opinion. To me, that is showing the anti-war folks that we don't agree
> with
> them (and I don't)....but I don't see our troops getting much from this
> message. Arguing with an anti-war protestor is like arguing with a
> frickin;
> anti-recreationist. Fight the fights you know you can win.
>
> Like I said, I'll show up and WELCOME THEM HOME so THEY can see that I
> support THEM!
>
> And I do look forward to seeing you on the next trail run, LU meeting,
> or
> where ever we should happen to bump into each other.
>
> Take care........Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 11:21 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
>
> I must have missed the boat when they handed out he mind reading part
> of the brain. Seems like everyone knows what others are thinking
> these days.
>
> While it was posted here and people who feel the same attended I
> missed the post that informed eveyone they had to feel the same way.
>
> As far as it being OT, I agree that is why I added it to the subject
> line. And while it is maybe not Jeep related the fact that we are at
> war and it was to show our support for the men and women that give us
> each the freedom to speak our minds, have the opportunity to attend a
> rally or land use meeting and even our right to wheel our Jeeps kind
> of means it does involve all of us on some level (IMO). Heck if the
> armed forces don't defend our freedom we may not have land to wheel
> on in the future no matter what anyone says.
>
> As far as the issue of sad about where our support lies, while I
> agree often times support at land use meetings is lower that it
> should be, one is talking about loss of land the other loss of life.
> If we lose land we can fight to get it back, lives you can never get
> back. Right now we are fighting to be sure that we don't lose over 3
> thousand lives again due to senseless attacks. THink of it another
> way, which is worse if you lose your home or your child or maybe your
> spouse.
>
> I will see many of you at the next land use meeting I can make and I
> will also see whoever shows up to the next support showing for our
> troops.
>
> Chris
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Sharky,
> >
> > I think the problem with the rally post is that it is not a Jeep
> related
> > issue. The bottom line (in my opinion) is that land use issues are
> ontopic
> > and troop support rallys are offtopic. Just because I don't support
> the
> > rally being a club run doesn't mean I don't support the troops or
> the idea
> > of a rally. So if you feel that the rally idea hasn't gotten
> deserved
> > attention its probably because other people come here to read Jeep
> stuff and
> > ignore the rest that isn't Jeep related.
> >
> > Another problem is that somebody needs to pickup the ball and lead
> this
> > rally. Whoever takes on this responsibility will need to coordinate
> with law
> > enforcement in advance as well as put out some notices to the local
> media.
> > Maybe it won't be an AZVJC function but there needs to be a leader
> > nonetheless and a contact list generated of interested people. Once
> this
> > person has setup the event then by all means I hope they post an
> invitation
> > on the list so that individual AZVJC members that are interested
> can attend.
> > Those that don't like it can stay home (or organize a counter
> demonstration
> > across the street)
> >
> > Why don't I support this as an AZVJC function? First of all the only
> > politics this group really deals with are land issues and the
> majority of us
> > feel the same about that topic. When we start talking about war and
> the
> > politics surrounding it then you start to divide the group. I know
> there are
> > liberal and conservative members here and of course there probably
> are
> > Jeepers participating in both types of rallys. Who are we to tell
> the rest
> > of the group which way to think?
> >
> > That being said, I'm proudly flyin the Stars and Stripes in front
> of my
> > house in support of the troops and find myself glued to Fox News
> these days.
> > I've even got a TV tuner in my PC and I'm listening as I type this.
> <Grin>
> >
> >
> > That's my take on it all.
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:56 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > Its funny you should mention that considering the support our
> > troops rally got less attention from the club than the land use
> > issues. Somethings are just more important than others at certain
> > times.
> > To each their own but at this time my money is on a much bigger
> > picture.
> >
> > Sharky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Stu,
> > > > It is a shame that these club members show so much effort for
> > > supporting
> > > > our troops (rightfully so) and only a fraction get as
> > enthusiastic
> > > about
> > > > land use meetings.
> > > > I have my reasons for staying at home and not being able to
> > > participate
> > > > in any activities with the club.
> > > > A club run showing support for our troops in Prescott would have
> > > been
> > > > the way to go.
> > > >
> > > > Joey K
> > > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > > 93YJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:06 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > >
> > > > Wow.....that idea went over like a lead brick.
> > > >
> > > > <shrug>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Stu Olson
> > > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:04 PM
> > > > To: Bob Jacques; jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > >
> > > > Even a better idea.....hit the BLM land use meeting tomorrow AM
> in
> > > > Prescott and then do Support Our Troops afterwards! Might as
> well
> > > > kill
> > two
> > > birds
> > > > with the same stone!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Stu Olson
> > > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@m...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:04 PM
> > > > To: 'jeff.trujillo@m...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if it can be organized that quick ! but hopefully
> it
> > > will
> > > > all
> > > > be over by next weekend!! (except for the mop up )... How about
> > > posting
> > > > it
> > > > as a run right now to see who signs up? I can see it now,
> 100+
> > > jeeps
> > > > cruisin with flags a flyin' ! Pretty impressive show of
> > support!!!
> > > > Bob
> > > > J
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > > [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:42 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think there are only three of us that are willing to do this!
> I
> > > am up
> > > > for
> > > > saturday but we need more people!!!
> > > >
> > > > Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > > Field Service Representative
> > > > MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > > jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > > Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > > Fax:(480)346-6813
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:40 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do we want to do this on the weekend? Not sure if we target
> the
> > > > Capitol we would get much response over the weekend. Then again
> > if
> > > > we do it during the week in the evening it wouldn't be any
> better
> > > > and I am not sure that many can take time off work. So how
> about
> > > > this weekend sometime? Saturday evening? Maybe cruise down
> Mill?
> > > >
> > > > Keep throwing out ideas everyone.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > --
> > > -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled"
> > <intertwingled@q...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > anti-dorks = peacemongering surrender monkeys?
> > > > >
> > > > > Count me in. I hate those guys.
> > > > >
> > > > > At 08:22 PM 3/21/03 -0000, you wrote:
> > > > > >Only if I can bring my baseball bat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, jeff.trujillo@m... wrote:
> > > > > >> So are we going to try and put something together? I'm in
> for
> > > > doing
> > > > > >a demo
> > > > > >> at the capital across the street from the anti-dorks :o)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > > > >> Field Service Representative
> > > > > >> MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > > > >> jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > > > >> Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > > > >> Fax:(480)346-6813
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> From: Bill [mailto:bill@j...]
> > > > > >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:47 AM
> > > > > >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I'm in also
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --------------
> > > > > >> Bill - Jeeps Only
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> > -
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >> > Anyone up for putting on a public display to show our
> > > > support?
> > > > > >All
> > > > > >> > I keep seeing is people protesting and thinking this has
> to
> > > > to
> > > > > >with
> > > > > >> > oil or how it is going to affect the dollars spent on
> their
> > > > > >> > education.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Just a thought.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Chris
> > > > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------
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81214 From: Amanda Halverson <lil_willys_jpr@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:26pm
Subject: My Willys Diary - entry 1


Sunday, March 23, 2003

Today was a great day to work on a Jeep and an even better day to start the long process of restoring a 1951 Willys CJ-3A. As some of you may know my father, John Halverson, and I, Amanda, have acquired a Willys Jeep for the sole purpose of restoring it and giving it to me when I turn 16. We have been doing little things to it like changing the oil and fixing the brakes but today we finally started in on the big tough stuff!


First we took off the hood, after carefully taking pictures and writing on index cards so as to not forget how to put it back together. We then put paint stripper on it. We got a little anxious while waiting the grueling 30 minutes for the paint remover to work so we decided to take off the left fender, more taking pictures and writing. While the LEFT fender sat with the paint stripper on it we took off the RIGHT fender.


We worked and worked with putty knives scraping and scraping, both wondering silently about the burning sensation in our hands. I could no longer stand the pain and voiced my discomfort. We both realized that it probably wasn't the best idea to let something that could virtually melt paint on our bare skin. Two pairs of gloves each and about 4 coats of paint stripper later we discovered that there had been about 5 separate coats of paint on the hood and one or two various blotches of lime green.


We have it mostly stripped down, we had to stop because a recent illness had left us (me) slightly weaker than normal. As we came down to the last coat of paint I noticed that the Willys lettering was orange and the rest of the hood tan. Is this normal to have the lettering a different color?, and if so does the color of the letters usually coordinate with the color of, say, the wheels?


By the way I am having a little trouble deciding what color I should paint my Jeep. My dad is going for Harvest tan with Luzon red wheels, while I want just the opposite. I think that it should be red so as to draw attention to the awesomeness of my Willys. Please email me with your opinions and comments lil_willys_jpr@yahoo.com


Thanks for listening to my little story of today's events, I hope it wasn't too boring! Please respond with any information you have, it is GREATLY appreciated.


Amanda Halverson


Amanda Halverson

1951 Willys CJ-3A





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81215 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:35pm
Subject: [TR] Moab - Sunday, April 27, 2003


Hello All,

Todd Ahern is leading a Moab trail run on Sunday, April 27, 2003.

When: Leaving Phoenix at 0400 hrs.
Where:
Rating: 2.0+
Length: 9 hours
CB Channel: 4

Heading to the 2nd Anual Jeeps Unlimited Moab Run. Will be spending the week up there coming home either the 3rd or 4th of May.

[Someone please send me some information on the trails in this area...]

Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List

Thank You,

- The AzVJC Website


81216 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:45pm
Subject: RE: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


I think parts of the links should be OK. The first two provide for
email thank you messages and the operation uplink provides for donations
of calling cards. I didn't see anything to indicate that any of the
three disclosed any information about the individual servicemembers.
Also, the defendamerica.mil site contains links to military service
organizations such as the Navy/Marine Relief Society than can always use
donations.

Lon

-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:08 PM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
Importance: High

Lon,

I was following the links your provided and found this rather
disappointing news on www.defenselink.mil The release is dated March
22, 2003. It says:


TROOP SUPPORT MAIL POLICY STRESSED

To bolster force protection, the general public is urged not to send
unsolicited mail, care packages or donations to service members forward
deployed unless you are a family member, loved one or personal friend.

On Oct. 30, 2002, the Department of Defense (DoD) suspended the
"Operation Dear Abby" and "Any Servicemember" mail programs due to force
protection concerns. Although these programs provide an excellent means
of support to friends and loved ones stationed overseas, they also
provide an avenue to introduce hazardous substances or materials into
the mail system from unknown sources. Unsolicited mail, packages and
donations from organizations and individuals also compete for limited
airlift space used to transport supplies, war-fighting materiel and mail
from family and loved ones.

Recently, DoD has become aware of organizations and individuals who
continue to support some form of the "Any Servicemember" program by
using the names and addresses of individual servicemembers and unit
addresses. These programs are usually supported by well-intentioned,
thoughtful and patriotic groups who are simply unaware of the new risks
facing deployed military forces. Some individuals and groups publicize
the names and addresses of service members, ships or units on Web sites,
with good intentions. The result, however, is a potential danger to the
troops they wish to support.

DoD cannot support creative and well-intentioned efforts that defeat
force protection measures, but can instead recommend alternatives to
mail and donation programs. To show support to troops overseas, the
following are recommended:

* Log on to the following Web sites to show support, to include greeting
cards, virtual Thank You cards and calling card donations to help troops
stay in contact with loved ones:

http://www.defendamerica.mil/support_troops.html

http://www.usocares.org/home.htm

http://www.army.mil/operations/iraq/faq.html

* Visit Department of Veterans Affairs hospitals and nursing homes.
Volunteer your services to honor veterans who served in past conflicts.

Mail from family members and loved ones has always been encouraged and
the military mail system will continue to work hard to get that mail to
servicemembers overseas.




Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:39 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Well said Stu. As another who was ridiculed and looked down upon during
that far off "confilict" in SE Asia, I can vouch for how much it means
to them.

Here are a couple of ways to show them you appreciate their sacrifices,
without having to wait for them to return.

Operation Dear Abby (E-Mail) http://www.operationdearabby.net
Sign Virtual Thank-You Card http://www.defendamerica.mil
Donate Calling Card to Soldier http://www.operationuplink.org

Lon

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:13 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; 'Chris'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

Great post Stu. I think the pro troop rally's just make those who attend
them feel all warm and tingly inside. If they really want to support
them
write an e-mail, call your friends and family and find somebody who is
serving and write a letter to them and have them share it with the rest
of
the members of their troop, brigade, etc. Go donate blood too. There are
so
many ways to actually make a difference. I agree that standing on the
corner
yelling at antiwar protesters does nothing but possibly put yourself in
the
wrong place at possibly the wrong time when violence may erupt.

Or better yet go visit your local recruiter and sign up!

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:04 AM
To: 'Chris'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Chris,

Please understand that I very much consider myself to be as patriotic as
any
red blooded American. I am the 3rd generation in my family to have
served
in the military. My grandfather was in the Great War, my father in
WWII,
and I did an 8 year hitch during the Vietnam era. I honestly do believe
I
am patriotic, enough so that I was willing to die for my country while
defending it (and I still would if need be).

That being said, if you want THE TROOPS to know you are supporting them,
then give them one hell of a WELCOME BACK when they return....in other
words, when THEY can see you are supporting them. I can tell you, from
first hand experience, there is nothing better than to be welcomed back
home
by a HUGE crowd of people after you have been deployed for a long period
of
time.

For my take, the recent troop rally discussion seemed to be born around
the
idea of showing the anti-war protestors that others don't share the same
opinion. To me, that is showing the anti-war folks that we don't agree
with
them (and I don't)....but I don't see our troops getting much from this
message. Arguing with an anti-war protestor is like arguing with a
frickin;
anti-recreationist. Fight the fights you know you can win.

Like I said, I'll show up and WELCOME THEM HOME so THEY can see that I
support THEM!

And I do look forward to seeing you on the next trail run, LU meeting,
or
where ever we should happen to bump into each other.

Take care........Stu


Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 11:21 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

I must have missed the boat when they handed out he mind reading part
of the brain. Seems like everyone knows what others are thinking
these days.

While it was posted here and people who feel the same attended I
missed the post that informed eveyone they had to feel the same way.

As far as it being OT, I agree that is why I added it to the subject
line. And while it is maybe not Jeep related the fact that we are at
war and it was to show our support for the men and women that give us
each the freedom to speak our minds, have the opportunity to attend a
rally or land use meeting and even our right to wheel our Jeeps kind
of means it does involve all of us on some level (IMO). Heck if the
armed forces don't defend our freedom we may not have land to wheel
on in the future no matter what anyone says.

As far as the issue of sad about where our support lies, while I
agree often times support at land use meetings is lower that it
should be, one is talking about loss of land the other loss of life.
If we lose land we can fight to get it back, lives you can never get
back. Right now we are fighting to be sure that we don't lose over 3
thousand lives again due to senseless attacks. THink of it another
way, which is worse if you lose your home or your child or maybe your
spouse.

I will see many of you at the next land use meeting I can make and I
will also see whoever shows up to the next support showing for our
troops.

Chris
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--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Hi Sharky,
>
> I think the problem with the rally post is that it is not a Jeep
related
> issue. The bottom line (in my opinion) is that land use issues are
ontopic
> and troop support rallys are offtopic. Just because I don't support
the
> rally being a club run doesn't mean I don't support the troops or
the idea
> of a rally. So if you feel that the rally idea hasn't gotten
deserved
> attention its probably because other people come here to read Jeep
stuff and
> ignore the rest that isn't Jeep related.
>
> Another problem is that somebody needs to pickup the ball and lead
this
> rally. Whoever takes on this responsibility will need to coordinate
with law
> enforcement in advance as well as put out some notices to the local
media.
> Maybe it won't be an AZVJC function but there needs to be a leader
> nonetheless and a contact list generated of interested people. Once
this
> person has setup the event then by all means I hope they post an
invitation
> on the list so that individual AZVJC members that are interested
can attend.
> Those that don't like it can stay home (or organize a counter
demonstration
> across the street)
>
> Why don't I support this as an AZVJC function? First of all the only
> politics this group really deals with are land issues and the
majority of us
> feel the same about that topic. When we start talking about war and
the
> politics surrounding it then you start to divide the group. I know
there are
> liberal and conservative members here and of course there probably
are
> Jeepers participating in both types of rallys. Who are we to tell
the rest
> of the group which way to think?
>
> That being said, I'm proudly flyin the Stars and Stripes in front
of my
> house in support of the troops and find myself glued to Fox News
these days.
> I've even got a TV tuner in my PC and I'm listening as I type this.
<Grin>
>
>
> That's my take on it all.
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:56 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
>
>
> Its funny you should mention that considering the support our
> troops rally got less attention from the club than the land use
> issues. Somethings are just more important than others at certain
> times.
> To each their own but at this time my money is on a much bigger
> picture.
>
> Sharky
>
>
>
>
> > > Stu,
> > > It is a shame that these club members show so much effort for
> > supporting
> > > our troops (rightfully so) and only a fraction get as
> enthusiastic
> > about
> > > land use meetings.
> > > I have my reasons for staying at home and not being able to
> > participate
> > > in any activities with the club.
> > > A club run showing support for our troops in Prescott would have
> > been
> > > the way to go.
> > >
> > > Joey K
> > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > 93YJ
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:06 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > > Wow.....that idea went over like a lead brick.
> > >
> > > <shrug>
> > >
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:04 PM
> > > To: Bob Jacques; jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > > Even a better idea.....hit the BLM land use meeting tomorrow AM
in
> > > Prescott and then do Support Our Troops afterwards! Might as
well
> > > kill
> two
> > birds
> > > with the same stone!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@m...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:04 PM
> > > To: 'jeff.trujillo@m...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know if it can be organized that quick ! but hopefully
it
> > will
> > > all
> > > be over by next weekend!! (except for the mop up )... How about
> > posting
> > > it
> > > as a run right now to see who signs up? I can see it now,
100+
> > jeeps
> > > cruisin with flags a flyin' ! Pretty impressive show of
> support!!!
> > > Bob
> > > J
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:42 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > >
> > > I think there are only three of us that are willing to do this!
I
> > am up
> > > for
> > > saturday but we need more people!!!
> > >
> > > Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > Field Service Representative
> > > MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > Fax:(480)346-6813
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:40 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > >
> > > Do we want to do this on the weekend? Not sure if we target
the
> > > Capitol we would get much response over the weekend. Then again
> if
> > > we do it during the week in the evening it wouldn't be any
better
> > > and I am not sure that many can take time off work. So how
about
> > > this weekend sometime? Saturday evening? Maybe cruise down
Mill?
> > >
> > > Keep throwing out ideas everyone.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
--
> --
> > -
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled"
> <intertwingled@q...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > anti-dorks = peacemongering surrender monkeys?
> > > >
> > > > Count me in. I hate those guys.
> > > >
> > > > At 08:22 PM 3/21/03 -0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Only if I can bring my baseball bat.
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, jeff.trujillo@m... wrote:
> > > > >> So are we going to try and put something together? I'm in
for
> > > doing
> > > > >a demo
> > > > >> at the capital across the street from the anti-dorks :o)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > > >> Field Service Representative
> > > > >> MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > > >> jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > > >> Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > > >> Fax:(480)346-6813
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Bill [mailto:bill@j...]
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:47 AM
> > > > >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm in also
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --------------
> > > > >> Bill - Jeeps Only
> > > > >> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> > > > >> A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps
only
> > > > >> -----------------------------------------------------------
--
> -
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...>
> wrote:
> > > > >> > Anyone up for putting on a public display to show our
> > > support?
> > > > >All
> > > > >> > I keep seeing is people protesting and thinking this has
to
> > > to
> > > > >with
> > > > >> > oil or how it is going to affect the dollars spent on
their
> > > > >> > education.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Just a thought.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Chris
> > > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------
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81217 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:35pm
Subject: RE: Letter Writing Campaign- Please Do Not Ignore This.


Good letter!!! ........ but FYI......................... The OHV fund is designated for "OHV Issues" via a grant process. Governmental agencies (ALL) can apply for grants. This money is not specifically for State Trust Lands. Part of the money did, however, fund the State Land Departments OHV Program (thusly, Tammy Pikes salary and project monies). You are absolutely correct in the fact this "raid" will cause many more problems then they believe.

PLEASE................. EVERYONE WRITE THEIR LETTER!!!!! THIS IS GOING TO TAKE HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS, OF LETTERS TO TRULY GET THEIR ATTENTION. A DOZEN OR SO WILL BE A WASTE OF OUR ENERGY.

SHOW THEM WHAT THE OHV COMMUNITY IS ABOUT !!!!

Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@qwest.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:24 PM
To: Russell Gevarter; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Letter Writing Campaign- Please Do Not Ignore This.


Nice letter Russ thanks for following up on this. Jim F.

"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/

-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Gevarter [mailto:gev39@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:58 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Letter Writing Campaign- Please Do Not Ignore This.



This is very important! If you don't think your letters and phone calls make a difference, think again!
We must all write to the Governor, Senators, and ASLD Officials to tell them how OUTRAGED we are that they took the funding from OHV Management.
This action will inevitably lead to the State Land Department to becoming much less OHV-Friendly, which will result in more CLOSURES and EVENT PERMIT DENIALS.
Please get those letters out!!!!

Russell Gevarter





Dear Governor,

I would like to address the State OHV Fund that was raided this year. This
fund is generated by gasoline tax to fund State Land OHV issues. I understand that all of the 2003 money has been taken, and the 2004 money is at risk. I feel that the taking of these funds is both outrageous and unacceptable. That money was supposed to be used for OHV Management. We, the citizens of Arizona, are extremely disappointed in your decision. The money you took was intended for the management of Off Highway Vehicle use on our State Trust lands. You put people out of their jobs, and put the State Trust Land at risk.

Without these funds, there won’t be the Table Mesa cleanup events, there won’t be a liaison between the ASLD and the 4-wheel-drive clubs, Motorcycle clubs, campers and recreationalists and Jamboree participants.


There will also be losses in staff positions for enforcement and management of land use. Many of these positions had just started to make an impact on the misuse of State land and other areas.

The OHV community has pushed long and hard for education to keep our lands open to multiple use. The loss of these funds will set this program back. The State Land Department will lose its OHV Director who has worked well with the OHV community to build trust and continuity in land use.

I urge you to reconsider stripping this fund of all its money. We will only end up paying more in the future.



The State needs OHV Management.





Sincerely,



Russell D. Gevarter

48048 N. 23rd Ave

New River, AZ 85087


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81218 From: Gary Kartchner <gary@k...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:57pm
Subject: what will these fit?


I've got some black rockcrawler steel rims off of a 1963 willies.
My question is this, what size are they and what else will they fit?

I want to sell them but don't know much about what the bolt pattern
is.

Thanks in advance,
Gary K


81219 From: G.R. Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 7:02pm
Subject: Re: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Simple solution: "Horn broken - watch for finger!"

Gary Holmes

rmgonzo02@a... wrote:

>guys i got a little problem. ill be there but i have a broken horn so not much noise from me.
>
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81220 From: redpotential1995 <estaff@c...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 7:03pm
Subject: anyone in Tucson


hey there seems to be a really cool camaraderie between folks in the
club. but it seems most if you if not all are in pheonix or the
area. is anyone in tucson. respond to the email address. thanx

eric


81221 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 7:31pm
Subject: [TR] Sunflower Mine Loop - Saturday, April 5, 2003


Hello All,

Brad Rogers is leading a Sunflower Mine Loop trail run on Saturday, April 5, 2003.

When: 8:00am Meet at last gas station on Hwy. 87 heading towards Payson; across from Casino (just past Fountain Hills)
Where: SunFlower Mine Loop
Rating: 3.5-
Length: Most of the day
CB Channel: 4

We had such a good trip the first time I just thought it would be fun to take a group up. Great adventure trip where you can try out your rock gaurds as well as your camera skills. If the creek is flowing your in for a wet ride, as well as some mine discovery. I believe we checked out 6 mines that were at least 100 yds long each, so bring a spot light because a flash light just doesn't cut it. Also bring some sandwiches because the trip can take a while if your into the mine thing.

The Sunflower Mine Loop is a fun trail that offers a little something for everyone. It takes 3 – 4 hours to complete allowing for time to poke around and explore. The loop starts as an easy 2.5 trail that winds along a hillside and slowly descends into the canyon. After crossing a bridge you continue up the canyon until you arrive at the Sunflower Mine site. The mine’s processing building is still standing and is in decent shape. Stock vehicles can make this section of the loop easily, however the next section requires higher ground clearance and aggressive tires.



After leaving the mine the trails continues up a shady canyon becoming more tight and challenging as it runs across and up a rocky creek bed. The bed is usually dry but can be very slippery when water is running. After awhile you make a hard right turn up a steep rock wall obstacle and continue to climb a loose rocky road out of the canyon and into the pines and junipers. At the top the trail continues with some washed out sections, passes a couple of more mine shafts, and gradually becomes easier as you return to the loops starting point.



Remember to pack water, a lunch, and bring your camera.



Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!

Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List

Thank You,

- The AzVJC Website


81222 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 7:32pm
Subject: [TR] Sunflower Mine Loop - Saturday, April 5, 2003 - Reminder


Hello All,

Brad Rogers is leading a Sunflower Mine Loop trail run on Saturday, April 5, 2003.

When: 8:00am Meet at last gas station on Hwy. 87 heading towards Payson; across from Casino (just past Fountain Hills)
Where: SunFlower Mine Loop
Rating: 3.5-
Length: Most of the day
CB Channel: 4

We had such a good trip the first time I just thought it would be fun to take a group up. Great adventure trip where you can try out your rock gaurds as well as your camera skills. If the creek is flowing your in for a wet ride, as well as some mine discovery. I believe we checked out 6 mines that were at least 100 yds long each, so bring a spot light because a flash light just doesn't cut it. Also bring some sandwiches because the trip can take a while if your into the mine thing.

The Sunflower Mine Loop is a fun trail that offers a little something for everyone. It takes 3 – 4 hours to complete allowing for time to poke around and explore. The loop starts as an easy 2.5 trail that winds along a hillside and slowly descends into the canyon. After crossing a bridge you continue up the canyon until you arrive at the Sunflower Mine site. The mine’s processing building is still standing and is in decent shape. Stock vehicles can make this section of the loop easily, however the next section requires higher ground clearance and aggressive tires.



After leaving the mine the trails continues up a shady canyon becoming more tight and challenging as it runs across and up a rocky creek bed. The bed is usually dry but can be very slippery when water is running. After awhile you make a hard right turn up a steep rock wall obstacle and continue to climb a loose rocky road out of the canyon and into the pines and junipers. At the top the trail continues with some washed out sections, passes a couple of more mine shafts, and gradually becomes easier as you return to the loops starting point.



Remember to pack water, a lunch, and bring your camera.



Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!

Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List

Thank You,

- The AzVJC Website


81223 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 7:55pm
Subject: Re: what will these fit?


should be 5 on 5.5" same on all CJ's thru 86 assuming there were no axle
swaps done to the vehicle.

Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
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From: "Gary Kartchner" <gary@k...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:57 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] what will these fit?


> I've got some black rockcrawler steel rims off of a 1963 willies.
> My question is this, what size are they and what else will they fit?
>
> I want to sell them but don't know much about what the bolt pattern
> is.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Gary K
>
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81224 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 8:19pm
Subject: RE: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


I just got into San Diego and got situated so I have not read all of the emails yet so if this is old news I am sorry.

GREAT post TJ Gill. Let's get a care package together. I love that idea.

We all support our troops but we may do it differently. I have not met anyone who is not for our troops.

We are all saying that we support our troops but all in different ways.
Bonnie and Ross please do not leave the group.

I pray for the troops and their families.

Joe Kearney
-----Original Message-----
From: AZICE626@aol.com [mailto:AZICE626@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:52 AM
To: rskinner@s2bsi.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


so far, Bonnie is the only person in the group who has mentioned relatives serving overseas, other than the members who have indicated being called up....has anyone thought of showing their support my putting together care packages for the troops (especially members' family)????.....I replied to Bonnie's email wishing that she would reconsider leaving the group (you too, Ross) and that, if she was comfortable giving me the addresses of her brothers so that my family could send some care packages....I think it would be a great way to show support for the guys and gals in uniform, especially ones we have ties to (i.e., club members).....any thoughts????.... sorry for continuing a dreaded OT thread, but to me, this is no more OT than land use, fire runs, cookouts, etc.....tj gill
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81225 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 8:15pm
Subject: RE: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


This is short and simple to ALL the AZVJC................... please don't let our "Support" for our troops be the "break" between a camraderie that must join together in support!!!! We may all have our own way to express or demonstrate but I don't believe there is one out there that would not support............. Hang in there guys, times are most likely going to get worse before they get better..........

Land issues are thrown in here as "icing". We MUST stay UNITED! Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@jrkearney.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:20 PM
To: AZICE626@aol.com; rskinner@s2bsi.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


I just got into San Diego and got situated so I have not read all of the emails yet so if this is old news I am sorry.

GREAT post TJ Gill. Let's get a care package together. I love that idea.

We all support our troops but we may do it differently. I have not met anyone who is not for our troops.

We are all saying that we support our troops but all in different ways.
Bonnie and Ross please do not leave the group.

I pray for the troops and their families.

Joe Kearney
-----Original Message-----
From: AZICE626@aol.com [mailto:AZICE626@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:52 AM
To: rskinner@s2bsi.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


so far, Bonnie is the only person in the group who has mentioned relatives serving overseas, other than the members who have indicated being called up....has anyone thought of showing their support my putting together care packages for the troops (especially members' family)????.....I replied to Bonnie's email wishing that she would reconsider leaving the group (you too, Ross) and that, if she was comfortable giving me the addresses of her brothers so that my family could send some care packages....I think it would be a great way to show support for the guys and gals in uniform, especially ones we have ties to (i.e., club members).....any thoughts????.... sorry for continuing a dreaded OT thread, but to me, this is no more OT than land use, fire runs, cookouts, etc.....tj gill
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81226 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:01pm
Subject: Re: Scott Kruize has now assumed leadership for the Sedona Broken Arrow Run next weekend.


Sorry to hear that you wont be making it. It sounds like you had a pretty
good system in place to keep all us knuckleheads organized.
I am sure Scott can just pick up where you left off (fingers crossed...just
kidding Scott. You are a brave man..lol)


Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
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>From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
>Reply-To: <arizonajeep@c...>
>To: "Azvjc \(E-mail\)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] Scott Kruize has now assumed leadership for the Sedona
>Broken Arrow Run next weekend.
>Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:59:42 -0700
>
>Hi Gang,
>
>I was notified by my company on Friday, that I must make an emergency trip
>to Japan for three weeks starting tomorrow. I have been in contact with
>Scott Kruize since Friday and Scott has graciously agreed to assume
>leadership of the run. I apologize to everyone in advance for this
>change... I am incredibly disappointed that I will not be here for the run.
>
>I'd like to send a big thanks out to Scott Kruize for taking on this
>task...
>it will be no small feat to pull this run off successfully... but I am
>absolutely confident that if anyone can do it... Scott can.
>
>Again... please accept my apologies for this last minute change.
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>
>Joe West
>
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81227 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 4:09pm
Subject: OT: If you don't want to read it, DELETE IT!





From: aryel@a...
To: t.a.tuttle@w... (Tom Tuttle), ttuttle@e... (Tom Tuttle), David.Tuttle@e... (David Tuttle), w7jhv@m... (De Los Sanderson), kmill35@n... (Karen Miller), pooh123802@y... (Sarah Kirk), Gskirk@a... (Gary Kirk), rosezrose2002@a... (Rebecca Kinnan), missing_tn@m... (Stacy Kimsey), Evejim3@a... (Monica Jimenez), msa12171@a... (Mike Anderson)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 21:38:58 +0000
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From: "cindy barker" <dancyn89@hotmail.com>
To: bcspots@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:53:23 -0700





TRYING TO HELP
By Dennis Miller

All the rhetoric on whether or not we should go
to war against Iraq has
got my insane little brain spinning like a
roulette wheel. I enjoy
reading opinions from both sides, but I have
detected a hint of
confusion from some of you.

As I was reading the paper recently, I was
reminded of the best advice
someone ever gave me. He told me about the KISS
method ("Keep it
Simple, Stupid"). So, with this as a theme, I'd
like to apply this
theory for those who don't quite get it. My hope
is that we can simplify
things a bit and recognize a few important facts.

Here are 10 things to consider when voicing an
opinion on this important
issue:

1) President Bush and Saddam Hussein.....Hussein
is the bad guy.

2) If you have faith in the United Nations to do
the right thing, keep
this in mind. They have Libya heading the
Committee on Human Rights
and
Iraq heading the Global Disarmament
Committee. Do your own math here.


3) If you use Google Search and type in "French
Military Victories,"
your reply will be "Did you mean French
Military Defeats?"

4) If your only anti-war slogan is "No war for
oil," sue your school
district for allowing
you to slip through the cracks and robbing
you of
the education you deserve.

5) Saddam and Bin Laden will not seek United
Nations approval before
they try to kill us.

6) Despite what some seem to believe, Martin
Sheen is NOT the President.
He
plays one on T.V.

7) Even if you are anti-war, you are still
an "Infidel" and Bin Laden
wants you dead,
too.

8) If you believe in a "vast right-wing
conspiracy," but not in the danger
that Hussein
poses, quit hanging out with the Dell
computer dude.

9) We are not trying to liberate them.

10) Whether you are for military action, or
against it, our young men and
women
overseas are fighting for us to defend our
right to speak out. We all
need to
support them without reservation.


I hope this helps.




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81228 From: katnjeff4 <katnjeff4@i...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:20pm
Subject: Care packages for the troops, please read!


Ok all I have found ways to send care packages to some of the troops,
if you are all still willing....I can post a list of some of the
stuff we need and I will even set up drop off sites. I know this is a
OT post, Sorry.... Just let me know if you all want to do this or
not. Thanks Kat Katnjeff4@h... 480-396-1770


81229 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:25pm
Subject: Re: My Willys Diary - entry 1


Amanda,
That so much for sharing the details of your restoration. Keep the
updates coming! I love old Jeeps.

I'm partial to the tan (sorry) w/ red wheels.

Chris

On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 07:26 PM, Amanda Halverson wrote:

> Sunday, March 23, 2003
>
> Today was a great day to work on a Jeep and an even better day
> to start the long process of restoring a 1951 Willys CJ-3A. As some of
> you may know my father, John Halverson, and I, Amanda, have acquired a
> Willys Jeep for the sole purpose of restoring it and giving it to me
> when I turn 16. We have been doing little things to it like changing
> the oil and fixing the brakes but today we finally started in on the
> big tough stuff!
>
>
> First we took off the hood, after carefully taking pictures and
> writing on index cards so as to not forget how to put it back
> together. We then put paint stripper on it. We got a little anxious
> while waiting the grueling 30 minutes for the paint remover to work so
> we decided to take off the left fender, more taking pictures and
> writing. While the LEFT fender sat with the paint stripper on it we
> took off the RIGHT fender.
>
>
> We worked and worked with putty knives scraping and scraping, both
> wondering sile! ntly about the burning sensation in our hands. I could
> no longer stand the pain and voiced my discomfort. We both realized
> that it probably wasn't the best idea to let something that could
> virtually melt paint on our bare skin. Two pairs of gloves each and
> about 4 coats of paint stripper later we discovered that there had
> been about 5 separate coats of paint on the hood and one or two
> various blotches of lime green.
>
>
> We have it mostly stripped down, we had to stop because a recent
> illness had left us (me) slightly weaker than normal. As we came down
> to the last coat of paint I noticed that the Willys lettering was
> orange and the rest of the hood tan. Is this normal to have the
> lettering a different color?, and if so does the color of the letters
> usually coordinate with the color of, say, the wheels?
>
>
> By the way I am having a little trouble deciding what color I should
> paint my Jeep. My dad is going for Harvest tan with Luzon red wheels,
> while I want just the opposite. I think that it! should be red so as
> to draw attention to the awesomeness of my Willys. Please email me
> with your opinions and comments lil_willys_jpr@yahoo.com
>
>
> Thanks for listening to my little story of today's events, I hope it
> wasn't too boring! Please respond with any information you have, it is
> GREATLY appreciated.
>
>
> Amanda Halverson
>
> Amanda Halverson
>
> 1951 Willys CJ-3A
>
>
>
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>
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81230 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:20pm
Subject: Re: My Willys Diary - entry 1


Was it encased in a protective cocoon of cosmoline when
you first got it? =)~

At 10:25 PM 3/23/03 -0700, Chris Krieg wrote:
>Amanda,
>That so much for sharing the details of your restoration. Keep the updates
>coming! I love old Jeeps.
>
>I'm partial to the tan (sorry) w/ red wheels.
>
>Chris
>
>On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 07:26 PM, Amanda Halverson wrote:
>
>>Sunday, March 23, 2003
>>
>> Today was a great day to work on a Jeep and an even better day to
>>start the long process of restoring a 1951 Willys CJ-3A. As some of you
>>may know my father, John Halverson, and I, Amanda, have acquired a Willys
>>Jeep for the sole purpose of restoring it and giving it to me when I turn
>>16. We have been doing little things to it like changing the oil and
>>fixing the brakes but today we finally started in on the big tough stuff!
>>
>>
>>First we took off the hood, after carefully taking pictures and writing
>>on index cards so as to not forget how to put it back together. We then
>>put paint stripper on it. We got a little anxious while waiting the
>>grueling 30 minutes for the paint remover to work so we decided to take
>>off the left fender, more taking pictures and writing. While the LEFT
>>fender sat with the paint stripper on it we took off the RIGHT fender.
>>
>>
>>We worked and worked with putty knives scraping and scraping, both
>>wondering sile! ntly about the burning sensation in our hands. I could no
>>longer stand the pain and voiced my discomfort. We both realized that it
>>probably wasn't the best idea to let something that could virtually melt
>>paint on our bare skin. Two pairs of gloves each and about 4 coats of
>>paint stripper later we discovered that there had been about 5 separate
>>coats of paint on the hood and one or two various blotches of lime green.
>>
>>
>>We have it mostly stripped down, we had to stop because a recent illness
>>had left us (me) slightly weaker than normal. As we came down to the last
>>coat of paint I noticed that the Willys lettering was orange and the rest
>>of the hood tan. Is this normal to have the lettering a different color?,
>>and if so does the color of the letters usually coordinate with the color
>>of, say, the wheels?
>>
>>
>>By the way I am having a little trouble deciding what color I should
>>paint my Jeep. My dad is going for Harvest tan with Luzon red wheels,
>>while I want just the opposite. I think that it! should be red so as to
>>draw attention to the awesomeness of my Willys. Please email me with your
>>opinions and comments lil_willys_jpr@y...
>>
>>
>>Thanks for listening to my little story of today's events, I hope it
>>wasn't too boring! Please respond with any information you have, it is
>>GREATLY appreciated.
>>
>>
>>Amanda Halverson
>>
>>Amanda Halverson
>>
>>1951 Willys CJ-3A
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>Do you Yahoo!?
>>Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>

--
even the safest course is fraught with peril


81231 From: Mike <msa12171@a...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:49pm
Subject: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


What is wrong with you? You need to get out more. You think that
that is the only reason to rally in support? What have you seen on
the local news and CNN when they are not covering the war? Anti-war
rallys. What's wrong with trying to get some pro-war attention? You
don't think that our guys over there don't get CNN? The only time
they see anything on their right now from the home front is about how
many protesters there are. If we could get enough people to do some
GOOD to support what we are trying to do over there, maybe they will
pick that up and let them see that there are more people here that
support what they are doing (a recent poll found that 2/3 of the US
population SUPPORTS the war) that oppose it. They might keep their
spirits up and come home safely. There are MANY ways to show
support, ALL of which are worth doing!
Do you think that Saddam cares how we treat thier POWs? He WANTS
them dead! How screwed up is that?! How scared do you think they
are about being "tried as war criminals". What does that mean? We
will put them in a camp and feed and take care of them? Whoopie!
They will be treated better than they are now. Wea re fighting a war
that is LONG overdue. He is a tyrannical, selfish, ruthless dictator
that has NO concern for human life (even his own supporters!) other
than his own!
If you like your Jeep and the freedom to go out on a trail,
support what they are doing. If you are against what they are trying
to do, move to France. Flame away! ! !

If you have other "anti-war" opinions that you'd like to share
with reasons and rational thoughts, please, inform me. I'd love to
hear why you don't think this is a worthy cause. I haven't heard
anyone that has said their views why they don't agree. Keep it off
post if you don't want to share with the group. I really want to
know your reasons. If no one can give me any, then why are we even
debating this?

Mike Anderson


--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Great post Stu. I think the pro troop rally's just make those who
attend
> them feel all warm and tingly inside.


81232 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:31pm
Subject: speaking of the Saturday rally... pics?


Are the "support our troops" rally pics up
on any website yet?

Thanks,
Tony


--
even the safest course is fraught with peril


81233 From: Mike H. <hiett710@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:06pm
Subject: Re: My Willys Diary - entry 1


YELLOW! YELLOW!

Mike H.




--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Amanda Halverson <lil_willys_jpr@y...>
wrote:
> Sunday, March 23, 2003
>
> Today was a great day to work on a Jeep and an even better
day to start the long process of restoring a 1951 Willys CJ-3A. As
some of you may know my father, John Halverson, and I, Amanda, have
acquired a Willys Jeep for the sole purpose of restoring it and
giving it to me when I turn 16. We have been doing little things to
it like changing the oil and fixing the brakes but today we finally
started in on the big tough stuff!
>
>
> First we took off the hood, after carefully taking pictures and
writing on index cards so as to not forget how to put it back
together. We then put paint stripper on it. We got a little anxious
while waiting the grueling 30 minutes for the paint remover to work
so we decided to take off the left fender, more taking pictures and
writing. While the LEFT fender sat with the paint stripper on it we
took off the RIGHT fender.
>
>
> We worked and worked with putty knives scraping and scraping, both
wondering silently about the burning sensation in our hands. I could
no longer stand the pain and voiced my discomfort. We both realized
that it probably wasn't the best idea to let something that could
virtually melt paint on our bare skin. Two pairs of gloves each and
about 4 coats of paint stripper later we discovered that there had
been about 5 separate coats of paint on the hood and one or two
various blotches of lime green.
>
>
> We have it mostly stripped down, we had to stop because a recent
illness had left us (me) slightly weaker than normal. As we came down
to the last coat of paint I noticed that the Willys lettering was
orange and the rest of the hood tan. Is this normal to have the
lettering a different color?, and if so does the color of the letters
usually coordinate with the color of, say, the wheels?
>
>
> By the way I am having a little trouble deciding what color I
should paint my Jeep. My dad is going for Harvest tan with Luzon red
wheels, while I want just the opposite. I think that it should be red
so as to draw attention to the awesomeness of my Willys. Please email
me with your opinions and comments lil_willys_jpr@y...
>
>
> Thanks for listening to my little story of today's events, I hope
it wasn't too boring! Please respond with any information you have,
it is GREATLY appreciated.
>
>
> Amanda Halverson
>
>
> Amanda Halverson
>
> 1951 Willys CJ-3A
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your
desktop!


81234 From: Bill <bill@j...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:12pm
Subject: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Well this is one of those issues that members seem to be deeply
divided on. I guess the only thing we can count on agreeing about
unanimously is our love for Jeeps. Although I don't agree with
everyone's viewpoint on this subject, I still like everyone I've ever
met on the group and apart from this subject, I know we almost all
get along just fine. PLEASE DON'T QUIT THE GROUP BECAUSE YOU DON'T
AGREE WITH SOMEONE! Ride it out and delete these posts if you don't
want to read them.

Regarding this issue, I'm moved by this note from Bonnie and it does
appear as though news about even small acts of support somehow make
it to the troops and have a positive impact. I wonder how many fellow
soldiers Bonnie's brother told. If one soldier appreciated it then it
was worth it, in my opinion.

The support "run" on Saturday got a HIGH response from people in other
vehicles and pedestrians and 98% of the responses I saw were positive
(we encountered only a few protesters) . Some people pulled up next
to us, rolled down their car windows and yelled "God bless our
troops!" or "USA, USA, USA" or "Support Our Troops!". Some asked
where the protesters were so they could go down and offer an opposing
view. Most simply beeped and gave us a thumbs up in agreement. I
wonder how many of those people sent a note about the encounter to a
family member or friend who is serving in our military. I was proud
to be an American and proud to hang out with our small group of
Jeepers supporting the troops and would do it again in a heartbeat.

I'd like to suggest we do this run again next week, perhaps on
Saturday. The way things are going with the war, it looks like there
will still be fighting for some time to come (unfortunately). It
would be great if we could get even more from the group involved and
I'm hoping since we have almost a week to organize it that we'll get
more involvement. Just like land use meetings (although the support
run is not an official club function), if you can make it, great and
if not, fine. REMEMBER: THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY PRO-WAR, RATHER PRO-
TROOPS.

BTW, I also go to land use meetings and not just ones that are
convenient to me. I think both issues need support.

Lastly, there is one more thing I think we all agree on and that is a
wish for a quick end to the conflict and the safe return of our
military men and women. To all who serve or have served, thank you.
To all who have family or know someone in this war, my thoughts and
prayers are with them and you.

Bill Hooven


--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Jeep Girl" <jeepgirl73@c...> wrote:
> Stu, You maybe right about me not really knowing you all. Saturday
was my
> first run with the Club. I spoke to one of my brothers Friday
before the
> run on Saturday and he almost cried. One the fact that his little
sister
> was going on a jeep run and two the fact that a jeep club was
supporting
> their troops. My brothers are the biggest jeep buffs I have ever
known.
> They are the reason that I bought a jeep. My brothers say that it
sucks to
> see the protests over here that are against them. They never see
the
> protesters that are for them. They said if they wanted to stay
home and
> knit they would have never joined the military. I lost a brother
in 91 and
> to this day I am so proud of him for giving his life for what HE
believed
> in.
>
> Just to let you know, I would go to the land use meeting or
whatever it
> takes to help out but it isn't that easy I work plus I have two
kids. But I
> still try to do my part I have sent letters that ya'll have asked.
I even
> had neighbors do it also (not that they care).
>
> I joined this club because my brothers said if I am gonna own a
jeep I need
> to know how to drive it. What better way to do this than join a
club with
> guys who know what they are doing. I think the run to support our
troops
> regardless of our beliefs on the war were right on. So some of you
may
> think this is off the topic but for a girl growing up with military
brothers
> I can't think of anything not being related to supporting our
troops.
>
> I won' quit the group because there are too many of you who emailed
me off
> the group email to tell me that I should "stick around".
> I am off my soap box.
>
> Bonnie
> "Hail to the Redskins"
>


81235 From: Bill <bill@j...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:13pm
Subject: Re: speaking of the Saturday rally... pics?


I took almost 3 rolls which I turned in for developing and scanning
today. Yeah, I'm still on old technology, photographically speaking.
I should have them up Tuesday night and I'll post a link to where