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81187 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:59am
Subject: Scott Kruize has now assumed leadership for the Sedona Broken Arrow Run next weekend.


Hi Gang,

I was notified by my company on Friday, that I must make an emergency trip
to Japan for three weeks starting tomorrow. I have been in contact with
Scott Kruize since Friday and Scott has graciously agreed to assume
leadership of the run. I apologize to everyone in advance for this
change... I am incredibly disappointed that I will not be here for the run.

I'd like to send a big thanks out to Scott Kruize for taking on this task...
it will be no small feat to pull this run off successfully... but I am
absolutely confident that if anyone can do it... Scott can.

Again... please accept my apologies for this last minute change.

Kind Regards,


Joe West



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81188 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:06am
Subject: RE: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Bonnie,
I have to admit, this list is not what it used to be. I guess that's what
happens unfortunately.
Pretty chicken *^#! in my opinion and silly to even take such positions
nowadays. Go figure .
Too many are more worried about their pay check, toys and wants, then
preserving our country and future. Jeeping will be a moot issue if we don't
stand together at times like this. Mostly a bunch of spoiled yuppies that
have never really done anything but make themselves comfortable, never had
hard times, never sacrificed for others...sorry folks but I think it is true
and describes allot of people under 40 today.
So, now that I have made this statement I will not say another word on this
list and those that know me and want to do something Jeep related or not,
just email me.

Ross


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeep Girl [mailto:jeepgirl73@c...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:55 AM
To: Scott Kruize; 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


WOW! I think I joined the wrong Jeep Club! For those of you I met it was
great knowing you.

Sister to 8 Marine Brothers fighting in Iraq,
Bonnie
"Hail to the Redskins"




-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:48 PM
To: 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Hi Sharky,

I think the problem with the rally post is that it is not a Jeep related
issue. The bottom line (in my opinion) is that land use issues are ontopic
and troop support rallys are offtopic. Just because I don't support the
rally being a club run doesn't mean I don't support the troops or the idea
of a rally. So if you feel that the rally idea hasn't gotten deserved
attention its probably because other people come here to read Jeep stuff and
ignore the rest that isn't Jeep related.

Another problem is that somebody needs to pickup the ball and lead this
rally. Whoever takes on this responsibility will need to coordinate with law
enforcement in advance as well as put out some notices to the local media.
Maybe it won't be an AZVJC function but there needs to be a leader
nonetheless and a contact list generated of interested people. Once this
person has setup the event then by all means I hope they post an invitation
on the list so that individual AZVJC members that are interested can attend.
Those that don't like it can stay home (or organize a counter demonstration
across the street)

Why don't I support this as an AZVJC function? First of all the only
politics this group really deals with are land issues and the majority of us
feel the same about that topic. When we start talking about war and the
politics surrounding it then you start to divide the group. I know there are
liberal and conservative members here and of course there probably are
Jeepers participating in both types of rallys. Who are we to tell the rest
of the group which way to think?

That being said, I'm proudly flyin the Stars and Stripes in front of my
house in support of the troops and find myself glued to Fox News these days.
I've even got a TV tuner in my PC and I'm listening as I type this. <Grin>


That's my take on it all.

Scott K


-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:56 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Its funny you should mention that considering the support our
troops rally got less attention from the club than the land use
issues. Somethings are just more important than others at certain
times.
To each their own but at this time my money is on a much bigger
picture.

Sharky




> > Stu,
> > It is a shame that these club members show so much effort for
> supporting
> > our troops (rightfully so) and only a fraction get as
enthusiastic
> about
> > land use meetings.
> > I have my reasons for staying at home and not being able to
> participate
> > in any activities with the club.
> > A club run showing support for our troops in Prescott would have
> been
> > the way to go.
> >
> > Joey K
> > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > 93YJ
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:06 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> > Wow.....that idea went over like a lead brick.
> >
> > <shrug>
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:04 PM
> > To: Bob Jacques; jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> > Even a better idea.....hit the BLM land use meeting tomorrow AM in
> > Prescott and then do Support Our Troops afterwards! Might as well
> > kill
two
> birds
> > with the same stone!
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@m...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:04 PM
> > To: 'jeff.trujillo@m...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > I don't know if it can be organized that quick ! but hopefully it
> will
> > all
> > be over by next weekend!! (except for the mop up )... How about
> posting
> > it
> > as a run right now to see who signs up? I can see it now, 100+
> jeeps
> > cruisin with flags a flyin' ! Pretty impressive show of
support!!!
> > Bob
> > J
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeff.trujillo@m...
> > [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:42 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > I think there are only three of us that are willing to do this! I
> am up
> > for
> > saturday but we need more people!!!
> >
> > Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > Field Service Representative
> > MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > jeff.trujillo@m...
> > Voice:(480)346-6249
> > Fax:(480)346-6813
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:40 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > Do we want to do this on the weekend? Not sure if we target the
> > Capitol we would get much response over the weekend. Then again
if
> > we do it during the week in the evening it wouldn't be any better
> > and I am not sure that many can take time off work. So how about
> > this weekend sometime? Saturday evening? Maybe cruise down Mill?
> >
> > Keep throwing out ideas everyone.
> >
> > Chris
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> -
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled"
<intertwingled@q...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > anti-dorks = peacemongering surrender monkeys?
> > >
> > > Count me in. I hate those guys.
> > >
> > > At 08:22 PM 3/21/03 -0000, you wrote:
> > > >Only if I can bring my baseball bat.
> > > >
> > > >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, jeff.trujillo@m... wrote:
> > > >> So are we going to try and put something together? I'm in for
> > doing
> > > >a demo
> > > >> at the capital across the street from the anti-dorks :o)
> > > >>
> > > >> Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > >> Field Service Representative
> > > >> MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > >> jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > >> Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > >> Fax:(480)346-6813
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Bill [mailto:bill@j...]
> > > >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:47 AM
> > > >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm in also
> > > >>
> > > >> --------------
> > > >> Bill - Jeeps Only
> > > >> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> > > >> A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps only
> > > >> -------------------------------------------------------------
-
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...>
wrote:
> > > >> > Anyone up for putting on a public display to show our
> > support?
> > > >All
> > > >> > I keep seeing is people protesting and thinking this has to
> > to
> > > >with
> > > >> > oil or how it is going to affect the dollars spent on their
> > > >> > education.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Just a thought.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Chris
> > > >> > -----------------------------------------------------------
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81189 From: Patrick <dreamwev@m...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:14am
Subject: Re: hummer beadlock question


Shaun,

I have hummer rims and avalanche steering arms on my jeep. True, hummer wheels do have 7" backspacing. I am using 2" billet wheel spacers. I have about an inch and a half between the steering arm and tire. I am running 38x12.50 swampers. The rims will not clear the stock steering rod mount (tie rod). By my figuring, I could have used 1 1/4" spacers and been ok. But with your 42's It would be a problem. I did notice however someone on Ebay had some steering arms designed for hummer wheels. The arms angled in to the center of the axle for clearance, but they also only had one mount hole for tie rod placement. I really do like the avalanche arms for their flexibility in mounting positions. For instance, I am running my arms upside down but with a spacer to lower the tie rod a little for frame clearance. I could not have done that with any other arms. I was also able to adjust the mounting of the draglink to give me full movement of the wheels with the steering wheel. I can get some pics if you would like or you can stop by sometime if you are in north Phx.

Patrick


81190 From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:34am
Subject: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Right on! The United States of America is at WAR, for crying out loud!
All venues are fair game for showing your support to our military.
It's not enough hang back and wait until they come home to tell them
we supported them. We should be making it clear here and now to those
here and over there that we support the war.

Larry

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Bonnie,
> I have to admit, this list is not what it used to be. I guess that's
what
> happens unfortunately.
> Pretty chicken *^#! in my opinion and silly to even take such
positions
> nowadays. Go figure .
> Too many are more worried about their pay check, toys and wants,
then
> preserving our country and future. Jeeping will be a moot issue if
we don't
> stand together at times like this. Mostly a bunch of spoiled yuppies
that
> have never really done anything but make themselves comfortable,
never had
> hard times, never sacrificed for others...sorry folks but I think it
is true
> and describes allot of people under 40 today.
> So, now that I have made this statement I will not say another word
on this
> list and those that know me and want to do something Jeep related or
not,
> just email me.
>
> Ross
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeep Girl [mailto:jeepgirl73@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:55 AM
> To: Scott Kruize; 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
>
>
> WOW! I think I joined the wrong Jeep Club! For those of you I met
it was
> great knowing you.
>
> Sister to 8 Marine Brothers fighting in Iraq,
> Bonnie
> "Hail to the Redskins"
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:48 PM
> To: 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
>
>
> Hi Sharky,
>
> I think the problem with the rally post is that it is not a Jeep
related
> issue. The bottom line (in my opinion) is that land use issues are
ontopic
> and troop support rallys are offtopic. Just because I don't support
the
> rally being a club run doesn't mean I don't support the troops or
the idea
> of a rally. So if you feel that the rally idea hasn't gotten
deserved
> attention its probably because other people come here to read Jeep
stuff and
> ignore the rest that isn't Jeep related.
>
> Another problem is that somebody needs to pickup the ball and lead
this
> rally. Whoever takes on this responsibility will need to coordinate
with law
> enforcement in advance as well as put out some notices to the local
media.
> Maybe it won't be an AZVJC function but there needs to be a leader
> nonetheless and a contact list generated of interested people. Once
this
> person has setup the event then by all means I hope they post an
invitation
> on the list so that individual AZVJC members that are interested can
attend.
> Those that don't like it can stay home (or organize a counter
demonstration
> across the street)
>
> Why don't I support this as an AZVJC function? First of all the only
> politics this group really deals with are land issues and the
majority of us
> feel the same about that topic. When we start talking about war and
the
> politics surrounding it then you start to divide the group. I know
there are
> liberal and conservative members here and of course there probably
are
> Jeepers participating in both types of rallys. Who are we to tell
the rest
> of the group which way to think?
>
> That being said, I'm proudly flyin the Stars and Stripes in front of
my
> house in support of the troops and find myself glued to Fox News
these days.
> I've even got a TV tuner in my PC and I'm listening as I type this.
<Grin>
>
>
> That's my take on it all.
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:56 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
>
>
> Its funny you should mention that considering the support our
> troops rally got less attention from the club than the land use
> issues. Somethings are just more important than others at certain
> times.
> To each their own but at this time my money is on a much bigger
> picture.
>
> Sharky
>
>
>
>
> > > Stu,
> > > It is a shame that these club members show so much effort for
> > supporting
> > > our troops (rightfully so) and only a fraction get as
> enthusiastic
> > about
> > > land use meetings.
> > > I have my reasons for staying at home and not being able to
> > participate
> > > in any activities with the club.
> > > A club run showing support for our troops in Prescott would have
> > been
> > > the way to go.
> > >
> > > Joey K
> > > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > > 93YJ
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:06 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > > Wow.....that idea went over like a lead brick.
> > >
> > > <shrug>
> > >
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:04 PM
> > > To: Bob Jacques; jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > > Even a better idea.....hit the BLM land use meeting tomorrow AM
in
> > > Prescott and then do Support Our Troops afterwards! Might as
well
> > > kill
> two
> > birds
> > > with the same stone!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@m...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:04 PM
> > > To: 'jeff.trujillo@m...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know if it can be organized that quick ! but hopefully
it
> > will
> > > all
> > > be over by next weekend!! (except for the mop up )... How about
> > posting
> > > it
> > > as a run right now to see who signs up? I can see it now, 100+
> > jeeps
> > > cruisin with flags a flyin' ! Pretty impressive show of
> support!!!
> > > Bob
> > > J
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:42 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > >
> > > I think there are only three of us that are willing to do this!
I
> > am up
> > > for
> > > saturday but we need more people!!!
> > >
> > > Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > Field Service Representative
> > > MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > Fax:(480)346-6813
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:40 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > >
> > >
> > > Do we want to do this on the weekend? Not sure if we target the
> > > Capitol we would get much response over the weekend. Then again
> if
> > > we do it during the week in the evening it wouldn't be any
better
> > > and I am not sure that many can take time off work. So how
about
> > > this weekend sometime? Saturday evening? Maybe cruise down
Mill?
> > >
> > > Keep throwing out ideas everyone.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled"
> <intertwingled@q...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > anti-dorks = peacemongering surrender monkeys?
> > > >
> > > > Count me in. I hate those guys.
> > > >
> > > > At 08:22 PM 3/21/03 -0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Only if I can bring my baseball bat.
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, jeff.trujillo@m... wrote:
> > > > >> So are we going to try and put something together? I'm in
for
> > > doing
> > > > >a demo
> > > > >> at the capital across the street from the anti-dorks :o)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > > >> Field Service Representative
> > > > >> MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > > >> jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > > >> Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > > >> Fax:(480)346-6813
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Bill [mailto:bill@j...]
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:47 AM
> > > > >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm in also
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --------------
> > > > >> Bill - Jeeps Only
> > > > >> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> > > > >> A Yahoo-style directory/search engine of links for Jeeps
only
> > > > >>
-------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...>
> wrote:
> > > > >> > Anyone up for putting on a public display to show our
> > > support?
> > > > >All
> > > > >> > I keep seeing is people protesting and thinking this has
to
> > > to
> > > > >with
> > > > >> > oil or how it is going to affect the dollars spent on
their
> > > > >> > education.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Just a thought.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Chris
> > > > >> >
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> > > use
> > > > >of, or
> > > > >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by
> > > persons
> > > > >or
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81191 From: <AZICE626@a...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 5:52am
Subject: Re: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


so far, Bonnie is the only person in the group who has mentioned relatives serving overseas, other than the members who have indicated being called up....has anyone thought of showing their support my putting together care packages for the troops (especially members' family)????.....I replied to Bonnie's email wishing that she would reconsider leaving the group (you too, Ross) and that, if she was comfortable giving me the addresses of her brothers so that my family could send some care packages....I think it would be a great way to show support for the guys and gals in uniform, especially ones we have ties to (i.e., club members).....any thoughts????.... sorry for continuing a dreaded OT thread, but to me, this is no more OT than land use, fire runs, cookouts, etc.....tj gill

81192 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:53am
Subject: RE: Re: BLM Meeting in Prescott


Bruce....I did not take your comments concerning the Jeep cam in any
kind of negative way. It is certainly possible that it might very well
happen and one will have to relive someone else's trek down the trail
via a simulator. For the parking lot cowboys, this might be the
e-ticket ride of their life! LOL

As for actually using it on the trail, you are certainly correct. What
better way to evaluate your recently completed suspension project. I
have a friend of mine on the east coast who has modified a FRS radio and
uses it to "listen" to the underside of his vehicle during "find the
clunk" troubleshooting sessions. It works amazingly well and virtually
eliminates the guessing involved when attempting to determine the source
of the sound from the driver's seat doing 20 MPH on a dirt road. Ain't
technology great!

Stu

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Meyer [mailto:dmeyer24@c...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:33 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: BLM Meeting in Prescott

Jim, this sounds like a reasonable, common sense use of the ACEC
designation. What I'm not convinced of, due to ignorance and
paranoia, is that common sense will always be used. I agree with
Stu, we need to thoroughly understand the definitions and then bound
the use of both ACEC and VRM.

Stu, as to wide-bandwidth video, I too think it is a viable and
useful venture not only for looking forward for the driver but also
for looking under and around. For example, consider the ability to
watch the drive shaft flex after a recently completed SOA
modification; is the new drive shaft angle actually okay like one
thought? In my summary of Saturday's breakout session I was simply
using your idea to push a point to an extreme, not to poke-fun at
the idea.

Bruce

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> Randy and I were both involved in the Monument group
yesterday. This is the
> largest area of ACEC. We found out that these are not all bad they
can be
> written to include motorized use. Each one can be written
differently as one
> gentleman said "it is in the details". Most of these ACEC in this
area are
> to protect the cultural sites so some roads would be closed or
gated to keep
> traffic from destroying them and reduce the pottery thieves. But
not all
> traffic in the area will need to stopped. Thanks to everyone that
has been
> involved in the first phase of the workshops. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:27 AM
> To: 'wereazmeyer'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: BLM Meeting in Prescott
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Bruce,
>
> An outstanding summary of your perspective on yesterday's meeting.
> Nicely done!
>
> Having had a chance to ponder the VRM concept a bit, I believe it
needs
> to be made VERY clear at the next meeting that VRM can be a
> consideration for changes made in the future (i.e., a suggestion
is made
> to do XYZ on this piece of ABC land.....well....some folks think
that
> the pristine beauty may be impacted....OK....time for discussion,
> looking at alternatives, compromising, etc). HOWEVER, an existing
trail
> going through an area does NOT qualify to have the VRM method
applied to
> it. It is already there and VRM will NOT make that trail
evaporate away
> so all is beautiful again (the greenie's view, not mine). IMO, we
won't
> be able to make VRM go away...so....I believe we must manage the
process
> in such a way as to restrict the negative impact it can have on
our form
> of recreation. (Just an idea to toss around the discussion
court.)
>
> As for the ACEC....that is, in my opinion, a spin off of the
Endangered
> Species Act which could be applied to more than just endangered
species.
> Again, I do not believe we can have this removed from the RAMP,
but we
> can take steps to negate its impact on OHV travel. I wish I had
more
> knowledge of the scientific side of these issues, but it would
seem that
> anything brought up as ACEC must be supported by accepted
scientific and
> economic proof (something along the lines of a full blow
environmental
> assessment). By getting wording similar to this in the plan, it
will
> prevent someone's opinion from becoming ACEC (at least, that is my
> hope).
>
> Last...I am still thinking that the Jeep cam with high bandwidth
video
> might be a valid idea. If we can't get more of the members
involved
> with their own hobby at land issue level, they might very well be
the
> way in which most experience their trail rides in 10 years. (Sad
but oh
> so possibly true)
>
> Thanks again from giving up your Saturday. It is obvious that you
> walked away with a heightened understanding of what the OHV
community is
> up against.
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wereazmeyer [mailto:dmeyer24@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 11:12 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: BLM Meeting in Prescott
>
> Jim,
>
> Being a "BLM first-timer" I will defer to Russell for the issues
> directly impacting OHV use, but I would like to share a few
> observations that got me somewhat wound-up.
>
> First, in the Land Actions group the BLM wanted us to comment,
> identify, and suggest parcels of land that could be exchanged
> without establishing any metric for equivalent value or motivation
> for the exchange (even though it was not directly stated it appears
> to me that the BLM priority is to ease their own land management
> issues dealing with non-contiguous parcels of land). What? Are we
> playing Risk; I'll trade you Kamchatka for Siam. At least in Risk
> you can identify the apparent value to yourself strategically but
> here, the BLM has no specifics on these parcels and I certainly
have
> no intimate knowledge of the little yellow square they've
identified
> on the map or its value.
> Interesting approach, solicit input from the ignorant and emotional
> in order to justify some bureaucratic mandate the BLM has to
> consolidate to contiguous parcels. (I'm sure I must be confusing
> the unstated BLM priority with de-fragmenting a hard drive.) It is
> refreshing to see that they accepted, for now, the suggestion that
> all land trades currently on the table should be withdrawn.
>
> Second, there seems to be no method, forum, or legislative mandate
> that would drive the BLM, the Arizona State Land Department, the
> National Forest Service, the National Park Service, the county
> boards of supervisors, townships, cities, etc. to align their land-
> use visions. Consequently, we have conflicting expectations that
> invite competition rather than cooperation. In the resulting
> confusion our scramble for the almighty dollar will yield exactly
> what we deserve, a megalopolis that will rival Los Angeles.
> I can hardly wait; imagine paying $80 to wait in line at JeepLand
> for hours, along with hundreds of other OHV enthusiasts, for your
> turn to traverse JeepLand's newest trail. Or perhaps Stu's vision
> of the future of the AZVJC; one "lucky" driver receives a pass to
> JeepLand, the rest of us receive a video transmission in our Jeep
> Simulators. (Think about an apparatus that would be capable of
> realistically simulating Sharky's driving!)
>
> Third, the BLM introduced some clever acronyms that
> represent concepts or designations that appear to be other means
> to "condemn" the land. Take the acronyms ACEC, meaning Areas of
> Critical Environmental Concern, and VRM, meaning Visual Resource
> Management, as two examples. The later implies that if a trail or
> road is interfering with one's ability to take pleasure in some
> pristine vista the BLM is not effectively executing their
> responsibility in Visual Resource Management; consequence, close
the
> road or trail. Slap the ACEC moniker on another parcel and the
> consequence is the same. Where is the due process, or due
diligence?
> It makes one ponder however; could we use VRM to rid the
> AZVJC of some those unsightly "square-headlight" vehicles posing as
> real jeeps?
>
> Overall, definitely an eye-opener as Stu indicated; damn there is a
> lot of work to do. The consequences of inaction are mind boggling,
> I'm not sure if I should thank you for the experience or slash your
> MTRs. ;-)
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > Jim (and all),
> >
> > The Recreation work group was pretty well behaved and I was
> pleased with
> > the variety of issues that were brought to the table. From what
I
> could
> > see, none were aimed at reducing our preferred method of
recreating
> > (ScottM, feel free to chime in and give your opinion here if you
so
> > desire). If Jim perceived me as getting loud a few times, it was
> due to
> > my passion for the topic being discussed. ;>)
> >
> > We had a dispersed group in that we had quad/bike users,
> > Jeepers/wheelers, RVers that like to do light Jeepin' when
> camping, one
> > guy who flies his light aircraft into old air strips to camp and
> explore
> > (now that is a different approach to getting to a camp spot),
and a
> > Jeeper who's main interest is in Geocaching. Our moderators were
> pretty
> > much on the ball and one of the two BLM employees was a good
> > acquaintance from last years OHV Conference.
> >
> > We touched on issues (and even some potential solutions) ranging
> from
> > weekend "junk" shooters to homeless people to camping access to
> > geocaching and quite a variety of ways in which these things and
> many
> > others could impact our use of BLM going into the future. We
> tried, as
> > best we could, to suggest items that could be included in the
> resource
> > management plan that would allow for the handling of possible
> issues
> > well into the future, should the need arise.....we did this in
> hopes
> > that the plan would not need to be heavily revised but that a
part
> of
> > the plan, which had not yet been implemented, so to speak, could
be
> > brought into action. I guess you could say that we were working
> to make
> > sure that the plan had enough flexibility built into it that we
> could
> > continue to manage the resources without the need to have a new
> plan
> > developed.
> >
> > I too was happy with the turn out but I got the impression that
> many of
> > the folks were not OHVers from the valley but rather folks from
the
> > Prescott/Dewey area. While they certainly have a vested interest
> in the
> > management plan, it is just as much YOUR plan as it is
> theirs....and you
> > need to be involved in its development. This single point can
not
> be
> > emphasized enough!
> >
> > I also want to personally thank Bruce Meyer and Nichole Freemon
for
> > coming to the meeting. They were "BLM first timers" and I think
I
> can
> > safely say they walked away with a new awareness of the issues
> that are
> > eroding away at our ability to simply go Jeepin'. I enjoyed the
> > conversation during the drive up and back and look forward to our
> next
> > meeting.
> >
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:32 PM
> > To: Az_Vjc
> > Subject: [az_vjc] BLM Meeting in Prescott
> >
> > I would say there were 50 to 60 people at the meeting. Over
> half
> > were in
> > RED and by a show of hands about 80% were OHV. As we had a large
> group
> > we
> > split up to every group to get as much info as possible. Stu and
> Scott
> > M.
> > went to Recreation, Rick N., and Nichole went to roads and
trails,
> Russ
> > G.,
> > Rico G. and Bruce M. went to Land issues, Randy D. and myself
went
> to
> > Resources.
> >
> > Randy and I seemed to be in the largest group of
> > anti-recreationists. One
> > guy wanted to know what could be done to eliminate noise from I-
10
> > effecting
> > the Big Horn Sheep in the area west of White Tanks. I suggested
ear
> > plugs.
> > The anti- recreationists are trying to get as much Wilderness
area
> as
> > they
> > can. I had a note installed in the record to the effect no new
> > Wilderness
> > areas. They are trying to do this by dividing up and each area
> suggest a
> > different area. The BLM stated that they can not make a
Wilderness
> area
> > but
> > can make a Wilderness Study area. I asked how a study area would
be
> > managed
> > until Congress makes the decision. It will be managed as a
> Wilderness
> > area!
> > I pointed out that this basically made it an illegal Wilderness
> area the
> > BLM
> > agreed. We have no real threaten species in this area so this
> should not
> > effect our trails.
> > I heard Stu getting loud a couple times and will leave it to
> him
> > to tell
> > everyone what he learned in the Recreation group.
> > The Trails group was surprised to only have maps available
> that
> > did not
> > show any of the Enterprise team trails. I was promised by the BLM
> that
> > at
> > the next meeting they will have the complete set of maps. They
> will also
> > have several meetings to go over trails exclusively.
> > Russ and Bruce made the point in the Land meeting that we
> wanted
> > all areas
> > taken off the table for trade. One of them will need to add what
> info
> > they
> > feel is needed.
> > Overall we had a strong showing and the BLM reps noted
> several
> > times that
> > this was the best meeting to date.
> > Last note we all need to be involved in this process.
> Overwhelm
> > them with
> > numbers and Red Shirts. Jim F.
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
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81193 From: Robert Loveless <bearloveless@h...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:55am
Subject: Meeting with Governor


I will be meeting with the Governor in Globe this Thursday. I will pass on
concerns about land use, By the way....I think SHE SUPPORTS OUR TROOPS.




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81194 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:58am
Subject: RE: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Bonnie....perhaps you really don't know many of us as well as you think
you do. But it is your choice.

Regardless if you stay or go, I pray that your brothers and their
comrades all return safely home.

Stu


Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeep Girl [mailto:jeepgirl73@c...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:55 AM
To: Scott Kruize; 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

WOW! I think I joined the wrong Jeep Club! For those of you I met it
was
great knowing you.

Sister to 8 Marine Brothers fighting in Iraq,
Bonnie
"Hail to the Redskins"




-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:48 PM
To: 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Hi Sharky,

I think the problem with the rally post is that it is not a Jeep related
issue. The bottom line (in my opinion) is that land use issues are
ontopic
and troop support rallys are offtopic. Just because I don't support the
rally being a club run doesn't mean I don't support the troops or the
idea
of a rally. So if you feel that the rally idea hasn't gotten deserved
attention its probably because other people come here to read Jeep stuff
and
ignore the rest that isn't Jeep related.

Another problem is that somebody needs to pickup the ball and lead this
rally. Whoever takes on this responsibility will need to coordinate with
law
enforcement in advance as well as put out some notices to the local
media.
Maybe it won't be an AZVJC function but there needs to be a leader
nonetheless and a contact list generated of interested people. Once this
person has setup the event then by all means I hope they post an
invitation
on the list so that individual AZVJC members that are interested can
attend.
Those that don't like it can stay home (or organize a counter
demonstration
across the street)

Why don't I support this as an AZVJC function? First of all the only
politics this group really deals with are land issues and the majority
of us
feel the same about that topic. When we start talking about war and the
politics surrounding it then you start to divide the group. I know there
are
liberal and conservative members here and of course there probably are
Jeepers participating in both types of rallys. Who are we to tell the
rest
of the group which way to think?

That being said, I'm proudly flyin the Stars and Stripes in front of my
house in support of the troops and find myself glued to Fox News these
days.
I've even got a TV tuner in my PC and I'm listening as I type this.
<Grin>


That's my take on it all.

Scott K


-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:56 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Its funny you should mention that considering the support our
troops rally got less attention from the club than the land use
issues. Somethings are just more important than others at certain
times.
To each their own but at this time my money is on a much bigger
picture.

Sharky




> > Stu,
> > It is a shame that these club members show so much effort for
> supporting
> > our troops (rightfully so) and only a fraction get as
enthusiastic
> about
> > land use meetings.
> > I have my reasons for staying at home and not being able to
> participate
> > in any activities with the club.
> > A club run showing support for our troops in Prescott would have
> been
> > the way to go.
> >
> > Joey K
> > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > 93YJ
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:06 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> > Wow.....that idea went over like a lead brick.
> >
> > <shrug>
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:04 PM
> > To: Bob Jacques; jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> > Even a better idea.....hit the BLM land use meeting tomorrow AM in
> > Prescott and then do Support Our Troops afterwards! Might as well
> > kill
two
> birds
> > with the same stone!
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@m...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:04 PM
> > To: 'jeff.trujillo@m...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > I don't know if it can be organized that quick ! but hopefully it
> will
> > all
> > be over by next weekend!! (except for the mop up )... How about
> posting
> > it
> > as a run right now to see who signs up? I can see it now, 100+
> jeeps
> > cruisin with flags a flyin' ! Pretty impressive show of
support!!!
> > Bob
> > J
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeff.trujillo@m...
> > [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:42 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > I think there are only three of us that are willing to do this! I
> am up
> > for
> > saturday but we need more people!!!
> >
> > Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > Field Service Representative
> > MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > jeff.trujillo@m...
> > Voice:(480)346-6249
> > Fax:(480)346-6813
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:40 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > Do we want to do this on the weekend? Not sure if we target the
> > Capitol we would get much response over the weekend. Then again
if
> > we do it during the week in the evening it wouldn't be any better
> > and I am not sure that many can take time off work. So how about
> > this weekend sometime? Saturday evening? Maybe cruise down Mill?
> >
> > Keep throwing out ideas everyone.
> >
> > Chris
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> -
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled"
<intertwingled@q...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > anti-dorks = peacemongering surrender monkeys?
> > >
> > > Count me in. I hate those guys.
> > >
> > > At 08:22 PM 3/21/03 -0000, you wrote:
> > > >Only if I can bring my baseball bat.
> > > >
> > > >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, jeff.trujillo@m... wrote:
> > > >> So are we going to try and put something together? I'm in for
> > doing
> > > >a demo
> > > >> at the capital across the street from the anti-dorks :o)
> > > >>
> > > >> Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > >> Field Service Representative
> > > >> MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > >> jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > >> Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > >> Fax:(480)346-6813
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Bill [mailto:bill@j...]
> > > >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:47 AM
> > > >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm in also
> > > >>
> > > >> --------------
> > > >> Bill - Jeeps Only
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81195 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:02am
Subject: RE: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Now that is an excellent idea&. few things mean more to a service man or woman than to get a care package from home. Im sure it would mean even more when it is from someone they do not know.



Stu



Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: AZICE626@aol.com [mailto:AZICE626@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:52 AM
To: rskinner@s2bsi.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops



so far, Bonnie is the only person in the group who has mentioned relatives serving overseas, other than the members who have indicated being called up....has anyone thought of showing their support my putting together care packages for the troops (especially members' family)????.....I replied to Bonnie's email wishing that she would reconsider leaving the group (you too, Ross) and that, if she was comfortable giving me the addresses of her brothers so that my family could send some care packages....I think it would be a great way to show support for the guys and gals in uniform, especially ones we have ties to (i.e., club members).....any thoughts????.... sorry for continuing a dreaded OT thread, but to me, this is no more OT than land use, fire runs, cookouts, etc.....tj gill
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81196 From: Joe-CJ7 <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:42am
Subject: RE: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops...ENOUGH!!!!


I was in the AF for 8 years, and still be in if I would not have broke my hip 2 times.



I VERY much support the troops and my President. I do not think that any kind of protesting does any good. I believe that I show my support by showing the flag on my Jeep and flying my flag at my house. I write emails to the troops. But I do not stand on a corner and hold signs that no one but the anti-war protesters see, who cares about them. We have a GREAT country that allows them to do that.



Is President Bush going to stop the war because of a few protesters, NO. Are the anti-war protesters going to stop protesting because we are out there, NO.



I LOVE our country and I support ALL military personnel.



I do not care if this is on topic or off, however it does affect every one of us in one way or another.



Thanks to all.



I am now off to San Diego and I know that my country will keep me safe when I travel.



Thanks to all of you for being SO patriotic, our troops need our support, now send an email to them thanking them.



Joe Kearney

Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Jayke Thorpe [mailto:jeepboy_3@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:33 AM
To: Joe-CJ7; Scott Kruize; sharxjeep; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops...ENOUGH!!!!



Being an active member in the NAVY Reserves, I for one would very much want to do this (as long as I am still here). For those of us who want to display our support, MORE POWER TO YOU and we should not be flamed for this!!! For those that don't, you don't need to. For instance, when the club did the display for the openeing of the 101. Did people start bashing each other since it was off topic? NO. I did not want to respond to this but could not help myself. So....if we are going to coordibate this, let's do so. I believe, or hope, wheather you participate in this or not you support our troops.

OOH-RAH!!!!! "GUNNER" THORPE

Joe-CJ7 wrote:

Very well said Scott. I agree.

Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:48 PM
To: 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

Hi Sharky,

I think the problem with the rally post is that it is not a Jeep related
issue. The bottom line (in my opinion) is that land use issues are
ontopic
and troop support rallys are offtopic. Just because I don't support the
rally being a club run doesn't mean I don't support the troops or the
idea
of a rally. So if you feel that the rally idea hasn't gotten deserved
attention its probably because other people come here to read Jeep stuff
and
ignore the rest that isn't Jeep related.

Another problem is that somebody needs to pickup the ball and lead this
rally. Whoever takes on this responsibility will need to coordinate with
law
enforcement in advance as well as put out some notices to the local
media.
Maybe it won't be an AZVJC function but there needs to be a leader
nonetheless and a contact list generated of interested people. Once this
person has setup the event then by all means I hope they post an
invitation
on the list so that individual AZVJC members that are interested can
attend.
Those that don't like it can stay home (or organize a counter
demonstration
across the street)

Why don't I support this as an AZVJC function? First of all the only
politics this group really deals with are land issues and the majority
of us
feel the same about that topic. When we start talking about war and the
politics surrounding it then you start to divide the group. I know there
are
liberal and conservative members here and of course there probably are
Jeepers participating in both types of rallys. Who are we to tell the
rest
of the group which way to think?

That being said, I'm proudly flyin the Stars and Stripes in front of my
house in support of the troops and find myself glued to Fox News these
days.
I've even got a TV tuner in my PC and I'm listening as I type this.



That's my take on it all.

Scott K


-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@cs.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:56 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Its funny you should mention that considering the support our
troops rally got less attention from the club than the land use
issues. Somethings are just more important than others at certain
times.
To each their own but at this time my money is on a much bigger
picture.

Sharky




> > Stu,
> > It is a shame that these club members show so much effort for
> supporting
> > our troops (rightfully so) and only a fraction get as
enthusiastic
> about
> > land use meetings.
> > I have my reasons for staying at home and not being able to
> participate
> > in any activities with the club.
> > A club run showing support for our troops in Prescott would have
> been
> > the way to go.
> >
> > Joey K
> > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > 93YJ
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:06 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> > Wow.....that idea went over like a lead brick.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:04 PM
> > To: Bob Jacques; jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> > Even a better idea.....hit the BLM land use meeting tomorrow AM in
> > Prescott and then do Support Our Troops afterwards! Might as well
> > kill
two
> birds
> > with the same stone!
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@m...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:04 PM
> > To: 'jeff.trujillo@m...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > I don't know if it can be organized that quick ! but hopefully it
> will
> > all
> > be over by next weekend!! (except for the mop up )... How about
> posting
> > it
> > as a run right now to see who signs up? I can see it now, 100+
> jeeps
> > cruisin with flags a flyin' ! Pretty impressive show of
support!!!
> > Bob
> > J
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeff.trujillo@m...
> > [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:42 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > I think there are only three of us that are willing to do this! I
> am up
> > for
> > saturday but we need more people!!!
> >
> > Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > Field Service Representative
> > MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > jeff.trujillo@m...
> > Voice:(480)346-6249
> > Fax:(480)346-6813
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:40 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > Do we want to do this on the weekend? Not sure if we target the
> > Capitol we would get much response over the weekend. Then again
if
> > we do it during the week in the evening it wouldn't be any better
> > and I am not sure that many can take time off work. So how about
> > this weekend sometime? Saturday evening? Maybe cruise down Mill?
> >
> > Keep throwing out ideas everyone.
> >
> > Chris
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> -
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled"

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > anti-dorks = peacemongering surrender monkeys?
> > >
> > > Count me in. I hate those guys.
> > >
> > > At 08:22 PM 3/21/03 -0000, you wrote:
> > > >Only if I can bring my baseball bat.
> > > >
> > > >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, jeff.trujillo@m... wrote:
> > > >> So are we going to try and put something together? I'm in for
> > doing
> > > >a demo
> > > >> at the capital across the street from the anti-dorks :o)
> > > >>
> > > >> Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > >> Field Service Representative
> > > >> MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > >> jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > >> Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > >> Fax:(480)346-6813
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Bill [mailto:bill@j...]
> > > >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:47 AM
> > > >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm in also
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> > support?
> > > >All
> > > >> > I keep seeing is people protesting and thinking this has to
> > to
> > > >with
> > > >> > oil or how it is going to affect the dollars spent on their
> > > >> > education.
> > > >> >
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81197 From: Jeep Girl <jeepgirl73@c...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:18am
Subject: RE: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Stu, You maybe right about me not really knowing you all. Saturday was my
first run with the Club. I spoke to one of my brothers Friday before the
run on Saturday and he almost cried. One the fact that his little sister
was going on a jeep run and two the fact that a jeep club was supporting
their troops. My brothers are the biggest jeep buffs I have ever known.
They are the reason that I bought a jeep. My brothers say that it sucks to
see the protests over here that are against them. They never see the
protesters that are for them. They said if they wanted to stay home and
knit they would have never joined the military. I lost a brother in 91 and
to this day I am so proud of him for giving his life for what HE believed
in.

Just to let you know, I would go to the land use meeting or whatever it
takes to help out but it isn't that easy I work plus I have two kids. But I
still try to do my part I have sent letters that ya'll have asked. I even
had neighbors do it also (not that they care).

I joined this club because my brothers said if I am gonna own a jeep I need
to know how to drive it. What better way to do this than join a club with
guys who know what they are doing. I think the run to support our troops
regardless of our beliefs on the war were right on. So some of you may
think this is off the topic but for a girl growing up with military brothers
I can't think of anything not being related to supporting our troops.

I won' quit the group because there are too many of you who emailed me off
the group email to tell me that I should "stick around".
I am off my soap box.

Bonnie
"Hail to the Redskins"




-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:58 AM
To: 'Jeep Girl'; 'Scott Kruize'; 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Bonnie....perhaps you really don't know many of us as well as you think
you do. But it is your choice.

Regardless if you stay or go, I pray that your brothers and their
comrades all return safely home.

Stu


Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeep Girl [mailto:jeepgirl73@c...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:55 AM
To: Scott Kruize; 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

WOW! I think I joined the wrong Jeep Club! For those of you I met it
was
great knowing you.

Sister to 8 Marine Brothers fighting in Iraq,
Bonnie
"Hail to the Redskins"




-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:48 PM
To: 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Hi Sharky,

I think the problem with the rally post is that it is not a Jeep related
issue. The bottom line (in my opinion) is that land use issues are
ontopic
and troop support rallys are offtopic. Just because I don't support the
rally being a club run doesn't mean I don't support the troops or the
idea
of a rally. So if you feel that the rally idea hasn't gotten deserved
attention its probably because other people come here to read Jeep stuff
and
ignore the rest that isn't Jeep related.

Another problem is that somebody needs to pickup the ball and lead this
rally. Whoever takes on this responsibility will need to coordinate with
law
enforcement in advance as well as put out some notices to the local
media.
Maybe it won't be an AZVJC function but there needs to be a leader
nonetheless and a contact list generated of interested people. Once this
person has setup the event then by all means I hope they post an
invitation
on the list so that individual AZVJC members that are interested can
attend.
Those that don't like it can stay home (or organize a counter
demonstration
across the street)

Why don't I support this as an AZVJC function? First of all the only
politics this group really deals with are land issues and the majority
of us
feel the same about that topic. When we start talking about war and the
politics surrounding it then you start to divide the group. I know there
are
liberal and conservative members here and of course there probably are
Jeepers participating in both types of rallys. Who are we to tell the
rest
of the group which way to think?

That being said, I'm proudly flyin the Stars and Stripes in front of my
house in support of the troops and find myself glued to Fox News these
days.
I've even got a TV tuner in my PC and I'm listening as I type this.
<Grin>


That's my take on it all.

Scott K


-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:56 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Its funny you should mention that considering the support our
troops rally got less attention from the club than the land use
issues. Somethings are just more important than others at certain
times.
To each their own but at this time my money is on a much bigger
picture.

Sharky




> > Stu,
> > It is a shame that these club members show so much effort for
> supporting
> > our troops (rightfully so) and only a fraction get as
enthusiastic
> about
> > land use meetings.
> > I have my reasons for staying at home and not being able to
> participate
> > in any activities with the club.
> > A club run showing support for our troops in Prescott would have
> been
> > the way to go.
> >
> > Joey K
> > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > 93YJ
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:06 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> > Wow.....that idea went over like a lead brick.
> >
> > <shrug>
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:04 PM
> > To: Bob Jacques; jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> > Even a better idea.....hit the BLM land use meeting tomorrow AM in
> > Prescott and then do Support Our Troops afterwards! Might as well
> > kill
two
> birds
> > with the same stone!
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@m...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:04 PM
> > To: 'jeff.trujillo@m...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > I don't know if it can be organized that quick ! but hopefully it
> will
> > all
> > be over by next weekend!! (except for the mop up )... How about
> posting
> > it
> > as a run right now to see who signs up? I can see it now, 100+
> jeeps
> > cruisin with flags a flyin' ! Pretty impressive show of
support!!!
> > Bob
> > J
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeff.trujillo@m...
> > [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:42 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > I think there are only three of us that are willing to do this! I
> am up
> > for
> > saturday but we need more people!!!
> >
> > Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > Field Service Representative
> > MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > jeff.trujillo@m...
> > Voice:(480)346-6249
> > Fax:(480)346-6813
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:40 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > Do we want to do this on the weekend? Not sure if we target the
> > Capitol we would get much response over the weekend. Then again
if
> > we do it during the week in the evening it wouldn't be any better
> > and I am not sure that many can take time off work. So how about
> > this weekend sometime? Saturday evening? Maybe cruise down Mill?
> >
> > Keep throwing out ideas everyone.
> >
> > Chris
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> -
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled"
<intertwingled@q...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > anti-dorks = peacemongering surrender monkeys?
> > >
> > > Count me in. I hate those guys.
> > >
> > > At 08:22 PM 3/21/03 -0000, you wrote:
> > > >Only if I can bring my baseball bat.
> > > >
> > > >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, jeff.trujillo@m... wrote:
> > > >> So are we going to try and put something together? I'm in for
> > doing
> > > >a demo
> > > >> at the capital across the street from the anti-dorks :o)
> > > >>
> > > >> Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > >> Field Service Representative
> > > >> MD Helicopters, Inc.
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> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Bill [mailto:bill@j...]
> > > >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:47 AM
> > > >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > > >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...>
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> > > >> > Anyone up for putting on a public display to show our
> > support?
> > > >All
> > > >> > I keep seeing is people protesting and thinking this has to
> > to
> > > >with
> > > >> > oil or how it is going to affect the dollars spent on their
> > > >> > education.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Just a thought.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Chris
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81198 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:25am
Subject: RE: [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Bonnie,

You said very well the exact point I was trying to get across:

>>They never see the protesters that are for them.

That is why I said I will show my support when our service people return
home and can see for themselves that people really do care.

My offer to make some care packages and send to your brothers still
holds. If you wish to e-mail me, off-list if you wish, an address or
two, my wife and I will be happy to send something there way.

Likewise, glad you are hanging around....I still look forward to meeting
you at the White Tanks newbie run in April. ;>)

Stu


Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeep Girl [mailto:jeepgirl73@c...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 12:18 PM
To: Stu Olson; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

Stu, You maybe right about me not really knowing you all. Saturday was
my
first run with the Club. I spoke to one of my brothers Friday before
the
run on Saturday and he almost cried. One the fact that his little
sister
was going on a jeep run and two the fact that a jeep club was supporting
their troops. My brothers are the biggest jeep buffs I have ever known.
They are the reason that I bought a jeep. My brothers say that it sucks
to
see the protests over here that are against them. They never see the
protesters that are for them. They said if they wanted to stay home and
knit they would have never joined the military. I lost a brother in 91
and
to this day I am so proud of him for giving his life for what HE
believed
in.

Just to let you know, I would go to the land use meeting or whatever it
takes to help out but it isn't that easy I work plus I have two kids.
But I
still try to do my part I have sent letters that ya'll have asked. I
even
had neighbors do it also (not that they care).

I joined this club because my brothers said if I am gonna own a jeep I
need
to know how to drive it. What better way to do this than join a club
with
guys who know what they are doing. I think the run to support our
troops
regardless of our beliefs on the war were right on. So some of you may
think this is off the topic but for a girl growing up with military
brothers
I can't think of anything not being related to supporting our troops.

I won' quit the group because there are too many of you who emailed me
off
the group email to tell me that I should "stick around".
I am off my soap box.

Bonnie
"Hail to the Redskins"




-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:58 AM
To: 'Jeep Girl'; 'Scott Kruize'; 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Bonnie....perhaps you really don't know many of us as well as you think
you do. But it is your choice.

Regardless if you stay or go, I pray that your brothers and their
comrades all return safely home.

Stu


Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeep Girl [mailto:jeepgirl73@c...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:55 AM
To: Scott Kruize; 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops

WOW! I think I joined the wrong Jeep Club! For those of you I met it
was
great knowing you.

Sister to 8 Marine Brothers fighting in Iraq,
Bonnie
"Hail to the Redskins"




-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:48 PM
To: 'sharxjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Hi Sharky,

I think the problem with the rally post is that it is not a Jeep related
issue. The bottom line (in my opinion) is that land use issues are
ontopic
and troop support rallys are offtopic. Just because I don't support the
rally being a club run doesn't mean I don't support the troops or the
idea
of a rally. So if you feel that the rally idea hasn't gotten deserved
attention its probably because other people come here to read Jeep stuff
and
ignore the rest that isn't Jeep related.

Another problem is that somebody needs to pickup the ball and lead this
rally. Whoever takes on this responsibility will need to coordinate with
law
enforcement in advance as well as put out some notices to the local
media.
Maybe it won't be an AZVJC function but there needs to be a leader
nonetheless and a contact list generated of interested people. Once this
person has setup the event then by all means I hope they post an
invitation
on the list so that individual AZVJC members that are interested can
attend.
Those that don't like it can stay home (or organize a counter
demonstration
across the street)

Why don't I support this as an AZVJC function? First of all the only
politics this group really deals with are land issues and the majority
of us
feel the same about that topic. When we start talking about war and the
politics surrounding it then you start to divide the group. I know there
are
liberal and conservative members here and of course there probably are
Jeepers participating in both types of rallys. Who are we to tell the
rest
of the group which way to think?

That being said, I'm proudly flyin the Stars and Stripes in front of my
house in support of the troops and find myself glued to Fox News these
days.
I've even got a TV tuner in my PC and I'm listening as I type this.
<Grin>


That's my take on it all.

Scott K


-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:56 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops


Its funny you should mention that considering the support our
troops rally got less attention from the club than the land use
issues. Somethings are just more important than others at certain
times.
To each their own but at this time my money is on a much bigger
picture.

Sharky




> > Stu,
> > It is a shame that these club members show so much effort for
> supporting
> > our troops (rightfully so) and only a fraction get as
enthusiastic
> about
> > land use meetings.
> > I have my reasons for staying at home and not being able to
> participate
> > in any activities with the club.
> > A club run showing support for our troops in Prescott would have
> been
> > the way to go.
> >
> > Joey K
> > http://www.desertjeep.com
> > 93YJ
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:06 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> > Wow.....that idea went over like a lead brick.
> >
> > <shrug>
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:04 PM
> > To: Bob Jacques; jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> > Even a better idea.....hit the BLM land use meeting tomorrow AM in
> > Prescott and then do Support Our Troops afterwards! Might as well
> > kill
two
> birds
> > with the same stone!
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@m...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:04 PM
> > To: 'jeff.trujillo@m...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > I don't know if it can be organized that quick ! but hopefully it
> will
> > all
> > be over by next weekend!! (except for the mop up )... How about
> posting
> > it
> > as a run right now to see who signs up? I can see it now, 100+
> jeeps
> > cruisin with flags a flyin' ! Pretty impressive show of
support!!!
> > Bob
> > J
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeff.trujillo@m...
> > [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:42 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > I think there are only three of us that are willing to do this! I
> am up
> > for
> > saturday but we need more people!!!
> >
> > Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > Field Service Representative
> > MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > jeff.trujillo@m...
> > Voice:(480)346-6249
> > Fax:(480)346-6813
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:40 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> >
> >
> > Do we want to do this on the weekend? Not sure if we target the
> > Capitol we would get much response over the weekend. Then again
if
> > we do it during the week in the evening it wouldn't be any better
> > and I am not sure that many can take time off work. So how about
> > this weekend sometime? Saturday evening? Maybe cruise down Mill?
> >
> > Keep throwing out ideas everyone.
> >
> > Chris
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
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> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "intertwingled"
<intertwingled@q...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > anti-dorks = peacemongering surrender monkeys?
> > >
> > > Count me in. I hate those guys.
> > >
> > > At 08:22 PM 3/21/03 -0000, you wrote:
> > > >Only if I can bring my baseball bat.
> > > >
> > > >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, jeff.trujillo@m... wrote:
> > > >> So are we going to try and put something together? I'm in for
> > doing
> > > >a demo
> > > >> at the capital across the street from the anti-dorks :o)
> > > >>
> > > >> Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> > > >> Field Service Representative
> > > >> MD Helicopters, Inc.
> > > >> jeff.trujillo@m...
> > > >> Voice:(480)346-6249
> > > >> Fax:(480)346-6813
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Bill [mailto:bill@j...]
> > > >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:47 AM
> > > >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Re: Support Our Troops
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm in also
> > > >>
> > > >> --------------
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> > > >> http://www.jeepsonly.com
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> > > >> > Anyone up for putting on a public display to show our
> > support?
> > > >All
> > > >> > I keep seeing is people protesting and thinking this has to
> > to
> > > >with
> > > >> > oil or how it is going to affect the dollars spent on their
> > > >> > education.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Just a thought.
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