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My1stJeep
06-23-2008, 10:20 PM
Thank you to all who wrote or called in, your voices were heard!!!

SB1167 came up to a vote today in the Senate and PASSED 16 Yes, 7 No, 7 Did Not Vote.

Now we are just waiting for the Governer signature.

Link to thread on SB1167: http://www.azvirtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=483&page=3

Senate Site: http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....ls/sb1167o.asp

I wish I could say our work is done, however HCR2044 is going to come up again and we need to be ready to say no. They are going to disguise it as best they can, but the meat of it is that it will at the descretion of the politicians allow them to raid any self funding program, so that they can fix their mess and balance the budget. This threatens all self funding programs, we can't let them rob us any more, it is time to make them live within their means as well.

Jdemonto
06-24-2008, 09:16 AM
Are you sure thats a good thing?

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/642/t/6488/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=24792



This bill has been stuck in the Senate Republican Caucus for many weeks as senators contemplate the prospect of Senator Ron Gould filibustering the bill. The more time drags on, the less likely the bill is to make it to the floor and pass. It would be a shame to see the bill die after all of the work and extreme effort it took to get people on the same page and to get the needed improvements for land protection. SB1167 provides funding for law enforcement and mitigation and restoration of areas damaged by off-road vehicles, plus includes limitations on where new trails can be built with the grant dollars. It is a step in the right direction to help better protect important public and private lands from irresponsible off-road vehicle activities. It also includes safety provisions. - Sierra Club AZ

SavageSun4x4
06-24-2008, 10:09 AM
Thank you to all who wrote or called in, your voices were heard!!!

SB1167 came up to a vote today in the Senate and PASSED 16 Yes, 7 No, 7 Did Not Vote.

Now we are just waiting for the Governer signature.

Link to thread on SB1167: http://www.azvirtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=483&page=3

Senate Site: http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....ls/sb1167o.asp

I wish I could say our work is done, however HCR2044 is going to come up again and we need to be ready to say no. They are going to disguise it as best they can, but the meat of it is that it will at the descretion of the politicians allow them to raid any self funding program, so that they can fix their mess and balance the budget. This threatens all self funding programs, we can't let them rob us any more, it is time to make them live within their means as well.

Chris, who you callin 'WE'? REMEMBER there are a LOT of folks in the 4x4 community that opposed this.

Trust me I did not oppose it. Albeit I am not the happiest with the way the fees are being collected. But time will tell. I personally would have preferred to see a sticker for the windshield that had to be renewed every year or face a fine if on public lands with a sticker that was expired or no sticker.

My1stJeep
06-24-2008, 06:09 PM
We are the people that called in and pushed to get this passed. That is quite a few members on here and other sites. I do recall some against it, but the number of letters generated for it were alot higher then the ones against it.

I believe it is a good thing, the funds will be collected, and really won't cost more then in the past since you will no longer be required to purchase an STL permit. The fund distribution will be overseen by the OHV community, yes there will be others involved to ensure it is not missued, but the committee overall is Pro-OHV. It will create Law Enforcement, funds for education, trail maintenance, and if needed open new trails, might even be able to use some funds via a grant to help control the dust in some of our favorite trail areas, thus the possibility that they would not be closed to us even on the HPA days (this is just a maybe and a suggestion by me, not been talked about with anyone else yet, but will be brought up at the next coalition meeting to see if we can). One thing is for sure it will help with the education and Law Enforcement to clean up the areas and get the yahoos out of our trails. Loads of benefits.

Yes the Sierra Club was for the bill, it is a way to get some of what they want, a cleaner out doors. Make no mistake they will be all over us and still trying to close things down, but they don't get a dime of the money. We did need their buy in, in the past they have been at the table, but someone called at the 11th hour and told the Senators they were not and to kill the bill. This time around it was well documented, including Senators at the table so they knew better this time. This did help the bill get passed.

Over all it is a huge step in the right direction, and yes Don I was also hoping for the sticker in the window, and it may still be that the permit you buy is just that a sticker in the window, I don't know yet.

djui5
06-24-2008, 06:20 PM
Federal Recreation Fees Under Bipartisan Fire in Washington

Washington, DC - In a public hearing on Wednesday, June 18th, the U.S. House of Representatives Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and Public Lands, chaired by Representative Raśl Grijalva (D-AZ), expressed serious concern about recreation fees that are being imposed by the Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, National Park Service, and other federal land management agencies.
The hearing was entitled “Paying to Play – Implementation of Fee Authority on Public Lands.” Chairman Grijalva set the tone in his opening statement when he said, “I firmly believe that the American public should not have to pay additional fees to have access to our world class system of parks, forests, refuges and public lands -- whether it be listening to a ranger program in a national park, hiking the wilderness, or enjoying a picnic in the woods in a national forest.”
Five invited witnesses presented evidence of powerful public opposition to recreation fees, lack of accountability for fee revenue, and efforts to exclude the public from fee proposals. The Subcommittee is also taking testimony from the general public by email until July 2nd. According to Grijalva, the Subcommittee has been “inundated” by messages from citizens calling on Congress to repeal the Federal Lands Recreation Enhancement Act (FLREA). Fee authority has been governed by the FLREA since it replaced the Fee Demo program in December 2004.
Idaho State Representative George Eskridge testified about the harm that fees are doing to Idaho’s efforts to promote and develop tourism in the wake of job losses in the declining timber industry.
“We have attempted to adjust to this loss of a major industry by promoting a more robust tourist industry that in part relies on the public taking advantage of the recreational opportunities on the federal lands in our state,” said Eskridge. “The improper implementation of fees for use of these facilities not only is resulting in opposition and dissatisfaction from our Idaho citizens, but I believe will result in a decrease in use of these facilities by the general public, and will result in a significant negative impact to the tourist industry in Idaho, not to mention in the nation in general.”
Western Slope No-Fee Coalition President Kitty Benzar spoke about the increasing number of fee sites and the questionable legality of many fees. She took special aim at the Forest Service’s use of High Impact Recreation Areas, or HIRAs, which are being widely used by the Forest Service although they are not authorized in the law. Within a HIRA, a fee is required for all uses, even those specifically exempted by law from fees such as roadside parking and scenic overlooks. (Like the B.S. Red Rock Pass)
Testifying as an ordinary citizen, California teacher and kayaker Peter Wiechers told the tale of his efforts to obtain information from the Sequoia National Forest that have been “thwarted at every turn.” In his judgment as a teacher, Wiechers said, “the Forest Service has failed their program.”
On the whole, the legislators’ questions were critical of claims by the public lands agencies that there is public support for fees, and that the fees being charged for access to large tracts of public land are within the scope of the law. Agency witnesses Interior Department Deputy Secretary Lynn Scarlett and Agriculture Department Undersecretary Mark Rey defended their fee programs, but faced tough questions from the Subcommittee.
Hearing co-chair Grace Napolitano (D-CA) observed that, when she was raising her family, they frequently visited public lands. “I doubt that I would have been able to afford them, with five children, if we’d had to pay an additional cost to travel into those areas,” she said.
Peter DeFazio (D-OR) expressed concern about the Forest Service’s accounting for fee revenue, which he says is “disappearing into the maw of the bureaucracy.” His staff has been unable to get an accounting of $350 million in Forest Service fee revenue. “The numbers just don’t add up properly,” he said.
Lois Capps (D-CA) told Rey that, despite his statements that visitors are only charged for amenities they actually use, she has heard from many constituents that the Los Padres National Forest requires them to pay fees for amenities that are far from the places they visit. “It would seem to me that with these HIRAs, the Forest Service is simply using them to get around the letter of the law,” Capps said.
William Sali (R-ID), noting that his state has had a tough time recovering from the loss of the timber industry, said that Idahoans are not unreasonable when they object to having to pay fees to picnic or hike in the same National Forests that “once supported their jobs, put money into their schools, and used to sustain their local economy.”
Jay Inslee (D-WA) said the National Forests in Washington state are “just falling apart” and wondered why, despite fee revenue, roads and trails in the backcountry are not being kept open and in good repair. He said that the Forests in his state are “a disaster from a recreational standpoint.”
Rob Bishop (R-UT) questioned why the agencies are spending fee revenues building new facilities when “we can’t maintain what we already have.”
Both Scarlett and Rey told the Subcommittee that there is ample public participation and that public input into fee decisions is actively sought by the agencies they oversee, but Wiechers disagreed.
“They didn’t even stay to hear my testimony,” he observed. “As soon as they were done speaking, they left. I don’t think they care at all what the public says, and they sure didn’t care to hear what I had to say. It was just rude.”
WSNFC President Benzar expressed satisfaction with the hearing. “The Subcommittee showed great interest in hearing about the kinds of abuses that are brought to my attention daily from all over the country,” she said. “I am optimistic that one or more members will act to end this failed experiment and introduce legislation to repeal the FLREA. Anyone who does that will be a hero in their home District.”
A bill to repeal FLREA is currently pending in the Senate with bipartisan sponsorship led by Max Baucus (D-MT) and Mike Crapo (R-ID). No House version has yet been introduced.

google westernslopenofee for more info

RubiJk
06-24-2008, 09:38 PM
Probably similar to what was already posted...


Off-highway vehicle bill passes Arizona Senate, goes to Governor


June 24, 2008




Long-awaited legislation that will help better manage off-highway vehicle (OHV) recreation and protect wildlife habitat passed the Arizona Senate yesterday and has been sent to the Governor.

Senate Bill 1167, also known as the “Off-Highway Vehicle Bill,” passed the Senate by a vote of 16-7, with 7 members not voting.

The bill has been transmitted to Gov. Janet Napolitano and awaits her signature.

SB 1167 will provide long-overdue resources to better manage issues created by the dramatic increase in OHV use in Arizona (347 percent in the last decade). Irresponsible riding has damaged habitat and created the potential for closures of some areas.

With the passage of SB 1167, revenue raised through an estimated $20 annual user fee (exact amount to be determined through a public rule making process) on off-highway vehicles will help provide funding for additional law enforcement, trail/facility maintenance and reconstruction, rider education and information (including identification of lawful places for operators to ride), and mitigation of resource damage from OHVs.

This “user play, user pay” approach is similar to that used by hunters and anglers, where sportsmen pay license fees to support their hunting and fishing opportunities and benefits. In this case, OHV users will pay the annual user fee to support the sustainable management of their recreational opportunities and resource protection.

“We’re thrilled to see this legislation pass,” said Arizona Game and Fish Commission Chairman Bill McLean. “Balancing the protection of wildlife habitat with opportunities for responsible OHV recreation has been a priority of the Game and Fish Commission. We worked hard on this bill with sponsor Rep. Jerry Weiers and the coalition of supporters, and we’re looking forward to its implementation.”

“This was drastically needed to keep up with the explosive growth of OHV use in our state,” said Mike Senn, assistant director for field operations for the Arizona Game and Fish Department. “It provides beefed-up tools—information/education efforts on responsible riding, trail development and habitat mitigation, new laws to address irresponsible riding, and seven new OHV law enforcement officers—to better manage OHV recreation and protect wildlife habitat.”

The bill passed through the Arizona House of Representatives in April by a vote of 42-13.

Key supporters in the Legislature were Rep. Jerry Weiers (R-District 10) and Sen. Linda Gray (R-District 12).

The bill was supported by a diverse coalition of organizations, including the Arizona Game and Fish Commission, Arizona Game and Fish Department, Arizona Off-Highway Vehicle Coalition, Responsible Trails America (Arizona Chapter), Arizona Sportsmen for Wildlife, Arizona Power Sports Industry Association, Wildlife Conservation Council, Apache County ATV Roughriders, Sierra Club (Grand Canyon Chapter), Arizona Motor Sports Association, Arizona Wildlife Federation, Drew and the Crew Motor Sports, National Rifle Association, Arizona Council of Trout Unlimited, The Nature Conservancy, Sonoran Institute, Arizona State Parks, and Arizona State Land Department, among others.

When signed by the Governor, the OHV bill would become law on Jan. 1, 2009.

For additional information, visit www.azgfd.gov/ohv

GRUNT
06-24-2008, 11:08 PM
Please forgive me if these are one and the same but I read in the Arizona Republic (Only cause someone brought it into the station this morning) that HB-2573 passed in the Senate... Talking about the $23 fee, etc. Is this the same bill? Why do they have different numbers? :confused:

My1stJeep
06-25-2008, 06:40 PM
djui5

Great post, good info.

However something everyone needs to keep in mind, that the current situation is not working and we are on the verge and have already only due to the lobbyist been able to continue to wheel on STL. If we don't do something we are reaching the point where we are going to start losing lands faster then we can reach for a beverage, thus the need to help us create sustainable plans for OHV and other forms of recreation on public lands.

Up to this point $800,000 per year that OHV was to recieve via a gas tax has been robbed by the politicians every year. This bill takes that back and creates funds for the programs we need to preserve our areas, trails and open land to wheel and recreate. Without this we lose in all areas.

I see that article and wonder what will happen, if we lose this funding over that, we are back to square one and losing out wheeling lands. I wonder if the green groups are behind this?

The cost of this is no higher then the current cost of a family STL permit, so it is really not going to be any more expensive since it replaces it. I know it is hard to believe and there is skepticism, but believe me those closest to this and have been to the meetings and know the lay of the land know how much this means and how much it is going to save our rights in the long run.

RussChung
06-26-2008, 01:45 AM
Please forgive me if these are one and the same but I read in the Arizona Republic (Only cause someone brought it into the station this morning) that HB-2573 passed in the Senate... Talking about the $23 fee, etc. Is this the same bill? Why do they have different numbers? :confused:
Allen,

It's all rather simple: :confused:
1. The "off-highway vehicles; user fee" bill was introduced on Jan 29 as HB-2573 and passed by the House on March 10 by a vote of 43-13 and sent to the Senate.
2. On March 19, the Senate Committee on Natural Resources and Rural Affairs defeated the bill.
3. Meanwhile, the "funeral escort vehicle" bill was introduced on Jan 23 as SB-1167 and passed by the Senate on March 3 by a vote of 24-3 and sent to the House.
4. On March 26, the House Natural Resources Committee amended SB-1167 to "strike everything" about funeral escort vehicles and inserted the contents of HB-2573 into SB-1167 and renamed it the "user fee; off-highway vehicles" bill. The amended SB-1167 passed the House on April 3 and was transmitted to the Senate.
5. The Senate passed the amended SB-1167 on June 23 and sent it to the Governor.

I glossed over a lot of little details, but now I have a better understanding about why we need to spend money for lobbyists and lawyers. :aagh:

Russ

My1stJeep
06-28-2008, 03:57 PM
Russ

You are correct, having a lobbyist on our side is extremely important.

I don't think everyone realizes, that if it had not been for our lobbyist you all would have already lost your rights to wheel on ALL land inside Maricopa County.

In addition the passing of this bill will also help keep our areas open and preserve those rights.

djui5
06-29-2008, 09:52 AM
Napolitano signs:


Good Morning Off-highway Vehicle Legislative Stakeholders,

It is my pleasure to let you know that the Off-highway Vehicle Bill was signed by Governor Napolitano last night. This was only possible due to your hard work and dedication and we are extremely appreciative! We can now move forward and more effectively work on those issues affecting OHV use in our state. Please take the time to thank the Legislators that voted for this bill. Without their support this bill would have gone nowhere. A special thank you to Representative Jerry Weiers (R) Glendale, who sponsored the bill, persevered through the Senate and always kept sight of the importance of this legislation. His leadership and ability to build a coalition was key to the success. And also to Senator Linda Gray (R) Phoenix, who provided the striker bill and amendment, guided the bill through the Senate and in a brilliant move brought it up for its final vote.

It has been a pleasure to work with all of you on this endeavor and I look forward to continuing our collaborative efforts during the implementation of the legislation.

FrenchChili
07-27-2008, 10:24 PM
ok now, what's the next step?

cosninocanines
07-28-2008, 08:21 AM
Quick FAQ on the bill
http://www.azgfd.gov/outdoor_recreation/ohv_legislation_faqs.shtml#5