Foundation Meeting for Search & Rescue Group

[amber.hodge]

Foundation Meeting for Search & Rescue Group (aka J.E.E.P. in social groups)

DATE: Sunday, June 29, 2008

TIME: 1300 hrs (1:00 pm civilian time)

LOCATION: PPMR (papago military reservation) at the Petty Crew Armory conference room. South side of McDowell @ Bushmaster Rd just East of 52nd Street.

Hosts/ POCs: Benber (The Ben & amber.hodge) and Jim (ArizonaXJ)

INTENT: Meeting to actually organize classes (cpr/first aid/ search & rescue/etc), scheduling of classes, instructors for classes, internal and external assets - basically to make sure this runs smoothly and is a long term thing we can build on instead of a mess that started out as a good concept. This will be a meeting to pull together everyone's input, ideas, implementation, and other important information.

IMPORTANT INFO:

No personal firearms may be brought on base - the MP's don't like it. :osama:

You must have a valid Arizona Drivers License and a seat belt on to get on base. We will have the MP's alerted to expect you. You may NOT talk on a cell phone while driving on base - again, the MP's don't like it. Speed limit on base is a rock crawling slow 15 MPH.

If you cannot make it, there will be a teleconference number provided to you.

Please feel free to bring a beverage - I'll have water and some soda onhand just in case.:fashizzle:



If you have any questions, please PM myself and ArizonaXJ or post up and we will address any questions, concerns, btches, gripes or complaints.

Please answer the poll if you plan to attend so we may make accomodations on base and with the schedule to plan properly.

[alanntamtam]

Count us in Amber,,, Alan on Tammys site I will post the same when I log in
Sounds great.

[My Green Jeep]

I dont get off until 1:30pm would take me a bit to get there..

so... I am out...

[amber.hodge]

Rox - you may end up just missing a teeny bit.

I imagine everyone will mill around and meet and we'll allow everyone to get there - that may give you some time. otherwise, I plan on taking meeting minute notes and then sending them out to those who couldn't phone in or come.

[tomfooshee]

I don't know my schedule until I get closer to the date. I will try to make it though.

[amber.hodge]

I will add that I am collaborating with tom fooshee to attempt to have MCSO and other representation there in order to have coordination and guidance between entities.

[gadget1]

Foundation Meeting for Search & Rescue Group (aka J.E.E.P. in social groups)

DATE: Sunday, June 28, 2008

TIME: 1300 hrs (1:00 pm civilian time)


Clarification Please,

Is it SAT June 28th
or Sun June 29th

Sun is actually better for me but will work toward making either

Thanks

[The Ben]

this will be a great thing, I am anxious to see how it turns out

[amber.hodge]

Clarification Please,

Is it SAT June 28th
or Sun June 29th

Sun is actually better for me but will work toward making either

Thanks

Thank you for the catch!! It is SUNDAY the 29th.

I want to add that this will be for those serious about getting a real jeeper search and rescue group going that will be able to act quickly and safely in a calculated method in emergencies - with all members certified - collaborating with law enforcement entities and making sure that we also know how to act if we come across a crime scene in a search so as not to contaminate it - basically so we can go out and do more good than harm instead of more harm than good. The certifications also help us to avoid lawsuits and other such nightmares.

We really have a lot to give to the law enforcement community in the means of knowledge of vehicle recovery and intense trails their vehicles many times cannot navigate through. They have a lot to give us in the way of CPR knowledge, proper means for conducting search and rescue groups and other information.:drummer:

[lazarus7]

I will do everything possible to attend this meeting. I am coming from the west side[Goodyear] and if I drive our Liberty I will have room for passengers if needed.
Bob Stevens

[rangers_range]

I'm in.

[wild mustang]

my schedule opened up..so i can attend....
i will have an open seat...coming from the north valley...27th st and greenway....

debbi

[HvyHau8272]

I will be there. Amber can you post this on the calender?

[amber.hodge]

Sure can. Will go to the calendar right away

[ArizonaXJ]

Not to steal your thunder Amber but the folks in attendance can carry on base. Need to remember, this is NOT a Federal installation.

HOWEVER, that does not mean brining your own personal arsenal!!!! The guys that work the gates would not take kindly to being out gunned!

And don't flaunt it, obviously. There should not be any trouble for those that wish to carry for personal protection (I know how those Recruiters are and you can say that is why you're carrying!!!!)

I will confirm and post up the teleconference number for those that wish to use it. There will be a local (602 area code) number and a 1-800 number for those that are out of town, etc.

As Amber said; this is a "get this off the ground and organized meeting".
What I envision is a meeting where everyone introduces themselves (after the informal BS session prior to the meeting), tells what they have to offer, i.e. Certified CPR instructor, expert in map reading and land nav (GPS don't count!), certified in rappelling, etc.
Then, I think that it would be good to discuss ability to instruct classes to other members, etc.
A few things that I see happening here are these:
1. BS session
2. Sign in sheet
3. On sign in sheet or form similar, a list of what you can or would do as in instructing.
4. Possibly have a couple of our LEAs and folks that are second man qualified to provide in put from the LEA perspective (this is so we don't waste time going over things that we can not or should not ever do).
5. Develop a plan for the next meeting and so-on.

Obviously we need to come up with an agenda for the meeting so everyone is on the same sheet of music more or less and knows what we're going over. This could also be PMd out I guess to those not in attendance in person but via teleconference.

Amber and I discussed dates and Sunday the 29th seemed the best. There are those that work 5 or 6 days a week and we know that even though it is on a Sunday there are still people that work. Just trying to play the odds for maximum participation is all. And that also the possibility of anyone else using the facilities is very remote. Not that we'll need the whole building.

Some thing I think that we need to have there also is AZLugz call out list. Good start for information in my opinion. It has a LOT of information pertaing to the members who are willing to help out but not just getting into this group.

Also, before I forget...Would like to see a couple of you HAM GURUs there!!!..

Just the Redneck thinking again.

[amber.hodge]

Three bags full sergeant :)

I'm already working on LEOs with Tom Fooshee

I will work with you during the week on an agenda also conferencing with Tom Fooshee on our rough draft for ideas or input for the final agenda draft

I will work on a fill out and then will publish it in an excel spreadsheet for email dissemination after the conclusion of the meeting.

I will also publish meeting minutes and disseminate them after the meeting.

:)

[GRUNT]

I am on shift... Will see what I can do.

[arczech]

We are in,,, Anyone need a ride from I-17 and 101 we have the back seat free

[BaronVonRoot]

ok will be there just down the road for me my shops at 64th st and thomas looking forward to this Dan

[gadget1]

Amber,
I have had a couple of people from other off roading clubs express interest in this topic. Would you like me to extend an invitation to them to attend as well?

Steve

[crgeorge]

Hi Amber, I will know closer to the date whether I can attend or not. I like the idea of extending the invite to other 4x4 clubs, this could be a good idea, the more help the better. Hey Steve, what's going on?

Chad

[Sardog 609]

I'm in there like wet swimwear.

[amber.hodge]

I would imagine that turning away experience and help because an individual was not from this forum would be unwise. That being said, this meeting is to get the foundation laid - I don't want to be overly exclusive or inclusive...so, Please ensure that you let myself of Arizona XJ know the numbers on your end of who you have invited from other sites so that we can ensure we have planned right for it.

[AZDIRTJK]

Joanne and I will attend. I can assist with the other LEA's. And for the HAM gurus ...I need to test out my new 520XL.

[mbuckner]

I will be there :driving:

[Hunter]

I plan on being there. Looking forward to it.

[k7mto]

I can't make it (what with being out late for the Rock & Roll Jeep Show the previous evening) but I'll call in if a number is made available.

[Stickbuddy]

The nature of my work sometimes makes it tough to commit, but as far as I can see at present, there is no problem. Count me in!

[David C]

I'm planning on attending. Work could possibly pull me away but only a slight chance. Looking forward to it. Thanks for putting this together!

[AZLugz]

I put on the poll that I will go but there are a couple things that may pull me out, for now I am planning on it tho. I have the Listing on my laptop and will bring it along, I also have a projector for my laptop if we need it

[TWSTDTJ]

Hi all,
Sorry I didnt post on the other thread, b ut I am very interested in this. Unfortunately I will be out of town until July 12th and will not be able to make the t-con. I have volunteer Fire Dept training, am cpr certified, first aid, am an avid rappeller, Both my jeep and tow rig are set up for recovery and extraction, I also work from home and can usually be available at hours when most may not.

Please keep me in the loop.

Thanks,

Jeff

[SavageSun4x4]

Not to steal your thunder Amber but the folks in attendance can carry on base. Need to remember, this is NOT a Federal installation.

HOWEVER, that does not mean brining your own personal arsenal!!!! The guys that work the gates would not take kindly to being out gunned!

And don't flaunt it, obviously. There should not be any trouble for those that wish to carry for personal protection (I know how those Recruiters are and you can say that is why you're carrying!!!!)

I will confirm and post up the teleconference number for those that wish to use it. There will be a local (602 area code) number and a 1-800 number for those that are out of town, etc.

As Amber said; this is a "get this off the ground and organized meeting".
What I envision is a meeting where everyone introduces themselves (after the informal BS session prior to the meeting), tells what they have to offer, i.e. Certified CPR instructor, expert in map reading and land nav (GPS don't count!), certified in rappelling, etc.
Then, I think that it would be good to discuss ability to instruct classes to other members, etc.
A few things that I see happening here are these:
1. BS session
2. Sign in sheet
3. On sign in sheet or form similar, a list of what you can or would do as in instructing.
4. Possibly have a couple of our LEAs and folks that are second man qualified to provide in put from the LEA perspective (this is so we don't waste time going over things that we can not or should not ever do).
5. Develop a plan for the next meeting and so-on.

Obviously we need to come up with an agenda for the meeting so everyone is on the same sheet of music more or less and knows what we're going over. This could also be PMd out I guess to those not in attendance in person but via teleconference.

Amber and I discussed dates and Sunday the 29th seemed the best. There are those that work 5 or 6 days a week and we know that even though it is on a Sunday there are still people that work. Just trying to play the odds for maximum participation is all. And that also the possibility of anyone else using the facilities is very remote. Not that we'll need the whole building.

Some thing I think that we need to have there also is AZLugz call out list. Good start for information in my opinion. It has a LOT of information pertaing to the members who are willing to help out but not just getting into this group.

Also, before I forget...Would like to see a couple of you HAM GURUs there!!!..

Just the Redneck thinking again.
HEY, I thought I told you its NOT REDNECK thinking, its the American WAY!:)

On another note:

There is nothing better than helping someone out of a jam. We all want to do good.

That said this thing has progressed to the point there are nearly 50 folks involved and has taken on a name: J.E.E.P. and we are having a formal get together to discuss what we bring to the table, and how we will be organized. We are also having a meeting on state property in a state facility.

Based upon that we are not a gaggle of folks sitting around drinking beer and saying what we could do if somebody broke down.

I see subjects that need to be addressed before this gets down the road too far:

1) Use of the word: J.E.E.P.
IMO this implies that we are somehow, someway connected with JEEP.

2) Helping someone and or their Jeep out of a dangerous position.

a) Bodily injury

b) Rig danger. I have seen more damage done to rigs under the auspices of helping than was done when the trail mishap occurred.

BOTTOM LINE:

We need some guidance most likely from a lawyer in the use of J.E.E.P. and liability for further injury/death and damage to someones rig.

Good Sam laws: These laws generally apply to INDIVIDUALS who take action to help someone at the scene of an accident and as a general rule they are protected from lawsuits as a result. Almost all of the Good Sam laws apply to individuals that are UNQUALIFIED.

Example. If a Doctor is walking down the street and there is a wreck and he goes to help someone who was injured and he makes a mistake...HE can be sued since he is a MD and would know better. You or I do the same we are protected by Good Sam laws because NOT being a Doctor, but just a Jeep mech we don't know better.

I am going to ask that any LEO's speak to this and John Hunter also address this as he is involved with this type of activity in his association with the Sheriffs Posse.

What I am saying is this: Due to the formality of this are we exposing ourselves both as individuals and collectively to legal action in terms of a lawsuit for additional bodily or auto damages????????????????????????

[rangers_range]

Don, excellent questions all. I agree these need to be addressed. Let us be prepared to talk some of them out at the meeting and research further as needed.

1. I do not believe the group name is set in stone. It is pretty cool. I can also see the obvious glee from the drivers of other makes of ORVs will get from the name. Further, we can decide just what form if any the group should take. We do not necessarily need to have a formal group. Liability comes to both individuals and groups. A little time talking with an attorney might guide us in this.

2. You are on target with the possibility of liability from a searcher, seachee, by-stander etc. getting hurt or killed during a search or extraction. I have first hand experience with this. Plus any time large forces are being applied to metal masses something or some one might break.

Reposting from a different thread:

The Good Samaritan law for Arizona is directed at medical care.

A.R.S. 32-1471. Health care provider and any other person; emergency aid; nonliability

Any health care provider licensed or certified to practice as such in this state or elsewhere, or a licensed ambulance attendant, driver or pilot as defined in section 41-1831, or any other person who renders emergency care at a public gathering or at the scene of an emergency occurrence gratuitously and in good faith shall not be liable for any civil or other damages as the result of any act or omission by such person rendering the emergency care, or as the result of any act or failure to act to provide or arrange for further medical treatment or care for the injured persons, unless such person, while rendering such emergency care, is guilty of gross negligence.


As you can see, the statute does apply to individuals. It is not only directed at trained people (any other person). The idea is to get people to help at emergencies. It does not mater if you are acting as an individual or as part of a group, you are covered.

The bottom line is yes we are taking on liability by helping to search or extract. That begs the question: how do we best limit our liability. Let me add quickly, I have been involved as a volunteer and professional in law enforcement, fire, emergency medical services, and search and rescue since I was a teenager. I have never been sued or had a bad consequence from anything I have done with this including stopping at wrecks.

[AZLugz]

We are not formalizing ourselves as a certified search and rescue operation, we are still a group of individual citizens that will go out and do the same as we have to help others, the difference being that we are trying to have a better understanding of what we are doing and how to do it in a more effective manner. We should still fall under the good sam rules and even more so in a lawsuit situation as we have taken steps to try and better our understanding.

If you are the only person that comes up on an accident and the person is not breathing, you have never been trained but you try and do what you saw on TV and fail....the person dies....the good sam law covers you as long as you made a reasonable attempt ie. did not start cuttin holes in them to let air in !!!!!

Same situation except you are Red Cross Certified in CPR and Rescue Breathing, you do your best and the person still dies, you are still covered under Good Sam and possibly more so as it can be argued that you gave them more of a chance with the forethought of having limited training.

As for the Name, it came about in the early parts of the contact listing, we had started with calling it the Amber list as her and Ben's submarine ride were what really kicked it off, but people were worried about the confusion with the child abduction group so we changed. Changing it again is not a problem we will just have to trow some ideas on the table.

For those that don't know... J.E.E.P.

Jeep Emergency Extraction Personnel


All good points Don and good things to make us dig deep and think about what we are doing and where we are going!!

[SavageSun4x4]

Its not just in case of injury, its is also additional damage to a vehicle.

Its not legit cases that has me worried its the ones that make no sense.

Today on TV

'Woman Sues Victoria's Secret, Claims Injury From Defective Thong'

and in case you are wondering, the person that filed the lawsuit is a LEO!

[Pac8541]

Its not just in case of injury, its is also additional damage to a vehicle.

Its not legit cases that has me worried its the ones that make no sense.

Today on TV

'Woman Sues Victoria's Secret, Claims Injury From Defective Thong'

and in case you are wondering, the person that filed the lawsuit is a LEO!


Don, she's NOT a law enforcement officer. She's an employee of the Los Angeles Dept. of Transportation and although her title may include the word "officer", referring to her as an LEO is grossly incorrect. At best, this retard is a meter maid. The "law" they enforce are city ordinances, not state or federal statutes or laws that subject a person to arrest.

Not mad at ya, just wanted to clear that up. None of the actual officers I've ever worked with, female or otherwise, would even admit something like this happened much less consider a lawsuit. This is another ridiculous example of some people's shameless efforts to game the game and get something for nothing.

[WalterD]

We are not formalizing ourselves as a certified search and rescue operation, we are still a group of individual citizens that will go out and do the same as we have to help others, the difference being that we are trying to have a better understanding of what we are doing and how to do it in a more effective manner. We should still fall under the good sam rules and even more so in a lawsuit situation as we have taken steps to try and better our understanding.

!!


I agree with AZLugz. Isn't that our goal? To be more effective?

[arczech]

I agree with AZLugz. Isn't that our goal? To be more effective?

X3

[Transrock2]

I would love to attend, however I will be in Alaska.

I will keep my eyes open to see when you all will be meeting again.

If you can post some minutes or something for us that can't attend that would be great!

Thanks, Mark

[gefelix]

I will be on international travel 27Jun thru 07Jul so will have to catch the next one.

[FourxDad]

This is great. Denise and I will be there. Greg

[amber.hodge]

Wow - away for a few days and a lot to catch up on! took an active duty position with the Army National Guard and have been working like crazy all week. I have been collaborating between Tom Fooshee, Hunter, ArizonaXJ and I will answer some questions now - the rest will be at the meeting. Keep in mind that this will be a led meeting so as to keep it from becoming a free for all and there will be a couple guest speakers who are possymen, LEOs or medical gurus. Most of these questions will be hashed out at the meeting. This is why we are having the meeting. To discuss all of these things as a group. :)


I can't make it (what with being out late for the Rock & Roll Jeep Show the previous evening) but I'll call in if a number is made available.

ArizonaXJ and I will have that teleconference number posted by friday at COB before the meeting.

I put on the poll that I will go but there are a couple things that may pull me out, for now I am planning on it tho. I have the Listing on my laptop and will bring it along, I also have a projector for my laptop if we need it

We have those resources if we happen to need them at the guard. It is National Guard policy that non-guard computer assets aren't supposed to be used in many ways, so I'd have to review the policy and talk with ArizonaXJ about it offline and will post up if we do need additional supply. Thank you for the offer - we will make sure to take you up on it if needed :)

Hi all,
Sorry I didnt post on the other thread, b ut I am very interested in this. Unfortunately I will be out of town until July 12th and will not be able to make the t-con. I have volunteer Fire Dept training, am cpr certified, first aid, am an avid rappeller, Both my jeep and tow rig are set up for recovery and extraction, I also work from home and can usually be available at hours when most may not.

Please keep me in the loop.

Thanks,

Jeff
I will be compiling a meeting agenda to keep this down to organized chaos and to more effectively manage our time. I will also be a scribe at the meeting and will publish meeting minutes after the meeting which I will post up.

I agree with AZLugz. Isn't that our goal? To be more effective?

This is why I created the search and rescue group and why I have been organizing this meeting. I believe that assumptions may be running high and until we can all meet together and come to a commonality of thought in this process, that any assumptions on what we are doing or how or why may be somewhat premature.
The main idea I had was that we become more effective in being able to take care of our own. Tom Fooshee and Jessie (head of the posse operations) and I have coordinated to get a Posse Member there as a speaker. He will talk to us about how we would be able to be actually used by the MCSO and other counties in the state in an official capacity.

Look forward to seeing all of you at the meeting!! :) this should be a good time. Remember to bring water with you, as the temperatures are high. If anyone needs to contact me with questions, please call me at 602 502 4244. I will also be at Hunter's class with Ben in the morning hours. It should be a great class! :)

Again, thank you all for the avid interest. It is really a lot more response than I had anticipated, which is great! :)

[tomfooshee]

We are not formalizing ourselves as a certified search and rescue operation, we are still a group of individual citizens that will go out and do the same as we have to help others, the difference being that we are trying to have a better understanding of what we are doing and how to do it in a more effective manner. We should still fall under the good sam rules and even more so in a lawsuit situation as we have taken steps to try and better our understanding.

If you are the only person that comes up on an accident and the person is not breathing, you have never been trained but you try and do what you saw on TV and fail....the person dies....the good sam law covers you as long as you made a reasonable attempt ie. did not start cuttin holes in them to let air in !!!!!

Same situation except you are Red Cross Certified in CPR and Rescue Breathing, you do your best and the person still dies, you are still covered under Good Sam and possibly more so as it can be argued that you gave them more of a chance with the forethought of having limited training.

As for the Name, it came about in the early parts of the contact listing, we had started with calling it the Amber list as her and Ben's submarine ride were what really kicked it off, but people were worried about the confusion with the child abduction group so we changed. Changing it again is not a problem we will just have to trow some ideas on the table.

For those that don't know... J.E.E.P.

Jeep Emergency Extraction Personnel


All good points Don and good things to make us dig deep and think about what we are doing and where we are going!!

These are some of the things John & I will be presenting to you at the meeting from the Sheriff's office. Some of the do's and don'ts. Necessary Information you can provide to the Sheriff's office should the rescue turn into a real search and rescue for a lost person.

Good Sam Law. As long as you do not exceed your training you are covered. If you try something you saw on TV that is NOT training and you can be sued or charged. You have to have the persons permission to even touch them. If they are out then you can proceed as it is reasonable to assume they need help. If they say no then don't touch them until they pass out then proceed with your training.

The Sheriff's office doesn't use any outside sourses. The Deputies & Posse are trained for these instances. The Sheriff is responsible for how we perform and our training. The Sheriff in each county is responsible for all Search and Rescue operations. However this does not stop you as family and friends from helping each other and looking for some members of your family or friends should they become lost or need help. This is the area you can perform in legally. At the meeting I will go into some of the training and skills you need to be of help. John will do some law and legal and we will try to answer any questions.

[GRUNT]

"Good Samaritan Law"
We bounce this around at work all the time, do to many of our firefighters travelling/remote places most of the time on their days off (i.e.-camping,hiking,fishing, as well as what if you are at an event in the city.)

We have received quite a bit of interpretation from the city lawyers as to what this covers and does not. It seems to be on par with all the other city lawyers too. If anyone is interested I will save it for/share it at the meeting for a FYI to our members.

[AZLugz]

They do not have this law in England and a fellow serviceman stationed there performed CPR on a British woman and saved her life but then she sued him for the cost of the bra that he cut (large woman, underwire bra, in the way) and she won.......BTW, thanks for saving my life but gimme the 20 quid for the bra you ruined......... some peole in this world really amaze me

[Stickbuddy]

As I told you yesterday at Hunter's, the 29th is good for me. Count me in!

[tomfooshee]

"Good Samaritan Law"
We bounce this around at work all the time, do to many of our firefighters travelling/remote places most of the time on their days off (i.e.-camping,hiking,fishing, as well as what if you are at an event in the city.)

We have received quite a bit of interpretation from the city lawyers as to what this covers and does not. It seems to be on par with all the other city lawyers too. If anyone is interested I will save it for/share it at the meeting for a FYI to our members.

True as a "TRAINED" EMT Paramedic etc. But if you don't have your gloves or mask you don't endanger yourself or victim. This would be a good area for GRUNT to cover.

[Allen]

Looks like I have that day off. I should be free to attend!


I also have an open seat for anyone out here in QC!!

[ArizonaXJ]

The call in number for those that will want or need to teleconference in is as follows:

Dial 1-800-295-1926, when prompted, enter the mailbox number 4981.

See you all Sunday!

[wild mustang]

i am going to have to cancel out for this meeting (6-29)...brian's brother is coming into town unexpectedly and his mother wants all of us to get together for a late lunch/early dinner...of course she is on the west side of town, so there is no way i can do both...
i will watch for the next meeting, as i do want to be involved in this group...

debbi

[My Green Jeep]

Sorry guys... I am unabel to attend the meeting... send me
the minutes please and thank you!

[amber.hodge]

As for the teleconference number, I would imagine that it would be best to call in around 1:15 or so - that way you won't be listening to dead air while everyone arrives.

I have the agenda done, if anyone gets lost or needs help finding their way, please call me at 602 502 4244

[Antman]

"Not to steal your thunder Amber but the folks in attendance can carry on base. Need to remember, this is NOT a Federal installation."

I suggest you double check on carrying on a state facility too!

[BaronVonRoot]

sorry ended up haveing to work today missed everything next time..... Dan

[Allen]

sorry ended up haveing to work today missed everything next time..... Dan


Yeah, me too :(

[amber.hodge]

Just got done with family stuff. Am working on minutes and also the roster. Will have that emailed out by tomorrow evening at the latest.

Great meeting, thanks to all in attendance.

[Stickbuddy]

Yeah, I thought it was a very positive and constructive meeting. Looking forward to seeing what evolves. Thanks Amber and Jim!

[arczech]

X2

[AZDIRTJK]

Sorry we couldn't make it. Joanne was rushed to hospital for surgery. Appendix and ruptured cyst both at same time. Slow recovery is going well.

[AZLugz]

Sorry we couldn't make it. Joanne was rushed to hospital for surgery. Appendix and ruptured cyst both at same time. Slow recovery is going well.
Hope she is ok

[arczech]

Hope she is ok

X2
By the way AZlugs, the group was wandering what happened to your call?
Your input was helpful, but there was a time when you lost connection.
Have a great day
Alan and Tammy

[David C]

I think the meeting was a great start for this group. I think Tomfooshee and Hunter provided some excellent info on how the official county SAR operates and what their concerns are regarding outside help. (Thanks Tom and Hunter!) I think that info pretty much defines the scope and boundaries of our mission. Correct me if I'm wrong...

What I am seeing as our primary objective is to be fast response to an area acting as forward scouts on a mission to locate our overdue friend/family member during the time that County needs to prep and mobilize. Chances are high that we will find our subject stuck in a ditch or broken down but in good health. (I think Tom and Hunter said about 80% of the time they are canceled en route). At that point, we can save the County SAR a lot of time, effort and money. But if not found in that time frame, then we will have at least covered some areas for the County SAR using their guidelines and procedures. And at that point when they arrive, our mission will be done.

And that's gonna be the situation for us: it will be someone from the VJC or a close friend/family member that we will be looking for. Someone will post up for help and we will respond as we always have. Except now, we are going to organize, prepare and improve our ability to respond.

Great job Amber getting this up and running. And ArizonaXJ, thanks for getting use of some nice facilities!

[amber.hodge]

You are correct, David.

Okay, here are the notes - will email out in a better format (the format won't tranfer to this post) to those who provided me your email. Mine is in the minutes if anyone needs to contact me.

Virtual Jeep Club Search and Rescue
Meeting Minutes
June 29, 2008
Opening:
The regular meeting of the J.E.E.P. was called to order at 1315 on 29 June 2008 at PPMR’s Petttycrew Armory by Amber Hodge.

Present:
Sheriff’s posse members Tom and John, Stickbuddy, David C, arczech, alanntamtam, The Ben, Yelacon, Rangers_Range, mbuckner, gadget1, hvyhau8273

Summary of Points from Posse Representatives:

o There is no sheriff who will rely on outsider help once a search has been started by a posse. However, it can take several hours before a posse can be activated following a phone call to the local LEA.
o What we can do as private citizens is to give coordinates of the Point Last Seen and all routes searched when handing off information when the posse takes control. This allows them to send more people to the areas with lower probability of detection.
o What the searchers should know: Map/Compass Navigation, GPS Navigation, CPR, Carry and know usage of survival gear.
o Ensure private citizens searching have a coordinator at home, know when to call MCSO in, do NOT contaminate the area at Point Last Seen (PLS) – all searches are considered a crime scene until determined otherwise.
o If a Jeep is found but owner is nowhere to be found, local law enforcement must be IMMEDIATELY involved. Every hour after the time last seen, the search radius will increase by 1 mile in all directions. Time is crucial.
o If you are going out, let someone know where you are going, when you are going and how long you plan to be gone. Do not deviate from your plan (go wheeling in FJ instead of TM). This makes it easier for you to be found.

A. New Business

• It was determined that classes will be held at a frequency of every 6 weeks or so and that 2 separate class dates would be offered when possible. Records will be kept in order to keep track of certifications and upcoming deadlines for re-certifications in order to plan for class needs.
• Organizational meetings will occur at a frequency of once a month whenever possible.

B. Classes Determined to be Scheduled

• Search and Rescue
o Organization of Searches, Liaison/Hand-off to LEAs, and Helo usage, Helo Landing zones, Crime Scene Preservation, and other SAR resources.
o FEMA Training: All members will take the free self study courses ICS 100 and ICS 200 on their own for further search and rescue training – the website is http://training.fema.gov/IS/crslist.asp

• Medical
o CPR Certification & First Aid – this will be a class coordinated with outside resources hopefully at zero or low cost to members and will be the first class conducted. Members with current CPR or First Aid certifications can email Amber at egdohrebma@hotmail.com with current card expiration date in order to track when re-certification classes are needed.
o Wilderness First Aid – This will be among one of the upcoming classes determined by the availability of certified instructors at reasonable times and cost.

• Communications
o Relay, Operations and Establishment of proper radio communications will be the 3rd scheduled class which will be arranged through the Maricopa County Emergency Communications Organization with Gadget1 as liaison.

• Extraction and Recovery
o Trail Repairs and Clean-up, Vehicle Extraction and Recovery Classes would be able to be scheduled on an informal level at trailheads prior to wheeling and more formalized class will be offered when it cools off.
o Vehicle Stabilization and Fire Response – Co-ordinations will be made through Grunt (if possible) for subject matter expert instruction

• Wilderness Survival
o Land Navigation & Map Reading – Will be offered by ArizonaXJ in Fall of 2008.
o Wilderness preparation, and survival – this will be the second class offered and will be coordinated through Tom Fooshee to have a professor who teaches this subject at ASU be a guest instructor for the class.
o Swift water awareness – OC1 Paddler was mentioned as a suitable subject matter expert to coordinate a class with if available.
o Open Mines – detection, safety measures, and reporting procedures – This class will be coordinated through the Arizona Mine Inspectors.

C. Class Formats
o Classes will be conducted in a classroom environment followed by practical field application (Explanation, Demonstration, Practical Application) to maximize safety and learning.
o After several classes have been conducted, a “colonel blitz” class can happen in a field environment where all those skills can be tested in an outdoor class.
o It was mentioned that it would assist in ensuring everyone gets as much as possible out of classes that training outlines are done beforehand

D. Schedule for Next Classes
1) FEMA self instruction course
2) CPR/First Aid
3) Wilderness survival

E. Next Meeting
o Tentatively Scheduled for July 27, 2008 at PPMR Pettycrew Armory
o Open Issues for discussion next meeting:
a. Call-Out Procedure
b. Liaison with other groups to invite to classes and possibly get more attendance at those where instruction will need to be paid for to lower costs for all.
c. SOP (Standard Operating Procedures)/ Coordinator Checkpoints.

Adjournment:
Meeting was adjourned at 1530 by Amber Hodge. The next general meeting will be at 1400 hrs on July 27, 2008 in Brigade Conference Room at Pettycrew Armory on the Papago Military Reservation.
Minutes submitted by: Amber C. Hodge
Approved by: Awaiting approval of minutes

[amber.hodge]

I have started coordinations with Grunt to get fire department certified cpr/first aid instructors for the first class (CPR/First Aid). Will post up a separate thread with the dates and a sign up for those dates.
THERE MAY BE A SMALL FEE FOR THE CERTIFICATION.

also

SINCE THESE ARE OUTSIDE RESOURCES, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE ONLY COMMIT TO ATTENDING THEM IN THE POLLS IF WE ARE SERIOUSLY GOING TO SHOW UP.

:)

The fire fighters will not be showing up in their turn-outs - sorry ladies - I already asked....
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21508&stc=1&d=1214958492

[tomfooshee]

I think the meeting was a great start for this group. I think Tomfooshee and Hunter provided some excellent info on how the official county SAR operates and what their concerns are regarding outside help. (Thanks Tom and Hunter!) I think that info pretty much defines the scope and boundaries of our mission. Correct me if I'm wrong...

What I am seeing as our primary objective is to be fast response to an area acting as forward scouts on a mission to locate our overdue friend/family member during the time that County needs to prep and mobilize. Chances are high that we will find our subject stuck in a ditch or broken down but in good health. (I think Tom and Hunter said about 80% of the time they are canceled en route). At that point, we can save the County SAR a lot of time, effort and money. But if not found in that time frame, then we will have at least covered some areas for the County SAR using their guidelines and procedures. And at that point when they arrive, our mission will be done.

And that's gonna be the situation for us: it will be someone from the VJC or a close friend/family member that we will be looking for. Someone will post up for help and we will respond as we always have. Except now, we are going to organize, prepare and improve our ability to respond.

Great job Amber getting this up and running. And ArizonaXJ, thanks for getting use of some nice facilities!

Kind of. If a person you know went 4 wheeling and he/she told you the area they were going and what time they give you as a return time has expired and you have not heard from them that is the time you call the local sheriff's office and get a search started. Then you call the AZVJC and get the wheels rolling for the club as private citizens helping one another. Every minute is extremely valuable in Search & Rescue. The Sheriff's office doesn't mind at all to get a call saying the lost person has been located by friends or family.

If a person has broke down on the trail and he/she is ok and is waiting for parts that is different. However when someone gets there with the parts and the person is not around or checked in call the Sheriff and start the wheels rolling. Long and lat of point last seen (the empty Jeep).

[Napyhed]

Wow the more I browse this site the more I am impressed with everyone here.

[allek@t]

Im definitely interested, im not sure how it would work, unfortunately i joined the site a little too late to go to the info meeting. I think this is something that we would like to be involved in. any info you can send please do so to wikkedkitty@gmail.com

What are the requirements for k9 assisted searches? My dogs aren't trained as of yet, but we were looking into the process of training the pit for avalanche rescue in Oregon. Does anyone know anyone who trains k9 for rescue?

[rangers_range]

Check with MCSO K-9 posse. The next meeting for J.E.E.P. is Jul 27.

[allek@t]

Cool thanks!

[gadget1]

Is Meeting still happening this sun?

[tomfooshee]

Check with MCSO K-9 posse. The next meeting for J.E.E.P. is Jul 27.

MCSO K9 posse is the MARC9 posse www.mcso.org

[Stickbuddy]

Check with MCSO K-9 posse. The next meeting for J.E.E.P. is Jul 27.

Is this firm? I pm'd Amber to confirm on time and location but have not heard back from her. If it's still on I'm there, if not I may run Coffee Pot with Samdog.