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76855 From: Duffy Ladd <dladd5@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:45pm
Subject: Who make the quater circle speaker mounts for the roll bar corners
> Help everyone. Can someone on this list tell me who make the speaker pods
> that are basically the shape of a quater circle that mount overhead in the
> corner of the roll bar where the main hoop and the side bars meet? I'n not
> looking for a sound bar just the individual pods that mount in the corners
> overhead!
>
> Thanks,
> Duffy
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76856 From: <AZICE626@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:07pm
Subject: Additional Axle Info
got some measurements today.....so for the folks that are interested in the D44/D60 axles: Backing plate to backing plate: 50.5"......outside of spring perch to outside of perch: 40". D60 axles have 35 spline Strange Eng. Axles.....any other questions, give me a call at 480.325.5401....tj
76857 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:14pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, February 1, 2003
Hello All,
Scott Grigsby is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, February 1, 2003.
When: Sat. Feb 1
Where: Miners revenge trail
Rating: None
Length: 8 hours
CB Channel: 4
We are going run Miners revenge, dont know what diection yet. I have the Welder for when we break and I hope we have some spare axles too. I have to run this trail before when we went up the waterfall but I have learned that going down the waterfall is another way.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
76858 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:23pm
Subject: trail info
Hey thanks for the info. that second trail you were talking about,
that you said they bulldozed, you might be able to make it up if you
have lockers. The bulldozing that I saw was fresh and very very
loose. You might make it up if you have the nerve. I figure after a
couple rains it might pack down enough to get traction. I love to
see somebody try it!!!!!!!!
That may be the exit (or entrance) trail at US60. Reymert itself is
in a
canyon off a wash road, on the west side/slope of the
hills/mountains. The
quickest way there is to take Mineral Mountain Road (off of US 60 -
east of
FJ). Head south on MM, and when you drop down a small hill and get
to the
first cattle guard (I think it's the first), by a large mesquite
tree,
you'll need to head left (easterly) into a wash. The wash is the old
Reymert
Rd. Follow that wash/road a ways, and keep an eye on the right for a
stone
masonry embankment...wish supports the road turn off to Reymert. You
have to
make a 120* turn up the road and you'll see what's left....remnants
of a
brick masonry mill. There are a number of claim stakes around, and
some
foundations of buildings, but that's about it. Makes for a nice
lunch spot,
though.
To get to where your talking about (before it was apparently
blocked), you
go back to the wash and continue up, and you'll come to a steep hill
and a
saddle. When I was there a couple of years ago, you could see how
they tried
to block the road, but it was no biggie to go up over the berm. The
main
mining area is on the other side (eastern side) of the saddle.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <john6612@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> I think were on the same page here. The entrence I am talking about
> is on the right hand side of the road East of Gonzales pass. There
> is a windmill at the turn off.
> John Greenawalt
>
>
>
> There are some claims around Reymert, but no active mining. The
more
> recent
> mining activity is on the other side of the mountain to the east.
>
> At Reymert, the remnants of the mill are there, but that's about
it.
> Last
> time I was there (2-3 yrs ago or so), it was readily accessible,
but
> you can
> drive right by it if you're not looking.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" <bill@j...>
> To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Sandee McCullen"
> <mccullen@c...>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] trail info
>
>
> > I just did some quick checking and I didn't realize there was a
> ghost town
> > there years ago. Sounds like they bulldozed most of it in the
70's
> but
> there
> > may be a building partially left. If it's open it would be fun to
> go check
> > it out and take pictures.
> >
> > http://www.swlink.net/~pjcat/ghost.html
> >
> > Thanks for checking into it Sandee.
> >
> > ---------------
> > Bill Hooven
> > Jeeps Only
> > http://www.jeepsonly.com
> > A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> > To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] trail info
> >
> >
> > > The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of
> years.
> At
> > > one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since
> disappeared.
> Re
> > > the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining
> again.......... I'm
> > not
> > > sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they
> miner
> does
> > > have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see
> what the
> > > status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal
> with Tucson
> > and
> > > these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the
> facts"
> > > either!
> > >
> > > Sandee
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with
> the
> > > > mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales
pass
> in
> > > > Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now
> there
> > > > is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into
> there. Does
> > > > anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> > > > trespassing on there property.
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76859 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:33pm
Subject: RE: Additional Axle Info
How about measurements from WMS to WMS?
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: AZICE626@aol.com [mailto:AZICE626@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:07 PM
To: AZ_VJC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Additional Axle Info
got some measurements today.....so for the folks that are interested in the D44/D60 axles: Backing plate to backing plate: 50.5"......outside of spring perch to outside of perch: 40". D60 axles have 35 spline Strange Eng. Axles.....any other questions, give me a call at 480.325.5401....tj
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76860 From: az_squarelights <squarelights@h...> <squarelights@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:32pm
Subject: PAINT a jeep...Who can do it?
i have a zj that needs to be painted. does anyone in the club do it
or can recommend a good inexpensive shop? thanks.
please email me off list.
nick l.
76861 From: TODD MCCULLEN <desertfab@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:50pm
Subject: 3/4 elip. suspension
If a 3/4 elip. suspension is set up proper, it works great!
Todd
www.desertfab.com
76862 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:54pm
Subject: RE: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
Does this happen when you apply breaks? (if so bleed your brakes all
around)
Does it happen when your slowing down, and entering the middle (suicide)
lane, and when your tire hits the painted lines it weaves? (If so, check
your bakes as well, AND tire pressure.
What size/type tire do you have? In my experience <-- (disclaimer) vehicles
with 33"+ tires tend to follow ruts, and grooves on the highway... The
above should help prevent, or help this situation..
Good Luck,
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: onebdjeep [mailto:onebdjeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:47 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; warm_arizona@y...
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
yea... that's what im talkin about. she just seems to follow the road where
ever the ruts are. its like a conversation with my wife... starts off with
jeeps but ends up with cosmetics. blows me away!!!
thx!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
Don't squat with yer spurs on!
----- Original Message -----
From: <warm_arizona@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
> I have found my other <non-Jeep> vehicle following the
> longitudinal "rain grooves" that are sometimes found in freeway
> concrete. I have attributed it to extremely non-agressive tire
> tread. The tread on my truck tires is almost straight through and I
> think just tracks the grooves in the road (which are not nearly
> linear).
>
> I don't know if these are the type of ruts you are referring to, but
> my $0.02.
>
> Greg
> 90YJ
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> > good questions.. suspension is stock and the tires are 285's that
> were put on by the dealership before i even saw her. street tires...
> looks like a wussy jeep... but i have big plans!!
> >
> >
> > Sean Speer
> > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: FredTJ
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> >
> >
> > What mods do you have on your Jeep, over pure stock ??
> > What tires (size) and wheels (size and backspacing) ??
> > Any lift ??
> > etc.
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: onebdjeep
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:49 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> >
> >
> > Ok... so some may have figured out that i am not the smartest
> person in the world... my wife tells that i am in fact smart... i
> just lack common sense. (is that supposed to make me feel better?)
> >
> > Question #1:
> > I have soft upper doors on my TJ and the zippers realy suck. we
> had some unexpected bills and now i can't get a new soft top. Does
> anyone know how to fix these damn zippers or should i just glue the
> little ****s and be done with it till i can afford the new top?
> >
> > Question #2:
> > Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel
> free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut
> in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76
> CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going
> straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at
> 45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else
> experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i
> feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence...
> ( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
> >
> > thx to all! y'all make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!
> >
> >
> > Sean Speer
> > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> >
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76863 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:59pm
Subject: Fw:
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:02 PM
To: Stu Olson; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
Stu,
You are right it is off center but if you drill the pad and put a clamp around the spring and bolt it down it works just fine.---- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:50 PM
To: ettrans@msn.com
Subject: FW: [az_vjc]
Edward,
How did you manage to get the front springs to fit properly on the rear spring pads? The coil size is not the same.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:27 PM
To: Edward Timmsen; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
So if I put my 4" front springs in back I should get 7" and then I'll need f150 springs for the front to match?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: Michael Beckham ; az_vjc
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
Hey Michael,
You end up with 3 in. of lift. I had this on my jeep from 97 till 01 road great. I made a 3 in. spacer for the front, with correct shocks it'll ramp about 950. The f-r springs rate is almost the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc]
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
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76864 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 9:17pm
Subject: Arizona Wilderness Coalition
Guys:
You might take a look at this site.
http://www.azwild.org/index.shtml
They are going to "save" Arizona from:
"The population of Arizona has tripled since 1970. The once open
areas that connected our wildlands are filling-in with development.
Dirt bikes and other off-road vehicles are probing deeper and deeper
into our wild places, tearing up the landscape and endangered
wildlife and native vegetation. In addition to sprawling development
and off-road vehicles, mining, logging, drilling and road-building
continue to threaten Arizona's amazing wildlands."
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
76865 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 10:22pm
Subject: RE: PAINT a jeep...Who can do it?
Miracle Auto Body. Decent job at a nice price.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: az_squarelights <squarelights@h...>
[mailto:squarelights@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] PAINT a jeep...Who can do it?
i have a zj that needs to be painted. does anyone in the club do it
or can recommend a good inexpensive shop? thanks.
please email me off list.
nick l.
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76866 From: jeeper210420 <mtbjumper210@a...> <mtbjumper210@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 10:43pm
Subject: 89 wrangler engine swap
Does anyone have a 5.0 ford in a wrangler out there. Can you tell me
price you payed to do so. Or what would be my best option to swap in.
76867 From: Mike Golden <mgolden@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:33am
Subject: Re: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine..
How's your ball joints? If they're worn, it'll cause this. Jack up the
front and see if you can wiggle the top of the tire in and out.
Mike
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, onebdjeep wrote:
> yea... that's what im talkin about. she just seems to follow the road where
> ever the ruts are. its like a conversation with my wife... starts off with
> jeeps but ends up with cosmetics. blows me away!!!
>
> thx!
>
>
> Sean Speer
> OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> Don't squat with yer spurs on!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <warm_arizona@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:35 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
>
>
> > I have found my other <non-Jeep> vehicle following the
> > longitudinal "rain grooves" that are sometimes found in freeway
> > concrete. I have attributed it to extremely non-agressive tire
> > tread. The tread on my truck tires is almost straight through and I
> > think just tracks the grooves in the road (which are not nearly
> > linear).
> >
> > I don't know if these are the type of ruts you are referring to, but
> > my $0.02.
> >
> > Greg
> > 90YJ
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> > > good questions.. suspension is stock and the tires are 285's that
> > were put on by the dealership before i even saw her. street tires...
> > looks like a wussy jeep... but i have big plans!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Sean Speer
> > > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: FredTJ
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> > >
> > >
> > > What mods do you have on your Jeep, over pure stock ??
> > > What tires (size) and wheels (size and backspacing) ??
> > > Any lift ??
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: onebdjeep
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:49 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok... so some may have figured out that i am not the smartest
> > person in the world... my wife tells that i am in fact smart... i
> > just lack common sense. (is that supposed to make me feel better?)
> > >
> > > Question #1:
> > > I have soft upper doors on my TJ and the zippers realy suck. we
> > had some unexpected bills and now i can't get a new soft top. Does
> > anyone know how to fix these damn zippers or should i just glue the
> > little ****s and be done with it till i can afford the new top?
> > >
> > > Question #2:
> > > Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel
> > free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut
> > in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76
> > CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going
> > straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at
> > 45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else
> > experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i
> > feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence...
> > ( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
> > >
> > > thx to all! y'all make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!
> > >
> > >
> > > Sean Speer
> > > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> > >
> > >
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76868 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 3:50am
Subject: RE: PAINT a jeep...Who can do it?
Don't forget our local! Arizona Trailwerks. Talk to Brian, tell him your
with the azvjc for GREAT deals. Their located off of I-17 and Thomas, just
west of I-17. Their phone number is 602.254.1551.
Excellent work! Highly recommended.
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Meyer [mailto:steve.j.meyer@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:23 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; squarelights@h...
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] PAINT a jeep...Who can do it?
Miracle Auto Body. Decent job at a nice price.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: az_squarelights <squarelights@h...>
[mailto:squarelights@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] PAINT a jeep...Who can do it?
i have a zj that needs to be painted. does anyone in the club do it
or can recommend a good inexpensive shop? thanks.
please email me off list.
nick l.
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76869 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 4:41am
Subject: Re: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine..
now that i've tried... i have a death wobble too and that was one of the
first things i tried. there is not play when i wiggle the tire side to side
or top to bottom.
thx!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
Don't squat with yer spurs on!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Golden" <mgolden@c...>
To: "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <warm_arizona@y...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: not the smartest grape on the vine..
> How's your ball joints? If they're worn, it'll cause this. Jack up the
> front and see if you can wiggle the top of the tire in and out.
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, onebdjeep wrote:
>
> > yea... that's what im talkin about. she just seems to follow the road
where
> > ever the ruts are. its like a conversation with my wife... starts off
with
> > jeeps but ends up with cosmetics. blows me away!!!
> >
> > thx!
> >
> >
> > Sean Speer
> > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <warm_arizona@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:35 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
> >
> >
> > > I have found my other <non-Jeep> vehicle following the
> > > longitudinal "rain grooves" that are sometimes found in freeway
> > > concrete. I have attributed it to extremely non-agressive tire
> > > tread. The tread on my truck tires is almost straight through and I
> > > think just tracks the grooves in the road (which are not nearly
> > > linear).
> > >
> > > I don't know if these are the type of ruts you are referring to, but
> > > my $0.02.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > > 90YJ
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> > > > good questions.. suspension is stock and the tires are 285's that
> > > were put on by the dealership before i even saw her. street tires...
> > > looks like a wussy jeep... but i have big plans!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sean Speer
> > > > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > > > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > > > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > > > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: FredTJ
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What mods do you have on your Jeep, over pure stock ??
> > > > What tires (size) and wheels (size and backspacing) ??
> > > > Any lift ??
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: onebdjeep
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:49 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok... so some may have figured out that i am not the smartest
> > > person in the world... my wife tells that i am in fact smart... i
> > > just lack common sense. (is that supposed to make me feel better?)
> > > >
> > > > Question #1:
> > > > I have soft upper doors on my TJ and the zippers realy suck. we
> > > had some unexpected bills and now i can't get a new soft top. Does
> > > anyone know how to fix these damn zippers or should i just glue the
> > > little ****s and be done with it till i can afford the new top?
> > > >
> > > > Question #2:
> > > > Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel
> > > free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut
> > > in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76
> > > CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going
> > > straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at
> > > 45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else
> > > experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i
> > > feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence...
> > > ( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
> > > >
> > > > thx to all! y'all make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sean Speer
> > > > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > > > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > > > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > > > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > > Service.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > > Service.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
>
76870 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:11am
Subject: [FS] Vendor Items Added
Hello Members of the AzVJC,
[Enter Vendor Name] has just added some items to the Classified section of the AzVJC Website that may be of interest to you. To see these items Click Here or goto the website classifieds and select 'Vendor' from the list.
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
76871 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:14am
Subject: [FS] 1984 grand wagoneer
Price: $1000
Contact: chris 480-941-3469
white,360 v8,ac,ps,pb,auto trans,body is in good condition no rust eng runs but needs work
76872 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:16am
Subject: [FS] Vendor Items Added
Hello Members of the AzVJC,
[Enter Vendor Name] has just added some items to the Classified section of the AzVJC Website that may be of interest to you. To see these items Click Here or goto the website classifieds and select 'Vendor' from the list.
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
76873 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:20am
Subject: Re: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, February 1, 2003
Scott,
Why not join us for the Sycamore Clean up instead of going on this run?
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:14 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, February 1, 2003
Hello All,
Scott Grigsby is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, February 1, 2003.
When: Sat. Feb 1
Where: Miners revenge trail
Rating: None
Length: 8 hours
CB Channel: 4
We are going run Miners revenge, dont know what diection yet. I have the Welder for when we break and I hope we have some spare axles too. I have to run this trail before when we went up the waterfall but I have learned that going down the waterfall is another way.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
76874 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:35am
Subject: [FS] Warn 8274 winch
Price: 900 OBO
Contact: Bob
Like new Warn 8274 with Warn factory CJ mount plate,
new heavy duty extended battery cables, roller lead,
remote and cover. r.nyberg@worldnet.att.net
Bob Nyberg
76875 From: Tom Jacobson <tjacobson@t...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:43am
Subject: Re: [FS] Needing a Good 258 Motor
I didn't go into the classifieds to see who posted this, hopefully you're reading the messages.
Anyway, contact Shannon Campbell (Campbell Enterprises). He just did a 350 Vortech swap into a YJ that had a 258. The guy apparently didn't want the old motor, so left it with Shannon. I'm unsure as to the real condidiotn of it, but might be worth a check.
Tom
Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:11:48 (GMT)
From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Subject: [FS] Needing A Good 258 Motor
76876 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:52am
Subject: [FS] 2 Rubicon Express 4.5 front coils
Price: $90 pair
Contact: coxy8@yahoo.com
I have two 4.5 inch Rubicon Express springs for the front. This was part of my RE 4.5 superflex kit. They are about 2 years old. I set them up to the new ones that I got and they were still the same size. They didn't seem to sag at all. I believe the new ones go for $170.
Thanks,
Jeff Cox
Jeff Cox
76877 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:22am
Subject: Hikers May Disturb Nesting Owls
The governing board of the Society for Conservation Biology
(http://www.conbio.org/), publishers of the journal 'Conservation
Biology", contains many names and organizations affiliated with the
Wildlands Project.
If anyone harbors doubts about the Wildlands Project's impact on
motorized recreation and its intent for all recreation activities,
pay close attention to this article.
Hikers, once the "no-impact form of recreation", are being targeted
as a disturbance factor of endangered/threatened species.
Also note that Swarthout and Steidl's work is being used to help
establish recreational guidelines around Mexican spotted owl
territories on federal lands in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah.
*******************************************
Hikers May Disturb Nesting Owls
TUCSON, Arizona, January 28, 2003 (ENS) - Low impact outdoor
activities, like hiking, can still have impacts, including scaring
nesting owls off their nests, a new study shows.
The study suggests that hikers visiting some of the canyons where
Mexican spotted owls breed can disrupt the owls' behavior in ways
that might harm their young.
"We suggest that restrictions on hiking intensity should be
considered for canyons with high levels of human activity," write the
authors. Elliott Swarthout, who did this work while at the University
of Arizona in Tucson and is now at the Cornell Laboratory of
Ornithology in Ithaca, New York, and Robert Steidl of the University
of Arizona, report their findings in the February issue of the
journal "Conservation Biology."
The threatened Mexican spotted owl lives in coniferous forests in the
southwest U.S. and Mexico. In Utah, the birds nest, roost and hunt
almost always in steep, narrow canyons. Hiking and other recreational
activities along the canyon bottoms are highest from March to
October, which overlaps with the owls' breeding season.
To see if hiking affects the owls, Swarthout and Steidl studied 10
nests during the breeding season in Utah's Canyonlands and Capitol
Reef National Parks, which had between 400,000 and 650,000 visitors
per year during the two-year study period.
The nests were 36 to 223 feet above the canyon bottoms, and the
researchers observed the owls during a series of experimental "hiking
treatments," in which a hiker passed under a given nest every 15
minutes for four hours during three time periods: early morning,
mid-day and evening.
Swarthout and Steidl found that hiking affected the female owls the
most. The disturbed females spent almost 60 percent less time on prey
handling activities such as feeding their young, and a third less
time on daytime maintenance activities such as tending the nest, and
preening themselves and their young. Preening is important to birds'
health in part because it reduces parasites.
Because female Mexican spotted owls provide almost all of the
parental care, these behavioral changes could harm their young. Fewer
than a third of the young survive in the best of circumstances, and
getting less food and other kinds of care could make them even more
vulnerable.
The experimental hiking level in this study is higher than the actual
hiking levels in most of southern Utah's canyons. However, several of
the canyons where the owls live have more than 50 visitors per day,
which is close to the experimental hiking level.
In such areas, the researchers recommend protecting owl habitat
during the late March to early June nesting season by limiting hiking
or establishing buffers around nest sites. The researchers had
previously found that 95 percent of owls were not flushed when hikers
stayed about 80 feet away.
However, many canyons are so narrow that buffers of this size would
preclude hiking in them.
Swarthout and Steidl's work is being used to help establish
recreational guidelines around Mexican spotted owl territories on
federal lands in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah.
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
76878 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:26am
Subject: Nesting Owls get over it
The animal kingdom is quite adaptive. Mouth foaming environmentalists are
not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Stewart" <landuse@u...>
To: <Recipient List Suppressed:>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:22 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Hikers May Disturb Nesting Owls
> The governing board of the Society for Conservation Biology
> (http://www.conbio.org/), publishers of the journal 'Conservation
> Biology", contains many names and organizations affiliated with the
> Wildlands Project.
>
> If anyone harbors doubts about the Wildlands Project's impact on
> motorized recreation and its intent for all recreation activities,
> pay close attention to this article.
>
> Hikers, once the "no-impact form of recreation", are being targeted
> as a disturbance factor of endangered/threatened species.
>
> Also note that Swarthout and Steidl's work is being used to help
> establish recreational guidelines around Mexican spotted owl
> territories on federal lands in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah.
>
> *******************************************
>
> Hikers May Disturb Nesting Owls
> TUCSON, Arizona, January 28, 2003 (ENS) - Low impact outdoor
> activities, like hiking, can still have impacts, including scaring
> nesting owls off their nests, a new study shows.
>
> The study suggests that hikers visiting some of the canyons where
> Mexican spotted owls breed can disrupt the owls' behavior in ways
> that might harm their young.
>
> "We suggest that restrictions on hiking intensity should be
> considered for canyons with high levels of human activity," write the
> authors. Elliott Swarthout, who did this work while at the University
> of Arizona in Tucson and is now at the Cornell Laboratory of
> Ornithology in Ithaca, New York, and Robert Steidl of the University
> of Arizona, report their findings in the February issue of the
> journal "Conservation Biology."
>
> The threatened Mexican spotted owl lives in coniferous forests in the
> southwest U.S. and Mexico. In Utah, the birds nest, roost and hunt
> almost always in steep, narrow canyons. Hiking and other recreational
> activities along the canyon bottoms are highest from March to
> October, which overlaps with the owls' breeding season.
>
> To see if hiking affects the owls, Swarthout and Steidl studied 10
> nests during the breeding season in Utah's Canyonlands and Capitol
> Reef National Parks, which had between 400,000 and 650,000 visitors
> per year during the two-year study period.
>
> The nests were 36 to 223 feet above the canyon bottoms, and the
> researchers observed the owls during a series of experimental "hiking
> treatments," in which a hiker passed under a given nest every 15
> minutes for four hours during three time periods: early morning,
> mid-day and evening.
>
> Swarthout and Steidl found that hiking affected the female owls the
> most. The disturbed females spent almost 60 percent less time on prey
> handling activities such as feeding their young, and a third less
> time on daytime maintenance activities such as tending the nest, and
> preening themselves and their young. Preening is important to birds'
> health in part because it reduces parasites.
>
> Because female Mexican spotted owls provide almost all of the
> parental care, these behavioral changes could harm their young. Fewer
> than a third of the young survive in the best of circumstances, and
> getting less food and other kinds of care could make them even more
> vulnerable.
>
> The experimental hiking level in this study is higher than the actual
> hiking levels in most of southern Utah's canyons. However, several of
> the canyons where the owls live have more than 50 visitors per day,
> which is close to the experimental hiking level.
>
> In such areas, the researchers recommend protecting owl habitat
> during the late March to early June nesting season by limiting hiking
> or establishing buffers around nest sites. The researchers had
> previously found that 95 percent of owls were not flushed when hikers
> stayed about 80 feet away.
>
> However, many canyons are so narrow that buffers of this size would
> preclude hiking in them.
>
> Swarthout and Steidl's work is being used to help establish
> recreational guidelines around Mexican spotted owl territories on
> federal lands in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah.
> --
> John Stewart
> Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
> Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
> Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
> Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
76879 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:11am
Subject: Re: Nesting Owls get over it
Christ, I hope that ostriches never get loose and
start breeding in the wilds of the High Sonoran Desert.
Where would be then? =/
At 08:26 AM 1/29/03 -0700, you wrote:
>The animal kingdom is quite adaptive. Mouth foaming environmentalists are
>not.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Stewart" <landuse@u...>
>To: <Recipient List Suppressed:>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:22 AM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Hikers May Disturb Nesting Owls
>
>
>> The governing board of the Society for Conservation Biology
>> (http://www.conbio.org/), publishers of the journal 'Conservation
>> Biology", contains many names and organizations affiliated with the
>> Wildlands Project.
>>
>> If anyone harbors doubts about the Wildlands Project's impact on
>> motorized recreation and its intent for all recreation activities,
>> pay close attention to this article.
>>
>> Hikers, once the "no-impact form of recreation", are being targeted
>> as a disturbance factor of endangered/threatened species.
>>
>> Also note that Swarthout and Steidl's work is being used to help
>> establish recreational guidelines around Mexican spotted owl
>> territories on federal lands in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah.
>>
>> *******************************************
>>
>> Hikers May Disturb Nesting Owls
>> TUCSON, Arizona, January 28, 2003 (ENS) - Low impact outdoor
>> activities, like hiking, can still have impacts, including scaring
>> nesting owls off their nests, a new study shows.
>>
>> The study suggests that hikers visiting some of the canyons where
>> Mexican spotted owls breed can disrupt the owls' behavior in ways
>> that might harm their young.
>>
>> "We suggest that restrictions on hiking intensity should be
>> considered for canyons with high levels of human activity," write the
>> authors. Elliott Swarthout, who did this work while at the University
>> of Arizona in Tucson and is now at the Cornell Laboratory of
>> Ornithology in Ithaca, New York, and Robert Steidl of the University
>> of Arizona, report their findings in the February issue of the
>> journal "Conservation Biology."
>>
>> The threatened Mexican spotted owl lives in coniferous forests in the
>> southwest U.S. and Mexico. In Utah, the birds nest, roost and hunt
>> almost always in steep, narrow canyons. Hiking and other recreational
>> activities along the canyon bottoms are highest from March to
>> October, which overlaps with the owls' breeding season.
>>
>> To see if hiking affects the owls, Swarthout and Steidl studied 10
>> nests during the breeding season in Utah's Canyonlands and Capitol
>> Reef National Parks, which had between 400,000 and 650,000 visitors
>> per year during the two-year study period.
>>
>> The nests were 36 to 223 feet above the canyon bottoms, and the
>> researchers observed the owls during a series of experimental "hiking
>> treatments," in which a hiker passed under a given nest every 15
>> minutes for four hours during three time periods: early morning,
>> mid-day and evening.
>>
>> Swarthout and Steidl found that hiking affected the female owls the
>> most. The disturbed females spent almost 60 percent less time on prey
>> handling activities such as feeding their young, and a third less
>> time on daytime maintenance activities such as tending the nest, and
>> preening themselves and their young. Preening is important to birds'
>> health in part because it reduces parasites.
>>
>> Because female Mexican spotted owls provide almost all of the
>> parental care, these behavioral changes could harm their young. Fewer
>> than a third of the young survive in the best of circumstances, and
>> getting less food and other kinds of care could make them even more
>> vulnerable.
>>
>> The experimental hiking level in this study is higher than the actual
>> hiking levels in most of southern Utah's canyons. However, several of
>> the canyons where the owls live have more than 50 visitors per day,
>> which is close to the experimental hiking level.
>>
>> In such areas, the researchers recommend protecting owl habitat
>> during the late March to early June nesting season by limiting hiking
>> or establishing buffers around nest sites. The researchers had
>> previously found that 95 percent of owls were not flushed when hikers
>> stayed about 80 feet away.
>>
>> However, many canyons are so narrow that buffers of this size would
>> preclude hiking in them.
>>
>> Swarthout and Steidl's work is being used to help establish
>> recreational guidelines around Mexican spotted owl territories on
>> federal lands in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah.
>> --
>> John Stewart
>> Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
>> Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
>> Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
>> Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
76855 From: Duffy Ladd <dladd5@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:45pm
Subject: Who make the quater circle speaker mounts for the roll bar corners
> Help everyone. Can someone on this list tell me who make the speaker pods
> that are basically the shape of a quater circle that mount overhead in the
> corner of the roll bar where the main hoop and the side bars meet? I'n not
> looking for a sound bar just the individual pods that mount in the corners
> overhead!
>
> Thanks,
> Duffy
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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76856 From: <AZICE626@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:07pm
Subject: Additional Axle Info
got some measurements today.....so for the folks that are interested in the D44/D60 axles: Backing plate to backing plate: 50.5"......outside of spring perch to outside of perch: 40". D60 axles have 35 spline Strange Eng. Axles.....any other questions, give me a call at 480.325.5401....tj
76857 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:14pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, February 1, 2003
Hello All,
Scott Grigsby is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, February 1, 2003.
When: Sat. Feb 1
Where: Miners revenge trail
Rating: None
Length: 8 hours
CB Channel: 4
We are going run Miners revenge, dont know what diection yet. I have the Welder for when we break and I hope we have some spare axles too. I have to run this trail before when we went up the waterfall but I have learned that going down the waterfall is another way.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
76858 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:23pm
Subject: trail info
Hey thanks for the info. that second trail you were talking about,
that you said they bulldozed, you might be able to make it up if you
have lockers. The bulldozing that I saw was fresh and very very
loose. You might make it up if you have the nerve. I figure after a
couple rains it might pack down enough to get traction. I love to
see somebody try it!!!!!!!!
That may be the exit (or entrance) trail at US60. Reymert itself is
in a
canyon off a wash road, on the west side/slope of the
hills/mountains. The
quickest way there is to take Mineral Mountain Road (off of US 60 -
east of
FJ). Head south on MM, and when you drop down a small hill and get
to the
first cattle guard (I think it's the first), by a large mesquite
tree,
you'll need to head left (easterly) into a wash. The wash is the old
Reymert
Rd. Follow that wash/road a ways, and keep an eye on the right for a
stone
masonry embankment...wish supports the road turn off to Reymert. You
have to
make a 120* turn up the road and you'll see what's left....remnants
of a
brick masonry mill. There are a number of claim stakes around, and
some
foundations of buildings, but that's about it. Makes for a nice
lunch spot,
though.
To get to where your talking about (before it was apparently
blocked), you
go back to the wash and continue up, and you'll come to a steep hill
and a
saddle. When I was there a couple of years ago, you could see how
they tried
to block the road, but it was no biggie to go up over the berm. The
main
mining area is on the other side (eastern side) of the saddle.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <john6612@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> I think were on the same page here. The entrence I am talking about
> is on the right hand side of the road East of Gonzales pass. There
> is a windmill at the turn off.
> John Greenawalt
>
>
>
> There are some claims around Reymert, but no active mining. The
more
> recent
> mining activity is on the other side of the mountain to the east.
>
> At Reymert, the remnants of the mill are there, but that's about
it.
> Last
> time I was there (2-3 yrs ago or so), it was readily accessible,
but
> you can
> drive right by it if you're not looking.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" <bill@j...>
> To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Sandee McCullen"
> <mccullen@c...>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] trail info
>
>
> > I just did some quick checking and I didn't realize there was a
> ghost town
> > there years ago. Sounds like they bulldozed most of it in the
70's
> but
> there
> > may be a building partially left. If it's open it would be fun to
> go check
> > it out and take pictures.
> >
> > http://www.swlink.net/~pjcat/ghost.html
> >
> > Thanks for checking into it Sandee.
> >
> > ---------------
> > Bill Hooven
> > Jeeps Only
> > http://www.jeepsonly.com
> > A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> > To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] trail info
> >
> >
> > > The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of
> years.
> At
> > > one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since
> disappeared.
> Re
> > > the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining
> again.......... I'm
> > not
> > > sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they
> miner
> does
> > > have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see
> what the
> > > status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal
> with Tucson
> > and
> > > these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the
> facts"
> > > either!
> > >
> > > Sandee
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
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pass
> in
> > > > Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now
> there
> > > > is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into
> there. Does
> > > > anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> > > > trespassing on there property.
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76859 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:33pm
Subject: RE: Additional Axle Info
How about measurements from WMS to WMS?
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: AZICE626@aol.com [mailto:AZICE626@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:07 PM
To: AZ_VJC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Additional Axle Info
got some measurements today.....so for the folks that are interested in the D44/D60 axles: Backing plate to backing plate: 50.5"......outside of spring perch to outside of perch: 40". D60 axles have 35 spline Strange Eng. Axles.....any other questions, give me a call at 480.325.5401....tj
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76860 From: az_squarelights <squarelights@h...> <squarelights@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:32pm
Subject: PAINT a jeep...Who can do it?
i have a zj that needs to be painted. does anyone in the club do it
or can recommend a good inexpensive shop? thanks.
please email me off list.
nick l.
76861 From: TODD MCCULLEN <desertfab@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:50pm
Subject: 3/4 elip. suspension
If a 3/4 elip. suspension is set up proper, it works great!
Todd
www.desertfab.com
76862 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:54pm
Subject: RE: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
Does this happen when you apply breaks? (if so bleed your brakes all
around)
Does it happen when your slowing down, and entering the middle (suicide)
lane, and when your tire hits the painted lines it weaves? (If so, check
your bakes as well, AND tire pressure.
What size/type tire do you have? In my experience <-- (disclaimer) vehicles
with 33"+ tires tend to follow ruts, and grooves on the highway... The
above should help prevent, or help this situation..
Good Luck,
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: onebdjeep [mailto:onebdjeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:47 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; warm_arizona@y...
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
yea... that's what im talkin about. she just seems to follow the road where
ever the ruts are. its like a conversation with my wife... starts off with
jeeps but ends up with cosmetics. blows me away!!!
thx!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
Don't squat with yer spurs on!
----- Original Message -----
From: <warm_arizona@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
> I have found my other <non-Jeep> vehicle following the
> longitudinal "rain grooves" that are sometimes found in freeway
> concrete. I have attributed it to extremely non-agressive tire
> tread. The tread on my truck tires is almost straight through and I
> think just tracks the grooves in the road (which are not nearly
> linear).
>
> I don't know if these are the type of ruts you are referring to, but
> my $0.02.
>
> Greg
> 90YJ
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> > good questions.. suspension is stock and the tires are 285's that
> were put on by the dealership before i even saw her. street tires...
> looks like a wussy jeep... but i have big plans!!
> >
> >
> > Sean Speer
> > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: FredTJ
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> >
> >
> > What mods do you have on your Jeep, over pure stock ??
> > What tires (size) and wheels (size and backspacing) ??
> > Any lift ??
> > etc.
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: onebdjeep
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:49 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> >
> >
> > Ok... so some may have figured out that i am not the smartest
> person in the world... my wife tells that i am in fact smart... i
> just lack common sense. (is that supposed to make me feel better?)
> >
> > Question #1:
> > I have soft upper doors on my TJ and the zippers realy suck. we
> had some unexpected bills and now i can't get a new soft top. Does
> anyone know how to fix these damn zippers or should i just glue the
> little ****s and be done with it till i can afford the new top?
> >
> > Question #2:
> > Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel
> free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut
> in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76
> CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going
> straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at
> 45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else
> experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i
> feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence...
> ( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
> >
> > thx to all! y'all make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!
> >
> >
> > Sean Speer
> > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> >
> >
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76863 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:59pm
Subject: Fw:
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:02 PM
To: Stu Olson; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
Stu,
You are right it is off center but if you drill the pad and put a clamp around the spring and bolt it down it works just fine.---- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:50 PM
To: ettrans@msn.com
Subject: FW: [az_vjc]
Edward,
How did you manage to get the front springs to fit properly on the rear spring pads? The coil size is not the same.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:27 PM
To: Edward Timmsen; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
So if I put my 4" front springs in back I should get 7" and then I'll need f150 springs for the front to match?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: Michael Beckham ; az_vjc
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
Hey Michael,
You end up with 3 in. of lift. I had this on my jeep from 97 till 01 road great. I made a 3 in. spacer for the front, with correct shocks it'll ramp about 950. The f-r springs rate is almost the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc]
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
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76864 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 9:17pm
Subject: Arizona Wilderness Coalition
Guys:
You might take a look at this site.
http://www.azwild.org/index.shtml
They are going to "save" Arizona from:
"The population of Arizona has tripled since 1970. The once open
areas that connected our wildlands are filling-in with development.
Dirt bikes and other off-road vehicles are probing deeper and deeper
into our wild places, tearing up the landscape and endangered
wildlife and native vegetation. In addition to sprawling development
and off-road vehicles, mining, logging, drilling and road-building
continue to threaten Arizona's amazing wildlands."
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
76865 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 10:22pm
Subject: RE: PAINT a jeep...Who can do it?
Miracle Auto Body. Decent job at a nice price.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: az_squarelights <squarelights@h...>
[mailto:squarelights@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] PAINT a jeep...Who can do it?
i have a zj that needs to be painted. does anyone in the club do it
or can recommend a good inexpensive shop? thanks.
please email me off list.
nick l.
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76866 From: jeeper210420 <mtbjumper210@a...> <mtbjumper210@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 10:43pm
Subject: 89 wrangler engine swap
Does anyone have a 5.0 ford in a wrangler out there. Can you tell me
price you payed to do so. Or what would be my best option to swap in.
76867 From: Mike Golden <mgolden@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:33am
Subject: Re: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine..
How's your ball joints? If they're worn, it'll cause this. Jack up the
front and see if you can wiggle the top of the tire in and out.
Mike
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, onebdjeep wrote:
> yea... that's what im talkin about. she just seems to follow the road where
> ever the ruts are. its like a conversation with my wife... starts off with
> jeeps but ends up with cosmetics. blows me away!!!
>
> thx!
>
>
> Sean Speer
> OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> Don't squat with yer spurs on!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <warm_arizona@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:35 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
>
>
> > I have found my other <non-Jeep> vehicle following the
> > longitudinal "rain grooves" that are sometimes found in freeway
> > concrete. I have attributed it to extremely non-agressive tire
> > tread. The tread on my truck tires is almost straight through and I
> > think just tracks the grooves in the road (which are not nearly
> > linear).
> >
> > I don't know if these are the type of ruts you are referring to, but
> > my $0.02.
> >
> > Greg
> > 90YJ
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> > > good questions.. suspension is stock and the tires are 285's that
> > were put on by the dealership before i even saw her. street tires...
> > looks like a wussy jeep... but i have big plans!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Sean Speer
> > > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: FredTJ
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> > >
> > >
> > > What mods do you have on your Jeep, over pure stock ??
> > > What tires (size) and wheels (size and backspacing) ??
> > > Any lift ??
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: onebdjeep
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:49 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok... so some may have figured out that i am not the smartest
> > person in the world... my wife tells that i am in fact smart... i
> > just lack common sense. (is that supposed to make me feel better?)
> > >
> > > Question #1:
> > > I have soft upper doors on my TJ and the zippers realy suck. we
> > had some unexpected bills and now i can't get a new soft top. Does
> > anyone know how to fix these damn zippers or should i just glue the
> > little ****s and be done with it till i can afford the new top?
> > >
> > > Question #2:
> > > Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel
> > free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut
> > in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76
> > CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going
> > straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at
> > 45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else
> > experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i
> > feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence...
> > ( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
> > >
> > > thx to all! y'all make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!
> > >
> > >
> > > Sean Speer
> > > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> > >
> > >
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76868 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 3:50am
Subject: RE: PAINT a jeep...Who can do it?
Don't forget our local! Arizona Trailwerks. Talk to Brian, tell him your
with the azvjc for GREAT deals. Their located off of I-17 and Thomas, just
west of I-17. Their phone number is 602.254.1551.
Excellent work! Highly recommended.
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Meyer [mailto:steve.j.meyer@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:23 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; squarelights@h...
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] PAINT a jeep...Who can do it?
Miracle Auto Body. Decent job at a nice price.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: az_squarelights <squarelights@h...>
[mailto:squarelights@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] PAINT a jeep...Who can do it?
i have a zj that needs to be painted. does anyone in the club do it
or can recommend a good inexpensive shop? thanks.
please email me off list.
nick l.
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76869 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 4:41am
Subject: Re: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine..
now that i've tried... i have a death wobble too and that was one of the
first things i tried. there is not play when i wiggle the tire side to side
or top to bottom.
thx!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
Don't squat with yer spurs on!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Golden" <mgolden@c...>
To: "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <warm_arizona@y...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: not the smartest grape on the vine..
> How's your ball joints? If they're worn, it'll cause this. Jack up the
> front and see if you can wiggle the top of the tire in and out.
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, onebdjeep wrote:
>
> > yea... that's what im talkin about. she just seems to follow the road
where
> > ever the ruts are. its like a conversation with my wife... starts off
with
> > jeeps but ends up with cosmetics. blows me away!!!
> >
> > thx!
> >
> >
> > Sean Speer
> > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <warm_arizona@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:35 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
> >
> >
> > > I have found my other <non-Jeep> vehicle following the
> > > longitudinal "rain grooves" that are sometimes found in freeway
> > > concrete. I have attributed it to extremely non-agressive tire
> > > tread. The tread on my truck tires is almost straight through and I
> > > think just tracks the grooves in the road (which are not nearly
> > > linear).
> > >
> > > I don't know if these are the type of ruts you are referring to, but
> > > my $0.02.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > > 90YJ
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> > > > good questions.. suspension is stock and the tires are 285's that
> > > were put on by the dealership before i even saw her. street tires...
> > > looks like a wussy jeep... but i have big plans!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sean Speer
> > > > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > > > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > > > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > > > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: FredTJ
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What mods do you have on your Jeep, over pure stock ??
> > > > What tires (size) and wheels (size and backspacing) ??
> > > > Any lift ??
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: onebdjeep
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:49 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok... so some may have figured out that i am not the smartest
> > > person in the world... my wife tells that i am in fact smart... i
> > > just lack common sense. (is that supposed to make me feel better?)
> > > >
> > > > Question #1:
> > > > I have soft upper doors on my TJ and the zippers realy suck. we
> > > had some unexpected bills and now i can't get a new soft top. Does
> > > anyone know how to fix these damn zippers or should i just glue the
> > > little ****s and be done with it till i can afford the new top?
> > > >
> > > > Question #2:
> > > > Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel
> > > free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut
> > > in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76
> > > CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going
> > > straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at
> > > 45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else
> > > experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i
> > > feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence...
> > > ( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
> > > >
> > > > thx to all! y'all make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sean Speer
> > > > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > > > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > > > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > > > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > Service.
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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76870 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:11am
Subject: [FS] Vendor Items Added
Hello Members of the AzVJC,
[Enter Vendor Name] has just added some items to the Classified section of the AzVJC Website that may be of interest to you. To see these items Click Here or goto the website classifieds and select 'Vendor' from the list.
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
76871 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:14am
Subject: [FS] 1984 grand wagoneer
Price: $1000
Contact: chris 480-941-3469
white,360 v8,ac,ps,pb,auto trans,body is in good condition no rust eng runs but needs work
76872 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:16am
Subject: [FS] Vendor Items Added
Hello Members of the AzVJC,
[Enter Vendor Name] has just added some items to the Classified section of the AzVJC Website that may be of interest to you. To see these items Click Here or goto the website classifieds and select 'Vendor' from the list.
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
76873 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:20am
Subject: Re: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, February 1, 2003
Scott,
Why not join us for the Sycamore Clean up instead of going on this run?
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:14 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, February 1, 2003
Hello All,
Scott Grigsby is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, February 1, 2003.
When: Sat. Feb 1
Where: Miners revenge trail
Rating: None
Length: 8 hours
CB Channel: 4
We are going run Miners revenge, dont know what diection yet. I have the Welder for when we break and I hope we have some spare axles too. I have to run this trail before when we went up the waterfall but I have learned that going down the waterfall is another way.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
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76874 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:35am
Subject: [FS] Warn 8274 winch
Price: 900 OBO
Contact: Bob
Like new Warn 8274 with Warn factory CJ mount plate,
new heavy duty extended battery cables, roller lead,
remote and cover. r.nyberg@worldnet.att.net
Bob Nyberg
76875 From: Tom Jacobson <tjacobson@t...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:43am
Subject: Re: [FS] Needing a Good 258 Motor
I didn't go into the classifieds to see who posted this, hopefully you're reading the messages.
Anyway, contact Shannon Campbell (Campbell Enterprises). He just did a 350 Vortech swap into a YJ that had a 258. The guy apparently didn't want the old motor, so left it with Shannon. I'm unsure as to the real condidiotn of it, but might be worth a check.
Tom
Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:11:48 (GMT)
From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Subject: [FS] Needing A Good 258 Motor
76876 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:52am
Subject: [FS] 2 Rubicon Express 4.5 front coils
Price: $90 pair
Contact: coxy8@yahoo.com
I have two 4.5 inch Rubicon Express springs for the front. This was part of my RE 4.5 superflex kit. They are about 2 years old. I set them up to the new ones that I got and they were still the same size. They didn't seem to sag at all. I believe the new ones go for $170.
Thanks,
Jeff Cox
Jeff Cox
76877 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:22am
Subject: Hikers May Disturb Nesting Owls
The governing board of the Society for Conservation Biology
(http://www.conbio.org/), publishers of the journal 'Conservation
Biology", contains many names and organizations affiliated with the
Wildlands Project.
If anyone harbors doubts about the Wildlands Project's impact on
motorized recreation and its intent for all recreation activities,
pay close attention to this article.
Hikers, once the "no-impact form of recreation", are being targeted
as a disturbance factor of endangered/threatened species.
Also note that Swarthout and Steidl's work is being used to help
establish recreational guidelines around Mexican spotted owl
territories on federal lands in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah.
*******************************************
Hikers May Disturb Nesting Owls
TUCSON, Arizona, January 28, 2003 (ENS) - Low impact outdoor
activities, like hiking, can still have impacts, including scaring
nesting owls off their nests, a new study shows.
The study suggests that hikers visiting some of the canyons where
Mexican spotted owls breed can disrupt the owls' behavior in ways
that might harm their young.
"We suggest that restrictions on hiking intensity should be
considered for canyons with high levels of human activity," write the
authors. Elliott Swarthout, who did this work while at the University
of Arizona in Tucson and is now at the Cornell Laboratory of
Ornithology in Ithaca, New York, and Robert Steidl of the University
of Arizona, report their findings in the February issue of the
journal "Conservation Biology."
The threatened Mexican spotted owl lives in coniferous forests in the
southwest U.S. and Mexico. In Utah, the birds nest, roost and hunt
almost always in steep, narrow canyons. Hiking and other recreational
activities along the canyon bottoms are highest from March to
October, which overlaps with the owls' breeding season.
To see if hiking affects the owls, Swarthout and Steidl studied 10
nests during the breeding season in Utah's Canyonlands and Capitol
Reef National Parks, which had between 400,000 and 650,000 visitors
per year during the two-year study period.
The nests were 36 to 223 feet above the canyon bottoms, and the
researchers observed the owls during a series of experimental "hiking
treatments," in which a hiker passed under a given nest every 15
minutes for four hours during three time periods: early morning,
mid-day and evening.
Swarthout and Steidl found that hiking affected the female owls the
most. The disturbed females spent almost 60 percent less time on prey
handling activities such as feeding their young, and a third less
time on daytime maintenance activities such as tending the nest, and
preening themselves and their young. Preening is important to birds'
health in part because it reduces parasites.
Because female Mexican spotted owls provide almost all of the
parental care, these behavioral changes could harm their young. Fewer
than a third of the young survive in the best of circumstances, and
getting less food and other kinds of care could make them even more
vulnerable.
The experimental hiking level in this study is higher than the actual
hiking levels in most of southern Utah's canyons. However, several of
the canyons where the owls live have more than 50 visitors per day,
which is close to the experimental hiking level.
In such areas, the researchers recommend protecting owl habitat
during the late March to early June nesting season by limiting hiking
or establishing buffers around nest sites. The researchers had
previously found that 95 percent of owls were not flushed when hikers
stayed about 80 feet away.
However, many canyons are so narrow that buffers of this size would
preclude hiking in them.
Swarthout and Steidl's work is being used to help establish
recreational guidelines around Mexican spotted owl territories on
federal lands in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah.
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
76878 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:26am
Subject: Nesting Owls get over it
The animal kingdom is quite adaptive. Mouth foaming environmentalists are
not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Stewart" <landuse@u...>
To: <Recipient List Suppressed:>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:22 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Hikers May Disturb Nesting Owls
> The governing board of the Society for Conservation Biology
> (http://www.conbio.org/), publishers of the journal 'Conservation
> Biology", contains many names and organizations affiliated with the
> Wildlands Project.
>
> If anyone harbors doubts about the Wildlands Project's impact on
> motorized recreation and its intent for all recreation activities,
> pay close attention to this article.
>
> Hikers, once the "no-impact form of recreation", are being targeted
> as a disturbance factor of endangered/threatened species.
>
> Also note that Swarthout and Steidl's work is being used to help
> establish recreational guidelines around Mexican spotted owl
> territories on federal lands in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah.
>
> *******************************************
>
> Hikers May Disturb Nesting Owls
> TUCSON, Arizona, January 28, 2003 (ENS) - Low impact outdoor
> activities, like hiking, can still have impacts, including scaring
> nesting owls off their nests, a new study shows.
>
> The study suggests that hikers visiting some of the canyons where
> Mexican spotted owls breed can disrupt the owls' behavior in ways
> that might harm their young.
>
> "We suggest that restrictions on hiking intensity should be
> considered for canyons with high levels of human activity," write the
> authors. Elliott Swarthout, who did this work while at the University
> of Arizona in Tucson and is now at the Cornell Laboratory of
> Ornithology in Ithaca, New York, and Robert Steidl of the University
> of Arizona, report their findings in the February issue of the
> journal "Conservation Biology."
>
> The threatened Mexican spotted owl lives in coniferous forests in the
> southwest U.S. and Mexico. In Utah, the birds nest, roost and hunt
> almost always in steep, narrow canyons. Hiking and other recreational
> activities along the canyon bottoms are highest from March to
> October, which overlaps with the owls' breeding season.
>
> To see if hiking affects the owls, Swarthout and Steidl studied 10
> nests during the breeding season in Utah's Canyonlands and Capitol
> Reef National Parks, which had between 400,000 and 650,000 visitors
> per year during the two-year study period.
>
> The nests were 36 to 223 feet above the canyon bottoms, and the
> researchers observed the owls during a series of experimental "hiking
> treatments," in which a hiker passed under a given nest every 15
> minutes for four hours during three time periods: early morning,
> mid-day and evening.
>
> Swarthout and Steidl found that hiking affected the female owls the
> most. The disturbed females spent almost 60 percent less time on prey
> handling activities such as feeding their young, and a third less
> time on daytime maintenance activities such as tending the nest, and
> preening themselves and their young. Preening is important to birds'
> health in part because it reduces parasites.
>
> Because female Mexican spotted owls provide almost all of the
> parental care, these behavioral changes could harm their young. Fewer
> than a third of the young survive in the best of circumstances, and
> getting less food and other kinds of care could make them even more
> vulnerable.
>
> The experimental hiking level in this study is higher than the actual
> hiking levels in most of southern Utah's canyons. However, several of
> the canyons where the owls live have more than 50 visitors per day,
> which is close to the experimental hiking level.
>
> In such areas, the researchers recommend protecting owl habitat
> during the late March to early June nesting season by limiting hiking
> or establishing buffers around nest sites. The researchers had
> previously found that 95 percent of owls were not flushed when hikers
> stayed about 80 feet away.
>
> However, many canyons are so narrow that buffers of this size would
> preclude hiking in them.
>
> Swarthout and Steidl's work is being used to help establish
> recreational guidelines around Mexican spotted owl territories on
> federal lands in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah.
> --
> John Stewart
> Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
> Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
> Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
> Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
>
>
>
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>
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76879 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:11am
Subject: Re: Nesting Owls get over it
Christ, I hope that ostriches never get loose and
start breeding in the wilds of the High Sonoran Desert.
Where would be then? =/
At 08:26 AM 1/29/03 -0700, you wrote:
>The animal kingdom is quite adaptive. Mouth foaming environmentalists are
>not.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Stewart" <landuse@u...>
>To: <Recipient List Suppressed:>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:22 AM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Hikers May Disturb Nesting Owls
>
>
>> The governing board of the Society for Conservation Biology
>> (http://www.conbio.org/), publishers of the journal 'Conservation
>> Biology", contains many names and organizations affiliated with the
>> Wildlands Project.
>>
>> If anyone harbors doubts about the Wildlands Project's impact on
>> motorized recreation and its intent for all recreation activities,
>> pay close attention to this article.
>>
>> Hikers, once the "no-impact form of recreation", are being targeted
>> as a disturbance factor of endangered/threatened species.
>>
>> Also note that Swarthout and Steidl's work is being used to help
>> establish recreational guidelines around Mexican spotted owl
>> territories on federal lands in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah.
>>
>> *******************************************
>>
>> Hikers May Disturb Nesting Owls
>> TUCSON, Arizona, January 28, 2003 (ENS) - Low impact outdoor
>> activities, like hiking, can still have impacts, including scaring
>> nesting owls off their nests, a new study shows.
>>
>> The study suggests that hikers visiting some of the canyons where
>> Mexican spotted owls breed can disrupt the owls' behavior in ways
>> that might harm their young.
>>
>> "We suggest that restrictions on hiking intensity should be
>> considered for canyons with high levels of human activity," write the
>> authors. Elliott Swarthout, who did this work while at the University
>> of Arizona in Tucson and is now at the Cornell Laboratory of
>> Ornithology in Ithaca, New York, and Robert Steidl of the University
>> of Arizona, report their findings in the February issue of the
>> journal "Conservation Biology."
>>
>> The threatened Mexican spotted owl lives in coniferous forests in the
>> southwest U.S. and Mexico. In Utah, the birds nest, roost and hunt
>> almost always in steep, narrow canyons. Hiking and other recreational
>> activities along the canyon bottoms are highest from March to
>> October, which overlaps with the owls' breeding season.
>>
>> To see if hiking affects the owls, Swarthout and Steidl studied 10
>> nests during the breeding season in Utah's Canyonlands and Capitol
>> Reef National Parks, which had between 400,000 and 650,000 visitors
>> per year during the two-year study period.
>>
>> The nests were 36 to 223 feet above the canyon bottoms, and the
>> researchers observed the owls during a series of experimental "hiking
>> treatments," in which a hiker passed under a given nest every 15
>> minutes for four hours during three time periods: early morning,
>> mid-day and evening.
>>
>> Swarthout and Steidl found that hiking affected the female owls the
>> most. The disturbed females spent almost 60 percent less time on prey
>> handling activities such as feeding their young, and a third less
>> time on daytime maintenance activities such as tending the nest, and
>> preening themselves and their young. Preening is important to birds'
>> health in part because it reduces parasites.
>>
>> Because female Mexican spotted owls provide almost all of the
>> parental care, these behavioral changes could harm their young. Fewer
>> than a third of the young survive in the best of circumstances, and
>> getting less food and other kinds of care could make them even more
>> vulnerable.
>>
>> The experimental hiking level in this study is higher than the actual
>> hiking levels in most of southern Utah's canyons. However, several of
>> the canyons where the owls live have more than 50 visitors per day,
>> which is close to the experimental hiking level.
>>
>> In such areas, the researchers recommend protecting owl habitat
>> during the late March to early June nesting season by limiting hiking
>> or establishing buffers around nest sites. The researchers had
>> previously found that 95 percent of owls were not flushed when hikers
>> stayed about 80 feet away.
>>
>> However, many canyons are so narrow that buffers of this size would
>> preclude hiking in them.
>>
>> Swarthout and Steidl's work is being used to help establish
>> recreational guidelines around Mexican spotted owl territories on
>> federal lands in Arizona, New Mexico and Utah.
>> --
>> John Stewart
>> Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
>> Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
>> Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
>> Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
>>
>>
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