blooddrive
01-07-2004, 10:00 PM
76830-76854
76830 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: Re:
So if I put my 4" front springs in back I should get 7" and then I'll need f150 springs for the front to match?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: Michael Beckham ; az_vjc
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
Hey Michael,
You end up with 3 in. of lift. I had this on my jeep from 97 till 01 road great. I made a 3 in. spacer for the front, with correct shocks it'll ramp about 950. The f-r springs rate is almost the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc]
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
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76831 From: Martin Ward <martinida@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:32pm
Subject: Re: Exhaust System
I live in Chandler.
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Ward
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Exhaust System
List -
I would like some ideas on what to replace my leaking exhaust. I tried to do a search, but this search engine isn't the easiest to find stuff. I have already tried the dealer and was told I didn't have a leak. Came home taped my air hose to the exhaust pipe and used soapy water. Found a few leaks near the engine, one before the cat and one after the cat. Dealer still says not a leak. Anyway.... I am going to replace my stock exhaust and I would appreciate some input from the group. Input on an aftermarket exhaust not what to do about the *****hole service rep..PLEASE.
Thanks,
Martin
97' TJ
6 cyl
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76832 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:36pm
Subject: Re: 3/4 elliptic
Yeah, like I said... The shackle attaches to the eye of the
leaf pack that is *NOT* attached to the half pack. Isn't this what
is commonly called a "buggy spring"???
Lachlan "Coils are boring, leaves are on trees" MacLean
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "ccgaiser <ccgaiser@h...>" <ccgaiser@h...>
wrote:
> I think that is wrong. It goes on the rear and the shackle
attaches
> to the rear of the whole pack and the short half spring attached to
> the frame, that is where the severe droop comes in to play. Most
> that I have seen, the owner "locks" the short spring against the
> frame on the street and releases it off-road for the major droop.
> _____
> o
> \\
> o______0_______o
>
> How is that for a lame ASCII illustration! haha
>
> chris
> 66 CJ-5
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
> <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> > Oh, ok. So which end gets the shackle? It still goes on
the
> > end of the full leafpack that is not attached to the half spring,
> > right?
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> > In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
<tomasr@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > They are two different things.
> > >
> > > 1/4 elliptic has half of a leaf spring pack flipped upside down
> and
> > > attached to the frame at one end and the axle at the other
end.
> > This
> > > half of a leaf spring forms 1/4 of an ellipse.
> > >
> > > 3/4 elliptic has half of a leaf flipped upside down and
attached
> to
> > > the frame at one end and the end of a full leaf spring at the
> other
> > > end. The half leaf plus the full leaf spring pack together
form
> > 3/4
> > > of an ellipse.
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
> > > <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> > > > Isn't it technically called a "1/4 elliptical" spring,
> since
> > > it
> > > > is half of a semicircularly arched leafpack? Just
wondering/...
> > > >
> > > > Lachlan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
> > <tomasr@a...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Tom,
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read
> > about
> > > > 3/4
> > > > > set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up
> > > getting
> > > > > more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount
> > under
> > > > > your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional
droop
> > > you'll
> > > > > get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to
> try
> > > to
> > > > > walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward.
At
> a
> > > > > minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst,
> > > you'll
> > > > > break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with
a
> > 3/4
> > > > set-
> > > > > up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the
> rig
> > on
> > > > one
> > > > > corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
> > > > >
> > > > > As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-
> up.
> > > But
> > > > > keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I
have
> no
> > > > first-
> > > > > hand experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube
> diameter
> > > of
> > > > > the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose
> will
> > be
> > > > > equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between
> your
> > > > > current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for
any
> > > > > difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my
> front
> > > 44,
> > > > I
> > > > > lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from
shorter
> > > > spring
> > > > > perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm
also
> > > SUA).
> > > > >
> > > > > -Roger
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson"
> <tjacobson@t...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this
isn't
> a
> > > > > duplicate)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear
of
> my
> > > YJ
> > > > at
> > > > > the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see
> > > anything
> > > > > really negative about the suspension, but I am still
running
> > the
> > > > > stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of
> > > suspension
> > > > > lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any
> > issues
> > > > with
> > > > > the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the
> rear
> > > of
> > > > > the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm
SUA).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around
> that
> > > > > they'd like to part with???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Tom J.
76833 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:42pm
Subject: Re: 3/4 elliptic
Oops! I got it- shackle goes between the springs, eye of main
leaf goes to frame.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
<jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Yeah, like I said... The shackle attaches to the eye of the
> leaf pack that is *NOT* attached to the half pack. Isn't this what
> is commonly called a "buggy spring"???
76834 From: Les R <lespaparoach@m...> <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:47pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
I just picked mine up at Darners this afternoon. Whoo hoo! I will
have rear discs on Saturday!
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> If you are talking about a spacer to adapt ZJ rear disks to an
XJ/TJ
> D44 (that bolt to the flange on the end of the axle tube), they
are now
> a dealer item. You can use the ones Chrysler makes for the
Rubicons.
>
> Chris
>
> On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 05:55 PM, cowboy7575@a... wrote:
>
> > Did you use the Eldo calipers from the rear of an Eldo with 4
wheel
> > discs? The ones with the parking brake lever that turns a worm
gear
> > to actuate the piston for your parking brake? I hope you have
better
> > luck than me and a few other guys I know that did the Warn
> > conversion. Those calipers if they are the same ones that we
used
> > (Warn gave us a choice, Caddy if you wanted or needed and ebrake
and
> > S-10 if you didnt), are trouble. I went thru 3 sets in 3
years. I
> > spoke with several mechanics and two brake shops and they said
that
> > the Caddy brakes were a problem in the late 70's early 80's when
they
> > were 1st introduced and remain a problem, one of the reasons GM
went
> > to a different design. It seems the worm gear gets f'd up and
your
> > braking power and efficiency deteriorate rapidly if not all of a
> > sudden. I got so frustrat! ed with mine I went back to drums
(the
> > 10' ones from a ZJ) and havent had such good brakes since
before I
> > did the Warn conversion to my YJ and I have excellent stopping
power
> > with 35's. I guess if me or someone figures out the spacer
problem
> > (where to get) and I can figure out what kind of rotor to use
with my
> > 5x5.5 bolt pattern and full floater with rear locking hubs, I
might go
> > back to disc's again using the ZJ set up.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> >
> >
> > Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:33:04 -0500
> > From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
> > Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
> >
> > I did a swap like this last week on an XJ D44 . Pulled the drum
> > backing plates and placed spacers behind the flange & seal
retainer
> > to keep the seal in the same area. Used TJ discs on the outside
> > of the flange with Eldo calipers & pads. GM pattern brackets
from
> > Lou Feger's hold the calipers in place. An absolute breeze of a
swap.
> >
> > -d
> >
> >
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Service.
> >
76835 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:47pm
Subject: Re: trail info
Bill, if you decide to go..post it up. We would like to go too.
Thanks
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
>From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" <bill@j...>
>To: <john6612@c...>,<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>,"Sandee McCullen"
><mccullen@c...>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] trail info
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:16:23 -0700
>
>I just did some quick checking and I didn't realize there was a ghost town
>there years ago. Sounds like they bulldozed most of it in the 70's but
>there
>may be a building partially left. If it's open it would be fun to go check
>it out and take pictures.
>
>http://www.swlink.net/~pjcat/ghost.html
>
>Thanks for checking into it Sandee.
>
>---------------
>Bill Hooven
>Jeeps Only
>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
>---------------------------------------------------------
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
>To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] trail info
>
>
> > The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of years.
>At
> > one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since disappeared.
>Re
> > the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining again.......... I'm
>not
> > sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they miner
>does
> > have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see what the
> > status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal with Tucson
>and
> > these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the facts"
> > either!
> >
> > Sandee
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> > >
> > >
> > > On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> > > mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> > > Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now there
> > > is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> > > anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> > > trespassing on there property.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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76836 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
yea... that's what im talkin about. she just seems to follow the road where
ever the ruts are. its like a conversation with my wife... starts off with
jeeps but ends up with cosmetics. blows me away!!!
thx!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
Don't squat with yer spurs on!
----- Original Message -----
From: <warm_arizona@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
> I have found my other <non-Jeep> vehicle following the
> longitudinal "rain grooves" that are sometimes found in freeway
> concrete. I have attributed it to extremely non-agressive tire
> tread. The tread on my truck tires is almost straight through and I
> think just tracks the grooves in the road (which are not nearly
> linear).
>
> I don't know if these are the type of ruts you are referring to, but
> my $0.02.
>
> Greg
> 90YJ
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> > good questions.. suspension is stock and the tires are 285's that
> were put on by the dealership before i even saw her. street tires...
> looks like a wussy jeep... but i have big plans!!
> >
> >
> > Sean Speer
> > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: FredTJ
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> >
> >
> > What mods do you have on your Jeep, over pure stock ??
> > What tires (size) and wheels (size and backspacing) ??
> > Any lift ??
> > etc.
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: onebdjeep
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:49 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> >
> >
> > Ok... so some may have figured out that i am not the smartest
> person in the world... my wife tells that i am in fact smart... i
> just lack common sense. (is that supposed to make me feel better?)
> >
> > Question #1:
> > I have soft upper doors on my TJ and the zippers realy suck. we
> had some unexpected bills and now i can't get a new soft top. Does
> anyone know how to fix these damn zippers or should i just glue the
> little ****s and be done with it till i can afford the new top?
> >
> > Question #2:
> > Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel
> free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut
> in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76
> CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going
> straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at
> 45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else
> experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i
> feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence...
> ( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
> >
> > thx to all! y'all make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!
> >
> >
> > Sean Speer
> > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> >
> >
> >
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76837 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:59pm
Subject: Re: front tj springs in rear
Mike,
I have no idea if it would work, I am guessing it wouldn't, but, I
have some stock springs if you want to borrow them and try it. It
wouldn't be too hard to switch them out.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Beckham" <jeepnut7261@h...>
wrote:
> My question for the group is
> If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what
amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size
spring would you need for the front?
> Michael (Max) Beckham
> Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
> 623-330-8987
76838 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Mine won't be on saturday, but they will be soon. I'm going to pick up
the calipers tonight. Darners in the next couple days to order the last
bits.
Chris
On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 06:47 PM, Les R <lespaparoach@m...>
wrote:
> I just picked mine up at Darners this afternoon. Whoo hoo! I will
> have rear discs on Saturday!
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
>> If you are talking about a spacer to adapt ZJ rear disks to an
> XJ/TJ
>> D44 (that bolt to the flange on the end of the axle tube), they
> are now
>> a dealer item. You can use the ones Chrysler makes for the
> Rubicons.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 05:55 PM, cowboy7575@a... wrote:
>>
>>> Did you use the Eldo calipers from the rear of an Eldo with 4
> wheel
>>> discs? The ones with the parking brake lever that turns a worm
> gear
>>> to actuate the piston for your parking brake? I hope you have
> better
>>> luck than me and a few other guys I know that did the Warn
>>> conversion. Those calipers if they are the same ones that we
> used
>>> (Warn gave us a choice, Caddy if you wanted or needed and ebrake
> and
>>> S-10 if you didnt), are trouble. I went thru 3 sets in 3
> years. I
>>> spoke with several mechanics and two brake shops and they said
> that
>>> the Caddy brakes were a problem in the late 70's early 80's when
> they
>>> were 1st introduced and remain a problem, one of the reasons GM
> went
>>> to a different design. It seems the worm gear gets f'd up and
> your
>>> braking power and efficiency deteriorate rapidly if not all of a
>>> sudden. I got so frustrat! ed with mine I went back to drums
> (the
>>> 10' ones from a ZJ) and havent had such good brakes since
> before I
>>> did the Warn conversion to my YJ and I have excellent stopping
> power
>>> with 35's. I guess if me or someone figures out the spacer
> problem
>>> (where to get) and I can figure out what kind of rotor to use
> with my
>>> 5x5.5 bolt pattern and full floater with rear locking hubs, I
> might go
>>> back to disc's again using the ZJ set up.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:33:04 -0500
>>> From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
>>>
>>> I did a swap like this last week on an XJ D44 . Pulled the drum
>>> backing plates and placed spacers behind the flange & seal
> retainer
>>> to keep the seal in the same area. Used TJ discs on the outside
>>> of the flange with Eldo calipers & pads. GM pattern brackets
> from
>>> Lou Feger's hold the calipers in place. An absolute breeze of a
> swap.
>>>
>>> -d
>>>
>>>
>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>>>
>
>
>
>
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76839 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:04pm
Subject: Re: Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
The world is comeing to an end for sure.........The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that people injured in boating accidents can sue engine manufacturers for damages in state courts. What's next......sueing automakers when someone in their vehicle kills someone in a drunk driving accident?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Wade Ungaro
To: BradP Kilgore ; mikdiamon@yahoo.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
I heard that there's some new "stupid" lawsuit where a guy is suing eBay for slander because people posted negative comments about his selling habits. What is this world coming to!!
Have a good day all!
~Wade
BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@pulte.com> wrote:
"Is this the way business is normally done on AZVJC?"
This statement was sarcasim and meant to get people's attention, and promote discussion, which I think has been acomplished.
Brandon has been around long enough to know what this group is all about, that is what makes this truly unfortunate. This is why Brandon chose to trust this fellow member with his hard earned cash, to purchase what he thought was a good deal on a nearly new winch. We continually post and read about our good experiences with one another, it is easy to forget that all people are not necessarly honest and not always good people. There are those who will and do take advantage of every oportunity. It is really a shame to believe that there are those type of people in within this group, but this seems to be the case.
Several phone calls were placed to the seller in this case, Ray Bratton, all were answered with a thumb of the nose and a too bad so sad attitude. Brandon even offered to pay half of the repairs of the winch, wow, this is more then he should have had to do!!! The seller offered a nearly new product, (Used Once!), any reasonable person would expect a working item. If I for one were to buy a product under these circumstances, I would expect my money back in no uncertain terms.
Should the buyer beware, absolutely! Should you be more trusting of people within our group, I would like the answer to be absolutely! We obviously do not know every member so we must do what we can to watch out for each other. Now that we know this type of person is out there, we must remember and encourage our fellow members to be careful when buying and be honest when selling. I don't know if any other members know Ray Bratton, but if they do, I would hope they would pick up the phone and encourage him to do the right thing. For those of us who do not know him, we do now....unfortunately!
Maybe we need to have a list like E-Bay, with good and bad experiences for buying and selling. I'm just thinking out loud, I realize there are problems with this idea. This hurts us all and I for one will not forget this in the future.
JMHO
Brad
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76840 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:55pm
Subject: RE: Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
All.........
Another issue re Sycamore Clean up............... this mess is, for the
most part, OHV mess so we truly do need to be responsible with this.
The other issue is I NEED you all to show because I've been working with the
Tonto NF for a year now in trying to get them to apply for a grant to allow
US to build a "play area" (kiosk of information, tables, potties, tire pit,
log climb, rock crawl, etc.....) in this area, leaving the management and
control to US !!!!! The responsible recreationist will have to step up and
start EDUCATING the newbies!............. If we don't do something like
this the area WILL be closed.
Closure, IMO, is a stupid solution simply because these guys will simply
move down the road a mile and start all over again. The area is already
destroyed................ how about us making this into a "play area" for
all?
It's going to take some numbers to show FS we can put our actions where our
mouth is! JOIN IN.......
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nasser [mailto:nasser88@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:21 PM
> To: Michael Wixom; RockRats@yahoogroups. Com; Az_Vjc; Hackle
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
> Importance: High
>
>
> Folks,
>
> Mike and Jim are very correct. We only have 11 members signed up as a
> definite. We need to get some more to join the clean up at Sycamore Creek
> area. How about it? There isn't another cleanup scheduled for a while.
> Let's see if we can get at least 50.
>
> There are some important land issues being discussed and decided on these
> days, and when we (the OHV community) show our involvement like we did at
> Table Mesa, the agencies take us more seriously and count us a
> credible user
> and resource group. That is why they are starting to listen to us, and
> hopefully act in our favor.
>
> It is imperative to have a strong showing at Sycamore. Just volunteering
> for a few hours this Saturday will go a long way!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nasser
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Wixom [mailto:h8pvmnt@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:10 PM
> To: RockRats@yahoogroups. Com; Az_Vjc; Hackle
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
>
> I would like to reiterate how important this one is, please find
> some time
> to show up for this clean-up. It is very important to the continued use of
> this area.
>
> Mike Wixom
> 85 CJ-7
> Member of:
> AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
> ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
> Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
> United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
> To: "RockRats@yahoogroups. Com" <RockRats@yahoogroups.com>; "Az_Vjc"
> <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:25 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
>
>
> > I know that we just completed the clean-up at Table Mesa on Sat. but we
> > have another one scheduled for next weekend. Unlike Table Mesa where we
> > cleaned up mostly shooters trash this area is pretty much a mess by OHV
> > users. A trip sign up is available on the web site along with
> all the info
> > required. The Forest Service is thinking about closing this area to OHV
> use
> > we need a strong showing to help change there minds. Jim F.
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
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76841 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:05pm
Subject: RE: RE: SWR Meter
Dan,
If you live on the west side of town or want to stop by, I can calibrate
it for you. I have a meter and would be happy to explain it to you
while we do it. Glad to help out.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Dennis <dannpegg@c...> [mailto:dannpegg@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:59 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] RE: SWR Meter
How does this thing work? I bought and installed a CB a few months ago
(First Timer!!!) and the Firestick package mentioned calibrating it,
but doesn't give any info at all about how or where to find info on
it. How much does the meter cost?
Dan (AZ Treadhead)
'97 TJ (BRUZR) in LHC
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76842 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...> <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:17pm
Subject: Custom Exhaust Shop
What was the place on the east side that does the custom exhaust
work? I am just about done with my tri-link rear upper control arms
and I need to re-route the exhaust before I can put it on. I
remember a little while back someone recommended a shop that did
custom work. Hook a brother up! :) Thanks!!! -Rob
76843 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:21pm
Subject: RE:
Max&.it wont fit on the spring pad correctly.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:19 PM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc]
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
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76844 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:50pm
Subject: trail info
Yoy might want to do a little checking before trying to get to
reymert. The entrence to reymert mine off of US 60 east of Gonzales
pass on the right hand side of the road is gated. The gate is new, I
was there back in April or May of 2002 and there was no gate. The
road that leads from Mineral mountain road to Reymert mine is now
Bulldozed this trail leads past the LULU 2 mine, down a rocky wash
and then up a off camber hill. I have not been able to find another
way in.
John Greenawalt
76845 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:52pm
Subject: Re: trail info
There are some claims around Reymert, but no active mining. The more recent
mining activity is on the other side of the mountain to the east.
At Reymert, the remnants of the mill are there, but that's about it. Last
time I was there (2-3 yrs ago or so), it was readily accessible, but you can
drive right by it if you're not looking.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" <bill@j...>
To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Sandee McCullen"
<mccullen@c...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] trail info
> I just did some quick checking and I didn't realize there was a ghost town
> there years ago. Sounds like they bulldozed most of it in the 70's but
there
> may be a building partially left. If it's open it would be fun to go check
> it out and take pictures.
>
> http://www.swlink.net/~pjcat/ghost.html
>
> Thanks for checking into it Sandee.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] trail info
>
>
> > The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of years.
At
> > one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since disappeared.
Re
> > the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining again.......... I'm
> not
> > sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they miner
does
> > have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see what the
> > status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal with Tucson
> and
> > these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the facts"
> > either!
> >
> > Sandee
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> > >
> > >
> > > On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> > > mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> > > Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now there
> > > is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> > > anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> > > trespassing on there property.
> > >
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76846 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:50pm
Subject: Re:
No you don't want to do that spring rates would be different and the ride would be horrible. You don't want to go too high with out some sort of long arm, the arms get to steep of angle. I now have f-150 springs at all 4 corners with other mod's to get about 12 in. of lift, rides pretty nice. But I also don't drive on the street very often, 39.5s+full width axles a bit much to handle.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:27 PM
To: Edward Timmsen; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
So if I put my 4" front springs in back I should get 7" and then I'll need f150 springs for the front to match?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: Michael Beckham ; az_vjc
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
Hey Michael,
You end up with 3 in. of lift. I had this on my jeep from 97 till 01 road great. I made a 3 in. spacer for the front, with correct shocks it'll ramp about 950. The f-r springs rate is almost the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc]
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
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76847 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:00pm
Subject: trail info
I think were on the same page here. The entrence I am talking about
is on the right hand side of the road East of Gonzales pass. There
is a windmill at the turn off.
John Greenawalt
There are some claims around Reymert, but no active mining. The more
recent
mining activity is on the other side of the mountain to the east.
At Reymert, the remnants of the mill are there, but that's about it.
Last
time I was there (2-3 yrs ago or so), it was readily accessible, but
you can
drive right by it if you're not looking.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" <bill@j...>
To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Sandee McCullen"
<mccullen@c...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] trail info
> I just did some quick checking and I didn't realize there was a
ghost town
> there years ago. Sounds like they bulldozed most of it in the 70's
but
there
> may be a building partially left. If it's open it would be fun to
go check
> it out and take pictures.
>
> http://www.swlink.net/~pjcat/ghost.html
>
> Thanks for checking into it Sandee.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] trail info
>
>
> > The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of
years.
At
> > one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since
disappeared.
Re
> > the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining
again.......... I'm
> not
> > sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they
miner
does
> > have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see
what the
> > status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal
with Tucson
> and
> > these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the
facts"
> > either!
> >
> > Sandee
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> > >
> > >
> > > On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with
the
> > > mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass
in
> > > Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now
there
> > > is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into
there. Does
> > > anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> > > trespassing on there property.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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76848 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:59pm
Subject: Re: Aaron bought a flat fender!
Don't change it!!
A 47 in mint condition is something to be restored, not modified.
These older Willys are getting harder and harder to find, it would be a
shame to waste one when a cj5 or 7 can be gotten for the same money, they
are a lot more common, and a lot easier to modify. Parts are more readily
available ( both aftermarket and stock).
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
----- Original Message -----
From: <ridetimeless158@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:47 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Aaron bought a flat fender!
> Hey all, first off I wanted to let everyone know that you are he best
> group of people it's ever been my pleasure to meet, to explain the
> fact that I dropped off the face ofthe earth.... I moved back home to
> WA state to become a part of our family tradition (Des Moines P.D.).
> However lo and behold I came across a SMOKING deal for a 47 CJ2A in
> mint condition 1500!!!!! i'm curious if anyone has any experience
> with the suspension on this old of a jeep.. I know I want to get rid
> of the small leaf packs and go to either YJ springs or ZJ coils
> either way I NEED HELP!!! If anyone has any info I would greatly
> appreciate it.
> Aaron
> '89 XJ
> '47 CJ2A
>
>
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76849 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:02pm
Subject: Re:
Stu,
You are right it is off center but if you drill the pad and put a clamp around the spring and bolt it down it works just fine.---- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:50 PM
To: ettrans@msn.com
Subject: FW: [az_vjc]
Edward,
How did you manage to get the front springs to fit properly on the rear spring pads? The coil size is not the same.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:27 PM
To: Edward Timmsen; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
So if I put my 4" front springs in back I should get 7" and then I'll need f150 springs for the front to match?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: Michael Beckham ; az_vjc
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
Hey Michael,
You end up with 3 in. of lift. I had this on my jeep from 97 till 01 road great. I made a 3 in. spacer for the front, with correct shocks it'll ramp about 950. The f-r springs rate is almost the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc]
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
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76850 From: Brad Weikert <a292@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:19pm
Subject: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
Hello;
Have you checked the toe in? If the front tires have too little toe in or
especially if they have any toe out at all it can act like you describe,
not just with ruts in the road though. If they have any toe out the
vehicle will try to follow whichever tire happens to have the most traction
at the time. Also check for loose or worn front wheel bearings.
Have you tried rotating your tires (put the rear tires up front)?
Just my 2¢
Have a good day
Brad
----- Original Message -----
> Question #2:
> Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel
>free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut
>in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76
>CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going
>straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at
>45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else
>experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i
>feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence...
>( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
76851 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:30pm
Subject: Re: trail info
That may be the exit (or entrance) trail at US60. Reymert itself is in a
canyon off a wash road, on the west side/slope of the hills/mountains. The
quickest way there is to take Mineral Mountain Road (off of US 60 - east of
FJ). Head south on MM, and when you drop down a small hill and get to the
first cattle guard (I think it's the first), by a large mesquite tree,
you'll need to head left (easterly) into a wash. The wash is the old Reymert
Rd. Follow that wash/road a ways, and keep an eye on the right for a stone
masonry embankment...wish supports the road turn off to Reymert. You have to
make a 120* turn up the road and you'll see what's left....remnants of a
brick masonry mill. There are a number of claim stakes around, and some
foundations of buildings, but that's about it. Makes for a nice lunch spot,
though.
To get to where your talking about (before it was apparently blocked), you
go back to the wash and continue up, and you'll come to a steep hill and a
saddle. When I was there a couple of years ago, you could see how they tried
to block the road, but it was no biggie to go up over the berm. The main
mining area is on the other side (eastern side) of the saddle.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <john6612@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> I think were on the same page here. The entrence I am talking about
> is on the right hand side of the road East of Gonzales pass. There
> is a windmill at the turn off.
> John Greenawalt
>
>
>
> There are some claims around Reymert, but no active mining. The more
> recent
> mining activity is on the other side of the mountain to the east.
>
> At Reymert, the remnants of the mill are there, but that's about it.
> Last
> time I was there (2-3 yrs ago or so), it was readily accessible, but
> you can
> drive right by it if you're not looking.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" <bill@j...>
> To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Sandee McCullen"
> <mccullen@c...>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] trail info
>
>
> > I just did some quick checking and I didn't realize there was a
> ghost town
> > there years ago. Sounds like they bulldozed most of it in the 70's
> but
> there
> > may be a building partially left. If it's open it would be fun to
> go check
> > it out and take pictures.
> >
> > http://www.swlink.net/~pjcat/ghost.html
> >
> > Thanks for checking into it Sandee.
> >
> > ---------------
> > Bill Hooven
> > Jeeps Only
> > http://www.jeepsonly.com
> > A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> > To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] trail info
> >
> >
> > > The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of
> years.
> At
> > > one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since
> disappeared.
> Re
> > > the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining
> again.......... I'm
> > not
> > > sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they
> miner
> does
> > > have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see
> what the
> > > status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal
> with Tucson
> > and
> > > these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the
> facts"
> > > either!
> > >
> > > Sandee
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with
> the
> > > > mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass
> in
> > > > Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now
> there
> > > > is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into
> there. Does
> > > > anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> > > > trespassing on there property.
> > > >
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76852 From: Shaun Girard <spgirard30@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:31pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] '86 CJ7 - Looking 4 REASONABLE engine/tranny swap
I am in the process of building up a 360 AMC V8 for my jeep. I was lucky enough to find a complete motor with all the brackets for 20 bucks. It will bolt right up to your jeep with very few changes. If you plan on doing it this way make sure you find a complete motor because the parts can be hard to find. like the brakets and stuff like that.
Shaun
Tucson
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:19 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] '86 CJ7 - Looking 4 REASONABLE engine/tranny swap
I want to swap out my straight 6 for a V8 and mate it to an auto tranny. Anyone have info? I have the cash now so I'm dying to move on this project.
Appreciate any help!!
Manny
Manny Dominguez
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76853 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:41pm
Subject: [FS] '01 TJ WRANGLER SPORT W/ 4" TERAFLEX
Price: a steal at 16,000, KBB value over 18,000
Contact: Brett - 480-227-7413
-black
-24,000 miles
-5 spd. 4.0 6cyl.
-air raid intake
-4 new, 1 used spare 33" bfg mt's
-5 15x10 mickey thompson classic II's
-hitch
-black soft top- tinted windows
-bikini top, rear cover
-original owner, still under warranty
-great jeep
-too many bills force sale
-no problems
-480-227-7413
-bmf1321@excite.com
Brett Fibus
76854 From: Duffy Ladd <dladd5@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:45pm
Subject: Who make the quater circle speaker mounts for the roll bar corners
Help everyone. Can someone on this list tell me who make the speaker pods
that are basically the shape of a quater circle that mount overhead in the
corner of the roll bar where the main hoop and the side bars meet? I'n not
looking for a sound bar just the individual pods that mount in the corners
overhead!
Thanks,
Duffy
76830 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: Re:
So if I put my 4" front springs in back I should get 7" and then I'll need f150 springs for the front to match?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: Michael Beckham ; az_vjc
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
Hey Michael,
You end up with 3 in. of lift. I had this on my jeep from 97 till 01 road great. I made a 3 in. spacer for the front, with correct shocks it'll ramp about 950. The f-r springs rate is almost the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc]
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
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76831 From: Martin Ward <martinida@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:32pm
Subject: Re: Exhaust System
I live in Chandler.
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Ward
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Exhaust System
List -
I would like some ideas on what to replace my leaking exhaust. I tried to do a search, but this search engine isn't the easiest to find stuff. I have already tried the dealer and was told I didn't have a leak. Came home taped my air hose to the exhaust pipe and used soapy water. Found a few leaks near the engine, one before the cat and one after the cat. Dealer still says not a leak. Anyway.... I am going to replace my stock exhaust and I would appreciate some input from the group. Input on an aftermarket exhaust not what to do about the *****hole service rep..PLEASE.
Thanks,
Martin
97' TJ
6 cyl
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76832 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:36pm
Subject: Re: 3/4 elliptic
Yeah, like I said... The shackle attaches to the eye of the
leaf pack that is *NOT* attached to the half pack. Isn't this what
is commonly called a "buggy spring"???
Lachlan "Coils are boring, leaves are on trees" MacLean
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "ccgaiser <ccgaiser@h...>" <ccgaiser@h...>
wrote:
> I think that is wrong. It goes on the rear and the shackle
attaches
> to the rear of the whole pack and the short half spring attached to
> the frame, that is where the severe droop comes in to play. Most
> that I have seen, the owner "locks" the short spring against the
> frame on the street and releases it off-road for the major droop.
> _____
> o
> \\
> o______0_______o
>
> How is that for a lame ASCII illustration! haha
>
> chris
> 66 CJ-5
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
> <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> > Oh, ok. So which end gets the shackle? It still goes on
the
> > end of the full leafpack that is not attached to the half spring,
> > right?
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> > In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
<tomasr@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > They are two different things.
> > >
> > > 1/4 elliptic has half of a leaf spring pack flipped upside down
> and
> > > attached to the frame at one end and the axle at the other
end.
> > This
> > > half of a leaf spring forms 1/4 of an ellipse.
> > >
> > > 3/4 elliptic has half of a leaf flipped upside down and
attached
> to
> > > the frame at one end and the end of a full leaf spring at the
> other
> > > end. The half leaf plus the full leaf spring pack together
form
> > 3/4
> > > of an ellipse.
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
> > > <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> > > > Isn't it technically called a "1/4 elliptical" spring,
> since
> > > it
> > > > is half of a semicircularly arched leafpack? Just
wondering/...
> > > >
> > > > Lachlan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
> > <tomasr@a...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Tom,
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read
> > about
> > > > 3/4
> > > > > set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up
> > > getting
> > > > > more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount
> > under
> > > > > your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional
droop
> > > you'll
> > > > > get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to
> try
> > > to
> > > > > walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward.
At
> a
> > > > > minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst,
> > > you'll
> > > > > break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with
a
> > 3/4
> > > > set-
> > > > > up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the
> rig
> > on
> > > > one
> > > > > corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
> > > > >
> > > > > As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-
> up.
> > > But
> > > > > keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I
have
> no
> > > > first-
> > > > > hand experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube
> diameter
> > > of
> > > > > the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose
> will
> > be
> > > > > equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between
> your
> > > > > current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for
any
> > > > > difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my
> front
> > > 44,
> > > > I
> > > > > lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from
shorter
> > > > spring
> > > > > perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm
also
> > > SUA).
> > > > >
> > > > > -Roger
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson"
> <tjacobson@t...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this
isn't
> a
> > > > > duplicate)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear
of
> my
> > > YJ
> > > > at
> > > > > the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see
> > > anything
> > > > > really negative about the suspension, but I am still
running
> > the
> > > > > stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of
> > > suspension
> > > > > lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any
> > issues
> > > > with
> > > > > the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the
> rear
> > > of
> > > > > the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm
SUA).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around
> that
> > > > > they'd like to part with???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Tom J.
76833 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:42pm
Subject: Re: 3/4 elliptic
Oops! I got it- shackle goes between the springs, eye of main
leaf goes to frame.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
<jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Yeah, like I said... The shackle attaches to the eye of the
> leaf pack that is *NOT* attached to the half pack. Isn't this what
> is commonly called a "buggy spring"???
76834 From: Les R <lespaparoach@m...> <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:47pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
I just picked mine up at Darners this afternoon. Whoo hoo! I will
have rear discs on Saturday!
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> If you are talking about a spacer to adapt ZJ rear disks to an
XJ/TJ
> D44 (that bolt to the flange on the end of the axle tube), they
are now
> a dealer item. You can use the ones Chrysler makes for the
Rubicons.
>
> Chris
>
> On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 05:55 PM, cowboy7575@a... wrote:
>
> > Did you use the Eldo calipers from the rear of an Eldo with 4
wheel
> > discs? The ones with the parking brake lever that turns a worm
gear
> > to actuate the piston for your parking brake? I hope you have
better
> > luck than me and a few other guys I know that did the Warn
> > conversion. Those calipers if they are the same ones that we
used
> > (Warn gave us a choice, Caddy if you wanted or needed and ebrake
and
> > S-10 if you didnt), are trouble. I went thru 3 sets in 3
years. I
> > spoke with several mechanics and two brake shops and they said
that
> > the Caddy brakes were a problem in the late 70's early 80's when
they
> > were 1st introduced and remain a problem, one of the reasons GM
went
> > to a different design. It seems the worm gear gets f'd up and
your
> > braking power and efficiency deteriorate rapidly if not all of a
> > sudden. I got so frustrat! ed with mine I went back to drums
(the
> > 10' ones from a ZJ) and havent had such good brakes since
before I
> > did the Warn conversion to my YJ and I have excellent stopping
power
> > with 35's. I guess if me or someone figures out the spacer
problem
> > (where to get) and I can figure out what kind of rotor to use
with my
> > 5x5.5 bolt pattern and full floater with rear locking hubs, I
might go
> > back to disc's again using the ZJ set up.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> >
> >
> > Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:33:04 -0500
> > From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
> > Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
> >
> > I did a swap like this last week on an XJ D44 . Pulled the drum
> > backing plates and placed spacers behind the flange & seal
retainer
> > to keep the seal in the same area. Used TJ discs on the outside
> > of the flange with Eldo calipers & pads. GM pattern brackets
from
> > Lou Feger's hold the calipers in place. An absolute breeze of a
swap.
> >
> > -d
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
> >
76835 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:47pm
Subject: Re: trail info
Bill, if you decide to go..post it up. We would like to go too.
Thanks
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
>From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" <bill@j...>
>To: <john6612@c...>,<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>,"Sandee McCullen"
><mccullen@c...>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] trail info
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:16:23 -0700
>
>I just did some quick checking and I didn't realize there was a ghost town
>there years ago. Sounds like they bulldozed most of it in the 70's but
>there
>may be a building partially left. If it's open it would be fun to go check
>it out and take pictures.
>
>http://www.swlink.net/~pjcat/ghost.html
>
>Thanks for checking into it Sandee.
>
>---------------
>Bill Hooven
>Jeeps Only
>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
>---------------------------------------------------------
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
>To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] trail info
>
>
> > The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of years.
>At
> > one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since disappeared.
>Re
> > the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining again.......... I'm
>not
> > sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they miner
>does
> > have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see what the
> > status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal with Tucson
>and
> > these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the facts"
> > either!
> >
> > Sandee
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> > >
> > >
> > > On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> > > mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> > > Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now there
> > > is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> > > anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> > > trespassing on there property.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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76836 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
yea... that's what im talkin about. she just seems to follow the road where
ever the ruts are. its like a conversation with my wife... starts off with
jeeps but ends up with cosmetics. blows me away!!!
thx!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
Don't squat with yer spurs on!
----- Original Message -----
From: <warm_arizona@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
> I have found my other <non-Jeep> vehicle following the
> longitudinal "rain grooves" that are sometimes found in freeway
> concrete. I have attributed it to extremely non-agressive tire
> tread. The tread on my truck tires is almost straight through and I
> think just tracks the grooves in the road (which are not nearly
> linear).
>
> I don't know if these are the type of ruts you are referring to, but
> my $0.02.
>
> Greg
> 90YJ
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> > good questions.. suspension is stock and the tires are 285's that
> were put on by the dealership before i even saw her. street tires...
> looks like a wussy jeep... but i have big plans!!
> >
> >
> > Sean Speer
> > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: FredTJ
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> >
> >
> > What mods do you have on your Jeep, over pure stock ??
> > What tires (size) and wheels (size and backspacing) ??
> > Any lift ??
> > etc.
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: onebdjeep
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:49 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
> >
> >
> > Ok... so some may have figured out that i am not the smartest
> person in the world... my wife tells that i am in fact smart... i
> just lack common sense. (is that supposed to make me feel better?)
> >
> > Question #1:
> > I have soft upper doors on my TJ and the zippers realy suck. we
> had some unexpected bills and now i can't get a new soft top. Does
> anyone know how to fix these damn zippers or should i just glue the
> little ****s and be done with it till i can afford the new top?
> >
> > Question #2:
> > Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel
> free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut
> in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76
> CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going
> straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at
> 45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else
> experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i
> feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence...
> ( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
> >
> > thx to all! y'all make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!
> >
> >
> > Sean Speer
> > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> > Don't squat with yer spurs on!
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
> >
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>
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>
76837 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:59pm
Subject: Re: front tj springs in rear
Mike,
I have no idea if it would work, I am guessing it wouldn't, but, I
have some stock springs if you want to borrow them and try it. It
wouldn't be too hard to switch them out.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Beckham" <jeepnut7261@h...>
wrote:
> My question for the group is
> If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what
amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size
spring would you need for the front?
> Michael (Max) Beckham
> Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
> 623-330-8987
76838 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Mine won't be on saturday, but they will be soon. I'm going to pick up
the calipers tonight. Darners in the next couple days to order the last
bits.
Chris
On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 06:47 PM, Les R <lespaparoach@m...>
wrote:
> I just picked mine up at Darners this afternoon. Whoo hoo! I will
> have rear discs on Saturday!
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
>> If you are talking about a spacer to adapt ZJ rear disks to an
> XJ/TJ
>> D44 (that bolt to the flange on the end of the axle tube), they
> are now
>> a dealer item. You can use the ones Chrysler makes for the
> Rubicons.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 05:55 PM, cowboy7575@a... wrote:
>>
>>> Did you use the Eldo calipers from the rear of an Eldo with 4
> wheel
>>> discs? The ones with the parking brake lever that turns a worm
> gear
>>> to actuate the piston for your parking brake? I hope you have
> better
>>> luck than me and a few other guys I know that did the Warn
>>> conversion. Those calipers if they are the same ones that we
> used
>>> (Warn gave us a choice, Caddy if you wanted or needed and ebrake
> and
>>> S-10 if you didnt), are trouble. I went thru 3 sets in 3
> years. I
>>> spoke with several mechanics and two brake shops and they said
> that
>>> the Caddy brakes were a problem in the late 70's early 80's when
> they
>>> were 1st introduced and remain a problem, one of the reasons GM
> went
>>> to a different design. It seems the worm gear gets f'd up and
> your
>>> braking power and efficiency deteriorate rapidly if not all of a
>>> sudden. I got so frustrat! ed with mine I went back to drums
> (the
>>> 10' ones from a ZJ) and havent had such good brakes since
> before I
>>> did the Warn conversion to my YJ and I have excellent stopping
> power
>>> with 35's. I guess if me or someone figures out the spacer
> problem
>>> (where to get) and I can figure out what kind of rotor to use
> with my
>>> 5x5.5 bolt pattern and full floater with rear locking hubs, I
> might go
>>> back to disc's again using the ZJ set up.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:33:04 -0500
>>> From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
>>>
>>> I did a swap like this last week on an XJ D44 . Pulled the drum
>>> backing plates and placed spacers behind the flange & seal
> retainer
>>> to keep the seal in the same area. Used TJ discs on the outside
>>> of the flange with Eldo calipers & pads. GM pattern brackets
> from
>>> Lou Feger's hold the calipers in place. An absolute breeze of a
> swap.
>>>
>>> -d
>>>
>>>
>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>>>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
76839 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:04pm
Subject: Re: Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
The world is comeing to an end for sure.........The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that people injured in boating accidents can sue engine manufacturers for damages in state courts. What's next......sueing automakers when someone in their vehicle kills someone in a drunk driving accident?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Wade Ungaro
To: BradP Kilgore ; mikdiamon@yahoo.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
I heard that there's some new "stupid" lawsuit where a guy is suing eBay for slander because people posted negative comments about his selling habits. What is this world coming to!!
Have a good day all!
~Wade
BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@pulte.com> wrote:
"Is this the way business is normally done on AZVJC?"
This statement was sarcasim and meant to get people's attention, and promote discussion, which I think has been acomplished.
Brandon has been around long enough to know what this group is all about, that is what makes this truly unfortunate. This is why Brandon chose to trust this fellow member with his hard earned cash, to purchase what he thought was a good deal on a nearly new winch. We continually post and read about our good experiences with one another, it is easy to forget that all people are not necessarly honest and not always good people. There are those who will and do take advantage of every oportunity. It is really a shame to believe that there are those type of people in within this group, but this seems to be the case.
Several phone calls were placed to the seller in this case, Ray Bratton, all were answered with a thumb of the nose and a too bad so sad attitude. Brandon even offered to pay half of the repairs of the winch, wow, this is more then he should have had to do!!! The seller offered a nearly new product, (Used Once!), any reasonable person would expect a working item. If I for one were to buy a product under these circumstances, I would expect my money back in no uncertain terms.
Should the buyer beware, absolutely! Should you be more trusting of people within our group, I would like the answer to be absolutely! We obviously do not know every member so we must do what we can to watch out for each other. Now that we know this type of person is out there, we must remember and encourage our fellow members to be careful when buying and be honest when selling. I don't know if any other members know Ray Bratton, but if they do, I would hope they would pick up the phone and encourage him to do the right thing. For those of us who do not know him, we do now....unfortunately!
Maybe we need to have a list like E-Bay, with good and bad experiences for buying and selling. I'm just thinking out loud, I realize there are problems with this idea. This hurts us all and I for one will not forget this in the future.
JMHO
Brad
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76840 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:55pm
Subject: RE: Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
All.........
Another issue re Sycamore Clean up............... this mess is, for the
most part, OHV mess so we truly do need to be responsible with this.
The other issue is I NEED you all to show because I've been working with the
Tonto NF for a year now in trying to get them to apply for a grant to allow
US to build a "play area" (kiosk of information, tables, potties, tire pit,
log climb, rock crawl, etc.....) in this area, leaving the management and
control to US !!!!! The responsible recreationist will have to step up and
start EDUCATING the newbies!............. If we don't do something like
this the area WILL be closed.
Closure, IMO, is a stupid solution simply because these guys will simply
move down the road a mile and start all over again. The area is already
destroyed................ how about us making this into a "play area" for
all?
It's going to take some numbers to show FS we can put our actions where our
mouth is! JOIN IN.......
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nasser [mailto:nasser88@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:21 PM
> To: Michael Wixom; RockRats@yahoogroups. Com; Az_Vjc; Hackle
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
> Importance: High
>
>
> Folks,
>
> Mike and Jim are very correct. We only have 11 members signed up as a
> definite. We need to get some more to join the clean up at Sycamore Creek
> area. How about it? There isn't another cleanup scheduled for a while.
> Let's see if we can get at least 50.
>
> There are some important land issues being discussed and decided on these
> days, and when we (the OHV community) show our involvement like we did at
> Table Mesa, the agencies take us more seriously and count us a
> credible user
> and resource group. That is why they are starting to listen to us, and
> hopefully act in our favor.
>
> It is imperative to have a strong showing at Sycamore. Just volunteering
> for a few hours this Saturday will go a long way!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nasser
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Wixom [mailto:h8pvmnt@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:10 PM
> To: RockRats@yahoogroups. Com; Az_Vjc; Hackle
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
>
> I would like to reiterate how important this one is, please find
> some time
> to show up for this clean-up. It is very important to the continued use of
> this area.
>
> Mike Wixom
> 85 CJ-7
> Member of:
> AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
> ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
> Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
> United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
> To: "RockRats@yahoogroups. Com" <RockRats@yahoogroups.com>; "Az_Vjc"
> <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:25 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
>
>
> > I know that we just completed the clean-up at Table Mesa on Sat. but we
> > have another one scheduled for next weekend. Unlike Table Mesa where we
> > cleaned up mostly shooters trash this area is pretty much a mess by OHV
> > users. A trip sign up is available on the web site along with
> all the info
> > required. The Forest Service is thinking about closing this area to OHV
> use
> > we need a strong showing to help change there minds. Jim F.
> >
> > "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
> > Marx
> > Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
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76841 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:05pm
Subject: RE: RE: SWR Meter
Dan,
If you live on the west side of town or want to stop by, I can calibrate
it for you. I have a meter and would be happy to explain it to you
while we do it. Glad to help out.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Dennis <dannpegg@c...> [mailto:dannpegg@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:59 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] RE: SWR Meter
How does this thing work? I bought and installed a CB a few months ago
(First Timer!!!) and the Firestick package mentioned calibrating it,
but doesn't give any info at all about how or where to find info on
it. How much does the meter cost?
Dan (AZ Treadhead)
'97 TJ (BRUZR) in LHC
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76842 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...> <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:17pm
Subject: Custom Exhaust Shop
What was the place on the east side that does the custom exhaust
work? I am just about done with my tri-link rear upper control arms
and I need to re-route the exhaust before I can put it on. I
remember a little while back someone recommended a shop that did
custom work. Hook a brother up! :) Thanks!!! -Rob
76843 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:21pm
Subject: RE:
Max&.it wont fit on the spring pad correctly.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:19 PM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc]
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
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76844 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:50pm
Subject: trail info
Yoy might want to do a little checking before trying to get to
reymert. The entrence to reymert mine off of US 60 east of Gonzales
pass on the right hand side of the road is gated. The gate is new, I
was there back in April or May of 2002 and there was no gate. The
road that leads from Mineral mountain road to Reymert mine is now
Bulldozed this trail leads past the LULU 2 mine, down a rocky wash
and then up a off camber hill. I have not been able to find another
way in.
John Greenawalt
76845 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:52pm
Subject: Re: trail info
There are some claims around Reymert, but no active mining. The more recent
mining activity is on the other side of the mountain to the east.
At Reymert, the remnants of the mill are there, but that's about it. Last
time I was there (2-3 yrs ago or so), it was readily accessible, but you can
drive right by it if you're not looking.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" <bill@j...>
To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Sandee McCullen"
<mccullen@c...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] trail info
> I just did some quick checking and I didn't realize there was a ghost town
> there years ago. Sounds like they bulldozed most of it in the 70's but
there
> may be a building partially left. If it's open it would be fun to go check
> it out and take pictures.
>
> http://www.swlink.net/~pjcat/ghost.html
>
> Thanks for checking into it Sandee.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] trail info
>
>
> > The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of years.
At
> > one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since disappeared.
Re
> > the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining again.......... I'm
> not
> > sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they miner
does
> > have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see what the
> > status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal with Tucson
> and
> > these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the facts"
> > either!
> >
> > Sandee
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> > >
> > >
> > > On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> > > mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> > > Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now there
> > > is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> > > anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> > > trespassing on there property.
> > >
> > >
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76846 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:50pm
Subject: Re:
No you don't want to do that spring rates would be different and the ride would be horrible. You don't want to go too high with out some sort of long arm, the arms get to steep of angle. I now have f-150 springs at all 4 corners with other mod's to get about 12 in. of lift, rides pretty nice. But I also don't drive on the street very often, 39.5s+full width axles a bit much to handle.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:27 PM
To: Edward Timmsen; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
So if I put my 4" front springs in back I should get 7" and then I'll need f150 springs for the front to match?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: Michael Beckham ; az_vjc
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
Hey Michael,
You end up with 3 in. of lift. I had this on my jeep from 97 till 01 road great. I made a 3 in. spacer for the front, with correct shocks it'll ramp about 950. The f-r springs rate is almost the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc]
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
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76847 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:00pm
Subject: trail info
I think were on the same page here. The entrence I am talking about
is on the right hand side of the road East of Gonzales pass. There
is a windmill at the turn off.
John Greenawalt
There are some claims around Reymert, but no active mining. The more
recent
mining activity is on the other side of the mountain to the east.
At Reymert, the remnants of the mill are there, but that's about it.
Last
time I was there (2-3 yrs ago or so), it was readily accessible, but
you can
drive right by it if you're not looking.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" <bill@j...>
To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Sandee McCullen"
<mccullen@c...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] trail info
> I just did some quick checking and I didn't realize there was a
ghost town
> there years ago. Sounds like they bulldozed most of it in the 70's
but
there
> may be a building partially left. If it's open it would be fun to
go check
> it out and take pictures.
>
> http://www.swlink.net/~pjcat/ghost.html
>
> Thanks for checking into it Sandee.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] trail info
>
>
> > The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of
years.
At
> > one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since
disappeared.
Re
> > the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining
again.......... I'm
> not
> > sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they
miner
does
> > have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see
what the
> > status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal
with Tucson
> and
> > these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the
facts"
> > either!
> >
> > Sandee
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> > >
> > >
> > > On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with
the
> > > mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass
in
> > > Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now
there
> > > is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into
there. Does
> > > anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> > > trespassing on there property.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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76848 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:59pm
Subject: Re: Aaron bought a flat fender!
Don't change it!!
A 47 in mint condition is something to be restored, not modified.
These older Willys are getting harder and harder to find, it would be a
shame to waste one when a cj5 or 7 can be gotten for the same money, they
are a lot more common, and a lot easier to modify. Parts are more readily
available ( both aftermarket and stock).
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
----- Original Message -----
From: <ridetimeless158@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:47 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Aaron bought a flat fender!
> Hey all, first off I wanted to let everyone know that you are he best
> group of people it's ever been my pleasure to meet, to explain the
> fact that I dropped off the face ofthe earth.... I moved back home to
> WA state to become a part of our family tradition (Des Moines P.D.).
> However lo and behold I came across a SMOKING deal for a 47 CJ2A in
> mint condition 1500!!!!! i'm curious if anyone has any experience
> with the suspension on this old of a jeep.. I know I want to get rid
> of the small leaf packs and go to either YJ springs or ZJ coils
> either way I NEED HELP!!! If anyone has any info I would greatly
> appreciate it.
> Aaron
> '89 XJ
> '47 CJ2A
>
>
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76849 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:02pm
Subject: Re:
Stu,
You are right it is off center but if you drill the pad and put a clamp around the spring and bolt it down it works just fine.---- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:50 PM
To: ettrans@msn.com
Subject: FW: [az_vjc]
Edward,
How did you manage to get the front springs to fit properly on the rear spring pads? The coil size is not the same.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:27 PM
To: Edward Timmsen; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
So if I put my 4" front springs in back I should get 7" and then I'll need f150 springs for the front to match?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: Michael Beckham ; az_vjc
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc]
Hey Michael,
You end up with 3 in. of lift. I had this on my jeep from 97 till 01 road great. I made a 3 in. spacer for the front, with correct shocks it'll ramp about 950. The f-r springs rate is almost the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc]
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
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76850 From: Brad Weikert <a292@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:19pm
Subject: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
Hello;
Have you checked the toe in? If the front tires have too little toe in or
especially if they have any toe out at all it can act like you describe,
not just with ruts in the road though. If they have any toe out the
vehicle will try to follow whichever tire happens to have the most traction
at the time. Also check for loose or worn front wheel bearings.
Have you tried rotating your tires (put the rear tires up front)?
Just my 2¢
Have a good day
Brad
----- Original Message -----
> Question #2:
> Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel
>free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut
>in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76
>CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going
>straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at
>45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else
>experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i
>feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence...
>( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
76851 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:30pm
Subject: Re: trail info
That may be the exit (or entrance) trail at US60. Reymert itself is in a
canyon off a wash road, on the west side/slope of the hills/mountains. The
quickest way there is to take Mineral Mountain Road (off of US 60 - east of
FJ). Head south on MM, and when you drop down a small hill and get to the
first cattle guard (I think it's the first), by a large mesquite tree,
you'll need to head left (easterly) into a wash. The wash is the old Reymert
Rd. Follow that wash/road a ways, and keep an eye on the right for a stone
masonry embankment...wish supports the road turn off to Reymert. You have to
make a 120* turn up the road and you'll see what's left....remnants of a
brick masonry mill. There are a number of claim stakes around, and some
foundations of buildings, but that's about it. Makes for a nice lunch spot,
though.
To get to where your talking about (before it was apparently blocked), you
go back to the wash and continue up, and you'll come to a steep hill and a
saddle. When I was there a couple of years ago, you could see how they tried
to block the road, but it was no biggie to go up over the berm. The main
mining area is on the other side (eastern side) of the saddle.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <john6612@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> I think were on the same page here. The entrence I am talking about
> is on the right hand side of the road East of Gonzales pass. There
> is a windmill at the turn off.
> John Greenawalt
>
>
>
> There are some claims around Reymert, but no active mining. The more
> recent
> mining activity is on the other side of the mountain to the east.
>
> At Reymert, the remnants of the mill are there, but that's about it.
> Last
> time I was there (2-3 yrs ago or so), it was readily accessible, but
> you can
> drive right by it if you're not looking.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" <bill@j...>
> To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Sandee McCullen"
> <mccullen@c...>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] trail info
>
>
> > I just did some quick checking and I didn't realize there was a
> ghost town
> > there years ago. Sounds like they bulldozed most of it in the 70's
> but
> there
> > may be a building partially left. If it's open it would be fun to
> go check
> > it out and take pictures.
> >
> > http://www.swlink.net/~pjcat/ghost.html
> >
> > Thanks for checking into it Sandee.
> >
> > ---------------
> > Bill Hooven
> > Jeeps Only
> > http://www.jeepsonly.com
> > A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> > To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] trail info
> >
> >
> > > The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of
> years.
> At
> > > one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since
> disappeared.
> Re
> > > the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining
> again.......... I'm
> > not
> > > sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they
> miner
> does
> > > have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see
> what the
> > > status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal
> with Tucson
> > and
> > > these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the
> facts"
> > > either!
> > >
> > > Sandee
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
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> > > > is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into
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> > > > trespassing on there property.
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76852 From: Shaun Girard <spgirard30@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:31pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] '86 CJ7 - Looking 4 REASONABLE engine/tranny swap
I am in the process of building up a 360 AMC V8 for my jeep. I was lucky enough to find a complete motor with all the brackets for 20 bucks. It will bolt right up to your jeep with very few changes. If you plan on doing it this way make sure you find a complete motor because the parts can be hard to find. like the brakets and stuff like that.
Shaun
Tucson
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From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:19 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] '86 CJ7 - Looking 4 REASONABLE engine/tranny swap
I want to swap out my straight 6 for a V8 and mate it to an auto tranny. Anyone have info? I have the cash now so I'm dying to move on this project.
Appreciate any help!!
Manny
Manny Dominguez
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76853 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:41pm
Subject: [FS] '01 TJ WRANGLER SPORT W/ 4" TERAFLEX
Price: a steal at 16,000, KBB value over 18,000
Contact: Brett - 480-227-7413
-black
-24,000 miles
-5 spd. 4.0 6cyl.
-air raid intake
-4 new, 1 used spare 33" bfg mt's
-5 15x10 mickey thompson classic II's
-hitch
-black soft top- tinted windows
-bikini top, rear cover
-original owner, still under warranty
-great jeep
-too many bills force sale
-no problems
-480-227-7413
-bmf1321@excite.com
Brett Fibus
76854 From: Duffy Ladd <dladd5@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:45pm
Subject: Who make the quater circle speaker mounts for the roll bar corners
Help everyone. Can someone on this list tell me who make the speaker pods
that are basically the shape of a quater circle that mount overhead in the
corner of the roll bar where the main hoop and the side bars meet? I'n not
looking for a sound bar just the individual pods that mount in the corners
overhead!
Thanks,
Duffy