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01-07-2004, 10:00 PM
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76805 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:11am
Subject: Re: Steering Box Bracket for CJ
Mr. Lescarbeau,
Although I do appreciate the items you are listing "For Sale" on
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/ , I would strongly
suggest you use the vendor items in the AzVJC.org classified section.
It is clear, to me, that the items you are listing are not
just "extra parts" that are laying around and as a matter of fact it
looks like someone took a bunch of time engineering them.
The Vendor section of AzVJC was specifically design for your types of
parts, just as your parts were design specifically for the vehicles
they fit, not others. Some of us have said, we won't use vendors that
don't stick to the rules of this board. So, if you want more
customers you might want to live by the rules.
Sincerely,
--James Towle
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Al Lescarbeau" <al@b...> wrote:
> Price:$110
>
> Contact: 602-205-6213
>
> This steering box bracket was custom designed to replace the
weak factory bracket on 1976 thru 1986 CJ5 , CJ7 ,and CJ8 jeeps
equipped with factory power steering. It has been fabricated using
laser cut 3/8" steel and precision mig-welded to be virtually
indestructible. The design of the bracket improves onroad/offroad
driveability by eliminating bump-steer as well as frame and factory
bracket flex. No other parts or braces are needed with this bracket
installed. The powder coated finish is charcoal grey and a complete
grade 8 mounting hardware kit is included. This product is new in
box.
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Endress
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76806 From: Patrick <dreamwev@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:14am
Subject: Re: Re: 3/4 elliptic
Tom,
I wouldn't even think of doing a 3/4 set up with the SYE. I have a friend
that did that and ultimately he bent the main shaft and cracked the
tailhousing of the TC because of too much droop in a bad situation.
Once you do your SYE then you do have to deal with some issues. One is the
walking axle problem Roger spoke of. A limiting strap at the shackle works
well for that. Also consider fabbing am anti-kickback shackle too. One that
is almost square to prevent the shackle from locking back against either the
main leaf or the 1/4 leaf. If you end up running spring under I would
recommend leaving the spring clips tight. Without them when the axle droops
on one side the leaf is at such an angle it is VERY easy to bend the main
leaf. If you run it spring over the main leaf is working more in a
horizontal position to resist the forward torque action of the axle.
In all, the 3/4 setup will give you tons of travel in the rear. But it does
come at a cost. It is not simple or low maintanence. I am currently running
a 3/4 setup on my jeep. I do have traction bars for controlling axle
movement though. I am SOA. My use of a 3/4 setup was to increase my wheel
travel that was lost when I installed the traction bars. If ya care to see
it I live in FAR north Phoenix.
Patrick
P.S. Roger, Who were you referring to that had a 3/4 setup? hehe
----- Original Message -----
From: <tomasr@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 3/4 elliptic
> Tom,
>
> I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read about 3/4
> set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up getting
> more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount under
> your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional droop you'll
> get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
>
> Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to try to
> walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward. At a
> minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst, you'll
> break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with a 3/4 set-
> up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the rig on one
> corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
>
> As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-up. But
> keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I have no first-
> hand experience.
>
> Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube diameter of
> the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose will be
> equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between your
> current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for any
> difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my front 44, I
> lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from shorter spring
> perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm also SUA).
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson" <tjacobson@t...> wrote:
> > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this isn't a
> duplicate)
> >
> > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear of my YJ at
> the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see anything
> really negative about the suspension, but I am still running the
> stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of suspension
> lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any issues with
> the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the rear of
> the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm SUA).
> >
> > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> >
> > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around that
> they'd like to part with???
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom J.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
76807 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:17am
Subject: [FS] TJ flares 6" wide complete set (Steelhorse)
Price: 130.00
Contact: Cannon Mix (Cell 801-580-6361)
I have a set of BRAND NEW plastic flares made by Steel horse. they are in the original box, and brand new, in the plastic. I bought them to use on my YJ, but get too queezy wehn I think of cutting the rear wells apart. they are normally $329.00 I paid 200 for them.
give me a call on my cell @801-580-6361, or email me @ cannonmix@msn.com
Cannon Mix
76808 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:51am
Subject: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
good questions.. suspension is stock and the tires are 285's that were put on by the dealership before i even saw her. street tires... looks like a wussy jeep... but i have big plans!!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
Don't squat with yer spurs on!
----- Original Message -----
From: FredTJ
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
What mods do you have on your Jeep, over pure stock ??
What tires (size) and wheels (size and backspacing) ??
Any lift ??
etc.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: onebdjeep
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:49 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
Ok... so some may have figured out that i am not the smartest person in the world... my wife tells that i am in fact smart... i just lack common sense. (is that supposed to make me feel better?)
Question #1:
I have soft upper doors on my TJ and the zippers realy suck. we had some unexpected bills and now i can't get a new soft top. Does anyone know how to fix these damn zippers or should i just glue the little ****s and be done with it till i can afford the new top?
Question #2:
Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76 CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at 45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence... ( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
thx to all! y'all make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
Don't squat with yer spurs on!
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76809 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 0:51pm
Subject: Re: 3/4 elliptic
Isn't it technically called a "1/4 elliptical" spring, since it
is half of a semicircularly arched leafpack? Just wondering/...
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>" <tomasr@a...>
wrote:
> Tom,
>
> I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read about
3/4
> set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up getting
> more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount under
> your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional droop you'll
> get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
>
> Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to try to
> walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward. At a
> minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst, you'll
> break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with a 3/4
set-
> up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the rig on
one
> corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
>
> As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-up. But
> keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I have no
first-
> hand experience.
>
> Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube diameter of
> the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose will be
> equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between your
> current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for any
> difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my front 44,
I
> lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from shorter
spring
> perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm also SUA).
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson" <tjacobson@t...>
wrote:
> > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this isn't a
> duplicate)
> >
> > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear of my YJ
at
> the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see anything
> really negative about the suspension, but I am still running the
> stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of suspension
> lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any issues
with
> the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the rear of
> the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm SUA).
> >
> > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> >
> > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around that
> they'd like to part with???
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom J.
76810 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> <tomasr@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 0:59pm
Subject: Re: 3/4 elliptic
They are two different things.
1/4 elliptic has half of a leaf spring pack flipped upside down and
attached to the frame at one end and the axle at the other end. This
half of a leaf spring forms 1/4 of an ellipse.
3/4 elliptic has half of a leaf flipped upside down and attached to
the frame at one end and the end of a full leaf spring at the other
end. The half leaf plus the full leaf spring pack together form 3/4
of an ellipse.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
<jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Isn't it technically called a "1/4 elliptical" spring, since
it
> is half of a semicircularly arched leafpack? Just wondering/...
>
> Lachlan
>
>
> In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>" <tomasr@a...>
> wrote:
> > Tom,
> >
> > I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read about
> 3/4
> > set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up
getting
> > more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount under
> > your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional droop
you'll
> > get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
> >
> > Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to try
to
> > walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward. At a
> > minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst,
you'll
> > break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with a 3/4
> set-
> > up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the rig on
> one
> > corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
> >
> > As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-up.
But
> > keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I have no
> first-
> > hand experience.
> >
> > Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube diameter
of
> > the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose will be
> > equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between your
> > current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for any
> > difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my front
44,
> I
> > lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from shorter
> spring
> > perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm also
SUA).
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson" <tjacobson@t...>
> wrote:
> > > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this isn't a
> > duplicate)
> > >
> > > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear of my
YJ
> at
> > the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see
anything
> > really negative about the suspension, but I am still running the
> > stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of
suspension
> > lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any issues
> with
> > the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the rear
of
> > the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm SUA).
> > >
> > > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> > >
> > > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around that
> > they'd like to part with???
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Tom J.
76811 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
If you are talking about a spacer to adapt ZJ rear disks to an XJ/TJ
D44 (that bolt to the flange on the end of the axle tube), they are now
a dealer item. You can use the ones Chrysler makes for the Rubicons.
Chris
On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 05:55 PM, cowboy7575@aol.com wrote:
> Did you use the Eldo calipers from the rear of an Eldo with 4 wheel
> discs? The ones with the parking brake lever that turns a worm gear
> to actuate the piston for your parking brake? I hope you have better
> luck than me and a few other guys I know that did the Warn
> conversion. Those calipers if they are the same ones that we used
> (Warn gave us a choice, Caddy if you wanted or needed and ebrake and
> S-10 if you didnt), are trouble. I went thru 3 sets in 3 years. I
> spoke with several mechanics and two brake shops and they said that
> the Caddy brakes were a problem in the late 70's early 80's when they
> were 1st introduced and remain a problem, one of the reasons GM went
> to a different design. It seems the worm gear gets f'd up and your
> braking power and efficiency deteriorate rapidly if not all of a
> sudden. I got so frustrat! ed with mine I went back to drums (the
> 10' ones from a ZJ) and havent had such good brakes since before I
> did the Warn conversion to my YJ and I have excellent stopping power
> with 35's. I guess if me or someone figures out the spacer problem
> (where to get) and I can figure out what kind of rotor to use with my
> 5x5.5 bolt pattern and full floater with rear locking hubs, I might go
> back to disc's again using the ZJ set up.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Original Message:
>
>
> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:33:04 -0500
> From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@spf.fairchildsemi.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
>
> I did a swap like this last week on an XJ D44 . Pulled the drum
> backing plates and placed spacers behind the flange & seal retainer
> to keep the seal in the same area. Used TJ discs on the outside
> of the flange with Eldo calipers & pads. GM pattern brackets from
> Lou Feger's hold the calipers in place. An absolute breeze of a swap.
>
> -d
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
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76812 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:54pm
Subject: [FS] New Poweraid Throttle Body Spacer
Price: $75.32
Contact: 623-535-7180 Terry
1998 Cherokee XJ
Poweraid Throttle Body Spacer
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All Poweraid kits are manufactured from aircraft quality billet 6061-T6 aluminum and includes all necessary gaskets, hardware and brackets to maintain proper throttle and cruise control geometry. Made in the USA.
Note: Poweraid kits are designed to work only with stock-size throttle bodys.
www.xceleratedperformance.com
Terry Belcher
76813 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 2:38pm
Subject: Re: looking for bike rack for my Jeep bike
Thomas,
Check a good bike store, like Tempe Bicycle on University, most sell good ones. I bought one many years ago that mounted to the bumper, not the receiver hitch. I just mounted it on a hitch and now it fits the receiver and works great. Going to a quality store the Tempe Bicycle will help make sure you don't get one the will break on you at the most in-opportune time :-)
HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
TRobertsRN wrote:
Who makes a good bike rack that will hold 2 bikes that goes into a receiver hitch (2")? Thomas Roberts
78 Cherokee WT, 360 bored 30 over
3" Rough Country Lift
TH4000, 3 in. lift, 33x12.5 all terrains
Custom bumpers and full cage of schedule 40 pipe
Gilbert, AZ
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76814 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:16pm
Subject: Re: 3/4 elliptic
Oh, ok. So which end gets the shackle? It still goes on the
end of the full leafpack that is not attached to the half spring,
right?
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>" <tomasr@a...>
wrote:
> They are two different things.
>
> 1/4 elliptic has half of a leaf spring pack flipped upside down and
> attached to the frame at one end and the axle at the other end.
This
> half of a leaf spring forms 1/4 of an ellipse.
>
> 3/4 elliptic has half of a leaf flipped upside down and attached to
> the frame at one end and the end of a full leaf spring at the other
> end. The half leaf plus the full leaf spring pack together form
3/4
> of an ellipse.
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
> <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> > Isn't it technically called a "1/4 elliptical" spring, since
> it
> > is half of a semicircularly arched leafpack? Just wondering/...
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> > In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
<tomasr@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read
about
> > 3/4
> > > set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up
> getting
> > > more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount
under
> > > your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional droop
> you'll
> > > get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
> > >
> > > Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to try
> to
> > > walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward. At a
> > > minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst,
> you'll
> > > break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with a
3/4
> > set-
> > > up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the rig
on
> > one
> > > corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
> > >
> > > As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-up.
> But
> > > keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I have no
> > first-
> > > hand experience.
> > >
> > > Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube diameter
> of
> > > the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose will
be
> > > equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between your
> > > current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for any
> > > difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my front
> 44,
> > I
> > > lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from shorter
> > spring
> > > perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm also
> SUA).
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson" <tjacobson@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this isn't a
> > > duplicate)
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear of my
> YJ
> > at
> > > the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see
> anything
> > > really negative about the suspension, but I am still running
the
> > > stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of
> suspension
> > > lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any
issues
> > with
> > > the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the rear
> of
> > > the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm SUA).
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> > > >
> > > > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around that
> > > they'd like to part with???
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Tom J.
76815 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:18pm
Subject:
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
76816 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:18pm
Subject: Re: [FS] New Poweraid Throttle Body Spacer
Intersting pricing on his items, ay? $75.32... Where in the
retail world, besides produce, maybe, does one find such odd prices?
Or is he figuring in sales tax and shipping???
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
>
76817 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:19pm
Subject: [Tech] '86 CJ7 - Looking 4 REASONABLE engine/tranny swap
I want to swap out my straight 6 for a V8 and mate it to an auto tranny. Anyone have info? I have the cash now so I'm dying to move on this project.
Appreciate any help!!
Manny
Manny Dominguez
76818 From: ccgaiser <ccgaiser@h...> <ccgaiser@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:26pm
Subject: Re: 3/4 elliptic
I think that is wrong. It goes on the rear and the shackle attaches
to the rear of the whole pack and the short half spring attached to
the frame, that is where the severe droop comes in to play. Most
that I have seen, the owner "locks" the short spring against the
frame on the street and releases it off-road for the major droop.
_____
o
\\
o______0_______o
How is that for a lame ASCII illustration! haha
chris
66 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
<jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Oh, ok. So which end gets the shackle? It still goes on the
> end of the full leafpack that is not attached to the half spring,
> right?
>
> Lachlan
>
>
> In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>" <tomasr@a...>
> wrote:
> > They are two different things.
> >
> > 1/4 elliptic has half of a leaf spring pack flipped upside down
and
> > attached to the frame at one end and the axle at the other end.
> This
> > half of a leaf spring forms 1/4 of an ellipse.
> >
> > 3/4 elliptic has half of a leaf flipped upside down and attached
to
> > the frame at one end and the end of a full leaf spring at the
other
> > end. The half leaf plus the full leaf spring pack together form
> 3/4
> > of an ellipse.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
> > <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> > > Isn't it technically called a "1/4 elliptical" spring,
since
> > it
> > > is half of a semicircularly arched leafpack? Just wondering/...
> > >
> > > Lachlan
> > >
> > >
> > > In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
> <tomasr@a...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Tom,
> > > >
> > > > I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read
> about
> > > 3/4
> > > > set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up
> > getting
> > > > more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount
> under
> > > > your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional droop
> > you'll
> > > > get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
> > > >
> > > > Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to
try
> > to
> > > > walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward. At
a
> > > > minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst,
> > you'll
> > > > break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with a
> 3/4
> > > set-
> > > > up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the
rig
> on
> > > one
> > > > corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
> > > >
> > > > As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-
up.
> > But
> > > > keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I have
no
> > > first-
> > > > hand experience.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube
diameter
> > of
> > > > the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose
will
> be
> > > > equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between
your
> > > > current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for any
> > > > difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my
front
> > 44,
> > > I
> > > > lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from shorter
> > > spring
> > > > perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm also
> > SUA).
> > > >
> > > > -Roger
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson"
<tjacobson@t...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this isn't
a
> > > > duplicate)
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear of
my
> > YJ
> > > at
> > > > the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see
> > anything
> > > > really negative about the suspension, but I am still running
> the
> > > > stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of
> > suspension
> > > > lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any
> issues
> > > with
> > > > the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the
rear
> > of
> > > > the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm SUA).
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> > > > >
> > > > > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around
that
> > > > they'd like to part with???
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Tom J.
76819 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:24pm
Subject: RE: trail info
The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of years. At
one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since disappeared. Re
the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining again.......... I'm not
sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they miner does
have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see what the
status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal with Tucson and
these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the facts"
either!
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
>
>
> On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now there
> is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> trespassing on there property.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
76820 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:42pm
Subject: RE: Re: 3/4 elliptic
Lockland, ;)
3/4 is a half spring mounted to the frame and with a shackle connected
to a full spring.
1/4 is a ~half spring mounted to the frame and the axel rests on the
spring. That's the way I have seen it. Oh and it has a four link setup
to keep the axel under the Jeep.
Are you thinking of upgrading to leafs? :o
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:17 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 3/4 elliptic
Oh, ok. So which end gets the shackle? It still goes on the
end of the full leafpack that is not attached to the half spring,
right?
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>" <tomasr@a...>
wrote:
> They are two different things.
>
> 1/4 elliptic has half of a leaf spring pack flipped upside down and
> attached to the frame at one end and the axle at the other end.
This
> half of a leaf spring forms 1/4 of an ellipse.
>
> 3/4 elliptic has half of a leaf flipped upside down and attached to
> the frame at one end and the end of a full leaf spring at the other
> end. The half leaf plus the full leaf spring pack together form
3/4
> of an ellipse.
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
> <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> > Isn't it technically called a "1/4 elliptical" spring, since
> it
> > is half of a semicircularly arched leafpack? Just wondering/...
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> > In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
<tomasr@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read
about
> > 3/4
> > > set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up
> getting
> > > more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount
under
> > > your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional droop
> you'll
> > > get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
> > >
> > > Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to try
> to
> > > walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward. At a
> > > minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst,
> you'll
> > > break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with a
3/4
> > set-
> > > up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the rig
on
> > one
> > > corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
> > >
> > > As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-up.
> But
> > > keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I have no
> > first-
> > > hand experience.
> > >
> > > Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube diameter
> of
> > > the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose will
be
> > > equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between your
> > > current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for any
> > > difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my front
> 44,
> > I
> > > lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from shorter
> > spring
> > > perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm also
> SUA).
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson" <tjacobson@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this isn't a
> > > duplicate)
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear of my
> YJ
> > at
> > > the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see
> anything
> > > really negative about the suspension, but I am still running
the
> > > stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of
> suspension
> > > lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any
issues
> > with
> > > the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the rear
> of
> > > the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm SUA).
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> > > >
> > > > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around that
> > > they'd like to part with???
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Tom J.
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76821 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:06pm
Subject: trail info
On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
Superior area. You used to be able to drive through there, now there
is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
trespassing on there property.
This gate is new it was put up within the last year. I was there in
april or may or 2002, and there was no gate there. I did find
something on the net about it, but to this day I have been unable to
find that web page again. They also bulldozed a trail that let you
come in from an easterly direction, from mineral mountain road. But
I am 99.9% sure it is the mining area that they closed off. The
mining area itself was pretty big, lots of shafts and some pit
mining.
76822 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:08pm
Subject: Re: trail info
This is like the third or fourth time this has been posted with the same
text, what is up.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
----- Original Message -----
From: <john6612@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> Superior area. You used to be able to drive through there, now there
> is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> trespassing on there property.
>
> This gate is new it was put up within the last year. I was there in
> april or may or 2002, and there was no gate there. I did find
> something on the net about it, but to this day I have been unable to
> find that web page again. They also bulldozed a trail that let you
> come in from an easterly direction, from mineral mountain road. But
> I am 99.9% sure it is the mining area that they closed off. The
> mining area itself was pretty big, lots of shafts and some pit
> mining.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
76823 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:12pm
Subject: trail info
I reposted it, I still have not gotten my answer. Just hit delete to
make it go away.
76824 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:27pm
Subject: trail info
allright i will be patient, i am new to this posting stuff. But i
did add some new info. I have been trying to figure this out for
awhile. I'm actually kinda pissed they closed the road, there was
some intresting sights to check out back in that area. When I was
there originally we only had 2wd, that was the first place I took my
jeep when I bought it. Me and my girl like to do a little
rockhounding also, and that was a good spot to go....
76825 From: Martin Ward <martinida@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:30pm
Subject: Exhaust System
List -
I would like some ideas on what to replace my leaking exhaust. I tried to do a search, but this search engine isn't the easiest to find stuff. I have already tried the dealer and was told I didn't have a leak. Came home taped my air hose to the exhaust pipe and used soapy water. Found a few leaks near the engine, one before the cat and one after the cat. Dealer still says not a leak. Anyway.... I am going to replace my stock exhaust and I would appreciate some input from the group. Input on an aftermarket exhaust not what to do about the *****hole service rep..PLEASE.
Thanks,
Martin
97' TJ
6 cyl
76826 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:25pm
Subject: Re:
Hey Michael,
You end up with 3 in. of lift. I had this on my jeep from 97 till 01 road great. I made a 3 in. spacer for the front, with correct shocks it'll ramp about 950. The f-r springs rate is almost the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc]
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
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76827 From: warm_arizona <warm_arizona@y...> <warm_arizona@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:35pm
Subject: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
I have found my other <non-Jeep> vehicle following the
longitudinal "rain grooves" that are sometimes found in freeway
concrete. I have attributed it to extremely non-agressive tire
tread. The tread on my truck tires is almost straight through and I
think just tracks the grooves in the road (which are not nearly
linear).
I don't know if these are the type of ruts you are referring to, but
my $0.02.
Greg
90YJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> good questions.. suspension is stock and the tires are 285's that
were put on by the dealership before i even saw her. street tires...
looks like a wussy jeep... but i have big plans!!
>
>
> Sean Speer
> OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> Don't squat with yer spurs on!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: FredTJ
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
>
>
> What mods do you have on your Jeep, over pure stock ??
> What tires (size) and wheels (size and backspacing) ??
> Any lift ??
> etc.
>
> Best,
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: onebdjeep
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:49 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
>
>
> Ok... so some may have figured out that i am not the smartest
person in the world... my wife tells that i am in fact smart... i
just lack common sense. (is that supposed to make me feel better?)
>
> Question #1:
> I have soft upper doors on my TJ and the zippers realy suck. we
had some unexpected bills and now i can't get a new soft top. Does
anyone know how to fix these damn zippers or should i just glue the
little ****s and be done with it till i can afford the new top?
>
> Question #2:
> Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel
free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut
in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76
CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going
straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at
45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else
experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i
feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence...
( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
>
> thx to all! y'all make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!
>
>
> Sean Speer
> OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> Don't squat with yer spurs on!
>
>
>
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76828 From: Bill - Jeeps Only <bill@j...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:16pm
Subject: Re: trail info
I just did some quick checking and I didn't realize there was a ghost town
there years ago. Sounds like they bulldozed most of it in the 70's but there
may be a building partially left. If it's open it would be fun to go check
it out and take pictures.
http://www.swlink.net/~pjcat/ghost.html
Thanks for checking into it Sandee.
---------------
Bill Hooven
Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] trail info
> The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of years. At
> one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since disappeared. Re
> the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining again.......... I'm
not
> sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they miner does
> have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see what the
> status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal with Tucson
and
> these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the facts"
> either!
>
> Sandee
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> >
> >
> > On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> > mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> > Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now there
> > is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> > anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> > trespassing on there property.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
76829 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:22pm
Subject: Re: Exhaust System
Martin,
If you are on the West side, go see:
Muffler Masters, INC.
6822 N. 55th Dr. (just south of Glendale Ave.)
Glendale, AZ 85301
Phone #: 623 939 5733
They do a very good job and are pretty reasonable.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
Martin Ward wrote:
List - I would like some ideas on what to replace my leaking exhaust. I tried to do a search, but this search engine isn't the easiest to find stuff. I have already tried the dealer and was told I didn't have a leak. Came home taped my air hose to the exhaust pipe and used soapy water. Found a few leaks near the engine, one before the cat and one after the cat. Dealer still says not a leak. Anyway.... I am going to replace my stock exhaust and I would appreciate some input from the group. Input on an aftermarket exhaust not what to do about the *****hole service rep..PLEASE. Thanks,Martin97' TJ6 cyl
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76805 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:11am
Subject: Re: Steering Box Bracket for CJ
Mr. Lescarbeau,
Although I do appreciate the items you are listing "For Sale" on
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/ , I would strongly
suggest you use the vendor items in the AzVJC.org classified section.
It is clear, to me, that the items you are listing are not
just "extra parts" that are laying around and as a matter of fact it
looks like someone took a bunch of time engineering them.
The Vendor section of AzVJC was specifically design for your types of
parts, just as your parts were design specifically for the vehicles
they fit, not others. Some of us have said, we won't use vendors that
don't stick to the rules of this board. So, if you want more
customers you might want to live by the rules.
Sincerely,
--James Towle
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Al Lescarbeau" <al@b...> wrote:
> Price:$110
>
> Contact: 602-205-6213
>
> This steering box bracket was custom designed to replace the
weak factory bracket on 1976 thru 1986 CJ5 , CJ7 ,and CJ8 jeeps
equipped with factory power steering. It has been fabricated using
laser cut 3/8" steel and precision mig-welded to be virtually
indestructible. The design of the bracket improves onroad/offroad
driveability by eliminating bump-steer as well as frame and factory
bracket flex. No other parts or braces are needed with this bracket
installed. The powder coated finish is charcoal grey and a complete
grade 8 mounting hardware kit is included. This product is new in
box.
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Endress
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76806 From: Patrick <dreamwev@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:14am
Subject: Re: Re: 3/4 elliptic
Tom,
I wouldn't even think of doing a 3/4 set up with the SYE. I have a friend
that did that and ultimately he bent the main shaft and cracked the
tailhousing of the TC because of too much droop in a bad situation.
Once you do your SYE then you do have to deal with some issues. One is the
walking axle problem Roger spoke of. A limiting strap at the shackle works
well for that. Also consider fabbing am anti-kickback shackle too. One that
is almost square to prevent the shackle from locking back against either the
main leaf or the 1/4 leaf. If you end up running spring under I would
recommend leaving the spring clips tight. Without them when the axle droops
on one side the leaf is at such an angle it is VERY easy to bend the main
leaf. If you run it spring over the main leaf is working more in a
horizontal position to resist the forward torque action of the axle.
In all, the 3/4 setup will give you tons of travel in the rear. But it does
come at a cost. It is not simple or low maintanence. I am currently running
a 3/4 setup on my jeep. I do have traction bars for controlling axle
movement though. I am SOA. My use of a 3/4 setup was to increase my wheel
travel that was lost when I installed the traction bars. If ya care to see
it I live in FAR north Phoenix.
Patrick
P.S. Roger, Who were you referring to that had a 3/4 setup? hehe
----- Original Message -----
From: <tomasr@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 3/4 elliptic
> Tom,
>
> I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read about 3/4
> set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up getting
> more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount under
> your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional droop you'll
> get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
>
> Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to try to
> walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward. At a
> minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst, you'll
> break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with a 3/4 set-
> up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the rig on one
> corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
>
> As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-up. But
> keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I have no first-
> hand experience.
>
> Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube diameter of
> the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose will be
> equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between your
> current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for any
> difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my front 44, I
> lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from shorter spring
> perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm also SUA).
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson" <tjacobson@t...> wrote:
> > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this isn't a
> duplicate)
> >
> > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear of my YJ at
> the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see anything
> really negative about the suspension, but I am still running the
> stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of suspension
> lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any issues with
> the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the rear of
> the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm SUA).
> >
> > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> >
> > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around that
> they'd like to part with???
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom J.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
76807 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:17am
Subject: [FS] TJ flares 6" wide complete set (Steelhorse)
Price: 130.00
Contact: Cannon Mix (Cell 801-580-6361)
I have a set of BRAND NEW plastic flares made by Steel horse. they are in the original box, and brand new, in the plastic. I bought them to use on my YJ, but get too queezy wehn I think of cutting the rear wells apart. they are normally $329.00 I paid 200 for them.
give me a call on my cell @801-580-6361, or email me @ cannonmix@msn.com
Cannon Mix
76808 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:51am
Subject: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
good questions.. suspension is stock and the tires are 285's that were put on by the dealership before i even saw her. street tires... looks like a wussy jeep... but i have big plans!!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
Don't squat with yer spurs on!
----- Original Message -----
From: FredTJ
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
What mods do you have on your Jeep, over pure stock ??
What tires (size) and wheels (size and backspacing) ??
Any lift ??
etc.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: onebdjeep
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:49 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
Ok... so some may have figured out that i am not the smartest person in the world... my wife tells that i am in fact smart... i just lack common sense. (is that supposed to make me feel better?)
Question #1:
I have soft upper doors on my TJ and the zippers realy suck. we had some unexpected bills and now i can't get a new soft top. Does anyone know how to fix these damn zippers or should i just glue the little ****s and be done with it till i can afford the new top?
Question #2:
Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76 CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at 45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence... ( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
thx to all! y'all make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
Don't squat with yer spurs on!
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76809 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 0:51pm
Subject: Re: 3/4 elliptic
Isn't it technically called a "1/4 elliptical" spring, since it
is half of a semicircularly arched leafpack? Just wondering/...
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>" <tomasr@a...>
wrote:
> Tom,
>
> I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read about
3/4
> set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up getting
> more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount under
> your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional droop you'll
> get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
>
> Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to try to
> walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward. At a
> minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst, you'll
> break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with a 3/4
set-
> up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the rig on
one
> corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
>
> As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-up. But
> keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I have no
first-
> hand experience.
>
> Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube diameter of
> the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose will be
> equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between your
> current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for any
> difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my front 44,
I
> lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from shorter
spring
> perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm also SUA).
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson" <tjacobson@t...>
wrote:
> > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this isn't a
> duplicate)
> >
> > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear of my YJ
at
> the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see anything
> really negative about the suspension, but I am still running the
> stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of suspension
> lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any issues
with
> the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the rear of
> the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm SUA).
> >
> > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> >
> > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around that
> they'd like to part with???
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom J.
76810 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> <tomasr@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 0:59pm
Subject: Re: 3/4 elliptic
They are two different things.
1/4 elliptic has half of a leaf spring pack flipped upside down and
attached to the frame at one end and the axle at the other end. This
half of a leaf spring forms 1/4 of an ellipse.
3/4 elliptic has half of a leaf flipped upside down and attached to
the frame at one end and the end of a full leaf spring at the other
end. The half leaf plus the full leaf spring pack together form 3/4
of an ellipse.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
<jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Isn't it technically called a "1/4 elliptical" spring, since
it
> is half of a semicircularly arched leafpack? Just wondering/...
>
> Lachlan
>
>
> In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>" <tomasr@a...>
> wrote:
> > Tom,
> >
> > I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read about
> 3/4
> > set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up
getting
> > more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount under
> > your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional droop
you'll
> > get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
> >
> > Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to try
to
> > walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward. At a
> > minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst,
you'll
> > break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with a 3/4
> set-
> > up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the rig on
> one
> > corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
> >
> > As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-up.
But
> > keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I have no
> first-
> > hand experience.
> >
> > Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube diameter
of
> > the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose will be
> > equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between your
> > current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for any
> > difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my front
44,
> I
> > lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from shorter
> spring
> > perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm also
SUA).
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson" <tjacobson@t...>
> wrote:
> > > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this isn't a
> > duplicate)
> > >
> > > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear of my
YJ
> at
> > the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see
anything
> > really negative about the suspension, but I am still running the
> > stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of
suspension
> > lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any issues
> with
> > the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the rear
of
> > the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm SUA).
> > >
> > > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> > >
> > > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around that
> > they'd like to part with???
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Tom J.
76811 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
If you are talking about a spacer to adapt ZJ rear disks to an XJ/TJ
D44 (that bolt to the flange on the end of the axle tube), they are now
a dealer item. You can use the ones Chrysler makes for the Rubicons.
Chris
On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 05:55 PM, cowboy7575@aol.com wrote:
> Did you use the Eldo calipers from the rear of an Eldo with 4 wheel
> discs? The ones with the parking brake lever that turns a worm gear
> to actuate the piston for your parking brake? I hope you have better
> luck than me and a few other guys I know that did the Warn
> conversion. Those calipers if they are the same ones that we used
> (Warn gave us a choice, Caddy if you wanted or needed and ebrake and
> S-10 if you didnt), are trouble. I went thru 3 sets in 3 years. I
> spoke with several mechanics and two brake shops and they said that
> the Caddy brakes were a problem in the late 70's early 80's when they
> were 1st introduced and remain a problem, one of the reasons GM went
> to a different design. It seems the worm gear gets f'd up and your
> braking power and efficiency deteriorate rapidly if not all of a
> sudden. I got so frustrat! ed with mine I went back to drums (the
> 10' ones from a ZJ) and havent had such good brakes since before I
> did the Warn conversion to my YJ and I have excellent stopping power
> with 35's. I guess if me or someone figures out the spacer problem
> (where to get) and I can figure out what kind of rotor to use with my
> 5x5.5 bolt pattern and full floater with rear locking hubs, I might go
> back to disc's again using the ZJ set up.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Original Message:
>
>
> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:33:04 -0500
> From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@spf.fairchildsemi.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
>
> I did a swap like this last week on an XJ D44 . Pulled the drum
> backing plates and placed spacers behind the flange & seal retainer
> to keep the seal in the same area. Used TJ discs on the outside
> of the flange with Eldo calipers & pads. GM pattern brackets from
> Lou Feger's hold the calipers in place. An absolute breeze of a swap.
>
> -d
>
>
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>
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76812 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:54pm
Subject: [FS] New Poweraid Throttle Body Spacer
Price: $75.32
Contact: 623-535-7180 Terry
1998 Cherokee XJ
Poweraid Throttle Body Spacer
The Poweraid TBS concept was developed to enhance mid-range power, torque and fuel efficiency. The unique dyno-proven "Helix Bore" causes a spinning action of the incoming air-charge, as it passes through the throttle body. This extremely beneficial air-charge carries all the way into the combustion chamber, producing tremendous gains in mid-range power and overall efficiency.
All Poweraid kits are manufactured from aircraft quality billet 6061-T6 aluminum and includes all necessary gaskets, hardware and brackets to maintain proper throttle and cruise control geometry. Made in the USA.
Note: Poweraid kits are designed to work only with stock-size throttle bodys.
www.xceleratedperformance.com
Terry Belcher
76813 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 2:38pm
Subject: Re: looking for bike rack for my Jeep bike
Thomas,
Check a good bike store, like Tempe Bicycle on University, most sell good ones. I bought one many years ago that mounted to the bumper, not the receiver hitch. I just mounted it on a hitch and now it fits the receiver and works great. Going to a quality store the Tempe Bicycle will help make sure you don't get one the will break on you at the most in-opportune time :-)
HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
TRobertsRN wrote:
Who makes a good bike rack that will hold 2 bikes that goes into a receiver hitch (2")? Thomas Roberts
78 Cherokee WT, 360 bored 30 over
3" Rough Country Lift
TH4000, 3 in. lift, 33x12.5 all terrains
Custom bumpers and full cage of schedule 40 pipe
Gilbert, AZ
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76814 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:16pm
Subject: Re: 3/4 elliptic
Oh, ok. So which end gets the shackle? It still goes on the
end of the full leafpack that is not attached to the half spring,
right?
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>" <tomasr@a...>
wrote:
> They are two different things.
>
> 1/4 elliptic has half of a leaf spring pack flipped upside down and
> attached to the frame at one end and the axle at the other end.
This
> half of a leaf spring forms 1/4 of an ellipse.
>
> 3/4 elliptic has half of a leaf flipped upside down and attached to
> the frame at one end and the end of a full leaf spring at the other
> end. The half leaf plus the full leaf spring pack together form
3/4
> of an ellipse.
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
> <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> > Isn't it technically called a "1/4 elliptical" spring, since
> it
> > is half of a semicircularly arched leafpack? Just wondering/...
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> > In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
<tomasr@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read
about
> > 3/4
> > > set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up
> getting
> > > more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount
under
> > > your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional droop
> you'll
> > > get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
> > >
> > > Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to try
> to
> > > walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward. At a
> > > minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst,
> you'll
> > > break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with a
3/4
> > set-
> > > up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the rig
on
> > one
> > > corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
> > >
> > > As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-up.
> But
> > > keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I have no
> > first-
> > > hand experience.
> > >
> > > Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube diameter
> of
> > > the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose will
be
> > > equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between your
> > > current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for any
> > > difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my front
> 44,
> > I
> > > lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from shorter
> > spring
> > > perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm also
> SUA).
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson" <tjacobson@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this isn't a
> > > duplicate)
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear of my
> YJ
> > at
> > > the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see
> anything
> > > really negative about the suspension, but I am still running
the
> > > stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of
> suspension
> > > lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any
issues
> > with
> > > the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the rear
> of
> > > the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm SUA).
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> > > >
> > > > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around that
> > > they'd like to part with???
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Tom J.
76815 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:18pm
Subject:
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
76816 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:18pm
Subject: Re: [FS] New Poweraid Throttle Body Spacer
Intersting pricing on his items, ay? $75.32... Where in the
retail world, besides produce, maybe, does one find such odd prices?
Or is he figuring in sales tax and shipping???
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
>
76817 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:19pm
Subject: [Tech] '86 CJ7 - Looking 4 REASONABLE engine/tranny swap
I want to swap out my straight 6 for a V8 and mate it to an auto tranny. Anyone have info? I have the cash now so I'm dying to move on this project.
Appreciate any help!!
Manny
Manny Dominguez
76818 From: ccgaiser <ccgaiser@h...> <ccgaiser@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:26pm
Subject: Re: 3/4 elliptic
I think that is wrong. It goes on the rear and the shackle attaches
to the rear of the whole pack and the short half spring attached to
the frame, that is where the severe droop comes in to play. Most
that I have seen, the owner "locks" the short spring against the
frame on the street and releases it off-road for the major droop.
_____
o
\\
o______0_______o
How is that for a lame ASCII illustration! haha
chris
66 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
<jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Oh, ok. So which end gets the shackle? It still goes on the
> end of the full leafpack that is not attached to the half spring,
> right?
>
> Lachlan
>
>
> In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>" <tomasr@a...>
> wrote:
> > They are two different things.
> >
> > 1/4 elliptic has half of a leaf spring pack flipped upside down
and
> > attached to the frame at one end and the axle at the other end.
> This
> > half of a leaf spring forms 1/4 of an ellipse.
> >
> > 3/4 elliptic has half of a leaf flipped upside down and attached
to
> > the frame at one end and the end of a full leaf spring at the
other
> > end. The half leaf plus the full leaf spring pack together form
> 3/4
> > of an ellipse.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
> > <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> > > Isn't it technically called a "1/4 elliptical" spring,
since
> > it
> > > is half of a semicircularly arched leafpack? Just wondering/...
> > >
> > > Lachlan
> > >
> > >
> > > In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
> <tomasr@a...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Tom,
> > > >
> > > > I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read
> about
> > > 3/4
> > > > set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up
> > getting
> > > > more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount
> under
> > > > your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional droop
> > you'll
> > > > get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
> > > >
> > > > Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to
try
> > to
> > > > walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward. At
a
> > > > minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst,
> > you'll
> > > > break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with a
> 3/4
> > > set-
> > > > up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the
rig
> on
> > > one
> > > > corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
> > > >
> > > > As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-
up.
> > But
> > > > keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I have
no
> > > first-
> > > > hand experience.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube
diameter
> > of
> > > > the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose
will
> be
> > > > equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between
your
> > > > current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for any
> > > > difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my
front
> > 44,
> > > I
> > > > lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from shorter
> > > spring
> > > > perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm also
> > SUA).
> > > >
> > > > -Roger
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson"
<tjacobson@t...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this isn't
a
> > > > duplicate)
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear of
my
> > YJ
> > > at
> > > > the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see
> > anything
> > > > really negative about the suspension, but I am still running
> the
> > > > stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of
> > suspension
> > > > lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any
> issues
> > > with
> > > > the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the
rear
> > of
> > > > the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm SUA).
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> > > > >
> > > > > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around
that
> > > > they'd like to part with???
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Tom J.
76819 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:24pm
Subject: RE: trail info
The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of years. At
one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since disappeared. Re
the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining again.......... I'm not
sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they miner does
have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see what the
status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal with Tucson and
these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the facts"
either!
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
>
>
> On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now there
> is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> trespassing on there property.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
76820 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:42pm
Subject: RE: Re: 3/4 elliptic
Lockland, ;)
3/4 is a half spring mounted to the frame and with a shackle connected
to a full spring.
1/4 is a ~half spring mounted to the frame and the axel rests on the
spring. That's the way I have seen it. Oh and it has a four link setup
to keep the axel under the Jeep.
Are you thinking of upgrading to leafs? :o
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:17 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 3/4 elliptic
Oh, ok. So which end gets the shackle? It still goes on the
end of the full leafpack that is not attached to the half spring,
right?
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>" <tomasr@a...>
wrote:
> They are two different things.
>
> 1/4 elliptic has half of a leaf spring pack flipped upside down and
> attached to the frame at one end and the axle at the other end.
This
> half of a leaf spring forms 1/4 of an ellipse.
>
> 3/4 elliptic has half of a leaf flipped upside down and attached to
> the frame at one end and the end of a full leaf spring at the other
> end. The half leaf plus the full leaf spring pack together form
3/4
> of an ellipse.
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>"
> <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> > Isn't it technically called a "1/4 elliptical" spring, since
> it
> > is half of a semicircularly arched leafpack? Just wondering/...
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> > In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
<tomasr@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > I don't run a 3/4 but have a friend that did and have read
about
> > 3/4
> > > set-ups on the internet. First, you'll most likely end up
> getting
> > > more lift from the 1/4 leaf since it will most likely mount
under
> > > your frame. That lift coupled with all the additional droop
> you'll
> > > get will force you to do the SYE/CV shaft mod.
> > >
> > > Second, the 3/4 set-up makes it easier for the rear axle to try
> to
> > > walk under your rig instead of pushing your rig forward. At a
> > > minimum, you'll end up with more rear steer. At the worst,
> you'll
> > > break something. I once saw a video clip of some Jeep with a
3/4
> > set-
> > > up trying to climb a hill. The rear axle walked under the rig
on
> > one
> > > corner causing the rig to lean back and roll over.
> > >
> > > As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 set-up.
> But
> > > keep in mind that I speak somewhat naively about it. I have no
> > first-
> > > hand experience.
> > >
> > > Regarding the loss of lift due to the larger axle tube diameter
> of
> > > the 8.8, that is correct. The amount of lift you'll lose will
be
> > > equal to the difference in radius - not diameter - between your
> > > current axle and the 8.8. But you should also check for any
> > > difference in spring perch height. When I swapped in my front
> 44,
> > I
> > > lost 1/4" due to the large tubes but gained 3/4" from shorter
> > spring
> > > perches resulting in a net increase of 1/2" in lift (I'm also
> SUA).
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson" <tjacobson@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > > (I think Groupwise ate my original post, so hope this isn't a
> > > duplicate)
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, am considering doing a 3/4 elliptic on the rear of my
> YJ
> > at
> > > the same time I do my axle swap (D35 to 8.8). I don't see
> anything
> > > really negative about the suspension, but I am still running
the
> > > stock slip yoke and drive shaft. I've got about 4+" of
> suspension
> > > lift (3.5" springs, .5 - .75" shackle). Have not had any
issues
> > with
> > > the d/s so far, and figure the 8.8 will actually lower the rear
> of
> > > the Jeep a bit due to the larger axle tube diameter (I'm SUA).
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone run a 3/4 elliptic before? Any comments?
> > > >
> > > > Lastly...anyone got a spare YJ spring pack laying around that
> > > they'd like to part with???
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Tom J.
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76821 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:06pm
Subject: trail info
On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
Superior area. You used to be able to drive through there, now there
is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
trespassing on there property.
This gate is new it was put up within the last year. I was there in
april or may or 2002, and there was no gate there. I did find
something on the net about it, but to this day I have been unable to
find that web page again. They also bulldozed a trail that let you
come in from an easterly direction, from mineral mountain road. But
I am 99.9% sure it is the mining area that they closed off. The
mining area itself was pretty big, lots of shafts and some pit
mining.
76822 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:08pm
Subject: Re: trail info
This is like the third or fourth time this has been posted with the same
text, what is up.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
----- Original Message -----
From: <john6612@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> Superior area. You used to be able to drive through there, now there
> is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> trespassing on there property.
>
> This gate is new it was put up within the last year. I was there in
> april or may or 2002, and there was no gate there. I did find
> something on the net about it, but to this day I have been unable to
> find that web page again. They also bulldozed a trail that let you
> come in from an easterly direction, from mineral mountain road. But
> I am 99.9% sure it is the mining area that they closed off. The
> mining area itself was pretty big, lots of shafts and some pit
> mining.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
76823 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:12pm
Subject: trail info
I reposted it, I still have not gotten my answer. Just hit delete to
make it go away.
76824 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:27pm
Subject: trail info
allright i will be patient, i am new to this posting stuff. But i
did add some new info. I have been trying to figure this out for
awhile. I'm actually kinda pissed they closed the road, there was
some intresting sights to check out back in that area. When I was
there originally we only had 2wd, that was the first place I took my
jeep when I bought it. Me and my girl like to do a little
rockhounding also, and that was a good spot to go....
76825 From: Martin Ward <martinida@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:30pm
Subject: Exhaust System
List -
I would like some ideas on what to replace my leaking exhaust. I tried to do a search, but this search engine isn't the easiest to find stuff. I have already tried the dealer and was told I didn't have a leak. Came home taped my air hose to the exhaust pipe and used soapy water. Found a few leaks near the engine, one before the cat and one after the cat. Dealer still says not a leak. Anyway.... I am going to replace my stock exhaust and I would appreciate some input from the group. Input on an aftermarket exhaust not what to do about the *****hole service rep..PLEASE.
Thanks,
Martin
97' TJ
6 cyl
76826 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:25pm
Subject: Re:
Hey Michael,
You end up with 3 in. of lift. I had this on my jeep from 97 till 01 road great. I made a 3 in. spacer for the front, with correct shocks it'll ramp about 950. The f-r springs rate is almost the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Beckham
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Jeep club email
Subject: [az_vjc]
My question for the group is
If you put the front coil (stock ) from a TJ in the back, what amount of lift woul it equal, and how hard would it ride? What size spring would you need for the front?
Michael (Max) Beckham
Paradise valley Mortgage Professionals
623-330-8987
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76827 From: warm_arizona <warm_arizona@y...> <warm_arizona@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:35pm
Subject: Re: not the smartest grape on the vine...
I have found my other <non-Jeep> vehicle following the
longitudinal "rain grooves" that are sometimes found in freeway
concrete. I have attributed it to extremely non-agressive tire
tread. The tread on my truck tires is almost straight through and I
think just tracks the grooves in the road (which are not nearly
linear).
I don't know if these are the type of ruts you are referring to, but
my $0.02.
Greg
90YJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> good questions.. suspension is stock and the tires are 285's that
were put on by the dealership before i even saw her. street tires...
looks like a wussy jeep... but i have big plans!!
>
>
> Sean Speer
> OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> Don't squat with yer spurs on!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: FredTJ
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
>
>
> What mods do you have on your Jeep, over pure stock ??
> What tires (size) and wheels (size and backspacing) ??
> Any lift ??
> etc.
>
> Best,
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: onebdjeep
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:49 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] not the smartest grape on the vine...
>
>
> Ok... so some may have figured out that i am not the smartest
person in the world... my wife tells that i am in fact smart... i
just lack common sense. (is that supposed to make me feel better?)
>
> Question #1:
> I have soft upper doors on my TJ and the zippers realy suck. we
had some unexpected bills and now i can't get a new soft top. Does
anyone know how to fix these damn zippers or should i just glue the
little ****s and be done with it till i can afford the new top?
>
> Question #2:
> Maybe Mike Elrond can assist in this one but everyone else feel
free to pipe in - While driving, i notice that my TJ follows the rut
in the road more than any other vehicle i have ever had. even my '76
CJ wasn't this bad. sometimes it's a fight to keep her going
straight... it almost seems like she wants to barrel off the road at
45-50 miles an hour. she must be a real go getter!! Has anyone else
experienced this and if so... do you know what the hell is goin on? i
feel like i'm gonna get pulled over for being under the influence...
( i swear officer... i've only had soda!!!).
>
> thx to all! y'all make me feel warm and fuzzy inside!
>
>
> Sean Speer
> OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> Don't squat with yer spurs on!
>
>
>
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76828 From: Bill - Jeeps Only <bill@j...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:16pm
Subject: Re: trail info
I just did some quick checking and I didn't realize there was a ghost town
there years ago. Sounds like they bulldozed most of it in the 70's but there
may be a building partially left. If it's open it would be fun to go check
it out and take pictures.
http://www.swlink.net/~pjcat/ghost.html
Thanks for checking into it Sandee.
---------------
Bill Hooven
Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] trail info
> The town of Reymert has supposedly been CLOSED for a number of years. At
> one time it was fenced and gated. Those have long since disappeared. Re
> the activity at the mine I've heard they are mining again.......... I'm
not
> sure which you're referring to but if it's the mining area they miner does
> have the right to gate......... I'll do some checking and see what the
> status is but then again you have to remember I have to deal with Tucson
and
> these guys not only "don't know the facts" they "don't tell the facts"
> either!
>
> Sandee
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:58 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] trail info
> >
> >
> > On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> > mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> > Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now there
> > is a gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> > anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> > trespassing on there property.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
76829 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:22pm
Subject: Re: Exhaust System
Martin,
If you are on the West side, go see:
Muffler Masters, INC.
6822 N. 55th Dr. (just south of Glendale Ave.)
Glendale, AZ 85301
Phone #: 623 939 5733
They do a very good job and are pretty reasonable.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
Martin Ward wrote:
List - I would like some ideas on what to replace my leaking exhaust. I tried to do a search, but this search engine isn't the easiest to find stuff. I have already tried the dealer and was told I didn't have a leak. Came home taped my air hose to the exhaust pipe and used soapy water. Found a few leaks near the engine, one before the cat and one after the cat. Dealer still says not a leak. Anyway.... I am going to replace my stock exhaust and I would appreciate some input from the group. Input on an aftermarket exhaust not what to do about the *****hole service rep..PLEASE. Thanks,Martin97' TJ6 cyl
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