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76680-76704
76680 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:33pm
Subject: Looking for work and some trail info
Hi
> I know I shouldn't be asking this, but does anybody out know of any
> company's or people that are hiring for Commercial Electricians, or
> cable or sattelite installers I am pretty much at the end of my
rope
> here, and I am getting desprate for work
> On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now there is
a
> gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> trespassing on there property.
Thanks for the info on allstate energy, called them, but they are
not hiring. Oh Well.........
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76681 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:48pm
Subject: [FS] Rebuilt Carter bbd carb.
Price:
Contact: Irocjt@yahoo.com
Took off the old carter to put on a weber. Curious if there would be any interest in the old card.
The Carb. came off of a 1989 jeep wrangler, it was rebuilt about 3,000 miles ago and was removed due to a nice X-mas present.
I don't have pics, and it would be shipped out of Seattle Washington, but if interested make me an offer.
Jordan
Jordan Townsend
76682 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:35pm
Subject: RE: Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help appreciated
Roger,
I always wondered during my research why I kept hearing different
numbers for the Waggy 44's. Turns out that anything 80 and up with the
drivers side drop is 60.75" WMS. If you convert it to 5 on 5.5" pattern
using Ford parts it will be 61.5" WMS. That's where the discrepencies
come from.
The widetrack numbers you hear about are only for the 79 and older
passenger drop 44's.
Just thought you'd find it interesting.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:23 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help
appreciated
those numbers sound right to me. My Waggy 44 was less than 1" wider
than my YJ Dana 30. I think your 44 with allows and CTM's will be
plenty strong for 37's.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Got the Waggy 44. Here is some interesting numbers I thought I'd
throw
> your way. I'd like to compile a database of these and post them to
the
> website for future reference.
> These numbers are wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting surface.
>
> 61.50" TJ D30 axle with the Warn small 5 on 4.5" hub kit. 60.00" TJ
> stock axle width front and rear 60.75" Waggy 44 axle width
> 59.25" Ford 8.8
>
> Stu runs the small hub kit. His front is now 1.5" wider than the
rear
> 44. The Waggy 44 will be 1.5" wider than the 8.8 so you can't do
much
> better than that for junkyard swaps :D I've been told that being
> slightly wider up front allows the rear to track better on the
trail and
> street
>
> I'm going to get this thing under there and then the next step will
be
> Warn alloys and CTM's. I am going to go ahead and install Dutchman
> alloys in the matching 6 on 5.5" pattern into the 8.8. Should be a
> pretty stout setup for 37's.
>
> Later,
>
> Scott K
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76683 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:57pm
Subject: [FS] 4 33x12.50 BFG Muds
Price: first $200
Contact: ultralite_1234@yahoo.com (602) 604-0299
All 4 tires have 75% tread. 3 of them are in great shape. 1 of them has a piece of rubber missing on lip from when the tire was mounted, and doesnt hold air.
Come look at them.
!!!!!!!!!FIRST 200 TAKES THEM!!!!!!!!!
Kyle Snowberger
76684 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:01pm
Subject: [FS] WANTED-Anything 4x4
Price: let me know what you have and give me a price
Contact: ultralite_1234@yahoo.com
Have something you want to sell. E-mail me and lets talk. I'm building a rockcrawler and need anything 4x4 related.
THX Kyle
Kyle Snowberger
76685 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:08pm
Subject: Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help appreciated
Scott,
The '73 Waggy D44 front was 5-5.5, disc brakes & open knuckle.
'72 was a closed knuckle D44 with drums, also 5-5.5. '74 was where
they went to the 6 lug. Then these have the wrong side pumpkin for
your Jeep, but all I was trying to point out is Jeep did have a 5-5.5
disc.
Those adapters are really ugly, I can see why you wouldn't want to
use them.
Rodger,
I just layed the lug pattern out on AutoCAD, lol. you are right. For
some reason I was thinking the 5's would fit right in the middle of
the 6's.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> I always wondered during my research why I kept hearing different
> numbers for the Waggy 44's. Turns out that anything 80 and up with
the
> drivers side drop is 60.75" WMS. If you convert it to 5 on 5.5"
pattern
> using Ford parts it will be 61.5" WMS. That's where the
discrepencies
> come from.
>
> The widetrack numbers you hear about are only for the 79 and older
> passenger drop 44's.
>
> Just thought you'd find it interesting.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help
> appreciated
>
>
> those numbers sound right to me. My Waggy 44 was less than 1"
wider
> than my YJ Dana 30. I think your 44 with allows and CTM's will be
> plenty strong for 37's.
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Got the Waggy 44. Here is some interesting numbers I thought I'd
> throw
> > your way. I'd like to compile a database of these and post them to
> the
> > website for future reference.
> > These numbers are wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting
surface.
> >
> > 61.50" TJ D30 axle with the Warn small 5 on 4.5" hub kit.
60.00" TJ
> > stock axle width front and rear 60.75" Waggy 44 axle width
> > 59.25" Ford 8.8
> >
> > Stu runs the small hub kit. His front is now 1.5" wider than the
> rear
> > 44. The Waggy 44 will be 1.5" wider than the 8.8 so you can't do
> much
> > better than that for junkyard swaps :D I've been told that being
> > slightly wider up front allows the rear to track better on the
> trail and
> > street
> >
> > I'm going to get this thing under there and then the next step
will
> be
> > Warn alloys and CTM's. I am going to go ahead and install
Dutchman
> > alloys in the matching 6 on 5.5" pattern into the 8.8. Should be
a
> > pretty stout setup for 37's.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Scott K
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
76686 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:15pm
Subject: Looking for work and some trail info
Hi
> I know I shouldn't be asking this, but does anybody out know of any
> company's or people that are hiring for Commercial Electricians, or
> cable or sattelite installers I am pretty much at the end of my
rope
> here, and I am getting desprate for work
> On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now there is
a
> gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> trespassing on there property.
>
76687 From: mikdiamon <mikdiamon@y...> <mikdiamon@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:36pm
Subject: Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
Mom taught me fool me once shame on me.... well I been fooled! I
bought the wench listed below on this web site friday night, went to
ray's house he said the winch works and showed me by hooking it up
to his battery and turning it on so it made a clicking noise, he did
not want to engage the cluth because it wasnt mounted, and goofy me
I trusted him. I drove strait home with the winch excited as all get
out, hooked it up and nothing happened but a click! I called ray, he
said its prolly a cellinoid but had no explination as to how it
would go out between my house and his, he suggested I try replacing
the part. I got the part at 4Wheelers Supply but thought I had
better not try to fix it since I know nothing about winches. I
called Ray and told him the winch dont work, I want my money back,
he said fine he has another buyer anyway, then decided he wanted to
try to fix the winch himself on wednesday. I took the winch to
4wheelers this morning, steve calls me about 4 to tell me the motor
is blown and wants $240 to fix it. I called ray to tell him I dont
want his winch and he says too bad I already spent the money, I told
him he advertised a almost new winch and this is definately not, he
did not care. I even offered to pay half the repair, he reminded me
again that he already spent the money, I said you can pay me later,
he said he has a car payment and needs to pay his probation officer
ect.... Is this the way business is normally done on AZVJC? This is
my first experience buying from the classified section and I feel
like I took the high hard one.
From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:39 pm
Subject: [FS] HS9500I Warn winch
Price: $600 OBO
Contact: Ray Bratton 602-299-8016
Almost new only used to pull 1 guy (not myself) out of terminator,
again (not myself)need to buy upgrades for new Jeep must sell fast
Ray Bratton
76688 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:37pm
Subject: Re: Newbie
What? Is this pirate4x4.com or the AZVJC? "Newbie"? "...just
give 'em the finger"??? What? Are you for real?
Lachlan "Obviously lost" MacLean
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> Heya newbie! Don't let the newbie title tie ya down... most of
these guys at
> the VJC are damn good folk! If ya come across one who is being a
prick...
> just give 'em the finger and ignore them... they'll get flamed by
someone in
> good time or they're just having a bad day and they'll come back
around!
>
> anyhow!! welcome and hope to see ya on the trails!
>
>
> Sean Speer
> OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <misfittom@p...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:27 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Newbie
>
>
> > Hey everyone, Just moved to Phoenix from Denver. New to the
site,
> > and I don't really know a lot of people in the area or the
4wheeling
> > community here. Just wanted to say hi, and I look forward to
meeting
> > some of you in the near future:)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
76689 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:43pm
Subject: [FS] XJ Skyjacker 8" Rockready Kit - Parting out
Price: $100-$1500
Contact: Theon Wier
Well guys, the time has come and the 8" kit I just bought and never used except to install for testing tire clearance only, is for sale, I paid $2560 for it. I have sold some of the pieces like to trackbar, shocks, and steering stab, and I want to sell the rest since I will not be using it, I'm asking $1500 for it whole or I'm willing to part out the differant pieces.
Theon Wier
76690 From: Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...> <ablockalypse@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:08pm
Subject: Re: Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
Damn, that sucks. Best thing you can do is document everything, call
him and tell him you'll contact the police or his probation officer
regarding fraud charges and if Ray is truly on probation he will come
up with the money. If he doesn't pony up call the cops, show them the
original ad he placed, 4 wheelers estimate for the repair, and hope
that they take it from there. Explain to him that he's gonna have a
hell of a time paying his car payment from Jail. Only other route is
small claims court. It takes alot of your time and in the end you get
a judgement that may or may not be enforcable if he really doesn't
have the money.
Let me know if you need help finding out who his Probation Officer is
or anything.
Phil
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "mikdiamon <mikdiamon@y...>"
<mikdiamon@y...> wrote:
> Mom taught me fool me once shame on me.... well I been fooled! I
> bought the wench listed below on this web site friday night, went
to
> ray's house he said the winch works and showed me by hooking it up
> to his battery and turning it on so it made a clicking noise, he
did
> not want to engage the cluth because it wasnt mounted, and goofy me
> I trusted him. I drove strait home with the winch excited as all
get
> out, hooked it up and nothing happened but a click! I called ray,
he
> said its prolly a cellinoid but had no explination as to how it
> would go out between my house and his, he suggested I try replacing
> the part. I got the part at 4Wheelers Supply but thought I had
> better not try to fix it since I know nothing about winches. I
> called Ray and told him the winch dont work, I want my money back,
> he said fine he has another buyer anyway, then decided he wanted to
> try to fix the winch himself on wednesday. I took the winch to
> 4wheelers this morning, steve calls me about 4 to tell me the motor
> is blown and wants $240 to fix it. I called ray to tell him I dont
> want his winch and he says too bad I already spent the money, I
told
> him he advertised a almost new winch and this is definately not, he
> did not care. I even offered to pay half the repair, he reminded me
> again that he already spent the money, I said you can pay me later,
> he said he has a car payment and needs to pay his probation officer
> ect.... Is this the way business is normally done on AZVJC? This
is
> my first experience buying from the classified section and I feel
> like I took the high hard one.
>
> From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
> Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:39 pm
> Subject: [FS] HS9500I Warn winch
>
>
>
> Price: $600 OBO
>
> Contact: Ray Bratton 602-299-8016
>
> Almost new only used to pull 1 guy (not myself) out of terminator,
> again (not myself)need to buy upgrades for new Jeep must sell fast
>
> Ray Bratton
76691 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:11pm
Subject: Re: Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
Well, I can say that all 4 times I've purchased a product from an AZVJC member I've had nothing but great outcomes. Every time I've even had offers to help me install whatever it was that I bought. Nice curtious people that love not only their jeeps but also their fellow jeepers. Leave it to 1 guy to screw it up for everyone. It's just like if an AZVJCer went out and dumped a whole bunch of trash out at the Table Mesa area right after the huge cleanup. It only takes 1 to give the group a bad name. I've heard it said that it takes 7 nice things to makeup for 1 bad thing...I believe it and I'm a very forgiving person. I would do what you can to right the situation. I would like to let you know that if you ever have to do business with me I will be more than helpful and wouldn't promote a product that doesn't work. That's bogus man!!! I feel for you.
~Wade
'97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
"mikdiamon " wrote:
Mom taught me fool me once shame on me.... well I been fooled! I
bought the wench listed below on this web site friday night, went to
ray's house he said the winch works and showed me by hooking it up
to his battery and turning it on so it made a clicking noise, he did
not want to engage the cluth because it wasnt mounted, and goofy me
I trusted him. I drove strait home with the winch excited as all get
out, hooked it up and nothing happened but a click! I called ray, he
said its prolly a cellinoid but had no explination as to how it
would go out between my house and his, he suggested I try replacing
the part. I got the part at 4Wheelers Supply but thought I had
better not try to fix it since I know nothing about winches. I
called Ray and told him the winch dont work, I want my money back,
he said fine he has another buyer anyway, then decided he wanted to
try to fix the winch himself on wednesday. I took the winch to
4wheelers this morning, steve calls me about 4 to tell me the motor
is blown and wants $240 to fix it. I called ray to tell him I dont
want his winch and he says too bad I already spent the money, I told
him he advertised a almost new winch and this is definately not, he
did not care. I even offered to pay half the repair, he reminded me
again that he already spent the money, I said you can pay me later,
he said he has a car payment and needs to pay his probation officer
ect.... Is this the way business is normally done on AZVJC? This is
my first experience buying from the classified section and I feel
like I took the high hard one.
From: AzVJC Website
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:39 pm
Subject: [FS] HS9500I Warn winch
Price: $600 OBO
Contact: Ray Bratton 602-299-8016
Almost new only used to pull 1 guy (not myself) out of terminator,
again (not myself)need to buy upgrades for new Jeep must sell fast
Ray Bratton
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76692 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:15pm
Subject: Re: Re: Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
This guy's also gonna have a hard time trying to find anyone to wheel with.
~Wade
"Phil Thompson " wrote:
Damn, that sucks. Best thing you can do is document everything, call
him and tell him you'll contact the police or his probation officer
regarding fraud charges and if Ray is truly on probation he will come
up with the money. If he doesn't pony up call the cops, show them the
original ad he placed, 4 wheelers estimate for the repair, and hope
that they take it from there. Explain to him that he's gonna have a
hell of a time paying his car payment from Jail. Only other route is
small claims court. It takes alot of your time and in the end you get
a judgement that may or may not be enforcable if he really doesn't
have the money.
Let me know if you need help finding out who his Probation Officer is
or anything.
Phil
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "mikdiamon "
wrote:
> Mom taught me fool me once shame on me.... well I been fooled! I
> bought the wench listed below on this web site friday night, went
to
> ray's house he said the winch works and showed me by hooking it up
> to his battery and turning it on so it made a clicking noise, he
did
> not want to engage the cluth because it wasnt mounted, and goofy me
> I trusted him. I drove strait home with the winch excited as all
get
> out, hooked it up and nothing happened but a click! I called ray,
he
> said its prolly a cellinoid but had no explination as to how it
> would go out between my house and his, he suggested I try replacing
> the part. I got the part at 4Wheelers Supply but thought I had
> better not try to fix it since I know nothing about winches. I
> called Ray and told him the winch dont work, I want my money back,
> he said fine he has another buyer anyway, then decided he wanted to
> try to fix the winch himself on wednesday. I took the winch to
> 4wheelers this morning, steve calls me about 4 to tell me the motor
> is blown and wants $240 to fix it. I called ray to tell him I dont
> want his winch and he says too bad I already spent the money, I
told
> him he advertised a almost new winch and this is definately not, he
> did not care. I even offered to pay half the repair, he reminded me
> again that he already spent the money, I said you can pay me later,
> he said he has a car payment and needs to pay his probation officer
> ect.... Is this the way business is normally done on AZVJC? This
is
> my first experience buying from the classified section and I feel
> like I took the high hard one.
>
> From: AzVJC Website
> Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:39 pm
> Subject: [FS] HS9500I Warn winch
>
>
>
> Price: $600 OBO
>
> Contact: Ray Bratton 602-299-8016
>
> Almost new only used to pull 1 guy (not myself) out of terminator,
> again (not myself)need to buy upgrades for new Jeep must sell fast
>
> Ray Bratton
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76693 From: sedonacowgirl <cowgirl@s...> <cowgirl@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:26pm
Subject: Sedona Jeep Tour Guides Wanted
Howdy! I may really be stepping in it here, but we are looking for
more Jeep tour guides.
I know that many of you are experienced drivers, but driving a HEAVY
Jeep (tourists are getting bigger and bigger these days!) is
different, especially while entertaining (the same) tourists for
several hours.
We are looking for entertaining, educated people. Our best guides
are college-educated, long time Southwest residents and outdoors-
people. Our training takes about 4 to 6 weeks. Of course, one would
have to live in the vicinity of the Sedona/Verde Valley area.
If anyone is interested, I will email or fax a complete job
description. No phone calls for now, please.
Happy trails!
Nena
nena@a...
cowgirl@s...
76694 From: Reid Scholes <azturf@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:34pm
Subject: Re: Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
Learn from your misfortune.
Even though Ray has done an injustice to you, you are at fault too by
agreeing to purchase something you were not sure of. For just a little more
$$ you could of had a new winch with a waranty. I had a similar problem
when buying an axle.
On the other hand, it's not your fault that Ray has a car payment and has to
pay his probation officer. That's a bunch of sh_t! If Ray would have paid
for the repairs you would both be happy Jeepers. As I see it, Ray has
tarnished his name... end of story.
Good luck to ya. I hope everything works out.
Reid
----- Original Message -----
From: <mikdiamon@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 5:36 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
> Mom taught me fool me once shame on me.... well I been fooled! I
> bought the wench listed below on this web site friday night, went to
> ray's house he said the winch works and showed me by hooking it up
> to his battery and turning it on so it made a clicking noise, he did
> not want to engage the cluth because it wasnt mounted, and goofy me
> I trusted him. I drove strait home with the winch excited as all get
> out, hooked it up and nothing happened but a click! I called ray, he
> said its prolly a cellinoid but had no explination as to how it
> would go out between my house and his, he suggested I try replacing
> the part. I got the part at 4Wheelers Supply but thought I had
> better not try to fix it since I know nothing about winches. I
> called Ray and told him the winch dont work, I want my money back,
> he said fine he has another buyer anyway, then decided he wanted to
> try to fix the winch himself on wednesday. I took the winch to
> 4wheelers this morning, steve calls me about 4 to tell me the motor
> is blown and wants $240 to fix it. I called ray to tell him I dont
> want his winch and he says too bad I already spent the money, I told
> him he advertised a almost new winch and this is definately not, he
> did not care. I even offered to pay half the repair, he reminded me
> again that he already spent the money, I said you can pay me later,
> he said he has a car payment and needs to pay his probation officer
> ect.... Is this the way business is normally done on AZVJC? This is
> my first experience buying from the classified section and I feel
> like I took the high hard one.
>
> From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
> Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:39 pm
> Subject: [FS] HS9500I Warn winch
>
>
>
> Price: $600 OBO
>
> Contact: Ray Bratton 602-299-8016
>
> Almost new only used to pull 1 guy (not myself) out of terminator,
> again (not myself)need to buy upgrades for new Jeep must sell fast
>
> Ray Bratton
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
76695 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:37pm
Subject: [FS] Sedona Jeep Tour Guides
Price: Days of bumpy, dusty trails, and lots of dumb questions!
Contact: nena@adayinthewest.com
Howdy! "Audition" for the part of cowboy Jeep guide. We are looking for educated, outdoors-oriented people who can handle hours of driving a "heavy" Jeep while entertaining guests. Clean driving record, 25 years of age and older, local residence preferred (Sedona/Verde Valley). YELLOW Jeeps.
Complete job description available. Contact Nena@ADayInTheWest.com. No phone calls for now, please.
Happy trails!
Nena Barlow
76696 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:39pm
Subject: RE: Sedona Jeep Tour Guides Wanted
Nena,
While I don't wish to apply for a position, I did want to pass along a
congrats and THANK YOU to your company.
I was surfing on the TREADLightly web site today and noticed that your
company had joined in 2002.
Way to support the cause!
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
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From: sedonacowgirl <cowgirl@s...> [mailto:cowgirl@s...]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Sedona Jeep Tour Guides Wanted
Howdy! I may really be stepping in it here, but we are looking for
more Jeep tour guides.
I know that many of you are experienced drivers, but driving a HEAVY
Jeep (tourists are getting bigger and bigger these days!) is
different, especially while entertaining (the same) tourists for
several hours.
We are looking for entertaining, educated people. Our best guides
are college-educated, long time Southwest residents and outdoors-
people. Our training takes about 4 to 6 weeks. Of course, one would
have to live in the vicinity of the Sedona/Verde Valley area.
If anyone is interested, I will email or fax a complete job
description. No phone calls for now, please.
Happy trails!
Nena
nena@a...
cowgirl@s...
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76697 From: sedonacowgirl <cowgirl@s...> <cowgirl@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:48pm
Subject: Jeep Rally Update
Howdy, y'all!
To all of you who have expressed interest in the Jeep Rally at our
ranch, I have not forgotten. I mentioned the idea to our insurance
agent and he almost had a stroke. As you can imagine, liability is
huge in this business (especially with Pink Jeep rolling tour Jeeps
regularly, like they did again this weekend!)
Anyway, I am exploring ways around it, and will let you know what we
come up with.
Until then...Happy trails!
76698 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:52pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Rally Update
What the heck are these Pink Jeeps doing to cause a rollover during a "tour"? I may want to get in on one of those tours...are helmets included in the price? lol
~Wade
"sedonacowgirl " wrote:
Howdy, y'all!
To all of you who have expressed interest in the Jeep Rally at our
ranch, I have not forgotten. I mentioned the idea to our insurance
agent and he almost had a stroke. As you can imagine, liability is
huge in this business (especially with Pink Jeep rolling tour Jeeps
regularly, like they did again this weekend!)
Anyway, I am exploring ways around it, and will let you know what we
come up with.
Until then...Happy trails!
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76699 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:02pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Rally Update
they rolled a jeep full of tourists? ouch thats gotta hurt the ole insurance budget.....
----- Original Message -----
From: sedonacowgirl
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Rally Update
Howdy, y'all!
To all of you who have expressed interest in the Jeep Rally at our
ranch, I have not forgotten. I mentioned the idea to our insurance
agent and he almost had a stroke. As you can imagine, liability is
huge in this business (especially with Pink Jeep rolling tour Jeeps
regularly, like they did again this weekend!)
Anyway, I am exploring ways around it, and will let you know what we
come up with.
Until then...Happy trails!
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76700 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:57pm
Subject: [FS] Extended shock towers -74 and up CJ
Price: $100.00
Contact: Rick @ rjl76cj@msn.com
These are home made towers. I took the bolt on, tall towers off an 82 CJ, and I picked up another set from the junk yard. I cut one set in half and stacked it on top of the other set. I welded it up, reinforced them and mounted them. This enabled me to use a 7" longer shock for more travel. They will bolt on any 80 and newer CJ, but on any thing older, the old mounts will have to be cut off and holes drilled in the frame. The tires will rub the top of the tower at full stuff, on the narrow track axels (like mine) but on the wide track they'll work just fine.
Rick Lira
76701 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:58pm
Subject: RE: Jeep Rally Update
With luck, it was full of greenies! (oooohhhhhh&..Ill probably burn for that one!)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:02 PM
To: sedonacowgirl ; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jeep Rally Update
they rolled a jeep full of tourists? ouch thats gotta hurt the ole insurance budget.....
----- Original Message -----
From: sedonacowgirl
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Rally Update
Howdy, y'all!
To all of you who have expressed interest in the Jeep Rally at our
ranch, I have not forgotten. I mentioned the idea to our insurance
agent and he almost had a stroke. As you can imagine, liability is
huge in this business (especially with Pink Jeep rolling tour Jeeps
regularly, like they did again this weekend!)
Anyway, I am exploring ways around it, and will let you know what we
come up with.
Until then...Happy trails!
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76702 From: sedonacowgirl <cowgirl@s...> <cowgirl@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:59pm
Subject: Re: Sedona Jeep Tour Guides Wanted
Stu,
Thank you for taking the time to let me know. The TREAD Lightly
principles are taken VERY seriously by our guides (well, as seriously
as we get in this business.) We see hundreds of thousands of
tourists per year, so we hope that some of what we tell them sticks.
I love TREAD Lightly because what they stand for is responsible use,
and it is a bridge between us, the people who enjoy our public lands,
and the Forest Service, the entity managing our public lands.
We promote TREAD Lightly membership from our reservations office, as
well. The owner of our company is a strong proponent of using our
visible position as a commercial company to promote responsible use
of our lands, as well as our right to use it.
Thank you, again. Happy trails!
Nena
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Nena,
>
> While I don't wish to apply for a position, I did want to pass
along a
> congrats and THANK YOU to your company.
>
> I was surfing on the TREADLightly web site today and noticed that
your
> company had joined in 2002.
>
> Way to support the cause!
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sedonacowgirl <cowgirl@s...> [mailto:cowgirl@s...]
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:27 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Sedona Jeep Tour Guides Wanted
>
> Howdy! I may really be stepping in it here, but we are looking for
> more Jeep tour guides.
>
> I know that many of you are experienced drivers, but driving a
HEAVY
> Jeep (tourists are getting bigger and bigger these days!) is
> different, especially while entertaining (the same) tourists for
> several hours.
>
> We are looking for entertaining, educated people. Our best guides
> are college-educated, long time Southwest residents and outdoors-
> people. Our training takes about 4 to 6 weeks. Of course, one
would
> have to live in the vicinity of the Sedona/Verde Valley area.
>
> If anyone is interested, I will email or fax a complete job
> description. No phone calls for now, please.
>
> Happy trails!
>
> Nena
>
> nena@a...
> cowgirl@s...
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
76703 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:14pm
Subject: [FS] FREE; TJ stock coil springs,& suspension parts
Price: the nice price! $0
Contact: Bernie VanBenthem
Stock coil springs, links, and other stock stuff that comes on a TJ
Bernie Van Benthem
76704 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:21pm
Subject: Re: [FS] FREE; TJ stock coil springs,& suspension parts
What year did these come off of?
AzVJC Website wrote:
Price: the nice price! $0
Contact: Bernie VanBenthem
Stock coil springs, links, and other stock stuff that comes on a TJ
Bernie Van Benthem
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76680 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:33pm
Subject: Looking for work and some trail info
Hi
> I know I shouldn't be asking this, but does anybody out know of any
> company's or people that are hiring for Commercial Electricians, or
> cable or sattelite installers I am pretty much at the end of my
rope
> here, and I am getting desprate for work
> On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now there is
a
> gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> trespassing on there property.
Thanks for the info on allstate energy, called them, but they are
not hiring. Oh Well.........
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76681 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:48pm
Subject: [FS] Rebuilt Carter bbd carb.
Price:
Contact: Irocjt@yahoo.com
Took off the old carter to put on a weber. Curious if there would be any interest in the old card.
The Carb. came off of a 1989 jeep wrangler, it was rebuilt about 3,000 miles ago and was removed due to a nice X-mas present.
I don't have pics, and it would be shipped out of Seattle Washington, but if interested make me an offer.
Jordan
Jordan Townsend
76682 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:35pm
Subject: RE: Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help appreciated
Roger,
I always wondered during my research why I kept hearing different
numbers for the Waggy 44's. Turns out that anything 80 and up with the
drivers side drop is 60.75" WMS. If you convert it to 5 on 5.5" pattern
using Ford parts it will be 61.5" WMS. That's where the discrepencies
come from.
The widetrack numbers you hear about are only for the 79 and older
passenger drop 44's.
Just thought you'd find it interesting.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:23 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help
appreciated
those numbers sound right to me. My Waggy 44 was less than 1" wider
than my YJ Dana 30. I think your 44 with allows and CTM's will be
plenty strong for 37's.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Got the Waggy 44. Here is some interesting numbers I thought I'd
throw
> your way. I'd like to compile a database of these and post them to
the
> website for future reference.
> These numbers are wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting surface.
>
> 61.50" TJ D30 axle with the Warn small 5 on 4.5" hub kit. 60.00" TJ
> stock axle width front and rear 60.75" Waggy 44 axle width
> 59.25" Ford 8.8
>
> Stu runs the small hub kit. His front is now 1.5" wider than the
rear
> 44. The Waggy 44 will be 1.5" wider than the 8.8 so you can't do
much
> better than that for junkyard swaps :D I've been told that being
> slightly wider up front allows the rear to track better on the
trail and
> street
>
> I'm going to get this thing under there and then the next step will
be
> Warn alloys and CTM's. I am going to go ahead and install Dutchman
> alloys in the matching 6 on 5.5" pattern into the 8.8. Should be a
> pretty stout setup for 37's.
>
> Later,
>
> Scott K
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76683 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:57pm
Subject: [FS] 4 33x12.50 BFG Muds
Price: first $200
Contact: ultralite_1234@yahoo.com (602) 604-0299
All 4 tires have 75% tread. 3 of them are in great shape. 1 of them has a piece of rubber missing on lip from when the tire was mounted, and doesnt hold air.
Come look at them.
!!!!!!!!!FIRST 200 TAKES THEM!!!!!!!!!
Kyle Snowberger
76684 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:01pm
Subject: [FS] WANTED-Anything 4x4
Price: let me know what you have and give me a price
Contact: ultralite_1234@yahoo.com
Have something you want to sell. E-mail me and lets talk. I'm building a rockcrawler and need anything 4x4 related.
THX Kyle
Kyle Snowberger
76685 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:08pm
Subject: Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help appreciated
Scott,
The '73 Waggy D44 front was 5-5.5, disc brakes & open knuckle.
'72 was a closed knuckle D44 with drums, also 5-5.5. '74 was where
they went to the 6 lug. Then these have the wrong side pumpkin for
your Jeep, but all I was trying to point out is Jeep did have a 5-5.5
disc.
Those adapters are really ugly, I can see why you wouldn't want to
use them.
Rodger,
I just layed the lug pattern out on AutoCAD, lol. you are right. For
some reason I was thinking the 5's would fit right in the middle of
the 6's.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> I always wondered during my research why I kept hearing different
> numbers for the Waggy 44's. Turns out that anything 80 and up with
the
> drivers side drop is 60.75" WMS. If you convert it to 5 on 5.5"
pattern
> using Ford parts it will be 61.5" WMS. That's where the
discrepencies
> come from.
>
> The widetrack numbers you hear about are only for the 79 and older
> passenger drop 44's.
>
> Just thought you'd find it interesting.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help
> appreciated
>
>
> those numbers sound right to me. My Waggy 44 was less than 1"
wider
> than my YJ Dana 30. I think your 44 with allows and CTM's will be
> plenty strong for 37's.
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Got the Waggy 44. Here is some interesting numbers I thought I'd
> throw
> > your way. I'd like to compile a database of these and post them to
> the
> > website for future reference.
> > These numbers are wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting
surface.
> >
> > 61.50" TJ D30 axle with the Warn small 5 on 4.5" hub kit.
60.00" TJ
> > stock axle width front and rear 60.75" Waggy 44 axle width
> > 59.25" Ford 8.8
> >
> > Stu runs the small hub kit. His front is now 1.5" wider than the
> rear
> > 44. The Waggy 44 will be 1.5" wider than the 8.8 so you can't do
> much
> > better than that for junkyard swaps :D I've been told that being
> > slightly wider up front allows the rear to track better on the
> trail and
> > street
> >
> > I'm going to get this thing under there and then the next step
will
> be
> > Warn alloys and CTM's. I am going to go ahead and install
Dutchman
> > alloys in the matching 6 on 5.5" pattern into the 8.8. Should be
a
> > pretty stout setup for 37's.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Scott K
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
76686 From: john93yj <john6612@c...> <john6612@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:15pm
Subject: Looking for work and some trail info
Hi
> I know I shouldn't be asking this, but does anybody out know of any
> company's or people that are hiring for Commercial Electricians, or
> cable or sattelite installers I am pretty much at the end of my
rope
> here, and I am getting desprate for work
> On the subject of jeeps and 4 wheeling, what is the deal with the
> mining operation out on reymert rd just east of Gonzales pass in
> Florence. You used to be able to drive through there, now there is
a
> gate, and they bulldozed another road that led into there. Does
> anyone know of another entrance to get in that area without
> trespassing on there property.
>
76687 From: mikdiamon <mikdiamon@y...> <mikdiamon@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:36pm
Subject: Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
Mom taught me fool me once shame on me.... well I been fooled! I
bought the wench listed below on this web site friday night, went to
ray's house he said the winch works and showed me by hooking it up
to his battery and turning it on so it made a clicking noise, he did
not want to engage the cluth because it wasnt mounted, and goofy me
I trusted him. I drove strait home with the winch excited as all get
out, hooked it up and nothing happened but a click! I called ray, he
said its prolly a cellinoid but had no explination as to how it
would go out between my house and his, he suggested I try replacing
the part. I got the part at 4Wheelers Supply but thought I had
better not try to fix it since I know nothing about winches. I
called Ray and told him the winch dont work, I want my money back,
he said fine he has another buyer anyway, then decided he wanted to
try to fix the winch himself on wednesday. I took the winch to
4wheelers this morning, steve calls me about 4 to tell me the motor
is blown and wants $240 to fix it. I called ray to tell him I dont
want his winch and he says too bad I already spent the money, I told
him he advertised a almost new winch and this is definately not, he
did not care. I even offered to pay half the repair, he reminded me
again that he already spent the money, I said you can pay me later,
he said he has a car payment and needs to pay his probation officer
ect.... Is this the way business is normally done on AZVJC? This is
my first experience buying from the classified section and I feel
like I took the high hard one.
From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:39 pm
Subject: [FS] HS9500I Warn winch
Price: $600 OBO
Contact: Ray Bratton 602-299-8016
Almost new only used to pull 1 guy (not myself) out of terminator,
again (not myself)need to buy upgrades for new Jeep must sell fast
Ray Bratton
76688 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:37pm
Subject: Re: Newbie
What? Is this pirate4x4.com or the AZVJC? "Newbie"? "...just
give 'em the finger"??? What? Are you for real?
Lachlan "Obviously lost" MacLean
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...> wrote:
> Heya newbie! Don't let the newbie title tie ya down... most of
these guys at
> the VJC are damn good folk! If ya come across one who is being a
prick...
> just give 'em the finger and ignore them... they'll get flamed by
someone in
> good time or they're just having a bad day and they'll come back
around!
>
> anyhow!! welcome and hope to see ya on the trails!
>
>
> Sean Speer
> OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <misfittom@p...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:27 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Newbie
>
>
> > Hey everyone, Just moved to Phoenix from Denver. New to the
site,
> > and I don't really know a lot of people in the area or the
4wheeling
> > community here. Just wanted to say hi, and I look forward to
meeting
> > some of you in the near future:)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
76689 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:43pm
Subject: [FS] XJ Skyjacker 8" Rockready Kit - Parting out
Price: $100-$1500
Contact: Theon Wier
Well guys, the time has come and the 8" kit I just bought and never used except to install for testing tire clearance only, is for sale, I paid $2560 for it. I have sold some of the pieces like to trackbar, shocks, and steering stab, and I want to sell the rest since I will not be using it, I'm asking $1500 for it whole or I'm willing to part out the differant pieces.
Theon Wier
76690 From: Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...> <ablockalypse@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:08pm
Subject: Re: Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
Damn, that sucks. Best thing you can do is document everything, call
him and tell him you'll contact the police or his probation officer
regarding fraud charges and if Ray is truly on probation he will come
up with the money. If he doesn't pony up call the cops, show them the
original ad he placed, 4 wheelers estimate for the repair, and hope
that they take it from there. Explain to him that he's gonna have a
hell of a time paying his car payment from Jail. Only other route is
small claims court. It takes alot of your time and in the end you get
a judgement that may or may not be enforcable if he really doesn't
have the money.
Let me know if you need help finding out who his Probation Officer is
or anything.
Phil
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "mikdiamon <mikdiamon@y...>"
<mikdiamon@y...> wrote:
> Mom taught me fool me once shame on me.... well I been fooled! I
> bought the wench listed below on this web site friday night, went
to
> ray's house he said the winch works and showed me by hooking it up
> to his battery and turning it on so it made a clicking noise, he
did
> not want to engage the cluth because it wasnt mounted, and goofy me
> I trusted him. I drove strait home with the winch excited as all
get
> out, hooked it up and nothing happened but a click! I called ray,
he
> said its prolly a cellinoid but had no explination as to how it
> would go out between my house and his, he suggested I try replacing
> the part. I got the part at 4Wheelers Supply but thought I had
> better not try to fix it since I know nothing about winches. I
> called Ray and told him the winch dont work, I want my money back,
> he said fine he has another buyer anyway, then decided he wanted to
> try to fix the winch himself on wednesday. I took the winch to
> 4wheelers this morning, steve calls me about 4 to tell me the motor
> is blown and wants $240 to fix it. I called ray to tell him I dont
> want his winch and he says too bad I already spent the money, I
told
> him he advertised a almost new winch and this is definately not, he
> did not care. I even offered to pay half the repair, he reminded me
> again that he already spent the money, I said you can pay me later,
> he said he has a car payment and needs to pay his probation officer
> ect.... Is this the way business is normally done on AZVJC? This
is
> my first experience buying from the classified section and I feel
> like I took the high hard one.
>
> From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
> Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:39 pm
> Subject: [FS] HS9500I Warn winch
>
>
>
> Price: $600 OBO
>
> Contact: Ray Bratton 602-299-8016
>
> Almost new only used to pull 1 guy (not myself) out of terminator,
> again (not myself)need to buy upgrades for new Jeep must sell fast
>
> Ray Bratton
76691 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:11pm
Subject: Re: Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
Well, I can say that all 4 times I've purchased a product from an AZVJC member I've had nothing but great outcomes. Every time I've even had offers to help me install whatever it was that I bought. Nice curtious people that love not only their jeeps but also their fellow jeepers. Leave it to 1 guy to screw it up for everyone. It's just like if an AZVJCer went out and dumped a whole bunch of trash out at the Table Mesa area right after the huge cleanup. It only takes 1 to give the group a bad name. I've heard it said that it takes 7 nice things to makeup for 1 bad thing...I believe it and I'm a very forgiving person. I would do what you can to right the situation. I would like to let you know that if you ever have to do business with me I will be more than helpful and wouldn't promote a product that doesn't work. That's bogus man!!! I feel for you.
~Wade
'97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
"mikdiamon " wrote:
Mom taught me fool me once shame on me.... well I been fooled! I
bought the wench listed below on this web site friday night, went to
ray's house he said the winch works and showed me by hooking it up
to his battery and turning it on so it made a clicking noise, he did
not want to engage the cluth because it wasnt mounted, and goofy me
I trusted him. I drove strait home with the winch excited as all get
out, hooked it up and nothing happened but a click! I called ray, he
said its prolly a cellinoid but had no explination as to how it
would go out between my house and his, he suggested I try replacing
the part. I got the part at 4Wheelers Supply but thought I had
better not try to fix it since I know nothing about winches. I
called Ray and told him the winch dont work, I want my money back,
he said fine he has another buyer anyway, then decided he wanted to
try to fix the winch himself on wednesday. I took the winch to
4wheelers this morning, steve calls me about 4 to tell me the motor
is blown and wants $240 to fix it. I called ray to tell him I dont
want his winch and he says too bad I already spent the money, I told
him he advertised a almost new winch and this is definately not, he
did not care. I even offered to pay half the repair, he reminded me
again that he already spent the money, I said you can pay me later,
he said he has a car payment and needs to pay his probation officer
ect.... Is this the way business is normally done on AZVJC? This is
my first experience buying from the classified section and I feel
like I took the high hard one.
From: AzVJC Website
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:39 pm
Subject: [FS] HS9500I Warn winch
Price: $600 OBO
Contact: Ray Bratton 602-299-8016
Almost new only used to pull 1 guy (not myself) out of terminator,
again (not myself)need to buy upgrades for new Jeep must sell fast
Ray Bratton
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76692 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:15pm
Subject: Re: Re: Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
This guy's also gonna have a hard time trying to find anyone to wheel with.
~Wade
"Phil Thompson " wrote:
Damn, that sucks. Best thing you can do is document everything, call
him and tell him you'll contact the police or his probation officer
regarding fraud charges and if Ray is truly on probation he will come
up with the money. If he doesn't pony up call the cops, show them the
original ad he placed, 4 wheelers estimate for the repair, and hope
that they take it from there. Explain to him that he's gonna have a
hell of a time paying his car payment from Jail. Only other route is
small claims court. It takes alot of your time and in the end you get
a judgement that may or may not be enforcable if he really doesn't
have the money.
Let me know if you need help finding out who his Probation Officer is
or anything.
Phil
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "mikdiamon "
wrote:
> Mom taught me fool me once shame on me.... well I been fooled! I
> bought the wench listed below on this web site friday night, went
to
> ray's house he said the winch works and showed me by hooking it up
> to his battery and turning it on so it made a clicking noise, he
did
> not want to engage the cluth because it wasnt mounted, and goofy me
> I trusted him. I drove strait home with the winch excited as all
get
> out, hooked it up and nothing happened but a click! I called ray,
he
> said its prolly a cellinoid but had no explination as to how it
> would go out between my house and his, he suggested I try replacing
> the part. I got the part at 4Wheelers Supply but thought I had
> better not try to fix it since I know nothing about winches. I
> called Ray and told him the winch dont work, I want my money back,
> he said fine he has another buyer anyway, then decided he wanted to
> try to fix the winch himself on wednesday. I took the winch to
> 4wheelers this morning, steve calls me about 4 to tell me the motor
> is blown and wants $240 to fix it. I called ray to tell him I dont
> want his winch and he says too bad I already spent the money, I
told
> him he advertised a almost new winch and this is definately not, he
> did not care. I even offered to pay half the repair, he reminded me
> again that he already spent the money, I said you can pay me later,
> he said he has a car payment and needs to pay his probation officer
> ect.... Is this the way business is normally done on AZVJC? This
is
> my first experience buying from the classified section and I feel
> like I took the high hard one.
>
> From: AzVJC Website
> Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:39 pm
> Subject: [FS] HS9500I Warn winch
>
>
>
> Price: $600 OBO
>
> Contact: Ray Bratton 602-299-8016
>
> Almost new only used to pull 1 guy (not myself) out of terminator,
> again (not myself)need to buy upgrades for new Jeep must sell fast
>
> Ray Bratton
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76693 From: sedonacowgirl <cowgirl@s...> <cowgirl@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:26pm
Subject: Sedona Jeep Tour Guides Wanted
Howdy! I may really be stepping in it here, but we are looking for
more Jeep tour guides.
I know that many of you are experienced drivers, but driving a HEAVY
Jeep (tourists are getting bigger and bigger these days!) is
different, especially while entertaining (the same) tourists for
several hours.
We are looking for entertaining, educated people. Our best guides
are college-educated, long time Southwest residents and outdoors-
people. Our training takes about 4 to 6 weeks. Of course, one would
have to live in the vicinity of the Sedona/Verde Valley area.
If anyone is interested, I will email or fax a complete job
description. No phone calls for now, please.
Happy trails!
Nena
nena@a...
cowgirl@s...
76694 From: Reid Scholes <azturf@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:34pm
Subject: Re: Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
Learn from your misfortune.
Even though Ray has done an injustice to you, you are at fault too by
agreeing to purchase something you were not sure of. For just a little more
$$ you could of had a new winch with a waranty. I had a similar problem
when buying an axle.
On the other hand, it's not your fault that Ray has a car payment and has to
pay his probation officer. That's a bunch of sh_t! If Ray would have paid
for the repairs you would both be happy Jeepers. As I see it, Ray has
tarnished his name... end of story.
Good luck to ya. I hope everything works out.
Reid
----- Original Message -----
From: <mikdiamon@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 5:36 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Thanks a lot Ray....... BUYER BEWARE!!!!
> Mom taught me fool me once shame on me.... well I been fooled! I
> bought the wench listed below on this web site friday night, went to
> ray's house he said the winch works and showed me by hooking it up
> to his battery and turning it on so it made a clicking noise, he did
> not want to engage the cluth because it wasnt mounted, and goofy me
> I trusted him. I drove strait home with the winch excited as all get
> out, hooked it up and nothing happened but a click! I called ray, he
> said its prolly a cellinoid but had no explination as to how it
> would go out between my house and his, he suggested I try replacing
> the part. I got the part at 4Wheelers Supply but thought I had
> better not try to fix it since I know nothing about winches. I
> called Ray and told him the winch dont work, I want my money back,
> he said fine he has another buyer anyway, then decided he wanted to
> try to fix the winch himself on wednesday. I took the winch to
> 4wheelers this morning, steve calls me about 4 to tell me the motor
> is blown and wants $240 to fix it. I called ray to tell him I dont
> want his winch and he says too bad I already spent the money, I told
> him he advertised a almost new winch and this is definately not, he
> did not care. I even offered to pay half the repair, he reminded me
> again that he already spent the money, I said you can pay me later,
> he said he has a car payment and needs to pay his probation officer
> ect.... Is this the way business is normally done on AZVJC? This is
> my first experience buying from the classified section and I feel
> like I took the high hard one.
>
> From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
> Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:39 pm
> Subject: [FS] HS9500I Warn winch
>
>
>
> Price: $600 OBO
>
> Contact: Ray Bratton 602-299-8016
>
> Almost new only used to pull 1 guy (not myself) out of terminator,
> again (not myself)need to buy upgrades for new Jeep must sell fast
>
> Ray Bratton
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
76695 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:37pm
Subject: [FS] Sedona Jeep Tour Guides
Price: Days of bumpy, dusty trails, and lots of dumb questions!
Contact: nena@adayinthewest.com
Howdy! "Audition" for the part of cowboy Jeep guide. We are looking for educated, outdoors-oriented people who can handle hours of driving a "heavy" Jeep while entertaining guests. Clean driving record, 25 years of age and older, local residence preferred (Sedona/Verde Valley). YELLOW Jeeps.
Complete job description available. Contact Nena@ADayInTheWest.com. No phone calls for now, please.
Happy trails!
Nena Barlow
76696 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:39pm
Subject: RE: Sedona Jeep Tour Guides Wanted
Nena,
While I don't wish to apply for a position, I did want to pass along a
congrats and THANK YOU to your company.
I was surfing on the TREADLightly web site today and noticed that your
company had joined in 2002.
Way to support the cause!
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: sedonacowgirl <cowgirl@s...> [mailto:cowgirl@s...]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Sedona Jeep Tour Guides Wanted
Howdy! I may really be stepping in it here, but we are looking for
more Jeep tour guides.
I know that many of you are experienced drivers, but driving a HEAVY
Jeep (tourists are getting bigger and bigger these days!) is
different, especially while entertaining (the same) tourists for
several hours.
We are looking for entertaining, educated people. Our best guides
are college-educated, long time Southwest residents and outdoors-
people. Our training takes about 4 to 6 weeks. Of course, one would
have to live in the vicinity of the Sedona/Verde Valley area.
If anyone is interested, I will email or fax a complete job
description. No phone calls for now, please.
Happy trails!
Nena
nena@a...
cowgirl@s...
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76697 From: sedonacowgirl <cowgirl@s...> <cowgirl@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:48pm
Subject: Jeep Rally Update
Howdy, y'all!
To all of you who have expressed interest in the Jeep Rally at our
ranch, I have not forgotten. I mentioned the idea to our insurance
agent and he almost had a stroke. As you can imagine, liability is
huge in this business (especially with Pink Jeep rolling tour Jeeps
regularly, like they did again this weekend!)
Anyway, I am exploring ways around it, and will let you know what we
come up with.
Until then...Happy trails!
76698 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:52pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Rally Update
What the heck are these Pink Jeeps doing to cause a rollover during a "tour"? I may want to get in on one of those tours...are helmets included in the price? lol
~Wade
"sedonacowgirl " wrote:
Howdy, y'all!
To all of you who have expressed interest in the Jeep Rally at our
ranch, I have not forgotten. I mentioned the idea to our insurance
agent and he almost had a stroke. As you can imagine, liability is
huge in this business (especially with Pink Jeep rolling tour Jeeps
regularly, like they did again this weekend!)
Anyway, I am exploring ways around it, and will let you know what we
come up with.
Until then...Happy trails!
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76699 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:02pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Rally Update
they rolled a jeep full of tourists? ouch thats gotta hurt the ole insurance budget.....
----- Original Message -----
From: sedonacowgirl
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Rally Update
Howdy, y'all!
To all of you who have expressed interest in the Jeep Rally at our
ranch, I have not forgotten. I mentioned the idea to our insurance
agent and he almost had a stroke. As you can imagine, liability is
huge in this business (especially with Pink Jeep rolling tour Jeeps
regularly, like they did again this weekend!)
Anyway, I am exploring ways around it, and will let you know what we
come up with.
Until then...Happy trails!
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76700 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:57pm
Subject: [FS] Extended shock towers -74 and up CJ
Price: $100.00
Contact: Rick @ rjl76cj@msn.com
These are home made towers. I took the bolt on, tall towers off an 82 CJ, and I picked up another set from the junk yard. I cut one set in half and stacked it on top of the other set. I welded it up, reinforced them and mounted them. This enabled me to use a 7" longer shock for more travel. They will bolt on any 80 and newer CJ, but on any thing older, the old mounts will have to be cut off and holes drilled in the frame. The tires will rub the top of the tower at full stuff, on the narrow track axels (like mine) but on the wide track they'll work just fine.
Rick Lira
76701 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:58pm
Subject: RE: Jeep Rally Update
With luck, it was full of greenies! (oooohhhhhh&..Ill probably burn for that one!)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:02 PM
To: sedonacowgirl ; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jeep Rally Update
they rolled a jeep full of tourists? ouch thats gotta hurt the ole insurance budget.....
----- Original Message -----
From: sedonacowgirl
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Rally Update
Howdy, y'all!
To all of you who have expressed interest in the Jeep Rally at our
ranch, I have not forgotten. I mentioned the idea to our insurance
agent and he almost had a stroke. As you can imagine, liability is
huge in this business (especially with Pink Jeep rolling tour Jeeps
regularly, like they did again this weekend!)
Anyway, I am exploring ways around it, and will let you know what we
come up with.
Until then...Happy trails!
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76702 From: sedonacowgirl <cowgirl@s...> <cowgirl@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:59pm
Subject: Re: Sedona Jeep Tour Guides Wanted
Stu,
Thank you for taking the time to let me know. The TREAD Lightly
principles are taken VERY seriously by our guides (well, as seriously
as we get in this business.) We see hundreds of thousands of
tourists per year, so we hope that some of what we tell them sticks.
I love TREAD Lightly because what they stand for is responsible use,
and it is a bridge between us, the people who enjoy our public lands,
and the Forest Service, the entity managing our public lands.
We promote TREAD Lightly membership from our reservations office, as
well. The owner of our company is a strong proponent of using our
visible position as a commercial company to promote responsible use
of our lands, as well as our right to use it.
Thank you, again. Happy trails!
Nena
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Nena,
>
> While I don't wish to apply for a position, I did want to pass
along a
> congrats and THANK YOU to your company.
>
> I was surfing on the TREADLightly web site today and noticed that
your
> company had joined in 2002.
>
> Way to support the cause!
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sedonacowgirl <cowgirl@s...> [mailto:cowgirl@s...]
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:27 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Sedona Jeep Tour Guides Wanted
>
> Howdy! I may really be stepping in it here, but we are looking for
> more Jeep tour guides.
>
> I know that many of you are experienced drivers, but driving a
HEAVY
> Jeep (tourists are getting bigger and bigger these days!) is
> different, especially while entertaining (the same) tourists for
> several hours.
>
> We are looking for entertaining, educated people. Our best guides
> are college-educated, long time Southwest residents and outdoors-
> people. Our training takes about 4 to 6 weeks. Of course, one
would
> have to live in the vicinity of the Sedona/Verde Valley area.
>
> If anyone is interested, I will email or fax a complete job
> description. No phone calls for now, please.
>
> Happy trails!
>
> Nena
>
> nena@a...
> cowgirl@s...
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
76703 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:14pm
Subject: [FS] FREE; TJ stock coil springs,& suspension parts
Price: the nice price! $0
Contact: Bernie VanBenthem
Stock coil springs, links, and other stock stuff that comes on a TJ
Bernie Van Benthem
76704 From: Wade Ungaro <swaders7@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:21pm
Subject: Re: [FS] FREE; TJ stock coil springs,& suspension parts
What year did these come off of?
AzVJC Website wrote:
Price: the nice price! $0
Contact: Bernie VanBenthem
Stock coil springs, links, and other stock stuff that comes on a TJ
Bernie Van Benthem
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