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76630 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 9:25pm
Subject: RE: Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
Damn! These things always come up when I'm busy or when my rig is down
for upgrades.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nasser [mailto:nasser88@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:21 PM
To: Michael Wixom; RockRats@yahoogroups. Com; Az_Vjc; Hackle
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
Importance: High
Folks,
Mike and Jim are very correct. We only have 11 members signed up as a
definite. We need to get some more to join the clean up at Sycamore
Creek area. How about it? There isn't another cleanup scheduled for a
while. Let's see if we can get at least 50.
There are some important land issues being discussed and decided on
these days, and when we (the OHV community) show our involvement like we
did at Table Mesa, the agencies take us more seriously and count us a
credible user and resource group. That is why they are starting to
listen to us, and hopefully act in our favor.
It is imperative to have a strong showing at Sycamore. Just
volunteering for a few hours this Saturday will go a long way!
Thanks,
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wixom [mailto:h8pvmnt@h...]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:10 PM
To: RockRats@yahoogroups. Com; Az_Vjc; Hackle
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
I would like to reiterate how important this one is, please find some
time to show up for this clean-up. It is very important to the continued
use of this area.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "RockRats@yahoogroups. Com" <RockRats@yahoogroups.com>; "Az_Vjc"
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
> I know that we just completed the clean-up at Table Mesa on Sat. but
> we have another one scheduled for next weekend. Unlike Table Mesa
> where we cleaned up mostly shooters trash this area is pretty much a
> mess by OHV users. A trip sign up is available on the web site along
> with all the info required. The Forest Service is thinking about
> closing this area to OHV
use
> we need a strong showing to help change there minds. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho Marx Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
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76631 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 9:33pm
Subject: RE: KONGS was "Thanks to all.."
I would give Joe a call anyway. I just had work done there last week on my
XJ. They installed my lift a couple of months ago and Flexy knows XJ's (bo
knows baseball).
KONG'S 4X4 REPAIR & FAB CTR
2010 W CHERYL DR
PHOENIX, AZ
(602)944-2411
Frank
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>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>To: "'Gary R. Holmes'" <niitoyis@w...>, number_325@y...
>CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Thanks to all...
>Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:26:21 -0700
>
>I spoke with FlexyXY yesterday at the cleanup and he said Kong's is
>probably closing at the end of this money (the financial backer is
>pulling out). I've no idea if they are trying to remain open under
>different conditions or not but I got the impression that Joe won't be
>there much longer.
>
>Stu
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary R. Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
>Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:19 AM
>To: number_325 <number_325@y...>
>Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Thanks to all...
>
>You might consider Kong's Off-Road also for the installation. They did
>the Rusty's on my Cherokee along with other services (ARB, Detroit, new
>gears) and I am EXTREMELY please with everything they have done. Talk
>to Flexy there.
>
>Gary Holmes
>
>number_325 wrote:
>
>
>Just wanted to say thank you for those that took the time to help me
>answer a question that seems to newbie to you OG's, Im more than
>likely gonna wait three more weeks and go with a Rusty's 4.5"
>suspension lift for my XJ.
>
>so then I wont have to worry about add a leaf stuff and having to
>replace them when they start to droop. Thanks to all and if you
>have any more comments I can DEFINETLY (mispelled) use them.
>
> Now the problem comes with the installation, not only am do I have
>two left hands but father time hasnt given me any, does 4wheeler
>supply install lifts that they dont sell, cuz i thnk that they
>usually deal with RE. I cant even find their phone number in the
>Qwest dex crap. is it Four Wheelers Supply, 4Wheelers supply, or
>FourWheelers supply, I think there is an offroad in there somewhere.
>
>"Im not a jeepaholic, your only one if you attend the meetings"
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>berto
>97 XJ
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76632 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 10:03pm
Subject: [FS] Gas Tanks
Price: 20 ea
Contact: Steve 602-482-2428
2 new (never had gas in) w/repairable shipping (1"-1.5") piercings
1 used w/skid plate
lots of other quality road tested stuff (complaint to city forces sale)
Steve Olney
76633 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 10:05pm
Subject: [FS] 3" rancho Wrangler / CJ springs
Price: $60
Contact: steve 602-482-2428
pair of gently used superlift rear Wrangler springs (work great with shackle conversion in the front of my CJ)
Steve Olney
76634 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 10:16pm
Subject: [FS] CJ7 and or Commando Complete or part
Price: $1000 obo
Contact: steve0 602-482-2428
76 CJ7 no eng/trans/xfer (had V8,AT,QT available separate or with Jeep) 30frt 20 rear (offset or center-I have both) PS,PB, half cab,etc
72 Commando Tired but running 304 V8,TH400,dana 20, 30 front, 44 centerset falanged rear,3.73; removable hard top; needs gas tank,paint,seats,driver
Steve Olney
76635 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 6:03pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] 95yj - gas tank
I saw a 19gal one on Ebay tonight while I was surfing........I think it was $79 at the time
Mike
76636 From: Martin Ward <martinida@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 0:57am
Subject: Re: F**KING THIEVES!!!!!!!!
Whatever you do don't shoot them over our jeep or at least make sure their
bodies are armed when the police show up.
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] F**KING THIEVES!!!!!!!!
> From recent experience, I know the feeling... be glad they didn't take
your
> entire rig. I ended up putting an alarm system with a pager and proximity
> sensor, hood lock, and kill switch in after my Jeep was broken into. I've
> now helped a few dozen people put in kill switches and I'm hoping someday
to
> have most of the active group have kill switches at a minimum.
>
> Last night, for the first time ever, my alarm pager went off at about
> midnight. I put my robe on, grabbed my flashlight and .45 sig and went
> outside... didn't see anyone and nothing appeared to be touched.
>
> I'm glad they didn't do more than rip off your speaker box... do you live
in
> an apartment complex?
>
> Joe West
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:56 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] F**KING THIEVES!!!!!!!!
>
> You know it really sucks!!! just walked outside to my 93 YJ and
> found out somebody ripped off my speaker box.. I tell you what if
> they come back for the amps tonight someone is going to get shot!!!!
> I know there are JEEP owners that have experienced this problem!!
>
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76637 From: Chad H <rucrzytoo@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:10am
Subject: New to list...
Just moved to AZ a few months ago and wanted to stop
in and say Hey! Moved here from Oklahoma for my job,
currently living in Tucson... anyone else down here?
Chad
88XJ
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76638 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:04am
Subject: Re: New to list...
Chad, there are a handful of people on this list, from Tucson. I am.
There is also a local 4 wheel club, the Tucson Rough Riders. The next
meeting is tomorrow night at 6:30 pm, at the FOP lodge, a little north of
Ft. Lowell, on Dodge..
3445 N Dodge.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad H" <rucrzytoo@y...>
To: "'Az_Vjc@Yahoogroups.Com'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:10 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] New to list...
> Just moved to AZ a few months ago and wanted to stop
> in and say Hey! Moved here from Oklahoma for my job,
> currently living in Tucson... anyone else down here?
> Chad
> 88XJ
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76639 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:18am
Subject: [FS] Wheels & Tires
Price: 100.00
Contact: Bruce Gorman (602)550-4379
I have 5 stock Aluminim wheels and tires for a 1988 Wrangler, tires have 65% tread. I thing they are 5 on 4.5 East Mesa area
76640 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:22am
Subject: [FS] Free CJ Body
Price: Free
Contact: Tim (602) 549-6607
I have a 73 CJ 5 tub and fenders tail gate etc. Has som rust. Come and get it No Title.
76641 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:26am
Subject: [FS] Wheels & Tires
Price: $ 100.00
Contact: Bruce (602) 550-4379
I have a set of 5 stock aluminum wheels and tires for a 88 Wrangler with 65% tread. I think they are 5 on 4.5
76642 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:33am
Subject: He's at it again!
I had time on my hands this last friday, and made a swing-away tire carrier for the Jeep. There is room for 4 5 gallon as cans, or a full sized ice chest. will hold at least 300 lbs. (hill-billy test method, 600 lbs of steel, no breaks)
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76643 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:18am
Subject: Fwd: BLM Statement regarding CA OHV Commission's denial of BLM grant request for Imperial Sand Dunes
Please note the potential impact of this action. The OHV Commission
is responsible for allocating money to grants for recreation. The
money in question is part of what is called the "Green Sticker"
funds. The source of this money is from gas tax paid by off-road
recreationists and by state law is required to be spent on recreation.
As new commission members appointed represent environmentalist
interests, the recreation activities that generate these funds are
being shorted or denied their portion.
Many states are working to establish (or have) similar programs.
This is an example of how a good program can be destroyed.
*****************************************
<http://www.ca.blm.gov/news/2003/01/nr/Dunes/Conv.htm>http://www.ca.blm.gov/news/2003/01/nr/Dunes/Conv.htm
Statement regarding CA OHV Commission's denial of BLM grant request
for Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area, Imperial County, California,
January 23, 2003
Background: BLM requested $1.4 million in grant funds for the
Imperial Sand Dunes. These grant funds have been provided by the
state for many years to match federal appropriations for this area,
comprising about 160,000 acres. In December 2002, the commission
granted $292,000 to assist with the dramatically increasing law
enforcement costs at the Dunes for peak holiday weekends, when
visitation can sometimes exceed 200,000 people. At that time, the
commission deferred a vote on the additional funds ($1.1 million in
operations and maintenance funds) until today's meeting. Annually,
more than 3 million people visit the Dunes, considered a world-class
recreation area. (Correction 1/24/03: an analysis of recent figures
shows that about 1.4 million people visited the dunes in 2002).
Today's 4-3 vote was attributed by some commission members to BLM'
not yet completing the update of the 1987 Recreation Area Management
Plan (RAMP) that is currently underway. The update was needed to
address increasing visitor use and protection of listed species,
including the threatened Peirson' milkvetch. BLM published a draft in
March of 2002 and is currently reviewing the 10,000 comments received
and consulting with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in preparation
of the final plan, which should be completed sometime this spring or
early summer.
BLM Statement:
"We are very disappointed in the commission's action today. BLM has
always considered OHV recreation in California to be a partnership
between the federal and state governments, with BLM supplying the
land and recreation opportunities, and the state assisting us in
funding through the grant program.
The denial of $1.1 million in grant funds will have a significant
impact on the Dunes and the more than 3 million people who visit the
Dunes annually. These funds were to be used for visitor services,
including sanitation facilities, trash removal, environmental
monitoring and countless other activities.
BLM is diligently working the Recreation Area Management Plan for the
Dunes and we have been delayed only due to the large volume of public
comments and the complexity of trying to balance the intensive public
use with the need for environmental protection, particularly
threatened wildlife and plant species.
We hope that when the plan is completed in the late spring or early
summer, the commission will revisit today's action and reinforce the
long partnership BLM has had with California in providing recreation
opportunities to the public.
If the funds are not restored, BLM would not rule out other options
for the Dunes, including raising fees, reducing services, moving
funds from other recreation areas in the desert, or other
cost-cutting measures. Such measures would be regrettable, as much
progress has been made recently to provide services to the families
that have historically enjoyed this area."
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76644 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:23am
Subject: [FS] Bike Rack attaches to jeep spare tire lugs
Price: $25
Contact: Michael Kinnaird 602-723-0915
New with lock and keys, bike rack for any jeep. Mounts to lugs of spare tire. Carries two bikes.
Michael Kinnaird
76645 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:28am
Subject: Fwd: National + ESA
>From: JSmit10695@a...
>Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:19:27 EST
>Subject: National + ESA
>
>THE PREDATOR CARD
>
>(Note: This fine article continues to shine light on the actions of those
>that profess to be 'saving' predators, all the while and with malice
>aforethought, putting people and their children and pets and livestock IN
>HARMS WAY.)
>
>January 6, 2003
>
>By Jim Beers
>
>jimbeers7@e...
>
>In their relentless campaign to destroy the American way of life, the
>environmentalists and animal rights radicals are steadily throwing new logs
>on the fire. One of their favorite ploys is the victimization of predators.
>The common sense reality that people in the United States wisely and
>purposely eliminated dangerous predators from large areas of human habitation
>is touted as not only immoral but also somehow bad for "the environment."
>
>In the past thirty years we have seen the Federal government, at the behest
>of radical organizations, vote-seeking politicians, and career-enhancing
>bureaucrats, use laws and regulations to force wolves into the upper Midwest
>and the West. Likewise grizzly bears have been forcefully expanded
>throughout the upper Rockies.
>
>In the past week the likes of Jane 'living with chimpanzees' Goodall and a
>hodgepodge of radicals have called for "protection" and "listing" -- under
>the Endangered Species Act -- of mountain lions.
>
>No doubt millions of urbanites, children, and Animal Planet producers will
>send money and ask their Federal Representative to "do something."
>
>Mountain lions (or cougar, puma or catamount) are ubiquitous throughout the
>Western US and Canadian Rockies south to the tip of South America. They are
>historically notorious killers of livestock, pets, and people.
>
>When California stopped all management and hunting of cougars a few years
>ago, the incidence of attacks on people -- from joggers and hikers to
>homeowners, both deadly and gravely injurious -- increased dramatically.
>
>Bighorn sheep in the Sierras were listed as "Endangered" and their Federal
>Endangered Species Recovery Plan cited predation by cougars as THE reason.
>
>By the way, the Federal animal damage control people (whose salary all of us
>pay) then began "controlling" (i.e., killing) California's cougars which its'
>good residents had "saved" only a few short years before. This was justified
>to "save" the bighorn sheep.
>
>As more and more western urban areas and environmentalists and animal rights
>activists have limited cougar hunting, cougar hunting methods, and hunting
>areas the cougar numbers in and around towns and cities have increased.
>
>There has been a concomitant increase in deadly attacks on everyone from high
>school athletes to little children hiking with Church groups.
>
>Cougars kill and eat people.
>
>They severely injure women stepping out on their deck.
>
>They kill pets as well as livestock.
>
>The longer they are "protected," the more (like deer in a National Park) they
>become bold around people.
>
>In this instance however, they don't beg for candy as you drive by -- they
>kill your pet and eat your child in the backyard.
>
>When they kill a person, they drag them off a long way and consume most, if
>not all, while covering up the rest.
>
>More often than not, finding the evidence of the incident is next to
>impossible to document (especially today when more and more
>cougar-hunting dog packs are being put out of business by these same
>activists and their uneducated and ignorant urban supporters).
>
>As a retired wildlife biologist, I will state unequivocally that a lack of
>cougars throughout much of the US is good for the "ecosystem" and a blessing
>to hundreds of millions who live near or recreate in currently occupied
>cougar territory WHERE THEY ARE HUNTED and managed to minimize their dangers
>and damage to people.
>
>The tired propaganda and nostrums to eliminate cougar management and cougar
>hunting are as follows:
>
>It shocks the sensibilities of Jane Goodall and her activist friends. These
>same folks are no doubt equally shocked by hooked fish, trapped muskrats,
>logged trees, pheasant dinners, circuses, and many other etceteras.
>
>It is conducted when young cougars may still need their mother. The fact
>that cougars have done well for years under such regimes is forgotten.
>
>It is "unfair" and not "sporting." This from folks that are committed to
>eliminating all such "sport."
>
>We "don't know enough" about cougars. We never know enough about anything
>touted for "listing" or "saving."
>
>We don't need to manage them. This from increasingly unethical biologists in
>Universities and natural resource agencies. These are the folks who want to
>feather their careers if and when these radicals succeed in changing the
>management of natural resources into the Animal Planet nirvana so beloved of
>urban children and advertisers.
>
>No one needs to kill a cougar. Remember this one because everything you do
>can be characterized this way. These same radical folks, through an
>all-powerful central government, are ready, willing, and able to write the
>laws and regulations to proscribe every phase of your life and your property
>rights in just these terms.
>
>There is more but you get the point. Cougars are the responsibility of state
>governments and should stay that way. If West Virginia wants to have some
>around to hunt or run with dogs, their state politicians should answer for
>whatever does or does not result. If Idaho wants six cougars in every
>Township or indeed wants no cougars in certain areas, their state government
>will answer to Idaho voters for such policies. In fact, if California voters
>want 4 or 5 people killed each year; and a hundred serious maulings each
>year; unlimited pet losses; constant danger to unattended children; and
>seriously depleted populations of whatever wild and domestic animals the
>cougars find tasty then so be it. Only don't expect the rest of the country
>to pay for it!
>
>Cougars kill people just as do wolves, grizzly bears, and sharks. How
>formerly intelligent populations of Americans came to accept these silly and
>deadly concepts of predators is something I cannot understand. Predators
>such as these should be managed such that their behavior, their numbers, and
>their distribution pose the least threat to human beings of all stripes. The
>next time one of these bozos tell you about wearing bells in bear country, or
>puffing up or not looking into the eyes of one of these predators poke them
>in the eye and explain about big bore handguns and 00 buck shot as better
>alternatives. When they tell you about how wolves don't kill people, remind
>them of the 30 to 40 killed annually in India alone. When they spout those
>socialist droppings about you being in the animals habitat and how the
>government should own the area, tell them about how happy they would be in
>China or North Korea where government owns the people instead of the other
>way around. When they mention bears tell them about all the hushed up campers
>and hikers killed in Montana National Parks in particular. When they say
>Black bears aren't managed in National Parks tell them that for years Park
>managers live trapped black bears in Parks, drove them miles away and kicked
>them out on National forests while bear season was open! When they start
>whining about the "poor cougar" tell them to get a life and worry about the
>poor children endangered by such nonsense.
>
>Finally, never forget that if this is successful, more land will be off
>limits to more human activities. Rural residents will have yet another
>reason to sell out to the government or their surrogates such as the Nature
>Conservancy. More land will become devoid of human activity and presence
>thereby furthering the agenda that would have us all living where they tell
>us and only doing what they permit. I don't know about you, but I think this
>is worth fighting for.
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
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76646 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:30am
Subject: Fwd: Action Alert - Support in Congress Needed
COALITION OF AZ/NM COUNTIES
ACTION ALERT
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS REQUEST TO SEND LETTERS TO MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS REQUEST
THIS ACTION WILL TAKE YOU LESS THAN 5 MINUTES. PLEASE RESPOND!!!!
Support the President's Healthy Forests Initiative by contacting
your Congressional representatives.
January 26, 2003
Advocates for President Bush' healthy forest reforms have indicated
that additional support would be helpful from Congressional
representatives. To assist in sending letters urging your own
Congressional delegation to support these important initiatives, a
simple click & send email letter is available at LandSense. All you
need to do is click on the CapWiz/Landsense URL below and follow the
directions:
<http://capwiz.com/landsense/issues/alert/?alertid=1248006>http://capwiz.com/landsense/issues/alert/?alertid=1248006
The Healthy Forests Initiative is a broad program to reduce
catastrophic wildfire on public forests by introducing forest
management changes.
Many have answered the call to send letters and comments to the
various federal agencies in support of these proposed reforms. If
you have done so, this additional effort will ensure that your
Congressional representatives also understand your beliefs.
Note: If your software does not open the hyperlink above, copy the
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Executive Director
Coalition of Arizona/New Mexico Counties
P.O. Box 125
Glenwood, New Mexico 88039
Phone 505-539-2709
Fax 505-539-2708
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John Stewart
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Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
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76647 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:32am
Subject: [FS] Holley Carb, Mallory Distributor and flat top knuckles for sale
Price: $175, $150 and $50
Contact: Kevin Mayo 602-370-9820 (No voice mail)
Holley 650 CFM 4 barrel carb #80783-1 for sale. 1 year old, vacuum secondaries, center hung float bowls, off-road needle and seats, power valve blow-out protection, electric choke, sells new $340.00. Sell for $175.00.
Mallory Unilite Distributor #MAA-4760001 for AMC V-8. 1 year old, vacuum advance, includes dist. drive gear, cap, 2 rotors and LED trigger protection box. Sells new $290.00. Sell for $150.00.
Chevy Dana 44 driver and passeger flat top knuckles for sale. $50.00 for pair.
Best offer takes the parts.
Kevin Mayo
76648 From: roy95yj <roy95yj@y...> <roy95yj@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 8:51am
Subject: cross member
Hello all,
We are looking for a crossmember for a 1996 XJ 2dr, 5speed trans.
anybody have one for sale? Thanks
Roy
76649 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:08am
Subject: Re: cross member
Roy,
You might check with AMC 4 X 4 Salvage (623-937-5899) in Glendale.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
"roy95yj " wrote:
> Hello all,
> We are looking for a crossmember for a 1996 XJ 2dr, 5speed trans.
> anybody have one for sale? Thanks
>
> Roy
>
>
>
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76650 From: Tom Jacobson <tjacobson@t...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:14am
Subject: Re: East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
Hey Scott,
FWIW, I'm sorry about that confusing comment. I read Nasser's original post and just assumed it was near the Uncle Bear's (hey, there USED to be car shows over there!). I was at UB's around 5:30/6:00 and couldn't find the show either. The guys at Checker thought it was back at Arizona Ave, so headed back over that way and noticed the group parked at McQueen/Warner. Sorry you missed it.
To everyone else, was good seeing you. I can't wait to get my Jeep rolling again!
Tom J.
Message: 20
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:17:28 -0000
From: "Scott Edwards <azcj@y...>" <azcj@y...>
Subject: Re: East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
I tried to go to this last night but couldn't find it. Never saw a
location so I just went by the comment about it being across from
Uncle Bear's. The only UB's I found was at Cooper and Warner. I drove
all around that area last night just before 7pm and didn't see
anything resembling a group of people looking at cars. Ended up just
eating at UB's around 7:30. Didn't see anyone or any Jeeps that I
recognized but at least the food was great. So where was this thing
anyways???
I'm planning to head up to the Scottsdale Pavillions tonight around
5:30 or 6 if anyone's going to be there. Look for a white TJ with a
white soft top and 35s.
-Scott Edwards
'97 TJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson" <tjacobson@t...> wrote:
> Nasser,
>
> I can't commit for sure, but hope to stop by for a while. The Jeep
is kinda sick right now, so I won't be driving it over. Uncle Bear's
is just across the street and would be great for a little food and
beverage after the show.
>
> Tom J.
>
> From: Nasser [mailto:nasser88@c...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:50 PM
> > To: Az_Vjc@Yahoogroups. Com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
> >
> > Folks,
76651 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:22am
Subject: Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help appreciated
those numbers sound right to me. My Waggy 44 was less than 1" wider
than my YJ Dana 30. I think your 44 with allows and CTM's will be
plenty strong for 37's.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Got the Waggy 44. Here is some interesting numbers I thought I'd
throw
> your way. I'd like to compile a database of these and post them to
the
> website for future reference.
> These numbers are wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting surface.
>
> 61.50" TJ D30 axle with the Warn small 5 on 4.5" hub kit.
> 60.00" TJ stock axle width front and rear
> 60.75" Waggy 44 axle width
> 59.25" Ford 8.8
>
> Stu runs the small hub kit. His front is now 1.5" wider than the
rear
> 44. The Waggy 44 will be 1.5" wider than the 8.8 so you can't do
much
> better than that for junkyard swaps :D I've been told that being
> slightly wider up front allows the rear to track better on the
trail and
> street
>
> I'm going to get this thing under there and then the next step will
be
> Warn alloys and CTM's. I am going to go ahead and install Dutchman
> alloys in the matching 6 on 5.5" pattern into the 8.8. Should be a
> pretty stout setup for 37's.
>
> Later,
>
> Scott K
76652 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:25am
Subject: Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help appreciated
james,
Converting from 5-on-4.5" to 6-on-5.5" doesn't leave enough room
between the holes. Two of the holes will almost touch each other.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Towle <James.Towle@a...>"
<James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Why not just install adapters on the 8.8? That would bring the 8.8
> width out to where the D44 is and make the lug pattern match. If
you
> were to get some high quality adapters there shouldn't be any
problem
> with them breaking.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Got the Waggy 44. Here is some interesting numbers I thought I'd
> throw
> > your way. I'd like to compile a database of these and post them
to
> the
> > website for future reference.
> > These numbers are wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting
surface.
> >
> > 61.50" TJ D30 axle with the Warn small 5 on 4.5" hub kit.
> > 60.00" TJ stock axle width front and rear
> > 60.75" Waggy 44 axle width
> > 59.25" Ford 8.8
> >
> > Stu runs the small hub kit. His front is now 1.5" wider than the
> rear
> > 44. The Waggy 44 will be 1.5" wider than the 8.8 so you can't do
> much
> > better than that for junkyard swaps :D I've been told that being
> > slightly wider up front allows the rear to track better on the
> trail and
> > street
> >
> > I'm going to get this thing under there and then the next step
will
> be
> > Warn alloys and CTM's. I am going to go ahead and install Dutchman
> > alloys in the matching 6 on 5.5" pattern into the 8.8. Should be a
> > pretty stout setup for 37's.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Scott K
76653 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:26am
Subject: Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help appreciated
You can convert between certain patterns but not necessarily between
all patterns.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lake" <xjcountry93@m...>
wrote:
> I have never looked into it, but I was under the impression that AA
made an adaptor that would change the lug pattern. I guess I know
better now.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 7:56 PM
> To: James.Towle@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help
appreciated
>
> James,
>
> Stu is exactly 1.5" wider up front and its no big deal. Looks fine.
Once
> I saw that I was convinced that the stronger Dutchman alloy shafts
were
> a better way to go. Factoring the sale of the 4 8.8 shafts the out
of
> pocket price is about the same, $135-160.
>
> Most adapter companies won't make adapters to go from 5 lug to 6
lug.
> They will only do 5 to 5, etc. There is one company that would but
they
> are really thick and I did not like them. Here is a pic of this
style
> but in a different lug pattern.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:53 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help
> appreciated
>
>
> Scott,
>
> Why not just install adapters on the 8.8? That would bring the 8.8
> width out to where the D44 is and make the lug pattern match. If
you
> were to get some high quality adapters there shouldn't be any
problem
> with them breaking.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Got the Waggy 44. Here is some interesting numbers I thought I'd
> throw
> > your way. I'd like to compile a database of these and post them to
> the
> > website for future reference.
> > These numbers are wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting
surface.
> >
> > 61.50" TJ D30 axle with the Warn small 5 on 4.5" hub kit.
60.00" TJ
> > stock axle width front and rear 60.75" Waggy 44 axle width
> > 59.25" Ford 8.8
> >
> > Stu runs the small hub kit. His front is now 1.5" wider than the
> rear
> > 44. The Waggy 44 will be 1.5" wider than the 8.8 so you can't do
> much
> > better than that for junkyard swaps :D I've been told that being
> > slightly wider up front allows the rear to track better on the
> trail and
> > street
> >
> > I'm going to get this thing under there and then the next step
will
> be
> > Warn alloys and CTM's. I am going to go ahead and install
Dutchman
> > alloys in the matching 6 on 5.5" pattern into the 8.8. Should be
a
> > pretty stout setup for 37's.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Scott K
>
>
>
>
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76654 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:31am
Subject: RE: Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
We are making progress in establishing ourselves with the land
management folks and this is yet another chance to help solidify that
relationship.
Although I can not make the Sycamore cleanup (just as some folks
couldn't make Table Mesa), I encourage those of you that were not able
to participate at Table Mesa to lend a hand at Sycamore Creek. Here is
a chance to make it up and help keep the world spinning in balance. :>)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Nasser [mailto:nasser88@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:21 PM
To: Michael Wixom; RockRats@yahoogroups. Com; Az_Vjc; Hackle
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
Importance: High
Folks,
Mike and Jim are very correct. We only have 11 members signed up as a
definite. We need to get some more to join the clean up at Sycamore
Creek
area. How about it? There isn't another cleanup scheduled for a while.
Let's see if we can get at least 50.
There are some important land issues being discussed and decided on
these
days, and when we (the OHV community) show our involvement like we did
at
Table Mesa, the agencies take us more seriously and count us a credible
user
and resource group. That is why they are starting to listen to us, and
hopefully act in our favor.
It is imperative to have a strong showing at Sycamore. Just
volunteering
for a few hours this Saturday will go a long way!
Thanks,
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wixom [mailto:h8pvmnt@h...]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:10 PM
To: RockRats@yahoogroups. Com; Az_Vjc; Hackle
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
I would like to reiterate how important this one is, please find some
time
to show up for this clean-up. It is very important to the continued use
of
this area.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "RockRats@yahoogroups. Com" <RockRats@yahoogroups.com>; "Az_Vjc"
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
> I know that we just completed the clean-up at Table Mesa on Sat. but
we
> have another one scheduled for next weekend. Unlike Table Mesa where
we
> cleaned up mostly shooters trash this area is pretty much a mess by
OHV
> users. A trip sign up is available on the web site along with all the
info
> required. The Forest Service is thinking about closing this area to
OHV
use
> we need a strong showing to help change there minds. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
>
>
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76630 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 9:25pm
Subject: RE: Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
Damn! These things always come up when I'm busy or when my rig is down
for upgrades.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nasser [mailto:nasser88@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:21 PM
To: Michael Wixom; RockRats@yahoogroups. Com; Az_Vjc; Hackle
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
Importance: High
Folks,
Mike and Jim are very correct. We only have 11 members signed up as a
definite. We need to get some more to join the clean up at Sycamore
Creek area. How about it? There isn't another cleanup scheduled for a
while. Let's see if we can get at least 50.
There are some important land issues being discussed and decided on
these days, and when we (the OHV community) show our involvement like we
did at Table Mesa, the agencies take us more seriously and count us a
credible user and resource group. That is why they are starting to
listen to us, and hopefully act in our favor.
It is imperative to have a strong showing at Sycamore. Just
volunteering for a few hours this Saturday will go a long way!
Thanks,
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wixom [mailto:h8pvmnt@h...]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:10 PM
To: RockRats@yahoogroups. Com; Az_Vjc; Hackle
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
I would like to reiterate how important this one is, please find some
time to show up for this clean-up. It is very important to the continued
use of this area.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "RockRats@yahoogroups. Com" <RockRats@yahoogroups.com>; "Az_Vjc"
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
> I know that we just completed the clean-up at Table Mesa on Sat. but
> we have another one scheduled for next weekend. Unlike Table Mesa
> where we cleaned up mostly shooters trash this area is pretty much a
> mess by OHV users. A trip sign up is available on the web site along
> with all the info required. The Forest Service is thinking about
> closing this area to OHV
use
> we need a strong showing to help change there minds. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
> Groucho Marx Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
>
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Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 9:33pm
Subject: RE: KONGS was "Thanks to all.."
I would give Joe a call anyway. I just had work done there last week on my
XJ. They installed my lift a couple of months ago and Flexy knows XJ's (bo
knows baseball).
KONG'S 4X4 REPAIR & FAB CTR
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>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>To: "'Gary R. Holmes'" <niitoyis@w...>, number_325@y...
>CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Thanks to all...
>Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:26:21 -0700
>
>I spoke with FlexyXY yesterday at the cleanup and he said Kong's is
>probably closing at the end of this money (the financial backer is
>pulling out). I've no idea if they are trying to remain open under
>different conditions or not but I got the impression that Joe won't be
>there much longer.
>
>Stu
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary R. Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
>Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:19 AM
>To: number_325 <number_325@y...>
>Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Thanks to all...
>
>You might consider Kong's Off-Road also for the installation. They did
>the Rusty's on my Cherokee along with other services (ARB, Detroit, new
>gears) and I am EXTREMELY please with everything they have done. Talk
>to Flexy there.
>
>Gary Holmes
>
>number_325 wrote:
>
>
>Just wanted to say thank you for those that took the time to help me
>answer a question that seems to newbie to you OG's, Im more than
>likely gonna wait three more weeks and go with a Rusty's 4.5"
>suspension lift for my XJ.
>
>so then I wont have to worry about add a leaf stuff and having to
>replace them when they start to droop. Thanks to all and if you
>have any more comments I can DEFINETLY (mispelled) use them.
>
> Now the problem comes with the installation, not only am do I have
>two left hands but father time hasnt given me any, does 4wheeler
>supply install lifts that they dont sell, cuz i thnk that they
>usually deal with RE. I cant even find their phone number in the
>Qwest dex crap. is it Four Wheelers Supply, 4Wheelers supply, or
>FourWheelers supply, I think there is an offroad in there somewhere.
>
>"Im not a jeepaholic, your only one if you attend the meetings"
>
>berto
>97 XJ
>
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76632 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 10:03pm
Subject: [FS] Gas Tanks
Price: 20 ea
Contact: Steve 602-482-2428
2 new (never had gas in) w/repairable shipping (1"-1.5") piercings
1 used w/skid plate
lots of other quality road tested stuff (complaint to city forces sale)
Steve Olney
76633 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 10:05pm
Subject: [FS] 3" rancho Wrangler / CJ springs
Price: $60
Contact: steve 602-482-2428
pair of gently used superlift rear Wrangler springs (work great with shackle conversion in the front of my CJ)
Steve Olney
76634 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 10:16pm
Subject: [FS] CJ7 and or Commando Complete or part
Price: $1000 obo
Contact: steve0 602-482-2428
76 CJ7 no eng/trans/xfer (had V8,AT,QT available separate or with Jeep) 30frt 20 rear (offset or center-I have both) PS,PB, half cab,etc
72 Commando Tired but running 304 V8,TH400,dana 20, 30 front, 44 centerset falanged rear,3.73; removable hard top; needs gas tank,paint,seats,driver
Steve Olney
76635 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 6:03pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] 95yj - gas tank
I saw a 19gal one on Ebay tonight while I was surfing........I think it was $79 at the time
Mike
76636 From: Martin Ward <martinida@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 0:57am
Subject: Re: F**KING THIEVES!!!!!!!!
Whatever you do don't shoot them over our jeep or at least make sure their
bodies are armed when the police show up.
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: <john6612@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] F**KING THIEVES!!!!!!!!
> From recent experience, I know the feeling... be glad they didn't take
your
> entire rig. I ended up putting an alarm system with a pager and proximity
> sensor, hood lock, and kill switch in after my Jeep was broken into. I've
> now helped a few dozen people put in kill switches and I'm hoping someday
to
> have most of the active group have kill switches at a minimum.
>
> Last night, for the first time ever, my alarm pager went off at about
> midnight. I put my robe on, grabbed my flashlight and .45 sig and went
> outside... didn't see anyone and nothing appeared to be touched.
>
> I'm glad they didn't do more than rip off your speaker box... do you live
in
> an apartment complex?
>
> Joe West
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john93yj <john6612@c...> [mailto:john6612@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:56 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] F**KING THIEVES!!!!!!!!
>
> You know it really sucks!!! just walked outside to my 93 YJ and
> found out somebody ripped off my speaker box.. I tell you what if
> they come back for the amps tonight someone is going to get shot!!!!
> I know there are JEEP owners that have experienced this problem!!
>
>
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76637 From: Chad H <rucrzytoo@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:10am
Subject: New to list...
Just moved to AZ a few months ago and wanted to stop
in and say Hey! Moved here from Oklahoma for my job,
currently living in Tucson... anyone else down here?
Chad
88XJ
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76638 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:04am
Subject: Re: New to list...
Chad, there are a handful of people on this list, from Tucson. I am.
There is also a local 4 wheel club, the Tucson Rough Riders. The next
meeting is tomorrow night at 6:30 pm, at the FOP lodge, a little north of
Ft. Lowell, on Dodge..
3445 N Dodge.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad H" <rucrzytoo@y...>
To: "'Az_Vjc@Yahoogroups.Com'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:10 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] New to list...
> Just moved to AZ a few months ago and wanted to stop
> in and say Hey! Moved here from Oklahoma for my job,
> currently living in Tucson... anyone else down here?
> Chad
> 88XJ
>
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76639 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:18am
Subject: [FS] Wheels & Tires
Price: 100.00
Contact: Bruce Gorman (602)550-4379
I have 5 stock Aluminim wheels and tires for a 1988 Wrangler, tires have 65% tread. I thing they are 5 on 4.5 East Mesa area
76640 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:22am
Subject: [FS] Free CJ Body
Price: Free
Contact: Tim (602) 549-6607
I have a 73 CJ 5 tub and fenders tail gate etc. Has som rust. Come and get it No Title.
76641 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:26am
Subject: [FS] Wheels & Tires
Price: $ 100.00
Contact: Bruce (602) 550-4379
I have a set of 5 stock aluminum wheels and tires for a 88 Wrangler with 65% tread. I think they are 5 on 4.5
76642 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:33am
Subject: He's at it again!
I had time on my hands this last friday, and made a swing-away tire carrier for the Jeep. There is room for 4 5 gallon as cans, or a full sized ice chest. will hold at least 300 lbs. (hill-billy test method, 600 lbs of steel, no breaks)
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76643 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:18am
Subject: Fwd: BLM Statement regarding CA OHV Commission's denial of BLM grant request for Imperial Sand Dunes
Please note the potential impact of this action. The OHV Commission
is responsible for allocating money to grants for recreation. The
money in question is part of what is called the "Green Sticker"
funds. The source of this money is from gas tax paid by off-road
recreationists and by state law is required to be spent on recreation.
As new commission members appointed represent environmentalist
interests, the recreation activities that generate these funds are
being shorted or denied their portion.
Many states are working to establish (or have) similar programs.
This is an example of how a good program can be destroyed.
*****************************************
<http://www.ca.blm.gov/news/2003/01/nr/Dunes/Conv.htm>http://www.ca.blm.gov/news/2003/01/nr/Dunes/Conv.htm
Statement regarding CA OHV Commission's denial of BLM grant request
for Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area, Imperial County, California,
January 23, 2003
Background: BLM requested $1.4 million in grant funds for the
Imperial Sand Dunes. These grant funds have been provided by the
state for many years to match federal appropriations for this area,
comprising about 160,000 acres. In December 2002, the commission
granted $292,000 to assist with the dramatically increasing law
enforcement costs at the Dunes for peak holiday weekends, when
visitation can sometimes exceed 200,000 people. At that time, the
commission deferred a vote on the additional funds ($1.1 million in
operations and maintenance funds) until today's meeting. Annually,
more than 3 million people visit the Dunes, considered a world-class
recreation area. (Correction 1/24/03: an analysis of recent figures
shows that about 1.4 million people visited the dunes in 2002).
Today's 4-3 vote was attributed by some commission members to BLM'
not yet completing the update of the 1987 Recreation Area Management
Plan (RAMP) that is currently underway. The update was needed to
address increasing visitor use and protection of listed species,
including the threatened Peirson' milkvetch. BLM published a draft in
March of 2002 and is currently reviewing the 10,000 comments received
and consulting with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in preparation
of the final plan, which should be completed sometime this spring or
early summer.
BLM Statement:
"We are very disappointed in the commission's action today. BLM has
always considered OHV recreation in California to be a partnership
between the federal and state governments, with BLM supplying the
land and recreation opportunities, and the state assisting us in
funding through the grant program.
The denial of $1.1 million in grant funds will have a significant
impact on the Dunes and the more than 3 million people who visit the
Dunes annually. These funds were to be used for visitor services,
including sanitation facilities, trash removal, environmental
monitoring and countless other activities.
BLM is diligently working the Recreation Area Management Plan for the
Dunes and we have been delayed only due to the large volume of public
comments and the complexity of trying to balance the intensive public
use with the need for environmental protection, particularly
threatened wildlife and plant species.
We hope that when the plan is completed in the late spring or early
summer, the commission will revisit today's action and reinforce the
long partnership BLM has had with California in providing recreation
opportunities to the public.
If the funds are not restored, BLM would not rule out other options
for the Dunes, including raising fees, reducing services, moving
funds from other recreation areas in the desert, or other
cost-cutting measures. Such measures would be regrettable, as much
progress has been made recently to provide services to the families
that have historically enjoyed this area."
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76644 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:23am
Subject: [FS] Bike Rack attaches to jeep spare tire lugs
Price: $25
Contact: Michael Kinnaird 602-723-0915
New with lock and keys, bike rack for any jeep. Mounts to lugs of spare tire. Carries two bikes.
Michael Kinnaird
76645 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:28am
Subject: Fwd: National + ESA
>From: JSmit10695@a...
>Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:19:27 EST
>Subject: National + ESA
>
>THE PREDATOR CARD
>
>(Note: This fine article continues to shine light on the actions of those
>that profess to be 'saving' predators, all the while and with malice
>aforethought, putting people and their children and pets and livestock IN
>HARMS WAY.)
>
>January 6, 2003
>
>By Jim Beers
>
>jimbeers7@e...
>
>In their relentless campaign to destroy the American way of life, the
>environmentalists and animal rights radicals are steadily throwing new logs
>on the fire. One of their favorite ploys is the victimization of predators.
>The common sense reality that people in the United States wisely and
>purposely eliminated dangerous predators from large areas of human habitation
>is touted as not only immoral but also somehow bad for "the environment."
>
>In the past thirty years we have seen the Federal government, at the behest
>of radical organizations, vote-seeking politicians, and career-enhancing
>bureaucrats, use laws and regulations to force wolves into the upper Midwest
>and the West. Likewise grizzly bears have been forcefully expanded
>throughout the upper Rockies.
>
>In the past week the likes of Jane 'living with chimpanzees' Goodall and a
>hodgepodge of radicals have called for "protection" and "listing" -- under
>the Endangered Species Act -- of mountain lions.
>
>No doubt millions of urbanites, children, and Animal Planet producers will
>send money and ask their Federal Representative to "do something."
>
>Mountain lions (or cougar, puma or catamount) are ubiquitous throughout the
>Western US and Canadian Rockies south to the tip of South America. They are
>historically notorious killers of livestock, pets, and people.
>
>When California stopped all management and hunting of cougars a few years
>ago, the incidence of attacks on people -- from joggers and hikers to
>homeowners, both deadly and gravely injurious -- increased dramatically.
>
>Bighorn sheep in the Sierras were listed as "Endangered" and their Federal
>Endangered Species Recovery Plan cited predation by cougars as THE reason.
>
>By the way, the Federal animal damage control people (whose salary all of us
>pay) then began "controlling" (i.e., killing) California's cougars which its'
>good residents had "saved" only a few short years before. This was justified
>to "save" the bighorn sheep.
>
>As more and more western urban areas and environmentalists and animal rights
>activists have limited cougar hunting, cougar hunting methods, and hunting
>areas the cougar numbers in and around towns and cities have increased.
>
>There has been a concomitant increase in deadly attacks on everyone from high
>school athletes to little children hiking with Church groups.
>
>Cougars kill and eat people.
>
>They severely injure women stepping out on their deck.
>
>They kill pets as well as livestock.
>
>The longer they are "protected," the more (like deer in a National Park) they
>become bold around people.
>
>In this instance however, they don't beg for candy as you drive by -- they
>kill your pet and eat your child in the backyard.
>
>When they kill a person, they drag them off a long way and consume most, if
>not all, while covering up the rest.
>
>More often than not, finding the evidence of the incident is next to
>impossible to document (especially today when more and more
>cougar-hunting dog packs are being put out of business by these same
>activists and their uneducated and ignorant urban supporters).
>
>As a retired wildlife biologist, I will state unequivocally that a lack of
>cougars throughout much of the US is good for the "ecosystem" and a blessing
>to hundreds of millions who live near or recreate in currently occupied
>cougar territory WHERE THEY ARE HUNTED and managed to minimize their dangers
>and damage to people.
>
>The tired propaganda and nostrums to eliminate cougar management and cougar
>hunting are as follows:
>
>It shocks the sensibilities of Jane Goodall and her activist friends. These
>same folks are no doubt equally shocked by hooked fish, trapped muskrats,
>logged trees, pheasant dinners, circuses, and many other etceteras.
>
>It is conducted when young cougars may still need their mother. The fact
>that cougars have done well for years under such regimes is forgotten.
>
>It is "unfair" and not "sporting." This from folks that are committed to
>eliminating all such "sport."
>
>We "don't know enough" about cougars. We never know enough about anything
>touted for "listing" or "saving."
>
>We don't need to manage them. This from increasingly unethical biologists in
>Universities and natural resource agencies. These are the folks who want to
>feather their careers if and when these radicals succeed in changing the
>management of natural resources into the Animal Planet nirvana so beloved of
>urban children and advertisers.
>
>No one needs to kill a cougar. Remember this one because everything you do
>can be characterized this way. These same radical folks, through an
>all-powerful central government, are ready, willing, and able to write the
>laws and regulations to proscribe every phase of your life and your property
>rights in just these terms.
>
>There is more but you get the point. Cougars are the responsibility of state
>governments and should stay that way. If West Virginia wants to have some
>around to hunt or run with dogs, their state politicians should answer for
>whatever does or does not result. If Idaho wants six cougars in every
>Township or indeed wants no cougars in certain areas, their state government
>will answer to Idaho voters for such policies. In fact, if California voters
>want 4 or 5 people killed each year; and a hundred serious maulings each
>year; unlimited pet losses; constant danger to unattended children; and
>seriously depleted populations of whatever wild and domestic animals the
>cougars find tasty then so be it. Only don't expect the rest of the country
>to pay for it!
>
>Cougars kill people just as do wolves, grizzly bears, and sharks. How
>formerly intelligent populations of Americans came to accept these silly and
>deadly concepts of predators is something I cannot understand. Predators
>such as these should be managed such that their behavior, their numbers, and
>their distribution pose the least threat to human beings of all stripes. The
>next time one of these bozos tell you about wearing bells in bear country, or
>puffing up or not looking into the eyes of one of these predators poke them
>in the eye and explain about big bore handguns and 00 buck shot as better
>alternatives. When they tell you about how wolves don't kill people, remind
>them of the 30 to 40 killed annually in India alone. When they spout those
>socialist droppings about you being in the animals habitat and how the
>government should own the area, tell them about how happy they would be in
>China or North Korea where government owns the people instead of the other
>way around. When they mention bears tell them about all the hushed up campers
>and hikers killed in Montana National Parks in particular. When they say
>Black bears aren't managed in National Parks tell them that for years Park
>managers live trapped black bears in Parks, drove them miles away and kicked
>them out on National forests while bear season was open! When they start
>whining about the "poor cougar" tell them to get a life and worry about the
>poor children endangered by such nonsense.
>
>Finally, never forget that if this is successful, more land will be off
>limits to more human activities. Rural residents will have yet another
>reason to sell out to the government or their surrogates such as the Nature
>Conservancy. More land will become devoid of human activity and presence
>thereby furthering the agenda that would have us all living where they tell
>us and only doing what they permit. I don't know about you, but I think this
>is worth fighting for.
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
76646 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:30am
Subject: Fwd: Action Alert - Support in Congress Needed
COALITION OF AZ/NM COUNTIES
ACTION ALERT
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS REQUEST TO SEND LETTERS TO MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS REQUEST
THIS ACTION WILL TAKE YOU LESS THAN 5 MINUTES. PLEASE RESPOND!!!!
Support the President's Healthy Forests Initiative by contacting
your Congressional representatives.
January 26, 2003
Advocates for President Bush' healthy forest reforms have indicated
that additional support would be helpful from Congressional
representatives. To assist in sending letters urging your own
Congressional delegation to support these important initiatives, a
simple click & send email letter is available at LandSense. All you
need to do is click on the CapWiz/Landsense URL below and follow the
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The Healthy Forests Initiative is a broad program to reduce
catastrophic wildfire on public forests by introducing forest
management changes.
Many have answered the call to send letters and comments to the
various federal agencies in support of these proposed reforms. If
you have done so, this additional effort will ensure that your
Congressional representatives also understand your beliefs.
Note: If your software does not open the hyperlink above, copy the
actual URL below, paste it into your internet browser's URL field,
and click enter or go:
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--
Howard Hutchinson
Executive Director
Coalition of Arizona/New Mexico Counties
P.O. Box 125
Glenwood, New Mexico 88039
Phone 505-539-2709
Fax 505-539-2708
--
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Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
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76647 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:32am
Subject: [FS] Holley Carb, Mallory Distributor and flat top knuckles for sale
Price: $175, $150 and $50
Contact: Kevin Mayo 602-370-9820 (No voice mail)
Holley 650 CFM 4 barrel carb #80783-1 for sale. 1 year old, vacuum secondaries, center hung float bowls, off-road needle and seats, power valve blow-out protection, electric choke, sells new $340.00. Sell for $175.00.
Mallory Unilite Distributor #MAA-4760001 for AMC V-8. 1 year old, vacuum advance, includes dist. drive gear, cap, 2 rotors and LED trigger protection box. Sells new $290.00. Sell for $150.00.
Chevy Dana 44 driver and passeger flat top knuckles for sale. $50.00 for pair.
Best offer takes the parts.
Kevin Mayo
76648 From: roy95yj <roy95yj@y...> <roy95yj@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 8:51am
Subject: cross member
Hello all,
We are looking for a crossmember for a 1996 XJ 2dr, 5speed trans.
anybody have one for sale? Thanks
Roy
76649 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:08am
Subject: Re: cross member
Roy,
You might check with AMC 4 X 4 Salvage (623-937-5899) in Glendale.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
"roy95yj " wrote:
> Hello all,
> We are looking for a crossmember for a 1996 XJ 2dr, 5speed trans.
> anybody have one for sale? Thanks
>
> Roy
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
76650 From: Tom Jacobson <tjacobson@t...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:14am
Subject: Re: East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
Hey Scott,
FWIW, I'm sorry about that confusing comment. I read Nasser's original post and just assumed it was near the Uncle Bear's (hey, there USED to be car shows over there!). I was at UB's around 5:30/6:00 and couldn't find the show either. The guys at Checker thought it was back at Arizona Ave, so headed back over that way and noticed the group parked at McQueen/Warner. Sorry you missed it.
To everyone else, was good seeing you. I can't wait to get my Jeep rolling again!
Tom J.
Message: 20
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:17:28 -0000
From: "Scott Edwards <azcj@y...>" <azcj@y...>
Subject: Re: East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
I tried to go to this last night but couldn't find it. Never saw a
location so I just went by the comment about it being across from
Uncle Bear's. The only UB's I found was at Cooper and Warner. I drove
all around that area last night just before 7pm and didn't see
anything resembling a group of people looking at cars. Ended up just
eating at UB's around 7:30. Didn't see anyone or any Jeeps that I
recognized but at least the food was great. So where was this thing
anyways???
I'm planning to head up to the Scottsdale Pavillions tonight around
5:30 or 6 if anyone's going to be there. Look for a white TJ with a
white soft top and 35s.
-Scott Edwards
'97 TJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jacobson" <tjacobson@t...> wrote:
> Nasser,
>
> I can't commit for sure, but hope to stop by for a while. The Jeep
is kinda sick right now, so I won't be driving it over. Uncle Bear's
is just across the street and would be great for a little food and
beverage after the show.
>
> Tom J.
>
> From: Nasser [mailto:nasser88@c...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:50 PM
> > To: Az_Vjc@Yahoogroups. Com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
> >
> > Folks,
76651 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:22am
Subject: Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help appreciated
those numbers sound right to me. My Waggy 44 was less than 1" wider
than my YJ Dana 30. I think your 44 with allows and CTM's will be
plenty strong for 37's.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Got the Waggy 44. Here is some interesting numbers I thought I'd
throw
> your way. I'd like to compile a database of these and post them to
the
> website for future reference.
> These numbers are wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting surface.
>
> 61.50" TJ D30 axle with the Warn small 5 on 4.5" hub kit.
> 60.00" TJ stock axle width front and rear
> 60.75" Waggy 44 axle width
> 59.25" Ford 8.8
>
> Stu runs the small hub kit. His front is now 1.5" wider than the
rear
> 44. The Waggy 44 will be 1.5" wider than the 8.8 so you can't do
much
> better than that for junkyard swaps :D I've been told that being
> slightly wider up front allows the rear to track better on the
trail and
> street
>
> I'm going to get this thing under there and then the next step will
be
> Warn alloys and CTM's. I am going to go ahead and install Dutchman
> alloys in the matching 6 on 5.5" pattern into the 8.8. Should be a
> pretty stout setup for 37's.
>
> Later,
>
> Scott K
76652 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:25am
Subject: Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help appreciated
james,
Converting from 5-on-4.5" to 6-on-5.5" doesn't leave enough room
between the holes. Two of the holes will almost touch each other.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Towle <James.Towle@a...>"
<James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Why not just install adapters on the 8.8? That would bring the 8.8
> width out to where the D44 is and make the lug pattern match. If
you
> were to get some high quality adapters there shouldn't be any
problem
> with them breaking.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Got the Waggy 44. Here is some interesting numbers I thought I'd
> throw
> > your way. I'd like to compile a database of these and post them
to
> the
> > website for future reference.
> > These numbers are wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting
surface.
> >
> > 61.50" TJ D30 axle with the Warn small 5 on 4.5" hub kit.
> > 60.00" TJ stock axle width front and rear
> > 60.75" Waggy 44 axle width
> > 59.25" Ford 8.8
> >
> > Stu runs the small hub kit. His front is now 1.5" wider than the
> rear
> > 44. The Waggy 44 will be 1.5" wider than the 8.8 so you can't do
> much
> > better than that for junkyard swaps :D I've been told that being
> > slightly wider up front allows the rear to track better on the
> trail and
> > street
> >
> > I'm going to get this thing under there and then the next step
will
> be
> > Warn alloys and CTM's. I am going to go ahead and install Dutchman
> > alloys in the matching 6 on 5.5" pattern into the 8.8. Should be a
> > pretty stout setup for 37's.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Scott K
76653 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:26am
Subject: Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help appreciated
You can convert between certain patterns but not necessarily between
all patterns.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lake" <xjcountry93@m...>
wrote:
> I have never looked into it, but I was under the impression that AA
made an adaptor that would change the lug pattern. I guess I know
better now.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 7:56 PM
> To: James.Towle@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help
appreciated
>
> James,
>
> Stu is exactly 1.5" wider up front and its no big deal. Looks fine.
Once
> I saw that I was convinced that the stronger Dutchman alloy shafts
were
> a better way to go. Factoring the sale of the 4 8.8 shafts the out
of
> pocket price is about the same, $135-160.
>
> Most adapter companies won't make adapters to go from 5 lug to 6
lug.
> They will only do 5 to 5, etc. There is one company that would but
they
> are really thick and I did not like them. Here is a pic of this
style
> but in a different lug pattern.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:53 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Interesting axle width numbers. Your help
> appreciated
>
>
> Scott,
>
> Why not just install adapters on the 8.8? That would bring the 8.8
> width out to where the D44 is and make the lug pattern match. If
you
> were to get some high quality adapters there shouldn't be any
problem
> with them breaking.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Got the Waggy 44. Here is some interesting numbers I thought I'd
> throw
> > your way. I'd like to compile a database of these and post them to
> the
> > website for future reference.
> > These numbers are wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting
surface.
> >
> > 61.50" TJ D30 axle with the Warn small 5 on 4.5" hub kit.
60.00" TJ
> > stock axle width front and rear 60.75" Waggy 44 axle width
> > 59.25" Ford 8.8
> >
> > Stu runs the small hub kit. His front is now 1.5" wider than the
> rear
> > 44. The Waggy 44 will be 1.5" wider than the 8.8 so you can't do
> much
> > better than that for junkyard swaps :D I've been told that being
> > slightly wider up front allows the rear to track better on the
> trail and
> > street
> >
> > I'm going to get this thing under there and then the next step
will
> be
> > Warn alloys and CTM's. I am going to go ahead and install
Dutchman
> > alloys in the matching 6 on 5.5" pattern into the 8.8. Should be
a
> > pretty stout setup for 37's.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Scott K
>
>
>
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
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76654 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:31am
Subject: RE: Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
We are making progress in establishing ourselves with the land
management folks and this is yet another chance to help solidify that
relationship.
Although I can not make the Sycamore cleanup (just as some folks
couldn't make Table Mesa), I encourage those of you that were not able
to participate at Table Mesa to lend a hand at Sycamore Creek. Here is
a chance to make it up and help keep the world spinning in balance. :>)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Nasser [mailto:nasser88@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:21 PM
To: Michael Wixom; RockRats@yahoogroups. Com; Az_Vjc; Hackle
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
Importance: High
Folks,
Mike and Jim are very correct. We only have 11 members signed up as a
definite. We need to get some more to join the clean up at Sycamore
Creek
area. How about it? There isn't another cleanup scheduled for a while.
Let's see if we can get at least 50.
There are some important land issues being discussed and decided on
these
days, and when we (the OHV community) show our involvement like we did
at
Table Mesa, the agencies take us more seriously and count us a credible
user
and resource group. That is why they are starting to listen to us, and
hopefully act in our favor.
It is imperative to have a strong showing at Sycamore. Just
volunteering
for a few hours this Saturday will go a long way!
Thanks,
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wixom [mailto:h8pvmnt@h...]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:10 PM
To: RockRats@yahoogroups. Com; Az_Vjc; Hackle
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
I would like to reiterate how important this one is, please find some
time
to show up for this clean-up. It is very important to the continued use
of
this area.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "RockRats@yahoogroups. Com" <RockRats@yahoogroups.com>; "Az_Vjc"
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Next Weekend Clean-up IMPORTANT
> I know that we just completed the clean-up at Table Mesa on Sat. but
we
> have another one scheduled for next weekend. Unlike Table Mesa where
we
> cleaned up mostly shooters trash this area is pretty much a mess by
OHV
> users. A trip sign up is available on the web site along with all the
info
> required. The Forest Service is thinking about closing this area to
OHV
use
> we need a strong showing to help change there minds. Jim F.
>
> "I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
Groucho
> Marx
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
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