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76227 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:22am
Subject: [FS] 2 RE 4.5 front springs
Price: $90
Contact: coxy8@yahoo.com
I have two 4.5 inch Rubicon Express springs for the front. This was part of my RE 4.5 superflex kit. They are about 2 years old. I set them up to the new ones that I got and they were still the same size. They didn't seem to sag at all. I believe the new ones go for $170.
Thanks,
Jeff Cox
Jeff Cox
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76228 From: cj4rox <cj4rox@y...> <cj4rox@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:50am
Subject: Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
Is anyone planning on running any trails after the cleanup? Or, is
that the point, to pick a trail & clean it? Or are we just doing the
parking & wash areas around the entrance?
Trying to figure out what I need to pack for gear.
Thanks
Dan Siegel
76229 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:49am
Subject: Re: roof rack
i really like this setup mike! what kind of bender did you use?
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Beckham" <jeepnut7261@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <swaders7@y...>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] roof rack
> You could make you own....;)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <swaders7@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:57 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] roof rack
>
>
> > Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get one for
> > when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
> > dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
> > (Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
> >
> > ~Wade
> > '97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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>
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76230 From: Nasser <nasser88@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:57am
Subject: RE: Where to buy reamers?
Chris,
If you want it today, you can try McFadden-Dale (602-304-9141) on 32nd
street and Broadway in Phoenix. Harbor freight may have some too (junk).
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:21 AM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] Where to buy reamers?
I need to ream the holes in my steering knuckles to accept the new 1
ton ends I got. Are these available in places like Loews or Home Depot?
Is there any specific type I need to buy?
Thanks,
Chris
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76231 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:00am
Subject: RE: Re: 2003 Jamboree
Linda,
Quite frankly Jamboree would have fallen flat on it's A** if it wasn't for
VJC this past year!!!! Want to lay bets as to how many ASA4WDC "club"
members show to the cleanup on Saturday vs how many VJC!!!
When it comes to "letters", "support", "work", "charity" or simply respect
we can be guaranteed response from VJC..... a "H" more than ASA4WDC.
You're right.......... a majority of them do not want the restrictions of
incorporating, dues, by-laws etc but that does not put them outside the
circle. Many of them ARE changing........... I'll lay bets MORE VJC guys
have State Land Permits than do the ASA4WDC Club Members!
What's with your attitude with VJC?
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
> [mailto:minihummer@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:09 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 2003 Jamboree
>
>
> Why in the heck would a bunch of 4-wheelers who don't care to be a
> part of organized 4-wheeling care about when the ASA4WDC Jamboree is
> being held? I doubt the more than 10% of the folks in the AZVJC are
> memebers of ASA4WDC member clubs or belong as individual members to
> the ASA4WDC or the UFWDA -- because it costs too much. There is no
> point in posting ASA4WDC business on this forum.
>
> Linda
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> wrote:
> > Brad and Board........
> > I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then talked
> to Sgt
> > McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
> >
> > The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use this
> year.
> > They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree will have to be
> Oct.
> > 9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26 is Spook Rally.. I have
> > requested "confirmation" of this date.
> >
> > Sandee
>
>
>
>
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76232 From: Brad Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:20am
Subject: RE: Table Mesa Cleanup
Thanks Sandee, there are a lot of people who we know will be there, but
there is definitely room for improvement. Given the number of members
we have, we could really expect to have more people participating, we
still only have 47 definite signed up. If you have any thoughts on how
to get the word out or how to motivate the group, please jump in.
Thanks again and see you Saturday.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:14 PM
To: Brad Kilgore
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Table Mesa Cleanup
Jack and I will be there............. that's a given!!! I have "no
choice,
thusly Jack has "no choice". That plan WORKS!
A bunch of the ARC guys that are also VJC members will be there also.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BradP Kilgore [mailto:brad.kilgore@p...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:20 PM
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Table Mesa Cleanup
> Importance: High
>
>
> I was just talking to Troy and we would like to see more people
> participate in the Cleanup. Troy has offered to give a
> certificate for an additional 10% discount on his product and
> services, (for a total $20%), to all people who participate in
> the cleanup. Just for showing up people!
>
> In addition, if we can get a minimum of 75 people to participate,
> we have 46 definite right now, Toys by Troy will give a $500.00
> gift certificate for the most trash collected. This is a great
> deal for a really good cause. We're still trying to figure out
> how to measure the trash, weighing it, piling it, etc.
>
> If anyone has any other ideas on ways to motivate people to come
> and help, please respond with your thoughts.
>
> Thanks to everyone.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
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76233 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:26am
Subject: Environmental labs caught faking data
Anyone remember the Lynx fiasco of a year ago???
7
Environmental labs caught faking data Ý
Private laboratories are increasingly being caught falsifying test
results for air quality, water supplies, petroleum products,
underground tanks and soil, hampering the government's ability to
ensure that Americans are protected by environmental laws,
investigators say. The fraud has caused millions of people to fill
their cars with substandard gasoline that may have violated clean-air
standards, or to drink water not properly tested for safety, the
officials said. (01/22/03) Seattle Times
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/134619756_labs22.html
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
76234 From: <gotrox@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:27am
Subject: Jamboree 2003
Linda, I would have to agree with Sandee, the VJC has done alot for the wheeling community. It is whats driving ASA4WDC to re-evaluate there public relations with the community. Many of the VJC don't see what ASA is doing when it comes to land issues or what the organization is about. It is time that people get involved with the ASA and fix it so that there is no mistaking what it's benefits are. I see a major leadership change for ASA in the future. Information lead to knowledge, if ASA or and individual wants to post info on this board regarding Jamboree or any other event, why not?
Neal Han****
Arizona Rock Crawlers
ASA4WDC Delegate
From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:00 am
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: 2003 Jamboree
Linda,
Quite frankly Jamboree would have fallen flat on it's A** if it wasn't for
VJC this past year!!!! Want to lay bets as to how many ASA4WDC "club"
members show to the cleanup on Saturday vs how many VJC!!!
When it comes to "letters", "support", "work", "charity" or simply respect
we can be guaranteed response from VJC..... a "H" more than ASA4WDC.
You're right.......... a majority of them do not want the restrictions of
incorporating, dues, by-laws etc but that does not put them outside the
circle. Many of them ARE changing........... I'll lay bets MORE VJC guys
have State Land Permits than do the ASA4WDC Club Members!
What's with your attitude with VJC?
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
> [mailto:minihummer@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:09 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 2003 Jamboree
>
>
> Why in the heck would a bunch of 4-wheelers who don't care to be a
> part of organized 4-wheeling care about when the ASA4WDC Jamboree is
> being held? I doubt the more than 10% of the folks in the AZVJC are
> memebers of ASA4WDC member clubs or belong as individual members to
> the ASA4WDC or the UFWDA -- because it costs too much. There is no
> point in posting ASA4WDC business on this forum.
>
> Linda
76235 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:18am
Subject: RE: Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
There are a number of groups going out on trails after the cleanup. The
intent is not to "clean" the trails..... we do that normally. The clean up
is mostly for the large dump and shooting areas............. I know, it's
not our mess but it's one of the easiest ways to "make points" with the
agencies!
I know there is a "sign-in" sheet for everyone............. is the VJC
going to have one of their own??? I'll have a table with State Permits near
the sign-in area. Can do a VJC sign-in there if you'd like........
See you there. Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cj4rox <cj4rox@y...> [mailto:cj4rox@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:51 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
>
>
> Is anyone planning on running any trails after the cleanup? Or, is
> that the point, to pick a trail & clean it? Or are we just doing the
> parking & wash areas around the entrance?
> Trying to figure out what I need to pack for gear.
>
> Thanks
> Dan Siegel
>
>
>
>
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>
>
76236 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:30am
Subject: RE: Re: steering column
The shop on Grand is Arizona Trail Werks, (602) 254-1551.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: dbkcs [dbkcs@y...] [mailto:dbkcs@y...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:21 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: steering column
4x4 salvage down at 3125 W. Broadway in Phoenix. If not there is a
Jeep parts shop on Grand Ave and 31 Ave. Sorry don't remember the
name but they do have parts also.
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76237 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:31am
Subject: Re: roof rack
1/2 tubing and the hydraulic setup that is hand pumped
----- Original Message -----
From: "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <swaders7@y...>; "Michael Beckham"
<jeepnut7261@h...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] roof rack
> i really like this setup mike! what kind of bender did you use?
>
>
> Sean Speer
> OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Beckham" <jeepnut7261@h...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <swaders7@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] roof rack
>
>
> > You could make you own....;)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <swaders7@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:57 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] roof rack
> >
> >
> > > Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get one for
> > > when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
> > > dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
> > > (Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
> > >
> > > ~Wade
> > > '97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
76238 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:32am
Subject: RE: East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
Where is it at? I might con the ol' lady into stopping by.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nasser [mailto:nasser88@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:50 PM
To: Az_Vjc@Yahoogroups. Com
Subject: [az_vjc] East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
Folks,
This is just a reminder:
This coming Friday evening the 24th there is a car show that we've been
invited to attend. It is a very casual event. It is a great
opportunity to
meet other club members and chat. Bring your cameras, as there are
antique
autos, classics, some military vehicles, etc.
Last year we had a dozen members show up and we had a great time. The
event
starts at 5:45ish until 8:00 pm or so, and you can come and go as you
please.
Come and check it out,
Nasser
Ps West Valley members are invited if you don't mind the drive.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
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76239 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:53am
Subject: RE: Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
Sandee,
Do you know of any efforts made to inform the target shooting community
of this clean up? What kind of "points" are we getting? We clean up the
junk made by a totally different recreation and we keep the trails we
wheel open? I feel our efforts would be better recognized if we found a
way to educate the real responsible parties and have them clean up there
own brethren's trash.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:19 AM
To: cj4rox@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
There are a number of groups going out on trails after the cleanup. The
intent is not to "clean" the trails..... we do that normally. The
clean up is mostly for the large dump and shooting areas............. I
know, it's not our mess but it's one of the easiest ways to "make
points" with the agencies!
I know there is a "sign-in" sheet for everyone............. is the VJC
going to have one of their own??? I'll have a table with State Permits
near the sign-in area. Can do a VJC sign-in there if you'd like........
See you there. Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cj4rox <cj4rox@y...> [mailto:cj4rox@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:51 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
>
>
> Is anyone planning on running any trails after the cleanup? Or, is
> that the point, to pick a trail & clean it? Or are we just doing the
> parking & wash areas around the entrance? Trying to figure out what I
> need to pack for gear.
>
> Thanks
> Dan Siegel
>
>
>
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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76240 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:00am
Subject: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Oops! Ok, I'll be quiet now. Maybe I'll go grease my CV joints.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Lachlan,
>
> Be quiet, and "put that arm back inside the Jeep!" LOL
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:20 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
>
> Didn't you used to say that wheel adapters were an accident
> waiting to happen because instead of just five lug nuts to loosen
up
> on you, now there are ten per wheel? Just wondering... I thought
> that you said that a while ago. :)
>
> Lachlan
>
>
> In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Roger,
> >
> > My pitman arm is drilled for the ORF steering so I need to
replace
> it. I
> > was thinking about using a Waggy pitman arm because it has a lot
> more
> > metal around the hole. I won't know if it needs to be dropped or
not
> > until I get it in my garage on Saturday and take some
measurements.
> When
> > I weld on the axle brackets I will have to adjust the angle of my
> > trackbar to run parallel to the higher steering.
> >
> > I called Dutchman today. They say the 8.8 shafts cannot be
redrilled
> > because the material around the flange is weak. A set of 31
spline
> alloy
> > shafts in 6x5.5" pattern would be $240 a pair with studs
installed.
> So
> > it's an improvement in strength too. They will drill the rotors
at
> the
> > same time and make sure they match up. Drilling the rotors costs
> $35 a
> > pair. They assured me that they have done this before and there is
> > plenty of room inside the hat of the rotor for the shaft.
> >
> > Or I can get some wheel adaptors to go to 6x5.5" pattern. Cost is
> > $99-125 a pair depending on the source. I already have a spare
set
> of
> > shafts so this might make more sense. Consider these measurements:
> >
> > Stock TJ D30 and D35: 60.00"
> > Ford 8.8: 59.25"
> >
> > Wagoneer front 44: 61.50"
> > Ford 8.8 with 6on5.5 adaptors 61.25"
> >
> > I'm currently running 15x10's with 3.75" backspacing. If I get
> wheels
> > that have 4.5" backspacing I will move each side in 3/4" which
> > ultimately puts my width sidewall to sidewall up front at the
same
> width
> > as I currently am. The rear will be 1/4" narrower than the front,
> but
> > 1/2" wider than it is now. So the adapters start to look good.
> > Replacement parts are cheaper to acquire if needed. I can still
> install
> > off the shelf alloy shafts later on.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:51 AM
> > To: Scott Kruize
> > Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> >
> >
> > Are you having the shafts and rotors redrilled or just the
rotors?
> If
> > you're ordering new shafts, might you also need to consider the
> center
> > holes in the rotors (assuming they center on the end of the shaft
> > instead of the lugs)?
> >
> > I agree the low pinion isn't that much of an issue because most
of
> the
> > time you place your front tires on the high points and the
> pinion/shaft
> > don't touch anything - even with the low pinion. I've only hit
my
> front
> > shaft on the rocks once and that was when I took a bad line and
then
> > slid sideways.
> >
> > As for the steering, I kept the Waggy tie rod and drag link.
You're
> > right that the Waggy tie rod and drag link are significantly more
> beefy
> > than both the YJ and TJ links. And the length was correct.
> >
> > Note that since the Waggy tie rod is on top of the knuckle arms,
I
> had
> > to remove my drop pitman arm and go back to my stock pitman arm.
I
> view
> > this as a good thing. You might to do the same although you have
> more
> > lift than me so it's not clear.
> >
> > You will also have to get your pitman arm reamed out to accept
the
> Waggy
> > drag link end as it is bigger than your stock drag link end. OR
Fab
> did
> > mine but most fab shops can probably do this. The hole has a
> conical
> > shape which means you can't just use a normal drill bit to do it.
> >
> > Let me know if you have any other questions.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > Scott Kruize wrote:
> >
> > > Roger,
> > >
> > > I am picking up a Waggy 44 front end on Saturday morning. I
will
> have
> > > the 8.8 redrilled to match the front 6 on 5.5 pattern like you
> did
> > > with your D44 rear end. I ultimately decided that hi pinion
> wasn't a
> > > big issue. Look at this pic of my TJ with the low pinion 30 and
> you
> > > will see why.
> > >
> > > I am also getting the Waggy steering so I'll just run the
knuckle
> over
> >
> > > setup. That Waggy tierod and draglink look damn beefy and
should
> raise
> >
> > > my steering up 3-4 inches compared to my ORF steering.
Supposedly
> the
> > > length works fine with the TJs and Yjs. Which steering did you
> use on
> > > yours?
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:04 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
> wrote:
> > > > <snip>
> > > > Regarding cost of switching the rear bolt pattern consider
> this: Is
> > > it
> > > > cheaper to convert pattern or try to add disk brakes to the
35?
> It's
> >
> > > > pretty much a wash here unless you don't mind the drum
brakes.
> > > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Horshe****! Er... I mean, agreed! ;-)
> > >
> > > I wasn't endorsing the Super 35 kit over the 8.8 swap. (Sorry
if
> it
> > > came across that way.) Instead, I was merely trying to point
out
> a
> > > possible issue that a lot of people might not think about until
> long
> > > after the 8.8 swap was done and it was time for a front axle
swap.
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > >
> > >
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76241 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:00am
Subject: Re: Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
In a message dated 1/23/2003 7:56:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, joey@desertjeep.com writes:
Sandee,
Do you know of any efforts made to inform the target shooting community
of this clean up? What kind of "points" are we getting? We clean up the
junk made by a totally different recreation and we keep the trails we
wheel open? I feel our efforts would be better recognized if we found a
way to educate the real responsible parties and have them clean up there
own brethren's trash.
Joey K
93YJ
Joey,
You make a great point, but I feel that the people that are doing the shooting, arent exactly the ones from the "target shootig community". Unfortunantly, these people, in my mind, are placed in the "moron" category and I am not sure were we could educate them. But I wouldbe up fpr trying.
John K
76242 From: drshieldsut <drshieldsut@y...> <drshieldsut@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:00am
Subject: Re: 2003 Jamboree
Sandee, have you considered what is going on in Framington
w/CalRocs/ARCA/Jeep Week thing from Oct 4-11. It might compete with
people wanting to attend both if yopu are doing the Oct 9-12 time
period for the Jamboree.
Just a thought.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
wrote:
> Brad and Board........
> I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then talked
to Sgt
> McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
>
> The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use this
year.
> They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree will have to be
Oct.
> 9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26 is Spook Rally.. I have
> requested "confirmation" of this date.
>
> Sandee
76243 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:08am
Subject: Re: Re: steering column
Also, you might try AMC 4X4 Salvage, 6741 W. Belmont, Glendale (just south of
Northern and Grand Ave's) 623-937-5899.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
BradP Kilgore wrote:
> The shop on Grand is Arizona Trail Werks, (602) 254-1551.
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dbkcs [dbkcs@y...] [mailto:dbkcs@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:21 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: steering column
>
> 4x4 salvage down at 3125 W. Broadway in Phoenix. If not there is a
> Jeep parts shop on Grand Ave and 31 Ave. Sorry don't remember the
> name but they do have parts also.
>
>
>
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76244 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:03am
Subject: gonna get a new soft top!!!
k... i have convinced my wife that my baby needs a new top. i don't know how but i did. (a little rum with her cereal goes a long way!!!) now for the best place (quality and deal)? any one have any suggestions? what the hell is this sail cloth stuff? is it made out of gold?
any info would be great! i will be ready to purchase after feb 15. gettin damn cold in the morning!
thx!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
76245 From: Trujillo, Jeff <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:53am
Subject: RE: Where to buy reamers?
I've got tons of reamers at home. What size do you need. You can use it if I
have the correct size. 480-213-1976
Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice:(480)346-6249
Fax:(480)346-6813
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:21 AM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] Where to buy reamers?
I need to ream the holes in my steering knuckles to accept the new 1
ton ends I got. Are these available in places like Loews or Home Depot?
Is there any specific type I need to buy?
Thanks,
Chris
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76246 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:13am
Subject: Re: Rubicon VS H2
A stock H2 comes with 35" tires, doesn't it? A Rubicon gets 31"
rubber. An H2 has a lot more cargo and passenger room, probably
rides a lot less choppy, and has four doors. It also has a bigger
engine than any Wrangler option to date, and probably gets more
envious looks (without a single modification) than most Jeeps that
are built for bear usually get. (If attention really matters...)
Clearance issues are probably about equal, except under the
diffs, where the H2 obviously wins with taller tires. That "road
grader" t-case skidplate on the Rubicon makes me nauseous. What a
disappointment. Leave it to DaimlerChrysler to take a special
project like the Rubicon and screw it up a little bit with a lack of
attention to detail. The H2 was built from the ground up, and the
Rubicon was adapted from and existing model; basically only upgraded
with a beefier t-case with 4:1, front Dana 44, front and rear
lockers, (the rear being L/S when not locked) and some badass
aluminum rocker trim. (A definite example of an improper use of AL
on a trail Jeep. Now if it had been an AL tierod...) :)
If I could choose either one for free, I would have a hard time
turning the H2 down. "Why?" you ask. Ever sat in one? Ever ridden
in one? Ever been offroad in one? Me neither. But I have done all
of those things in a monster 2.5L Wrangler, and the H2 might be a fun
alternative. Sure, fabbing a suspension that will ft 38s on the H2
would be expensive, but what isn't expensive on a Jeep? (Besides the
cheap guy driving it?) I think it's time to start giving other rigs
that are worthy of their intended use some respect. Yeah, we all
love Jeeps. But I wouldn't turn down a Porsche Cayenne, would you?
Lachlan "Variety is the spice of life" MacLean
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, cowboy7575@a... wrote:
> Well I havent seen the issue yet but I got a good look at an H-2 in
TX on
> Saturday and with all those fancy running boards, didnt look like
it was too
> trail ready to me........it might have nice clearance in the middle
but none
> to speak of on the sides, hell my soon not to be stock ZJ looks
like it has
> more clearance on the sides.........as to the Rubicon, I saw one at
4Wheelers
> in Phx yesterday and I wasnt that impressed with that either for
the price,
> but I wouldnd buy one anyway I am perfectly satisfied with my YJ
and CJ.
> :-)
76247 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:14am
Subject: [OT]You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive?
You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive? This puts things in perspective...
Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 .... $10.32 per gallon
Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19 ...$ 9.52 per gallon
Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 ........ $10.17 per gallon
Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 ....$10 .00 per gallon
Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 ...... $33.60 per gallon
Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35... $178.13 per gallon
Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 .... $123.20 per gallon
Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 .......... $25.42 per gallon
Scope 1.5 oz $0.99.......$84.48 per gallon
and the REAL KICKER.... Evian water 9 oz for $1.49, $21.19 per gallon ...
$21.19 FOR WATER! ....and the buyers don't even know the source.
So, the next time you're at the pump, be glad your car doesn't run on water, Scope,
or Whiteout, or Heaven forbid, PEPTO BISMOL or NYQUIL!!
Just a little humor to help ease the pain of your next trip to the pump!
76248 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:15am
Subject: RE: [OT]You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive?
I really hope you didn't take the time to put all of this together yourself ;) hahah!! j/k! Whoever did this was most definatly, determined to find out just HOW lucky we are that our vehicles run off of gasoline... (??) rather than Vicks Nyquil... lol..
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:15 AM
To: Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive?
You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive? This puts things in perspective...
Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 .... $10.32 per gallon
Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19 ...$ 9.52 per gallon
Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 ........ $10.17 per gallon
Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 ....$10 .00 per gallon
Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 ...... $33.60 per gallon
Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35... $178.13 per gallon
Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 .... $123.20 per gallon
Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 .......... $25.42 per gallon
Scope 1.5 oz $0.99.......$84.48 per gallon
and the REAL KICKER.... Evian water 9 oz for $1.49, $21.19 per gallon ...
$21.19 FOR WATER! ....and the buyers don't even know the source.
So, the next time you're at the pump, be glad your car doesn't run on water, Scope,
or Whiteout, or Heaven forbid, PEPTO BISMOL or NYQUIL!!
Just a little humor to help ease the pain of your next trip to the pump!
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76249 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:28am
Subject: RE: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
I've decided to have Dutchman make me some alloy 6 on 5.5" shafts for
the 8.8 and redrill the rotors. They will be stronger than stock the
stock 31 spline shafts and I don't want have to worry about the
adapters.
So I have 2 pairs of 5 on 4.5" 8.8 shafts for sale. I'll sell them
cheap.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:52 AM
To: jeepindog@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Lachlan,
I'm not sure if Kruize was against them... but I certainly was against
the use of wheel adaptors as a general practice just because of the
difficulty of ensuring that they stay tight (and other reasons). I
still think that it is, in general, bad practice to use wheel adaptors.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:20 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Didn't you used to say that wheel adapters were an accident waiting
to happen because instead of just five lug nuts to loosen up on you, now
there are ten per wheel? Just wondering... I thought that you said
that a while ago. :)
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> My pitman arm is drilled for the ORF steering so I need to replace
it. I
> was thinking about using a Waggy pitman arm because it has a lot
more
> metal around the hole. I won't know if it needs to be dropped or not
> until I get it in my garage on Saturday and take some measurements.
When
> I weld on the axle brackets I will have to adjust the angle of my
> trackbar to run parallel to the higher steering.
>
> I called Dutchman today. They say the 8.8 shafts cannot be redrilled
> because the material around the flange is weak. A set of 31 spline
alloy
> shafts in 6x5.5" pattern would be $240 a pair with studs installed.
So
> it's an improvement in strength too. They will drill the rotors at
the
> same time and make sure they match up. Drilling the rotors costs
$35 a
> pair. They assured me that they have done this before and there is
> plenty of room inside the hat of the rotor for the shaft.
>
> Or I can get some wheel adaptors to go to 6x5.5" pattern. Cost is
> $99-125 a pair depending on the source. I already have a spare set
of
> shafts so this might make more sense. Consider these measurements:
>
> Stock TJ D30 and D35: 60.00"
> Ford 8.8: 59.25"
>
> Wagoneer front 44: 61.50"
> Ford 8.8 with 6on5.5 adaptors 61.25"
>
> I'm currently running 15x10's with 3.75" backspacing. If I get
wheels
> that have 4.5" backspacing I will move each side in 3/4" which
> ultimately puts my width sidewall to sidewall up front at the same
width
> as I currently am. The rear will be 1/4" narrower than the front,
but
> 1/2" wider than it is now. So the adapters start to look good.
> Replacement parts are cheaper to acquire if needed. I can still
install
> off the shelf alloy shafts later on.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:51 AM
> To: Scott Kruize
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
>
>
> Are you having the shafts and rotors redrilled or just the rotors?
If
> you're ordering new shafts, might you also need to consider the
center
> holes in the rotors (assuming they center on the end of the shaft
> instead of the lugs)?
>
> I agree the low pinion isn't that much of an issue because most of
the
> time you place your front tires on the high points and the
pinion/shaft
> don't touch anything - even with the low pinion. I've only hit my
front
> shaft on the rocks once and that was when I took a bad line and then
> slid sideways.
>
> As for the steering, I kept the Waggy tie rod and drag link. You're
> right that the Waggy tie rod and drag link are significantly more
beefy
> than both the YJ and TJ links. And the length was correct.
>
> Note that since the Waggy tie rod is on top of the knuckle arms, I
had
> to remove my drop pitman arm and go back to my stock pitman arm. I
view
> this as a good thing. You might to do the same although you have
more
> lift than me so it's not clear.
>
> You will also have to get your pitman arm reamed out to accept the
Waggy
> drag link end as it is bigger than your stock drag link end. OR Fab
did
> mine but most fab shops can probably do this. The hole has a
conical
> shape which means you can't just use a normal drill bit to do it.
>
> Let me know if you have any other questions.
>
> -Roger
>
> Scott Kruize wrote:
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > I am picking up a Waggy 44 front end on Saturday morning. I will
have
> > the 8.8 redrilled to match the front 6 on 5.5 pattern like you
did
> > with your D44 rear end. I ultimately decided that hi pinion
wasn't a
> > big issue. Look at this pic of my TJ with the low pinion 30 and
you
> > will see why.
> >
> > I am also getting the Waggy steering so I'll just run the knuckle
over
>
> > setup. That Waggy tierod and draglink look damn beefy and should
raise
>
> > my steering up 3-4 inches compared to my ORF steering. Supposedly
the
> > length works fine with the TJs and Yjs. Which steering did you
use on
> > yours?
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:04 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > Regarding cost of switching the rear bolt pattern consider
this: Is
> > it
> > > cheaper to convert pattern or try to add disk brakes to the 35?
It's
>
> > > pretty much a wash here unless you don't mind the drum brakes.
> > > <snip>
> >
> > Horshe****! Er... I mean, agreed! ;-)
> >
> > I wasn't endorsing the Super 35 kit over the 8.8 swap. (Sorry if
it
> > came across that way.) Instead, I was merely trying to point out
a
> > possible issue that a lot of people might not think about until
long
> > after the 8.8 swap was done and it was time for a front axle swap.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> >
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76250 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:30am
Subject: Re: Re: Rubicon VS H2
The jeep wins hands down...but to be fair...it is JP magazine doing the
review. The only thing the hummer wins at is in the sand due to the rubicons
low gearing. If I had the cash and the H2 didnt have the stupid IFS, I
wouldnt turn it down either........
But I would take a Cherokee over a wrangler anyday anyway. I have kids that
love to four wheel, plus I can go on a trip without worrying about people
jackin my junk or having to pull a trailer with my gear. Plus I like my
music and there isnt much room in a wrangler for a sound system. Before
everyone gets all crazy comparing XJs to TJ's, I will admit that a stock
cherokee needs some help..but I dumped enough time and cash into my rig to
hang in.
(The H2 seems like a big *** luxury cherokee that might be too wide but if
you have that kind of cash laying around you can just pull a rock buggy
behind you anyway.Most people who buy these will never engage the locker
anyway)
Preparing flame retarding suit..........
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
>From: "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>" <jeepindog@y...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rubicon VS H2
>Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:13:59 -0000
>
> A stock H2 comes with 35" tires, doesn't it? A Rubicon gets 31"
>rubber. An H2 has a lot more cargo and passenger room, probably
>rides a lot less choppy, and has four doors. It also has a bigger
>engine than any Wrangler option to date, and probably gets more
>envious looks (without a single modification) than most Jeeps that
>are built for bear usually get. (If attention really matters...)
>
> Clearance issues are probably about equal, except under the
>diffs, where the H2 obviously wins with taller tires. That "road
>grader" t-case skidplate on the Rubicon makes me nauseous. What a
>disappointment. Leave it to DaimlerChrysler to take a special
>project like the Rubicon and screw it up a little bit with a lack of
>attention to detail. The H2 was built from the ground up, and the
>Rubicon was adapted from and existing model; basically only upgraded
>with a beefier t-case with 4:1, front Dana 44, front and rear
>lockers, (the rear being L/S when not locked) and some badass
>aluminum rocker trim. (A definite example of an improper use of AL
>on a trail Jeep. Now if it had been an AL tierod...) :)
>
> If I could choose either one for free, I would have a hard time
>turning the H2 down. "Why?" you ask. Ever sat in one? Ever ridden
>in one? Ever been offroad in one? Me neither. But I have done all
>of those things in a monster 2.5L Wrangler, and the H2 might be a fun
>alternative. Sure, fabbing a suspension that will ft 38s on the H2
>would be expensive, but what isn't expensive on a Jeep? (Besides the
>cheap guy driving it?) I think it's time to start giving other rigs
>that are worthy of their intended use some respect. Yeah, we all
>love Jeeps. But I wouldn't turn down a Porsche Cayenne, would you?
>
> Lachlan "Variety is the spice of life" MacLean
>
>
>In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, cowboy7575@a... wrote:
> > Well I havent seen the issue yet but I got a good look at an H-2 in
>TX on
> > Saturday and with all those fancy running boards, didnt look like
>it was too
> > trail ready to me........it might have nice clearance in the middle
>but none
> > to speak of on the sides, hell my soon not to be stock ZJ looks
>like it has
> > more clearance on the sides.........as to the Rubicon, I saw one at
>4Wheelers
> > in Phx yesterday and I wasnt that impressed with that either for
>the price,
> > but I wouldnd buy one anyway I am perfectly satisfied with my YJ
>and CJ.
> > :-)
>
>
>
>
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76251 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:39am
Subject: RE: Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
Sounds good. There are a few of us. If anyone else wants to meet up its at :
67th and and 101 Mobil station at 08:15......
See you there.
>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>To: "'BADAZXJ XJArizona'" <BadAZXJ@m...>, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
>Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:34:39 -0700
>
>67th Ave. and 101 by 8:15AM. OK....I can go for that. I shall see you
>there!
>
>Stu
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:29 PM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
>
>
>
>I was thinking of starting a west side caravan up there as well. I will
>be
>leaving my house at a little before 800am to start heading into town.
>Probably could meet somewhere off the 101 on the west side around 8:15
>(maybe the mobil off 67th ave and the 101?). Anyone interested in
>running up
>there in a group, shoot me an email.
>
>Frank
>BadAzXJ@m...
>
>
>
>
> >From: cowboy7575@a...
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup Mesa Area meet and drive ?
> >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:45:28 EST
> >
> >Anyone going from the Mesa area besides me going and do you want to
>meet
> >somewhere and drive up as a group.
> >
> >Mike
>
>
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76227 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:22am
Subject: [FS] 2 RE 4.5 front springs
Price: $90
Contact: coxy8@yahoo.com
I have two 4.5 inch Rubicon Express springs for the front. This was part of my RE 4.5 superflex kit. They are about 2 years old. I set them up to the new ones that I got and they were still the same size. They didn't seem to sag at all. I believe the new ones go for $170.
Thanks,
Jeff Cox
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76228 From: cj4rox <cj4rox@y...> <cj4rox@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:50am
Subject: Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
Is anyone planning on running any trails after the cleanup? Or, is
that the point, to pick a trail & clean it? Or are we just doing the
parking & wash areas around the entrance?
Trying to figure out what I need to pack for gear.
Thanks
Dan Siegel
76229 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:49am
Subject: Re: roof rack
i really like this setup mike! what kind of bender did you use?
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Beckham" <jeepnut7261@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <swaders7@y...>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] roof rack
> You could make you own....;)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <swaders7@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:57 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] roof rack
>
>
> > Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get one for
> > when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
> > dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
> > (Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
> >
> > ~Wade
> > '97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
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76230 From: Nasser <nasser88@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:57am
Subject: RE: Where to buy reamers?
Chris,
If you want it today, you can try McFadden-Dale (602-304-9141) on 32nd
street and Broadway in Phoenix. Harbor freight may have some too (junk).
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:21 AM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] Where to buy reamers?
I need to ream the holes in my steering knuckles to accept the new 1
ton ends I got. Are these available in places like Loews or Home Depot?
Is there any specific type I need to buy?
Thanks,
Chris
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76231 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:00am
Subject: RE: Re: 2003 Jamboree
Linda,
Quite frankly Jamboree would have fallen flat on it's A** if it wasn't for
VJC this past year!!!! Want to lay bets as to how many ASA4WDC "club"
members show to the cleanup on Saturday vs how many VJC!!!
When it comes to "letters", "support", "work", "charity" or simply respect
we can be guaranteed response from VJC..... a "H" more than ASA4WDC.
You're right.......... a majority of them do not want the restrictions of
incorporating, dues, by-laws etc but that does not put them outside the
circle. Many of them ARE changing........... I'll lay bets MORE VJC guys
have State Land Permits than do the ASA4WDC Club Members!
What's with your attitude with VJC?
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
> [mailto:minihummer@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:09 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 2003 Jamboree
>
>
> Why in the heck would a bunch of 4-wheelers who don't care to be a
> part of organized 4-wheeling care about when the ASA4WDC Jamboree is
> being held? I doubt the more than 10% of the folks in the AZVJC are
> memebers of ASA4WDC member clubs or belong as individual members to
> the ASA4WDC or the UFWDA -- because it costs too much. There is no
> point in posting ASA4WDC business on this forum.
>
> Linda
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> wrote:
> > Brad and Board........
> > I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then talked
> to Sgt
> > McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
> >
> > The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use this
> year.
> > They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree will have to be
> Oct.
> > 9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26 is Spook Rally.. I have
> > requested "confirmation" of this date.
> >
> > Sandee
>
>
>
>
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76232 From: Brad Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:20am
Subject: RE: Table Mesa Cleanup
Thanks Sandee, there are a lot of people who we know will be there, but
there is definitely room for improvement. Given the number of members
we have, we could really expect to have more people participating, we
still only have 47 definite signed up. If you have any thoughts on how
to get the word out or how to motivate the group, please jump in.
Thanks again and see you Saturday.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:14 PM
To: Brad Kilgore
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Table Mesa Cleanup
Jack and I will be there............. that's a given!!! I have "no
choice,
thusly Jack has "no choice". That plan WORKS!
A bunch of the ARC guys that are also VJC members will be there also.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BradP Kilgore [mailto:brad.kilgore@p...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:20 PM
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Table Mesa Cleanup
> Importance: High
>
>
> I was just talking to Troy and we would like to see more people
> participate in the Cleanup. Troy has offered to give a
> certificate for an additional 10% discount on his product and
> services, (for a total $20%), to all people who participate in
> the cleanup. Just for showing up people!
>
> In addition, if we can get a minimum of 75 people to participate,
> we have 46 definite right now, Toys by Troy will give a $500.00
> gift certificate for the most trash collected. This is a great
> deal for a really good cause. We're still trying to figure out
> how to measure the trash, weighing it, piling it, etc.
>
> If anyone has any other ideas on ways to motivate people to come
> and help, please respond with your thoughts.
>
> Thanks to everyone.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
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76233 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:26am
Subject: Environmental labs caught faking data
Anyone remember the Lynx fiasco of a year ago???
7
Environmental labs caught faking data Ý
Private laboratories are increasingly being caught falsifying test
results for air quality, water supplies, petroleum products,
underground tanks and soil, hampering the government's ability to
ensure that Americans are protected by environmental laws,
investigators say. The fraud has caused millions of people to fill
their cars with substandard gasoline that may have violated clean-air
standards, or to drink water not properly tested for safety, the
officials said. (01/22/03) Seattle Times
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/134619756_labs22.html
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
76234 From: <gotrox@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:27am
Subject: Jamboree 2003
Linda, I would have to agree with Sandee, the VJC has done alot for the wheeling community. It is whats driving ASA4WDC to re-evaluate there public relations with the community. Many of the VJC don't see what ASA is doing when it comes to land issues or what the organization is about. It is time that people get involved with the ASA and fix it so that there is no mistaking what it's benefits are. I see a major leadership change for ASA in the future. Information lead to knowledge, if ASA or and individual wants to post info on this board regarding Jamboree or any other event, why not?
Neal Han****
Arizona Rock Crawlers
ASA4WDC Delegate
From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:00 am
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: 2003 Jamboree
Linda,
Quite frankly Jamboree would have fallen flat on it's A** if it wasn't for
VJC this past year!!!! Want to lay bets as to how many ASA4WDC "club"
members show to the cleanup on Saturday vs how many VJC!!!
When it comes to "letters", "support", "work", "charity" or simply respect
we can be guaranteed response from VJC..... a "H" more than ASA4WDC.
You're right.......... a majority of them do not want the restrictions of
incorporating, dues, by-laws etc but that does not put them outside the
circle. Many of them ARE changing........... I'll lay bets MORE VJC guys
have State Land Permits than do the ASA4WDC Club Members!
What's with your attitude with VJC?
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
> [mailto:minihummer@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:09 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 2003 Jamboree
>
>
> Why in the heck would a bunch of 4-wheelers who don't care to be a
> part of organized 4-wheeling care about when the ASA4WDC Jamboree is
> being held? I doubt the more than 10% of the folks in the AZVJC are
> memebers of ASA4WDC member clubs or belong as individual members to
> the ASA4WDC or the UFWDA -- because it costs too much. There is no
> point in posting ASA4WDC business on this forum.
>
> Linda
76235 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:18am
Subject: RE: Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
There are a number of groups going out on trails after the cleanup. The
intent is not to "clean" the trails..... we do that normally. The clean up
is mostly for the large dump and shooting areas............. I know, it's
not our mess but it's one of the easiest ways to "make points" with the
agencies!
I know there is a "sign-in" sheet for everyone............. is the VJC
going to have one of their own??? I'll have a table with State Permits near
the sign-in area. Can do a VJC sign-in there if you'd like........
See you there. Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cj4rox <cj4rox@y...> [mailto:cj4rox@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:51 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
>
>
> Is anyone planning on running any trails after the cleanup? Or, is
> that the point, to pick a trail & clean it? Or are we just doing the
> parking & wash areas around the entrance?
> Trying to figure out what I need to pack for gear.
>
> Thanks
> Dan Siegel
>
>
>
>
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76236 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:30am
Subject: RE: Re: steering column
The shop on Grand is Arizona Trail Werks, (602) 254-1551.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: dbkcs [dbkcs@y...] [mailto:dbkcs@y...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:21 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: steering column
4x4 salvage down at 3125 W. Broadway in Phoenix. If not there is a
Jeep parts shop on Grand Ave and 31 Ave. Sorry don't remember the
name but they do have parts also.
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76237 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:31am
Subject: Re: roof rack
1/2 tubing and the hydraulic setup that is hand pumped
----- Original Message -----
From: "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <swaders7@y...>; "Michael Beckham"
<jeepnut7261@h...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] roof rack
> i really like this setup mike! what kind of bender did you use?
>
>
> Sean Speer
> OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Beckham" <jeepnut7261@h...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; <swaders7@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] roof rack
>
>
> > You could make you own....;)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <swaders7@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:57 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] roof rack
> >
> >
> > > Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get one for
> > > when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
> > > dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
> > > (Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
> > >
> > > ~Wade
> > > '97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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76238 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:32am
Subject: RE: East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
Where is it at? I might con the ol' lady into stopping by.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nasser [mailto:nasser88@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:50 PM
To: Az_Vjc@Yahoogroups. Com
Subject: [az_vjc] East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
Folks,
This is just a reminder:
This coming Friday evening the 24th there is a car show that we've been
invited to attend. It is a very casual event. It is a great
opportunity to
meet other club members and chat. Bring your cameras, as there are
antique
autos, classics, some military vehicles, etc.
Last year we had a dozen members show up and we had a great time. The
event
starts at 5:45ish until 8:00 pm or so, and you can come and go as you
please.
Come and check it out,
Nasser
Ps West Valley members are invited if you don't mind the drive.
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76239 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:53am
Subject: RE: Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
Sandee,
Do you know of any efforts made to inform the target shooting community
of this clean up? What kind of "points" are we getting? We clean up the
junk made by a totally different recreation and we keep the trails we
wheel open? I feel our efforts would be better recognized if we found a
way to educate the real responsible parties and have them clean up there
own brethren's trash.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:19 AM
To: cj4rox@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
There are a number of groups going out on trails after the cleanup. The
intent is not to "clean" the trails..... we do that normally. The
clean up is mostly for the large dump and shooting areas............. I
know, it's not our mess but it's one of the easiest ways to "make
points" with the agencies!
I know there is a "sign-in" sheet for everyone............. is the VJC
going to have one of their own??? I'll have a table with State Permits
near the sign-in area. Can do a VJC sign-in there if you'd like........
See you there. Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cj4rox <cj4rox@y...> [mailto:cj4rox@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:51 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
>
>
> Is anyone planning on running any trails after the cleanup? Or, is
> that the point, to pick a trail & clean it? Or are we just doing the
> parking & wash areas around the entrance? Trying to figure out what I
> need to pack for gear.
>
> Thanks
> Dan Siegel
>
>
>
>
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76240 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:00am
Subject: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Oops! Ok, I'll be quiet now. Maybe I'll go grease my CV joints.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Lachlan,
>
> Be quiet, and "put that arm back inside the Jeep!" LOL
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:20 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
>
> Didn't you used to say that wheel adapters were an accident
> waiting to happen because instead of just five lug nuts to loosen
up
> on you, now there are ten per wheel? Just wondering... I thought
> that you said that a while ago. :)
>
> Lachlan
>
>
> In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Roger,
> >
> > My pitman arm is drilled for the ORF steering so I need to
replace
> it. I
> > was thinking about using a Waggy pitman arm because it has a lot
> more
> > metal around the hole. I won't know if it needs to be dropped or
not
> > until I get it in my garage on Saturday and take some
measurements.
> When
> > I weld on the axle brackets I will have to adjust the angle of my
> > trackbar to run parallel to the higher steering.
> >
> > I called Dutchman today. They say the 8.8 shafts cannot be
redrilled
> > because the material around the flange is weak. A set of 31
spline
> alloy
> > shafts in 6x5.5" pattern would be $240 a pair with studs
installed.
> So
> > it's an improvement in strength too. They will drill the rotors
at
> the
> > same time and make sure they match up. Drilling the rotors costs
> $35 a
> > pair. They assured me that they have done this before and there is
> > plenty of room inside the hat of the rotor for the shaft.
> >
> > Or I can get some wheel adaptors to go to 6x5.5" pattern. Cost is
> > $99-125 a pair depending on the source. I already have a spare
set
> of
> > shafts so this might make more sense. Consider these measurements:
> >
> > Stock TJ D30 and D35: 60.00"
> > Ford 8.8: 59.25"
> >
> > Wagoneer front 44: 61.50"
> > Ford 8.8 with 6on5.5 adaptors 61.25"
> >
> > I'm currently running 15x10's with 3.75" backspacing. If I get
> wheels
> > that have 4.5" backspacing I will move each side in 3/4" which
> > ultimately puts my width sidewall to sidewall up front at the
same
> width
> > as I currently am. The rear will be 1/4" narrower than the front,
> but
> > 1/2" wider than it is now. So the adapters start to look good.
> > Replacement parts are cheaper to acquire if needed. I can still
> install
> > off the shelf alloy shafts later on.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:51 AM
> > To: Scott Kruize
> > Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> >
> >
> > Are you having the shafts and rotors redrilled or just the
rotors?
> If
> > you're ordering new shafts, might you also need to consider the
> center
> > holes in the rotors (assuming they center on the end of the shaft
> > instead of the lugs)?
> >
> > I agree the low pinion isn't that much of an issue because most
of
> the
> > time you place your front tires on the high points and the
> pinion/shaft
> > don't touch anything - even with the low pinion. I've only hit
my
> front
> > shaft on the rocks once and that was when I took a bad line and
then
> > slid sideways.
> >
> > As for the steering, I kept the Waggy tie rod and drag link.
You're
> > right that the Waggy tie rod and drag link are significantly more
> beefy
> > than both the YJ and TJ links. And the length was correct.
> >
> > Note that since the Waggy tie rod is on top of the knuckle arms,
I
> had
> > to remove my drop pitman arm and go back to my stock pitman arm.
I
> view
> > this as a good thing. You might to do the same although you have
> more
> > lift than me so it's not clear.
> >
> > You will also have to get your pitman arm reamed out to accept
the
> Waggy
> > drag link end as it is bigger than your stock drag link end. OR
Fab
> did
> > mine but most fab shops can probably do this. The hole has a
> conical
> > shape which means you can't just use a normal drill bit to do it.
> >
> > Let me know if you have any other questions.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > Scott Kruize wrote:
> >
> > > Roger,
> > >
> > > I am picking up a Waggy 44 front end on Saturday morning. I
will
> have
> > > the 8.8 redrilled to match the front 6 on 5.5 pattern like you
> did
> > > with your D44 rear end. I ultimately decided that hi pinion
> wasn't a
> > > big issue. Look at this pic of my TJ with the low pinion 30 and
> you
> > > will see why.
> > >
> > > I am also getting the Waggy steering so I'll just run the
knuckle
> over
> >
> > > setup. That Waggy tierod and draglink look damn beefy and
should
> raise
> >
> > > my steering up 3-4 inches compared to my ORF steering.
Supposedly
> the
> > > length works fine with the TJs and Yjs. Which steering did you
> use on
> > > yours?
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:04 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
> wrote:
> > > > <snip>
> > > > Regarding cost of switching the rear bolt pattern consider
> this: Is
> > > it
> > > > cheaper to convert pattern or try to add disk brakes to the
35?
> It's
> >
> > > > pretty much a wash here unless you don't mind the drum
brakes.
> > > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Horshe****! Er... I mean, agreed! ;-)
> > >
> > > I wasn't endorsing the Super 35 kit over the 8.8 swap. (Sorry
if
> it
> > > came across that way.) Instead, I was merely trying to point
out
> a
> > > possible issue that a lot of people might not think about until
> long
> > > after the 8.8 swap was done and it was time for a front axle
swap.
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > >
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76241 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:00am
Subject: Re: Table Mesa Cleanup wheeling?
In a message dated 1/23/2003 7:56:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, joey@desertjeep.com writes:
Sandee,
Do you know of any efforts made to inform the target shooting community
of this clean up? What kind of "points" are we getting? We clean up the
junk made by a totally different recreation and we keep the trails we
wheel open? I feel our efforts would be better recognized if we found a
way to educate the real responsible parties and have them clean up there
own brethren's trash.
Joey K
93YJ
Joey,
You make a great point, but I feel that the people that are doing the shooting, arent exactly the ones from the "target shootig community". Unfortunantly, these people, in my mind, are placed in the "moron" category and I am not sure were we could educate them. But I wouldbe up fpr trying.
John K
76242 From: drshieldsut <drshieldsut@y...> <drshieldsut@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:00am
Subject: Re: 2003 Jamboree
Sandee, have you considered what is going on in Framington
w/CalRocs/ARCA/Jeep Week thing from Oct 4-11. It might compete with
people wanting to attend both if yopu are doing the Oct 9-12 time
period for the Jamboree.
Just a thought.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
wrote:
> Brad and Board........
> I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then talked
to Sgt
> McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
>
> The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use this
year.
> They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree will have to be
Oct.
> 9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26 is Spook Rally.. I have
> requested "confirmation" of this date.
>
> Sandee
76243 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:08am
Subject: Re: Re: steering column
Also, you might try AMC 4X4 Salvage, 6741 W. Belmont, Glendale (just south of
Northern and Grand Ave's) 623-937-5899.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
BradP Kilgore wrote:
> The shop on Grand is Arizona Trail Werks, (602) 254-1551.
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dbkcs [dbkcs@y...] [mailto:dbkcs@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:21 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: steering column
>
> 4x4 salvage down at 3125 W. Broadway in Phoenix. If not there is a
> Jeep parts shop on Grand Ave and 31 Ave. Sorry don't remember the
> name but they do have parts also.
>
>
>
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76244 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:03am
Subject: gonna get a new soft top!!!
k... i have convinced my wife that my baby needs a new top. i don't know how but i did. (a little rum with her cereal goes a long way!!!) now for the best place (quality and deal)? any one have any suggestions? what the hell is this sail cloth stuff? is it made out of gold?
any info would be great! i will be ready to purchase after feb 15. gettin damn cold in the morning!
thx!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
76245 From: Trujillo, Jeff <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:53am
Subject: RE: Where to buy reamers?
I've got tons of reamers at home. What size do you need. You can use it if I
have the correct size. 480-213-1976
Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice:(480)346-6249
Fax:(480)346-6813
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:21 AM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] Where to buy reamers?
I need to ream the holes in my steering knuckles to accept the new 1
ton ends I got. Are these available in places like Loews or Home Depot?
Is there any specific type I need to buy?
Thanks,
Chris
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76246 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:13am
Subject: Re: Rubicon VS H2
A stock H2 comes with 35" tires, doesn't it? A Rubicon gets 31"
rubber. An H2 has a lot more cargo and passenger room, probably
rides a lot less choppy, and has four doors. It also has a bigger
engine than any Wrangler option to date, and probably gets more
envious looks (without a single modification) than most Jeeps that
are built for bear usually get. (If attention really matters...)
Clearance issues are probably about equal, except under the
diffs, where the H2 obviously wins with taller tires. That "road
grader" t-case skidplate on the Rubicon makes me nauseous. What a
disappointment. Leave it to DaimlerChrysler to take a special
project like the Rubicon and screw it up a little bit with a lack of
attention to detail. The H2 was built from the ground up, and the
Rubicon was adapted from and existing model; basically only upgraded
with a beefier t-case with 4:1, front Dana 44, front and rear
lockers, (the rear being L/S when not locked) and some badass
aluminum rocker trim. (A definite example of an improper use of AL
on a trail Jeep. Now if it had been an AL tierod...) :)
If I could choose either one for free, I would have a hard time
turning the H2 down. "Why?" you ask. Ever sat in one? Ever ridden
in one? Ever been offroad in one? Me neither. But I have done all
of those things in a monster 2.5L Wrangler, and the H2 might be a fun
alternative. Sure, fabbing a suspension that will ft 38s on the H2
would be expensive, but what isn't expensive on a Jeep? (Besides the
cheap guy driving it?) I think it's time to start giving other rigs
that are worthy of their intended use some respect. Yeah, we all
love Jeeps. But I wouldn't turn down a Porsche Cayenne, would you?
Lachlan "Variety is the spice of life" MacLean
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, cowboy7575@a... wrote:
> Well I havent seen the issue yet but I got a good look at an H-2 in
TX on
> Saturday and with all those fancy running boards, didnt look like
it was too
> trail ready to me........it might have nice clearance in the middle
but none
> to speak of on the sides, hell my soon not to be stock ZJ looks
like it has
> more clearance on the sides.........as to the Rubicon, I saw one at
4Wheelers
> in Phx yesterday and I wasnt that impressed with that either for
the price,
> but I wouldnd buy one anyway I am perfectly satisfied with my YJ
and CJ.
> :-)
76247 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:14am
Subject: [OT]You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive?
You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive? This puts things in perspective...
Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 .... $10.32 per gallon
Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19 ...$ 9.52 per gallon
Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 ........ $10.17 per gallon
Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 ....$10 .00 per gallon
Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 ...... $33.60 per gallon
Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35... $178.13 per gallon
Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 .... $123.20 per gallon
Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 .......... $25.42 per gallon
Scope 1.5 oz $0.99.......$84.48 per gallon
and the REAL KICKER.... Evian water 9 oz for $1.49, $21.19 per gallon ...
$21.19 FOR WATER! ....and the buyers don't even know the source.
So, the next time you're at the pump, be glad your car doesn't run on water, Scope,
or Whiteout, or Heaven forbid, PEPTO BISMOL or NYQUIL!!
Just a little humor to help ease the pain of your next trip to the pump!
76248 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:15am
Subject: RE: [OT]You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive?
I really hope you didn't take the time to put all of this together yourself ;) hahah!! j/k! Whoever did this was most definatly, determined to find out just HOW lucky we are that our vehicles run off of gasoline... (??) rather than Vicks Nyquil... lol..
-----Original Message-----
From: CoyotEddie [mailto:coyoteddie@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:15 AM
To: Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive?
You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive? This puts things in perspective...
Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 .... $10.32 per gallon
Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19 ...$ 9.52 per gallon
Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 ........ $10.17 per gallon
Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 ....$10 .00 per gallon
Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 ...... $33.60 per gallon
Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35... $178.13 per gallon
Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 .... $123.20 per gallon
Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 .......... $25.42 per gallon
Scope 1.5 oz $0.99.......$84.48 per gallon
and the REAL KICKER.... Evian water 9 oz for $1.49, $21.19 per gallon ...
$21.19 FOR WATER! ....and the buyers don't even know the source.
So, the next time you're at the pump, be glad your car doesn't run on water, Scope,
or Whiteout, or Heaven forbid, PEPTO BISMOL or NYQUIL!!
Just a little humor to help ease the pain of your next trip to the pump!
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76249 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:28am
Subject: RE: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
I've decided to have Dutchman make me some alloy 6 on 5.5" shafts for
the 8.8 and redrill the rotors. They will be stronger than stock the
stock 31 spline shafts and I don't want have to worry about the
adapters.
So I have 2 pairs of 5 on 4.5" 8.8 shafts for sale. I'll sell them
cheap.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:52 AM
To: jeepindog@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Lachlan,
I'm not sure if Kruize was against them... but I certainly was against
the use of wheel adaptors as a general practice just because of the
difficulty of ensuring that they stay tight (and other reasons). I
still think that it is, in general, bad practice to use wheel adaptors.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:20 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Didn't you used to say that wheel adapters were an accident waiting
to happen because instead of just five lug nuts to loosen up on you, now
there are ten per wheel? Just wondering... I thought that you said
that a while ago. :)
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> My pitman arm is drilled for the ORF steering so I need to replace
it. I
> was thinking about using a Waggy pitman arm because it has a lot
more
> metal around the hole. I won't know if it needs to be dropped or not
> until I get it in my garage on Saturday and take some measurements.
When
> I weld on the axle brackets I will have to adjust the angle of my
> trackbar to run parallel to the higher steering.
>
> I called Dutchman today. They say the 8.8 shafts cannot be redrilled
> because the material around the flange is weak. A set of 31 spline
alloy
> shafts in 6x5.5" pattern would be $240 a pair with studs installed.
So
> it's an improvement in strength too. They will drill the rotors at
the
> same time and make sure they match up. Drilling the rotors costs
$35 a
> pair. They assured me that they have done this before and there is
> plenty of room inside the hat of the rotor for the shaft.
>
> Or I can get some wheel adaptors to go to 6x5.5" pattern. Cost is
> $99-125 a pair depending on the source. I already have a spare set
of
> shafts so this might make more sense. Consider these measurements:
>
> Stock TJ D30 and D35: 60.00"
> Ford 8.8: 59.25"
>
> Wagoneer front 44: 61.50"
> Ford 8.8 with 6on5.5 adaptors 61.25"
>
> I'm currently running 15x10's with 3.75" backspacing. If I get
wheels
> that have 4.5" backspacing I will move each side in 3/4" which
> ultimately puts my width sidewall to sidewall up front at the same
width
> as I currently am. The rear will be 1/4" narrower than the front,
but
> 1/2" wider than it is now. So the adapters start to look good.
> Replacement parts are cheaper to acquire if needed. I can still
install
> off the shelf alloy shafts later on.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:51 AM
> To: Scott Kruize
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
>
>
> Are you having the shafts and rotors redrilled or just the rotors?
If
> you're ordering new shafts, might you also need to consider the
center
> holes in the rotors (assuming they center on the end of the shaft
> instead of the lugs)?
>
> I agree the low pinion isn't that much of an issue because most of
the
> time you place your front tires on the high points and the
pinion/shaft
> don't touch anything - even with the low pinion. I've only hit my
front
> shaft on the rocks once and that was when I took a bad line and then
> slid sideways.
>
> As for the steering, I kept the Waggy tie rod and drag link. You're
> right that the Waggy tie rod and drag link are significantly more
beefy
> than both the YJ and TJ links. And the length was correct.
>
> Note that since the Waggy tie rod is on top of the knuckle arms, I
had
> to remove my drop pitman arm and go back to my stock pitman arm. I
view
> this as a good thing. You might to do the same although you have
more
> lift than me so it's not clear.
>
> You will also have to get your pitman arm reamed out to accept the
Waggy
> drag link end as it is bigger than your stock drag link end. OR Fab
did
> mine but most fab shops can probably do this. The hole has a
conical
> shape which means you can't just use a normal drill bit to do it.
>
> Let me know if you have any other questions.
>
> -Roger
>
> Scott Kruize wrote:
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > I am picking up a Waggy 44 front end on Saturday morning. I will
have
> > the 8.8 redrilled to match the front 6 on 5.5 pattern like you
did
> > with your D44 rear end. I ultimately decided that hi pinion
wasn't a
> > big issue. Look at this pic of my TJ with the low pinion 30 and
you
> > will see why.
> >
> > I am also getting the Waggy steering so I'll just run the knuckle
over
>
> > setup. That Waggy tierod and draglink look damn beefy and should
raise
>
> > my steering up 3-4 inches compared to my ORF steering. Supposedly
the
> > length works fine with the TJs and Yjs. Which steering did you
use on
> > yours?
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:04 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > Regarding cost of switching the rear bolt pattern consider
this: Is
> > it
> > > cheaper to convert pattern or try to add disk brakes to the 35?
It's
>
> > > pretty much a wash here unless you don't mind the drum brakes.
> > > <snip>
> >
> > Horshe****! Er... I mean, agreed! ;-)
> >
> > I wasn't endorsing the Super 35 kit over the 8.8 swap. (Sorry if
it
> > came across that way.) Instead, I was merely trying to point out
a
> > possible issue that a lot of people might not think about until
long
> > after the 8.8 swap was done and it was time for a front axle swap.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> >
> >
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76250 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:30am
Subject: Re: Re: Rubicon VS H2
The jeep wins hands down...but to be fair...it is JP magazine doing the
review. The only thing the hummer wins at is in the sand due to the rubicons
low gearing. If I had the cash and the H2 didnt have the stupid IFS, I
wouldnt turn it down either........
But I would take a Cherokee over a wrangler anyday anyway. I have kids that
love to four wheel, plus I can go on a trip without worrying about people
jackin my junk or having to pull a trailer with my gear. Plus I like my
music and there isnt much room in a wrangler for a sound system. Before
everyone gets all crazy comparing XJs to TJ's, I will admit that a stock
cherokee needs some help..but I dumped enough time and cash into my rig to
hang in.
(The H2 seems like a big *** luxury cherokee that might be too wide but if
you have that kind of cash laying around you can just pull a rock buggy
behind you anyway.Most people who buy these will never engage the locker
anyway)
Preparing flame retarding suit..........
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
>From: "Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>" <jeepindog@y...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rubicon VS H2
>Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:13:59 -0000
>
> A stock H2 comes with 35" tires, doesn't it? A Rubicon gets 31"
>rubber. An H2 has a lot more cargo and passenger room, probably
>rides a lot less choppy, and has four doors. It also has a bigger
>engine than any Wrangler option to date, and probably gets more
>envious looks (without a single modification) than most Jeeps that
>are built for bear usually get. (If attention really matters...)
>
> Clearance issues are probably about equal, except under the
>diffs, where the H2 obviously wins with taller tires. That "road
>grader" t-case skidplate on the Rubicon makes me nauseous. What a
>disappointment. Leave it to DaimlerChrysler to take a special
>project like the Rubicon and screw it up a little bit with a lack of
>attention to detail. The H2 was built from the ground up, and the
>Rubicon was adapted from and existing model; basically only upgraded
>with a beefier t-case with 4:1, front Dana 44, front and rear
>lockers, (the rear being L/S when not locked) and some badass
>aluminum rocker trim. (A definite example of an improper use of AL
>on a trail Jeep. Now if it had been an AL tierod...) :)
>
> If I could choose either one for free, I would have a hard time
>turning the H2 down. "Why?" you ask. Ever sat in one? Ever ridden
>in one? Ever been offroad in one? Me neither. But I have done all
>of those things in a monster 2.5L Wrangler, and the H2 might be a fun
>alternative. Sure, fabbing a suspension that will ft 38s on the H2
>would be expensive, but what isn't expensive on a Jeep? (Besides the
>cheap guy driving it?) I think it's time to start giving other rigs
>that are worthy of their intended use some respect. Yeah, we all
>love Jeeps. But I wouldn't turn down a Porsche Cayenne, would you?
>
> Lachlan "Variety is the spice of life" MacLean
>
>
>In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, cowboy7575@a... wrote:
> > Well I havent seen the issue yet but I got a good look at an H-2 in
>TX on
> > Saturday and with all those fancy running boards, didnt look like
>it was too
> > trail ready to me........it might have nice clearance in the middle
>but none
> > to speak of on the sides, hell my soon not to be stock ZJ looks
>like it has
> > more clearance on the sides.........as to the Rubicon, I saw one at
>4Wheelers
> > in Phx yesterday and I wasnt that impressed with that either for
>the price,
> > but I wouldnd buy one anyway I am perfectly satisfied with my YJ
>and CJ.
> > :-)
>
>
>
>
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76251 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:39am
Subject: RE: Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
Sounds good. There are a few of us. If anyone else wants to meet up its at :
67th and and 101 Mobil station at 08:15......
See you there.
>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>To: "'BADAZXJ XJArizona'" <BadAZXJ@m...>, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
>Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:34:39 -0700
>
>67th Ave. and 101 by 8:15AM. OK....I can go for that. I shall see you
>there!
>
>Stu
>
>Stu Olson
>www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:29 PM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
>
>
>
>I was thinking of starting a west side caravan up there as well. I will
>be
>leaving my house at a little before 800am to start heading into town.
>Probably could meet somewhere off the 101 on the west side around 8:15
>(maybe the mobil off 67th ave and the 101?). Anyone interested in
>running up
>there in a group, shoot me an email.
>
>Frank
>BadAzXJ@m...
>
>
>
>
> >From: cowboy7575@a...
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup Mesa Area meet and drive ?
> >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:45:28 EST
> >
> >Anyone going from the Mesa area besides me going and do you want to
>meet
> >somewhere and drive up as a group.
> >
> >Mike
>
>
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