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76202-76226
76202 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:01pm
Subject: RE: Re: roof rack
I have had a Garvin rack on my Jeep for a few years; it has held up
extremely well under a great deal of abuse... I routinely carry well over
300 pounds of SCUBA gear on my rack and it has taken the ab(use) without
complaint. Garvin also stands behind their product; sending me new rack
rails when my existing ones started wearing through the powder coat.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Foster <mesa@v...> [mailto:mesa@v...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: roof rack
I went with the Garvin and am very pleased with it so far.Very solid
and simple to put on. If I remember right I got it from Rustys
offroad for around $499. We packed up alot and took it up to Co. for
some wheeling,very quiet also.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Wade <swaders7@y...>" <swaders7@y...>
wrote:
> Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get one
for
> when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
> dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
> (Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
>
> ~Wade
> '97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
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76203 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:02pm
Subject: Mesa Jeep-a-van to Saturday's cleanup.
Meeting at the Texaco Gas Station on the South-West corner of Gilbert Road
and Southern at 8:00am for an 8:45am arrival at Table Mesa Road.
Joe West
76204 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:19pm
Subject: Rubicon VS H2
Just got the new issue of JP Magazine today. They did a comparison of the Rubicon vs the H2. Guess which one won LOL.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
76205 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:20pm
Subject: Table Mesa Cleanup
I was just talking to Troy and we would like to see more people participate in the Cleanup. Troy has offered to give a certificate for an additional 10% discount on his product and services, (for a total $20%), to all people who participate in the cleanup. Just for showing up people!
In addition, if we can get a minimum of 75 people to participate, we have 46 definite right now, Toys by Troy will give a $500.00 gift certificate for the most trash collected. This is a great deal for a really good cause. We're still trying to figure out how to measure the trash, weighing it, piling it, etc.
If anyone has any other ideas on ways to motivate people to come and help, please respond with your thoughts.
Thanks to everyone.
Brad
76206 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...> <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:01pm
Subject: Re: Rubicon VS H2
The Lexus Rx-470?????? It is after all the four wheeler of the
year<rolleyes>
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Wixom" <h8pvmnt@h...> wrote:
> Just got the new issue of JP Magazine today. They did a comparison
of the Rubicon vs the H2. Guess which one won LOL.
>
> Mike Wixom
> 85 CJ-7
> Member of:
> AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
> ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
> Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
> United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
76207 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
I was thinking of starting a west side caravan up there as well. I will be
leaving my house at a little before 800am to start heading into town.
Probably could meet somewhere off the 101 on the west side around 8:15
(maybe the mobil off 67th ave and the 101?). Anyone interested in running up
there in a group, shoot me an email.
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
>From: cowboy7575@a...
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup Mesa Area meet and drive ?
>Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:45:28 EST
>
>Anyone going from the Mesa area besides me going and do you want to meet
>somewhere and drive up as a group.
>
>Mike
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76208 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:34pm
Subject: RE: Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
67th Ave. and 101 by 8:15AM. OK....I can go for that. I shall see you
there!
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:29 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
I was thinking of starting a west side caravan up there as well. I will
be
leaving my house at a little before 800am to start heading into town.
Probably could meet somewhere off the 101 on the west side around 8:15
(maybe the mobil off 67th ave and the 101?). Anyone interested in
running up
there in a group, shoot me an email.
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
>From: cowboy7575@a...
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup Mesa Area meet and drive ?
>Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:45:28 EST
>
>Anyone going from the Mesa area besides me going and do you want to
meet
>somewhere and drive up as a group.
>
>Mike
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76209 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:00pm
Subject: Re: Rubicon VS H2
I looked underneath a Rubi today at Todd's shop... oh man, I am not
impressed at all.
On the auto I looked at the "standard" tranny skid plate, that all
TJ's have is moved back and another plate was added to the front to
protect the bell housing. There is some sort of vacuum or air device
added to the top side of this skid plate on the driver's side, this
looks like a bad spot. It just seems like there would be more mods
required to get it rock ready and protected than on older TJ's.
So I have a pretty good idea which one won, now.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Wixom" <h8pvmnt@h...> wrote:
> Just got the new issue of JP Magazine today. They did a comparison
of the Rubicon vs the H2. Guess which one won LOL.
>
> Mike Wixom
> 85 CJ-7
> Member of:
> AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
> ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
> Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
> United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
76210 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:20pm
Subject: RE: Re: Rubicon VS H2
Actually... I think it won "Jeep Tow Vehicle of the Year"
<grin>
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...> [mailto:bermboy@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rubicon VS H2
The Lexus Rx-470?????? It is after all the four wheeler of the
year<rolleyes>
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Wixom" <h8pvmnt@h...> wrote:
> Just got the new issue of JP Magazine today. They did a comparison
of the Rubicon vs the H2. Guess which one won LOL.
>
> Mike Wixom
> 85 CJ-7
> Member of:
> AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
> ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
> Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
> United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
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76211 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:19pm
Subject: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Didn't you used to say that wheel adapters were an accident
waiting to happen because instead of just five lug nuts to loosen up
on you, now there are ten per wheel? Just wondering... I thought
that you said that a while ago. :)
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> My pitman arm is drilled for the ORF steering so I need to replace
it. I
> was thinking about using a Waggy pitman arm because it has a lot
more
> metal around the hole. I won't know if it needs to be dropped or not
> until I get it in my garage on Saturday and take some measurements.
When
> I weld on the axle brackets I will have to adjust the angle of my
> trackbar to run parallel to the higher steering.
>
> I called Dutchman today. They say the 8.8 shafts cannot be redrilled
> because the material around the flange is weak. A set of 31 spline
alloy
> shafts in 6x5.5" pattern would be $240 a pair with studs installed.
So
> it's an improvement in strength too. They will drill the rotors at
the
> same time and make sure they match up. Drilling the rotors costs
$35 a
> pair. They assured me that they have done this before and there is
> plenty of room inside the hat of the rotor for the shaft.
>
> Or I can get some wheel adaptors to go to 6x5.5" pattern. Cost is
> $99-125 a pair depending on the source. I already have a spare set
of
> shafts so this might make more sense. Consider these measurements:
>
> Stock TJ D30 and D35: 60.00"
> Ford 8.8: 59.25"
>
> Wagoneer front 44: 61.50"
> Ford 8.8 with 6on5.5 adaptors 61.25"
>
> I'm currently running 15x10's with 3.75" backspacing. If I get
wheels
> that have 4.5" backspacing I will move each side in 3/4" which
> ultimately puts my width sidewall to sidewall up front at the same
width
> as I currently am. The rear will be 1/4" narrower than the front,
but
> 1/2" wider than it is now. So the adapters start to look good.
> Replacement parts are cheaper to acquire if needed. I can still
install
> off the shelf alloy shafts later on.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:51 AM
> To: Scott Kruize
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
>
>
> Are you having the shafts and rotors redrilled or just the rotors?
If
> you're ordering new shafts, might you also need to consider the
center
> holes in the rotors (assuming they center on the end of the shaft
> instead of the lugs)?
>
> I agree the low pinion isn't that much of an issue because most of
the
> time you place your front tires on the high points and the
pinion/shaft
> don't touch anything - even with the low pinion. I've only hit my
front
> shaft on the rocks once and that was when I took a bad line and then
> slid sideways.
>
> As for the steering, I kept the Waggy tie rod and drag link. You're
> right that the Waggy tie rod and drag link are significantly more
beefy
> than both the YJ and TJ links. And the length was correct.
>
> Note that since the Waggy tie rod is on top of the knuckle arms, I
had
> to remove my drop pitman arm and go back to my stock pitman arm. I
view
> this as a good thing. You might to do the same although you have
more
> lift than me so it's not clear.
>
> You will also have to get your pitman arm reamed out to accept the
Waggy
> drag link end as it is bigger than your stock drag link end. OR Fab
did
> mine but most fab shops can probably do this. The hole has a
conical
> shape which means you can't just use a normal drill bit to do it.
>
> Let me know if you have any other questions.
>
> -Roger
>
> Scott Kruize wrote:
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > I am picking up a Waggy 44 front end on Saturday morning. I will
have
> > the 8.8 redrilled to match the front 6 on 5.5 pattern like you
did
> > with your D44 rear end. I ultimately decided that hi pinion
wasn't a
> > big issue. Look at this pic of my TJ with the low pinion 30 and
you
> > will see why.
> >
> > I am also getting the Waggy steering so I'll just run the knuckle
over
>
> > setup. That Waggy tierod and draglink look damn beefy and should
raise
>
> > my steering up 3-4 inches compared to my ORF steering. Supposedly
the
> > length works fine with the TJs and Yjs. Which steering did you
use on
> > yours?
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:04 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > Regarding cost of switching the rear bolt pattern consider
this: Is
> > it
> > > cheaper to convert pattern or try to add disk brakes to the 35?
It's
>
> > > pretty much a wash here unless you don't mind the drum brakes.
> > > <snip>
> >
> > Horshe****! Er... I mean, agreed! ;-)
> >
> > I wasn't endorsing the Super 35 kit over the 8.8 swap. (Sorry if
it
> > came across that way.) Instead, I was merely trying to point out
a
> > possible issue that a lot of people might not think about until
long
> > after the 8.8 swap was done and it was time for a front axle swap.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> >
> >
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76212 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:26pm
Subject: RE: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Lachlan,
Be quiet, and "put that arm back inside the Jeep!" LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:20 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Didn't you used to say that wheel adapters were an accident
waiting to happen because instead of just five lug nuts to loosen up
on you, now there are ten per wheel? Just wondering... I thought
that you said that a while ago. :)
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> My pitman arm is drilled for the ORF steering so I need to replace
it. I
> was thinking about using a Waggy pitman arm because it has a lot
more
> metal around the hole. I won't know if it needs to be dropped or not
> until I get it in my garage on Saturday and take some measurements.
When
> I weld on the axle brackets I will have to adjust the angle of my
> trackbar to run parallel to the higher steering.
>
> I called Dutchman today. They say the 8.8 shafts cannot be redrilled
> because the material around the flange is weak. A set of 31 spline
alloy
> shafts in 6x5.5" pattern would be $240 a pair with studs installed.
So
> it's an improvement in strength too. They will drill the rotors at
the
> same time and make sure they match up. Drilling the rotors costs
$35 a
> pair. They assured me that they have done this before and there is
> plenty of room inside the hat of the rotor for the shaft.
>
> Or I can get some wheel adaptors to go to 6x5.5" pattern. Cost is
> $99-125 a pair depending on the source. I already have a spare set
of
> shafts so this might make more sense. Consider these measurements:
>
> Stock TJ D30 and D35: 60.00"
> Ford 8.8: 59.25"
>
> Wagoneer front 44: 61.50"
> Ford 8.8 with 6on5.5 adaptors 61.25"
>
> I'm currently running 15x10's with 3.75" backspacing. If I get
wheels
> that have 4.5" backspacing I will move each side in 3/4" which
> ultimately puts my width sidewall to sidewall up front at the same
width
> as I currently am. The rear will be 1/4" narrower than the front,
but
> 1/2" wider than it is now. So the adapters start to look good.
> Replacement parts are cheaper to acquire if needed. I can still
install
> off the shelf alloy shafts later on.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:51 AM
> To: Scott Kruize
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
>
>
> Are you having the shafts and rotors redrilled or just the rotors?
If
> you're ordering new shafts, might you also need to consider the
center
> holes in the rotors (assuming they center on the end of the shaft
> instead of the lugs)?
>
> I agree the low pinion isn't that much of an issue because most of
the
> time you place your front tires on the high points and the
pinion/shaft
> don't touch anything - even with the low pinion. I've only hit my
front
> shaft on the rocks once and that was when I took a bad line and then
> slid sideways.
>
> As for the steering, I kept the Waggy tie rod and drag link. You're
> right that the Waggy tie rod and drag link are significantly more
beefy
> than both the YJ and TJ links. And the length was correct.
>
> Note that since the Waggy tie rod is on top of the knuckle arms, I
had
> to remove my drop pitman arm and go back to my stock pitman arm. I
view
> this as a good thing. You might to do the same although you have
more
> lift than me so it's not clear.
>
> You will also have to get your pitman arm reamed out to accept the
Waggy
> drag link end as it is bigger than your stock drag link end. OR Fab
did
> mine but most fab shops can probably do this. The hole has a
conical
> shape which means you can't just use a normal drill bit to do it.
>
> Let me know if you have any other questions.
>
> -Roger
>
> Scott Kruize wrote:
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > I am picking up a Waggy 44 front end on Saturday morning. I will
have
> > the 8.8 redrilled to match the front 6 on 5.5 pattern like you
did
> > with your D44 rear end. I ultimately decided that hi pinion
wasn't a
> > big issue. Look at this pic of my TJ with the low pinion 30 and
you
> > will see why.
> >
> > I am also getting the Waggy steering so I'll just run the knuckle
over
>
> > setup. That Waggy tierod and draglink look damn beefy and should
raise
>
> > my steering up 3-4 inches compared to my ORF steering. Supposedly
the
> > length works fine with the TJs and Yjs. Which steering did you
use on
> > yours?
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:04 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > Regarding cost of switching the rear bolt pattern consider
this: Is
> > it
> > > cheaper to convert pattern or try to add disk brakes to the 35?
It's
>
> > > pretty much a wash here unless you don't mind the drum brakes.
> > > <snip>
> >
> > Horshe****! Er... I mean, agreed! ;-)
> >
> > I wasn't endorsing the Super 35 kit over the 8.8 swap. (Sorry if
it
> > came across that way.) Instead, I was merely trying to point out
a
> > possible issue that a lot of people might not think about until
long
> > after the 8.8 swap was done and it was time for a front axle swap.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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76213 From: run_andy74cj5 <andrew.j.thomas@c...> <andrew.j.thomas@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:37pm
Subject: Re: roof rack
The Kargo Master brand Kongo Cage w/Safari Rack works pretty well
for me - it's a little more spendy (in the high $6XX range) but fits
real well on my TJ. I can store a whole mess of stuff up there
(cooler, tent, other camping stuff), and it's very sturdy. You
don't even notice it's there when you're wheeling. I mainly use
this jeep for camping, and getting out w/the wife and dogs rather
than extreme wheeling - so I don't know how great it would work if
your jeep is really lifted, etc.
You can also get canoe mounts, bike mounts, etc and attach to the
Cage, and you can take the top off without completely removing the
rack (it tilts backward).
Let me know if you have questions.
Andy Thomas
'97 TJ
'75-ish CJ5
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Foster <mesa@v...>" <mesa@v...>
wrote:
>
> I went with the Garvin and am very pleased with it so far.Very
solid
> and simple to put on. If I remember right I got it from Rustys
> offroad for around $499. We packed up alot and took it up to Co.
for
> some wheeling,very quiet also.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Wade <swaders7@y...>"
<swaders7@y...>
> wrote:
> > Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get
one
> for
> > when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
> > dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
> > (Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
> >
> > ~Wade
> > '97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
76214 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rubicon VS H2
Well I havent seen the issue yet but I got a good look at an H-2 in TX on Saturday and with all those fancy running boards, didnt look like it was too trail ready to me........it might have nice clearance in the middle but none to speak of on the sides, hell my soon not to be stock ZJ looks like it has more clearance on the sides.........as to the Rubicon, I saw one at 4Wheelers in Phx yesterday and I wasnt that impressed with that either for the price, but I wouldnd buy one anyway I am perfectly satisfied with my YJ and CJ. :-)
76215 From: Mitch Woodward <mitchwoodward@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rubicon VS H2
I'm ordering a set of the H2 tires for prerunner use (315/70/17 BFG AT's). Thanks to it's production numbers, the tires are very affordable.
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: cowboy7575@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Rubicon VS H2
Well I havent seen the issue yet but I got a good look at an H-2 in TX on Saturday and with all those fancy running boards, didnt look like it was too trail ready to me........it might have nice clearance in the middle but none to speak of on the sides, hell my soon not to be stock ZJ looks like it has more clearance on the sides.........as to the Rubicon, I saw one at 4Wheelers in Phx yesterday and I wasnt that impressed with that either for the price, but I wouldnd buy one anyway I am perfectly satisfied with my YJ and CJ. :-)
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76216 From: AzVJC Website <martinida@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:20pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted: 1992 or newer 4x4 Cherokee
Price: Depends on the year I guess as close to KBB as we can agree on.
Contact: martinida@cox.net
Looking for a Cherokee to make into a family 4x4. Something I can take Grandma and the kids in to a 3.5 tops trail. Doesn't have to be modified, actually a mostly stock XJ is preferred. Send me an email if you want to get rid of your XJ.
Martin Ward
76217 From: AzVJC Website <martinida@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:20pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted: 1992 or newer 4x4 Cherokee
Price: Depends on the year I guess as close to KBB as we can agree on.
Contact: martinida@cox.net
Looking for a Cherokee to make into a family 4x4. Something I can take Grandma and the kids in to a 3.5 tops trail. Doesn't have to be modified, actually a mostly stock XJ is preferred. Send me an email if you want to get rid of your XJ.
Martin Ward
76218 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:51pm
Subject: Fwd: TJ Raffle Deadline (New Mexico)
The Las Cruces Four Wheel Drive Club is hosting a fund raiser to
support their legal defense fund for keeping public lands open.
Tickets are $100 each and limited to 500 tickets for a brand new Jeep
TJ.
They will not accept checks for payment of TJ Raffle tickets after
February 10th but will accept PayPal until the day of the drawing.
Sales can be described as dismal with 101 tickets sold. The Las
Cruces Four Wheel Drive Club had hoped for better sales for the Land
Action Fund (LAF). As stated in the past, if the sales are below 200
on the day of the raffle (Feb. 22nd), they will continue to sell
tickets until such time as 200 tickets are sold. At that point, the
raffle will be held.
There is still time to buy your ticket in the final days before the
scheduled raffle. The club expects the raffle to take place on the
February 22nd and hopes to more than cover their costs.
Please support the Las Cruces Four Wheel Drive Club and their efforts
to keep public lands open for recreation. A new TJ awaits the lucky
ticket holder and the odds of winning are better than any lotto. You
will have the added satisfaction of helping to keep our public lands
open for recreation.
For more information, contact Jerry Ward. Thanks for your help.
Jerry Ward
ward-jerry@a...
3553 Appaloosa Drive
Santa Teresa, NM 88008
505-589-4732 home
915-253-4776 cell
http://www.zianet.com/lcfwdc/tj-raffle/tj.htm
--
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76219 From: armando cantu <mandocan22@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:21am
Subject: Steeting column
Does any one have a steering column for sale or know
where I can pick one up pretty reasonable for my 1979
cj5.or even know what year of other makes and modles
fit.
--- az_vjc@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: [FS] J20 3/4-ton axles
> From: "Linda
> <minihummer@w...>"
> <minihummer@w...>
> 2. Flare Trimming?
> From: "Phil Thompson
> <ablockalypse@y...>" <ablockalypse@y...>
> 3. Re: Anyone contacted TV News for T.M.
> Clean-up coverage?
> From: "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
> <tomasr@a...>
> 4. RE: Re: Saturday Cleanup
> From: "Sandee McCullen"
> <mccullen@c...>
> 5. funky camber
> From: Scott Rafferty
> <like2drivemycj5@y...>
> 6. RE: Re: Saturday Cleanup
> From: "Sandee McCullen"
> <mccullen@c...>
> 7. Re: Flare Trimming?
> From: "Rob Williams
> <g_rob_williams@y...>"
> <g_rob_williams@y...>
> 8. FOR ALL U.S. TROOPS EVERYWHERE
> From: "Sandee McCullen"
> <mccullen@c...>
> 9. [FS] 4 RS9000 RANCHO SHOCKS
> From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
> 10. Tucson BLM office and the Florence area
> From: "Judy RAYA" <jhraya@m...>
> 11. RE: [FS] WANTED; 5 or 10 lb air (Co2) tank
> w/or without regulator
> From: "BradP Kilgore"
> <brad.kilgore@p...>
> 12. RE: Re: Wanted - ac compressor.
> From: "BradP Kilgore"
> <brad.kilgore@p...>
> 13. [FS] JEEP PROPERTY
> From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
> 14. Re: [FS] JEEP PROPERTY
> From: "BADAZXJ XJArizona"
> <BadAZXJ@m...>
> 15. East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
> From: "Nasser" <nasser88@c...>
> 16. RE: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> From: "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
> 17. Jay E. Where is the D300 twin stick write
> up?
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> 18. Fw: Progress in Meetings and Permits
> From: "Michael Wixom"
> <h8pvmnt@h...>
> 19. roof rack
> From: "Wade <swaders7@y...>"
> <swaders7@y...>
> 20. Re: roof rack
> From: "Mike Foster
> <mesa@v...>" <mesa@v...>
> 21. 2003 Jamboree
> From: "Sandee McCullen"
> <mccullen@c...>
> 22. Re: roof rack
> From: cowboy7575@a...
> 23. Re: 2003 Jamboree
> From: "highjeeps <highupjeep@q...>"
> <highupjeep@q...>
> 24. Re: Re: Saturday Cleanup Mesa Area meet
> and drive ?
> From: cowboy7575@a...
> 25. Mesa Jeep-a-van to Saturday's cleanup.
> From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:16:33 -0000
> From: "Linda <minihummer@w...>"
> <minihummer@w...>
> Subject: Re: [FS] J20 3/4-ton axles
>
> Not a problem at all! I found a 1980 J20 (parts
> truck) with the front
> diff on the driver's side. That will make it easier
> to route the 4BT
> exhaust and the Willys will get a stronger frame for
> the engine (4BTs
> weigh around 725#). Another plus is that we won't
> have to redesign
> the suspension. The biggest job will be shortening
> the frame to wagon
> length.
>
> I am parting out most of the J20 truck, but a lot of
> it will probably
> be going to the salvage yard. The only body part
> that is in good
> shape is the cab (w/VIN tag).
>
> Linda
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Towle
> <James.Towle@a...>"
> <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> > Linda,
> >
> > After all that work in getting them they won't
> work for you? That's
> > too bad. Is the D60 a 35 spline or 31 spline?
> (probably 31 spline)
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website
> <minihummer@w...>
> wrote:
> > >
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:44:43 -0000
> From: "Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>"
> <ablockalypse@y...>
> Subject: Flare Trimming?
>
> Anybody just cut the vertical part of the stock
> flares on a TJ for a
> little more clearace in lieu of a "flatfender". I
> don't quite have
> the ba!!s to cut the sheetmetal yet. I take that
> back, I don't have
> the stones to face the wife after i do it ;) If
> you've done it and
> have a pic I'd appreciate it. I'd also like to hear
> comments if you
> think of any drawbacks.
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:06:21 -0000
> From: "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
> <tomasr@a...>
> Subject: Re: Anyone contacted TV News for T.M.
> Clean-up coverage?
>
> FYI: I have not heard anything back from Kurt -
> neither about
> contacting the media nor about the start time
> (someone mentioned they
> heard the start time had been changed from 9am to
> 8am).
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691
> <tomasr@a...>"
> <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > I emailed Kurt Loga of the Phoenix 4 Wheelers and
> asked him if the
> > media has been contacted. I'll let you all konw
> once I hear back
> > from him. If they have not contacted the media,
> does someone here
> > want to take on that task? Anyone with
> connections to the media?
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Gevarter
> <gev39@y...>"
> > <gev39@y...> wrote:
> > > Just wondering if there has been any contact
> with the local news
> > > stations to see if they will come out and give
> us some TV
> coverage.
> > > Most folks have no idea that OHVers participate
> in this type of
> > > event, or be aware that a dumping problem even
> exists.
> > > I think it would be awesome to show the general
> public our
> efforts.
> > > Russ
>
>
>
>
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76220 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:46am
Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
yea but ya have to go slow... my little 4 banger don't like hills ( freeway
over passes!!! LOL)
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
----- Original Message -----
From: "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
>
>
> I was thinking of starting a west side caravan up there as well. I will be
> leaving my house at a little before 800am to start heading into town.
> Probably could meet somewhere off the 101 on the west side around 8:15
> (maybe the mobil off 67th ave and the 101?). Anyone interested in running
up
> there in a group, shoot me an email.
>
> Frank
> BadAzXJ@m...
>
>
>
>
> >From: cowboy7575@a...
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup Mesa Area meet and drive ?
> >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:45:28 EST
> >
> >Anyone going from the Mesa area besides me going and do you want to meet
> >somewhere and drive up as a group.
> >
> >Mike
>
>
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76221 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:51am
Subject: RE: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Lachlan,
I'm not sure if Kruize was against them... but I certainly was against the
use of wheel adaptors as a general practice just because of the difficulty
of ensuring that they stay tight (and other reasons). I still think that it
is, in general, bad practice to use wheel adaptors.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:20 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Didn't you used to say that wheel adapters were an accident
waiting to happen because instead of just five lug nuts to loosen up
on you, now there are ten per wheel? Just wondering... I thought
that you said that a while ago. :)
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> My pitman arm is drilled for the ORF steering so I need to replace
it. I
> was thinking about using a Waggy pitman arm because it has a lot
more
> metal around the hole. I won't know if it needs to be dropped or not
> until I get it in my garage on Saturday and take some measurements.
When
> I weld on the axle brackets I will have to adjust the angle of my
> trackbar to run parallel to the higher steering.
>
> I called Dutchman today. They say the 8.8 shafts cannot be redrilled
> because the material around the flange is weak. A set of 31 spline
alloy
> shafts in 6x5.5" pattern would be $240 a pair with studs installed.
So
> it's an improvement in strength too. They will drill the rotors at
the
> same time and make sure they match up. Drilling the rotors costs
$35 a
> pair. They assured me that they have done this before and there is
> plenty of room inside the hat of the rotor for the shaft.
>
> Or I can get some wheel adaptors to go to 6x5.5" pattern. Cost is
> $99-125 a pair depending on the source. I already have a spare set
of
> shafts so this might make more sense. Consider these measurements:
>
> Stock TJ D30 and D35: 60.00"
> Ford 8.8: 59.25"
>
> Wagoneer front 44: 61.50"
> Ford 8.8 with 6on5.5 adaptors 61.25"
>
> I'm currently running 15x10's with 3.75" backspacing. If I get
wheels
> that have 4.5" backspacing I will move each side in 3/4" which
> ultimately puts my width sidewall to sidewall up front at the same
width
> as I currently am. The rear will be 1/4" narrower than the front,
but
> 1/2" wider than it is now. So the adapters start to look good.
> Replacement parts are cheaper to acquire if needed. I can still
install
> off the shelf alloy shafts later on.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:51 AM
> To: Scott Kruize
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
>
>
> Are you having the shafts and rotors redrilled or just the rotors?
If
> you're ordering new shafts, might you also need to consider the
center
> holes in the rotors (assuming they center on the end of the shaft
> instead of the lugs)?
>
> I agree the low pinion isn't that much of an issue because most of
the
> time you place your front tires on the high points and the
pinion/shaft
> don't touch anything - even with the low pinion. I've only hit my
front
> shaft on the rocks once and that was when I took a bad line and then
> slid sideways.
>
> As for the steering, I kept the Waggy tie rod and drag link. You're
> right that the Waggy tie rod and drag link are significantly more
beefy
> than both the YJ and TJ links. And the length was correct.
>
> Note that since the Waggy tie rod is on top of the knuckle arms, I
had
> to remove my drop pitman arm and go back to my stock pitman arm. I
view
> this as a good thing. You might to do the same although you have
more
> lift than me so it's not clear.
>
> You will also have to get your pitman arm reamed out to accept the
Waggy
> drag link end as it is bigger than your stock drag link end. OR Fab
did
> mine but most fab shops can probably do this. The hole has a
conical
> shape which means you can't just use a normal drill bit to do it.
>
> Let me know if you have any other questions.
>
> -Roger
>
> Scott Kruize wrote:
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > I am picking up a Waggy 44 front end on Saturday morning. I will
have
> > the 8.8 redrilled to match the front 6 on 5.5 pattern like you
did
> > with your D44 rear end. I ultimately decided that hi pinion
wasn't a
> > big issue. Look at this pic of my TJ with the low pinion 30 and
you
> > will see why.
> >
> > I am also getting the Waggy steering so I'll just run the knuckle
over
>
> > setup. That Waggy tierod and draglink look damn beefy and should
raise
>
> > my steering up 3-4 inches compared to my ORF steering. Supposedly
the
> > length works fine with the TJs and Yjs. Which steering did you
use on
> > yours?
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:04 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > Regarding cost of switching the rear bolt pattern consider
this: Is
> > it
> > > cheaper to convert pattern or try to add disk brakes to the 35?
It's
>
> > > pretty much a wash here unless you don't mind the drum brakes.
> > > <snip>
> >
> > Horshe****! Er... I mean, agreed! ;-)
> >
> > I wasn't endorsing the Super 35 kit over the 8.8 swap. (Sorry if
it
> > came across that way.) Instead, I was merely trying to point out
a
> > possible issue that a lot of people might not think about until
long
> > after the 8.8 swap was done and it was time for a front axle swap.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> >
> >
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76222 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:49am
Subject: Re: Re: Rubicon VS H2
EEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!! square headlights!!! at least ya have something with round headlights!!!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
----- Original Message -----
From: cowboy7575@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Rubicon VS H2
Well I havent seen the issue yet but I got a good look at an H-2 in TX on Saturday and with all those fancy running boards, didnt look like it was too trail ready to me........it might have nice clearance in the middle but none to speak of on the sides, hell my soon not to be stock ZJ looks like it has more clearance on the sides.........as to the Rubicon, I saw one at 4Wheelers in Phx yesterday and I wasnt that impressed with that either for the price, but I wouldnd buy one anyway I am perfectly satisfied with my YJ and CJ. :-)
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76223 From: Linda <minihummer@w...> <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:08am
Subject: Re: 2003 Jamboree
Why in the heck would a bunch of 4-wheelers who don't care to be a
part of organized 4-wheeling care about when the ASA4WDC Jamboree is
being held? I doubt the more than 10% of the folks in the AZVJC are
memebers of ASA4WDC member clubs or belong as individual members to
the ASA4WDC or the UFWDA -- because it costs too much. There is no
point in posting ASA4WDC business on this forum.
Linda
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
wrote:
> Brad and Board........
> I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then talked
to Sgt
> McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
>
> The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use this
year.
> They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree will have to be
Oct.
> 9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26 is Spook Rally.. I have
> requested "confirmation" of this date.
>
> Sandee
76224 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:20am
Subject: Where to buy reamers?
I need to ream the holes in my steering knuckles to accept the new 1
ton ends I got. Are these available in places like Loews or Home Depot?
Is there any specific type I need to buy?
Thanks,
Chris
76225 From: dbkcs <dbkcs@y...> <dbkcs@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:21am
Subject: Re: steering column
4x4 salvage down at 3125 W. Broadway in Phoenix. If not there is a
Jeep parts shop on Grand Ave and 31 Ave. Sorry don't remember the
name but they do have parts also.
76226 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:20am
Subject: Re: roof rack
You could make you own....;)
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From: <swaders7@yahoo.com>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:57 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] roof rack
> Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get one for
> when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
> dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
> (Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
>
> ~Wade
> '97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
>
>
>
>
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76202 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:01pm
Subject: RE: Re: roof rack
I have had a Garvin rack on my Jeep for a few years; it has held up
extremely well under a great deal of abuse... I routinely carry well over
300 pounds of SCUBA gear on my rack and it has taken the ab(use) without
complaint. Garvin also stands behind their product; sending me new rack
rails when my existing ones started wearing through the powder coat.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Foster <mesa@v...> [mailto:mesa@v...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: roof rack
I went with the Garvin and am very pleased with it so far.Very solid
and simple to put on. If I remember right I got it from Rustys
offroad for around $499. We packed up alot and took it up to Co. for
some wheeling,very quiet also.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Wade <swaders7@y...>" <swaders7@y...>
wrote:
> Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get one
for
> when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
> dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
> (Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
>
> ~Wade
> '97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
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76203 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:02pm
Subject: Mesa Jeep-a-van to Saturday's cleanup.
Meeting at the Texaco Gas Station on the South-West corner of Gilbert Road
and Southern at 8:00am for an 8:45am arrival at Table Mesa Road.
Joe West
76204 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:19pm
Subject: Rubicon VS H2
Just got the new issue of JP Magazine today. They did a comparison of the Rubicon vs the H2. Guess which one won LOL.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
76205 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:20pm
Subject: Table Mesa Cleanup
I was just talking to Troy and we would like to see more people participate in the Cleanup. Troy has offered to give a certificate for an additional 10% discount on his product and services, (for a total $20%), to all people who participate in the cleanup. Just for showing up people!
In addition, if we can get a minimum of 75 people to participate, we have 46 definite right now, Toys by Troy will give a $500.00 gift certificate for the most trash collected. This is a great deal for a really good cause. We're still trying to figure out how to measure the trash, weighing it, piling it, etc.
If anyone has any other ideas on ways to motivate people to come and help, please respond with your thoughts.
Thanks to everyone.
Brad
76206 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...> <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:01pm
Subject: Re: Rubicon VS H2
The Lexus Rx-470?????? It is after all the four wheeler of the
year<rolleyes>
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Wixom" <h8pvmnt@h...> wrote:
> Just got the new issue of JP Magazine today. They did a comparison
of the Rubicon vs the H2. Guess which one won LOL.
>
> Mike Wixom
> 85 CJ-7
> Member of:
> AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
> ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
> Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
> United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
76207 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
I was thinking of starting a west side caravan up there as well. I will be
leaving my house at a little before 800am to start heading into town.
Probably could meet somewhere off the 101 on the west side around 8:15
(maybe the mobil off 67th ave and the 101?). Anyone interested in running up
there in a group, shoot me an email.
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
>From: cowboy7575@a...
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup Mesa Area meet and drive ?
>Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:45:28 EST
>
>Anyone going from the Mesa area besides me going and do you want to meet
>somewhere and drive up as a group.
>
>Mike
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76208 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:34pm
Subject: RE: Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
67th Ave. and 101 by 8:15AM. OK....I can go for that. I shall see you
there!
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:29 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
I was thinking of starting a west side caravan up there as well. I will
be
leaving my house at a little before 800am to start heading into town.
Probably could meet somewhere off the 101 on the west side around 8:15
(maybe the mobil off 67th ave and the 101?). Anyone interested in
running up
there in a group, shoot me an email.
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
>From: cowboy7575@a...
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup Mesa Area meet and drive ?
>Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:45:28 EST
>
>Anyone going from the Mesa area besides me going and do you want to
meet
>somewhere and drive up as a group.
>
>Mike
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76209 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:00pm
Subject: Re: Rubicon VS H2
I looked underneath a Rubi today at Todd's shop... oh man, I am not
impressed at all.
On the auto I looked at the "standard" tranny skid plate, that all
TJ's have is moved back and another plate was added to the front to
protect the bell housing. There is some sort of vacuum or air device
added to the top side of this skid plate on the driver's side, this
looks like a bad spot. It just seems like there would be more mods
required to get it rock ready and protected than on older TJ's.
So I have a pretty good idea which one won, now.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Wixom" <h8pvmnt@h...> wrote:
> Just got the new issue of JP Magazine today. They did a comparison
of the Rubicon vs the H2. Guess which one won LOL.
>
> Mike Wixom
> 85 CJ-7
> Member of:
> AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
> ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
> Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
> United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
76210 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:20pm
Subject: RE: Re: Rubicon VS H2
Actually... I think it won "Jeep Tow Vehicle of the Year"
<grin>
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...> [mailto:bermboy@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rubicon VS H2
The Lexus Rx-470?????? It is after all the four wheeler of the
year<rolleyes>
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Wixom" <h8pvmnt@h...> wrote:
> Just got the new issue of JP Magazine today. They did a comparison
of the Rubicon vs the H2. Guess which one won LOL.
>
> Mike Wixom
> 85 CJ-7
> Member of:
> AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
> ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
> Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
> United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
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76211 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:19pm
Subject: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Didn't you used to say that wheel adapters were an accident
waiting to happen because instead of just five lug nuts to loosen up
on you, now there are ten per wheel? Just wondering... I thought
that you said that a while ago. :)
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> My pitman arm is drilled for the ORF steering so I need to replace
it. I
> was thinking about using a Waggy pitman arm because it has a lot
more
> metal around the hole. I won't know if it needs to be dropped or not
> until I get it in my garage on Saturday and take some measurements.
When
> I weld on the axle brackets I will have to adjust the angle of my
> trackbar to run parallel to the higher steering.
>
> I called Dutchman today. They say the 8.8 shafts cannot be redrilled
> because the material around the flange is weak. A set of 31 spline
alloy
> shafts in 6x5.5" pattern would be $240 a pair with studs installed.
So
> it's an improvement in strength too. They will drill the rotors at
the
> same time and make sure they match up. Drilling the rotors costs
$35 a
> pair. They assured me that they have done this before and there is
> plenty of room inside the hat of the rotor for the shaft.
>
> Or I can get some wheel adaptors to go to 6x5.5" pattern. Cost is
> $99-125 a pair depending on the source. I already have a spare set
of
> shafts so this might make more sense. Consider these measurements:
>
> Stock TJ D30 and D35: 60.00"
> Ford 8.8: 59.25"
>
> Wagoneer front 44: 61.50"
> Ford 8.8 with 6on5.5 adaptors 61.25"
>
> I'm currently running 15x10's with 3.75" backspacing. If I get
wheels
> that have 4.5" backspacing I will move each side in 3/4" which
> ultimately puts my width sidewall to sidewall up front at the same
width
> as I currently am. The rear will be 1/4" narrower than the front,
but
> 1/2" wider than it is now. So the adapters start to look good.
> Replacement parts are cheaper to acquire if needed. I can still
install
> off the shelf alloy shafts later on.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:51 AM
> To: Scott Kruize
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
>
>
> Are you having the shafts and rotors redrilled or just the rotors?
If
> you're ordering new shafts, might you also need to consider the
center
> holes in the rotors (assuming they center on the end of the shaft
> instead of the lugs)?
>
> I agree the low pinion isn't that much of an issue because most of
the
> time you place your front tires on the high points and the
pinion/shaft
> don't touch anything - even with the low pinion. I've only hit my
front
> shaft on the rocks once and that was when I took a bad line and then
> slid sideways.
>
> As for the steering, I kept the Waggy tie rod and drag link. You're
> right that the Waggy tie rod and drag link are significantly more
beefy
> than both the YJ and TJ links. And the length was correct.
>
> Note that since the Waggy tie rod is on top of the knuckle arms, I
had
> to remove my drop pitman arm and go back to my stock pitman arm. I
view
> this as a good thing. You might to do the same although you have
more
> lift than me so it's not clear.
>
> You will also have to get your pitman arm reamed out to accept the
Waggy
> drag link end as it is bigger than your stock drag link end. OR Fab
did
> mine but most fab shops can probably do this. The hole has a
conical
> shape which means you can't just use a normal drill bit to do it.
>
> Let me know if you have any other questions.
>
> -Roger
>
> Scott Kruize wrote:
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > I am picking up a Waggy 44 front end on Saturday morning. I will
have
> > the 8.8 redrilled to match the front 6 on 5.5 pattern like you
did
> > with your D44 rear end. I ultimately decided that hi pinion
wasn't a
> > big issue. Look at this pic of my TJ with the low pinion 30 and
you
> > will see why.
> >
> > I am also getting the Waggy steering so I'll just run the knuckle
over
>
> > setup. That Waggy tierod and draglink look damn beefy and should
raise
>
> > my steering up 3-4 inches compared to my ORF steering. Supposedly
the
> > length works fine with the TJs and Yjs. Which steering did you
use on
> > yours?
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:04 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > Regarding cost of switching the rear bolt pattern consider
this: Is
> > it
> > > cheaper to convert pattern or try to add disk brakes to the 35?
It's
>
> > > pretty much a wash here unless you don't mind the drum brakes.
> > > <snip>
> >
> > Horshe****! Er... I mean, agreed! ;-)
> >
> > I wasn't endorsing the Super 35 kit over the 8.8 swap. (Sorry if
it
> > came across that way.) Instead, I was merely trying to point out
a
> > possible issue that a lot of people might not think about until
long
> > after the 8.8 swap was done and it was time for a front axle swap.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
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76212 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:26pm
Subject: RE: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Lachlan,
Be quiet, and "put that arm back inside the Jeep!" LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:20 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Didn't you used to say that wheel adapters were an accident
waiting to happen because instead of just five lug nuts to loosen up
on you, now there are ten per wheel? Just wondering... I thought
that you said that a while ago. :)
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> My pitman arm is drilled for the ORF steering so I need to replace
it. I
> was thinking about using a Waggy pitman arm because it has a lot
more
> metal around the hole. I won't know if it needs to be dropped or not
> until I get it in my garage on Saturday and take some measurements.
When
> I weld on the axle brackets I will have to adjust the angle of my
> trackbar to run parallel to the higher steering.
>
> I called Dutchman today. They say the 8.8 shafts cannot be redrilled
> because the material around the flange is weak. A set of 31 spline
alloy
> shafts in 6x5.5" pattern would be $240 a pair with studs installed.
So
> it's an improvement in strength too. They will drill the rotors at
the
> same time and make sure they match up. Drilling the rotors costs
$35 a
> pair. They assured me that they have done this before and there is
> plenty of room inside the hat of the rotor for the shaft.
>
> Or I can get some wheel adaptors to go to 6x5.5" pattern. Cost is
> $99-125 a pair depending on the source. I already have a spare set
of
> shafts so this might make more sense. Consider these measurements:
>
> Stock TJ D30 and D35: 60.00"
> Ford 8.8: 59.25"
>
> Wagoneer front 44: 61.50"
> Ford 8.8 with 6on5.5 adaptors 61.25"
>
> I'm currently running 15x10's with 3.75" backspacing. If I get
wheels
> that have 4.5" backspacing I will move each side in 3/4" which
> ultimately puts my width sidewall to sidewall up front at the same
width
> as I currently am. The rear will be 1/4" narrower than the front,
but
> 1/2" wider than it is now. So the adapters start to look good.
> Replacement parts are cheaper to acquire if needed. I can still
install
> off the shelf alloy shafts later on.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:51 AM
> To: Scott Kruize
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
>
>
> Are you having the shafts and rotors redrilled or just the rotors?
If
> you're ordering new shafts, might you also need to consider the
center
> holes in the rotors (assuming they center on the end of the shaft
> instead of the lugs)?
>
> I agree the low pinion isn't that much of an issue because most of
the
> time you place your front tires on the high points and the
pinion/shaft
> don't touch anything - even with the low pinion. I've only hit my
front
> shaft on the rocks once and that was when I took a bad line and then
> slid sideways.
>
> As for the steering, I kept the Waggy tie rod and drag link. You're
> right that the Waggy tie rod and drag link are significantly more
beefy
> than both the YJ and TJ links. And the length was correct.
>
> Note that since the Waggy tie rod is on top of the knuckle arms, I
had
> to remove my drop pitman arm and go back to my stock pitman arm. I
view
> this as a good thing. You might to do the same although you have
more
> lift than me so it's not clear.
>
> You will also have to get your pitman arm reamed out to accept the
Waggy
> drag link end as it is bigger than your stock drag link end. OR Fab
did
> mine but most fab shops can probably do this. The hole has a
conical
> shape which means you can't just use a normal drill bit to do it.
>
> Let me know if you have any other questions.
>
> -Roger
>
> Scott Kruize wrote:
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > I am picking up a Waggy 44 front end on Saturday morning. I will
have
> > the 8.8 redrilled to match the front 6 on 5.5 pattern like you
did
> > with your D44 rear end. I ultimately decided that hi pinion
wasn't a
> > big issue. Look at this pic of my TJ with the low pinion 30 and
you
> > will see why.
> >
> > I am also getting the Waggy steering so I'll just run the knuckle
over
>
> > setup. That Waggy tierod and draglink look damn beefy and should
raise
>
> > my steering up 3-4 inches compared to my ORF steering. Supposedly
the
> > length works fine with the TJs and Yjs. Which steering did you
use on
> > yours?
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:04 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > Regarding cost of switching the rear bolt pattern consider
this: Is
> > it
> > > cheaper to convert pattern or try to add disk brakes to the 35?
It's
>
> > > pretty much a wash here unless you don't mind the drum brakes.
> > > <snip>
> >
> > Horshe****! Er... I mean, agreed! ;-)
> >
> > I wasn't endorsing the Super 35 kit over the 8.8 swap. (Sorry if
it
> > came across that way.) Instead, I was merely trying to point out
a
> > possible issue that a lot of people might not think about until
long
> > after the 8.8 swap was done and it was time for a front axle swap.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
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76213 From: run_andy74cj5 <andrew.j.thomas@c...> <andrew.j.thomas@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:37pm
Subject: Re: roof rack
The Kargo Master brand Kongo Cage w/Safari Rack works pretty well
for me - it's a little more spendy (in the high $6XX range) but fits
real well on my TJ. I can store a whole mess of stuff up there
(cooler, tent, other camping stuff), and it's very sturdy. You
don't even notice it's there when you're wheeling. I mainly use
this jeep for camping, and getting out w/the wife and dogs rather
than extreme wheeling - so I don't know how great it would work if
your jeep is really lifted, etc.
You can also get canoe mounts, bike mounts, etc and attach to the
Cage, and you can take the top off without completely removing the
rack (it tilts backward).
Let me know if you have questions.
Andy Thomas
'97 TJ
'75-ish CJ5
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Foster <mesa@v...>" <mesa@v...>
wrote:
>
> I went with the Garvin and am very pleased with it so far.Very
solid
> and simple to put on. If I remember right I got it from Rustys
> offroad for around $499. We packed up alot and took it up to Co.
for
> some wheeling,very quiet also.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Wade <swaders7@y...>"
<swaders7@y...>
> wrote:
> > Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get
one
> for
> > when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
> > dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
> > (Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
> >
> > ~Wade
> > '97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
76214 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rubicon VS H2
Well I havent seen the issue yet but I got a good look at an H-2 in TX on Saturday and with all those fancy running boards, didnt look like it was too trail ready to me........it might have nice clearance in the middle but none to speak of on the sides, hell my soon not to be stock ZJ looks like it has more clearance on the sides.........as to the Rubicon, I saw one at 4Wheelers in Phx yesterday and I wasnt that impressed with that either for the price, but I wouldnd buy one anyway I am perfectly satisfied with my YJ and CJ. :-)
76215 From: Mitch Woodward <mitchwoodward@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rubicon VS H2
I'm ordering a set of the H2 tires for prerunner use (315/70/17 BFG AT's). Thanks to it's production numbers, the tires are very affordable.
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: cowboy7575@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Rubicon VS H2
Well I havent seen the issue yet but I got a good look at an H-2 in TX on Saturday and with all those fancy running boards, didnt look like it was too trail ready to me........it might have nice clearance in the middle but none to speak of on the sides, hell my soon not to be stock ZJ looks like it has more clearance on the sides.........as to the Rubicon, I saw one at 4Wheelers in Phx yesterday and I wasnt that impressed with that either for the price, but I wouldnd buy one anyway I am perfectly satisfied with my YJ and CJ. :-)
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76216 From: AzVJC Website <martinida@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:20pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted: 1992 or newer 4x4 Cherokee
Price: Depends on the year I guess as close to KBB as we can agree on.
Contact: martinida@cox.net
Looking for a Cherokee to make into a family 4x4. Something I can take Grandma and the kids in to a 3.5 tops trail. Doesn't have to be modified, actually a mostly stock XJ is preferred. Send me an email if you want to get rid of your XJ.
Martin Ward
76217 From: AzVJC Website <martinida@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:20pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted: 1992 or newer 4x4 Cherokee
Price: Depends on the year I guess as close to KBB as we can agree on.
Contact: martinida@cox.net
Looking for a Cherokee to make into a family 4x4. Something I can take Grandma and the kids in to a 3.5 tops trail. Doesn't have to be modified, actually a mostly stock XJ is preferred. Send me an email if you want to get rid of your XJ.
Martin Ward
76218 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:51pm
Subject: Fwd: TJ Raffle Deadline (New Mexico)
The Las Cruces Four Wheel Drive Club is hosting a fund raiser to
support their legal defense fund for keeping public lands open.
Tickets are $100 each and limited to 500 tickets for a brand new Jeep
TJ.
They will not accept checks for payment of TJ Raffle tickets after
February 10th but will accept PayPal until the day of the drawing.
Sales can be described as dismal with 101 tickets sold. The Las
Cruces Four Wheel Drive Club had hoped for better sales for the Land
Action Fund (LAF). As stated in the past, if the sales are below 200
on the day of the raffle (Feb. 22nd), they will continue to sell
tickets until such time as 200 tickets are sold. At that point, the
raffle will be held.
There is still time to buy your ticket in the final days before the
scheduled raffle. The club expects the raffle to take place on the
February 22nd and hopes to more than cover their costs.
Please support the Las Cruces Four Wheel Drive Club and their efforts
to keep public lands open for recreation. A new TJ awaits the lucky
ticket holder and the odds of winning are better than any lotto. You
will have the added satisfaction of helping to keep our public lands
open for recreation.
For more information, contact Jerry Ward. Thanks for your help.
Jerry Ward
ward-jerry@a...
3553 Appaloosa Drive
Santa Teresa, NM 88008
505-589-4732 home
915-253-4776 cell
http://www.zianet.com/lcfwdc/tj-raffle/tj.htm
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
76219 From: armando cantu <mandocan22@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:21am
Subject: Steeting column
Does any one have a steering column for sale or know
where I can pick one up pretty reasonable for my 1979
cj5.or even know what year of other makes and modles
fit.
--- az_vjc@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: [FS] J20 3/4-ton axles
> From: "Linda
> <minihummer@w...>"
> <minihummer@w...>
> 2. Flare Trimming?
> From: "Phil Thompson
> <ablockalypse@y...>" <ablockalypse@y...>
> 3. Re: Anyone contacted TV News for T.M.
> Clean-up coverage?
> From: "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
> <tomasr@a...>
> 4. RE: Re: Saturday Cleanup
> From: "Sandee McCullen"
> <mccullen@c...>
> 5. funky camber
> From: Scott Rafferty
> <like2drivemycj5@y...>
> 6. RE: Re: Saturday Cleanup
> From: "Sandee McCullen"
> <mccullen@c...>
> 7. Re: Flare Trimming?
> From: "Rob Williams
> <g_rob_williams@y...>"
> <g_rob_williams@y...>
> 8. FOR ALL U.S. TROOPS EVERYWHERE
> From: "Sandee McCullen"
> <mccullen@c...>
> 9. [FS] 4 RS9000 RANCHO SHOCKS
> From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
> 10. Tucson BLM office and the Florence area
> From: "Judy RAYA" <jhraya@m...>
> 11. RE: [FS] WANTED; 5 or 10 lb air (Co2) tank
> w/or without regulator
> From: "BradP Kilgore"
> <brad.kilgore@p...>
> 12. RE: Re: Wanted - ac compressor.
> From: "BradP Kilgore"
> <brad.kilgore@p...>
> 13. [FS] JEEP PROPERTY
> From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
> 14. Re: [FS] JEEP PROPERTY
> From: "BADAZXJ XJArizona"
> <BadAZXJ@m...>
> 15. East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
> From: "Nasser" <nasser88@c...>
> 16. RE: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> From: "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
> 17. Jay E. Where is the D300 twin stick write
> up?
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> 18. Fw: Progress in Meetings and Permits
> From: "Michael Wixom"
> <h8pvmnt@h...>
> 19. roof rack
> From: "Wade <swaders7@y...>"
> <swaders7@y...>
> 20. Re: roof rack
> From: "Mike Foster
> <mesa@v...>" <mesa@v...>
> 21. 2003 Jamboree
> From: "Sandee McCullen"
> <mccullen@c...>
> 22. Re: roof rack
> From: cowboy7575@a...
> 23. Re: 2003 Jamboree
> From: "highjeeps <highupjeep@q...>"
> <highupjeep@q...>
> 24. Re: Re: Saturday Cleanup Mesa Area meet
> and drive ?
> From: cowboy7575@a...
> 25. Mesa Jeep-a-van to Saturday's cleanup.
> From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:16:33 -0000
> From: "Linda <minihummer@w...>"
> <minihummer@w...>
> Subject: Re: [FS] J20 3/4-ton axles
>
> Not a problem at all! I found a 1980 J20 (parts
> truck) with the front
> diff on the driver's side. That will make it easier
> to route the 4BT
> exhaust and the Willys will get a stronger frame for
> the engine (4BTs
> weigh around 725#). Another plus is that we won't
> have to redesign
> the suspension. The biggest job will be shortening
> the frame to wagon
> length.
>
> I am parting out most of the J20 truck, but a lot of
> it will probably
> be going to the salvage yard. The only body part
> that is in good
> shape is the cab (w/VIN tag).
>
> Linda
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Towle
> <James.Towle@a...>"
> <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> > Linda,
> >
> > After all that work in getting them they won't
> work for you? That's
> > too bad. Is the D60 a 35 spline or 31 spline?
> (probably 31 spline)
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website
> <minihummer@w...>
> wrote:
> > >
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:44:43 -0000
> From: "Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>"
> <ablockalypse@y...>
> Subject: Flare Trimming?
>
> Anybody just cut the vertical part of the stock
> flares on a TJ for a
> little more clearace in lieu of a "flatfender". I
> don't quite have
> the ba!!s to cut the sheetmetal yet. I take that
> back, I don't have
> the stones to face the wife after i do it ;) If
> you've done it and
> have a pic I'd appreciate it. I'd also like to hear
> comments if you
> think of any drawbacks.
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:06:21 -0000
> From: "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
> <tomasr@a...>
> Subject: Re: Anyone contacted TV News for T.M.
> Clean-up coverage?
>
> FYI: I have not heard anything back from Kurt -
> neither about
> contacting the media nor about the start time
> (someone mentioned they
> heard the start time had been changed from 9am to
> 8am).
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691
> <tomasr@a...>"
> <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > I emailed Kurt Loga of the Phoenix 4 Wheelers and
> asked him if the
> > media has been contacted. I'll let you all konw
> once I hear back
> > from him. If they have not contacted the media,
> does someone here
> > want to take on that task? Anyone with
> connections to the media?
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Gevarter
> <gev39@y...>"
> > <gev39@y...> wrote:
> > > Just wondering if there has been any contact
> with the local news
> > > stations to see if they will come out and give
> us some TV
> coverage.
> > > Most folks have no idea that OHVers participate
> in this type of
> > > event, or be aware that a dumping problem even
> exists.
> > > I think it would be awesome to show the general
> public our
> efforts.
> > > Russ
>
>
>
>
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76220 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:46am
Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
yea but ya have to go slow... my little 4 banger don't like hills ( freeway
over passes!!! LOL)
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
----- Original Message -----
From: "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup west side meet and drive ?
>
>
> I was thinking of starting a west side caravan up there as well. I will be
> leaving my house at a little before 800am to start heading into town.
> Probably could meet somewhere off the 101 on the west side around 8:15
> (maybe the mobil off 67th ave and the 101?). Anyone interested in running
up
> there in a group, shoot me an email.
>
> Frank
> BadAzXJ@m...
>
>
>
>
> >From: cowboy7575@a...
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup Mesa Area meet and drive ?
> >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:45:28 EST
> >
> >Anyone going from the Mesa area besides me going and do you want to meet
> >somewhere and drive up as a group.
> >
> >Mike
>
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76221 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:51am
Subject: RE: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Lachlan,
I'm not sure if Kruize was against them... but I certainly was against the
use of wheel adaptors as a general practice just because of the difficulty
of ensuring that they stay tight (and other reasons). I still think that it
is, in general, bad practice to use wheel adaptors.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:20 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Didn't you used to say that wheel adapters were an accident
waiting to happen because instead of just five lug nuts to loosen up
on you, now there are ten per wheel? Just wondering... I thought
that you said that a while ago. :)
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> My pitman arm is drilled for the ORF steering so I need to replace
it. I
> was thinking about using a Waggy pitman arm because it has a lot
more
> metal around the hole. I won't know if it needs to be dropped or not
> until I get it in my garage on Saturday and take some measurements.
When
> I weld on the axle brackets I will have to adjust the angle of my
> trackbar to run parallel to the higher steering.
>
> I called Dutchman today. They say the 8.8 shafts cannot be redrilled
> because the material around the flange is weak. A set of 31 spline
alloy
> shafts in 6x5.5" pattern would be $240 a pair with studs installed.
So
> it's an improvement in strength too. They will drill the rotors at
the
> same time and make sure they match up. Drilling the rotors costs
$35 a
> pair. They assured me that they have done this before and there is
> plenty of room inside the hat of the rotor for the shaft.
>
> Or I can get some wheel adaptors to go to 6x5.5" pattern. Cost is
> $99-125 a pair depending on the source. I already have a spare set
of
> shafts so this might make more sense. Consider these measurements:
>
> Stock TJ D30 and D35: 60.00"
> Ford 8.8: 59.25"
>
> Wagoneer front 44: 61.50"
> Ford 8.8 with 6on5.5 adaptors 61.25"
>
> I'm currently running 15x10's with 3.75" backspacing. If I get
wheels
> that have 4.5" backspacing I will move each side in 3/4" which
> ultimately puts my width sidewall to sidewall up front at the same
width
> as I currently am. The rear will be 1/4" narrower than the front,
but
> 1/2" wider than it is now. So the adapters start to look good.
> Replacement parts are cheaper to acquire if needed. I can still
install
> off the shelf alloy shafts later on.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Scott K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:51 AM
> To: Scott Kruize
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
>
>
> Are you having the shafts and rotors redrilled or just the rotors?
If
> you're ordering new shafts, might you also need to consider the
center
> holes in the rotors (assuming they center on the end of the shaft
> instead of the lugs)?
>
> I agree the low pinion isn't that much of an issue because most of
the
> time you place your front tires on the high points and the
pinion/shaft
> don't touch anything - even with the low pinion. I've only hit my
front
> shaft on the rocks once and that was when I took a bad line and then
> slid sideways.
>
> As for the steering, I kept the Waggy tie rod and drag link. You're
> right that the Waggy tie rod and drag link are significantly more
beefy
> than both the YJ and TJ links. And the length was correct.
>
> Note that since the Waggy tie rod is on top of the knuckle arms, I
had
> to remove my drop pitman arm and go back to my stock pitman arm. I
view
> this as a good thing. You might to do the same although you have
more
> lift than me so it's not clear.
>
> You will also have to get your pitman arm reamed out to accept the
Waggy
> drag link end as it is bigger than your stock drag link end. OR Fab
did
> mine but most fab shops can probably do this. The hole has a
conical
> shape which means you can't just use a normal drill bit to do it.
>
> Let me know if you have any other questions.
>
> -Roger
>
> Scott Kruize wrote:
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > I am picking up a Waggy 44 front end on Saturday morning. I will
have
> > the 8.8 redrilled to match the front 6 on 5.5 pattern like you
did
> > with your D44 rear end. I ultimately decided that hi pinion
wasn't a
> > big issue. Look at this pic of my TJ with the low pinion 30 and
you
> > will see why.
> >
> > I am also getting the Waggy steering so I'll just run the knuckle
over
>
> > setup. That Waggy tierod and draglink look damn beefy and should
raise
>
> > my steering up 3-4 inches compared to my ORF steering. Supposedly
the
> > length works fine with the TJs and Yjs. Which steering did you
use on
> > yours?
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:04 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > Regarding cost of switching the rear bolt pattern consider
this: Is
> > it
> > > cheaper to convert pattern or try to add disk brakes to the 35?
It's
>
> > > pretty much a wash here unless you don't mind the drum brakes.
> > > <snip>
> >
> > Horshe****! Er... I mean, agreed! ;-)
> >
> > I wasn't endorsing the Super 35 kit over the 8.8 swap. (Sorry if
it
> > came across that way.) Instead, I was merely trying to point out
a
> > possible issue that a lot of people might not think about until
long
> > after the 8.8 swap was done and it was time for a front axle swap.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> >
> >
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76222 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:49am
Subject: Re: Re: Rubicon VS H2
EEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!! square headlights!!! at least ya have something with round headlights!!!
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
----- Original Message -----
From: cowboy7575@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Rubicon VS H2
Well I havent seen the issue yet but I got a good look at an H-2 in TX on Saturday and with all those fancy running boards, didnt look like it was too trail ready to me........it might have nice clearance in the middle but none to speak of on the sides, hell my soon not to be stock ZJ looks like it has more clearance on the sides.........as to the Rubicon, I saw one at 4Wheelers in Phx yesterday and I wasnt that impressed with that either for the price, but I wouldnd buy one anyway I am perfectly satisfied with my YJ and CJ. :-)
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76223 From: Linda <minihummer@w...> <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:08am
Subject: Re: 2003 Jamboree
Why in the heck would a bunch of 4-wheelers who don't care to be a
part of organized 4-wheeling care about when the ASA4WDC Jamboree is
being held? I doubt the more than 10% of the folks in the AZVJC are
memebers of ASA4WDC member clubs or belong as individual members to
the ASA4WDC or the UFWDA -- because it costs too much. There is no
point in posting ASA4WDC business on this forum.
Linda
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
wrote:
> Brad and Board........
> I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then talked
to Sgt
> McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
>
> The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use this
year.
> They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree will have to be
Oct.
> 9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26 is Spook Rally.. I have
> requested "confirmation" of this date.
>
> Sandee
76224 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:20am
Subject: Where to buy reamers?
I need to ream the holes in my steering knuckles to accept the new 1
ton ends I got. Are these available in places like Loews or Home Depot?
Is there any specific type I need to buy?
Thanks,
Chris
76225 From: dbkcs <dbkcs@y...> <dbkcs@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:21am
Subject: Re: steering column
4x4 salvage down at 3125 W. Broadway in Phoenix. If not there is a
Jeep parts shop on Grand Ave and 31 Ave. Sorry don't remember the
name but they do have parts also.
76226 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:20am
Subject: Re: roof rack
You could make you own....;)
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From: <swaders7@yahoo.com>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:57 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] roof rack
> Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get one for
> when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
> dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
> (Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
>
> ~Wade
> '97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
>
>
>
>
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