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01-07-2004, 09:48 PM
76177-76201
76177 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 0:06pm
Subject: Re: Anyone contacted TV News for T.M. Clean-up coverage?
FYI: I have not heard anything back from Kurt - neither about
contacting the media nor about the start time (someone mentioned they
heard the start time had been changed from 9am to 8am).
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
<tomasr@a...> wrote:
> I emailed Kurt Loga of the Phoenix 4 Wheelers and asked him if the
> media has been contacted. I'll let you all konw once I hear back
> from him. If they have not contacted the media, does someone here
> want to take on that task? Anyone with connections to the media?
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>"
> <gev39@y...> wrote:
> > Just wondering if there has been any contact with the local news
> > stations to see if they will come out and give us some TV
coverage.
> > Most folks have no idea that OHVers participate in this type of
> > event, or be aware that a dumping problem even exists.
> > I think it would be awesome to show the general public our
efforts.
> > Russ
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76178 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 0:18pm
Subject: RE: Re: Saturday Cleanup
Addition.......... from Mesa take the 101 north, northwest to the I-17
connection at Deer Valley Rd. This saves approximately 20 minutes of
travel time in normal traffic. Table Mesa Rd exit is about 12 miles north
of the Carefree Hwy (Lake Pleasant) exit.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fleetwashtb <a292@a...> [mailto:a292@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:17 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup
>
>
> Go north on I-17 past New River and take the Table Mesa Road exit (if
> you get to Black Canyon City you went too far). Turn left (west)
> across I-17 then take an immediate right. Continue north just past
> the end of the pavement to the clearing on the west side of the road.
>
> Hope this helps
> Brad
>
>
>
>
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>
>
76179 From: Scott Rafferty <like2drivemycj5@y...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 0:46pm
Subject: funky camber
while standing in front of my jeep, 73' cj-5, the front tires look like they are leaning outward. (the top of the tires stick out farther than the bottom) \ / the lower ball studs were replaced about 6months ago, and there is only very slight play in the wheel when it is off the ground. probably from the wheel bearings. my theories are this, the shop that did the work did a bad/incomplete job. the spindles or axle is bent, or the absence of front fenders combined with a tweaked body makes it look worse than it is. the axle is a d-30 with 35" mtr's. the tires are not cupped at all, only worn consistant with the camber angle, the very inside edge is not as worn as the rest of the tire. is there a way to ajust this ?
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76180 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 0:45pm
Subject: RE: Re: Saturday Cleanup
CORRECTION...
Sorry....................... Table Mesa Road is about "7" miles north of
Carefree Hwy. ............... S
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:19 PM
> To: fleetwashtb <a292@a...>; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup
>
>
> Addition.......... from Mesa take the 101 north, northwest to
> the I-17 connection at Deer Valley Rd. This saves approximately
> 20 minutes of travel time in normal traffic. Table Mesa Rd exit
> is about 12 miles north of the Carefree Hwy (Lake Pleasant) exit.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fleetwashtb <a292@a...> [mailto:a292@a...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:17 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup
> >
> >
> > Go north on I-17 past New River and take the Table Mesa Road exit (if
> > you get to Black Canyon City you went too far). Turn left (west)
> > across I-17 then take an immediate right. Continue north just past
> > the end of the pavement to the clearing on the west side of the road.
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
76181 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...> <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Flare Trimming?
If you arent cutting sheet metal, then just take the flares off...
at least for one trip to even see if cutting the flares will help
you. If you are still rubbing on your fenders then you know what you
gotta do! (bigger bump stops!) -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>"
<ablockalypse@y...> wrote:
> Anybody just cut the vertical part of the stock flares on a TJ for
a
> little more clearace in lieu of a "flatfender". I don't quite have
> the ba!!s to cut the sheetmetal yet. I take that back, I don't
have
> the stones to face the wife after i do it ;) If you've done it and
> have a pic I'd appreciate it. I'd also like to hear comments if
you
> think of any drawbacks.
76182 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:07pm
Subject: FOR ALL U.S. TROOPS EVERYWHERE
FOR ALL U.S. TROOPS EVERYWHERE
Prayer wheel for our soldiers...please don't break it
Please send this on after a short prayer.
Prayer wheel for our soldiers...please don't break it
Prayer Wheel
"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they
protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they
perform for us in our time of need. I ask this in the name of Jesus, our
Lord and Savior. Amen."
Prayer Wheel: When you receive this, please stop for a moment and say a
prayer for our troops in Afghanistan, and around the world.
There is nothing attached.... This can be very powerful.... Just send this to all the
people in your address book. Do not stop the wheel, please....
Of all the gifts you could give a US Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine & others deployed in harm's way,
Prayer is the very best one.
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76183 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:44pm
Subject: [FS] 4 RS9000 RANCHO SHOCKS
Price: $200
Contact: SIMON AT 4 WHEELERS
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CALL SIMON AT 4 WHEELERS 602 273 7195 OR HOME 480 984 2329
SIMON LUKERT
76184 From: Judy RAYA <jhraya@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:00pm
Subject: Tucson BLM office and the Florence area
Ms. McFarlin,
I feel I have given you the courtesy of the time you needed to answer my questions, I feel it is now your turn to return the courtesy by answering my email. I am not going to go away as a matter of fact I am even more concerned about the TFO lack of respect for the public in general. On 1/3/02 I emailed the TFO with a general question in regards to the Federal Registry, I have yet to receive an answer? This is quite disturbing to me?
Sincerely,
Judy Raya
Your response from 12/22/02:
You are quite right in deserving a response. I have been out of the office
and will continue to be gone until January 14. The Tucson staff, however,
is using your extensive list of questions to pull together a response for
yourself and for others who have written in. So I thank you for your
questions and we will be getting back to you soon.
----- Original Message -----
From: Judy RAYA
To: Judy RAYA ; shela_mcfarlin@blm.gov
Cc: carl_roundtree@blm.gov ; elaine_zielinski@blm.gov ; francisco_mendoza@blm.gov ; james_keeler@blm.gov ; Michael_taylor@blm.gov ; bill_Gibson@blm.gov ; rebecca_watson@ios.doi.gov ; phershbe@azleg.state.az.us ; info@kyl.senate.gov ; johnmccain@mccain.senate.gov ; jim_kolbe@mail.house.gov ; earl_devaney@oig.doi.gov ; asoweb_az@blm.gov ; woinfo@blm.gov ; rodger_e_schmitt@blm.gov ; gmcnally@pr.state.az.us ; gale_norton@ios.doi.gov ; jdhayworth@mail.house.gov ; kathleen_clarke@blm.gov ; president@whitehouse.gov ; AzVJC
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:06 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Tucson BLM office and the Florence area
Ms. McFarlin,
I sent this e-mail to you a week ago, it would be a common courtesy that someone who works for "me" to reply. A request for a reply is requested.
Sincerely,
Judy Raya
----- Original Message -----
From: Judy RAYA
To: shela_mcfarlin@blm.gov
Cc: carl_roundtree@blm.gov ; elaine_zielinski@blm.gov ; francisco_mendoza@blm.gov ; james_keeler@blm.gov ; Michael_taylor@blm.gov ; bill_Gibson@blm.gov ; rebecca_watson@ios.doi.gov ; phershbe@azleg.state.az.us ; info@kyl.senate.gov ; johnmccain@mccain.senate.gov ; jim_kolbe@mail.house.gov ; earl_devaney@oig.doi.gov ; asoweb_az@blm.gov ; woinfo@blm.gov ; rodger_e_schmitt@blm.gov ; gmcnally@pr.state.az.us ; gale_norton@ios.doi.gov ; jdhayworth@mail.house.gov ; kathleen_clarke@blm.gov ; president@whitehouse.gov ; jhraya@msn.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:01 PM
Subject: Tucson BLM office and the Florence area
Ms. McFarlin,
I am sending this letter in response to the Tucson BLM office actions and the closures and proposed closures of OHV trails in Arizona in particular the Florence Junction area. I am a long time OHV enthusiast.
I would first like to address issues concerning the Tucson BLM office & the Florence area. I will be asking specific questions and would appreciate specific answers to these questions, not a generic auto-response, like the one that has been floating around.
Why does the Tucson BLM try not to work with the OHV community?
Why is the Tucson BLM office not consistent with other agencies or BLM field offices?
Why does the Tucson office not accept proposals for mitigating or amendments?
Why does the Tucson office not become active in collaborative partnerships with the user groups?
Why does the Tucson office tell us one thing and do another? Re: Francisco at the Tucson office agreed to build an obstacle at the beginning and end of Jawbreaker to enable us to limit the non-qualified vehicles from traversing this trail and therefore impact would be lessened. Jawbreaker has now been CLOSED? He also agreed to put up interpretative signs at Jawbreaker and Martinez Canyon. The only sign that went up was "closed to OHV".
Why was Overdose close? Re: Francisco once again said that they had no problem with us running Overdose that he would rather see us run Overdose that has no Riparian value then Jawbreaker which does. Once again the only sign that went up was "Closed to OHV".
Why is the BLM interested in a route inventory now if they are claiming any trail opened after 1989 is illegal and should be closed?
How does the BLM expect us to function under an RMP that is 14 years old with no future plans in sight? The OHV community has quadrupled , we need more trails and the BLM will need to include trails opened after 1989 and not close them simply because they weren't on the 89 RMP.
Why can the miners bulldoze roads as needed to prospective mining operations, but we cant run washes that are in floodzones and are maintained by MOTHERNATURE? Miners use chemicals that contaminate our washes and other water sources, but we cant drive in those washes?
Why would the BLM be seeking the closures of trails in AZ, when a route inventory funded by taxpayer dollars is still ongoing?
Was the purpose of the route inventory to trick off-roaders into revealing our trails so they could be closed?
Why do other BLM offices including Phoenix, been willing to work with the OHV crowd rather then take an adversarial role that the Tucson office seems to have?
When is the Tucson BLM planning on doing the new RMP, specifically for the Florence Junction area? Exactly what are your plans for this area?
Is the 89 RMP going to be the determining document as to whether or not a trail is legitimate? If so why is the BLM bothering to do a route inventory now?
Why does the Tucson BLM put such heavy restrictions on the Florence that it makes it almost impossible to get permits?
When will the next public meeting for the Florence area be held in Tucson?
How many enforcement agents from the Tucson office work the Florence area on a daily basis?
I know of many off-roaders that would be more then willing to work with the Tucson BLM but they seem to make it impossible. I also know that many off-roaders have a problem with showing the Tucson BLM trails only to have them taken away. I as well as you are aware that there are "Bad Apples" in every group and maybe if the Tucson BLM was more OHV friendly other responsible OHVers would not have a problem turning in the "Bad Apples" if they were assured it would not be used against all OHVer's. This is a Lose-Lose situation and should not be the basis on how decisions are made. My personal belief is and always will be is that there needs to me more visible law enforcement out on the trails, maybe this is where BLM needs to put there taxpayer resources instead of in the salaries of employees who hinder the BLM objectives.
According to the National Management Strategy for Motorized Off-Highway Vehicle use on Public Lands dated January 2001.
This document is a first step in developing a proactive approach to determine and implement better on-ground motorized off-highway vehicle management solutions designed to conserve soil, wildlife, water quality, native vegetation, air quality, heritage resources, and other resources, while providing for appropriate motorized recreational opportunities. It provides agency guidance and offers for future actions to improve motorized vehicle management.
Balancing public use and enjoyment of the public lands along with protection of important resources requires BLM to have a more organized and effective program for the management of roads and trails, and the activities that occur on them.
The BLM Director has noted that because of the advances in OHV technology and an increase in their popularity., some of the BLM's land use plans need updating and budgets and staffing levels need to be increased to meet the management challenges posed by motorized OHV use in the fast growing West.
Management Goal 1 Action 2 Pursue interagency coordination or develop multi-jurisdictional plans to ensure consistency across agency boundaries.
Volunteers Management Goal 1 Action 1 Enhance opportunities for citizen involvement in motorized OHV management issues by working directly with the public, user groups, and partnership organizations.
Two years have passed and I don’t feel that the Tucson BLM has been following any of these suggested plans, these are only a few of the many issues that could be addressed. I feel if the Tucson BLM and their superiors are unwilling to work with the user groups or follow
there own guidelines, then maybe its time for a change at the Tucson BLM.
Back in July 2002 we attended a Meeting in regards to the Ironwood National Monument I was told by signing in I would be kept in the loop and informed of what was going on, I have yet to receive one piece of mail or e-mail about this. is this how the Florence area will also be handled, I certainly hope not, its unacceptable.
Back in March we volunteered to help out the Forest Service in the Reddington Pass area, we put up fencing around a newly made area for the motorcycle and atv enthusiasts which included newly made loading ramps. We were also told they would be getting picnic pavilions and bathrooms, guess what the 4-wheelers were getting, a closed trail. Maybe if the 4-wheelers were treated with a little more respect, maybe we the responsible off-roaders and maybe even some of the "Bad Apples" would have more respect for the agencies that manage OUR lands.
Sincerely,
Concerned Citizens & OHV enthusiasts
Judy & Michael Raya
1251 W Newton Dr
Tucson, AZ 85737
jhraya@msn.com
ASA
AZVJC
ASA4WDC
Tread Lightly
Blue Ribbon Coalition
Tucson Rough Riders-Secretary
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76185 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:37pm
Subject: RE: [FS] WANTED; 5 or 10 lb air (Co2) tank w/or without regulator
I think Jason LaLiberty from http://4x4groupbuy.com has a deal working on air tanks. You might check out his site or drop him an E-Mail.
Good Luck,
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:24 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] WANTED; 5 or 10 lb air (Co2) tank w/or without regulator
Price: fair
Contact: Bernie VanBenthem
Looking for a small 5-10 lb tank to fill my tires with. I'm to cheap and impatient to buy or wait for a small compressor to do the job!
Bernie
Bernie Van Benthem
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76186 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:37pm
Subject: RE: Re: Wanted - ac compressor.
The compressors from Kilby are $200 and the Clutch is $100 on top of
that. These are good quality, high output Yorks and guaranteed, but
pricy.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [James.Towle@a...] [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:59 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Wanted - ac compressor.
LOL
At the price NAPA is quoted as having them for you are better off
going there. I thought Brad's were $199.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Fleg ." <fleigle@h...> wrote:
> Oh no, does that mean the York 210 AC compressor I had my eyes on
for OBA
> won't work?? Even though it is a self contained unit with an
internal
> oiling system?? And a warrantly to boot!! [/sarcasim]
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:26:49 EST
> From: B4141@a...
> Subject: Re: Wanted - ac compressor.
>
> In a message dated 1/21/03 9:58:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>
> A auto AC compressor won't last long at all as an onboard
> air
> compressor. It has to have a constant oil supply. In an
> operating ac .. the
> oil is supplied in vapor form, circulating with the refrigerant.
> Don't waste
> your time.... the first time you really need it, it will let
> you down.
>
> Knowingly ruining something because it has a warranty
> .... come on
> now....
>
> Brent
>
>
>
>
>
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76187 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:05pm
Subject: [FS] JEEP PROPERTY
Price: $182,000.00
Contact: 602-980-1158
PROPERTY, HOUSE, AND SHOP FOR SALE
THREE BEDROOM 2 FULL BATH TILE THRU OUT EXCEPT FOR BEDROOMS VAULTED CEILINGS, FANS IN ALL ROOMS, FIREPLACE,
A/C AND EVAP A/C IS LESS THAN TWO YEARS OLD, 2 CAR GARAGE ATTACHED TO HOUSE, CABINETS THROUGHOUT GARAGE,
HAS LOW MAINTANCE VINAL SIDING ON ALL EVES, HAS REAR PATIO THAT RUNS THE FULL LENGTH OF THE HOUSE WITH BUILT IN BARBEQUE.
30X40 SHOP ON PROPERTY,FINISHED INSIDE WITH OUTLETS AND LIGHTING. SHOP IS READY TO WORK IN 110 AND 220
HOUSE SITS ON 1.25 ACRE WITH PRIVATE WELL, ALSO HAVE 1500 GALLON STORAGE TANK. THIS IS ALSO ZONED FOR HORSE PRIVLEGES. GREEN HOUSE AT REAR OF PROPERTY. PROPERTY IS DESERT LANDSCAPED THROUGHOUT.
THE HOUSE IS 1700 SQUARE FEET
ASKING $182,000.00 OBO
ANY QUESTIONS CALL SCOTT
602-980-1158
SCOTT MCMILLAN
76188 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:17pm
Subject: Re: [FS] JEEP PROPERTY
I guess I have jeep property too and didnt even know it..... :)
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>To: AzVJC <az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] JEEP PROPERTY
>Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:05:05 (GMT)
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:05:05 (GMT)
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] JEEP PROPERTY
Price: $182,000.00
Contact: 602-980-1158
PROPERTY, HOUSE, AND SHOP FOR SALE
THREE BEDROOM 2 FULL BATH TILE THRU OUT EXCEPT FOR BEDROOMS VAULTED CEILINGS, FANS IN ALL ROOMS, FIREPLACE,
A/C AND EVAP A/C IS LESS THAN TWO YEARS OLD, 2 CAR GARAGE ATTACHED TO HOUSE, CABINETS THROUGHOUT GARAGE,
HAS LOW MAINTANCE VINAL SIDING ON ALL EVES, HAS REAR PATIO THAT RUNS THE FULL LENGTH OF THE HOUSE WITH BUILT IN BARBEQUE.
30X40 SHOP ON PROPERTY,FINISHED INSIDE WITH OUTLETS AND LIGHTING. SHOP IS READY TO WORK IN 110 AND 220
HOUSE SITS ON 1.25 ACRE WITH PRIVATE WELL, ALSO HAVE 1500 GALLON STORAGE TANK. THIS IS ALSO ZONED FOR HORSE PRIVLEGES. GREEN HOUSE AT REAR OF PROPERTY. PROPERTY IS DESERT LANDSCAPED THROUGHOUT.
THE HOUSE IS 1700 SQUARE FEET
ASKING $182,000.00 OBO
ANY QUESTIONS CALL SCOTT
602-980-1158
SCOTT MCMILLAN
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76189 From: Nasser <nasser88@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:50pm
Subject: East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
Folks,
This is just a reminder:
This coming Friday evening the 24th there is a car show that we've been
invited to attend. It is a very casual event. It is a great opportunity to
meet other club members and chat. Bring your cameras, as there are antique
autos, classics, some military vehicles, etc.
Last year we had a dozen members show up and we had a great time. The event
starts at 5:45ish until 8:00 pm or so, and you can come and go as you
please.
Come and check it out,
Nasser
Ps West Valley members are invited if you don't mind the drive.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
76190 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Roger,
My pitman arm is drilled for the ORF steering so I need to replace it. I
was thinking about using a Waggy pitman arm because it has a lot more
metal around the hole. I won't know if it needs to be dropped or not
until I get it in my garage on Saturday and take some measurements. When
I weld on the axle brackets I will have to adjust the angle of my
trackbar to run parallel to the higher steering.
I called Dutchman today. They say the 8.8 shafts cannot be redrilled
because the material around the flange is weak. A set of 31 spline alloy
shafts in 6x5.5" pattern would be $240 a pair with studs installed. So
it's an improvement in strength too. They will drill the rotors at the
same time and make sure they match up. Drilling the rotors costs $35 a
pair. They assured me that they have done this before and there is
plenty of room inside the hat of the rotor for the shaft.
Or I can get some wheel adaptors to go to 6x5.5" pattern. Cost is
$99-125 a pair depending on the source. I already have a spare set of
shafts so this might make more sense. Consider these measurements:
Stock TJ D30 and D35: 60.00"
Ford 8.8: 59.25"
Wagoneer front 44: 61.50"
Ford 8.8 with 6on5.5 adaptors 61.25"
I'm currently running 15x10's with 3.75" backspacing. If I get wheels
that have 4.5" backspacing I will move each side in 3/4" which
ultimately puts my width sidewall to sidewall up front at the same width
as I currently am. The rear will be 1/4" narrower than the front, but
1/2" wider than it is now. So the adapters start to look good.
Replacement parts are cheaper to acquire if needed. I can still install
off the shelf alloy shafts later on.
What do you think?
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:51 AM
To: Scott Kruize
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Are you having the shafts and rotors redrilled or just the rotors? If
you're ordering new shafts, might you also need to consider the center
holes in the rotors (assuming they center on the end of the shaft
instead of the lugs)?
I agree the low pinion isn't that much of an issue because most of the
time you place your front tires on the high points and the pinion/shaft
don't touch anything - even with the low pinion. I've only hit my front
shaft on the rocks once and that was when I took a bad line and then
slid sideways.
As for the steering, I kept the Waggy tie rod and drag link. You're
right that the Waggy tie rod and drag link are significantly more beefy
than both the YJ and TJ links. And the length was correct.
Note that since the Waggy tie rod is on top of the knuckle arms, I had
to remove my drop pitman arm and go back to my stock pitman arm. I view
this as a good thing. You might to do the same although you have more
lift than me so it's not clear.
You will also have to get your pitman arm reamed out to accept the Waggy
drag link end as it is bigger than your stock drag link end. OR Fab did
mine but most fab shops can probably do this. The hole has a conical
shape which means you can't just use a normal drill bit to do it.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
-Roger
Scott Kruize wrote:
> Roger,
>
> I am picking up a Waggy 44 front end on Saturday morning. I will have
> the 8.8 redrilled to match the front 6 on 5.5 pattern like you did
> with your D44 rear end. I ultimately decided that hi pinion wasn't a
> big issue. Look at this pic of my TJ with the low pinion 30 and you
> will see why.
>
> I am also getting the Waggy steering so I'll just run the knuckle over
> setup. That Waggy tierod and draglink look damn beefy and should raise
> my steering up 3-4 inches compared to my ORF steering. Supposedly the
> length works fine with the TJs and Yjs. Which steering did you use on
> yours?
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:04 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > Regarding cost of switching the rear bolt pattern consider this: Is
> it
> > cheaper to convert pattern or try to add disk brakes to the 35? It's
> > pretty much a wash here unless you don't mind the drum brakes.
> > <snip>
>
> Horshe****! Er... I mean, agreed! ;-)
>
> I wasn't endorsing the Super 35 kit over the 8.8 swap. (Sorry if it
> came across that way.) Instead, I was merely trying to point out a
> possible issue that a lot of people might not think about until long
> after the 8.8 swap was done and it was time for a front axle swap.
>
> -Roger
>
>
>
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76191 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:20pm
Subject: Jay E. Where is the D300 twin stick write up?
Did you loose the spot on the internet for the twin stick D300 write up? I
know you guys were toning down the business but, I didn't think the DIY
pages would be gone. Maybe someone here could host it for you. I have/had a
link to it on my CJ page and someone just wanted to know what happened.
--James
76192 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:49pm
Subject: Fw: Progress in Meetings and Permits
Here is a copy of the letter Sheila Mcfarlin of BLM sent to some of us.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
----- Original Message -----
From: <Shela_McFarlin@b...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: Progress in Meetings and Permits
> Several of you have asked through emails about our progress in working
with
> the OHV community on a variety of issues and I am responding on some
> meetings and permits in process.
>
> Meetings with the Arizona State Association of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs. Last
> Friday, January 17, Francisco Mendoza, Linda Marianito and myself traveled
> to Mesa for our second meeting with Brad Jones and Sandee McCullen of the
> State Association on the topic of the Jeep Jamboree 2002. We also met
> Dec. 9 with Brad and Sandee and Bob Carney.
>
> The core idea of the meetings has been to explore what went right during
> the Jeep Jamboree 2002 and what might be done better for upcoming Jamboree
> (or related events). Our post-mortem included permit processing, routes,
> fees, coordination of staff and law enforcement, use rates, and related
> topics. I think we continue to make progress in understanding each
other's
> needs from the BLM perspective and the Association goals for using the
> area. We do not agree on every topic discussed but we are continuing the
> dialogue.
>
> Our next meeting is Feb. 28 with Brad finding a suitable location. Among
> the agenda items to be discussed are: fee schedules, multi-year permits
> for the Jeep Jamboree and a possible OHV permit for the Association
members
> to utilize the Middle Gila.
>
> 2. The Middle Gila Conservation Partnership. These meetings are
> continuing to tackle important issues regarding road/route inventories,
> review of inventory data, and how these become BLM planning decisions or
> reflect the decisions made by BLM in 1989. Francisco Mendoza and Linda
> Marianito will continue to attend these meetings and tackle these issues
in
> work sessions, field trips, etc. I will attend MGCP meetings when my
> schedule permits and right now I am booked for the next meeting of Feb. 5.
>
> We anticipate that the inventory review and planning decisions will take a
> while because of the need to ensure adequate inventory, utilize public
> review, analyze specific routes, carry out environmental reviews and
> consultations, and come to decisions that will stand up to review. We
> should arrive at routes which do not have conflicts and are in compliance
> with the Phoenix Resource Management Plan. We will identify routes that
we
> simply don't know their status and others that appear to have conflicts.
> These latter may require a Plan Amendment to the RMP using the process
> identified above.
>
> 3. Meeting on January 29, 2003 with the BLM at the Arizona State Office
at
> 3 pm. I will be attending this meeting set up by Mike Taylor (BLM) and
> some of you during a recent Congressional staff phone call.
>
> 4. Special Recreation Permits (SRP). We are processing 3 permit
> applications that pertain to the Middle Gila: the Chandelle ATV permit;
AZ
> Classic Bronco Stampede 2003 and CalRoc Rock Crawling Competition. Field
> trips are completed for these permits along with most environmental
> analysis and consultation. You will see the environmental review
documents
> for these permits by email within the next week along with 50 other
> individuals who either responded to our request for scoping comments
during
> the last few weeks or are on the MGCP mailing list. We will include via
> email a Proposed Decision for each of these permits. We will be
requesting
> a very quick review so that I can make decisions around Feb. 21.
>
> In addition to those meetings, field trips and internal work sessions
> concentrate on Middle Gila concerns almost daily because we also manage
> river recreation, grazing allotments, riparian zones and threatened and
> endangered species, mining exploration and cultural resources as well as
> OHV. The TFO staff workload is heavy and we will be asking for
assistance
> during volunteer events this spring. Sandee and Brad (AZ State
Association
> of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs) are looking closely at regional possibilities and
> we appreciate this We will need some assistance with assessing and
> monitoring routes and will be providing further information via email to
> you on that in the future.
>
> You will be receiving future emails as we progress. Please send these on
> to other interested parties.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Shela A. McFarlin, Field Manager
> USDI, Bureau of Land Management
> Tucson Field Office
> 12661 E. Broadway, Tucson, AZ 85748-7208
> 520-258-7200, 7201 fax 258-7238
> Shela_McFarlin@b...
>
76193 From: Wade <swaders7@y...> <swaders7@y...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:57pm
Subject: roof rack
Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get one for
when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
(Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
~Wade
'97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
76194 From: Mike Foster <mesa@v...> <mesa@v...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:31pm
Subject: Re: roof rack
I went with the Garvin and am very pleased with it so far.Very solid
and simple to put on. If I remember right I got it from Rustys
offroad for around $499. We packed up alot and took it up to Co. for
some wheeling,very quiet also.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Wade <swaders7@y...>" <swaders7@y...>
wrote:
> Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get one
for
> when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
> dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
> (Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
>
> ~Wade
> '97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
76195 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:24pm
Subject: 2003 Jamboree
Brad and Board........
I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then talked to Sgt
McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use this year.
They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree will have to be Oct.
9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26 is Spook Rally.. I have
requested "confirmation" of this date.
Sandee
76196 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 0:40pm
Subject: Re: roof rack
I assume you have a TJ, what I did with my YJ was go to the junk yard and for $25 got the rails and crossmembers from a grand cherokee and installed it on my hard top.....now that will only work if you have a hard top
mike
76197 From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...> <highupjeep@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:45pm
Subject: Re: 2003 Jamboree
Sandee,
I remember reading that ASA4WDC Jamboree hasn't always been held at
FJ. Do you know the other places it has been held and is it possible
that it will be located some place other than FJ this year (this would
mean that the 16-19 would be possible, I suppose).
Thx,
Larry
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
wrote:
> Brad and Board........
> I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then talked
to Sgt
> McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
>
> The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use this
year.
> They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree will have to be
Oct.
> 9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26 is Spook Rally.. I have
> requested "confirmation" of this date.
>
> Sandee
76198 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 0:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Cleanup Mesa Area meet and drive ?
Anyone going from the Mesa area besides me going and do you want to meet somewhere and drive up as a group.
Mike
76199 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:53pm
Subject: Mesa Jeep-a-van to Saturday's cleanup.
Meeting at the Texaco Gas Station on the South-West corner of Gilbert Road
and Southern at 8:00am for an 8:45am arrival at Table Mesa Road.
Joe West
76200 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:43pm
Subject: RE: Re: 2003 Jamboree
Jamboree as it is held today............. up to 360 registrants has always
been held at Florence Jct. Jamboree of "old" was one day, one trail ride
with approx. 40 vehicles.................. Our by-laws call for "the month
of October" but the weekend is open. The Jamboree committee considered
other areas but we don't have much around that can accomodate 350 vehicles
and/or enough trails to cover this range of registrants. We thought of
trying Table Mesa but with PFO being in the middle of their RMP it would be
almost impossible to get them to EA all the trails between now and Oct.
Our other option is to not camp on State Trust land............... we
considered some private property at the Texaco Station at Florence Jct.
This may be what we'll end up doing......... if we can manage on private
property it will most likely stay the weekend of 16-19.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...> [mailto:highupjeep@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 2003 Jamboree
>
>
> Sandee,
> I remember reading that ASA4WDC Jamboree hasn't always been held at
> FJ. Do you know the other places it has been held and is it possible
> that it will be located some place other than FJ this year (this would
> mean that the 16-19 would be possible, I suppose).
> Thx,
> Larry
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> wrote:
> > Brad and Board........
> > I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then talked
> to Sgt
> > McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
> >
> > The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use this
> year.
> > They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree will have to be
> Oct.
> > 9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26 is Spook Rally.. I have
> > requested "confirmation" of this date.
> >
> > Sandee
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
76201 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:46pm
Subject: RE: 2003 Jamboree
CORRECTION/ADDITION
Sorry all................. if we do not camp on State Trust lands we can do
whatever weekend we chose. The Jamboree Committee was looking into some
private lands that looked like a possibility. This change of date would
only be based on usage of State Trust Lands in conjunction with the National
Guard calendar. We have confirmation of October 9-12 IF we use State Trust
Lands........... Sandee
> Subject: 2003 Jamboree
>
>
> Brad and Board........
> I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then
> talked to Sgt McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
>
> The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use
> this year. They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree
> will have to be Oct. 9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26
> is Spook Rally.. I have requested "confirmation" of this date.
>
> Sandee
76177 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 0:06pm
Subject: Re: Anyone contacted TV News for T.M. Clean-up coverage?
FYI: I have not heard anything back from Kurt - neither about
contacting the media nor about the start time (someone mentioned they
heard the start time had been changed from 9am to 8am).
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>"
<tomasr@a...> wrote:
> I emailed Kurt Loga of the Phoenix 4 Wheelers and asked him if the
> media has been contacted. I'll let you all konw once I hear back
> from him. If they have not contacted the media, does someone here
> want to take on that task? Anyone with connections to the media?
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>"
> <gev39@y...> wrote:
> > Just wondering if there has been any contact with the local news
> > stations to see if they will come out and give us some TV
coverage.
> > Most folks have no idea that OHVers participate in this type of
> > event, or be aware that a dumping problem even exists.
> > I think it would be awesome to show the general public our
efforts.
> > Russ
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76178 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 0:18pm
Subject: RE: Re: Saturday Cleanup
Addition.......... from Mesa take the 101 north, northwest to the I-17
connection at Deer Valley Rd. This saves approximately 20 minutes of
travel time in normal traffic. Table Mesa Rd exit is about 12 miles north
of the Carefree Hwy (Lake Pleasant) exit.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fleetwashtb <a292@a...> [mailto:a292@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:17 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup
>
>
> Go north on I-17 past New River and take the Table Mesa Road exit (if
> you get to Black Canyon City you went too far). Turn left (west)
> across I-17 then take an immediate right. Continue north just past
> the end of the pavement to the clearing on the west side of the road.
>
> Hope this helps
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
76179 From: Scott Rafferty <like2drivemycj5@y...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 0:46pm
Subject: funky camber
while standing in front of my jeep, 73' cj-5, the front tires look like they are leaning outward. (the top of the tires stick out farther than the bottom) \ / the lower ball studs were replaced about 6months ago, and there is only very slight play in the wheel when it is off the ground. probably from the wheel bearings. my theories are this, the shop that did the work did a bad/incomplete job. the spindles or axle is bent, or the absence of front fenders combined with a tweaked body makes it look worse than it is. the axle is a d-30 with 35" mtr's. the tires are not cupped at all, only worn consistant with the camber angle, the very inside edge is not as worn as the rest of the tire. is there a way to ajust this ?
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76180 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 0:45pm
Subject: RE: Re: Saturday Cleanup
CORRECTION...
Sorry....................... Table Mesa Road is about "7" miles north of
Carefree Hwy. ............... S
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:19 PM
> To: fleetwashtb <a292@a...>; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup
>
>
> Addition.......... from Mesa take the 101 north, northwest to
> the I-17 connection at Deer Valley Rd. This saves approximately
> 20 minutes of travel time in normal traffic. Table Mesa Rd exit
> is about 12 miles north of the Carefree Hwy (Lake Pleasant) exit.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fleetwashtb <a292@a...> [mailto:a292@a...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:17 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Saturday Cleanup
> >
> >
> > Go north on I-17 past New River and take the Table Mesa Road exit (if
> > you get to Black Canyon City you went too far). Turn left (west)
> > across I-17 then take an immediate right. Continue north just past
> > the end of the pavement to the clearing on the west side of the road.
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
76181 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...> <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Flare Trimming?
If you arent cutting sheet metal, then just take the flares off...
at least for one trip to even see if cutting the flares will help
you. If you are still rubbing on your fenders then you know what you
gotta do! (bigger bump stops!) -Rob
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>"
<ablockalypse@y...> wrote:
> Anybody just cut the vertical part of the stock flares on a TJ for
a
> little more clearace in lieu of a "flatfender". I don't quite have
> the ba!!s to cut the sheetmetal yet. I take that back, I don't
have
> the stones to face the wife after i do it ;) If you've done it and
> have a pic I'd appreciate it. I'd also like to hear comments if
you
> think of any drawbacks.
76182 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:07pm
Subject: FOR ALL U.S. TROOPS EVERYWHERE
FOR ALL U.S. TROOPS EVERYWHERE
Prayer wheel for our soldiers...please don't break it
Please send this on after a short prayer.
Prayer wheel for our soldiers...please don't break it
Prayer Wheel
"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they
protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they
perform for us in our time of need. I ask this in the name of Jesus, our
Lord and Savior. Amen."
Prayer Wheel: When you receive this, please stop for a moment and say a
prayer for our troops in Afghanistan, and around the world.
There is nothing attached.... This can be very powerful.... Just send this to all the
people in your address book. Do not stop the wheel, please....
Of all the gifts you could give a US Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine & others deployed in harm's way,
Prayer is the very best one.
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Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:44pm
Subject: [FS] 4 RS9000 RANCHO SHOCKS
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76184 From: Judy RAYA <jhraya@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:00pm
Subject: Tucson BLM office and the Florence area
Ms. McFarlin,
I feel I have given you the courtesy of the time you needed to answer my questions, I feel it is now your turn to return the courtesy by answering my email. I am not going to go away as a matter of fact I am even more concerned about the TFO lack of respect for the public in general. On 1/3/02 I emailed the TFO with a general question in regards to the Federal Registry, I have yet to receive an answer? This is quite disturbing to me?
Sincerely,
Judy Raya
Your response from 12/22/02:
You are quite right in deserving a response. I have been out of the office
and will continue to be gone until January 14. The Tucson staff, however,
is using your extensive list of questions to pull together a response for
yourself and for others who have written in. So I thank you for your
questions and we will be getting back to you soon.
----- Original Message -----
From: Judy RAYA
To: Judy RAYA ; shela_mcfarlin@blm.gov
Cc: carl_roundtree@blm.gov ; elaine_zielinski@blm.gov ; francisco_mendoza@blm.gov ; james_keeler@blm.gov ; Michael_taylor@blm.gov ; bill_Gibson@blm.gov ; rebecca_watson@ios.doi.gov ; phershbe@azleg.state.az.us ; info@kyl.senate.gov ; johnmccain@mccain.senate.gov ; jim_kolbe@mail.house.gov ; earl_devaney@oig.doi.gov ; asoweb_az@blm.gov ; woinfo@blm.gov ; rodger_e_schmitt@blm.gov ; gmcnally@pr.state.az.us ; gale_norton@ios.doi.gov ; jdhayworth@mail.house.gov ; kathleen_clarke@blm.gov ; president@whitehouse.gov ; AzVJC
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:06 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Tucson BLM office and the Florence area
Ms. McFarlin,
I sent this e-mail to you a week ago, it would be a common courtesy that someone who works for "me" to reply. A request for a reply is requested.
Sincerely,
Judy Raya
----- Original Message -----
From: Judy RAYA
To: shela_mcfarlin@blm.gov
Cc: carl_roundtree@blm.gov ; elaine_zielinski@blm.gov ; francisco_mendoza@blm.gov ; james_keeler@blm.gov ; Michael_taylor@blm.gov ; bill_Gibson@blm.gov ; rebecca_watson@ios.doi.gov ; phershbe@azleg.state.az.us ; info@kyl.senate.gov ; johnmccain@mccain.senate.gov ; jim_kolbe@mail.house.gov ; earl_devaney@oig.doi.gov ; asoweb_az@blm.gov ; woinfo@blm.gov ; rodger_e_schmitt@blm.gov ; gmcnally@pr.state.az.us ; gale_norton@ios.doi.gov ; jdhayworth@mail.house.gov ; kathleen_clarke@blm.gov ; president@whitehouse.gov ; jhraya@msn.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:01 PM
Subject: Tucson BLM office and the Florence area
Ms. McFarlin,
I am sending this letter in response to the Tucson BLM office actions and the closures and proposed closures of OHV trails in Arizona in particular the Florence Junction area. I am a long time OHV enthusiast.
I would first like to address issues concerning the Tucson BLM office & the Florence area. I will be asking specific questions and would appreciate specific answers to these questions, not a generic auto-response, like the one that has been floating around.
Why does the Tucson BLM try not to work with the OHV community?
Why is the Tucson BLM office not consistent with other agencies or BLM field offices?
Why does the Tucson office not accept proposals for mitigating or amendments?
Why does the Tucson office not become active in collaborative partnerships with the user groups?
Why does the Tucson office tell us one thing and do another? Re: Francisco at the Tucson office agreed to build an obstacle at the beginning and end of Jawbreaker to enable us to limit the non-qualified vehicles from traversing this trail and therefore impact would be lessened. Jawbreaker has now been CLOSED? He also agreed to put up interpretative signs at Jawbreaker and Martinez Canyon. The only sign that went up was "closed to OHV".
Why was Overdose close? Re: Francisco once again said that they had no problem with us running Overdose that he would rather see us run Overdose that has no Riparian value then Jawbreaker which does. Once again the only sign that went up was "Closed to OHV".
Why is the BLM interested in a route inventory now if they are claiming any trail opened after 1989 is illegal and should be closed?
How does the BLM expect us to function under an RMP that is 14 years old with no future plans in sight? The OHV community has quadrupled , we need more trails and the BLM will need to include trails opened after 1989 and not close them simply because they weren't on the 89 RMP.
Why can the miners bulldoze roads as needed to prospective mining operations, but we cant run washes that are in floodzones and are maintained by MOTHERNATURE? Miners use chemicals that contaminate our washes and other water sources, but we cant drive in those washes?
Why would the BLM be seeking the closures of trails in AZ, when a route inventory funded by taxpayer dollars is still ongoing?
Was the purpose of the route inventory to trick off-roaders into revealing our trails so they could be closed?
Why do other BLM offices including Phoenix, been willing to work with the OHV crowd rather then take an adversarial role that the Tucson office seems to have?
When is the Tucson BLM planning on doing the new RMP, specifically for the Florence Junction area? Exactly what are your plans for this area?
Is the 89 RMP going to be the determining document as to whether or not a trail is legitimate? If so why is the BLM bothering to do a route inventory now?
Why does the Tucson BLM put such heavy restrictions on the Florence that it makes it almost impossible to get permits?
When will the next public meeting for the Florence area be held in Tucson?
How many enforcement agents from the Tucson office work the Florence area on a daily basis?
I know of many off-roaders that would be more then willing to work with the Tucson BLM but they seem to make it impossible. I also know that many off-roaders have a problem with showing the Tucson BLM trails only to have them taken away. I as well as you are aware that there are "Bad Apples" in every group and maybe if the Tucson BLM was more OHV friendly other responsible OHVers would not have a problem turning in the "Bad Apples" if they were assured it would not be used against all OHVer's. This is a Lose-Lose situation and should not be the basis on how decisions are made. My personal belief is and always will be is that there needs to me more visible law enforcement out on the trails, maybe this is where BLM needs to put there taxpayer resources instead of in the salaries of employees who hinder the BLM objectives.
According to the National Management Strategy for Motorized Off-Highway Vehicle use on Public Lands dated January 2001.
This document is a first step in developing a proactive approach to determine and implement better on-ground motorized off-highway vehicle management solutions designed to conserve soil, wildlife, water quality, native vegetation, air quality, heritage resources, and other resources, while providing for appropriate motorized recreational opportunities. It provides agency guidance and offers for future actions to improve motorized vehicle management.
Balancing public use and enjoyment of the public lands along with protection of important resources requires BLM to have a more organized and effective program for the management of roads and trails, and the activities that occur on them.
The BLM Director has noted that because of the advances in OHV technology and an increase in their popularity., some of the BLM's land use plans need updating and budgets and staffing levels need to be increased to meet the management challenges posed by motorized OHV use in the fast growing West.
Management Goal 1 Action 2 Pursue interagency coordination or develop multi-jurisdictional plans to ensure consistency across agency boundaries.
Volunteers Management Goal 1 Action 1 Enhance opportunities for citizen involvement in motorized OHV management issues by working directly with the public, user groups, and partnership organizations.
Two years have passed and I don’t feel that the Tucson BLM has been following any of these suggested plans, these are only a few of the many issues that could be addressed. I feel if the Tucson BLM and their superiors are unwilling to work with the user groups or follow
there own guidelines, then maybe its time for a change at the Tucson BLM.
Back in July 2002 we attended a Meeting in regards to the Ironwood National Monument I was told by signing in I would be kept in the loop and informed of what was going on, I have yet to receive one piece of mail or e-mail about this. is this how the Florence area will also be handled, I certainly hope not, its unacceptable.
Back in March we volunteered to help out the Forest Service in the Reddington Pass area, we put up fencing around a newly made area for the motorcycle and atv enthusiasts which included newly made loading ramps. We were also told they would be getting picnic pavilions and bathrooms, guess what the 4-wheelers were getting, a closed trail. Maybe if the 4-wheelers were treated with a little more respect, maybe we the responsible off-roaders and maybe even some of the "Bad Apples" would have more respect for the agencies that manage OUR lands.
Sincerely,
Concerned Citizens & OHV enthusiasts
Judy & Michael Raya
1251 W Newton Dr
Tucson, AZ 85737
jhraya@msn.com
ASA
AZVJC
ASA4WDC
Tread Lightly
Blue Ribbon Coalition
Tucson Rough Riders-Secretary
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76185 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:37pm
Subject: RE: [FS] WANTED; 5 or 10 lb air (Co2) tank w/or without regulator
I think Jason LaLiberty from http://4x4groupbuy.com has a deal working on air tanks. You might check out his site or drop him an E-Mail.
Good Luck,
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:24 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] WANTED; 5 or 10 lb air (Co2) tank w/or without regulator
Price: fair
Contact: Bernie VanBenthem
Looking for a small 5-10 lb tank to fill my tires with. I'm to cheap and impatient to buy or wait for a small compressor to do the job!
Bernie
Bernie Van Benthem
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76186 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:37pm
Subject: RE: Re: Wanted - ac compressor.
The compressors from Kilby are $200 and the Clutch is $100 on top of
that. These are good quality, high output Yorks and guaranteed, but
pricy.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [James.Towle@a...] [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:59 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Wanted - ac compressor.
LOL
At the price NAPA is quoted as having them for you are better off
going there. I thought Brad's were $199.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Fleg ." <fleigle@h...> wrote:
> Oh no, does that mean the York 210 AC compressor I had my eyes on
for OBA
> won't work?? Even though it is a self contained unit with an
internal
> oiling system?? And a warrantly to boot!! [/sarcasim]
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:26:49 EST
> From: B4141@a...
> Subject: Re: Wanted - ac compressor.
>
> In a message dated 1/21/03 9:58:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>
> A auto AC compressor won't last long at all as an onboard
> air
> compressor. It has to have a constant oil supply. In an
> operating ac .. the
> oil is supplied in vapor form, circulating with the refrigerant.
> Don't waste
> your time.... the first time you really need it, it will let
> you down.
>
> Knowingly ruining something because it has a warranty
> .... come on
> now....
>
> Brent
>
>
>
>
>
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76187 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:05pm
Subject: [FS] JEEP PROPERTY
Price: $182,000.00
Contact: 602-980-1158
PROPERTY, HOUSE, AND SHOP FOR SALE
THREE BEDROOM 2 FULL BATH TILE THRU OUT EXCEPT FOR BEDROOMS VAULTED CEILINGS, FANS IN ALL ROOMS, FIREPLACE,
A/C AND EVAP A/C IS LESS THAN TWO YEARS OLD, 2 CAR GARAGE ATTACHED TO HOUSE, CABINETS THROUGHOUT GARAGE,
HAS LOW MAINTANCE VINAL SIDING ON ALL EVES, HAS REAR PATIO THAT RUNS THE FULL LENGTH OF THE HOUSE WITH BUILT IN BARBEQUE.
30X40 SHOP ON PROPERTY,FINISHED INSIDE WITH OUTLETS AND LIGHTING. SHOP IS READY TO WORK IN 110 AND 220
HOUSE SITS ON 1.25 ACRE WITH PRIVATE WELL, ALSO HAVE 1500 GALLON STORAGE TANK. THIS IS ALSO ZONED FOR HORSE PRIVLEGES. GREEN HOUSE AT REAR OF PROPERTY. PROPERTY IS DESERT LANDSCAPED THROUGHOUT.
THE HOUSE IS 1700 SQUARE FEET
ASKING $182,000.00 OBO
ANY QUESTIONS CALL SCOTT
602-980-1158
SCOTT MCMILLAN
76188 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:17pm
Subject: Re: [FS] JEEP PROPERTY
I guess I have jeep property too and didnt even know it..... :)
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>Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] JEEP PROPERTY
>Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:05:05 (GMT)
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:05:05 (GMT)
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] JEEP PROPERTY
Price: $182,000.00
Contact: 602-980-1158
PROPERTY, HOUSE, AND SHOP FOR SALE
THREE BEDROOM 2 FULL BATH TILE THRU OUT EXCEPT FOR BEDROOMS VAULTED CEILINGS, FANS IN ALL ROOMS, FIREPLACE,
A/C AND EVAP A/C IS LESS THAN TWO YEARS OLD, 2 CAR GARAGE ATTACHED TO HOUSE, CABINETS THROUGHOUT GARAGE,
HAS LOW MAINTANCE VINAL SIDING ON ALL EVES, HAS REAR PATIO THAT RUNS THE FULL LENGTH OF THE HOUSE WITH BUILT IN BARBEQUE.
30X40 SHOP ON PROPERTY,FINISHED INSIDE WITH OUTLETS AND LIGHTING. SHOP IS READY TO WORK IN 110 AND 220
HOUSE SITS ON 1.25 ACRE WITH PRIVATE WELL, ALSO HAVE 1500 GALLON STORAGE TANK. THIS IS ALSO ZONED FOR HORSE PRIVLEGES. GREEN HOUSE AT REAR OF PROPERTY. PROPERTY IS DESERT LANDSCAPED THROUGHOUT.
THE HOUSE IS 1700 SQUARE FEET
ASKING $182,000.00 OBO
ANY QUESTIONS CALL SCOTT
602-980-1158
SCOTT MCMILLAN
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76189 From: Nasser <nasser88@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:50pm
Subject: East Valley Jeep Show/Get-together
Folks,
This is just a reminder:
This coming Friday evening the 24th there is a car show that we've been
invited to attend. It is a very casual event. It is a great opportunity to
meet other club members and chat. Bring your cameras, as there are antique
autos, classics, some military vehicles, etc.
Last year we had a dozen members show up and we had a great time. The event
starts at 5:45ish until 8:00 pm or so, and you can come and go as you
please.
Come and check it out,
Nasser
Ps West Valley members are invited if you don't mind the drive.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
76190 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Roger,
My pitman arm is drilled for the ORF steering so I need to replace it. I
was thinking about using a Waggy pitman arm because it has a lot more
metal around the hole. I won't know if it needs to be dropped or not
until I get it in my garage on Saturday and take some measurements. When
I weld on the axle brackets I will have to adjust the angle of my
trackbar to run parallel to the higher steering.
I called Dutchman today. They say the 8.8 shafts cannot be redrilled
because the material around the flange is weak. A set of 31 spline alloy
shafts in 6x5.5" pattern would be $240 a pair with studs installed. So
it's an improvement in strength too. They will drill the rotors at the
same time and make sure they match up. Drilling the rotors costs $35 a
pair. They assured me that they have done this before and there is
plenty of room inside the hat of the rotor for the shaft.
Or I can get some wheel adaptors to go to 6x5.5" pattern. Cost is
$99-125 a pair depending on the source. I already have a spare set of
shafts so this might make more sense. Consider these measurements:
Stock TJ D30 and D35: 60.00"
Ford 8.8: 59.25"
Wagoneer front 44: 61.50"
Ford 8.8 with 6on5.5 adaptors 61.25"
I'm currently running 15x10's with 3.75" backspacing. If I get wheels
that have 4.5" backspacing I will move each side in 3/4" which
ultimately puts my width sidewall to sidewall up front at the same width
as I currently am. The rear will be 1/4" narrower than the front, but
1/2" wider than it is now. So the adapters start to look good.
Replacement parts are cheaper to acquire if needed. I can still install
off the shelf alloy shafts later on.
What do you think?
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:51 AM
To: Scott Kruize
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
Are you having the shafts and rotors redrilled or just the rotors? If
you're ordering new shafts, might you also need to consider the center
holes in the rotors (assuming they center on the end of the shaft
instead of the lugs)?
I agree the low pinion isn't that much of an issue because most of the
time you place your front tires on the high points and the pinion/shaft
don't touch anything - even with the low pinion. I've only hit my front
shaft on the rocks once and that was when I took a bad line and then
slid sideways.
As for the steering, I kept the Waggy tie rod and drag link. You're
right that the Waggy tie rod and drag link are significantly more beefy
than both the YJ and TJ links. And the length was correct.
Note that since the Waggy tie rod is on top of the knuckle arms, I had
to remove my drop pitman arm and go back to my stock pitman arm. I view
this as a good thing. You might to do the same although you have more
lift than me so it's not clear.
You will also have to get your pitman arm reamed out to accept the Waggy
drag link end as it is bigger than your stock drag link end. OR Fab did
mine but most fab shops can probably do this. The hole has a conical
shape which means you can't just use a normal drill bit to do it.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
-Roger
Scott Kruize wrote:
> Roger,
>
> I am picking up a Waggy 44 front end on Saturday morning. I will have
> the 8.8 redrilled to match the front 6 on 5.5 pattern like you did
> with your D44 rear end. I ultimately decided that hi pinion wasn't a
> big issue. Look at this pic of my TJ with the low pinion 30 and you
> will see why.
>
> I am also getting the Waggy steering so I'll just run the knuckle over
> setup. That Waggy tierod and draglink look damn beefy and should raise
> my steering up 3-4 inches compared to my ORF steering. Supposedly the
> length works fine with the TJs and Yjs. Which steering did you use on
> yours?
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:04 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: super 35, gears & locker?
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > Regarding cost of switching the rear bolt pattern consider this: Is
> it
> > cheaper to convert pattern or try to add disk brakes to the 35? It's
> > pretty much a wash here unless you don't mind the drum brakes.
> > <snip>
>
> Horshe****! Er... I mean, agreed! ;-)
>
> I wasn't endorsing the Super 35 kit over the 8.8 swap. (Sorry if it
> came across that way.) Instead, I was merely trying to point out a
> possible issue that a lot of people might not think about until long
> after the 8.8 swap was done and it was time for a front axle swap.
>
> -Roger
>
>
>
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76191 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:20pm
Subject: Jay E. Where is the D300 twin stick write up?
Did you loose the spot on the internet for the twin stick D300 write up? I
know you guys were toning down the business but, I didn't think the DIY
pages would be gone. Maybe someone here could host it for you. I have/had a
link to it on my CJ page and someone just wanted to know what happened.
--James
76192 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:49pm
Subject: Fw: Progress in Meetings and Permits
Here is a copy of the letter Sheila Mcfarlin of BLM sent to some of us.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
Member of:
AZVJC / AZ Dust Devils,
ASA4WDC, Blue Ribbon Coalition,
Tread Lightly, Friends of the Rubicon
United Four Wheel Drive Clubs
----- Original Message -----
From: <Shela_McFarlin@b...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: Progress in Meetings and Permits
> Several of you have asked through emails about our progress in working
with
> the OHV community on a variety of issues and I am responding on some
> meetings and permits in process.
>
> Meetings with the Arizona State Association of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs. Last
> Friday, January 17, Francisco Mendoza, Linda Marianito and myself traveled
> to Mesa for our second meeting with Brad Jones and Sandee McCullen of the
> State Association on the topic of the Jeep Jamboree 2002. We also met
> Dec. 9 with Brad and Sandee and Bob Carney.
>
> The core idea of the meetings has been to explore what went right during
> the Jeep Jamboree 2002 and what might be done better for upcoming Jamboree
> (or related events). Our post-mortem included permit processing, routes,
> fees, coordination of staff and law enforcement, use rates, and related
> topics. I think we continue to make progress in understanding each
other's
> needs from the BLM perspective and the Association goals for using the
> area. We do not agree on every topic discussed but we are continuing the
> dialogue.
>
> Our next meeting is Feb. 28 with Brad finding a suitable location. Among
> the agenda items to be discussed are: fee schedules, multi-year permits
> for the Jeep Jamboree and a possible OHV permit for the Association
members
> to utilize the Middle Gila.
>
> 2. The Middle Gila Conservation Partnership. These meetings are
> continuing to tackle important issues regarding road/route inventories,
> review of inventory data, and how these become BLM planning decisions or
> reflect the decisions made by BLM in 1989. Francisco Mendoza and Linda
> Marianito will continue to attend these meetings and tackle these issues
in
> work sessions, field trips, etc. I will attend MGCP meetings when my
> schedule permits and right now I am booked for the next meeting of Feb. 5.
>
> We anticipate that the inventory review and planning decisions will take a
> while because of the need to ensure adequate inventory, utilize public
> review, analyze specific routes, carry out environmental reviews and
> consultations, and come to decisions that will stand up to review. We
> should arrive at routes which do not have conflicts and are in compliance
> with the Phoenix Resource Management Plan. We will identify routes that
we
> simply don't know their status and others that appear to have conflicts.
> These latter may require a Plan Amendment to the RMP using the process
> identified above.
>
> 3. Meeting on January 29, 2003 with the BLM at the Arizona State Office
at
> 3 pm. I will be attending this meeting set up by Mike Taylor (BLM) and
> some of you during a recent Congressional staff phone call.
>
> 4. Special Recreation Permits (SRP). We are processing 3 permit
> applications that pertain to the Middle Gila: the Chandelle ATV permit;
AZ
> Classic Bronco Stampede 2003 and CalRoc Rock Crawling Competition. Field
> trips are completed for these permits along with most environmental
> analysis and consultation. You will see the environmental review
documents
> for these permits by email within the next week along with 50 other
> individuals who either responded to our request for scoping comments
during
> the last few weeks or are on the MGCP mailing list. We will include via
> email a Proposed Decision for each of these permits. We will be
requesting
> a very quick review so that I can make decisions around Feb. 21.
>
> In addition to those meetings, field trips and internal work sessions
> concentrate on Middle Gila concerns almost daily because we also manage
> river recreation, grazing allotments, riparian zones and threatened and
> endangered species, mining exploration and cultural resources as well as
> OHV. The TFO staff workload is heavy and we will be asking for
assistance
> during volunteer events this spring. Sandee and Brad (AZ State
Association
> of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs) are looking closely at regional possibilities and
> we appreciate this We will need some assistance with assessing and
> monitoring routes and will be providing further information via email to
> you on that in the future.
>
> You will be receiving future emails as we progress. Please send these on
> to other interested parties.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Shela A. McFarlin, Field Manager
> USDI, Bureau of Land Management
> Tucson Field Office
> 12661 E. Broadway, Tucson, AZ 85748-7208
> 520-258-7200, 7201 fax 258-7238
> Shela_McFarlin@b...
>
76193 From: Wade <swaders7@y...> <swaders7@y...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:57pm
Subject: roof rack
Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get one for
when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
(Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
~Wade
'97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
76194 From: Mike Foster <mesa@v...> <mesa@v...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:31pm
Subject: Re: roof rack
I went with the Garvin and am very pleased with it so far.Very solid
and simple to put on. If I remember right I got it from Rustys
offroad for around $499. We packed up alot and took it up to Co. for
some wheeling,very quiet also.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Wade <swaders7@y...>" <swaders7@y...>
wrote:
> Anyone know of some good roof racks out there? I want to get one
for
> when my wife and I go camping...we need room in the back for our
> dog. Anyone know prices for bolt on stuff opposed to custom
> (Hunter)? All advice is appreciated. Thanks
>
> ~Wade
> '97 "Not a Smurf" TJ
76195 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:24pm
Subject: 2003 Jamboree
Brad and Board........
I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then talked to Sgt
McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use this year.
They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree will have to be Oct.
9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26 is Spook Rally.. I have
requested "confirmation" of this date.
Sandee
76196 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 0:40pm
Subject: Re: roof rack
I assume you have a TJ, what I did with my YJ was go to the junk yard and for $25 got the rails and crossmembers from a grand cherokee and installed it on my hard top.....now that will only work if you have a hard top
mike
76197 From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...> <highupjeep@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:45pm
Subject: Re: 2003 Jamboree
Sandee,
I remember reading that ASA4WDC Jamboree hasn't always been held at
FJ. Do you know the other places it has been held and is it possible
that it will be located some place other than FJ this year (this would
mean that the 16-19 would be possible, I suppose).
Thx,
Larry
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
wrote:
> Brad and Board........
> I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then talked
to Sgt
> McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
>
> The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use this
year.
> They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree will have to be
Oct.
> 9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26 is Spook Rally.. I have
> requested "confirmation" of this date.
>
> Sandee
76198 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 0:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Cleanup Mesa Area meet and drive ?
Anyone going from the Mesa area besides me going and do you want to meet somewhere and drive up as a group.
Mike
76199 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:53pm
Subject: Mesa Jeep-a-van to Saturday's cleanup.
Meeting at the Texaco Gas Station on the South-West corner of Gilbert Road
and Southern at 8:00am for an 8:45am arrival at Table Mesa Road.
Joe West
76200 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:43pm
Subject: RE: Re: 2003 Jamboree
Jamboree as it is held today............. up to 360 registrants has always
been held at Florence Jct. Jamboree of "old" was one day, one trail ride
with approx. 40 vehicles.................. Our by-laws call for "the month
of October" but the weekend is open. The Jamboree committee considered
other areas but we don't have much around that can accomodate 350 vehicles
and/or enough trails to cover this range of registrants. We thought of
trying Table Mesa but with PFO being in the middle of their RMP it would be
almost impossible to get them to EA all the trails between now and Oct.
Our other option is to not camp on State Trust land............... we
considered some private property at the Texaco Station at Florence Jct.
This may be what we'll end up doing......... if we can manage on private
property it will most likely stay the weekend of 16-19.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...> [mailto:highupjeep@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 2003 Jamboree
>
>
> Sandee,
> I remember reading that ASA4WDC Jamboree hasn't always been held at
> FJ. Do you know the other places it has been held and is it possible
> that it will be located some place other than FJ this year (this would
> mean that the 16-19 would be possible, I suppose).
> Thx,
> Larry
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> wrote:
> > Brad and Board........
> > I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then talked
> to Sgt
> > McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
> >
> > The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use this
> year.
> > They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree will have to be
> Oct.
> > 9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26 is Spook Rally.. I have
> > requested "confirmation" of this date.
> >
> > Sandee
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
76201 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:46pm
Subject: RE: 2003 Jamboree
CORRECTION/ADDITION
Sorry all................. if we do not camp on State Trust lands we can do
whatever weekend we chose. The Jamboree Committee was looking into some
private lands that looked like a possibility. This change of date would
only be based on usage of State Trust Lands in conjunction with the National
Guard calendar. We have confirmation of October 9-12 IF we use State Trust
Lands........... Sandee
> Subject: 2003 Jamboree
>
>
> Brad and Board........
> I happened to see National Guard at a meeting today and then
> talked to Sgt McCallam re calendaring for the Jamboree 2003.
>
> The third weekend........ Oct. 16-19 is NOT open for our use
> this year. They have live fire scheduled. Looks like Jamboree
> will have to be Oct. 9=12 this year as the weekend of the 25-26
> is Spook Rally.. I have requested "confirmation" of this date.
>
> Sandee