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01-07-2004, 09:43 PM
75877-75901
75877 From: Dave King <daveaz@a...> <daveaz@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 8:40pm
Subject: FW: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
wrote:
> I just received a phone call from someone telling me to "Mind my own
> business." They "will do as they damned will please and it's not
my place
> to berate them for "trying" ANY trail".
>
> To whomever............ WRONG......... when you are deliberately
messing
> with "my" challenge I most certainly WILL say something. BTW: YOU
are the
> ones that will get everything CLOSED to us and most likely will
stop the
> "OHV Recreational Area" to ever become reality. The BLM are
adamant against
> "making by-passes".............. whatever their reason.......
right or
> wrong.......... THEY will have the final say. I'm sorry you feel
you do
> not have enough "challenge" on the trails you do not have to wreak
to do.
> If this continues none of us will have any "challenge"...........
we will
> have the graded trails at best.
>
> Also......... my apologies for the "error" in the second to last
> paragraph.......... should read: "Please don't take the next step
UNTIL
> you're ready or capable". ..... Sometimes my mind works faster
than my
> typing and my mind changes but the typewriter does not. Sandee
"you go Girl"!!!
those guys should stick some 235's on thier rig/junk and try the 2.0
trails....then they would have fun.....
Dave
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75878 From: steven.campbell <steven.campbell@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 8:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Sandee, it's a shame that we have to fight idiots like these. It seems
pretty cowardly to leave a message and not even give a name and phone
number. I spend time on almost every trip picking up someone else's trash or
rehabilitating the trail and it irks me when thoughtless people (yes, I am
being kind here) take it upon themselves to damage trails. They are working
against the sport and don't even seem to care.
Steven Campbell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
To: "AZVJC" <azvjc@a...>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 7:51 PM
Subject: FW: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
> I just received a phone call from someone telling me to "Mind my own
> business." They "will do as they damned will please and it's not my place
> to berate them for "trying" ANY trail".
>
> To whomever............ WRONG......... when you are deliberately messing
> with "my" challenge I most certainly WILL say something. BTW: YOU are
the
> ones that will get everything CLOSED to us and most likely will stop the
> "OHV Recreational Area" to ever become reality. The BLM are adamant
against
> "making by-passes".............. whatever their reason....... right or
> wrong.......... THEY will have the final say. I'm sorry you feel you do
> not have enough "challenge" on the trails you do not have to wreak to do.
> If this continues none of us will have any "challenge"........... we will
> have the graded trails at best.
>
> Also......... my apologies for the "error" in the second to last
> paragraph.......... should read: "Please don't take the next step UNTIL
> you're ready or capable". ..... Sometimes my mind works faster than my
> typing and my mind changes but the typewriter does not. Sandee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 7:21 PM
> To: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> OK guys........
>
> Gary was correct......... there ARE "BIG" boulders in the middle of the
> last waterfall of Bad Medicine. I don't think anything was "blasted" and
I
> truly do not think either the miner or BLM did this. Actually I KNOW BLM
> did not........ if the miner did, quite frankly, I'd be surprised. IMO I
> think some "wannabe" 4-wheeler was out there that was not capable of
making
> it up this waterfall and intended to "pry" some MORE rocks down from the
> side to fill in some more and ended up with a very LARGE surprise. (BTW:
as
> of a couple of months ago this trek had been filled in and groomed so
> throughly it was nearly a paved highway) Our group of 5 simply drove up it
> so WHY this was necessary is beyond me.
>
> Todd McCullen and a group met us on our way out today and they just called
> and said they managed to MOVE the rocks down the sluice a bit further. It
> is now passable but definitely not with a basic, locked vehicle. It will
> take a vehicle with an extreme suspension and most likely one that does
not
> care about the vehicle body............. it will feel some pain.
>
> Sorry for the attitude all.................... but this BS of stacking
> rocks and GROOMING trails because they're too tough truly p*#*es me off.
If
> a trail cannot be done with using a "FEW" rocks to help through a tough
> spot........(that you then UNSTACK) YOU DO NOT BELONG THERE. Florence
> Junction has sooooooooooooooo many trails of all ratings it is truly
beyond
> me why it's necessary to ruin every hard core trail for those that CAN
meet
> the challenge. I am NOT pointing fingers and truly have no idea WHO did
> this but if whoever did it gets this mail I hope you will
> listen............. the extreme vehicles are losing their "challenge"
> because too many are messing with these trails. "Please don't take the
next
> step WHEN you're ready or capable".
>
> My $.02 but we did confirm it was definitely Bad Medicine........... BTW:
> I believe we also found a way in that will allow us to bypass the Herring
> Mine thusly the miner cannot stop us........... I'll post more on this
> later.
>
> Thanks to Joe Kearney for tagging along and thanks to Todd and Troy for
> "moving the boulders".
>
> Sandee
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
> > [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:03 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
> >
> >
> > Sandee,
> >
> > That sounds like it. There were no real obstacles above this fall in
> > the wash. I know I was out by Herring Mine a while ago and did not
> > get a "warm" reception, so I would not be suprised if it was "a"
> > miner. I had never seen this area before yesterday, but the guy I
> > was with said the boulders in the fall are new and they are not the
> > same make-up as the rest of rocks that make the fall. Plus, as I
> > mentioned, you can still see the dirt where the boulders had been.
> >
> > I say this fall looks impassable to me, but if you took out
> > the "fresh" boulders it would still look impassable to me. LOL I'll
> > be glad when someone who knows the trail goes out and takes a look.
> > I'm glad we (Sandee) figured out which trail it was.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > Gary,
> > > From the location noted on your map this is the waterfall at the
> > top of Bad
> > > Medicine. There have been BIG boulders that fell in from the sides
> > years
> > > ago but we've been doing this trail for a long time. There has
> > been a lot
> > > of stacking and I did notice "pry marks" along the sides whereas
> > someone
> > > pulled smaller rock down to "fill in" the valley/hole. This
> > happened about
> > > a year ago. This portion of the trail is on BLM land. Where we
> > ran into
> > > problems with Jamboree is the owner of the Herring mine refused to
> > allow us
> > > across his property and we had to have "written permission" to do
> > so for
> > > Jamboree. This guy is not OHV friendly. A couple of times last
> > spring he
> > > met several groups of 4-wheelers with a shotgun in his
> > arms.............
> > > "cannot trespass on my property".
> > >
> > > If there has in fact been "blasting" it may well be from the miner
> > and no,
> > > he cannot do this. BLM did not and most likely, would not blast
> > any trail.
> > > (although don't know what this damned Tucson office might do) As
> > far as BLM
> > > is concerned this is a legal trail and they have no problem with us
> > running
> > > it with the exception of the "private" lands. I haven't been out
> > there
> > > lately but I believe there is another small road/trail that leads
> > down into
> > > the wash just past the mine site that should be a by-pass for us.
> > Just have
> > > to get out there and check.
> > >
> > > I'll try and get out there this weekend and see what's up. Sandee
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gary Pugsley [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:11 PM
> > > > To: rv6a@m...
> > > > Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Attached is a map that I did showing some of the landmarks and
> > > > the area in
> > > > question. The track is where we went on the quads, we then
> > > > walked through a
> > > > rock field to get to the fall.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps a bit,
> > > >
> > > > >From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
> > > > >To: "Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>" <gary_pugsley@h...>
> > > > >CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I plugged the lats and longs in to Terraserver and here is the
> > map it
> > > > >generated. Look familiar to anyone? It doesn't to me.
> > > > >
> > > > >http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?Lon=-
> > > > >111.181666666667&Lat=33.1833333333333&w=1&ref=G%7C-
> > > > >111.181666666667,33.1833333333333
> > > > >
> > > > >Chris
> > > > >
> > > > >On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Gary_Pugsley
> > > > ><gary_pugsley@h...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer"
> > (76
> > > > >>years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out
> > there).
> > > > >>
> > > > >>He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
> > > > >>Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed
> > to let
> > > > >>it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the
> > trail, the
> > > > >>boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said
> > he
> > > > >>was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed
> > that
> > > > >>BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might
> > have
> > > > >>an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but
> > someone
> > > > >>did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the
> > boulders
> > > > >>fell from.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that
> > it
> > > > >>was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock
> > jeep
> > > > >>don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I
> > did
> > > > >>have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did
> > not
> > > > >>get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter)
> > boulders
> > > > >>and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
> > > > >>basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were
> > above
> > > > >>the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> > > > >>ground) just upstream from it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone
> > somewhere
> > > > >>has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't
> > want
> > > > >>someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find
> > this and
> > > > >>ruin their day.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Gary
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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75879 From: Shawn Passmore <smpassmore@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 9:27pm
Subject: Re: Calling all welding gurus....
John,
Post a run, when it's convenient for you. I would love to learn a few tricks from the master!!! I would even buy a couple xlarge pizza's.
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com
To: cj8rockcrawler@cox.net ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Kyle and club,
A bout a year ago I did a small "clinic" at my shop. If there is enough intrest, I'd be up for it again. I had fun last time. Pizza and melt some some steel?
John K
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75880 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 9:26pm
Subject: RE: Grand Tetons
Have you seen the Teton's? I was there this summer... I don't think anyone or anything is driving to the top of those 14k foot pinacles of rock.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Rollie kent [mailto:jeeprkl@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:25 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; jeep@yahoogroups.com; jeeplist@egroups.com; yjwrangler@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Grand Tetons
Anyone found a jeep trail to the top of the Tetons?
Where can I get a map?
How would I get in touch with a local jeep club?
THANKS
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75881 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 9:31pm
Subject: Re: Grand Tetons
Now there's a challenge if I ever heard one! :o)
I can see the trip posting now . . . . . . .trail rating: 11.5+
hahahahahaha
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
Steve Meyer wrote:
Have you seen the Teton's? I was there this summer... I don't think anyone or anything is driving to the top of those 14k foot pinacles of rock.--Steve
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From: Rollie kent [mailto:jeeprkl@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:25 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; jeep@yahoogroups.com; jeeplist@egroups.com; yjwrangler@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Grand Tetons
Anyone found a jeep trail to the top of the Tetons?Where can I get a map? How would I get in touch with a local jeep club?THANKS
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75882 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 10:34pm
Subject: OT; testing 123
testing 123
Ralph
75883 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 10:55pm
Subject: RE: Calling all welding gurus....
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Yeah... you need to bring your own supplies... 4 batteries, 5 sets of jumper cables, and a couple coat hangers. The rest of us who don't burn holes can opt. to use the machine :)
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Hey! Mind if I come burn some holes too?
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:05 PM
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Count me in! Gateway CC isn't offering welding classes any more, which I was counting on taking. I'm ready! Tell me when and where!
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:02 AM
To: cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Kyle and club,
A bout a year ago I did a small "clinic" at my shop. If there is enough intrest, I'd be up for it again. I had fun last time. Pizza and melt some some steel?
John K
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75884 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 11:39pm
Subject: RE: Calling all welding gurus....
do what 'cha gotta do to get home right? that would actually be a good thing for all hard core wheelers to do. although ppl dont bring 4 spare batteries on the trail with them, if there are 5 or 6 rigs on the trail, and 1 BIG break, with no welder... it may be your only ticked home ;o)
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:56 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Yeah... you need to bring your own supplies... 4 batteries, 5 sets of jumper cables, and a couple coat hangers. The rest of us who don't burn holes can opt. to use the machine :)
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Hey! Mind if I come burn some holes too?
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:05 PM
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Count me in! Gateway CC isn't offering welding classes any more, which I was counting on taking. I'm ready! Tell me when and where!
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:02 AM
To: cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Kyle and club,
A bout a year ago I did a small "clinic" at my shop. If there is enough intrest, I'd be up for it again. I had fun last time. Pizza and melt some some steel?
John K
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75885 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 11:55pm
Subject: RE: Calling all welding gurus....
BTW, It only takes 2 batteries to run circles around the 220V Lincoln 155 wirefeed I used to use. 24V pure DC is really the sh*t. With 36V the Ready Welder I can weld up to 1/2" thick plate. Try that with your 220V machine. I already used it to weld up my friend Chris B's Ford 8.8 brackets. I was really impressed.
Now I always take it on the trail. Most of my buddies run Optima yellowtops. Combine mine with one of theirs and I'm set.
:D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:39 AM
To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
do what 'cha gotta do to get home right? that would actually be a good thing for all hard core wheelers to do. although ppl dont bring 4 spare batteries on the trail with them, if there are 5 or 6 rigs on the trail, and 1 BIG break, with no welder... it may be your only ticked home ;o)
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:56 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Yeah... you need to bring your own supplies... 4 batteries, 5 sets of jumper cables, and a couple coat hangers. The rest of us who don't burn holes can opt. to use the machine :)
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Hey! Mind if I come burn some holes too?
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:05 PM
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Count me in! Gateway CC isn't offering welding classes any more, which I was counting on taking. I'm ready! Tell me when and where!
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:02 AM
To: cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Kyle and club,
A bout a year ago I did a small "clinic" at my shop. If there is enough intrest, I'd be up for it again. I had fun last time. Pizza and melt some some steel?
John K
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75886 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 6:10am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Ajax (Upper) - Saturday, January 18, 2003
Hello All,
steve sample lead a trail run Saturday, January 18, 2003 across Ajax (Upper)
great weather
ran both lower and upper. 5 is a nice size group for upper for sure- wouldn't want many more. mr body damage made a visit to all jeeps. some water in upper made traction in the falls a little scarce. no major breakage and used strap, highlift and winch only once each.
rock on
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75887 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:11am
Subject: [FS] Wanted
Price: ???????
Contact: Dean 480-390-5176
Dose any one have a 1 inch motormout they dont need??? for a TJ
Thank you Dean
Dean Radak
75888 From: Neal Han**** <gotrox@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:24am
Subject: Re:Calling all welding gurus
Yeah John, count me in too. I love to learn how you bootyfab sh?t together!!
Let me know if you need any help.
Neal Han****
75889 From: Stu Olson <stu@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:27am
Subject: RE: Calling all welding gurus....
SAFETY TIP:
Remember, when disconnecting your batteries (so Scott can weld your rig back together), ALWAYS disconnect the negative terminal first and reconnect it last.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:55 AM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
BTW, It only takes 2 batteries to run circles around the 220V Lincoln 155 wirefeed I used to use. 24V pure DC is really the sh*t. With 36V the Ready Welder I can weld up to 1/2" thick plate. Try that with your 220V machine. I already used it to weld up my friend Chris B's Ford 8.8 brackets. I was really impressed.
Now I always take it on the trail. Most of my buddies run Optima yellowtops. Combine mine with one of theirs and I'm set.
:D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:39 AM
To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
do what 'cha gotta do to get home right? that would actually be a good thing for all hard core wheelers to do. although ppl dont bring 4 spare batteries on the trail with them, if there are 5 or 6 rigs on the trail, and 1 BIG break, with no welder... it may be your only ticked home ;o)
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:56 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Yeah... you need to bring your own supplies... 4 batteries, 5 sets of jumper cables, and a couple coat hangers. The rest of us who don't burn holes can opt. to use the machine :)
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Hey! Mind if I come burn some holes too?
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:05 PM
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Count me in! Gateway CC isn't offering welding classes any more, which I was counting on taking. I'm ready! Tell me when and where!
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:02 AM
To: cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Kyle and club,
A bout a year ago I did a small "clinic" at my shop. If there is enough intrest, I'd be up for it again. I had fun last time. Pizza and melt some some steel?
John K
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75890 From: Gary R. Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:37am
Subject: Re: Winch question
Felix:
If you go for the hydraulic you might want to include a few mods. Definately add a oil cooler to the power steering/winch hoses and there are mods you can do to the valve body in the power steering pump toincrease pump pressure (not too much now!) and volume at low speeds. These two items alone will increase your satisfaction with your winch.
BTW, I have the 10,500 MieMarker on the CAMO COW.
Gary Holmes
Felix Santi wrote:
I'll be ordering a winch next week for the TJ, seems all this mud (blah) likes to suck me in. So far I'm leaning for the Milemarker 10k hydraulic winch. Most guys here run the electric (Warn/Ramsey) winches on their rigs. I just notice alot of down time during cooling cycles on long pulls. The three Jeeps that run the hydraulics just crank in the cable all day long. I know the old "if it ain't running, you ain't winching" line but..even if you are, the full pull will drain that battery out fast.
I remember few years back the winch debate on here and was asking for any input.
Right now the TJ is used on weekends on rut.occasional rock but alot of mud packed trails. Sometimes those anchor points are few and far apart.
Thanks and happy trails
Felix
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75891 From: Gary R. Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:43am
Subject: Re: Calling all welding gurus....
I carry welding rod and extra jumper cables in the Camo Cow's emergency boxes. You just never know.
Gary Holmes
Nick Gasmena wrote:
do what 'cha gotta do to get home right? that would actually be a good thing for all hard core wheelers to do. although ppl dont bring 4 spare batteries on the trail with them, if there are 5 or 6 rigs on the trail, and 1 BIG break, with no welder... it may be your only ticked home ;o)
Nick Gasmena
75892 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:55am
Subject: Re: Re:Calling all welding gurus
Hunter knows how to weld??
Hey, you think he could teach me?
I wanna go too!
Bill Mish
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Han****
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:24 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re:Calling all welding gurus
Yeah John, count me in too. I love to learn how you bootyfab sh?t together!!
Let me know if you need any help.
Neal Han****
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75893 From: Kristi Weiss <kristiluv33@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:56am
Subject: lift questions
Anyone have some input on Skyjackers 6 monolinear-leaf kit. We are trying to decide to go with it, or a spring over, or Procomp-coil on the YJ and the total cost either route w/a SYE will be the same. So if anyone out there has any recommendation or pros & con, we would be very appreciative. We drive 3.5+ trails and use it for long highway trips as well
Thnx,
Jason/Kristi
75894 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:04am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, April 26, 2003
Hello All,
Joe West is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, April 26, 2003.
When: April 26th, 2003 at 9:00am
Where: My Home
Rating: None
Length: 6 hours
CB Channel:
I will continue to schedule kill switch technical workshops every few months until everyone who wants to have an anti-theft kill switch installed has one. I will then schedule them once a year or so. I still have people contacting me who want to install a kill switch so I have scheduled this third workshop for April 26th at 9:00am.
This is kill switch technical workshop number 3. The purpose of this workshop is threefold:
1. To keep your rig from being a theft statistic.
2. To show you how easy it is to install a kill switch.
3. To spend some fun time just hanging out with Jeepers.
I have picked a date for the third kill-switch workshop a few months out to enable people to sign up over a longer period of time. I will update the information in this run as necessary, but for the most part all of the information you will need is here. The limit for the number of rigs we can fit in my yard and cul-de-sac is 30 so this will be the maximum number of people who can sign up. Please note that YOU will be doing the work in this workshop and I will be guiding, assisting, teaching, and testing your installs (and fixing any problems which may occur).
All short wheel base Jeeps such as Wranglers and CJs, Willys, etc can choose either a kill switch OR a combination hoodlock and kill switch. Since short wheel base Jeeps do not come from the factory with a hood lock, I would recommend people install the combination hood lock kill switch.
All long wheelbase Jeeps such as Grand Cherokees, Cherokees, Wagoneers and other vehicles that already have an INSIDE hood release will only need to purchase a kill switch.
The price for the HoodLock/Kill Switch is $43 and includes everything needed to install the kit.
The price for the kill switch alone is $15, and includes everything you will need to install the switch.
Please note: I am NOT making any money on the kill switches and hood locks... the charge just covers the cost of the hardware with a couple of dollars extra thrown in to cover supplies. I do this workshop for fun and to help people out... not to make money.
Unfortunately, because of problems I had with purchasing hoodlock/killswitches for people who didn't show and didn't pay (leaving me stuck with the hardware), it will be necessary for people to pay in advance. To pay for your kill switch, sign up for this run and then send a check for the appropriate amount to my home address shown below. In the memo area on your check, please put kill switch. No matter how early you send out your payment, I will not cash the check until I actually purchase the kill switch and or hood lock.
The kill switch type will be determined by the year, make, and model of the Jeep being fitted with the switch. For those members with Wranglers/CJs and other SWB Jeeps with no hood locks, I will encourage a group buy of a hood lock kill switch combination. Once I determine how many people sign up and what kind of vehicles they have, I will put together a list of required materials and purchase them for everyone. Individual members can choose what kind of kill switch they want or I will determine it for them based on vehicle type if they have no preference. I will provide all tools and will purchase bulk materials (wires, switches, solder, connectors, electrical tape, zip ties, etc) which everyone will split the cost of. If you are interested, please sign up.
VERY IMPORTANT:
All Participants in the clinic MUST give me the following information:
1. Year and model of vehicle on which we will be installing the kill switch
2. Do you have a FACTORY service manual OR a service manual with wiring schematics for your vehicle?
3. Which of the following tools can you bring: drill, drill bits, wire cutters, metric and/or standard socket set, wire strippers, wire crimpers, nylon ties, electrical tape, soldering iron/solder, long extension cords, multi-outlet adaptors/short extension cords, volt-ohm meters or DVM, blowdryer (for heat-shrink tubing).
VERY VERY IMPORTANT:
The clinic will be held at my home in Mesa Arizona on Saturday morning, April 26th starting at (for now, this may change) 9:00AM. I believe that you can plan on spending a good 6 hours at my home, and hopefully, if everything goes well we will finish around noon on Saturday.
My home address is:
649 S. 30th Circle, Mesa, Arizona 85204.
My home phone is:
(480) 325-9419
My cell phone is:
(602) 616-0785
You can obtain very good directions from Yahoo maps... but a brief set of directions are as follows:
Take 60 headed East and get off on Gilbert Road.
Head North on Gilbert Road (Left) to Broadway Road.
Head East on Broadway (right) to 30th street (30th street is the FIRST residential street you can make a right on just past the light at Lindsay... do not turn into the small community just east of Walgreens.
Head South (right) on 30th Street.
30th Street dead ends in my Cul-De-Sac and my home is the one with all the palm trees in the yard.
PLEASE PLEASE park along 30th street and WALK to my home. The reason that I am asking this is because I want to group like vehicles together to simplify installations. After everyone parks along 30th street, I will have a short meeting on my front porch and then I will ask all YJ owners to go get their vehicles and we will place them in one location in my yard. I will then ask all TJ owners to go get their vehicles and will park them in another location... and so on until all vehicle types are grouped together in my yard or cul-de-sac.
After everyone is grouped together, I will walk everyone through the steps of installing kill switches... and we will work together as a team to get them installed. To avoid having any electrical problems, you will be required to disconnect the positive lead on your battery BEFORE we do any work on your vehicle.
Please plan on bringing a cooler with drinks, cups and/or snacks if you will need them.
I will post this entire post to the "trip" on Azvjc.org if people need to reference it at a later date.
If you have suggestions and you see something I have forgotten, please let me know.
And last but not least, if you would like to come hang out and HELP or just watch and learn... I'm sure we could use all the help we can get. Everyone interested is welcome to show up.
If you have any questions, please contact me via email at:
arizonajeep@cox.net
Kind Regards,
Joe West
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75895 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:04am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, April 26, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Joe West is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, April 26, 2003.
When: April 26th, 2003 at 9:00am
Where: My Home
Rating: None
Length: 6 hours
CB Channel:
I will continue to schedule kill switch technical workshops every few months until everyone who wants to have an anti-theft kill switch installed has one. I will then schedule them once a year or so. I still have people contacting me who want to install a kill switch so I have scheduled this third workshop for April 26th at 9:00am.
This is kill switch technical workshop number 3. The purpose of this workshop is threefold:
1. To keep your rig from being a theft statistic.
2. To show you how easy it is to install a kill switch.
3. To spend some fun time just hanging out with Jeepers.
I have picked a date for the third kill-switch workshop a few months out to enable people to sign up over a longer period of time. I will update the information in this run as necessary, but for the most part all of the information you will need is here. The limit for the number of rigs we can fit in my yard and cul-de-sac is 30 so this will be the maximum number of people who can sign up. Please note that YOU will be doing the work in this workshop and I will be guiding, assisting, teaching, and testing your installs (and fixing any problems which may occur).
All short wheel base Jeeps such as Wranglers and CJs, Willys, etc can choose either a kill switch OR a combination hoodlock and kill switch. Since short wheel base Jeeps do not come from the factory with a hood lock, I would recommend people install the combination hood lock kill switch.
All long wheelbase Jeeps such as Grand Cherokees, Cherokees, Wagoneers and other vehicles that already have an INSIDE hood release will only need to purchase a kill switch.
The price for the HoodLock/Kill Switch is $43 and includes everything needed to install the kit.
The price for the kill switch alone is $15, and includes everything you will need to install the switch.
Please note: I am NOT making any money on the kill switches and hood locks... the charge just covers the cost of the hardware with a couple of dollars extra thrown in to cover supplies. I do this workshop for fun and to help people out... not to make money.
Unfortunately, because of problems I had with purchasing hoodlock/killswitches for people who didn't show and didn't pay (leaving me stuck with the hardware), it will be necessary for people to pay in advance. To pay for your kill switch, sign up for this run and then send a check for the appropriate amount to my home address shown below. In the memo area on your check, please put kill switch. No matter how early you send out your payment, I will not cash the check until I actually purchase the kill switch and or hood lock.
The kill switch type will be determined by the year, make, and model of the Jeep being fitted with the switch. For those members with Wranglers/CJs and other SWB Jeeps with no hood locks, I will encourage a group buy of a hood lock kill switch combination. Once I determine how many people sign up and what kind of vehicles they have, I will put together a list of required materials and purchase them for everyone. Individual members can choose what kind of kill switch they want or I will determine it for them based on vehicle type if they have no preference. I will provide all tools and will purchase bulk materials (wires, switches, solder, connectors, electrical tape, zip ties, etc) which everyone will split the cost of. If you are interested, please sign up.
VERY IMPORTANT:
All Participants in the clinic MUST give me the following information:
1. Year and model of vehicle on which we will be installing the kill switch
2. Do you have a FACTORY service manual OR a service manual with wiring schematics for your vehicle?
3. Which of the following tools can you bring: drill, drill bits, wire cutters, metric and/or standard socket set, wire strippers, wire crimpers, nylon ties, electrical tape, soldering iron/solder, long extension cords, multi-outlet adaptors/short extension cords, volt-ohm meters or DVM, blowdryer (for heat-shrink tubing).
VERY VERY IMPORTANT:
The clinic will be held at my home in Mesa Arizona on Saturday morning, April 26th starting at (for now, this may change) 9:00AM. I believe that you can plan on spending a good 6 hours at my home, and hopefully, if everything goes well we will finish around noon on Saturday.
My home address is:
649 S. 30th Circle, Mesa, Arizona 85204.
My home phone is:
(480) 325-9419
My cell phone is:
(602) 616-0785
You can obtain very good directions from Yahoo maps... but a brief set of directions are as follows:
Take 60 headed East and get off on Gilbert Road.
Head North on Gilbert Road (Left) to Broadway Road.
Head East on Broadway (right) to 30th street (30th street is the FIRST residential street you can make a right on just past the light at Lindsay... do not turn into the small community just east of Walgreens.
Head South (right) on 30th Street.
30th Street dead ends in my Cul-De-Sac and my home is the one with all the palm trees in the yard.
PLEASE PLEASE park along 30th street and WALK to my home. The reason that I am asking this is because I want to group like vehicles together to simplify installations. After everyone parks along 30th street, I will have a short meeting on my front porch and then I will ask all YJ owners to go get their vehicles and we will place them in one location in my yard. I will then ask all TJ owners to go get their vehicles and will park them in another location... and so on until all vehicle types are grouped together in my yard or cul-de-sac.
After everyone is grouped together, I will walk everyone through the steps of installing kill switches... and we will work together as a team to get them installed. To avoid having any electrical problems, you will be required to disconnect the positive lead on your battery BEFORE we do any work on your vehicle.
Please plan on bringing a cooler with drinks, cups and/or snacks if you will need them.
I will post this entire post to the "trip" on Azvjc.org if people need to reference it at a later date.
If you have suggestions and you see something I have forgotten, please let me know.
And last but not least, if you would like to come hang out and HELP or just watch and learn... I'm sure we could use all the help we can get. Everyone interested is welcome to show up.
If you have any questions, please contact me via email at:
arizonajeep@cox.net
Kind Regards,
Joe West
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75896 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:05am
Subject: [TR] Technical Workshop - Saturday, April 26, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Joe West is leading a Technical Workshop trail run on Saturday, April 26, 2003.
When: April 26th, 2003 at 9:00am
Where: My Home
Rating: 2.0-
Length: 6 hours
CB Channel:
I will continue to schedule kill switch technical workshops every few months until everyone who wants to have an anti-theft kill switch installed has one. I will then schedule them once a year or so. I still have people contacting me who want to install a kill switch so I have scheduled this third workshop for April 26th at 9:00am.
This is kill switch technical workshop number 3. The purpose of this workshop is threefold:
1. To keep your rig from being a theft statistic.
2. To show you how easy it is to install a kill switch.
3. To spend some fun time just hanging out with Jeepers.
I have picked a date for the third kill-switch workshop a few months out to enable people to sign up over a longer period of time. I will update the information in this run as necessary, but for the most part all of the information you will need is here. The limit for the number of rigs we can fit in my yard and cul-de-sac is 30 so this will be the maximum number of people who can sign up. Please note that YOU will be doing the work in this workshop and I will be guiding, assisting, teaching, and testing your installs (and fixing any problems which may occur).
All short wheel base Jeeps such as Wranglers and CJs, Willys, etc can choose either a kill switch OR a combination hoodlock and kill switch. Since short wheel base Jeeps do not come from the factory with a hood lock, I would recommend people install the combination hood lock kill switch.
All long wheelbase Jeeps such as Grand Cherokees, Cherokees, Wagoneers and other vehicles that already have an INSIDE hood release will only need to purchase a kill switch.
The price for the HoodLock/Kill Switch is $43 and includes everything needed to install the kit.
The price for the kill switch alone is $15, and includes everything you will need to install the switch.
Please note: I am NOT making any money on the kill switches and hood locks... the charge just covers the cost of the hardware with a couple of dollars extra thrown in to cover supplies. I do this workshop for fun and to help people out... not to make money.
Unfortunately, because of problems I had with purchasing hoodlock/killswitches for people who didn't show and didn't pay (leaving me stuck with the hardware), it will be necessary for people to pay in advance. To pay for your kill switch, sign up for this run and then send a check for the appropriate amount to my home address shown below. In the memo area on your check, please put kill switch. No matter how early you send out your payment, I will not cash the check until I actually purchase the kill switch and or hood lock.
The kill switch type will be determined by the year, make, and model of the Jeep being fitted with the switch. For those members with Wranglers/CJs and other SWB Jeeps with no hood locks, I will encourage a group buy of a hood lock kill switch combination. Once I determine how many people sign up and what kind of vehicles they have, I will put together a list of required materials and purchase them for everyone. Individual members can choose what kind of kill switch they want or I will determine it for them based on vehicle type if they have no preference. I will provide all tools and will purchase bulk materials (wires, switches, solder, connectors, electrical tape, zip ties, etc) which everyone will split the cost of. If you are interested, please sign up.
VERY IMPORTANT:
All Participants in the clinic MUST give me the following information:
1. Year and model of vehicle on which we will be installing the kill switch
2. Do you have a FACTORY service manual OR a service manual with wiring schematics for your vehicle?
3. Which of the following tools can you bring: drill, drill bits, wire cutters, metric and/or standard socket set, wire strippers, wire crimpers, nylon ties, electrical tape, soldering iron/solder, long extension cords, multi-outlet adaptors/short extension cords, volt-ohm meters or DVM, blowdryer (for heat-shrink tubing).
VERY VERY IMPORTANT:
The clinic will be held at my home in Mesa Arizona on Saturday morning, April 26th starting at (for now, this may change) 9:00AM. I believe that you can plan on spending a good 6 hours at my home, and hopefully, if everything goes well we will finish around noon on Saturday.
My home address is:
649 S. 30th Circle, Mesa, Arizona 85204.
My home phone is:
(480) 325-9419
My cell phone is:
(602) 616-0785
You can obtain very good directions from Yahoo maps... but a brief set of directions are as follows:
Take 60 headed East and get off on Gilbert Road.
Head North on Gilbert Road (Left) to Broadway Road.
Head East on Broadway (right) to 30th street (30th street is the FIRST residential street you can make a right on just past the light at Lindsay... do not turn into the small community just east of Walgreens.
Head South (right) on 30th Street.
30th Street dead ends in my Cul-De-Sac and my home is the one with all the palm trees in the yard.
PLEASE PLEASE park along 30th street and WALK to my home. The reason that I am asking this is because I want to group like vehicles together to simplify installations. After everyone parks along 30th street, I will have a short meeting on my front porch and then I will ask all YJ owners to go get their vehicles and we will place them in one location in my yard. I will then ask all TJ owners to go get their vehicles and will park them in another location... and so on until all vehicle types are grouped together in my yard or cul-de-sac.
After everyone is grouped together, I will walk everyone through the steps of installing kill switches... and we will work together as a team to get them installed. To avoid having any electrical problems, you will be required to disconnect the positive lead on your battery BEFORE we do any work on your vehicle.
Please plan on bringing a cooler with drinks, cups and/or snacks if you will need them.
I will post this entire post to the "trip" on Azvjc.org if people need to reference it at a later date.
If you have suggestions and you see something I have forgotten, please let me know.
And last but not least, if you would like to come hang out and HELP or just watch and learn... I'm sure we could use all the help we can get. Everyone interested is welcome to show up.
If you have any questions, please contact me via email at:
arizonajeep@cox.net
Kind Regards,
Joe West
Technical workshops happen every once in a while and are intended as a "How To" class.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75897 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:31am
Subject: Step up & give up the coords
You guy/gals,
Far be it for me to preach but, Sandee is in need of trail start coords in
the FJ area. What the heck is going on? I know you guys have good
information on the FJ area, please share it with Sandee. I really don't want
people to post these coords to this board. Just send her the dang things,
start points would be good, treks are not needed and endpoints might help.
I meant to go out yesterday and see if the only trail I have, Upper
Woodpecker, was correct, but this motor deal came up. I only have UW because
I traced it on a topo so, I am not sure it is exact/correct. I have only had
a good GPS since Christmas.
Below is a email Sandee sent to me. It should be here job to take the land
managers to every trail head, although she is willing to do it. On top of
that she/they lost their GPS yesterday out scouting around. I almost did
this last weekend (I left it on the bumper when I was getting ready to leave
the air down spot, it happens).
Please help,
--James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 7:04 PM
> To: James.Towle@a...
> Subject: RE: re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> Any coords you can supply would be greatly appreciated. The guy that was
> going to give them to me last night ended up not having but one or two FJ
> trails.............. I picked up Broken Ankle and Over Dose
> today. Went to
> get Woody and realized Jack had lost the GPS.............. we
> drove all the
> way back to where we took the last reading but didn't find it........
>
> I may have to meet with the Enterprise Team guys and actually
> take them out
> there to each trailhead.........
>
> Thanks for anything you can do............ Sandee
>
75898 From: chrisboettge <cheesit@c...> <cheesit@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:13am
Subject: Re: Calling all welding gurus....
I would have to say the brackets were fast work with that Ready
Welder. It had no problem with penetration, which with my bracket
cutting skills is probably a good thing... :)
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> BTW, It only takes 2 batteries to run circles around the 220V
Lincoln
> 155 wirefeed I used to use. 24V pure DC is really the sh*t. With
36V the
> Ready Welder I can weld up to 1/2" thick plate. Try that with your
220V
> machine. I already used it to weld up my friend Chris B's Ford 8.8
> brackets. I was really impressed.
>
> Now I always take it on the trail. Most of my buddies run Optima
> yellowtops. Combine mine with one of theirs and I'm set.
>
> :D
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:39 AM
> To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@a...; cj8rockcrawler@c...;
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
>
>
> do what 'cha gotta do to get home right? that would actually be a
good
> thing for all hard core wheelers to do. although ppl dont bring 4
spare
> batteries on the trail with them, if there are 5 or 6 rigs on the
trail,
> and 1 BIG break, with no welder... it may be your only ticked
home ;o)
>
> Nick Gasmena
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:56 PM
> To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@a...; cj8rockcrawler@c...;
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
>
>
> LOL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
> To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@a...; cj8rockcrawler@c...;
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
>
>
> Yeah... you need to bring your own supplies... 4 batteries, 5
sets of
> jumper cables, and a couple coat hangers. The rest of us who
don't burn
> holes can opt. to use the machine :)
>
> Nick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
> To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@a...; cj8rockcrawler@c...;
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
>
>
> Hey! Mind if I come burn some holes too?
>
> LOL
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:05 PM
> To: hunteroffroad@a...; cj8rockcrawler@c...;
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
>
>
> Count me in! Gateway CC isn't offering welding classes any more,
which
> I was counting on taking. I'm ready! Tell me when and where!
>
> Nick Gasmena
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hunteroffroad@a... [mailto:hunteroffroad@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:02 AM
> To: cj8rockcrawler@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
>
>
> Kyle and club,
> A bout a year ago I did a small "clinic" at my shop. If there
is
> enough intrest, I'd be up for it again. I had fun last time.
Pizza
> and melt some some steel?
>
> John K
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75899 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:34am
Subject: Lake Havasu Scoping Meetings (Arizona-Southern California)
The BLM Lake Havasu Field Office is preparing a Resource Management
Plan (RMP) and Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) to manage public
lands in portions of Mohave, LaPaz, Yavapai, and Maricopa counties in
Arizona, and portions of San Bernardino County in California.
Due to changes of the BLM Lake Havasu Field Office boundaries,
creation of the Lake Havasu RMP became necessary as the office is
currently managing resources under four different and outdated Land
Use Plans (LUP). The new RMP will revise and update the present
plans, and combine them into one RMP.
Public outreach activities and open house meetings conducted in 2001
and 2002 provided public and governmental agency participation for
identifying issues to be addressed in the RMP. The public comments
received, along with review of current governing LUPs, yielded the
RMP Scoping Report, which was published in December 2002.
The BLM Lake Havasu Field Office anticipates completion of a Draft
Resource Management Plan/EIS in 2004. Public participation is invited
and encouraged throughout the planning process.
* Written comments are being accepted throughout the planning
process. Early participation is encouraged to ensure adequate
consideration (LINK to form?),
* Public open house meetings for February 2003.
* Questions/information, contact RMP Team Lead, Gina Trafton
(928) 505-1273, or email us.
More information at: http://www.az.blm.gov/lup/havasu/lhfo_plan.htm
Havasu Lake:
Saturday, FEBRUARY 15
9:00 a.m. - 10:00 a.m.
Havasu Landing, CA
Home Owners Association Meeting
Bullhead City
Tuesday, February 18
4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
Bullhead Area Chamber of Commerce
1251 Highway 95
Brenda
Wednesday, February 19
4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
Desert Gold RV Resort
46628 East Highway 95
Bouse
Wednesday, February 19
4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
Bouse Booster Community Hall
Plumose Road southwest of Hwy 72
Lake Havasu
Thursday, February 20
4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
Bureau of Land Management Office
2610 Sweetwater Avenue
Highway 95 at South Acoma
Parker
Monday, February 24
3:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Arizona Western College
Vocational Complex
601 W. 11st Street
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
75900 From: <dookie78@j...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 11:20am
Subject: Ajax pics 1-18-03
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From: dookie78@juno.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Hi,
here are some pics from Saturday's Ajax run. I had a great time!
Enjoy,
Bob
Click on a photo below to view the entire photo album!
Ajax 1-18-03
Ajax 1-18-03 (2)
Ajax 1-18-03 (3)
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75901 From: TODD MCCULLEN <desertfab@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 11:38am
Subject: Trail blockage, Rock stackers
Just need to add my 2 cents, I agree with Sandee 100%
Myself and some buddies went out yesterday to play and practice for the upcoming competition, and the day ended up being a work day. We started off on lower woodpecker, and found all the good spots ramped with rocks. We spent the first hour unstacking everything we could find. After that we headed over to bad medicine to check out the waterfall, we decided to do upper Ajax on the way. This ended up in a major derocking of the trail, and it could use more. We spent 2 hours just removing rocks from the few hard spots on this trail.
We did axle alley, and highway to hell a couple weeks ago and did the same thing. Heck axle alley was so paved it took us about five minutes to get to the first waterfall, when this trail was new it took a couple hours to get this far. This is an example of how the tough trails are being paved by people & rigs that did not belong there.
The last waterfall on Bad Medicine is now passable, we managed to maneuver the rocks down to the bottom of the waterfall. It is not easy, so the people that worry about breakage or damage DO NOT DO THE TRAIL.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do a trail that you are capable of without ruining the trail for the ones that like the extreme challenge.
I am sick and tired of every time I go out wheeling, I spend half the day UNSTACKING ROCKS. We do put winches on our rigs for a reason. If you cant not drive the obstacle without building ramps, use your WINCH.
I could go on forever about this so I will stop now, GET THE POINT.
Todd
75877 From: Dave King <daveaz@a...> <daveaz@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 8:40pm
Subject: FW: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
wrote:
> I just received a phone call from someone telling me to "Mind my own
> business." They "will do as they damned will please and it's not
my place
> to berate them for "trying" ANY trail".
>
> To whomever............ WRONG......... when you are deliberately
messing
> with "my" challenge I most certainly WILL say something. BTW: YOU
are the
> ones that will get everything CLOSED to us and most likely will
stop the
> "OHV Recreational Area" to ever become reality. The BLM are
adamant against
> "making by-passes".............. whatever their reason.......
right or
> wrong.......... THEY will have the final say. I'm sorry you feel
you do
> not have enough "challenge" on the trails you do not have to wreak
to do.
> If this continues none of us will have any "challenge"...........
we will
> have the graded trails at best.
>
> Also......... my apologies for the "error" in the second to last
> paragraph.......... should read: "Please don't take the next step
UNTIL
> you're ready or capable". ..... Sometimes my mind works faster
than my
> typing and my mind changes but the typewriter does not. Sandee
"you go Girl"!!!
those guys should stick some 235's on thier rig/junk and try the 2.0
trails....then they would have fun.....
Dave
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75878 From: steven.campbell <steven.campbell@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 8:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Sandee, it's a shame that we have to fight idiots like these. It seems
pretty cowardly to leave a message and not even give a name and phone
number. I spend time on almost every trip picking up someone else's trash or
rehabilitating the trail and it irks me when thoughtless people (yes, I am
being kind here) take it upon themselves to damage trails. They are working
against the sport and don't even seem to care.
Steven Campbell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
To: "AZVJC" <azvjc@a...>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 7:51 PM
Subject: FW: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
> I just received a phone call from someone telling me to "Mind my own
> business." They "will do as they damned will please and it's not my place
> to berate them for "trying" ANY trail".
>
> To whomever............ WRONG......... when you are deliberately messing
> with "my" challenge I most certainly WILL say something. BTW: YOU are
the
> ones that will get everything CLOSED to us and most likely will stop the
> "OHV Recreational Area" to ever become reality. The BLM are adamant
against
> "making by-passes".............. whatever their reason....... right or
> wrong.......... THEY will have the final say. I'm sorry you feel you do
> not have enough "challenge" on the trails you do not have to wreak to do.
> If this continues none of us will have any "challenge"........... we will
> have the graded trails at best.
>
> Also......... my apologies for the "error" in the second to last
> paragraph.......... should read: "Please don't take the next step UNTIL
> you're ready or capable". ..... Sometimes my mind works faster than my
> typing and my mind changes but the typewriter does not. Sandee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 7:21 PM
> To: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> OK guys........
>
> Gary was correct......... there ARE "BIG" boulders in the middle of the
> last waterfall of Bad Medicine. I don't think anything was "blasted" and
I
> truly do not think either the miner or BLM did this. Actually I KNOW BLM
> did not........ if the miner did, quite frankly, I'd be surprised. IMO I
> think some "wannabe" 4-wheeler was out there that was not capable of
making
> it up this waterfall and intended to "pry" some MORE rocks down from the
> side to fill in some more and ended up with a very LARGE surprise. (BTW:
as
> of a couple of months ago this trek had been filled in and groomed so
> throughly it was nearly a paved highway) Our group of 5 simply drove up it
> so WHY this was necessary is beyond me.
>
> Todd McCullen and a group met us on our way out today and they just called
> and said they managed to MOVE the rocks down the sluice a bit further. It
> is now passable but definitely not with a basic, locked vehicle. It will
> take a vehicle with an extreme suspension and most likely one that does
not
> care about the vehicle body............. it will feel some pain.
>
> Sorry for the attitude all.................... but this BS of stacking
> rocks and GROOMING trails because they're too tough truly p*#*es me off.
If
> a trail cannot be done with using a "FEW" rocks to help through a tough
> spot........(that you then UNSTACK) YOU DO NOT BELONG THERE. Florence
> Junction has sooooooooooooooo many trails of all ratings it is truly
beyond
> me why it's necessary to ruin every hard core trail for those that CAN
meet
> the challenge. I am NOT pointing fingers and truly have no idea WHO did
> this but if whoever did it gets this mail I hope you will
> listen............. the extreme vehicles are losing their "challenge"
> because too many are messing with these trails. "Please don't take the
next
> step WHEN you're ready or capable".
>
> My $.02 but we did confirm it was definitely Bad Medicine........... BTW:
> I believe we also found a way in that will allow us to bypass the Herring
> Mine thusly the miner cannot stop us........... I'll post more on this
> later.
>
> Thanks to Joe Kearney for tagging along and thanks to Todd and Troy for
> "moving the boulders".
>
> Sandee
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
> > [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:03 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
> >
> >
> > Sandee,
> >
> > That sounds like it. There were no real obstacles above this fall in
> > the wash. I know I was out by Herring Mine a while ago and did not
> > get a "warm" reception, so I would not be suprised if it was "a"
> > miner. I had never seen this area before yesterday, but the guy I
> > was with said the boulders in the fall are new and they are not the
> > same make-up as the rest of rocks that make the fall. Plus, as I
> > mentioned, you can still see the dirt where the boulders had been.
> >
> > I say this fall looks impassable to me, but if you took out
> > the "fresh" boulders it would still look impassable to me. LOL I'll
> > be glad when someone who knows the trail goes out and takes a look.
> > I'm glad we (Sandee) figured out which trail it was.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > Gary,
> > > From the location noted on your map this is the waterfall at the
> > top of Bad
> > > Medicine. There have been BIG boulders that fell in from the sides
> > years
> > > ago but we've been doing this trail for a long time. There has
> > been a lot
> > > of stacking and I did notice "pry marks" along the sides whereas
> > someone
> > > pulled smaller rock down to "fill in" the valley/hole. This
> > happened about
> > > a year ago. This portion of the trail is on BLM land. Where we
> > ran into
> > > problems with Jamboree is the owner of the Herring mine refused to
> > allow us
> > > across his property and we had to have "written permission" to do
> > so for
> > > Jamboree. This guy is not OHV friendly. A couple of times last
> > spring he
> > > met several groups of 4-wheelers with a shotgun in his
> > arms.............
> > > "cannot trespass on my property".
> > >
> > > If there has in fact been "blasting" it may well be from the miner
> > and no,
> > > he cannot do this. BLM did not and most likely, would not blast
> > any trail.
> > > (although don't know what this damned Tucson office might do) As
> > far as BLM
> > > is concerned this is a legal trail and they have no problem with us
> > running
> > > it with the exception of the "private" lands. I haven't been out
> > there
> > > lately but I believe there is another small road/trail that leads
> > down into
> > > the wash just past the mine site that should be a by-pass for us.
> > Just have
> > > to get out there and check.
> > >
> > > I'll try and get out there this weekend and see what's up. Sandee
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gary Pugsley [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:11 PM
> > > > To: rv6a@m...
> > > > Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Attached is a map that I did showing some of the landmarks and
> > > > the area in
> > > > question. The track is where we went on the quads, we then
> > > > walked through a
> > > > rock field to get to the fall.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps a bit,
> > > >
> > > > >From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
> > > > >To: "Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>" <gary_pugsley@h...>
> > > > >CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I plugged the lats and longs in to Terraserver and here is the
> > map it
> > > > >generated. Look familiar to anyone? It doesn't to me.
> > > > >
> > > > >http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?Lon=-
> > > > >111.181666666667&Lat=33.1833333333333&w=1&ref=G%7C-
> > > > >111.181666666667,33.1833333333333
> > > > >
> > > > >Chris
> > > > >
> > > > >On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Gary_Pugsley
> > > > ><gary_pugsley@h...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer"
> > (76
> > > > >>years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out
> > there).
> > > > >>
> > > > >>He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
> > > > >>Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed
> > to let
> > > > >>it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the
> > trail, the
> > > > >>boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said
> > he
> > > > >>was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed
> > that
> > > > >>BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might
> > have
> > > > >>an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but
> > someone
> > > > >>did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the
> > boulders
> > > > >>fell from.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that
> > it
> > > > >>was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock
> > jeep
> > > > >>don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I
> > did
> > > > >>have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did
> > not
> > > > >>get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter)
> > boulders
> > > > >>and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
> > > > >>basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were
> > above
> > > > >>the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> > > > >>ground) just upstream from it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone
> > somewhere
> > > > >>has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't
> > want
> > > > >>someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find
> > this and
> > > > >>ruin their day.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Gary
> > > > >>
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75879 From: Shawn Passmore <smpassmore@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 9:27pm
Subject: Re: Calling all welding gurus....
John,
Post a run, when it's convenient for you. I would love to learn a few tricks from the master!!! I would even buy a couple xlarge pizza's.
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com
To: cj8rockcrawler@cox.net ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Kyle and club,
A bout a year ago I did a small "clinic" at my shop. If there is enough intrest, I'd be up for it again. I had fun last time. Pizza and melt some some steel?
John K
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75880 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 9:26pm
Subject: RE: Grand Tetons
Have you seen the Teton's? I was there this summer... I don't think anyone or anything is driving to the top of those 14k foot pinacles of rock.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Rollie kent [mailto:jeeprkl@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:25 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; jeep@yahoogroups.com; jeeplist@egroups.com; yjwrangler@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Grand Tetons
Anyone found a jeep trail to the top of the Tetons?
Where can I get a map?
How would I get in touch with a local jeep club?
THANKS
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75881 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 9:31pm
Subject: Re: Grand Tetons
Now there's a challenge if I ever heard one! :o)
I can see the trip posting now . . . . . . .trail rating: 11.5+
hahahahahaha
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
Steve Meyer wrote:
Have you seen the Teton's? I was there this summer... I don't think anyone or anything is driving to the top of those 14k foot pinacles of rock.--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Rollie kent [mailto:jeeprkl@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:25 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; jeep@yahoogroups.com; jeeplist@egroups.com; yjwrangler@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Grand Tetons
Anyone found a jeep trail to the top of the Tetons?Where can I get a map? How would I get in touch with a local jeep club?THANKS
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75882 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 10:34pm
Subject: OT; testing 123
testing 123
Ralph
75883 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 10:55pm
Subject: RE: Calling all welding gurus....
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Yeah... you need to bring your own supplies... 4 batteries, 5 sets of jumper cables, and a couple coat hangers. The rest of us who don't burn holes can opt. to use the machine :)
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Hey! Mind if I come burn some holes too?
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:05 PM
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Count me in! Gateway CC isn't offering welding classes any more, which I was counting on taking. I'm ready! Tell me when and where!
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:02 AM
To: cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Kyle and club,
A bout a year ago I did a small "clinic" at my shop. If there is enough intrest, I'd be up for it again. I had fun last time. Pizza and melt some some steel?
John K
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75884 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 11:39pm
Subject: RE: Calling all welding gurus....
do what 'cha gotta do to get home right? that would actually be a good thing for all hard core wheelers to do. although ppl dont bring 4 spare batteries on the trail with them, if there are 5 or 6 rigs on the trail, and 1 BIG break, with no welder... it may be your only ticked home ;o)
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:56 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Yeah... you need to bring your own supplies... 4 batteries, 5 sets of jumper cables, and a couple coat hangers. The rest of us who don't burn holes can opt. to use the machine :)
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Hey! Mind if I come burn some holes too?
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:05 PM
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Count me in! Gateway CC isn't offering welding classes any more, which I was counting on taking. I'm ready! Tell me when and where!
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:02 AM
To: cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Kyle and club,
A bout a year ago I did a small "clinic" at my shop. If there is enough intrest, I'd be up for it again. I had fun last time. Pizza and melt some some steel?
John K
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75885 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 11:55pm
Subject: RE: Calling all welding gurus....
BTW, It only takes 2 batteries to run circles around the 220V Lincoln 155 wirefeed I used to use. 24V pure DC is really the sh*t. With 36V the Ready Welder I can weld up to 1/2" thick plate. Try that with your 220V machine. I already used it to weld up my friend Chris B's Ford 8.8 brackets. I was really impressed.
Now I always take it on the trail. Most of my buddies run Optima yellowtops. Combine mine with one of theirs and I'm set.
:D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:39 AM
To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
do what 'cha gotta do to get home right? that would actually be a good thing for all hard core wheelers to do. although ppl dont bring 4 spare batteries on the trail with them, if there are 5 or 6 rigs on the trail, and 1 BIG break, with no welder... it may be your only ticked home ;o)
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:56 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Yeah... you need to bring your own supplies... 4 batteries, 5 sets of jumper cables, and a couple coat hangers. The rest of us who don't burn holes can opt. to use the machine :)
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Hey! Mind if I come burn some holes too?
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:05 PM
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Count me in! Gateway CC isn't offering welding classes any more, which I was counting on taking. I'm ready! Tell me when and where!
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:02 AM
To: cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Kyle and club,
A bout a year ago I did a small "clinic" at my shop. If there is enough intrest, I'd be up for it again. I had fun last time. Pizza and melt some some steel?
John K
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75886 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 6:10am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Ajax (Upper) - Saturday, January 18, 2003
Hello All,
steve sample lead a trail run Saturday, January 18, 2003 across Ajax (Upper)
great weather
ran both lower and upper. 5 is a nice size group for upper for sure- wouldn't want many more. mr body damage made a visit to all jeeps. some water in upper made traction in the falls a little scarce. no major breakage and used strap, highlift and winch only once each.
rock on
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75887 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:11am
Subject: [FS] Wanted
Price: ???????
Contact: Dean 480-390-5176
Dose any one have a 1 inch motormout they dont need??? for a TJ
Thank you Dean
Dean Radak
75888 From: Neal Han**** <gotrox@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:24am
Subject: Re:Calling all welding gurus
Yeah John, count me in too. I love to learn how you bootyfab sh?t together!!
Let me know if you need any help.
Neal Han****
75889 From: Stu Olson <stu@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:27am
Subject: RE: Calling all welding gurus....
SAFETY TIP:
Remember, when disconnecting your batteries (so Scott can weld your rig back together), ALWAYS disconnect the negative terminal first and reconnect it last.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:55 AM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
BTW, It only takes 2 batteries to run circles around the 220V Lincoln 155 wirefeed I used to use. 24V pure DC is really the sh*t. With 36V the Ready Welder I can weld up to 1/2" thick plate. Try that with your 220V machine. I already used it to weld up my friend Chris B's Ford 8.8 brackets. I was really impressed.
Now I always take it on the trail. Most of my buddies run Optima yellowtops. Combine mine with one of theirs and I'm set.
:D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:39 AM
To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
do what 'cha gotta do to get home right? that would actually be a good thing for all hard core wheelers to do. although ppl dont bring 4 spare batteries on the trail with them, if there are 5 or 6 rigs on the trail, and 1 BIG break, with no welder... it may be your only ticked home ;o)
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:56 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Yeah... you need to bring your own supplies... 4 batteries, 5 sets of jumper cables, and a couple coat hangers. The rest of us who don't burn holes can opt. to use the machine :)
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Hey! Mind if I come burn some holes too?
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:05 PM
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com; cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Count me in! Gateway CC isn't offering welding classes any more, which I was counting on taking. I'm ready! Tell me when and where!
Nick Gasmena
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:02 AM
To: cj8rockcrawler@cox.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
Kyle and club,
A bout a year ago I did a small "clinic" at my shop. If there is enough intrest, I'd be up for it again. I had fun last time. Pizza and melt some some steel?
John K
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75890 From: Gary R. Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:37am
Subject: Re: Winch question
Felix:
If you go for the hydraulic you might want to include a few mods. Definately add a oil cooler to the power steering/winch hoses and there are mods you can do to the valve body in the power steering pump toincrease pump pressure (not too much now!) and volume at low speeds. These two items alone will increase your satisfaction with your winch.
BTW, I have the 10,500 MieMarker on the CAMO COW.
Gary Holmes
Felix Santi wrote:
I'll be ordering a winch next week for the TJ, seems all this mud (blah) likes to suck me in. So far I'm leaning for the Milemarker 10k hydraulic winch. Most guys here run the electric (Warn/Ramsey) winches on their rigs. I just notice alot of down time during cooling cycles on long pulls. The three Jeeps that run the hydraulics just crank in the cable all day long. I know the old "if it ain't running, you ain't winching" line but..even if you are, the full pull will drain that battery out fast.
I remember few years back the winch debate on here and was asking for any input.
Right now the TJ is used on weekends on rut.occasional rock but alot of mud packed trails. Sometimes those anchor points are few and far apart.
Thanks and happy trails
Felix
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75891 From: Gary R. Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:43am
Subject: Re: Calling all welding gurus....
I carry welding rod and extra jumper cables in the Camo Cow's emergency boxes. You just never know.
Gary Holmes
Nick Gasmena wrote:
do what 'cha gotta do to get home right? that would actually be a good thing for all hard core wheelers to do. although ppl dont bring 4 spare batteries on the trail with them, if there are 5 or 6 rigs on the trail, and 1 BIG break, with no welder... it may be your only ticked home ;o)
Nick Gasmena
75892 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:55am
Subject: Re: Re:Calling all welding gurus
Hunter knows how to weld??
Hey, you think he could teach me?
I wanna go too!
Bill Mish
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Han****
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:24 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re:Calling all welding gurus
Yeah John, count me in too. I love to learn how you bootyfab sh?t together!!
Let me know if you need any help.
Neal Han****
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75893 From: Kristi Weiss <kristiluv33@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:56am
Subject: lift questions
Anyone have some input on Skyjackers 6 monolinear-leaf kit. We are trying to decide to go with it, or a spring over, or Procomp-coil on the YJ and the total cost either route w/a SYE will be the same. So if anyone out there has any recommendation or pros & con, we would be very appreciative. We drive 3.5+ trails and use it for long highway trips as well
Thnx,
Jason/Kristi
75894 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:04am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, April 26, 2003
Hello All,
Joe West is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, April 26, 2003.
When: April 26th, 2003 at 9:00am
Where: My Home
Rating: None
Length: 6 hours
CB Channel:
I will continue to schedule kill switch technical workshops every few months until everyone who wants to have an anti-theft kill switch installed has one. I will then schedule them once a year or so. I still have people contacting me who want to install a kill switch so I have scheduled this third workshop for April 26th at 9:00am.
This is kill switch technical workshop number 3. The purpose of this workshop is threefold:
1. To keep your rig from being a theft statistic.
2. To show you how easy it is to install a kill switch.
3. To spend some fun time just hanging out with Jeepers.
I have picked a date for the third kill-switch workshop a few months out to enable people to sign up over a longer period of time. I will update the information in this run as necessary, but for the most part all of the information you will need is here. The limit for the number of rigs we can fit in my yard and cul-de-sac is 30 so this will be the maximum number of people who can sign up. Please note that YOU will be doing the work in this workshop and I will be guiding, assisting, teaching, and testing your installs (and fixing any problems which may occur).
All short wheel base Jeeps such as Wranglers and CJs, Willys, etc can choose either a kill switch OR a combination hoodlock and kill switch. Since short wheel base Jeeps do not come from the factory with a hood lock, I would recommend people install the combination hood lock kill switch.
All long wheelbase Jeeps such as Grand Cherokees, Cherokees, Wagoneers and other vehicles that already have an INSIDE hood release will only need to purchase a kill switch.
The price for the HoodLock/Kill Switch is $43 and includes everything needed to install the kit.
The price for the kill switch alone is $15, and includes everything you will need to install the switch.
Please note: I am NOT making any money on the kill switches and hood locks... the charge just covers the cost of the hardware with a couple of dollars extra thrown in to cover supplies. I do this workshop for fun and to help people out... not to make money.
Unfortunately, because of problems I had with purchasing hoodlock/killswitches for people who didn't show and didn't pay (leaving me stuck with the hardware), it will be necessary for people to pay in advance. To pay for your kill switch, sign up for this run and then send a check for the appropriate amount to my home address shown below. In the memo area on your check, please put kill switch. No matter how early you send out your payment, I will not cash the check until I actually purchase the kill switch and or hood lock.
The kill switch type will be determined by the year, make, and model of the Jeep being fitted with the switch. For those members with Wranglers/CJs and other SWB Jeeps with no hood locks, I will encourage a group buy of a hood lock kill switch combination. Once I determine how many people sign up and what kind of vehicles they have, I will put together a list of required materials and purchase them for everyone. Individual members can choose what kind of kill switch they want or I will determine it for them based on vehicle type if they have no preference. I will provide all tools and will purchase bulk materials (wires, switches, solder, connectors, electrical tape, zip ties, etc) which everyone will split the cost of. If you are interested, please sign up.
VERY IMPORTANT:
All Participants in the clinic MUST give me the following information:
1. Year and model of vehicle on which we will be installing the kill switch
2. Do you have a FACTORY service manual OR a service manual with wiring schematics for your vehicle?
3. Which of the following tools can you bring: drill, drill bits, wire cutters, metric and/or standard socket set, wire strippers, wire crimpers, nylon ties, electrical tape, soldering iron/solder, long extension cords, multi-outlet adaptors/short extension cords, volt-ohm meters or DVM, blowdryer (for heat-shrink tubing).
VERY VERY IMPORTANT:
The clinic will be held at my home in Mesa Arizona on Saturday morning, April 26th starting at (for now, this may change) 9:00AM. I believe that you can plan on spending a good 6 hours at my home, and hopefully, if everything goes well we will finish around noon on Saturday.
My home address is:
649 S. 30th Circle, Mesa, Arizona 85204.
My home phone is:
(480) 325-9419
My cell phone is:
(602) 616-0785
You can obtain very good directions from Yahoo maps... but a brief set of directions are as follows:
Take 60 headed East and get off on Gilbert Road.
Head North on Gilbert Road (Left) to Broadway Road.
Head East on Broadway (right) to 30th street (30th street is the FIRST residential street you can make a right on just past the light at Lindsay... do not turn into the small community just east of Walgreens.
Head South (right) on 30th Street.
30th Street dead ends in my Cul-De-Sac and my home is the one with all the palm trees in the yard.
PLEASE PLEASE park along 30th street and WALK to my home. The reason that I am asking this is because I want to group like vehicles together to simplify installations. After everyone parks along 30th street, I will have a short meeting on my front porch and then I will ask all YJ owners to go get their vehicles and we will place them in one location in my yard. I will then ask all TJ owners to go get their vehicles and will park them in another location... and so on until all vehicle types are grouped together in my yard or cul-de-sac.
After everyone is grouped together, I will walk everyone through the steps of installing kill switches... and we will work together as a team to get them installed. To avoid having any electrical problems, you will be required to disconnect the positive lead on your battery BEFORE we do any work on your vehicle.
Please plan on bringing a cooler with drinks, cups and/or snacks if you will need them.
I will post this entire post to the "trip" on Azvjc.org if people need to reference it at a later date.
If you have suggestions and you see something I have forgotten, please let me know.
And last but not least, if you would like to come hang out and HELP or just watch and learn... I'm sure we could use all the help we can get. Everyone interested is welcome to show up.
If you have any questions, please contact me via email at:
arizonajeep@cox.net
Kind Regards,
Joe West
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75895 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:04am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, April 26, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Joe West is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, April 26, 2003.
When: April 26th, 2003 at 9:00am
Where: My Home
Rating: None
Length: 6 hours
CB Channel:
I will continue to schedule kill switch technical workshops every few months until everyone who wants to have an anti-theft kill switch installed has one. I will then schedule them once a year or so. I still have people contacting me who want to install a kill switch so I have scheduled this third workshop for April 26th at 9:00am.
This is kill switch technical workshop number 3. The purpose of this workshop is threefold:
1. To keep your rig from being a theft statistic.
2. To show you how easy it is to install a kill switch.
3. To spend some fun time just hanging out with Jeepers.
I have picked a date for the third kill-switch workshop a few months out to enable people to sign up over a longer period of time. I will update the information in this run as necessary, but for the most part all of the information you will need is here. The limit for the number of rigs we can fit in my yard and cul-de-sac is 30 so this will be the maximum number of people who can sign up. Please note that YOU will be doing the work in this workshop and I will be guiding, assisting, teaching, and testing your installs (and fixing any problems which may occur).
All short wheel base Jeeps such as Wranglers and CJs, Willys, etc can choose either a kill switch OR a combination hoodlock and kill switch. Since short wheel base Jeeps do not come from the factory with a hood lock, I would recommend people install the combination hood lock kill switch.
All long wheelbase Jeeps such as Grand Cherokees, Cherokees, Wagoneers and other vehicles that already have an INSIDE hood release will only need to purchase a kill switch.
The price for the HoodLock/Kill Switch is $43 and includes everything needed to install the kit.
The price for the kill switch alone is $15, and includes everything you will need to install the switch.
Please note: I am NOT making any money on the kill switches and hood locks... the charge just covers the cost of the hardware with a couple of dollars extra thrown in to cover supplies. I do this workshop for fun and to help people out... not to make money.
Unfortunately, because of problems I had with purchasing hoodlock/killswitches for people who didn't show and didn't pay (leaving me stuck with the hardware), it will be necessary for people to pay in advance. To pay for your kill switch, sign up for this run and then send a check for the appropriate amount to my home address shown below. In the memo area on your check, please put kill switch. No matter how early you send out your payment, I will not cash the check until I actually purchase the kill switch and or hood lock.
The kill switch type will be determined by the year, make, and model of the Jeep being fitted with the switch. For those members with Wranglers/CJs and other SWB Jeeps with no hood locks, I will encourage a group buy of a hood lock kill switch combination. Once I determine how many people sign up and what kind of vehicles they have, I will put together a list of required materials and purchase them for everyone. Individual members can choose what kind of kill switch they want or I will determine it for them based on vehicle type if they have no preference. I will provide all tools and will purchase bulk materials (wires, switches, solder, connectors, electrical tape, zip ties, etc) which everyone will split the cost of. If you are interested, please sign up.
VERY IMPORTANT:
All Participants in the clinic MUST give me the following information:
1. Year and model of vehicle on which we will be installing the kill switch
2. Do you have a FACTORY service manual OR a service manual with wiring schematics for your vehicle?
3. Which of the following tools can you bring: drill, drill bits, wire cutters, metric and/or standard socket set, wire strippers, wire crimpers, nylon ties, electrical tape, soldering iron/solder, long extension cords, multi-outlet adaptors/short extension cords, volt-ohm meters or DVM, blowdryer (for heat-shrink tubing).
VERY VERY IMPORTANT:
The clinic will be held at my home in Mesa Arizona on Saturday morning, April 26th starting at (for now, this may change) 9:00AM. I believe that you can plan on spending a good 6 hours at my home, and hopefully, if everything goes well we will finish around noon on Saturday.
My home address is:
649 S. 30th Circle, Mesa, Arizona 85204.
My home phone is:
(480) 325-9419
My cell phone is:
(602) 616-0785
You can obtain very good directions from Yahoo maps... but a brief set of directions are as follows:
Take 60 headed East and get off on Gilbert Road.
Head North on Gilbert Road (Left) to Broadway Road.
Head East on Broadway (right) to 30th street (30th street is the FIRST residential street you can make a right on just past the light at Lindsay... do not turn into the small community just east of Walgreens.
Head South (right) on 30th Street.
30th Street dead ends in my Cul-De-Sac and my home is the one with all the palm trees in the yard.
PLEASE PLEASE park along 30th street and WALK to my home. The reason that I am asking this is because I want to group like vehicles together to simplify installations. After everyone parks along 30th street, I will have a short meeting on my front porch and then I will ask all YJ owners to go get their vehicles and we will place them in one location in my yard. I will then ask all TJ owners to go get their vehicles and will park them in another location... and so on until all vehicle types are grouped together in my yard or cul-de-sac.
After everyone is grouped together, I will walk everyone through the steps of installing kill switches... and we will work together as a team to get them installed. To avoid having any electrical problems, you will be required to disconnect the positive lead on your battery BEFORE we do any work on your vehicle.
Please plan on bringing a cooler with drinks, cups and/or snacks if you will need them.
I will post this entire post to the "trip" on Azvjc.org if people need to reference it at a later date.
If you have suggestions and you see something I have forgotten, please let me know.
And last but not least, if you would like to come hang out and HELP or just watch and learn... I'm sure we could use all the help we can get. Everyone interested is welcome to show up.
If you have any questions, please contact me via email at:
arizonajeep@cox.net
Kind Regards,
Joe West
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75896 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:05am
Subject: [TR] Technical Workshop - Saturday, April 26, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Joe West is leading a Technical Workshop trail run on Saturday, April 26, 2003.
When: April 26th, 2003 at 9:00am
Where: My Home
Rating: 2.0-
Length: 6 hours
CB Channel:
I will continue to schedule kill switch technical workshops every few months until everyone who wants to have an anti-theft kill switch installed has one. I will then schedule them once a year or so. I still have people contacting me who want to install a kill switch so I have scheduled this third workshop for April 26th at 9:00am.
This is kill switch technical workshop number 3. The purpose of this workshop is threefold:
1. To keep your rig from being a theft statistic.
2. To show you how easy it is to install a kill switch.
3. To spend some fun time just hanging out with Jeepers.
I have picked a date for the third kill-switch workshop a few months out to enable people to sign up over a longer period of time. I will update the information in this run as necessary, but for the most part all of the information you will need is here. The limit for the number of rigs we can fit in my yard and cul-de-sac is 30 so this will be the maximum number of people who can sign up. Please note that YOU will be doing the work in this workshop and I will be guiding, assisting, teaching, and testing your installs (and fixing any problems which may occur).
All short wheel base Jeeps such as Wranglers and CJs, Willys, etc can choose either a kill switch OR a combination hoodlock and kill switch. Since short wheel base Jeeps do not come from the factory with a hood lock, I would recommend people install the combination hood lock kill switch.
All long wheelbase Jeeps such as Grand Cherokees, Cherokees, Wagoneers and other vehicles that already have an INSIDE hood release will only need to purchase a kill switch.
The price for the HoodLock/Kill Switch is $43 and includes everything needed to install the kit.
The price for the kill switch alone is $15, and includes everything you will need to install the switch.
Please note: I am NOT making any money on the kill switches and hood locks... the charge just covers the cost of the hardware with a couple of dollars extra thrown in to cover supplies. I do this workshop for fun and to help people out... not to make money.
Unfortunately, because of problems I had with purchasing hoodlock/killswitches for people who didn't show and didn't pay (leaving me stuck with the hardware), it will be necessary for people to pay in advance. To pay for your kill switch, sign up for this run and then send a check for the appropriate amount to my home address shown below. In the memo area on your check, please put kill switch. No matter how early you send out your payment, I will not cash the check until I actually purchase the kill switch and or hood lock.
The kill switch type will be determined by the year, make, and model of the Jeep being fitted with the switch. For those members with Wranglers/CJs and other SWB Jeeps with no hood locks, I will encourage a group buy of a hood lock kill switch combination. Once I determine how many people sign up and what kind of vehicles they have, I will put together a list of required materials and purchase them for everyone. Individual members can choose what kind of kill switch they want or I will determine it for them based on vehicle type if they have no preference. I will provide all tools and will purchase bulk materials (wires, switches, solder, connectors, electrical tape, zip ties, etc) which everyone will split the cost of. If you are interested, please sign up.
VERY IMPORTANT:
All Participants in the clinic MUST give me the following information:
1. Year and model of vehicle on which we will be installing the kill switch
2. Do you have a FACTORY service manual OR a service manual with wiring schematics for your vehicle?
3. Which of the following tools can you bring: drill, drill bits, wire cutters, metric and/or standard socket set, wire strippers, wire crimpers, nylon ties, electrical tape, soldering iron/solder, long extension cords, multi-outlet adaptors/short extension cords, volt-ohm meters or DVM, blowdryer (for heat-shrink tubing).
VERY VERY IMPORTANT:
The clinic will be held at my home in Mesa Arizona on Saturday morning, April 26th starting at (for now, this may change) 9:00AM. I believe that you can plan on spending a good 6 hours at my home, and hopefully, if everything goes well we will finish around noon on Saturday.
My home address is:
649 S. 30th Circle, Mesa, Arizona 85204.
My home phone is:
(480) 325-9419
My cell phone is:
(602) 616-0785
You can obtain very good directions from Yahoo maps... but a brief set of directions are as follows:
Take 60 headed East and get off on Gilbert Road.
Head North on Gilbert Road (Left) to Broadway Road.
Head East on Broadway (right) to 30th street (30th street is the FIRST residential street you can make a right on just past the light at Lindsay... do not turn into the small community just east of Walgreens.
Head South (right) on 30th Street.
30th Street dead ends in my Cul-De-Sac and my home is the one with all the palm trees in the yard.
PLEASE PLEASE park along 30th street and WALK to my home. The reason that I am asking this is because I want to group like vehicles together to simplify installations. After everyone parks along 30th street, I will have a short meeting on my front porch and then I will ask all YJ owners to go get their vehicles and we will place them in one location in my yard. I will then ask all TJ owners to go get their vehicles and will park them in another location... and so on until all vehicle types are grouped together in my yard or cul-de-sac.
After everyone is grouped together, I will walk everyone through the steps of installing kill switches... and we will work together as a team to get them installed. To avoid having any electrical problems, you will be required to disconnect the positive lead on your battery BEFORE we do any work on your vehicle.
Please plan on bringing a cooler with drinks, cups and/or snacks if you will need them.
I will post this entire post to the "trip" on Azvjc.org if people need to reference it at a later date.
If you have suggestions and you see something I have forgotten, please let me know.
And last but not least, if you would like to come hang out and HELP or just watch and learn... I'm sure we could use all the help we can get. Everyone interested is welcome to show up.
If you have any questions, please contact me via email at:
arizonajeep@cox.net
Kind Regards,
Joe West
Technical workshops happen every once in a while and are intended as a "How To" class.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75897 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:31am
Subject: Step up & give up the coords
You guy/gals,
Far be it for me to preach but, Sandee is in need of trail start coords in
the FJ area. What the heck is going on? I know you guys have good
information on the FJ area, please share it with Sandee. I really don't want
people to post these coords to this board. Just send her the dang things,
start points would be good, treks are not needed and endpoints might help.
I meant to go out yesterday and see if the only trail I have, Upper
Woodpecker, was correct, but this motor deal came up. I only have UW because
I traced it on a topo so, I am not sure it is exact/correct. I have only had
a good GPS since Christmas.
Below is a email Sandee sent to me. It should be here job to take the land
managers to every trail head, although she is willing to do it. On top of
that she/they lost their GPS yesterday out scouting around. I almost did
this last weekend (I left it on the bumper when I was getting ready to leave
the air down spot, it happens).
Please help,
--James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 7:04 PM
> To: James.Towle@a...
> Subject: RE: re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> Any coords you can supply would be greatly appreciated. The guy that was
> going to give them to me last night ended up not having but one or two FJ
> trails.............. I picked up Broken Ankle and Over Dose
> today. Went to
> get Woody and realized Jack had lost the GPS.............. we
> drove all the
> way back to where we took the last reading but didn't find it........
>
> I may have to meet with the Enterprise Team guys and actually
> take them out
> there to each trailhead.........
>
> Thanks for anything you can do............ Sandee
>
75898 From: chrisboettge <cheesit@c...> <cheesit@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:13am
Subject: Re: Calling all welding gurus....
I would have to say the brackets were fast work with that Ready
Welder. It had no problem with penetration, which with my bracket
cutting skills is probably a good thing... :)
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> BTW, It only takes 2 batteries to run circles around the 220V
Lincoln
> 155 wirefeed I used to use. 24V pure DC is really the sh*t. With
36V the
> Ready Welder I can weld up to 1/2" thick plate. Try that with your
220V
> machine. I already used it to weld up my friend Chris B's Ford 8.8
> brackets. I was really impressed.
>
> Now I always take it on the trail. Most of my buddies run Optima
> yellowtops. Combine mine with one of theirs and I'm set.
>
> :D
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:39 AM
> To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@a...; cj8rockcrawler@c...;
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
>
>
> do what 'cha gotta do to get home right? that would actually be a
good
> thing for all hard core wheelers to do. although ppl dont bring 4
spare
> batteries on the trail with them, if there are 5 or 6 rigs on the
trail,
> and 1 BIG break, with no welder... it may be your only ticked
home ;o)
>
> Nick Gasmena
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:56 PM
> To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@a...; cj8rockcrawler@c...;
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
>
>
> LOL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
> To: Scott Kruize; hunteroffroad@a...; cj8rockcrawler@c...;
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
>
>
> Yeah... you need to bring your own supplies... 4 batteries, 5
sets of
> jumper cables, and a couple coat hangers. The rest of us who
don't burn
> holes can opt. to use the machine :)
>
> Nick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:16 PM
> To: 'Nick Gasmena'; hunteroffroad@a...; cj8rockcrawler@c...;
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
>
>
> Hey! Mind if I come burn some holes too?
>
> LOL
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:05 PM
> To: hunteroffroad@a...; cj8rockcrawler@c...;
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
>
>
> Count me in! Gateway CC isn't offering welding classes any more,
which
> I was counting on taking. I'm ready! Tell me when and where!
>
> Nick Gasmena
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hunteroffroad@a... [mailto:hunteroffroad@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:02 AM
> To: cj8rockcrawler@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Calling all welding gurus....
>
>
> Kyle and club,
> A bout a year ago I did a small "clinic" at my shop. If there
is
> enough intrest, I'd be up for it again. I had fun last time.
Pizza
> and melt some some steel?
>
> John K
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75899 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:34am
Subject: Lake Havasu Scoping Meetings (Arizona-Southern California)
The BLM Lake Havasu Field Office is preparing a Resource Management
Plan (RMP) and Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) to manage public
lands in portions of Mohave, LaPaz, Yavapai, and Maricopa counties in
Arizona, and portions of San Bernardino County in California.
Due to changes of the BLM Lake Havasu Field Office boundaries,
creation of the Lake Havasu RMP became necessary as the office is
currently managing resources under four different and outdated Land
Use Plans (LUP). The new RMP will revise and update the present
plans, and combine them into one RMP.
Public outreach activities and open house meetings conducted in 2001
and 2002 provided public and governmental agency participation for
identifying issues to be addressed in the RMP. The public comments
received, along with review of current governing LUPs, yielded the
RMP Scoping Report, which was published in December 2002.
The BLM Lake Havasu Field Office anticipates completion of a Draft
Resource Management Plan/EIS in 2004. Public participation is invited
and encouraged throughout the planning process.
* Written comments are being accepted throughout the planning
process. Early participation is encouraged to ensure adequate
consideration (LINK to form?),
* Public open house meetings for February 2003.
* Questions/information, contact RMP Team Lead, Gina Trafton
(928) 505-1273, or email us.
More information at: http://www.az.blm.gov/lup/havasu/lhfo_plan.htm
Havasu Lake:
Saturday, FEBRUARY 15
9:00 a.m. - 10:00 a.m.
Havasu Landing, CA
Home Owners Association Meeting
Bullhead City
Tuesday, February 18
4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
Bullhead Area Chamber of Commerce
1251 Highway 95
Brenda
Wednesday, February 19
4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
Desert Gold RV Resort
46628 East Highway 95
Bouse
Wednesday, February 19
4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
Bouse Booster Community Hall
Plumose Road southwest of Hwy 72
Lake Havasu
Thursday, February 20
4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
Bureau of Land Management Office
2610 Sweetwater Avenue
Highway 95 at South Acoma
Parker
Monday, February 24
3:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Arizona Western College
Vocational Complex
601 W. 11st Street
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
75900 From: <dookie78@j...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 11:20am
Subject: Ajax pics 1-18-03
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From: dookie78@juno.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Hi,
here are some pics from Saturday's Ajax run. I had a great time!
Enjoy,
Bob
Click on a photo below to view the entire photo album!
Ajax 1-18-03
Ajax 1-18-03 (2)
Ajax 1-18-03 (3)
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75901 From: TODD MCCULLEN <desertfab@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 11:38am
Subject: Trail blockage, Rock stackers
Just need to add my 2 cents, I agree with Sandee 100%
Myself and some buddies went out yesterday to play and practice for the upcoming competition, and the day ended up being a work day. We started off on lower woodpecker, and found all the good spots ramped with rocks. We spent the first hour unstacking everything we could find. After that we headed over to bad medicine to check out the waterfall, we decided to do upper Ajax on the way. This ended up in a major derocking of the trail, and it could use more. We spent 2 hours just removing rocks from the few hard spots on this trail.
We did axle alley, and highway to hell a couple weeks ago and did the same thing. Heck axle alley was so paved it took us about five minutes to get to the first waterfall, when this trail was new it took a couple hours to get this far. This is an example of how the tough trails are being paved by people & rigs that did not belong there.
The last waterfall on Bad Medicine is now passable, we managed to maneuver the rocks down to the bottom of the waterfall. It is not easy, so the people that worry about breakage or damage DO NOT DO THE TRAIL.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do a trail that you are capable of without ruining the trail for the ones that like the extreme challenge.
I am sick and tired of every time I go out wheeling, I spend half the day UNSTACKING ROCKS. We do put winches on our rigs for a reason. If you cant not drive the obstacle without building ramps, use your WINCH.
I could go on forever about this so I will stop now, GET THE POINT.
Todd