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75727 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:17am
Subject: RE: Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a LOjack
MOST vehicles stolen aren't yours so why worry at all? Probably removal
of the coil wire will keep most car thieves away. But what if you have a
40 thousand dollar Jeep? Well most don't but a few do and I would
suggest an upgrade from a simple switch.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith [mailto:khaw@n...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:09 PM
To: Joey@d...; arizonajeep@c...; 'Richard Logan';
azcj@y...
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a LOjack
That's true, but your talking repo not thiefs. I'd be willing to bet if
you
check most thiefs work on the 2 guys method. That is, 2, or more, guys
pull
up in a car, 1 jumps out, pops yours and they both drive off. It's
quieter
and less conspicuous. Atleast that's my thinking.
Keith
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75728 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:18am
Subject: [FS] AX15 TRANSMISSION (5 speed for 6cyl. motor) $250.00
Price: $250.00
Contact: 602-579-5132
ax15 transmission 5 speed for a 6cyl. motor $250.00 has bell housing &; shifter with it. or will trade for a (AX5 transmission for a 4cyl. YJ wrangler 1990)
Bruce Boc
75729 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:24am
Subject: [FS] HARD TOP (for CJ8 SCAMBLER) IN GREAT SHAPE $400.00
Price: $400.00
Contact: 602-579-5132
HARD TOP for CJ8 with body panel in great shape $400.00 firm. or will trade for a (AX5 transmission for a 4cyl. 5speed YJ wrangler 1990) call 602-579-5132
Bruce Boc
75730 From: AzVJC Website <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:31am
Subject: [FS] RE chromoly tie rod
Price: $60
Contact: azjeep@cox.net
Rubicon Express heavy duty chromoly tie rod, with fairly new t/r ends.
New they run round $110 w/o t/r ends.
Doug Ballard
75731 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:34am
Subject: RE: [OT]Anyone w/ towing exp w/ a Dodge 4.7?
Doug!!!
You got rid of your older Dodge and got a new one? WITH A HEMI????
Wow!!! I want to see that MOTOR!!!
(Im going to come steal it out of your truck and put it in my Jeep)
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:35 AM
To: AZVJC; Shawn Passmore
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT]Anyone w/ towing exp w/ a Dodge 4.7?
The 5.9 puts out 245hp...sounds like the 4.7 puts out slightly more. Not sure about the torque comparison. I had the 5.9 and it towed just fine (6500lbs or so), but the new Hemi (5.7) is really amazing. Puts out a full 100hp more than the 5.9. And puts out more torque to boot (at a higher rpm). If you haven't yet bought the 2003, they are now offering it w/ the Hemi as an option. Well worth it. I loves me Hemi.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn Passmore
To: AZVJC
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT]Anyone w/ towing exp w/ a Dodge 4.7?
John,
I have a 5.9 L in my 97 Dodge so I can't speak from experience about the 4.7
But this is what Motortrend said about it:
"
Power from Chrysler's next-generation single-cam 4.7L 16-valve V-8 feels adequate, but not exceptional, at least in this heavy 4x4. It's rated 240 hp at 4800 rpm and 300 lb-ft at 3200 rpm. Coupled with the optional 45RFE multi-speed automatic, in which a computer chooses gearing to suit your driving style and needs, acceleration feels decent, but, at times, a bit sluggish. We'd guess the multi-speed in our preproduction Ram sometimes misunderstood our journalistic acceleration desires. Until the 5.7L Hemi V-8 replaces the old 5.9L Magnum V-8 as the top option, the 4.7 is our engine of choice. A 3.7L/215-hp V-6 is available only on the 2WD regular cab truck (we'd recommend it only if you're buying 25 trucks for a road-construction crew). A five-speed manual is available in all Ram iterations except for those equipped with the 5.9."
I don't usually care what motortrend thinks about vehicles but their show on the new Hemi was nice to see!!! Now if I could just afford one!!!!
Good luck!
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com
To: az_vjc@YahooGroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:53 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Anyone w/ towing exp w/ a Dodge 4.7?
I am was wondering if anyone here has any expeirence or knows of someone, towing with a newer Dodge 1500 4.7 liter motor. (Yes, I know it is a small motor, but have to work on a tight budget, looking at my options and doing homework) Im looking to tow up to 6000 lbs on occasion and was wondering how it does and looking for real world input...
Thank You Much
Best regards
John Kanicsar
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75732 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:40am
Subject: [FS] 1990 YJ WRANGLER $2500.00 ( needs trans work)
Price: $2500.00
Contact: 602-579-5132
1990 YJ WRANGLER 4cyl.,5 speed,(needs trans work),motor runs great,body in good shape,soft top(no doors),only has 104,000 miles on it,wind sheild is cracked,stering column needs some work but not busted up. RED in color with GRAY interior &; black top.(RUNS &; DRIVES BUT ONLY IN 4th GEAR) $2500.00 call 602-579-5132 ask for Bruce
Bruce Boc
75733 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:00am
Subject: Fwd: Access Alert - Healthy Forests Initiative Update
From: "Warrior's Society" <avargas714@a...>
To: "Warrior's Society" <countingcoup@w...>
Subject: Access Alert - Healthy Forests Initiative Update
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:15:46 -0800
X-Priority: 1 (Highest)
Importance: High
HEALTHY FORESTS INITIATIVE UPDATE
An important initiative to protect our forests and our access
Although the preservationist/environmental movement seeks to portray
the Healthy Forests Initiative as "yet another Bush assault against
the environment," that is far from the truth. Everyone has opinions -
but what do the facts indicate as being at risk? Natural resource /
fish & wildlife / forestry management science are sciences - no less
than medicine or mechanical engineering. There are professional
standards and extensive independent peer reviews for research before
it is recognized as valid.
The anti-use preservationists/environmentalists are frequently guilty
of presenting bogus science, research and surveys on fish and
wildlife issues that meet their needs - but which fail to measure up
against accepted scientific standards or even simple integrity. The
preservationist/environmental positions all sound very logical to the
public - and the majority of the press lacks the necessary background
to even recognize let alone challenge bogus science.
As we have stated before, the wilderness advocates seem to see any
forest management policy that would stop the push for wilderness
areas as a threat. Since the fuel treatment methods require
"mechanical methods," they pose a threat to the push for wilderness
designations, which bans anything mechanized. Even in areas that have
diseased or beetle infested forests,
preservationists/environmentalists have opposed logging and thinning
programs validated by sound science, and in some areas, such as the
pine forests of Eastern Oregon, you can find hundreds of acres of
dead trees, waiting to ignite.
The federal lands in California being proposed for wilderness are
presently protected from development, abuse, etc. under law and
policy. The Healthy Forests Initiative management methods will not
remove those protections. There is no hard evidence that would
indicate that sweeping new wilderness areas are warranted. We have
heard a lot of emotional "The sky is falling" rhetoric from the
preservationist/environmental movement, but I have yet to see any
evidence of legitimate threats to wild lands that cannot be dealt
with effectively under existing environmental laws, such as the NEPA
process.
The push for Wilderness areas and the opposition to the Healthy
Forests Initiative has more to do with restricting legitimate
historical recreational access and sustainable commercial activities
on public lands. The policies of the preservationist/environmental
movement and the Wildlands Project (in which they are based - see the
informational links at the end of this update) have more to do with
the goal of limiting all access to the forests, save for the
"enlightened few", rather than on sound science. We have lost
millions and millions of acres of forests, as well as the species
that inhabit these forests, to catastrophic fires which would have
been prevented with proper management. The Wilderness and Wildlands
Project advocates have no problem continuing to achieve their agenda
and unscientific ideology through the lack of forest management.
The core management policies in the Healthy Forests Initiative are
supported by Dr. Patrick Moore, one of the founders of Greenpeace, in
his book Green Spirit - Trees Are The Answer. Dr. Moore became
disillusioned with Greenpeace and the environmental movement when
they turned from science based solutions to an agenda and ideology
that has nothing to do with science. For more information see his web
site at: <http://www.greenspirit.com/>http://www.greenspirit.com/ .
Dr. Moore is featured in an upcoming episode of Bob Vila's Home
improvement show touring a sustainable forestry operation:
<http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/index.html?/BVTV/HomeAgain/Season13/1301_Episodes/1321_Description.htm>http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/index.html?/BVTV/HomeAgain/Season13/1301_Episodes/1321_Description.htm
Improving the health of our forests to reduce the risk of insects,
diseases and catastrophic wildfires is a top priority for President
Bush. His proposals will modernize regulations clearing the way for
responsible management that focuses on protecting forests,
watersheds, wildlife and communities. Your comment letters, as well
as your employees', that express support for the changes President
Bush is proposing are critically important.
Please take the time to act and let your support be known to policy
makers using the automated system provided by the link below. It will
ensure we do have forests to enjoy.
<http://capwiz.com/landsense/issues/alert/?alertid=1157026&type=CU>http://capwiz.com/landsense/issues/alert/?alertid=1157026&type=CU
Below is a story taken from the Arizona Game & Fish Department
Wildlife News which shows the benefits of management policies similar
to those proposed by the Healthy Forests Initiative. Following the
story is a link that will give you the opportunity to not only
protect our forests using sound policies based on science, but
protect your access to the forest as well.
Arizona Game & Fish Department
WILDLIFE NEWS
Jan. 6, 2003
Vol. 51 No. 01
Study Shows Fire Severity Less On Treated Portions of the Forest
A recent U.S. Forest Service study shows that the Rodeo-Chediski Fire
typically burned with less severity in areas that had undergone
management treatments such as controlled burns or thinning.
The "Rodeo-Chediski Fire Effects Summary Report, August 2002" written
by the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forests demonstrates that forest
treatments are beneficial even when there is an extreme fire-behavior
event during a record-breaking drought.
Lloyd Wilmes, the assistant fire management officer on the
Apache-Sitgreaves National Forests, says it is clear from the report
that forest management treatments reducing tree crown densities,
raising canopy heights and reducing ground surface fuels can result
in more low intensity fires that provide sustainable wildlife habitat.
Such fires provide openings in tree canopies, reduce choked, brushy
under-story and help regenerate vegetation and forage that is
necessary for a wildlife population to be healthy and thrive, Wilmes
says.
To compile the report, the Forest Service took all vegetative, fuel
and prescribed fire treatments within the Rodeo-Chediski Fire area
for the past 15 years and overlaid them on a burn severity map. The
resulting overlay map shows the level of burning within each
particular management treatment area.
Forest Service personnel currently use one or more of five methods to
treat forest habitats.
1) Fuel treatments consisting of thinning, chipping and pile
burning to reduce flammable materials.
2) Prescribed fire treatments utilizing broadcast burning to
reduce fuel loads and regenerate grasses and shrubs.
3) Pre-commercial treatments consisting of thinning, chipping
and/or lopping small trees.
4) Commercial treatments including large-diameter tree removal,
seed cutting, regeneration, and thinning.
5) Salvage treatments involving removing salvageable trees and
accumulated fuels after a wildfire.
The report states that with one exception, pre-commercial thinning,
each treatment type showed a significantly smaller percentage of its
area in the high severity burn classification than those areas that
were not treated.
Additionally, the moderate and high severity percentages together
were significantly smaller than the low and unburned classifications
in similar treatment types. This observation is also substantiated by
data gathered from monitoring plots established within treated and
untreated areas.
The report shows that prescribed fires were an effective tool in
protecting some forested areas within the Rodeo-Chediski Fire because
they reduced fuels that contributed to the spread and intensity of
fire. This type of treatment was more effective where it had occurred
in the past 10 years.
The report further states that the overall effectiveness of a
prescribed fire is related to the year the burn was done, the size of
the area treated, its ability to reduce live and dead fuels within
the area treated and the general stand condition. Those stands that
had significant brush species regenerating in the understory burned
with higher intensities than those more recently treated with
prescribed fire.
Experts point out that properly administered, consistent treatments
on forest habitats reduce the potential for catastrophic wildfire
events. Using treatment activities as a forest management tool is
good for the forest, good for wildlife and also good for users of the
forest, including recreationists and people who depend on it for
their livelihood, Wilmes says.
The Forest Service report also shows that forested areas with brushy
understories occurred on more than half of the area burned, and
contributed to some of the highest burn severities during the fire.
Because of these findings, Forest Service personnel are recommending
that prescribed fires be implemented with high enough intensities and
with a frequency interval necessary to keep fuel loads in check.
The fire severity map graphically depicts low severity burn areas
that correlate with past fuel and timber management activities.
Although the extent of survival rates for existing tree stands will
not be determined for three years or more, their probability for
survival is enhanced, given their current condition. This contrasts
the stark mortality shown in the majority of untreated stands.
The study demonstrates that past management practices also influenced
the fire's behavior at many intervals during its progression.
Previously accomplished work lowered the intensities of the fire,
diminished the rate spread and altered the direction of the prominent
spread significantly.
For instance, the report shows that the eastern flank of the fire
that threatened Show Low and Pinetop-Lakeside was controlled because
of fuel reduction treatments that had occurred previously in the area.
Fires did spread through previously burned areas, but they flanked
around the treated areas first, giving firefighters additional time
to enact protection measures that saved many houses and other
structures.
The report points out additional benefits such as lowering
rehabilitation costs in treated areas while also reducing costly
erosion.
End of story.
INFORMATION LINKS ON THE WILDLANDS PROJECT:
The Wildlands Project <http://www.twp.org/>http://www.twp.org/
The California Wilderness Campaign touts its support of the Wildlands
Project on its web site:
<http://www.calwild.org/campaigns/cwp.php>http://www.calwild.org/campaigns/cwp.php
The following site provides information on the Wildlands Project
using the words of the founders of the movement, including Dave
Forman, one of the founders of Earth First:
<http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/efj/primer/WhyEF!.html>http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/efj/primer/WhyEF!.html
Wilderness bills as well as the movement to remove Dams and
Reservoir's, is just a part of the agenda to bring the Wildlands
Project to fruition.
Earth First described this campaign on their web site:
<http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/efj/primer/different.html>http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/efj/primer/different.html
To view the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Healthy Forest Proposal
Guidance Documents:
<http://endangered.fws.gov/consultations/forestplan.html>http://endangered.fws.gov/consultations/forestplan.html
BOB VILA AND PATRICK MOORE TOUR SUSTAINABLE FORESTRY OPERATION.
Bob Vila tours the Han**** Land Company's sustainable forestry
operation in Casco, Maine, with noted environmentalist Patrick Moore
and learns how they balance their harvesting operation in order to
keep the forests healthy.
TITLE: Wood Floor Finishing
Project: Modern Colonial
Episode: 21 (Show 1321)
Air date: January 20-26, 2003 (View TV Schedule)
<http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/index.html?/BVTV/HomeAgain/Season13/1301_Episodes/1321_Description.htm>http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/index.html?/BVTV/HomeAgain/Season13/1301_Episodes/1321_Description.htm
Buy Episode Video:
<http://www.bobvila.com/ProductServices/index.html?http://store.yahoo.com/bobvilashopping/bv-video-ha1321.html>http://www.bobvila.com/ProductServices/index.html?http://store.yahoo.com/bobvilashopping/bv-video-ha1321.html
EPISODE SUMMARY: Flooring specialist Howard Brickman joins Bob in
this episode to sand the old growth white oak floors in the project
house. Brickman demonstrates his techniques, with a focus on being
thorough in order to achieve a smooth, even finish. He uses a variety
of sanders and buffers, before finally applying several coats of
tongue oil. At the sister project, Brickman tackles the pine floor in
the master bedroom.
Offsite, Bob tours the Han**** Land Company's sustainable forestry
operation in Casco, Maine, with noted environmentalist Patrick Moore
and learns how they balance their harvesting operation in order to
keep the forests healthy.
<http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/index.html?/BVTV/HomeAgain/Season13/1301_Episodes/>http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/index.html?/BVTV/HomeAgain/Season13/1301_Episodes/
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75734 From: daaver <daver@i...> <daver@i...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:07am
Subject: Re: shackle reversal
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "dbkcs <dbkcs@y...>" <dbkcs@y...>
wrote:
> Well actually I usually rely on real world experience rather than
> shops.
?????
> Now if someone can give me some pro's and con's
> on the shackle reversal it would be appreciated.
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/susp/elkcahs/
> Unfortunately he is out of town right now and his experience is in
> doing mods and wrench turning and not real world.
?????
75735 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:10am
Subject: TIME RUNNING OUT FOR LEWIS AND CLARK'S WILD LANDS
The below is an example of the emotional rhetoric that is being
released. The green spin cycle is picking up.
Multiple use advocates cannot afford to sit back and hope the
administration is supportive. We need a viable public relation
campaign.
TIME RUNNING OUT FOR LEWIS AND CLARK'S WILD LANDS
By J.R. Pegg
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Virginia, January 16, 2003 (ENS) - Much of the wild
America documented 200 years ago by Lewis and Clark has disappeared
or is under threat from development or pollution. Vast tracts of
forests are gone, rivers have been diverted and polluted, and
wildlife is crowded out of historic habitat.
For full text and graphics visit:
http://ens-news.com/ens/jan2003/2003-01-16-10.asp
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
75736 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:16am
Subject: Re: SOA / SHACKLE REVERSAL
Yeah, It does seem a little harsh this morning, sorry.
john
----- Original Message -----
From: <daron.hargadine@y...>
To: "Halverson" <byrnec@q...>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: SOA / SHACKLE REVERSAL
> Hey John, Take it easy, it may be a new member that doesn't know
> computer etiquette. Everyone has to learn sometime! Hell I even had
> to learn the hard way!! LOL! Why didn't you just answer his question
> and give him a friendly hint? Happy Wheeling!
>
> Daron
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> > On the left side of your keyboard is a key labeled Caps Lock,
> > Please unlock it and QUIT YELLING AT US!!!!!
> >
> >
> > John Halverson
> > '99TJ
> > '51CJ3A
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <dbkcs@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:52 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] SOA / SHACKLE REVERSAL
> >
> >
> > > NOT TO BE STUPID BUT IS THIS THE SAME OR NOT. IF NOT WHICH IS
> > > BETTER. ALSO BESIDES SHOCKS IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I NEED TO
> > > CHANGE. OTHER THAN TIRES AND RIMS.:D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > >
> > >
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75737 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:20am
Subject: RE: re. intentional trail blockage
Trailhead will work.............. beginning and end will work ..................... the whole thing will work. S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:44 AM
To: Joe Kearney; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Sandee McCullen
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
At what point do you want Co-ords? The trail head?
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee McCullen
To: Joe Kearney ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Jack and I are going out Saturday morning to check the waterfall at the top of Bad Medicine........ anyone interested in joining us is more than welcome. Meeting at the Texaco at 8:00 a.m.
We also need to get some GPS readings on several of the trail heads out there..................... The Enterprise Team wants to have everything done by Feb 5 MGCP meeting so I need ALL GPS coordinances of trails we all use in this area........... ASAP
Also....... REMINDER to ALL............. get GPS readings for the Table Mesa and White Tanks area in to me or the Phoenix Field Office NOW......... hopefully we won't let this issue drop or "put on someone else to do it". Even if they receive duplicate readings thats ok............... more is good. Nothing is bad.
THANKS all.......... Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@jrkearney.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:41 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Has this been cleared up or do we want someone to go out and take a look?
I will be willing to go out there Saturday morning around 8:00 at the Texaco in FJ if some others want to go.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee McCullen
To: Martin Ward ; enb4w ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:15 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
I'll post Saturday or Sunday as soon as I get a confirmation from those going. Probably meet at the Texaco around 8:30 a.m. Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Ward [mailto:martinida@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:24 PM
To: enb4w; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Sandee McCullen
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
If my front ARB is up and running I would like to run with you all.
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee McCullen
To: enb4w ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
BLM did not do this................... yes, it's possible the miner did this but this waterfall is well onto BLM lands......... not private. Jack and I will go out this weekend and take a look. Anyone interested in tagging along?
Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: enb4w [mailto:enb4w@earnhardt.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:10 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Let me throw a wrench into everyone’s thinking. That is the area with the minor. Is it not possible that he did the blasting because he didn’t want people coming through his mine area? Before somebody goes off blaming the BLM that should be looked at and figured out…..
That’s my two cents…..
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@theriver.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Don’t know couldn’t tell you. I don’t know the trails at FJ to have any clue. If I new my way around and had lockers I would go check it out tomorrow.
Clint
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@cableaz.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:43 PM
To: Clint Ramsey; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Clint, all...........
Jack just plotted Gary's coordinances and his plot shows the top of Bad Medicine.................... That's all I know. S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@theriver.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:42 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
This is what I got when I entered the coordinates at topozone
Here's a USGS topographic map from the TopoZone!
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=12&n=3671430&e=482958&s=25
Clint Ramsey
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75738 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:40am
Subject: Re: re. intentional trail blockage
Sandee,
Can you list some of the trails that you have coords for? This will
help some of us know what you need.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
wrote:
> Trailhead will work.............. beginning and end will work
> ..................... the whole thing will work. S.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@h...]
> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:44 AM
> To: Joe Kearney; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Sandee McCullen
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> At what point do you want Co-ords? The trail head?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sandee McCullen
> To: Joe Kearney ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:35 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> Jack and I are going out Saturday morning to check the
waterfall at the
> top of Bad Medicine........ anyone interested in joining us is
more than
> welcome. Meeting at the Texaco at 8:00 a.m.
>
> We also need to get some GPS readings on several of the trail
heads out
> there..................... The Enterprise Team wants to have
everything
> done by Feb 5 MGCP meeting so I need ALL GPS coordinances of trails
we all
> use in this area........... ASAP
>
> Also....... REMINDER to ALL............. get GPS readings for
the
> Table Mesa and White Tanks area in to me or the Phoenix Field Office
> NOW......... hopefully we won't let this issue drop or "put on
someone else
> to do it". Even if they receive duplicate readings thats
ok...............
> more is good. Nothing is bad.
>
> THANKS all.......... Sandee
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@j...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:41 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> Has this been cleared up or do we want someone to go out and
take a
> look?
> I will be willing to go out there Saturday morning around
8:00 at the
> Texaco in FJ if some others want to go.
>
> Joe Kearney
> Joe-CJ7@J...
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sandee McCullen
> To: Martin Ward ; enb4w ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:15 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> I'll post Saturday or Sunday as soon as I get a
confirmation from
> those going. Probably meet at the Texaco around 8:30 a.m. Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Ward [mailto:martinida@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:24 PM
> To: enb4w; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Sandee McCullen
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> If my front ARB is up and running I would like to run
with you
> all.
>
> Martin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sandee McCullen
> To: enb4w ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> BLM did not do this................... yes, it's
possible the
> miner did this but this waterfall is well onto BLM lands.........
not
> private. Jack and I will go out this weekend and take a look.
Anyone
> interested in tagging along?
> Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: enb4w [mailto:enb4w@e...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:10 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> Let me throw a wrench into everyone's thinking. That
is the
> area with the minor. Is it not possible that he did the blasting
because he
> didn't want people coming through his mine area? Before somebody
goes off
> blaming the BLM that should be looked at and figured out…..
>
>
>
> That's my two cents…..
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@t...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
>
> Don't know couldn't tell you. I don't know the
trails at FJ
> to have any clue. If I new my way around and had lockers I would
go check
> it out tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Clint
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:43 PM
> To: Clint Ramsey; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
>
> Clint, all...........
>
> Jack just plotted Gary's coordinances and his plot
shows the
> top of Bad Medicine.................... That's all I know. S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@t...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:42 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
> This is what I got when I entered the coordinates at
> topozone
>
> Here's a USGS topographic map from the TopoZone!
>
> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?
z=12&n=3671430&e=482958&s=25
>
>
>
> Clint Ramsey
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75739 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:09am
Subject: [FS] front d-30 for tj
Price: 200
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
2000 tj dana 30 rotor to rotor 3.07/open
diff. minus all brackets.
Scott McKinzie
75740 From: Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...> <ablockalypse@y...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:12am
Subject: CB Sales
Anybody have or know of a good shop to get a radio. I'm on a pretty
limited (wife imposed) budget so some suggestions on best bang for
the buck would be appreciated. While I do need one, it's funny that
this started because my wife likes how the antanae sways back and
forth. (I'll never understand women)
Thanks
Phil
75741 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:13am
Subject: [FS] rear d/35 tj
Price: 100
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
2000 tj rear dana 35 3.07/opendiff
drum to drum minus all brackets.
Scott McKinzie
75742 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:13am
Subject: [FS] rear d/35 tj
Price: 100
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
2000 tj rear dana 35 3.07/opendiff
drum to drum minus all brackets.
Scott McKinzie
75743 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:15am
Subject: [FS] 3" teraflex tj springs
Price: 100
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
Scott McKinzie
75744 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:17am
Subject: [FS] 4 - 13/4" coil spacers
Price: 40.00
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
Scott McKinzie
75745 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:18am
Subject: [FS] 4 - 13/4" coil spacers
Price: 40.00
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
Scott McKinzie
75746 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:20am
Subject: [FS] 5- 15x10 black wheels 5 on 4 1/2
Price: 100.00
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
Scott McKinzie
75747 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:23am
Subject: [Tech] 2000 TJ - going full width
im going to full width axles on my tj. has anyone attempted this or have any helpful hints? please call me at 602-359-0209
Scott McKinzie
75748 From: Scott Edwards <azcj@y...> <azcj@y...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:26am
Subject: Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a LOjack
One thing about Lojack that I forgot to mention, and haven't heard
anyone else mention, is that if the vehicle is not recovered within
30 days, they pay up to $2500. My deductable is $500, which is what I
paid for the Lojack. That means that if it doesn't do its job, I
didn't loose any money on it. Yes, I am out that money that I could
have used for other mods right now. I'd rather increase the chances
of getting my vehicle back quickly because while the insurance might
cover the cost of the Jeep and the parts on it, it doesn't cover the
hours and hours of time I have spent installing and maintaining those
parts. I like the added comfort of knowing that there's a chance that
if I don't hear my alarm go off (no one else will care since alarms
go off all the time) so I can run out with flashlight and Glock in
hand (hopefully wearing more than Scott K was a while back :), at
least someone might be able to track it down before it crosses the
border.
-Scott Edwards
'97 TJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> MOST vehicles stolen aren't yours so why worry at all? Probably
removal
> of the coil wire will keep most car thieves away. But what if you
have a
> 40 thousand dollar Jeep? Well most don't but a few do and I would
> suggest an upgrade from a simple switch.
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith [mailto:khaw@n...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:09 PM
> To: Joey@d...; arizonajeep@c...; 'Richard Logan';
> azcj@y...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a LOjack
>
> That's true, but your talking repo not thiefs. I'd be willing to
bet if
> you
> check most thiefs work on the 2 guys method. That is, 2, or more,
guys
> pull
> up in a car, 1 jumps out, pops yours and they both drive off. It's
> quieter
> and less conspicuous. Atleast that's my thinking.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
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75749 From: Richard Logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:34am
Subject: dont get jacked get....
Well I did not mean to stir the pot buuttt from what I have read here locally mesa has had some good success and on the net. For me personally I think it is a requirement in Car Theft 101 on how to bypass the kill switch before they move to ct 102. For me the savings on insurance will more than pay for it within months. AZ does have the highest Car theft rate in nation. Also in my humble opinion that if they are going to get the car they will butttt on the other hand I also feel that with the new features they offer i.e.: LoJack that I would have a good chance to get it back annnnnnnnnnnnd have the desperados taken off the street and granted Mexico I am out a jeep. Also if they have trouble starting high probability just PO anger vandalism etc Bottom since I am an Old Geezer It would give me a comfort level. Guns are out I have been to Vietnam and taking another life is not a option unless extreme circumstances and life threatening cituation I could not get out of (my thoughts only) So buy the mods and JEEP ON
Rick Logan
75750 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:29am
Subject: [FS] CUSTOM BUMPERS, FABRICATION, AND WELDING REPAIRS
Price:
Contact: Email: metalman85308@cox.net Phone: 602-319-2906
Bad AZ Bumpers
Front Bumpers starting at $125
Rear Bumper/ Tire Carrier starting at $300
Custom Fab Work
Welding Repairs
Custom built, Rugged bumpers for you Jeep Check out my
website for more info at WWW.BADAZBUMPERS.COM Or
email me at METALMAN85308@COX.NET
Phone: 602-319-2906
Glenn Luby
75751 From: Richard Logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:37am
Subject: jacked jeep get a looooooooooooooooo
You go Scott nicly put that is about how I feel
Rick Logan
75727 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:17am
Subject: RE: Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a LOjack
MOST vehicles stolen aren't yours so why worry at all? Probably removal
of the coil wire will keep most car thieves away. But what if you have a
40 thousand dollar Jeep? Well most don't but a few do and I would
suggest an upgrade from a simple switch.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith [mailto:khaw@n...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:09 PM
To: Joey@d...; arizonajeep@c...; 'Richard Logan';
azcj@y...
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a LOjack
That's true, but your talking repo not thiefs. I'd be willing to bet if
you
check most thiefs work on the 2 guys method. That is, 2, or more, guys
pull
up in a car, 1 jumps out, pops yours and they both drive off. It's
quieter
and less conspicuous. Atleast that's my thinking.
Keith
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75728 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:18am
Subject: [FS] AX15 TRANSMISSION (5 speed for 6cyl. motor) $250.00
Price: $250.00
Contact: 602-579-5132
ax15 transmission 5 speed for a 6cyl. motor $250.00 has bell housing &; shifter with it. or will trade for a (AX5 transmission for a 4cyl. YJ wrangler 1990)
Bruce Boc
75729 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:24am
Subject: [FS] HARD TOP (for CJ8 SCAMBLER) IN GREAT SHAPE $400.00
Price: $400.00
Contact: 602-579-5132
HARD TOP for CJ8 with body panel in great shape $400.00 firm. or will trade for a (AX5 transmission for a 4cyl. 5speed YJ wrangler 1990) call 602-579-5132
Bruce Boc
75730 From: AzVJC Website <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:31am
Subject: [FS] RE chromoly tie rod
Price: $60
Contact: azjeep@cox.net
Rubicon Express heavy duty chromoly tie rod, with fairly new t/r ends.
New they run round $110 w/o t/r ends.
Doug Ballard
75731 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:34am
Subject: RE: [OT]Anyone w/ towing exp w/ a Dodge 4.7?
Doug!!!
You got rid of your older Dodge and got a new one? WITH A HEMI????
Wow!!! I want to see that MOTOR!!!
(Im going to come steal it out of your truck and put it in my Jeep)
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:35 AM
To: AZVJC; Shawn Passmore
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT]Anyone w/ towing exp w/ a Dodge 4.7?
The 5.9 puts out 245hp...sounds like the 4.7 puts out slightly more. Not sure about the torque comparison. I had the 5.9 and it towed just fine (6500lbs or so), but the new Hemi (5.7) is really amazing. Puts out a full 100hp more than the 5.9. And puts out more torque to boot (at a higher rpm). If you haven't yet bought the 2003, they are now offering it w/ the Hemi as an option. Well worth it. I loves me Hemi.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn Passmore
To: AZVJC
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT]Anyone w/ towing exp w/ a Dodge 4.7?
John,
I have a 5.9 L in my 97 Dodge so I can't speak from experience about the 4.7
But this is what Motortrend said about it:
"
Power from Chrysler's next-generation single-cam 4.7L 16-valve V-8 feels adequate, but not exceptional, at least in this heavy 4x4. It's rated 240 hp at 4800 rpm and 300 lb-ft at 3200 rpm. Coupled with the optional 45RFE multi-speed automatic, in which a computer chooses gearing to suit your driving style and needs, acceleration feels decent, but, at times, a bit sluggish. We'd guess the multi-speed in our preproduction Ram sometimes misunderstood our journalistic acceleration desires. Until the 5.7L Hemi V-8 replaces the old 5.9L Magnum V-8 as the top option, the 4.7 is our engine of choice. A 3.7L/215-hp V-6 is available only on the 2WD regular cab truck (we'd recommend it only if you're buying 25 trucks for a road-construction crew). A five-speed manual is available in all Ram iterations except for those equipped with the 5.9."
I don't usually care what motortrend thinks about vehicles but their show on the new Hemi was nice to see!!! Now if I could just afford one!!!!
Good luck!
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com
To: az_vjc@YahooGroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:53 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT]Anyone w/ towing exp w/ a Dodge 4.7?
I am was wondering if anyone here has any expeirence or knows of someone, towing with a newer Dodge 1500 4.7 liter motor. (Yes, I know it is a small motor, but have to work on a tight budget, looking at my options and doing homework) Im looking to tow up to 6000 lbs on occasion and was wondering how it does and looking for real world input...
Thank You Much
Best regards
John Kanicsar
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75732 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:40am
Subject: [FS] 1990 YJ WRANGLER $2500.00 ( needs trans work)
Price: $2500.00
Contact: 602-579-5132
1990 YJ WRANGLER 4cyl.,5 speed,(needs trans work),motor runs great,body in good shape,soft top(no doors),only has 104,000 miles on it,wind sheild is cracked,stering column needs some work but not busted up. RED in color with GRAY interior &; black top.(RUNS &; DRIVES BUT ONLY IN 4th GEAR) $2500.00 call 602-579-5132 ask for Bruce
Bruce Boc
75733 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:00am
Subject: Fwd: Access Alert - Healthy Forests Initiative Update
From: "Warrior's Society" <avargas714@a...>
To: "Warrior's Society" <countingcoup@w...>
Subject: Access Alert - Healthy Forests Initiative Update
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:15:46 -0800
X-Priority: 1 (Highest)
Importance: High
HEALTHY FORESTS INITIATIVE UPDATE
An important initiative to protect our forests and our access
Although the preservationist/environmental movement seeks to portray
the Healthy Forests Initiative as "yet another Bush assault against
the environment," that is far from the truth. Everyone has opinions -
but what do the facts indicate as being at risk? Natural resource /
fish & wildlife / forestry management science are sciences - no less
than medicine or mechanical engineering. There are professional
standards and extensive independent peer reviews for research before
it is recognized as valid.
The anti-use preservationists/environmentalists are frequently guilty
of presenting bogus science, research and surveys on fish and
wildlife issues that meet their needs - but which fail to measure up
against accepted scientific standards or even simple integrity. The
preservationist/environmental positions all sound very logical to the
public - and the majority of the press lacks the necessary background
to even recognize let alone challenge bogus science.
As we have stated before, the wilderness advocates seem to see any
forest management policy that would stop the push for wilderness
areas as a threat. Since the fuel treatment methods require
"mechanical methods," they pose a threat to the push for wilderness
designations, which bans anything mechanized. Even in areas that have
diseased or beetle infested forests,
preservationists/environmentalists have opposed logging and thinning
programs validated by sound science, and in some areas, such as the
pine forests of Eastern Oregon, you can find hundreds of acres of
dead trees, waiting to ignite.
The federal lands in California being proposed for wilderness are
presently protected from development, abuse, etc. under law and
policy. The Healthy Forests Initiative management methods will not
remove those protections. There is no hard evidence that would
indicate that sweeping new wilderness areas are warranted. We have
heard a lot of emotional "The sky is falling" rhetoric from the
preservationist/environmental movement, but I have yet to see any
evidence of legitimate threats to wild lands that cannot be dealt
with effectively under existing environmental laws, such as the NEPA
process.
The push for Wilderness areas and the opposition to the Healthy
Forests Initiative has more to do with restricting legitimate
historical recreational access and sustainable commercial activities
on public lands. The policies of the preservationist/environmental
movement and the Wildlands Project (in which they are based - see the
informational links at the end of this update) have more to do with
the goal of limiting all access to the forests, save for the
"enlightened few", rather than on sound science. We have lost
millions and millions of acres of forests, as well as the species
that inhabit these forests, to catastrophic fires which would have
been prevented with proper management. The Wilderness and Wildlands
Project advocates have no problem continuing to achieve their agenda
and unscientific ideology through the lack of forest management.
The core management policies in the Healthy Forests Initiative are
supported by Dr. Patrick Moore, one of the founders of Greenpeace, in
his book Green Spirit - Trees Are The Answer. Dr. Moore became
disillusioned with Greenpeace and the environmental movement when
they turned from science based solutions to an agenda and ideology
that has nothing to do with science. For more information see his web
site at: <http://www.greenspirit.com/>http://www.greenspirit.com/ .
Dr. Moore is featured in an upcoming episode of Bob Vila's Home
improvement show touring a sustainable forestry operation:
<http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/index.html?/BVTV/HomeAgain/Season13/1301_Episodes/1321_Description.htm>http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/index.html?/BVTV/HomeAgain/Season13/1301_Episodes/1321_Description.htm
Improving the health of our forests to reduce the risk of insects,
diseases and catastrophic wildfires is a top priority for President
Bush. His proposals will modernize regulations clearing the way for
responsible management that focuses on protecting forests,
watersheds, wildlife and communities. Your comment letters, as well
as your employees', that express support for the changes President
Bush is proposing are critically important.
Please take the time to act and let your support be known to policy
makers using the automated system provided by the link below. It will
ensure we do have forests to enjoy.
<http://capwiz.com/landsense/issues/alert/?alertid=1157026&type=CU>http://capwiz.com/landsense/issues/alert/?alertid=1157026&type=CU
Below is a story taken from the Arizona Game & Fish Department
Wildlife News which shows the benefits of management policies similar
to those proposed by the Healthy Forests Initiative. Following the
story is a link that will give you the opportunity to not only
protect our forests using sound policies based on science, but
protect your access to the forest as well.
Arizona Game & Fish Department
WILDLIFE NEWS
Jan. 6, 2003
Vol. 51 No. 01
Study Shows Fire Severity Less On Treated Portions of the Forest
A recent U.S. Forest Service study shows that the Rodeo-Chediski Fire
typically burned with less severity in areas that had undergone
management treatments such as controlled burns or thinning.
The "Rodeo-Chediski Fire Effects Summary Report, August 2002" written
by the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forests demonstrates that forest
treatments are beneficial even when there is an extreme fire-behavior
event during a record-breaking drought.
Lloyd Wilmes, the assistant fire management officer on the
Apache-Sitgreaves National Forests, says it is clear from the report
that forest management treatments reducing tree crown densities,
raising canopy heights and reducing ground surface fuels can result
in more low intensity fires that provide sustainable wildlife habitat.
Such fires provide openings in tree canopies, reduce choked, brushy
under-story and help regenerate vegetation and forage that is
necessary for a wildlife population to be healthy and thrive, Wilmes
says.
To compile the report, the Forest Service took all vegetative, fuel
and prescribed fire treatments within the Rodeo-Chediski Fire area
for the past 15 years and overlaid them on a burn severity map. The
resulting overlay map shows the level of burning within each
particular management treatment area.
Forest Service personnel currently use one or more of five methods to
treat forest habitats.
1) Fuel treatments consisting of thinning, chipping and pile
burning to reduce flammable materials.
2) Prescribed fire treatments utilizing broadcast burning to
reduce fuel loads and regenerate grasses and shrubs.
3) Pre-commercial treatments consisting of thinning, chipping
and/or lopping small trees.
4) Commercial treatments including large-diameter tree removal,
seed cutting, regeneration, and thinning.
5) Salvage treatments involving removing salvageable trees and
accumulated fuels after a wildfire.
The report states that with one exception, pre-commercial thinning,
each treatment type showed a significantly smaller percentage of its
area in the high severity burn classification than those areas that
were not treated.
Additionally, the moderate and high severity percentages together
were significantly smaller than the low and unburned classifications
in similar treatment types. This observation is also substantiated by
data gathered from monitoring plots established within treated and
untreated areas.
The report shows that prescribed fires were an effective tool in
protecting some forested areas within the Rodeo-Chediski Fire because
they reduced fuels that contributed to the spread and intensity of
fire. This type of treatment was more effective where it had occurred
in the past 10 years.
The report further states that the overall effectiveness of a
prescribed fire is related to the year the burn was done, the size of
the area treated, its ability to reduce live and dead fuels within
the area treated and the general stand condition. Those stands that
had significant brush species regenerating in the understory burned
with higher intensities than those more recently treated with
prescribed fire.
Experts point out that properly administered, consistent treatments
on forest habitats reduce the potential for catastrophic wildfire
events. Using treatment activities as a forest management tool is
good for the forest, good for wildlife and also good for users of the
forest, including recreationists and people who depend on it for
their livelihood, Wilmes says.
The Forest Service report also shows that forested areas with brushy
understories occurred on more than half of the area burned, and
contributed to some of the highest burn severities during the fire.
Because of these findings, Forest Service personnel are recommending
that prescribed fires be implemented with high enough intensities and
with a frequency interval necessary to keep fuel loads in check.
The fire severity map graphically depicts low severity burn areas
that correlate with past fuel and timber management activities.
Although the extent of survival rates for existing tree stands will
not be determined for three years or more, their probability for
survival is enhanced, given their current condition. This contrasts
the stark mortality shown in the majority of untreated stands.
The study demonstrates that past management practices also influenced
the fire's behavior at many intervals during its progression.
Previously accomplished work lowered the intensities of the fire,
diminished the rate spread and altered the direction of the prominent
spread significantly.
For instance, the report shows that the eastern flank of the fire
that threatened Show Low and Pinetop-Lakeside was controlled because
of fuel reduction treatments that had occurred previously in the area.
Fires did spread through previously burned areas, but they flanked
around the treated areas first, giving firefighters additional time
to enact protection measures that saved many houses and other
structures.
The report points out additional benefits such as lowering
rehabilitation costs in treated areas while also reducing costly
erosion.
End of story.
INFORMATION LINKS ON THE WILDLANDS PROJECT:
The Wildlands Project <http://www.twp.org/>http://www.twp.org/
The California Wilderness Campaign touts its support of the Wildlands
Project on its web site:
<http://www.calwild.org/campaigns/cwp.php>http://www.calwild.org/campaigns/cwp.php
The following site provides information on the Wildlands Project
using the words of the founders of the movement, including Dave
Forman, one of the founders of Earth First:
<http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/efj/primer/WhyEF!.html>http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/efj/primer/WhyEF!.html
Wilderness bills as well as the movement to remove Dams and
Reservoir's, is just a part of the agenda to bring the Wildlands
Project to fruition.
Earth First described this campaign on their web site:
<http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/efj/primer/different.html>http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/efj/primer/different.html
To view the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Healthy Forest Proposal
Guidance Documents:
<http://endangered.fws.gov/consultations/forestplan.html>http://endangered.fws.gov/consultations/forestplan.html
BOB VILA AND PATRICK MOORE TOUR SUSTAINABLE FORESTRY OPERATION.
Bob Vila tours the Han**** Land Company's sustainable forestry
operation in Casco, Maine, with noted environmentalist Patrick Moore
and learns how they balance their harvesting operation in order to
keep the forests healthy.
TITLE: Wood Floor Finishing
Project: Modern Colonial
Episode: 21 (Show 1321)
Air date: January 20-26, 2003 (View TV Schedule)
<http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/index.html?/BVTV/HomeAgain/Season13/1301_Episodes/1321_Description.htm>http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/index.html?/BVTV/HomeAgain/Season13/1301_Episodes/1321_Description.htm
Buy Episode Video:
<http://www.bobvila.com/ProductServices/index.html?http://store.yahoo.com/bobvilashopping/bv-video-ha1321.html>http://www.bobvila.com/ProductServices/index.html?http://store.yahoo.com/bobvilashopping/bv-video-ha1321.html
EPISODE SUMMARY: Flooring specialist Howard Brickman joins Bob in
this episode to sand the old growth white oak floors in the project
house. Brickman demonstrates his techniques, with a focus on being
thorough in order to achieve a smooth, even finish. He uses a variety
of sanders and buffers, before finally applying several coats of
tongue oil. At the sister project, Brickman tackles the pine floor in
the master bedroom.
Offsite, Bob tours the Han**** Land Company's sustainable forestry
operation in Casco, Maine, with noted environmentalist Patrick Moore
and learns how they balance their harvesting operation in order to
keep the forests healthy.
<http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/index.html?/BVTV/HomeAgain/Season13/1301_Episodes/>http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/index.html?/BVTV/HomeAgain/Season13/1301_Episodes/
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75734 From: daaver <daver@i...> <daver@i...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:07am
Subject: Re: shackle reversal
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "dbkcs <dbkcs@y...>" <dbkcs@y...>
wrote:
> Well actually I usually rely on real world experience rather than
> shops.
?????
> Now if someone can give me some pro's and con's
> on the shackle reversal it would be appreciated.
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/susp/elkcahs/
> Unfortunately he is out of town right now and his experience is in
> doing mods and wrench turning and not real world.
?????
75735 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:10am
Subject: TIME RUNNING OUT FOR LEWIS AND CLARK'S WILD LANDS
The below is an example of the emotional rhetoric that is being
released. The green spin cycle is picking up.
Multiple use advocates cannot afford to sit back and hope the
administration is supportive. We need a viable public relation
campaign.
TIME RUNNING OUT FOR LEWIS AND CLARK'S WILD LANDS
By J.R. Pegg
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Virginia, January 16, 2003 (ENS) - Much of the wild
America documented 200 years ago by Lewis and Clark has disappeared
or is under threat from development or pollution. Vast tracts of
forests are gone, rivers have been diverted and polluted, and
wildlife is crowded out of historic habitat.
For full text and graphics visit:
http://ens-news.com/ens/jan2003/2003-01-16-10.asp
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
75736 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:16am
Subject: Re: SOA / SHACKLE REVERSAL
Yeah, It does seem a little harsh this morning, sorry.
john
----- Original Message -----
From: <daron.hargadine@y...>
To: "Halverson" <byrnec@q...>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: SOA / SHACKLE REVERSAL
> Hey John, Take it easy, it may be a new member that doesn't know
> computer etiquette. Everyone has to learn sometime! Hell I even had
> to learn the hard way!! LOL! Why didn't you just answer his question
> and give him a friendly hint? Happy Wheeling!
>
> Daron
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> > On the left side of your keyboard is a key labeled Caps Lock,
> > Please unlock it and QUIT YELLING AT US!!!!!
> >
> >
> > John Halverson
> > '99TJ
> > '51CJ3A
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <dbkcs@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:52 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] SOA / SHACKLE REVERSAL
> >
> >
> > > NOT TO BE STUPID BUT IS THIS THE SAME OR NOT. IF NOT WHICH IS
> > > BETTER. ALSO BESIDES SHOCKS IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I NEED TO
> > > CHANGE. OTHER THAN TIRES AND RIMS.:D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
75737 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:20am
Subject: RE: re. intentional trail blockage
Trailhead will work.............. beginning and end will work ..................... the whole thing will work. S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:44 AM
To: Joe Kearney; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Sandee McCullen
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
At what point do you want Co-ords? The trail head?
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee McCullen
To: Joe Kearney ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Jack and I are going out Saturday morning to check the waterfall at the top of Bad Medicine........ anyone interested in joining us is more than welcome. Meeting at the Texaco at 8:00 a.m.
We also need to get some GPS readings on several of the trail heads out there..................... The Enterprise Team wants to have everything done by Feb 5 MGCP meeting so I need ALL GPS coordinances of trails we all use in this area........... ASAP
Also....... REMINDER to ALL............. get GPS readings for the Table Mesa and White Tanks area in to me or the Phoenix Field Office NOW......... hopefully we won't let this issue drop or "put on someone else to do it". Even if they receive duplicate readings thats ok............... more is good. Nothing is bad.
THANKS all.......... Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@jrkearney.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:41 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Has this been cleared up or do we want someone to go out and take a look?
I will be willing to go out there Saturday morning around 8:00 at the Texaco in FJ if some others want to go.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee McCullen
To: Martin Ward ; enb4w ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:15 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
I'll post Saturday or Sunday as soon as I get a confirmation from those going. Probably meet at the Texaco around 8:30 a.m. Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Ward [mailto:martinida@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:24 PM
To: enb4w; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Sandee McCullen
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
If my front ARB is up and running I would like to run with you all.
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee McCullen
To: enb4w ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
BLM did not do this................... yes, it's possible the miner did this but this waterfall is well onto BLM lands......... not private. Jack and I will go out this weekend and take a look. Anyone interested in tagging along?
Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: enb4w [mailto:enb4w@earnhardt.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:10 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Let me throw a wrench into everyone’s thinking. That is the area with the minor. Is it not possible that he did the blasting because he didn’t want people coming through his mine area? Before somebody goes off blaming the BLM that should be looked at and figured out…..
That’s my two cents…..
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@theriver.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Don’t know couldn’t tell you. I don’t know the trails at FJ to have any clue. If I new my way around and had lockers I would go check it out tomorrow.
Clint
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@cableaz.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:43 PM
To: Clint Ramsey; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Clint, all...........
Jack just plotted Gary's coordinances and his plot shows the top of Bad Medicine.................... That's all I know. S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@theriver.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:42 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
This is what I got when I entered the coordinates at topozone
Here's a USGS topographic map from the TopoZone!
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=12&n=3671430&e=482958&s=25
Clint Ramsey
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75738 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:40am
Subject: Re: re. intentional trail blockage
Sandee,
Can you list some of the trails that you have coords for? This will
help some of us know what you need.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
wrote:
> Trailhead will work.............. beginning and end will work
> ..................... the whole thing will work. S.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Beckham [mailto:jeepnut7261@h...]
> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:44 AM
> To: Joe Kearney; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Sandee McCullen
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> At what point do you want Co-ords? The trail head?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sandee McCullen
> To: Joe Kearney ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:35 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> Jack and I are going out Saturday morning to check the
waterfall at the
> top of Bad Medicine........ anyone interested in joining us is
more than
> welcome. Meeting at the Texaco at 8:00 a.m.
>
> We also need to get some GPS readings on several of the trail
heads out
> there..................... The Enterprise Team wants to have
everything
> done by Feb 5 MGCP meeting so I need ALL GPS coordinances of trails
we all
> use in this area........... ASAP
>
> Also....... REMINDER to ALL............. get GPS readings for
the
> Table Mesa and White Tanks area in to me or the Phoenix Field Office
> NOW......... hopefully we won't let this issue drop or "put on
someone else
> to do it". Even if they receive duplicate readings thats
ok...............
> more is good. Nothing is bad.
>
> THANKS all.......... Sandee
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@j...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:41 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> Has this been cleared up or do we want someone to go out and
take a
> look?
> I will be willing to go out there Saturday morning around
8:00 at the
> Texaco in FJ if some others want to go.
>
> Joe Kearney
> Joe-CJ7@J...
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sandee McCullen
> To: Martin Ward ; enb4w ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:15 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> I'll post Saturday or Sunday as soon as I get a
confirmation from
> those going. Probably meet at the Texaco around 8:30 a.m. Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Ward [mailto:martinida@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:24 PM
> To: enb4w; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Sandee McCullen
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> If my front ARB is up and running I would like to run
with you
> all.
>
> Martin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sandee McCullen
> To: enb4w ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> BLM did not do this................... yes, it's
possible the
> miner did this but this waterfall is well onto BLM lands.........
not
> private. Jack and I will go out this weekend and take a look.
Anyone
> interested in tagging along?
> Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: enb4w [mailto:enb4w@e...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:10 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> Let me throw a wrench into everyone's thinking. That
is the
> area with the minor. Is it not possible that he did the blasting
because he
> didn't want people coming through his mine area? Before somebody
goes off
> blaming the BLM that should be looked at and figured out…..
>
>
>
> That's my two cents…..
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@t...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
>
> Don't know couldn't tell you. I don't know the
trails at FJ
> to have any clue. If I new my way around and had lockers I would
go check
> it out tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Clint
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:43 PM
> To: Clint Ramsey; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
>
> Clint, all...........
>
> Jack just plotted Gary's coordinances and his plot
shows the
> top of Bad Medicine.................... That's all I know. S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@t...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:42 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
> This is what I got when I entered the coordinates at
> topozone
>
> Here's a USGS topographic map from the TopoZone!
>
> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?
z=12&n=3671430&e=482958&s=25
>
>
>
> Clint Ramsey
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75739 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:09am
Subject: [FS] front d-30 for tj
Price: 200
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
2000 tj dana 30 rotor to rotor 3.07/open
diff. minus all brackets.
Scott McKinzie
75740 From: Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...> <ablockalypse@y...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:12am
Subject: CB Sales
Anybody have or know of a good shop to get a radio. I'm on a pretty
limited (wife imposed) budget so some suggestions on best bang for
the buck would be appreciated. While I do need one, it's funny that
this started because my wife likes how the antanae sways back and
forth. (I'll never understand women)
Thanks
Phil
75741 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:13am
Subject: [FS] rear d/35 tj
Price: 100
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
2000 tj rear dana 35 3.07/opendiff
drum to drum minus all brackets.
Scott McKinzie
75742 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:13am
Subject: [FS] rear d/35 tj
Price: 100
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
2000 tj rear dana 35 3.07/opendiff
drum to drum minus all brackets.
Scott McKinzie
75743 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:15am
Subject: [FS] 3" teraflex tj springs
Price: 100
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
Scott McKinzie
75744 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:17am
Subject: [FS] 4 - 13/4" coil spacers
Price: 40.00
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
Scott McKinzie
75745 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:18am
Subject: [FS] 4 - 13/4" coil spacers
Price: 40.00
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
Scott McKinzie
75746 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:20am
Subject: [FS] 5- 15x10 black wheels 5 on 4 1/2
Price: 100.00
Contact: scott 602-359-0209
Scott McKinzie
75747 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:23am
Subject: [Tech] 2000 TJ - going full width
im going to full width axles on my tj. has anyone attempted this or have any helpful hints? please call me at 602-359-0209
Scott McKinzie
75748 From: Scott Edwards <azcj@y...> <azcj@y...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:26am
Subject: Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a LOjack
One thing about Lojack that I forgot to mention, and haven't heard
anyone else mention, is that if the vehicle is not recovered within
30 days, they pay up to $2500. My deductable is $500, which is what I
paid for the Lojack. That means that if it doesn't do its job, I
didn't loose any money on it. Yes, I am out that money that I could
have used for other mods right now. I'd rather increase the chances
of getting my vehicle back quickly because while the insurance might
cover the cost of the Jeep and the parts on it, it doesn't cover the
hours and hours of time I have spent installing and maintaining those
parts. I like the added comfort of knowing that there's a chance that
if I don't hear my alarm go off (no one else will care since alarms
go off all the time) so I can run out with flashlight and Glock in
hand (hopefully wearing more than Scott K was a while back :), at
least someone might be able to track it down before it crosses the
border.
-Scott Edwards
'97 TJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> MOST vehicles stolen aren't yours so why worry at all? Probably
removal
> of the coil wire will keep most car thieves away. But what if you
have a
> 40 thousand dollar Jeep? Well most don't but a few do and I would
> suggest an upgrade from a simple switch.
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith [mailto:khaw@n...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:09 PM
> To: Joey@d...; arizonajeep@c...; 'Richard Logan';
> azcj@y...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a LOjack
>
> That's true, but your talking repo not thiefs. I'd be willing to
bet if
> you
> check most thiefs work on the 2 guys method. That is, 2, or more,
guys
> pull
> up in a car, 1 jumps out, pops yours and they both drive off. It's
> quieter
> and less conspicuous. Atleast that's my thinking.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
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75749 From: Richard Logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:34am
Subject: dont get jacked get....
Well I did not mean to stir the pot buuttt from what I have read here locally mesa has had some good success and on the net. For me personally I think it is a requirement in Car Theft 101 on how to bypass the kill switch before they move to ct 102. For me the savings on insurance will more than pay for it within months. AZ does have the highest Car theft rate in nation. Also in my humble opinion that if they are going to get the car they will butttt on the other hand I also feel that with the new features they offer i.e.: LoJack that I would have a good chance to get it back annnnnnnnnnnnd have the desperados taken off the street and granted Mexico I am out a jeep. Also if they have trouble starting high probability just PO anger vandalism etc Bottom since I am an Old Geezer It would give me a comfort level. Guns are out I have been to Vietnam and taking another life is not a option unless extreme circumstances and life threatening cituation I could not get out of (my thoughts only) So buy the mods and JEEP ON
Rick Logan
75750 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:29am
Subject: [FS] CUSTOM BUMPERS, FABRICATION, AND WELDING REPAIRS
Price:
Contact: Email: metalman85308@cox.net Phone: 602-319-2906
Bad AZ Bumpers
Front Bumpers starting at $125
Rear Bumper/ Tire Carrier starting at $300
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75751 From: Richard Logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:37am
Subject: jacked jeep get a looooooooooooooooo
You go Scott nicly put that is about how I feel
Rick Logan