blooddrive
01-07-2004, 09:38 PM
75626-75650
75626 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:31am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, January 18, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Jeff Cox is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, January 18, 2003.
When: 8:30 a.m. Saturday and Sunday
Where: See below
Rating: None
Length: most of the day
CB Channel:
Wrenching party!
John Halverson and myself are going to install the RE LA upgrade kit to my Jeep this weekend. We would enjoy and appreciate any help. Or just stop by to watch us bust our knuckles :)
The address is 3312 E. Flower Phoenix. That is 1 block south of
Osborn, just east of 32nd St.
Easiest way is to get on the 202, exit on 32nd, go North until you see Flower st. on the east side of the road. Go east on Flower about 300 yards, we will be on the North side of the street.
My cell# 602-402-5425
Hope to see you there.
Jeff Cox
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVERTISEMENT
75627 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:33am
Subject: RE: Re: Scratch and Dent Sale
LOL, no SMALLER bumps, my TJ keeps draggin over them.....I can't get out
of the neighborhood! You know I have a speedbump draggin TJ...
Mike
--- Scott Kruize <skruize@c...> wrote:
> I know why Mike never goes wheeling:
>
> He's been too busy lobbying his homeowners association to make the
> neighborhood speedbumps a bit bigger.
>
> LOL
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: joey@d...; 'Scott Kruize'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: jeepin_in_az@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Scratch and Dent Sale
>
>
> I see how you are Joey, cc his name on the e-mail.....
>
> Just wait till you brake another pin and need it replaced while you are
> on the east side of town....:)
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> --- DesertJeep <Joey@D...> wrote:
> > OOOOoooo
> >
> > Are you going to take that Scott? You could probably just use Mike's
> > Jeep as an RTI ramp to shut him up! LOL
> >
> > :) too much fun
> > Joey K
> > Itty bitty 93YJ
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
> > [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Scratch and Dent Sale
> >
> >
> > Posers that want to look like they wheel, kinda like Scott K.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Towle <James.Towle@a...>"
> > <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > > If it's scratched or dented, who wants it? LOL
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > There is a brand new disc brake Currie Dand 44 rear end for a YJ
> > up
> > > there
> > > > still...not sold.
> > > >
> > > > --Steve
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
> > > > [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:08 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Scratch and Dent Sale
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Damn near everything on there is already sold! LOL -Rob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>"
> > > > <ablockalypse@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Got this in my email, thought some folks on here might be able
> > to
> > > > use
> > > > > some of this stuff. The have some really good prices on soft
> > tops
> > > > and
> > > > > accessories, espcially tinted windows for TJ's. I'm not
> > affiliated
> > > > > with them just passing it along.
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome to the 4Wheel Drive Hardware VIP Scratch & Dent Savings!
> > > > >
> > > > > Enclosed you will find the link to our special section, as well
> > as
> > > > a
> > > > > password you will need to enter the site.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please read all terms and conditions before shopping from this
> > > > > section, and be sure to enter VIPJAN02 when prompted during
> > > > > checkout.
> > > > >
> > > > > All products contained in this section are sold while quantities
> > > > > last. Scratch and Dent products are sold "AS IS".
> > > > >
> > > > > Use this link to access the section:
> > > > > http://www.4wd.com/shop4wd/sale/sdmain.asp
> > > > >
> > > > > Use this password to enter the section: VIPJAN02
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
> http://mailplus.yahoo.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
http://mailplus.yahoo.com
75628 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:35am
Subject: Re: Paint/bedliner adhesion question
My TJ's headlight bezels are plastic. I washed them with mild
detergent, dried them, and applied three even coats of flat black
spray paint to them. They turned out great, and haven't chipped or
scratched yet. I even washed them once last year...
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Beckham" <jeepnut7261@h...> wrote:
> I've re-painted chrome, I buff it lightly with 000 steel wool (the
kind you
> use for a fine wood finish) Then put a couple of layers of good ol'
> rustoleum black on it (gloss or flat, up to you) it doesn't leave
any
> scratch marks, but it allows the paint to stick.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:35 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Paint/bedliner adhesion question
>
>
> > I have heard bedliner, but you could also sand them down a bit,
and
> > the paint should stick to it.
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Bob Jacques <bjacques@m...> wrote:
> > > Can anyone advise me what would be the best way to make the
> > headlight trim
> > > rings on a TJ Black.... It's the last chrome on the jeep and I
want
> > to get
> > > rid of it !! The chrome, not the jeep !.... I remember
someone
> > saying
> > > possibly spray on bedliner ?? Maybe to thick ??? If it looks
like
> > garbage,
> > > I can just buy 2 new ones from DC... What about cutting the
light
> > output??
> > > Any issue there ???... I'm just not sure about adhesion to the
> > > chrome.....Bob J.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
75629 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:38am
Subject: RE: Re: Paint/bedliner adhesion question
Kind of looks like a black eye to me ;)
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:36 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Paint/bedliner adhesion question
My TJ's headlight bezels are plastic. I washed them with mild
detergent, dried them, and applied three even coats of flat black
spray paint to them. They turned out great, and haven't chipped or
scratched yet. I even washed them once last year...
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Beckham" <jeepnut7261@h...> wrote:
> I've re-painted chrome, I buff it lightly with 000 steel wool (the
kind you
> use for a fine wood finish) Then put a couple of layers of good ol'
> rustoleum black on it (gloss or flat, up to you) it doesn't leave
any
> scratch marks, but it allows the paint to stick.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:35 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Paint/bedliner adhesion question
>
>
> > I have heard bedliner, but you could also sand them down a bit,
and
> > the paint should stick to it.
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Bob Jacques <bjacques@m...> wrote:
> > > Can anyone advise me what would be the best way to make the
> > headlight trim
> > > rings on a TJ Black.... It's the last chrome on the jeep and I
want
> > to get
> > > rid of it !! The chrome, not the jeep !.... I remember
someone
> > saying
> > > possibly spray on bedliner ?? Maybe to thick ??? If it looks
like
> > garbage,
> > > I can just buy 2 new ones from DC... What about cutting the
light
> > output??
> > > Any issue there ???... I'm just not sure about adhesion to the
> > > chrome.....Bob J.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75630 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:43am
Subject: [FS] Wanted: Guages
Price: ?
Contact: 480-650-3392
I'm looking for a CJ speedo, and other CJ guages. Or, if you have something similar to a CJ speedo, that too. Not looking to pay too much, but I need some guages for the Nisotalet.
Mike
mcsoom@hotmail.com
Michael Soo
75631 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:44am
Subject: Re: Paint
Two different people there told me that they couldn't match my
Gunmetal and put it into any type of container. I think it depends
on the color of the Jeep. Sherwin Williams Auto Paint store could do
it, though, except that their minimum order is one quart. That comes
out to about 4 spary cans. Or three spray cans and one regular can.
They will put it into whatever container you want, as long as it's at
least one quart. About $48.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> Space Age Paints on Country Club, North of Southern. They take the
paint
> code from your jeep and match it exactly.
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
> '51CJ3A
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hillb@s...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Paint
>
>
> > I thought I heard some one talking about a local paint shop that
can match
> > you Jeep's paint and put it in a spray can. Does this sound
familiar? I
> > need to paint my bumper and was trying to get it to match my body
color.
> >
> > Thanks for the help,
> > Ben Hill
> > Grape Ape XJ
> > http://www.bensjeep.homestead.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
75632 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:08pm
Subject: RE: Caught jacking my jeep!
You need advice on whether to stay inside and call the cops or to
dramatically increase your chances of being killed by confronting a
burglar in your Jeep (to keep it related)??
I can understand it if you were going to work and accidentally
interrupted the thief. But not if you know or possibly know someone is
in the Jeep then confront them. Better off having the cops take care of
it. You do carry insurance right?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Trujillo, Jeff [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:32 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
The way I read it as: they have to have a weapon (see below in bold).
Also, this subject is for the AZVGC and not the AZVJC. Someone had to
say it! :o) This subject really should be answered by the gun experts.
Joe West!!!!
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice:(480)346-6249
Fax:(480)346-6813
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:26 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Bill - Jeeps Only
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Bill,
It's not? Try reading the Arizona Revised Statutes Title 13, Chapter 4.
<http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm>
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm
There's some room for interpretation, but it reads fairly black and
white to me. In some instances you are justified to use deadly force to
prevent criminal activity, including crimes against property.
13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention
A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and
deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person
reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is
immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an
occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or
first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section
13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree
murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor
under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child
molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904,
or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1
and 2.
13-1507. Burglary in the second degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the second degree by entering or
remaining unlawfully in or on a residential structure with the intent to
commit any theft or any felony therein.
B. Burglary in the second degree is a class 3 felony.
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
It's not legal to walk out in the parking lot of the apartment complex
and waste them with 17 rounds to the face, but if they are in a fenced
yard, or in your garage it's a different story.
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" < <mailto:bill@j...>
bill@j...>
To: < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> And as tempting as it is, it's not legal to use a weapon to protect
> property. You have to prove self defense.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> <http://www.jeepsonly.com> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DesertJeep" < <mailto:joey@d...>
> joey@d...>
> To: "'TRobertsRN'" < <mailto:TRobertsRN@e...>
TRobertsRN@e...>; < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
>
>
> > I think a better moral to this story is leave it to the
> > professionals. Call 911 and let the police handle it. Is your life
> > really worth anything in or on your Jeep. You never know what a car
> > thief is carrying. He could have just got a gun from the car before
> > yours.
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@e...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Friend of mine was in this situation before. He didn't call 911 and
> > went out to his Jeep and started beating the piss of the guy trying
> > to jack his stereo. The guy turns on him with his screwdriver and
> > stabs him in the gut and (unbenost to him at the time) the pecker.
> > Took the screwdriver away from him and continued to beat him till he
> > got weak in the knees and the guy ran off. Then he called 911 for
> > an ambulance. He said he was doing fine until the ER doc showed him
> > the blood vessels of his pecker falling out of the screwdriver slice
> > looking very much like tiny intestines. He passed out at that
> > point. Moral of the story, no matter how mad you are remember to go
> > armed. Evidence from this crime led to an arrest after the thief
> > had stabbed a couple of others.
> >
> >
> > Thomas Roberts
> > 78 Cherokee WT, 360 bored 30 over
> > 3" Rough Country Lift
> > TH4000, 3 in. lift, 33x12.5 all terrains
> > Custom bumpers and full cage of schedule 40 pipe
> > Gilbert, AZ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Golden" < <mailto:mgolden@c...>
mgolden@c...>
> > To: "AZVJC" < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> > Sweet! Congratulations!
> >
> > "Honest ossifer! I don't know how his face got all bloody. He
> > must've tripped or something!"
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt aka Machew wrote:
> > > Chalk one up for the good guys..... Last night i caught a couple
> > of
> > > guys in my jeep. They were in the process of gently (i think
> > > not) >
> > removing my sound system. Once the call was made to the Phx PD I
> > when
> > > out an confronted them. Which by the way isn't the
> > > safest/smartest >
> > thing to do at 12:30am or any time of day for that matter, anyways
> > > thanks to a quick response from Phx PD and my own efforts, we were
> > > able to apprehend/ID the individuals and recover stolen items from
> > 8 > other vehicles in the complex. > > > > > Your use of
> > Yahoo! Groups is subject to <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
entities other than the intended recipient or employees of
MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error,
please
contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer..
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75633 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:12pm
Subject: RE: Nasty tow strap picture
People always comment about the hook on the end of the tow strap (those that
come that way) as being dangerous and such....as well as the concept of
hooking a conventional tow strap (with no hook) around a tow hitch ball. '
Now don't get me wrong.....I am not saying I approve of either one of those
practices.
But....I've always wondered about one thing....I've never heard anyone talk
about what happens if the hook on the front or rear of your vehicle breaks
while you have a strap on it. Now....if the regular tow strap that is
looped around the hitch ball can turn into a missle and take someone out,
why doesn't any mention the same about the hook breaking off and taking
someone out? I've never heard any caution anyone else about that.
I am not flaming on Mike....it is simply that his comment, which I have seen
dozens and dozens of times before, caught my eye and I finally decided to
ask my question.
What causes us to poo poo one method and not another. (yes, I know the
straps that come with the hooks attached are often times pretty
cheap......and I also know what most folks pay for a pair of after market
tow hooks too.)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Golden [mailto:mgolden@c...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:52 AM
To: AZVJC; ArizonaXJ
Subject: [az_vjc] Nasty tow strap picture
Wanna see why you should buy a good tow strap, and not one of the cheap
ones with the metal hooks attached? Wanna see why you shouldn't hook a
strap to a tow hitch ball?
http://www.cataclysm.net/4x4/killerstrap.jpg
Something to think about.
Mike
--
What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75634 From: Linda <minihummer@w...> <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:15pm
Subject: Re: ZJ lift kit advice?
Up to 4.5" and the lift is pretty easy and the ZJ will continue to
ride like stock but have a lot more flex on the trails. You can go up
to a 32" tire with 4.5". 4.5" is the smallest lift I would recommend
regardless of your intent. The cost is well worth it.
Over 4.5" and the real fun begins. You don't want to do a 4.5" plus
spacers. It'll cause no end of grief. Go with custom coils instead.
Track bars (front and rear) will have to be realigned to get optimal
suspension performance. The subframe will have to be strengthened and
all the control arm bracktery on the body will need to be beefed up.
The rear driveshaft will require an SYE kit (if you use the Tom Wood
kit for the NP242 expect to do a little more modification). The front
driveshaft will require a little shortening. Of course the on-
pavement ride is a little quirky, but easy to get used to.
Lift kits. The best is really to piece one together if you can. I
like the hiem-jointed/OEM rubber control arms better than the johnny
jointed (RE), or poly-bushed (rancho, skyjacker, etc.). These won't
bind, but will require rebuilding every once in a while. A good
fabricator (ask around, but I like Hunter Offroad Products) can make
the heim-joint/OEM bushing arms for the same price (or less) than you
can buy them off-the-shelf. Look for a front track bar that pivots
verically on the upper mount. There is a trackbar relocation bracket
that moves the lower trackbar mount up above the axle. I like the JKS
adjustable rear track bar. Coils: You'll need to decide what you are
planning on using the ZJ for. I went for extreme articulation and
ordered custom coils with a spring rate around 130#/in. The RE 4.5"
coils come in around 175#/in and I found them a bit stiff. Of course,
longer brake lines for the front (RE has these, I think they are YJ
brake lines). Building a lift that is higher than 4.5" for a ZJ costs
about the same as buying a 4.5" lift for a ZJ. Look around for used
suspension parts to save a few bucks.
Of course, you can buy my ZJ (which is trail ready) instead ;-)
Feel free to email me directly if you have more questions.
Linda
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...> wrote:
>
75635 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:20pm
Subject: [FS] 1988 super cherokee
Price: $6000
Contact: Nick Apostolos apostolos@uswest.net ro (602)697 9332
1988
cherokee pioneer with recent 4.7litre stroker addition. New ax15 tranny and rebuilt transfer(np231). 4.5 in rubicon express lift, 33in mickeys. Has autometer phantom gauges and spray in bed liner inside. Has stock axles but 4.10 gears. I also have alot of extra parts ie beadlocks, axles, tires, fender flares. This jeep will go ANYWHERE.... Call to check out.
75636 From: <AZICE626@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:24am
Subject: Re: Caught jacking my jeep!
In a message dated 1/16/03 10:16:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, bill@jeepsonly.com writes:
since you then
need to convince a court of law
whats that old saying???.....better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6???
75637 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:25pm
Subject: RE: Caught jacking my jeep!
Joey,
Yeah, the cops come by an hour later and file a report that is never
followed up on. Most of the time they don't even dust the vehicle for
prints. The thief is free to steal again. Sometimes these thieves come
back to rob the same place again.
BTW, did your cops ever catch the guys that robbed your neighbors house
last year? Hmm, lets just hide in the closet while they empty out the
house. Then when they are gone we'll call the police. If we are lucky
they won't find us in the closet and kill us or beat the heck out of us
or rape our wives or daughters while we helplessly watch.
You are a good friend. Sometimes we just gotta agree to disagree to keep
the peace, right?
:D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:08 PM
To: 'Trujillo, Jeff'; 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
You need advice on whether to stay inside and call the cops or to
dramatically increase your chances of being killed by confronting a
burglar in your Jeep (to keep it related)??
I can understand it if you were going to work and accidentally
interrupted the thief. But not if you know or possibly know someone is
in the Jeep then confront them. Better off having the cops take care of
it. You do carry insurance right?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Trujillo, Jeff [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:32 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
The way I read it as: they have to have a weapon (see below in bold).
Also, this subject is for the AZVGC and not the AZVJC. Someone had to
say it! :o) This subject really should be answered by the gun experts.
Joe West!!!!
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice:(480)346-6249
Fax:(480)346-6813
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:26 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Bill - Jeeps Only
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Bill,
It's not? Try reading the Arizona Revised Statutes Title 13, Chapter 4.
<http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm>
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm
There's some room for interpretation, but it reads fairly black and
white to me. In some instances you are justified to use deadly force to
prevent criminal activity, including crimes against property.
13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention
A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and
deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person
reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is
immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an
occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or
first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section
13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree
murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor
under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child
molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904,
or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1
and 2.
13-1507. Burglary in the second degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the second degree by entering or
remaining unlawfully in or on a residential structure with the intent to
commit any theft or any felony therein.
B. Burglary in the second degree is a class 3 felony.
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
It's not legal to walk out in the parking lot of the apartment complex
and waste them with 17 rounds to the face, but if they are in a fenced
yard, or in your garage it's a different story.
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" < <mailto:bill@j...>
bill@j...>
To: < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> And as tempting as it is, it's not legal to use a weapon to protect
> property. You have to prove self defense.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> <http://www.jeepsonly.com> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DesertJeep" < <mailto:joey@d...>
> joey@d...>
> To: "'TRobertsRN'" < <mailto:TRobertsRN@e...>
TRobertsRN@e...>; < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
>
>
> > I think a better moral to this story is leave it to the
> > professionals. Call 911 and let the police handle it. Is your life
> > really worth anything in or on your Jeep. You never know what a car
> > thief is carrying. He could have just got a gun from the car before
> > yours.
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@e...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Friend of mine was in this situation before. He didn't call 911 and
> > went out to his Jeep and started beating the piss of the guy trying
> > to jack his stereo. The guy turns on him with his screwdriver and
> > stabs him in the gut and (unbenost to him at the time) the pecker.
> > Took the screwdriver away from him and continued to beat him till he
> > got weak in the knees and the guy ran off. Then he called 911 for
> > an ambulance. He said he was doing fine until the ER doc showed him
> > the blood vessels of his pecker falling out of the screwdriver slice
> > looking very much like tiny intestines. He passed out at that
> > point. Moral of the story, no matter how mad you are remember to go
> > armed. Evidence from this crime led to an arrest after the thief
> > had stabbed a couple of others.
> >
> >
> > Thomas Roberts
> > 78 Cherokee WT, 360 bored 30 over
> > 3" Rough Country Lift
> > TH4000, 3 in. lift, 33x12.5 all terrains
> > Custom bumpers and full cage of schedule 40 pipe
> > Gilbert, AZ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Golden" < <mailto:mgolden@c...>
mgolden@c...>
> > To: "AZVJC" < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> > Sweet! Congratulations!
> >
> > "Honest ossifer! I don't know how his face got all bloody. He
> > must've tripped or something!"
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt aka Machew wrote:
> > > Chalk one up for the good guys..... Last night i caught a couple
> > of
> > > guys in my jeep. They were in the process of gently (i think
> > > not) >
> > removing my sound system. Once the call was made to the Phx PD I
> > when
> > > out an confronted them. Which by the way isn't the
> > > safest/smartest >
> > thing to do at 12:30am or any time of day for that matter, anyways
> > > thanks to a quick response from Phx PD and my own efforts, we were
> > > able to apprehend/ID the individuals and recover stolen items from
> > 8 > other vehicles in the complex. > > > > > Your use of
> > Yahoo! Groups is subject to <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
entities other than the intended recipient or employees of
MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error,
please
contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer..
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75638 From: <hillb@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: Paint
I've ran into that problem at both Space Age & Sherwin Williams (formerly
Glendale Paint & Supply). My color paint is only available in base coat,
so they can't put it in a spray can. They'll sell me a 1/2 pint of base
coat for about $43, but then I'll have to get everything else to go with
the base coat.
I think rattlecan black is looking better and better. Do you guys have any
recommendations for black paint. It's going on the front bumper, so I'd
like to have a strong paint that will resist chips.
Thanks,
Ben
"Lachlan
<jeepindog@ya To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
hoo.com>" cc:
<jeepindog Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Paint
01/16/2003
12:44 PM
Two different people there told me that they couldn't match my
Gunmetal and put it into any type of container. I think it depends
on the color of the Jeep. Sherwin Williams Auto Paint store could do
it, though, except that their minimum order is one quart. That comes
out to about 4 spary cans. Or three spray cans and one regular can.
They will put it into whatever container you want, as long as it's at
least one quart. About $48.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> Space Age Paints on Country Club, North of Southern. They take the
paint
> code from your jeep and match it exactly.
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
> '51CJ3A
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hillb@s...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Paint
>
>
> > I thought I heard some one talking about a local paint shop that
can match
> > you Jeep's paint and put it in a spray can. Does this sound
familiar? I
> > need to paint my bumper and was trying to get it to match my body
color.
> >
> > Thanks for the help,
> > Ben Hill
> > Grape Ape XJ
> > http://www.bensjeep.homestead.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75639 From: Richard Logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:38pm
Subject: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a
I am looking and getting the lojack put in mine it not only alerts me but the police all thru az, ca etc
they call 5 different numbers to alert me a little price ouch LOL but allot cheaper than losing my jeep insurance will not even cover half of what I put into it and I have full coverage and expensive insurance at that with the LoJack it will go down dramaticly it has other cool features also
Rick Logan
75640 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:35pm
Subject: RE: Caught jacking my jeep!
Sorry Scott we were talking about the Jeep in the front yard. Inside the
house is definitely a different situation.
You're right they may get away. But they are idiots and will eventually
get caught anyway, just a matter of time that's all.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:26 PM
To: joey@d...; 'Trujillo, Jeff'; 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Joey,
Yeah, the cops come by an hour later and file a report that is never
followed up on. Most of the time they don't even dust the vehicle for
prints. The thief is free to steal again. Sometimes these thieves come
back to rob the same place again.
BTW, did your cops ever catch the guys that robbed your neighbors house
last year? Hmm, lets just hide in the closet while they empty out the
house. Then when they are gone we'll call the police. If we are lucky
they won't find us in the closet and kill us or beat the heck out of us
or rape our wives or daughters while we helplessly watch.
You are a good friend. Sometimes we just gotta agree to disagree to keep
the peace, right?
:D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:08 PM
To: 'Trujillo, Jeff'; 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
You need advice on whether to stay inside and call the cops or to
dramatically increase your chances of being killed by confronting a
burglar in your Jeep (to keep it related)??
I can understand it if you were going to work and accidentally
interrupted the thief. But not if you know or possibly know someone is
in the Jeep then confront them. Better off having the cops take care of
it. You do carry insurance right?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Trujillo, Jeff [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:32 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
The way I read it as: they have to have a weapon (see below in bold).
Also, this subject is for the AZVGC and not the AZVJC. Someone had to
say it! :o) This subject really should be answered by the gun experts.
Joe West!!!!
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice:(480)346-6249
Fax:(480)346-6813
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:26 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Bill - Jeeps Only
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Bill,
It's not? Try reading the Arizona Revised Statutes Title 13, Chapter 4.
<http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm>
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm
There's some room for interpretation, but it reads fairly black and
white to me. In some instances you are justified to use deadly force to
prevent criminal activity, including crimes against property.
13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention
A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and
deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person
reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is
immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an
occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or
first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section
13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree
murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor
under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child
molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904,
or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1
and 2.
13-1507. Burglary in the second degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the second degree by entering or
remaining unlawfully in or on a residential structure with the intent to
commit any theft or any felony therein.
B. Burglary in the second degree is a class 3 felony.
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
It's not legal to walk out in the parking lot of the apartment complex
and waste them with 17 rounds to the face, but if they are in a fenced
yard, or in your garage it's a different story.
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" < <mailto:bill@j...>
bill@j...>
To: < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> And as tempting as it is, it's not legal to use a weapon to protect
> property. You have to prove self defense.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> <http://www.jeepsonly.com> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DesertJeep" < <mailto:joey@d...>
> joey@d...>
> To: "'TRobertsRN'" < <mailto:TRobertsRN@e...>
TRobertsRN@e...>; < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
>
>
> > I think a better moral to this story is leave it to the
> > professionals. Call 911 and let the police handle it. Is your life
> > really worth anything in or on your Jeep. You never know what a car
> > thief is carrying. He could have just got a gun from the car before
> > yours.
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@e...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Friend of mine was in this situation before. He didn't call 911 and
> > went out to his Jeep and started beating the piss of the guy trying
> > to jack his stereo. The guy turns on him with his screwdriver and
> > stabs him in the gut and (unbenost to him at the time) the pecker.
> > Took the screwdriver away from him and continued to beat him till he
> > got weak in the knees and the guy ran off. Then he called 911 for
> > an ambulance. He said he was doing fine until the ER doc showed him
> > the blood vessels of his pecker falling out of the screwdriver slice
> > looking very much like tiny intestines. He passed out at that
> > point. Moral of the story, no matter how mad you are remember to go
> > armed. Evidence from this crime led to an arrest after the thief
> > had stabbed a couple of others.
> >
> >
> > Thomas Roberts
> > 78 Cherokee WT, 360 bored 30 over
> > 3" Rough Country Lift
> > TH4000, 3 in. lift, 33x12.5 all terrains
> > Custom bumpers and full cage of schedule 40 pipe
> > Gilbert, AZ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Golden" < <mailto:mgolden@c...>
mgolden@c...>
> > To: "AZVJC" < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> > Sweet! Congratulations!
> >
> > "Honest ossifer! I don't know how his face got all bloody. He
> > must've tripped or something!"
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt aka Machew wrote:
> > > Chalk one up for the good guys..... Last night i caught a couple
> > of
> > > guys in my jeep. They were in the process of gently (i think
> > > not) >
> > removing my sound system. Once the call was made to the Phx PD I
> > when
> > > out an confronted them. Which by the way isn't the
> > > safest/smartest >
> > thing to do at 12:30am or any time of day for that matter, anyways
> > > thanks to a quick response from Phx PD and my own efforts, we were
> > > able to apprehend/ID the individuals and recover stolen items from
> > 8 > other vehicles in the complex. > > > > > Your use of
> > Yahoo! Groups is subject to <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
entities other than the intended recipient or employees of
MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error,
please
contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer..
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75641 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:38pm
Subject: RE: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a
Rick,
If you keep receipts and have it appraised I don't see why you wouldn't get back at least most of what you put in to it. Of course the appraisal may raise your insurance. ;)
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Logan [mailto:rlogan@dialresults.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:38 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Dont' get your jeep jacked get a
I am looking and getting the lojack put in mine it not only alerts me but the police all thru az, ca etc
they call 5 different numbers to alert me a little price ouch LOL but allot cheaper than losing my jeep insurance will not even cover half of what I put into it and I have full coverage and expensive insurance at that with the LoJack it will go down dramaticly it has other cool features also
Rick Logan
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
75642 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:40pm
Subject: RE: Caught jacking my jeep!
True, its slightly different. But as I see it, one day they are jacking
cars, the next month they move up to breaking into houses. May as well
stop them while their criminal history is still young.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:Joey@D...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:36 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Trujillo, Jeff'; 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Sorry Scott we were talking about the Jeep in the front yard. Inside the
house is definitely a different situation.
You're right they may get away. But they are idiots and will eventually
get caught anyway, just a matter of time that's all.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:26 PM
To: joey@d...; 'Trujillo, Jeff'; 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Joey,
Yeah, the cops come by an hour later and file a report that is never
followed up on. Most of the time they don't even dust the vehicle for
prints. The thief is free to steal again. Sometimes these thieves come
back to rob the same place again.
BTW, did your cops ever catch the guys that robbed your neighbors house
last year? Hmm, lets just hide in the closet while they empty out the
house. Then when they are gone we'll call the police. If we are lucky
they won't find us in the closet and kill us or beat the heck out of us
or rape our wives or daughters while we helplessly watch.
You are a good friend. Sometimes we just gotta agree to disagree to keep
the peace, right?
:D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:08 PM
To: 'Trujillo, Jeff'; 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
You need advice on whether to stay inside and call the cops or to
dramatically increase your chances of being killed by confronting a
burglar in your Jeep (to keep it related)??
I can understand it if you were going to work and accidentally
interrupted the thief. But not if you know or possibly know someone is
in the Jeep then confront them. Better off having the cops take care of
it. You do carry insurance right?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Trujillo, Jeff [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:32 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
The way I read it as: they have to have a weapon (see below in bold).
Also, this subject is for the AZVGC and not the AZVJC. Someone had to
say it! :o) This subject really should be answered by the gun experts.
Joe West!!!!
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice:(480)346-6249
Fax:(480)346-6813
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:26 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Bill - Jeeps Only
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Bill,
It's not? Try reading the Arizona Revised Statutes Title 13, Chapter 4.
<http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm>
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm
There's some room for interpretation, but it reads fairly black and
white to me. In some instances you are justified to use deadly force to
prevent criminal activity, including crimes against property.
13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention
A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and
deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person
reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is
immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an
occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or
first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section
13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree
murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor
under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child
molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904,
or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1
and 2.
13-1507. Burglary in the second degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the second degree by entering or
remaining unlawfully in or on a residential structure with the intent to
commit any theft or any felony therein.
B. Burglary in the second degree is a class 3 felony.
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
It's not legal to walk out in the parking lot of the apartment complex
and waste them with 17 rounds to the face, but if they are in a fenced
yard, or in your garage it's a different story.
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" < <mailto:bill@j...>
bill@j...>
To: < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> And as tempting as it is, it's not legal to use a weapon to protect
> property. You have to prove self defense.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> <http://www.jeepsonly.com> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DesertJeep" < <mailto:joey@d...>
> joey@d...>
> To: "'TRobertsRN'" < <mailto:TRobertsRN@e...>
TRobertsRN@e...>; < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
>
>
> > I think a better moral to this story is leave it to the
> > professionals. Call 911 and let the police handle it. Is your life
> > really worth anything in or on your Jeep. You never know what a car
> > thief is carrying. He could have just got a gun from the car before
> > yours.
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@e...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Friend of mine was in this situation before. He didn't call 911 and
> > went out to his Jeep and started beating the piss of the guy trying
> > to jack his stereo. The guy turns on him with his screwdriver and
> > stabs him in the gut and (unbenost to him at the time) the pecker.
> > Took the screwdriver away from him and continued to beat him till he
> > got weak in the knees and the guy ran off. Then he called 911 for
> > an ambulance. He said he was doing fine until the ER doc showed him
> > the blood vessels of his pecker falling out of the screwdriver slice
> > looking very much like tiny intestines. He passed out at that
> > point. Moral of the story, no matter how mad you are remember to go
> > armed. Evidence from this crime led to an arrest after the thief
> > had stabbed a couple of others.
> >
> >
> > Thomas Roberts
> > 78 Cherokee WT, 360 bored 30 over
> > 3" Rough Country Lift
> > TH4000, 3 in. lift, 33x12.5 all terrains
> > Custom bumpers and full cage of schedule 40 pipe
> > Gilbert, AZ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Golden" < <mailto:mgolden@c...>
mgolden@c...>
> > To: "AZVJC" < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> > Sweet! Congratulations!
> >
> > "Honest ossifer! I don't know how his face got all bloody. He
> > must've tripped or something!"
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt aka Machew wrote:
> > > Chalk one up for the good guys..... Last night i caught a couple
> > of
> > > guys in my jeep. They were in the process of gently (i think
> > > not) >
> > removing my sound system. Once the call was made to the Phx PD I
> > when
> > > out an confronted them. Which by the way isn't the
> > > safest/smartest >
> > thing to do at 12:30am or any time of day for that matter, anyways
> > > thanks to a quick response from Phx PD and my own efforts, we were
> > > able to apprehend/ID the individuals and recover stolen items from
> > 8 > other vehicles in the complex. > > > > > Your use of
> > Yahoo! Groups is subject to <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
entities other than the intended recipient or employees of
MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error,
please
contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer..
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75643 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...> <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:42pm
Subject: [FS] Jeep stuff
Rear bumper off a TJ, no scratches or dents, no end caps. FREE
Spare stock tire, 0 miles - Make offer
Soft Top storage boot for YJ - FREE
Basketball hoop and backboard - BARELY used - Make offer
I think that is all I can think of for now.....
Mike Baney
jeepin_in_az(@)yahoo.com
75644 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:57pm
Subject: RE: Caught jacking my jeep!
I am certainly NOT the gun-law expert...
Here is the local gun-law expert:
Tom LaFrance
Tom teaches a Concealed Carry class here in Arizona so he knows the laws
better than most.
The right answer to your question is that you should avoid using your gun
any chance you have. There are specific occasions when you can use your gun
(as outlined by the attached ARS that some one posted) but for the most
part, you should do everything in your power not to have to use it. Stay
out of situations where you might need a gun... be constantly alert so that
you can avoid circumstances where you might need a weapon AND, don't draw
your weapon unless you have reason to believe that you will need it AND be
prepared to use it if you pull it.
I'm sure Tom will elaborate more; but I learned how NOT to use a weapon in
my CCW class...
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill - Jeeps Only [mailto:bill@j...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail); Trujillo, Jeff
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Yeah Joe, please do advise. My mistake. Perhaps I shouldn't have said
"against the law" as much as it's usually not a good idea since you then
need to convince a court of law that your use of deadly force was
justifiable. Sometimes the guilty go free and the innocent don't and despite
the letter of the law, it's up to interpretation of the law as well as what
happened at the scene. I'm just not sure shooting some kid who is stealing
your stereo would be seen as a justifiable action by a judge or jury.
I guess we are getting into AZVGC territory here but I think it's not a bad
idea for the AZVJC group to discuss whether or not you can shoot somebody
who is stealing stuff from your Jeep. Although, overall the decision anyone
reading this thread makes on this issue should be based on law and not from
our conversations on this thread.
Should we move this to AZVGC?
---------------
Bill Hooven
Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
---------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trujillo, Jeff" <jeff.trujillo@m...>
To: "AZVJC (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> The way I read it as: they have to have a weapon (see below in bold).
Also,
> this subject is for the AZVGC and not the AZVJC. Someone had to say it!
:o)
> This subject really should be answered by the gun experts. Joe West!!!!
>
>
>
> 13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
>
> A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
> accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and
> knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument
in
> the course of committing any theft or any felony.
>
> B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a fenced
> commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class 2 felony
> if committed in a residential structure.
>
>
>
> Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> Field Service Representative
> MD Helicopters, Inc.
> jeff.trujillo@m...
> Voice:(480)346-6249
> Fax:(480)346-6813
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:26 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Bill - Jeeps Only
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
>
>
> Bill,
>
> It's not? Try reading the Arizona Revised Statutes Title 13, Chapter 4.
>
> <http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm>
> http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm
>
> There's some room for interpretation, but it reads fairly black and white
to
> me. In some instances you are justified to use deadly force to prevent
> criminal activity, including crimes against property.
>
> 13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention
>
> A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and
> deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person
> reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is
> immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an
> occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or first
> degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section 13-1304,
> manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree murder under
> section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor under section
> 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child molestation under
> section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904, or aggravated
assault
> under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1 and 2.
>
> 13-1507. Burglary in the second degree; classification
>
> A. A person commits burglary in the second degree by entering or remaining
> unlawfully in or on a residential structure with the intent to commit any
> theft or any felony therein.
>
> B. Burglary in the second degree is a class 3 felony.
>
> 13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
>
> A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
> accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and
> knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument
in
> the course of committing any theft or any felony.
>
> B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a fenced
> commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class 2 felony
> if committed in a residential structure.
>
> It's not legal to walk out in the parking lot of the apartment complex and
> waste them with 17 rounds to the face, but if they are in a fenced yard,
or
> in your garage it's a different story.
>
> Mitch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" < <mailto:bill@j...>
bill@j...>
> To: < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
>
>
> > And as tempting as it is, it's not legal to use a weapon to protect
> > property. You have to prove self defense.
> >
> > ---------------
> > Bill Hooven
> > Jeeps Only
> > <http://www.jeepsonly.com> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> > A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DesertJeep" < <mailto:joey@d...> joey@d...>
> > To: "'TRobertsRN'" < <mailto:TRobertsRN@e...>
> TRobertsRN@e...>; < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> > > I think a better moral to this story is leave it to the professionals.
> > > Call 911 and let the police handle it. Is your life really worth
> > > anything in or on your Jeep. You never know what a car thief is
> > > carrying. He could have just got a gun from the car before yours.
> > >
> > > Joey K
> > > 93YJ
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@e...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:29 AM
> > > To: <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Friend of mine was in this situation before. He didn't call 911 and
> > > went out to his Jeep and started beating the piss of the guy trying to
> > > jack his stereo. The guy turns on him with his screwdriver and stabs
> > > him in the gut and (unbenost to him at the time) the pecker. Took the
> > > screwdriver away from him and continued to beat him till he got weak
in
> > > the knees and the guy ran off. Then he called 911 for an ambulance.
He
> > > said he was doing fine until the ER doc showed him the blood vessels
of
> > > his pecker falling out of the screwdriver slice looking very much like
> > > tiny intestines. He passed out at that point. Moral of the story, no
> > > matter how mad you are remember to go armed. Evidence from this crime
> > > led to an arrest after the thief had stabbed a couple of others.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thomas Roberts
> > > 78 Cherokee WT, 360 bored 30 over
> > > 3" Rough Country Lift
> > > TH4000, 3 in. lift, 33x12.5 all terrains
> > > Custom bumpers and full cage of schedule 40 pipe
> > > Gilbert, AZ
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mike Golden" < <mailto:mgolden@c...>
> mgolden@c...>
> > > To: "AZVJC" < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> > >
> > >
> > > Sweet! Congratulations!
> > >
> > > "Honest ossifer! I don't know how his face got all bloody. He
must've
> > > tripped or something!"
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Matt aka Machew wrote:
> > > > Chalk one up for the good guys..... Last night i caught a couple
of
> > > > guys in my jeep. They were in the process of gently (i think not)
>
> > > removing my sound system. Once the call was made to the Phx PD I when
> > > > out an confronted them. Which by the way isn't the safest/smartest
>
> > > thing to do at 12:30am or any time of day for that matter, anyways >
> > > thanks to a quick response from Phx PD and my own efforts, we were >
> > > able to apprehend/ID the individuals and recover stolen items from 8
>
> > > other vehicles in the complex. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo!
Groups
> > > is subject to <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
> entities other than the intended recipient or employees of
> MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error,
please
> contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer..
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75645 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:06pm
Subject: Re: [FS] Wanted: Guages
Mike,
Try either:
4 Wheeler Supply
3530 E Washington
Phoenix, AZ
602-273-7195
- or -
AMC 4 X 4 Salvage
6741 West Belmont (just south of Grand Ave.)
Glendale, AZ
623-937-5899
HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
AzVJC Website wrote:
Price: ?
Contact: 480-650-3392
I'm looking for a CJ speedo, and other CJ guages. Or, if you have something similar to a CJ speedo, that too. Not looking to pay too much, but I need some guages for the Nisotalet.
Mike
mcsoom@hotmail.com
Michael Soo
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
75646 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:40pm
Subject: Re: re. intentional trail blockage
Has this been cleared up or do we want someone to go out and take a look?
I will be willing to go out there Saturday morning around 8:00 at the Texaco in FJ if some others want to go.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee McCullen
To: Martin Ward ; enb4w ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:15 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
I'll post Saturday or Sunday as soon as I get a confirmation from those going. Probably meet at the Texaco around 8:30 a.m. Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Ward [mailto:martinida@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:24 PM
To: enb4w; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Sandee McCullen
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
If my front ARB is up and running I would like to run with you all.
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee McCullen
To: enb4w ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
BLM did not do this................... yes, it's possible the miner did this but this waterfall is well onto BLM lands......... not private. Jack and I will go out this weekend and take a look. Anyone interested in tagging along?
Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: enb4w [mailto:enb4w@earnhardt.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:10 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Let me throw a wrench into everyone’s thinking. That is the area with the minor. Is it not possible that he did the blasting because he didn’t want people coming through his mine area? Before somebody goes off blaming the BLM that should be looked at and figured out…..
That’s my two cents…..
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@theriver.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Don’t know couldn’t tell you. I don’t know the trails at FJ to have any clue. If I new my way around and had lockers I would go check it out tomorrow.
Clint
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@cableaz.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:43 PM
To: Clint Ramsey; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Clint, all...........
Jack just plotted Gary's coordinances and his plot shows the top of Bad Medicine.................... That's all I know. S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@theriver.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:42 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
This is what I got when I entered the coordinates at topozone
Here's a USGS topographic map from the TopoZone!
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=12&n=3671430&e=482958&s=25
Clint Ramsey
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
_________________________________________________
Scanned for viruses on 14 Jan 2003 21:01:12
No viruses found.
Virus scanning by http://virusscanning.net
_________________________________________________
Scanned for viruses on 14 Jan 2003 21:10:31
No viruses found.
Virus scanning by http://virusscanning.net
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
75647 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:43pm
Subject: [TR] Coves of Saguaro Lake - Monday, January 20, 2003
Hello All,
Phil Thompson is leading a Coves of Saguaro Lake trail run on Monday, January 20, 2003.
When: Meet around 10:00 am
Where: Mc Donald's on Power Road 1/4 Mile North of U.S. 60 on west side, or 10:30 at Butcher Jones Parking area.
Rating: 2.5+
Length: ?
CB Channel:
Plenty of open spaces to play in. I'd prefer someone with intimate knowledge of the area to lead but it'll be fun one way or another. Come on out and enjoy the weather.
At the Coves of Saguaro Lake, there are at least 4 coves to play in, on, and around. Many hill climbs provide a challenge to all levels of 4-Wheelers and vehicles.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75648 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:43pm
Subject: Re: Nasty tow strap picture
I say "poo poo" to all winch cables that have a metal hook on
the end of them for the same reason as the tow strap complaint. Stu,
you have a good point.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> People always comment about the hook on the end of the tow strap
(those that
> come that way) as being dangerous and such....as well as the
concept of
> hooking a conventional tow strap (with no hook) around a tow hitch
ball. '
>
> Now don't get me wrong.....I am not saying I approve of either one
of those
> practices.
>
> But....I've always wondered about one thing....I've never heard
anyone talk
> about what happens if the hook on the front or rear of your vehicle
breaks
> while you have a strap on it. Now....if the regular tow strap that
is
> looped around the hitch ball can turn into a missle and take
someone out,
> why doesn't any mention the same about the hook breaking off and
taking
> someone out? I've never heard any caution anyone else about that.
>
> I am not flaming on Mike....it is simply that his comment, which I
have seen
> dozens and dozens of times before, caught my eye and I finally
decided to
> ask my question.
>
> What causes us to poo poo one method and not another. (yes, I know
the
> straps that come with the hooks attached are often times pretty
> cheap......and I also know what most folks pay for a pair of after
market
> tow hooks too.)
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Golden [mailto:mgolden@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:52 AM
> To: AZVJC; ArizonaXJ
> Subject: [az_vjc] Nasty tow strap picture
>
>
> Wanna see why you should buy a good tow strap, and not one of the
cheap
> ones with the metal hooks attached? Wanna see why you shouldn't
hook a
> strap to a tow hitch ball?
>
> http://www.cataclysm.net/4x4/killerstrap.jpg
>
> Something to think about.
>
> Mike
> --
> What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75649 From: Scott Edwards <azcj@y...> <azcj@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:51pm
Subject: Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a
I have Lojack in mine. Unless they have added some features, what you
described isn't how it works. The instructions right off the back of
my card from my wallet say to call the police department in the city
it was stolen from and give them the VIN. Then the police send out a
signal to the unit in the vehicle which causes the stolen vehicle to
transmit. Certain police cars can then track the stolen vehicle. The
cars that can have 4 small antennas in a square pattern on the trunk.
At least in mine, there is no notification to me or the police that
the vehicle has been stolen until I notice and report it.
-Scott Edwards
'97 TJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Logan" <rlogan@d...> wrote:
> I am looking and getting the lojack put in mine it not only alerts
me but the police all thru az, ca etc
> they call 5 different numbers to alert me a little price ouch LOL
but allot cheaper than losing my jeep insurance will not even cover
half of what I put into it and I have full coverage and expensive
insurance at that with the LoJack it will go down dramaticly it has
other cool features also
>
> Rick Logan
75650 From: Richard Logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a LOjack
They now have a new release costs $100.00 more but you have a remote and if
they break in and start it without key it alerts you they also want 5
contact numbers to alert you and by your key ring beeper and phone call yes
i makes it faster to you to check it out and call police and they also have
a new hidden feature kill switch where for instance you have to turn your
right blinker on or it will not start or some other routine. So this is the
next modle the have with what I metioned above cost for new unit 850.00 plus
lifetime monitor for 250.00
----- Original Message -----
From: <azcj@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:51 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a
> I have Lojack in mine. Unless they have added some features, what you
> described isn't how it works. The instructions right off the back of
> my card from my wallet say to call the police department in the city
> it was stolen from and give them the VIN. Then the police send out a
> signal to the unit in the vehicle which causes the stolen vehicle to
> transmit. Certain police cars can then track the stolen vehicle. The
> cars that can have 4 small antennas in a square pattern on the trunk.
> At least in mine, there is no notification to me or the police that
> the vehicle has been stolen until I notice and report it.
>
> -Scott Edwards
> '97 TJ
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Logan" <rlogan@d...> wrote:
> > I am looking and getting the lojack put in mine it not only alerts
> me but the police all thru az, ca etc
> > they call 5 different numbers to alert me a little price ouch LOL
> but allot cheaper than losing my jeep insurance will not even cover
> half of what I put into it and I have full coverage and expensive
> insurance at that with the LoJack it will go down dramaticly it has
> other cool features also
> >
> > Rick Logan
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
75626 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:31am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, January 18, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Jeff Cox is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, January 18, 2003.
When: 8:30 a.m. Saturday and Sunday
Where: See below
Rating: None
Length: most of the day
CB Channel:
Wrenching party!
John Halverson and myself are going to install the RE LA upgrade kit to my Jeep this weekend. We would enjoy and appreciate any help. Or just stop by to watch us bust our knuckles :)
The address is 3312 E. Flower Phoenix. That is 1 block south of
Osborn, just east of 32nd St.
Easiest way is to get on the 202, exit on 32nd, go North until you see Flower st. on the east side of the road. Go east on Flower about 300 yards, we will be on the North side of the street.
My cell# 602-402-5425
Hope to see you there.
Jeff Cox
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVERTISEMENT
75627 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:33am
Subject: RE: Re: Scratch and Dent Sale
LOL, no SMALLER bumps, my TJ keeps draggin over them.....I can't get out
of the neighborhood! You know I have a speedbump draggin TJ...
Mike
--- Scott Kruize <skruize@c...> wrote:
> I know why Mike never goes wheeling:
>
> He's been too busy lobbying his homeowners association to make the
> neighborhood speedbumps a bit bigger.
>
> LOL
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: joey@d...; 'Scott Kruize'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: jeepin_in_az@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Scratch and Dent Sale
>
>
> I see how you are Joey, cc his name on the e-mail.....
>
> Just wait till you brake another pin and need it replaced while you are
> on the east side of town....:)
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> --- DesertJeep <Joey@D...> wrote:
> > OOOOoooo
> >
> > Are you going to take that Scott? You could probably just use Mike's
> > Jeep as an RTI ramp to shut him up! LOL
> >
> > :) too much fun
> > Joey K
> > Itty bitty 93YJ
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
> > [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Scratch and Dent Sale
> >
> >
> > Posers that want to look like they wheel, kinda like Scott K.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "James Towle <James.Towle@a...>"
> > <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > > If it's scratched or dented, who wants it? LOL
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > There is a brand new disc brake Currie Dand 44 rear end for a YJ
> > up
> > > there
> > > > still...not sold.
> > > >
> > > > --Steve
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
> > > > [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:08 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Scratch and Dent Sale
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Damn near everything on there is already sold! LOL -Rob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Thompson <ablockalypse@y...>"
> > > > <ablockalypse@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Got this in my email, thought some folks on here might be able
> > to
> > > > use
> > > > > some of this stuff. The have some really good prices on soft
> > tops
> > > > and
> > > > > accessories, espcially tinted windows for TJ's. I'm not
> > affiliated
> > > > > with them just passing it along.
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome to the 4Wheel Drive Hardware VIP Scratch & Dent Savings!
> > > > >
> > > > > Enclosed you will find the link to our special section, as well
> > as
> > > > a
> > > > > password you will need to enter the site.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please read all terms and conditions before shopping from this
> > > > > section, and be sure to enter VIPJAN02 when prompted during
> > > > > checkout.
> > > > >
> > > > > All products contained in this section are sold while quantities
> > > > > last. Scratch and Dent products are sold "AS IS".
> > > > >
> > > > > Use this link to access the section:
> > > > > http://www.4wd.com/shop4wd/sale/sdmain.asp
> > > > >
> > > > > Use this password to enter the section: VIPJAN02
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
> http://mailplus.yahoo.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
http://mailplus.yahoo.com
75628 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:35am
Subject: Re: Paint/bedliner adhesion question
My TJ's headlight bezels are plastic. I washed them with mild
detergent, dried them, and applied three even coats of flat black
spray paint to them. They turned out great, and haven't chipped or
scratched yet. I even washed them once last year...
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Beckham" <jeepnut7261@h...> wrote:
> I've re-painted chrome, I buff it lightly with 000 steel wool (the
kind you
> use for a fine wood finish) Then put a couple of layers of good ol'
> rustoleum black on it (gloss or flat, up to you) it doesn't leave
any
> scratch marks, but it allows the paint to stick.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:35 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Paint/bedliner adhesion question
>
>
> > I have heard bedliner, but you could also sand them down a bit,
and
> > the paint should stick to it.
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Bob Jacques <bjacques@m...> wrote:
> > > Can anyone advise me what would be the best way to make the
> > headlight trim
> > > rings on a TJ Black.... It's the last chrome on the jeep and I
want
> > to get
> > > rid of it !! The chrome, not the jeep !.... I remember
someone
> > saying
> > > possibly spray on bedliner ?? Maybe to thick ??? If it looks
like
> > garbage,
> > > I can just buy 2 new ones from DC... What about cutting the
light
> > output??
> > > Any issue there ???... I'm just not sure about adhesion to the
> > > chrome.....Bob J.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
75629 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:38am
Subject: RE: Re: Paint/bedliner adhesion question
Kind of looks like a black eye to me ;)
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:36 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Paint/bedliner adhesion question
My TJ's headlight bezels are plastic. I washed them with mild
detergent, dried them, and applied three even coats of flat black
spray paint to them. They turned out great, and haven't chipped or
scratched yet. I even washed them once last year...
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Beckham" <jeepnut7261@h...> wrote:
> I've re-painted chrome, I buff it lightly with 000 steel wool (the
kind you
> use for a fine wood finish) Then put a couple of layers of good ol'
> rustoleum black on it (gloss or flat, up to you) it doesn't leave
any
> scratch marks, but it allows the paint to stick.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:35 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Paint/bedliner adhesion question
>
>
> > I have heard bedliner, but you could also sand them down a bit,
and
> > the paint should stick to it.
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Bob Jacques <bjacques@m...> wrote:
> > > Can anyone advise me what would be the best way to make the
> > headlight trim
> > > rings on a TJ Black.... It's the last chrome on the jeep and I
want
> > to get
> > > rid of it !! The chrome, not the jeep !.... I remember
someone
> > saying
> > > possibly spray on bedliner ?? Maybe to thick ??? If it looks
like
> > garbage,
> > > I can just buy 2 new ones from DC... What about cutting the
light
> > output??
> > > Any issue there ???... I'm just not sure about adhesion to the
> > > chrome.....Bob J.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75630 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:43am
Subject: [FS] Wanted: Guages
Price: ?
Contact: 480-650-3392
I'm looking for a CJ speedo, and other CJ guages. Or, if you have something similar to a CJ speedo, that too. Not looking to pay too much, but I need some guages for the Nisotalet.
Mike
mcsoom@hotmail.com
Michael Soo
75631 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:44am
Subject: Re: Paint
Two different people there told me that they couldn't match my
Gunmetal and put it into any type of container. I think it depends
on the color of the Jeep. Sherwin Williams Auto Paint store could do
it, though, except that their minimum order is one quart. That comes
out to about 4 spary cans. Or three spray cans and one regular can.
They will put it into whatever container you want, as long as it's at
least one quart. About $48.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> Space Age Paints on Country Club, North of Southern. They take the
paint
> code from your jeep and match it exactly.
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
> '51CJ3A
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hillb@s...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Paint
>
>
> > I thought I heard some one talking about a local paint shop that
can match
> > you Jeep's paint and put it in a spray can. Does this sound
familiar? I
> > need to paint my bumper and was trying to get it to match my body
color.
> >
> > Thanks for the help,
> > Ben Hill
> > Grape Ape XJ
> > http://www.bensjeep.homestead.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
75632 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:08pm
Subject: RE: Caught jacking my jeep!
You need advice on whether to stay inside and call the cops or to
dramatically increase your chances of being killed by confronting a
burglar in your Jeep (to keep it related)??
I can understand it if you were going to work and accidentally
interrupted the thief. But not if you know or possibly know someone is
in the Jeep then confront them. Better off having the cops take care of
it. You do carry insurance right?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Trujillo, Jeff [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:32 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
The way I read it as: they have to have a weapon (see below in bold).
Also, this subject is for the AZVGC and not the AZVJC. Someone had to
say it! :o) This subject really should be answered by the gun experts.
Joe West!!!!
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice:(480)346-6249
Fax:(480)346-6813
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:26 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Bill - Jeeps Only
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Bill,
It's not? Try reading the Arizona Revised Statutes Title 13, Chapter 4.
<http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm>
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm
There's some room for interpretation, but it reads fairly black and
white to me. In some instances you are justified to use deadly force to
prevent criminal activity, including crimes against property.
13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention
A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and
deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person
reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is
immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an
occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or
first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section
13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree
murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor
under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child
molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904,
or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1
and 2.
13-1507. Burglary in the second degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the second degree by entering or
remaining unlawfully in or on a residential structure with the intent to
commit any theft or any felony therein.
B. Burglary in the second degree is a class 3 felony.
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
It's not legal to walk out in the parking lot of the apartment complex
and waste them with 17 rounds to the face, but if they are in a fenced
yard, or in your garage it's a different story.
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" < <mailto:bill@j...>
bill@j...>
To: < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> And as tempting as it is, it's not legal to use a weapon to protect
> property. You have to prove self defense.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> <http://www.jeepsonly.com> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DesertJeep" < <mailto:joey@d...>
> joey@d...>
> To: "'TRobertsRN'" < <mailto:TRobertsRN@e...>
TRobertsRN@e...>; < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
>
>
> > I think a better moral to this story is leave it to the
> > professionals. Call 911 and let the police handle it. Is your life
> > really worth anything in or on your Jeep. You never know what a car
> > thief is carrying. He could have just got a gun from the car before
> > yours.
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@e...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Friend of mine was in this situation before. He didn't call 911 and
> > went out to his Jeep and started beating the piss of the guy trying
> > to jack his stereo. The guy turns on him with his screwdriver and
> > stabs him in the gut and (unbenost to him at the time) the pecker.
> > Took the screwdriver away from him and continued to beat him till he
> > got weak in the knees and the guy ran off. Then he called 911 for
> > an ambulance. He said he was doing fine until the ER doc showed him
> > the blood vessels of his pecker falling out of the screwdriver slice
> > looking very much like tiny intestines. He passed out at that
> > point. Moral of the story, no matter how mad you are remember to go
> > armed. Evidence from this crime led to an arrest after the thief
> > had stabbed a couple of others.
> >
> >
> > Thomas Roberts
> > 78 Cherokee WT, 360 bored 30 over
> > 3" Rough Country Lift
> > TH4000, 3 in. lift, 33x12.5 all terrains
> > Custom bumpers and full cage of schedule 40 pipe
> > Gilbert, AZ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Golden" < <mailto:mgolden@c...>
mgolden@c...>
> > To: "AZVJC" < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> > Sweet! Congratulations!
> >
> > "Honest ossifer! I don't know how his face got all bloody. He
> > must've tripped or something!"
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt aka Machew wrote:
> > > Chalk one up for the good guys..... Last night i caught a couple
> > of
> > > guys in my jeep. They were in the process of gently (i think
> > > not) >
> > removing my sound system. Once the call was made to the Phx PD I
> > when
> > > out an confronted them. Which by the way isn't the
> > > safest/smartest >
> > thing to do at 12:30am or any time of day for that matter, anyways
> > > thanks to a quick response from Phx PD and my own efforts, we were
> > > able to apprehend/ID the individuals and recover stolen items from
> > 8 > other vehicles in the complex. > > > > > Your use of
> > Yahoo! Groups is subject to <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
entities other than the intended recipient or employees of
MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error,
please
contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer..
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75633 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:12pm
Subject: RE: Nasty tow strap picture
People always comment about the hook on the end of the tow strap (those that
come that way) as being dangerous and such....as well as the concept of
hooking a conventional tow strap (with no hook) around a tow hitch ball. '
Now don't get me wrong.....I am not saying I approve of either one of those
practices.
But....I've always wondered about one thing....I've never heard anyone talk
about what happens if the hook on the front or rear of your vehicle breaks
while you have a strap on it. Now....if the regular tow strap that is
looped around the hitch ball can turn into a missle and take someone out,
why doesn't any mention the same about the hook breaking off and taking
someone out? I've never heard any caution anyone else about that.
I am not flaming on Mike....it is simply that his comment, which I have seen
dozens and dozens of times before, caught my eye and I finally decided to
ask my question.
What causes us to poo poo one method and not another. (yes, I know the
straps that come with the hooks attached are often times pretty
cheap......and I also know what most folks pay for a pair of after market
tow hooks too.)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Golden [mailto:mgolden@c...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:52 AM
To: AZVJC; ArizonaXJ
Subject: [az_vjc] Nasty tow strap picture
Wanna see why you should buy a good tow strap, and not one of the cheap
ones with the metal hooks attached? Wanna see why you shouldn't hook a
strap to a tow hitch ball?
http://www.cataclysm.net/4x4/killerstrap.jpg
Something to think about.
Mike
--
What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75634 From: Linda <minihummer@w...> <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:15pm
Subject: Re: ZJ lift kit advice?
Up to 4.5" and the lift is pretty easy and the ZJ will continue to
ride like stock but have a lot more flex on the trails. You can go up
to a 32" tire with 4.5". 4.5" is the smallest lift I would recommend
regardless of your intent. The cost is well worth it.
Over 4.5" and the real fun begins. You don't want to do a 4.5" plus
spacers. It'll cause no end of grief. Go with custom coils instead.
Track bars (front and rear) will have to be realigned to get optimal
suspension performance. The subframe will have to be strengthened and
all the control arm bracktery on the body will need to be beefed up.
The rear driveshaft will require an SYE kit (if you use the Tom Wood
kit for the NP242 expect to do a little more modification). The front
driveshaft will require a little shortening. Of course the on-
pavement ride is a little quirky, but easy to get used to.
Lift kits. The best is really to piece one together if you can. I
like the hiem-jointed/OEM rubber control arms better than the johnny
jointed (RE), or poly-bushed (rancho, skyjacker, etc.). These won't
bind, but will require rebuilding every once in a while. A good
fabricator (ask around, but I like Hunter Offroad Products) can make
the heim-joint/OEM bushing arms for the same price (or less) than you
can buy them off-the-shelf. Look for a front track bar that pivots
verically on the upper mount. There is a trackbar relocation bracket
that moves the lower trackbar mount up above the axle. I like the JKS
adjustable rear track bar. Coils: You'll need to decide what you are
planning on using the ZJ for. I went for extreme articulation and
ordered custom coils with a spring rate around 130#/in. The RE 4.5"
coils come in around 175#/in and I found them a bit stiff. Of course,
longer brake lines for the front (RE has these, I think they are YJ
brake lines). Building a lift that is higher than 4.5" for a ZJ costs
about the same as buying a 4.5" lift for a ZJ. Look around for used
suspension parts to save a few bucks.
Of course, you can buy my ZJ (which is trail ready) instead ;-)
Feel free to email me directly if you have more questions.
Linda
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...> wrote:
>
75635 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:20pm
Subject: [FS] 1988 super cherokee
Price: $6000
Contact: Nick Apostolos apostolos@uswest.net ro (602)697 9332
1988
cherokee pioneer with recent 4.7litre stroker addition. New ax15 tranny and rebuilt transfer(np231). 4.5 in rubicon express lift, 33in mickeys. Has autometer phantom gauges and spray in bed liner inside. Has stock axles but 4.10 gears. I also have alot of extra parts ie beadlocks, axles, tires, fender flares. This jeep will go ANYWHERE.... Call to check out.
75636 From: <AZICE626@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:24am
Subject: Re: Caught jacking my jeep!
In a message dated 1/16/03 10:16:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, bill@jeepsonly.com writes:
since you then
need to convince a court of law
whats that old saying???.....better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6???
75637 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:25pm
Subject: RE: Caught jacking my jeep!
Joey,
Yeah, the cops come by an hour later and file a report that is never
followed up on. Most of the time they don't even dust the vehicle for
prints. The thief is free to steal again. Sometimes these thieves come
back to rob the same place again.
BTW, did your cops ever catch the guys that robbed your neighbors house
last year? Hmm, lets just hide in the closet while they empty out the
house. Then when they are gone we'll call the police. If we are lucky
they won't find us in the closet and kill us or beat the heck out of us
or rape our wives or daughters while we helplessly watch.
You are a good friend. Sometimes we just gotta agree to disagree to keep
the peace, right?
:D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:08 PM
To: 'Trujillo, Jeff'; 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
You need advice on whether to stay inside and call the cops or to
dramatically increase your chances of being killed by confronting a
burglar in your Jeep (to keep it related)??
I can understand it if you were going to work and accidentally
interrupted the thief. But not if you know or possibly know someone is
in the Jeep then confront them. Better off having the cops take care of
it. You do carry insurance right?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Trujillo, Jeff [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:32 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
The way I read it as: they have to have a weapon (see below in bold).
Also, this subject is for the AZVGC and not the AZVJC. Someone had to
say it! :o) This subject really should be answered by the gun experts.
Joe West!!!!
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice:(480)346-6249
Fax:(480)346-6813
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:26 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Bill - Jeeps Only
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Bill,
It's not? Try reading the Arizona Revised Statutes Title 13, Chapter 4.
<http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm>
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm
There's some room for interpretation, but it reads fairly black and
white to me. In some instances you are justified to use deadly force to
prevent criminal activity, including crimes against property.
13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention
A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and
deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person
reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is
immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an
occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or
first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section
13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree
murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor
under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child
molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904,
or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1
and 2.
13-1507. Burglary in the second degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the second degree by entering or
remaining unlawfully in or on a residential structure with the intent to
commit any theft or any felony therein.
B. Burglary in the second degree is a class 3 felony.
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
It's not legal to walk out in the parking lot of the apartment complex
and waste them with 17 rounds to the face, but if they are in a fenced
yard, or in your garage it's a different story.
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" < <mailto:bill@j...>
bill@j...>
To: < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> And as tempting as it is, it's not legal to use a weapon to protect
> property. You have to prove self defense.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> <http://www.jeepsonly.com> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DesertJeep" < <mailto:joey@d...>
> joey@d...>
> To: "'TRobertsRN'" < <mailto:TRobertsRN@e...>
TRobertsRN@e...>; < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
>
>
> > I think a better moral to this story is leave it to the
> > professionals. Call 911 and let the police handle it. Is your life
> > really worth anything in or on your Jeep. You never know what a car
> > thief is carrying. He could have just got a gun from the car before
> > yours.
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@e...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Friend of mine was in this situation before. He didn't call 911 and
> > went out to his Jeep and started beating the piss of the guy trying
> > to jack his stereo. The guy turns on him with his screwdriver and
> > stabs him in the gut and (unbenost to him at the time) the pecker.
> > Took the screwdriver away from him and continued to beat him till he
> > got weak in the knees and the guy ran off. Then he called 911 for
> > an ambulance. He said he was doing fine until the ER doc showed him
> > the blood vessels of his pecker falling out of the screwdriver slice
> > looking very much like tiny intestines. He passed out at that
> > point. Moral of the story, no matter how mad you are remember to go
> > armed. Evidence from this crime led to an arrest after the thief
> > had stabbed a couple of others.
> >
> >
> > Thomas Roberts
> > 78 Cherokee WT, 360 bored 30 over
> > 3" Rough Country Lift
> > TH4000, 3 in. lift, 33x12.5 all terrains
> > Custom bumpers and full cage of schedule 40 pipe
> > Gilbert, AZ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Golden" < <mailto:mgolden@c...>
mgolden@c...>
> > To: "AZVJC" < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> > Sweet! Congratulations!
> >
> > "Honest ossifer! I don't know how his face got all bloody. He
> > must've tripped or something!"
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt aka Machew wrote:
> > > Chalk one up for the good guys..... Last night i caught a couple
> > of
> > > guys in my jeep. They were in the process of gently (i think
> > > not) >
> > removing my sound system. Once the call was made to the Phx PD I
> > when
> > > out an confronted them. Which by the way isn't the
> > > safest/smartest >
> > thing to do at 12:30am or any time of day for that matter, anyways
> > > thanks to a quick response from Phx PD and my own efforts, we were
> > > able to apprehend/ID the individuals and recover stolen items from
> > 8 > other vehicles in the complex. > > > > > Your use of
> > Yahoo! Groups is subject to <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
entities other than the intended recipient or employees of
MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error,
please
contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer..
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75638 From: <hillb@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: Paint
I've ran into that problem at both Space Age & Sherwin Williams (formerly
Glendale Paint & Supply). My color paint is only available in base coat,
so they can't put it in a spray can. They'll sell me a 1/2 pint of base
coat for about $43, but then I'll have to get everything else to go with
the base coat.
I think rattlecan black is looking better and better. Do you guys have any
recommendations for black paint. It's going on the front bumper, so I'd
like to have a strong paint that will resist chips.
Thanks,
Ben
"Lachlan
<jeepindog@ya To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
hoo.com>" cc:
<jeepindog Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Paint
01/16/2003
12:44 PM
Two different people there told me that they couldn't match my
Gunmetal and put it into any type of container. I think it depends
on the color of the Jeep. Sherwin Williams Auto Paint store could do
it, though, except that their minimum order is one quart. That comes
out to about 4 spary cans. Or three spray cans and one regular can.
They will put it into whatever container you want, as long as it's at
least one quart. About $48.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> Space Age Paints on Country Club, North of Southern. They take the
paint
> code from your jeep and match it exactly.
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
> '51CJ3A
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hillb@s...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Paint
>
>
> > I thought I heard some one talking about a local paint shop that
can match
> > you Jeep's paint and put it in a spray can. Does this sound
familiar? I
> > need to paint my bumper and was trying to get it to match my body
color.
> >
> > Thanks for the help,
> > Ben Hill
> > Grape Ape XJ
> > http://www.bensjeep.homestead.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75639 From: Richard Logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:38pm
Subject: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a
I am looking and getting the lojack put in mine it not only alerts me but the police all thru az, ca etc
they call 5 different numbers to alert me a little price ouch LOL but allot cheaper than losing my jeep insurance will not even cover half of what I put into it and I have full coverage and expensive insurance at that with the LoJack it will go down dramaticly it has other cool features also
Rick Logan
75640 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:35pm
Subject: RE: Caught jacking my jeep!
Sorry Scott we were talking about the Jeep in the front yard. Inside the
house is definitely a different situation.
You're right they may get away. But they are idiots and will eventually
get caught anyway, just a matter of time that's all.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:26 PM
To: joey@d...; 'Trujillo, Jeff'; 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Joey,
Yeah, the cops come by an hour later and file a report that is never
followed up on. Most of the time they don't even dust the vehicle for
prints. The thief is free to steal again. Sometimes these thieves come
back to rob the same place again.
BTW, did your cops ever catch the guys that robbed your neighbors house
last year? Hmm, lets just hide in the closet while they empty out the
house. Then when they are gone we'll call the police. If we are lucky
they won't find us in the closet and kill us or beat the heck out of us
or rape our wives or daughters while we helplessly watch.
You are a good friend. Sometimes we just gotta agree to disagree to keep
the peace, right?
:D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:08 PM
To: 'Trujillo, Jeff'; 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
You need advice on whether to stay inside and call the cops or to
dramatically increase your chances of being killed by confronting a
burglar in your Jeep (to keep it related)??
I can understand it if you were going to work and accidentally
interrupted the thief. But not if you know or possibly know someone is
in the Jeep then confront them. Better off having the cops take care of
it. You do carry insurance right?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Trujillo, Jeff [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:32 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
The way I read it as: they have to have a weapon (see below in bold).
Also, this subject is for the AZVGC and not the AZVJC. Someone had to
say it! :o) This subject really should be answered by the gun experts.
Joe West!!!!
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice:(480)346-6249
Fax:(480)346-6813
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:26 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Bill - Jeeps Only
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Bill,
It's not? Try reading the Arizona Revised Statutes Title 13, Chapter 4.
<http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm>
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm
There's some room for interpretation, but it reads fairly black and
white to me. In some instances you are justified to use deadly force to
prevent criminal activity, including crimes against property.
13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention
A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and
deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person
reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is
immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an
occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or
first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section
13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree
murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor
under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child
molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904,
or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1
and 2.
13-1507. Burglary in the second degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the second degree by entering or
remaining unlawfully in or on a residential structure with the intent to
commit any theft or any felony therein.
B. Burglary in the second degree is a class 3 felony.
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
It's not legal to walk out in the parking lot of the apartment complex
and waste them with 17 rounds to the face, but if they are in a fenced
yard, or in your garage it's a different story.
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" < <mailto:bill@j...>
bill@j...>
To: < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> And as tempting as it is, it's not legal to use a weapon to protect
> property. You have to prove self defense.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> <http://www.jeepsonly.com> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DesertJeep" < <mailto:joey@d...>
> joey@d...>
> To: "'TRobertsRN'" < <mailto:TRobertsRN@e...>
TRobertsRN@e...>; < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
>
>
> > I think a better moral to this story is leave it to the
> > professionals. Call 911 and let the police handle it. Is your life
> > really worth anything in or on your Jeep. You never know what a car
> > thief is carrying. He could have just got a gun from the car before
> > yours.
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@e...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Friend of mine was in this situation before. He didn't call 911 and
> > went out to his Jeep and started beating the piss of the guy trying
> > to jack his stereo. The guy turns on him with his screwdriver and
> > stabs him in the gut and (unbenost to him at the time) the pecker.
> > Took the screwdriver away from him and continued to beat him till he
> > got weak in the knees and the guy ran off. Then he called 911 for
> > an ambulance. He said he was doing fine until the ER doc showed him
> > the blood vessels of his pecker falling out of the screwdriver slice
> > looking very much like tiny intestines. He passed out at that
> > point. Moral of the story, no matter how mad you are remember to go
> > armed. Evidence from this crime led to an arrest after the thief
> > had stabbed a couple of others.
> >
> >
> > Thomas Roberts
> > 78 Cherokee WT, 360 bored 30 over
> > 3" Rough Country Lift
> > TH4000, 3 in. lift, 33x12.5 all terrains
> > Custom bumpers and full cage of schedule 40 pipe
> > Gilbert, AZ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Golden" < <mailto:mgolden@c...>
mgolden@c...>
> > To: "AZVJC" < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> > Sweet! Congratulations!
> >
> > "Honest ossifer! I don't know how his face got all bloody. He
> > must've tripped or something!"
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt aka Machew wrote:
> > > Chalk one up for the good guys..... Last night i caught a couple
> > of
> > > guys in my jeep. They were in the process of gently (i think
> > > not) >
> > removing my sound system. Once the call was made to the Phx PD I
> > when
> > > out an confronted them. Which by the way isn't the
> > > safest/smartest >
> > thing to do at 12:30am or any time of day for that matter, anyways
> > > thanks to a quick response from Phx PD and my own efforts, we were
> > > able to apprehend/ID the individuals and recover stolen items from
> > 8 > other vehicles in the complex. > > > > > Your use of
> > Yahoo! Groups is subject to <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
entities other than the intended recipient or employees of
MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error,
please
contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer..
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75641 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:38pm
Subject: RE: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a
Rick,
If you keep receipts and have it appraised I don't see why you wouldn't get back at least most of what you put in to it. Of course the appraisal may raise your insurance. ;)
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Logan [mailto:rlogan@dialresults.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:38 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Dont' get your jeep jacked get a
I am looking and getting the lojack put in mine it not only alerts me but the police all thru az, ca etc
they call 5 different numbers to alert me a little price ouch LOL but allot cheaper than losing my jeep insurance will not even cover half of what I put into it and I have full coverage and expensive insurance at that with the LoJack it will go down dramaticly it has other cool features also
Rick Logan
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
75642 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:40pm
Subject: RE: Caught jacking my jeep!
True, its slightly different. But as I see it, one day they are jacking
cars, the next month they move up to breaking into houses. May as well
stop them while their criminal history is still young.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:Joey@D...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:36 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Trujillo, Jeff'; 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Sorry Scott we were talking about the Jeep in the front yard. Inside the
house is definitely a different situation.
You're right they may get away. But they are idiots and will eventually
get caught anyway, just a matter of time that's all.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:26 PM
To: joey@d...; 'Trujillo, Jeff'; 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Joey,
Yeah, the cops come by an hour later and file a report that is never
followed up on. Most of the time they don't even dust the vehicle for
prints. The thief is free to steal again. Sometimes these thieves come
back to rob the same place again.
BTW, did your cops ever catch the guys that robbed your neighbors house
last year? Hmm, lets just hide in the closet while they empty out the
house. Then when they are gone we'll call the police. If we are lucky
they won't find us in the closet and kill us or beat the heck out of us
or rape our wives or daughters while we helplessly watch.
You are a good friend. Sometimes we just gotta agree to disagree to keep
the peace, right?
:D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:08 PM
To: 'Trujillo, Jeff'; 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
You need advice on whether to stay inside and call the cops or to
dramatically increase your chances of being killed by confronting a
burglar in your Jeep (to keep it related)??
I can understand it if you were going to work and accidentally
interrupted the thief. But not if you know or possibly know someone is
in the Jeep then confront them. Better off having the cops take care of
it. You do carry insurance right?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Trujillo, Jeff [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:32 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
The way I read it as: they have to have a weapon (see below in bold).
Also, this subject is for the AZVGC and not the AZVJC. Someone had to
say it! :o) This subject really should be answered by the gun experts.
Joe West!!!!
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice:(480)346-6249
Fax:(480)346-6813
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:26 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Bill - Jeeps Only
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Bill,
It's not? Try reading the Arizona Revised Statutes Title 13, Chapter 4.
<http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm>
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm
There's some room for interpretation, but it reads fairly black and
white to me. In some instances you are justified to use deadly force to
prevent criminal activity, including crimes against property.
13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention
A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and
deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person
reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is
immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an
occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or
first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section
13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree
murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor
under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child
molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904,
or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1
and 2.
13-1507. Burglary in the second degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the second degree by entering or
remaining unlawfully in or on a residential structure with the intent to
commit any theft or any felony therein.
B. Burglary in the second degree is a class 3 felony.
13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous
instrument in the course of committing any theft or any felony.
B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a
fenced commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class
2 felony if committed in a residential structure.
It's not legal to walk out in the parking lot of the apartment complex
and waste them with 17 rounds to the face, but if they are in a fenced
yard, or in your garage it's a different story.
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" < <mailto:bill@j...>
bill@j...>
To: < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> And as tempting as it is, it's not legal to use a weapon to protect
> property. You have to prove self defense.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> <http://www.jeepsonly.com> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DesertJeep" < <mailto:joey@d...>
> joey@d...>
> To: "'TRobertsRN'" < <mailto:TRobertsRN@e...>
TRobertsRN@e...>; < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
>
>
> > I think a better moral to this story is leave it to the
> > professionals. Call 911 and let the police handle it. Is your life
> > really worth anything in or on your Jeep. You never know what a car
> > thief is carrying. He could have just got a gun from the car before
> > yours.
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@e...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Friend of mine was in this situation before. He didn't call 911 and
> > went out to his Jeep and started beating the piss of the guy trying
> > to jack his stereo. The guy turns on him with his screwdriver and
> > stabs him in the gut and (unbenost to him at the time) the pecker.
> > Took the screwdriver away from him and continued to beat him till he
> > got weak in the knees and the guy ran off. Then he called 911 for
> > an ambulance. He said he was doing fine until the ER doc showed him
> > the blood vessels of his pecker falling out of the screwdriver slice
> > looking very much like tiny intestines. He passed out at that
> > point. Moral of the story, no matter how mad you are remember to go
> > armed. Evidence from this crime led to an arrest after the thief
> > had stabbed a couple of others.
> >
> >
> > Thomas Roberts
> > 78 Cherokee WT, 360 bored 30 over
> > 3" Rough Country Lift
> > TH4000, 3 in. lift, 33x12.5 all terrains
> > Custom bumpers and full cage of schedule 40 pipe
> > Gilbert, AZ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Golden" < <mailto:mgolden@c...>
mgolden@c...>
> > To: "AZVJC" < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> > Sweet! Congratulations!
> >
> > "Honest ossifer! I don't know how his face got all bloody. He
> > must've tripped or something!"
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt aka Machew wrote:
> > > Chalk one up for the good guys..... Last night i caught a couple
> > of
> > > guys in my jeep. They were in the process of gently (i think
> > > not) >
> > removing my sound system. Once the call was made to the Phx PD I
> > when
> > > out an confronted them. Which by the way isn't the
> > > safest/smartest >
> > thing to do at 12:30am or any time of day for that matter, anyways
> > > thanks to a quick response from Phx PD and my own efforts, we were
> > > able to apprehend/ID the individuals and recover stolen items from
> > 8 > other vehicles in the complex. > > > > > Your use of
> > Yahoo! Groups is subject to <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
entities other than the intended recipient or employees of
MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error,
please
contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer..
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75643 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...> <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:42pm
Subject: [FS] Jeep stuff
Rear bumper off a TJ, no scratches or dents, no end caps. FREE
Spare stock tire, 0 miles - Make offer
Soft Top storage boot for YJ - FREE
Basketball hoop and backboard - BARELY used - Make offer
I think that is all I can think of for now.....
Mike Baney
jeepin_in_az(@)yahoo.com
75644 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:57pm
Subject: RE: Caught jacking my jeep!
I am certainly NOT the gun-law expert...
Here is the local gun-law expert:
Tom LaFrance
Tom teaches a Concealed Carry class here in Arizona so he knows the laws
better than most.
The right answer to your question is that you should avoid using your gun
any chance you have. There are specific occasions when you can use your gun
(as outlined by the attached ARS that some one posted) but for the most
part, you should do everything in your power not to have to use it. Stay
out of situations where you might need a gun... be constantly alert so that
you can avoid circumstances where you might need a weapon AND, don't draw
your weapon unless you have reason to believe that you will need it AND be
prepared to use it if you pull it.
I'm sure Tom will elaborate more; but I learned how NOT to use a weapon in
my CCW class...
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill - Jeeps Only [mailto:bill@j...]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail); Trujillo, Jeff
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
Yeah Joe, please do advise. My mistake. Perhaps I shouldn't have said
"against the law" as much as it's usually not a good idea since you then
need to convince a court of law that your use of deadly force was
justifiable. Sometimes the guilty go free and the innocent don't and despite
the letter of the law, it's up to interpretation of the law as well as what
happened at the scene. I'm just not sure shooting some kid who is stealing
your stereo would be seen as a justifiable action by a judge or jury.
I guess we are getting into AZVGC territory here but I think it's not a bad
idea for the AZVJC group to discuss whether or not you can shoot somebody
who is stealing stuff from your Jeep. Although, overall the decision anyone
reading this thread makes on this issue should be based on law and not from
our conversations on this thread.
Should we move this to AZVGC?
---------------
Bill Hooven
Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
---------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trujillo, Jeff" <jeff.trujillo@m...>
To: "AZVJC (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> The way I read it as: they have to have a weapon (see below in bold).
Also,
> this subject is for the AZVGC and not the AZVJC. Someone had to say it!
:o)
> This subject really should be answered by the gun experts. Joe West!!!!
>
>
>
> 13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
>
> A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
> accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and
> knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument
in
> the course of committing any theft or any felony.
>
> B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a fenced
> commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class 2 felony
> if committed in a residential structure.
>
>
>
> Jeffrey A. Trujillo
> Field Service Representative
> MD Helicopters, Inc.
> jeff.trujillo@m...
> Voice:(480)346-6249
> Fax:(480)346-6813
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:26 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Bill - Jeeps Only
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
>
>
> Bill,
>
> It's not? Try reading the Arizona Revised Statutes Title 13, Chapter 4.
>
> <http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm>
> http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/title13.htm
>
> There's some room for interpretation, but it reads fairly black and white
to
> me. In some instances you are justified to use deadly force to prevent
> criminal activity, including crimes against property.
>
> 13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention
>
> A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and
> deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person
> reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is
> immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an
> occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or first
> degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section 13-1304,
> manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree murder under
> section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor under section
> 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child molestation under
> section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904, or aggravated
assault
> under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1 and 2.
>
> 13-1507. Burglary in the second degree; classification
>
> A. A person commits burglary in the second degree by entering or remaining
> unlawfully in or on a residential structure with the intent to commit any
> theft or any felony therein.
>
> B. Burglary in the second degree is a class 3 felony.
>
> 13-1508. Burglary in the first degree; classification
>
> A. A person commits burglary in the first degree if such person or an
> accomplice violates the provisions of either section 13-1506 or 13-1507
and
> knowingly possesses explosives, a deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument
in
> the course of committing any theft or any felony.
>
> B. Burglary in the first degree of a nonresidential structure or a fenced
> commercial or residential yard is a class 3 felony. It is a class 2 felony
> if committed in a residential structure.
>
> It's not legal to walk out in the parking lot of the apartment complex and
> waste them with 17 rounds to the face, but if they are in a fenced yard,
or
> in your garage it's a different story.
>
> Mitch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" < <mailto:bill@j...>
bill@j...>
> To: < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
>
>
> > And as tempting as it is, it's not legal to use a weapon to protect
> > property. You have to prove self defense.
> >
> > ---------------
> > Bill Hooven
> > Jeeps Only
> > <http://www.jeepsonly.com> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> > A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DesertJeep" < <mailto:joey@d...> joey@d...>
> > To: "'TRobertsRN'" < <mailto:TRobertsRN@e...>
> TRobertsRN@e...>; < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:53 AM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> >
> >
> > > I think a better moral to this story is leave it to the professionals.
> > > Call 911 and let the police handle it. Is your life really worth
> > > anything in or on your Jeep. You never know what a car thief is
> > > carrying. He could have just got a gun from the car before yours.
> > >
> > > Joey K
> > > 93YJ
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@e...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:29 AM
> > > To: <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Friend of mine was in this situation before. He didn't call 911 and
> > > went out to his Jeep and started beating the piss of the guy trying to
> > > jack his stereo. The guy turns on him with his screwdriver and stabs
> > > him in the gut and (unbenost to him at the time) the pecker. Took the
> > > screwdriver away from him and continued to beat him till he got weak
in
> > > the knees and the guy ran off. Then he called 911 for an ambulance.
He
> > > said he was doing fine until the ER doc showed him the blood vessels
of
> > > his pecker falling out of the screwdriver slice looking very much like
> > > tiny intestines. He passed out at that point. Moral of the story, no
> > > matter how mad you are remember to go armed. Evidence from this crime
> > > led to an arrest after the thief had stabbed a couple of others.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thomas Roberts
> > > 78 Cherokee WT, 360 bored 30 over
> > > 3" Rough Country Lift
> > > TH4000, 3 in. lift, 33x12.5 all terrains
> > > Custom bumpers and full cage of schedule 40 pipe
> > > Gilbert, AZ
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mike Golden" < <mailto:mgolden@c...>
> mgolden@c...>
> > > To: "AZVJC" < <mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Caught jacking my jeep!
> > >
> > >
> > > Sweet! Congratulations!
> > >
> > > "Honest ossifer! I don't know how his face got all bloody. He
must've
> > > tripped or something!"
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Matt aka Machew wrote:
> > > > Chalk one up for the good guys..... Last night i caught a couple
of
> > > > guys in my jeep. They were in the process of gently (i think not)
>
> > > removing my sound system. Once the call was made to the Phx PD I when
> > > > out an confronted them. Which by the way isn't the safest/smartest
>
> > > thing to do at 12:30am or any time of day for that matter, anyways >
> > > thanks to a quick response from Phx PD and my own efforts, we were >
> > > able to apprehend/ID the individuals and recover stolen items from 8
>
> > > other vehicles in the complex. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo!
Groups
> > > is subject to <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
> entities other than the intended recipient or employees of
> MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error,
please
> contact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer..
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75645 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 0:06pm
Subject: Re: [FS] Wanted: Guages
Mike,
Try either:
4 Wheeler Supply
3530 E Washington
Phoenix, AZ
602-273-7195
- or -
AMC 4 X 4 Salvage
6741 West Belmont (just south of Grand Ave.)
Glendale, AZ
623-937-5899
HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
AzVJC Website wrote:
Price: ?
Contact: 480-650-3392
I'm looking for a CJ speedo, and other CJ guages. Or, if you have something similar to a CJ speedo, that too. Not looking to pay too much, but I need some guages for the Nisotalet.
Mike
mcsoom@hotmail.com
Michael Soo
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
75646 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:40pm
Subject: Re: re. intentional trail blockage
Has this been cleared up or do we want someone to go out and take a look?
I will be willing to go out there Saturday morning around 8:00 at the Texaco in FJ if some others want to go.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee McCullen
To: Martin Ward ; enb4w ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:15 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
I'll post Saturday or Sunday as soon as I get a confirmation from those going. Probably meet at the Texaco around 8:30 a.m. Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Ward [mailto:martinida@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:24 PM
To: enb4w; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Sandee McCullen
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
If my front ARB is up and running I would like to run with you all.
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee McCullen
To: enb4w ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
BLM did not do this................... yes, it's possible the miner did this but this waterfall is well onto BLM lands......... not private. Jack and I will go out this weekend and take a look. Anyone interested in tagging along?
Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: enb4w [mailto:enb4w@earnhardt.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:10 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Let me throw a wrench into everyone’s thinking. That is the area with the minor. Is it not possible that he did the blasting because he didn’t want people coming through his mine area? Before somebody goes off blaming the BLM that should be looked at and figured out…..
That’s my two cents…..
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@theriver.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Don’t know couldn’t tell you. I don’t know the trails at FJ to have any clue. If I new my way around and had lockers I would go check it out tomorrow.
Clint
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@cableaz.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:43 PM
To: Clint Ramsey; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
Clint, all...........
Jack just plotted Gary's coordinances and his plot shows the top of Bad Medicine.................... That's all I know. S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@theriver.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:42 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
This is what I got when I entered the coordinates at topozone
Here's a USGS topographic map from the TopoZone!
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=12&n=3671430&e=482958&s=25
Clint Ramsey
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
_________________________________________________
Scanned for viruses on 14 Jan 2003 21:01:12
No viruses found.
Virus scanning by http://virusscanning.net
_________________________________________________
Scanned for viruses on 14 Jan 2003 21:10:31
No viruses found.
Virus scanning by http://virusscanning.net
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
75647 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:43pm
Subject: [TR] Coves of Saguaro Lake - Monday, January 20, 2003
Hello All,
Phil Thompson is leading a Coves of Saguaro Lake trail run on Monday, January 20, 2003.
When: Meet around 10:00 am
Where: Mc Donald's on Power Road 1/4 Mile North of U.S. 60 on west side, or 10:30 at Butcher Jones Parking area.
Rating: 2.5+
Length: ?
CB Channel:
Plenty of open spaces to play in. I'd prefer someone with intimate knowledge of the area to lead but it'll be fun one way or another. Come on out and enjoy the weather.
At the Coves of Saguaro Lake, there are at least 4 coves to play in, on, and around. Many hill climbs provide a challenge to all levels of 4-Wheelers and vehicles.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75648 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:43pm
Subject: Re: Nasty tow strap picture
I say "poo poo" to all winch cables that have a metal hook on
the end of them for the same reason as the tow strap complaint. Stu,
you have a good point.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> People always comment about the hook on the end of the tow strap
(those that
> come that way) as being dangerous and such....as well as the
concept of
> hooking a conventional tow strap (with no hook) around a tow hitch
ball. '
>
> Now don't get me wrong.....I am not saying I approve of either one
of those
> practices.
>
> But....I've always wondered about one thing....I've never heard
anyone talk
> about what happens if the hook on the front or rear of your vehicle
breaks
> while you have a strap on it. Now....if the regular tow strap that
is
> looped around the hitch ball can turn into a missle and take
someone out,
> why doesn't any mention the same about the hook breaking off and
taking
> someone out? I've never heard any caution anyone else about that.
>
> I am not flaming on Mike....it is simply that his comment, which I
have seen
> dozens and dozens of times before, caught my eye and I finally
decided to
> ask my question.
>
> What causes us to poo poo one method and not another. (yes, I know
the
> straps that come with the hooks attached are often times pretty
> cheap......and I also know what most folks pay for a pair of after
market
> tow hooks too.)
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Golden [mailto:mgolden@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:52 AM
> To: AZVJC; ArizonaXJ
> Subject: [az_vjc] Nasty tow strap picture
>
>
> Wanna see why you should buy a good tow strap, and not one of the
cheap
> ones with the metal hooks attached? Wanna see why you shouldn't
hook a
> strap to a tow hitch ball?
>
> http://www.cataclysm.net/4x4/killerstrap.jpg
>
> Something to think about.
>
> Mike
> --
> What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
75649 From: Scott Edwards <azcj@y...> <azcj@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:51pm
Subject: Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a
I have Lojack in mine. Unless they have added some features, what you
described isn't how it works. The instructions right off the back of
my card from my wallet say to call the police department in the city
it was stolen from and give them the VIN. Then the police send out a
signal to the unit in the vehicle which causes the stolen vehicle to
transmit. Certain police cars can then track the stolen vehicle. The
cars that can have 4 small antennas in a square pattern on the trunk.
At least in mine, there is no notification to me or the police that
the vehicle has been stolen until I notice and report it.
-Scott Edwards
'97 TJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Logan" <rlogan@d...> wrote:
> I am looking and getting the lojack put in mine it not only alerts
me but the police all thru az, ca etc
> they call 5 different numbers to alert me a little price ouch LOL
but allot cheaper than losing my jeep insurance will not even cover
half of what I put into it and I have full coverage and expensive
insurance at that with the LoJack it will go down dramaticly it has
other cool features also
>
> Rick Logan
75650 From: Richard Logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a LOjack
They now have a new release costs $100.00 more but you have a remote and if
they break in and start it without key it alerts you they also want 5
contact numbers to alert you and by your key ring beeper and phone call yes
i makes it faster to you to check it out and call police and they also have
a new hidden feature kill switch where for instance you have to turn your
right blinker on or it will not start or some other routine. So this is the
next modle the have with what I metioned above cost for new unit 850.00 plus
lifetime monitor for 250.00
----- Original Message -----
From: <azcj@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:51 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Dont' get your jeep jacked get a
> I have Lojack in mine. Unless they have added some features, what you
> described isn't how it works. The instructions right off the back of
> my card from my wallet say to call the police department in the city
> it was stolen from and give them the VIN. Then the police send out a
> signal to the unit in the vehicle which causes the stolen vehicle to
> transmit. Certain police cars can then track the stolen vehicle. The
> cars that can have 4 small antennas in a square pattern on the trunk.
> At least in mine, there is no notification to me or the police that
> the vehicle has been stolen until I notice and report it.
>
> -Scott Edwards
> '97 TJ
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Logan" <rlogan@d...> wrote:
> > I am looking and getting the lojack put in mine it not only alerts
> me but the police all thru az, ca etc
> > they call 5 different numbers to alert me a little price ouch LOL
> but allot cheaper than losing my jeep insurance will not even cover
> half of what I put into it and I have full coverage and expensive
> insurance at that with the LoJack it will go down dramaticly it has
> other cool features also
> >
> > Rick Logan
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>