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75475 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:10pm
Subject: AMERICAN PARKS IN TROUBLE: 10 MOST ENDANGERED 2003


The National Parks Conservation Association has released their latest
"the sky is falling" reports. This report has been featured on prime
time national news. Here is the complete emotional rhetoric,
short-on-facts report.



AMERICAN PARKS IN TROUBLE: 10 MOST ENDANGERED 2003

WASHINGTON, DC, January 14, 2003 (ENS) - Insufficient funding
undermines protection of Montana's Glacier National Park. A new city
may grow on private land adjoining California's Joshua Tree National
Park, and pollution from coal burning power plants dims the air over
Great Smoky Mountains National Park. The National Parks Conservation
Association (NPCA) today released its annual list of America's Ten
Most Endangered National Parks, detailing these problems and many
others at five new parks and five the group has listed before.

For full text and graphics visit:
http://ens-news.com/ens/jan2003/2003-01-14-02.asp

--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net



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75476 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...> <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 3:36am
Subject: Re: yj gas tank


Well, I did it on my 93 and it worked. I have put in 20.5 gallons
(coasting into gas station;P)

Scott Maiden

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Smitty <jeepinsmitty@y...> wrote:
>
> Well Indeed all the information out there says that Chrysler only
made one size tank for the Yj's, the 20 gallon one. However I beg to
differ with that. I too was in the mind set of converting my tank to
hold the 20 gallons. When i went through the whole process of pulling
the tube out that is supposed to be something like 9 1/2 inches long.
Mine was only 3 inches, so needless to say I can still only get 15
gallons in my tank. I know this because the day after I pulled the 3
inches of tubing I ran the jeep til I ran out of gas. When I filled
it up only 15 gallons would fit. So I was disappointed. Now I do know
that my yj actually has a 96 engine in it from the VIN thats what teh
dealer told me, so I am not sure if all 95's are the same or not. Its
worth the try or if you can crawl underneath your rig and there is a
barcode sticker on teh drivers side of the tank and post the numbers
on it I can compare it to mine and see if they match or something.
Just FYI..
>
> Smitty
>
> Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...> wrote: That sounds really
freaking weird. There are two different sized tanks.
> Don't know anything about this cutting the tube shorter stuff. You
sure
> about this?
>
> --Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dbkcs [mailto:dbkcs@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] yj gas tank
>
>
> I AM LOOKING FOR HELP TO CONVERT MY 95 YJ TANK FROM A 15 GALLON TO
> A 20 GALLON. I NEED TO DO THIS SATURDAY THE 18TH IN THE AFTERNOON.
> I HAVE THE INFORMATION ON HknowO CONVERT THE TANK. THE INFO SHOWS
> THE TANK IS ACTUALLY A 20 GALLON BUT DUE TO A FILL TUBE IT ONLY A 15
> GALLON. I NEED TO PULL THE FILL TUBE OUT AND CUT IT TO ABOUT 2.5
> INCHES, THUS MAKING IT A 20 GALLON TANK. ANYWAY IF YOU CAN HELP ME
> CALL ME AFTER 6:30 P.M. THIS WEEK AT 623 849 5800 AND ASK STEVE. IF
> I'M NOT HOME LEAVE ME A NUMBER AND I'LL GET IN TOUCH WHEN I GET
> HOME. OR E-MAIL ME AT DBKCS@Y...
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75477 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 4:38am
Subject: Re: Opinions needed.


joe,
if it means anything i am kinda partial to http://www.flatfendertj.com . it
just sounds good. it explains what the site is about. www.joewest.org is
kewl because it lets you know that this is "JOE'S" site.

just my thinkin.... but dont heed the advice of an ignorant turd who can't
even take care of a simple WoBbLe in his front end. oh yea... i still have a
wobble in the jeep too!!!


Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)



----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: "'Nasser'" <nasser88@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Opinions needed.


> Think anyone else will get it?
> <grin>
>
> I just flipped open the book and here's where it opened:
>
> "The mark of your ignorance is the depth of your belief in injustice and
> tragedy.... What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master
> calls a butterfly"
>
> By the way... I printed, and carry with me always; "Messiah's Handbook,
> Reminders for the Advanced Soul"
>
> Want me to print you a copy?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nasser [mailto:nasser88@c...]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:10 PM
> To: arizonajeep@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Opinions needed.
>
> Hi Joe, It was great talking to you the other evening. Thanks for the
> stickers; they look real sharp on the XJ.
>
> By the way how about this for a URL:
>
> http://theadventuresofareluctantroundheadlightjeep.net ;)
>
> Nasser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:33 PM
> To: 'Stu Olson'; 'Azvjc (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Opinions needed.
>
> ROTFL!
>
> Aluminum...for Jeeps who only crawl on other jeeps.
> <grin>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:23 PM
> To: arizonajeep@c...; 'Azvjc (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Opinions needed.
>
> www.joealuminum:justsaynowaytobreakingonthehighway west.org
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:07 PM
> To: arizonajeep@c...; Azvjc (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Opinions needed.
>
> thebestofwest.org lol
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
> To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:02 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Opinions needed.
>
>
> > Hi Gang,
> >
> > I am running into limitations for having Cox host my web page... so I
> have
> > purchased a few URLs and want some opinions on which one I should use
> to
> > host my Jeep webpage... here are the choices:
> >
> > http://www.flatfendertj.com
> >
> > http://www.jeepwrangler.org
> >
> > http://www.joewest.org
> >
> >
> > I took the joewest.org one just because I thought it would be neat to
> put
> > personal stuff on (get yer minds out of the gutter...) <grin>
> >
> > So... what's the consensus? Thoughts?
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe West
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75478 From: <gotrox@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 4:56am
Subject: Intentional Trail Blockage


Well guys, from Clints discription, there is no doubt its Bad Medicine....and as much as I want to believe that the BLM had something to do with this, I would bet money that it was the miner. With all the pressure we have put on the BLM, I doubt that they would do something like this at this time. The miner has ran people off with his shotgun before, and I wouldn't put it past him to pull a stunt like this. If he did do it, then it is up to the authorities to take care of it. And if they don't, we'll write more LETTERS!

Neal


75479 From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...> <gary_pugsley@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:03am
Subject: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage


Sandee,

That sounds like it. There were no real obstacles above this fall in
the wash. I know I was out by Herring Mine a while ago and did not
get a "warm" reception, so I would not be suprised if it was "a"
miner. I had never seen this area before yesterday, but the guy I
was with said the boulders in the fall are new and they are not the
same make-up as the rest of rocks that make the fall. Plus, as I
mentioned, you can still see the dirt where the boulders had been.

I say this fall looks impassable to me, but if you took out
the "fresh" boulders it would still look impassable to me. LOL I'll
be glad when someone who knows the trail goes out and takes a look.
I'm glad we (Sandee) figured out which trail it was.

Gary

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
wrote:
> Gary,
> From the location noted on your map this is the waterfall at the
top of Bad
> Medicine. There have been BIG boulders that fell in from the sides
years
> ago but we've been doing this trail for a long time. There has
been a lot
> of stacking and I did notice "pry marks" along the sides whereas
someone
> pulled smaller rock down to "fill in" the valley/hole. This
happened about
> a year ago. This portion of the trail is on BLM land. Where we
ran into
> problems with Jamboree is the owner of the Herring mine refused to
allow us
> across his property and we had to have "written permission" to do
so for
> Jamboree. This guy is not OHV friendly. A couple of times last
spring he
> met several groups of 4-wheelers with a shotgun in his
arms.............
> "cannot trespass on my property".
>
> If there has in fact been "blasting" it may well be from the miner
and no,
> he cannot do this. BLM did not and most likely, would not blast
any trail.
> (although don't know what this damned Tucson office might do) As
far as BLM
> is concerned this is a legal trail and they have no problem with us
running
> it with the exception of the "private" lands. I haven't been out
there
> lately but I believe there is another small road/trail that leads
down into
> the wash just past the mine site that should be a by-pass for us.
Just have
> to get out there and check.
>
> I'll try and get out there this weekend and see what's up. Sandee
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Pugsley [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:11 PM
> > To: rv6a@m...
> > Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
> >
> >
> > Attached is a map that I did showing some of the landmarks and
> > the area in
> > question. The track is where we went on the quads, we then
> > walked through a
> > rock field to get to the fall.
> >
> > Hope this helps a bit,
> >
> > >From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
> > >To: "Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>" <gary_pugsley@h...>
> > >CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
> >
> > >
> > >I plugged the lats and longs in to Terraserver and here is the
map it
> > >generated. Look familiar to anyone? It doesn't to me.
> > >
> > >http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?Lon=-
> > >111.181666666667&Lat=33.1833333333333&w=1&ref=G%7C-
> > >111.181666666667,33.1833333333333
> > >
> > >Chris
> > >
> > >On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Gary_Pugsley
> > ><gary_pugsley@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer"
(76
> > >>years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out
there).
> > >>
> > >>He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
> > >>Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed
to let
> > >>it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the
trail, the
> > >>boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said
he
> > >>was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed
that
> > >>BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might
have
> > >>an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but
someone
> > >>did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the
boulders
> > >>fell from.
> > >>
> > >>Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that
it
> > >>was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock
jeep
> > >>don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I
did
> > >>have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did
not
> > >>get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter)
boulders
> > >>and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
> > >>basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were
above
> > >>the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> > >>ground) just upstream from it.
> > >>
> > >>Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone
somewhere
> > >>has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't
want
> > >>someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find
this and
> > >>ruin their day.
> > >>
> > >>Gary
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:37am
Subject: [FS] WANTED SOFT DOORS(full or half, black in color)


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Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:42am
Subject: [FS] 1992 JEEP WRANGLER


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75482 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:45am
Subject: [OT] I'd like to host my own website on Cox... Legally...


Does anyone in the group know if Cox business services allows you to do
this? Cox at work?

Has anyone in the group actually done this yet?

If you have any information... please respond off list.

Kind Regards,

Joe West


75483 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...> <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:01am
Subject: Re: re. intentional trail blockage


Nee!

-Roger

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Good point. We need an objective investigation.
>
> Scott K
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:31 PM
> To: 'enb4w'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
>
> John,
>
> Ever see the Monte Python movie "Search for the Holy Grail"?
> For your reading pleasure. for some reason; this feels like an
> appropriate time for it.
> <grin>
>
> A small excerpt from a scene early in the movie.
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
> CROWD:
> A witch! A witch!
> [bonk]
> A witch! A witch!
> MONKS: [chanting]
> Pie Iesu domine...
> CROWD:
> A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A
> witch! A <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-
02.ra>
> witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch! A witch! Burn her! Burn
her!
> Burn her! We've found a witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A
witch! A
> witch!
> VILLAGER #1:
> We have found a witch. May we burn her?
> CROWD:
> Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!
> BEDEVERE:
> How do you know she is a witch?
> VILLAGER #2:
> She looks like one.
> CROWD:
> Right! Yeah! Yeah!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra>
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra> Bring
her
> forward.
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra>
WITCH:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra> I'm
not a
> witch. I'm not a witch.
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra> Uh,
but
> you are dressed as one.
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra>
WITCH:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra> They
> dressed me up like this.
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra>
CROWD:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra> Augh,
we
> didn't! We didn't...
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra>
WITCH:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra> And
this
> isn't my nose. It's a false one.
> BEDEVERE:
> Well?
> VILLAGER #1:
> Well, we did do the nose.
> <javascript:picture('05-bedevere-crowd')> [PICTURE]
> BEDEVERE:
> The nose?
> VILLAGER #1:
> And the hat, but she is a witch!
> VILLAGER #2:
> Yeah!
> CROWD:
> We burn her! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah!
> BEDEVERE:
> Did you dress her up like this?
> VILLAGER #1:
> No!
> VILLAGER #2 and 3:
> No. No.
> VILLAGER #2:
> No.
> VILLAGER #1:
> No.
> VILLAGERS #2 and #3:
> No.
> VILLAGER #1:
> Yes.
> VILLAGER #2:
> Yes.
> VILLAGER #1:
> Yes. Yeah, a bit.
> VILLAGER #3:
> A bit.
> VILLAGERS #1 and #2:
> A bit.
> VILLAGER #3:
> A bit.
> VILLAGER #1:
> She has got a wart.
> RANDOM:
> [cough] <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-
04.ra>
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-04.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-04.ra> What
makes
> you think she is a witch?
> <javascript:picture('05-witch')> [PICTURE]
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-04.ra>
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-04.ra>
VILLAGER
> #3:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-04.ra> Well,
she
> turned me into a newt.
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-04.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-04.ra> A
newt?
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-04.ra>
VILLAGER
> #3:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-04.ra> I got
> better.
> VILLAGER #2:
> Burn her anyway!
> VILLAGER #1:
> Burn!
> CROWD:
> Burn her! Burn! Burn her!...
> BEDEVERE:
> Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she
is a
> witch.
> VILLAGER #1:
> Are there?
> <javascript:picture('05-villagers')> [PICTURE]
> VILLAGER #2:
> Ah?
> VILLAGER #1:
> What are they?
> CROWD:
> Tell us! Tell us!...
> VILLAGER #2:
> Do they hurt?
> BEDEVERE:
> Tell me. What do you
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra> do with
> witches?
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra>
VILLAGER
> #2:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra> Burn!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra>
VILLAGER
> #1:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra> Burn!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra>
CROWD:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra> Burn!
Burn
> them up! Burn!...
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra> And
what
> do you burn apart from witches?
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra>
VILLAGER
> #1:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra> More
> witches!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra>
VILLAGER
> #3:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra> Shh!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra>
VILLAGER
> #2:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra> Wood!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra> So,
why do
> witches burn?
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra>
[pause]
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra>
VILLAGER
> #3:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra> B--...
> 'cause they're made of... wood?
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-05.ra> Good!
Heh
> heh.
> CROWD:
> Oh, yeah. Oh.
> BEDEVERE:
> So, how do we
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-06.ra> tell
> whether she is made of wood?
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-06.ra>
VILLAGER
> #1:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-06.ra> Build
a
> bridge out of her.
> BEDEVERE:
> Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
> VILLAGER #1:
> Oh, yeah.
> RANDOM:
> Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...
> BEDEVERE:
> Does wood sink in water?
> VILLAGER #1:
> No. No.
> VILLAGER #2:
> No, it floats! It floats!
> VILLAGER #1:
> Throw her into the pond!
> CROWD:
> The pond! Throw her into the pond!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> What
also
> floats in water?
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
VILLAGER
> #1:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
Bread!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
VILLAGER
> #2:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
Apples!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
VILLAGER
> #3:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> Uh,
very
> small rocks!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
VILLAGER
> #1:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
Cider!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
VILLAGER
> #2:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> Uh,
gra--
> gravy!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
VILLAGER
> #1:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
Cherries!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
VILLAGER
> #2:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> Mud!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
VILLAGER
> #3:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> Uh,
> churches! Churches!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
VILLAGER
> #2:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> Lead!
> Lead!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
ARTHUR:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> A
duck!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
CROWD:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> Oooh.
> <javascript:picture('05-exactly')> [PICTURE]
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
Exactly.
> So, logically...
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
VILLAGER
> #1:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> If...
> she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> And
> therefore?
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
VILLAGER
> #2:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> A
witch!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
VILLAGER
> #1:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> A
witch!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra>
CROWD:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-07.ra> A
witch! A
> witch!...
> VILLAGER #4:
> Here is a duck. Use this duck.
> [quack quack quack]
> BEDEVERE:
> Very good. We shall use my largest scales.
> CROWD:
> Ohh! Ohh! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn
her!
> Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Ahh! Ahh...
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra>
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra> Right.
> Remove the supports!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra>
[whop]
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra>
[clunk]
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra>
[creak]
> <javascript:picture('05-scale')> [PICTURE]
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra>
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra>
CROWD:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra> A
witch! A
> witch! A witch!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra>
WITCH:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra> It's a
> fair cop.
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra>
VILLAGER
> #3:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra> Burn
her!
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra>
CROWD:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-08.ra> Burn
her!
> Burn her! Burn her! Burn! Burn!...
> BEDEVERE:
> Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?
> ARTHUR:
> I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
> BEDEVERE:
> My liege! <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-
09.ra>
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-09.ra>
ARTHUR:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-09.ra> Good
Sir
> Knight, will you come with me to Camelot and join us at the Round
Table?
>
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-09.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-09.ra> My
liege!
> I would be honored.
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-09.ra>
ARTHUR:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-09.ra> What
is
> your name?
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-09.ra>
BEDEVERE:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-09.ra>
> 'Bedevere', my liege.
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-09.ra>
ARTHUR:
> <http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-09.ra> Then
I dub
> you 'Sir Bedemere, Knight of the Round Table'.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: enb4w [mailto:enb4w@e...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:10 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
> Let me throw a wrench into everyone's thinking. That is the area
with
> the minor. Is it not possible that he did the blasting because he
didn't
> want people coming through his mine area? Before somebody goes off
> blaming the BLM that should be looked at and figured out...
>
> That's my two cents...
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@t...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
> Don't know couldn't tell you. I don't know the trails at FJ to
have any
> clue. If I new my way around and had lockers I would go check it
out
> tomorrow.
>
> Clint
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:43 PM
> To: Clint Ramsey; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
>
> Clint, all...........
> Jack just plotted Gary's coordinances and his plot shows the top of
Bad
> Medicine.................... That's all I know. S.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@t...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:42 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage
> This is what I got when I entered the coordinates at topozone
> Here's a USGS topographic map from the TopoZone!
> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=12
> <http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=12&n=3671430&e=482958&s=25>
> &n=3671430&e=482958&s=25
>
> Clint Ramsey
>
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75484 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:04am
Subject: Exhaust manifold question


When replacing an exhaust manifold, is it ok to reuse the bolts
that attach it to the head or should you install new bolts?

-Roger


75485 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:18am
Subject: Re: Need ideas for power distribution panel


Mike,
I purchased two "sealed" boxes from Radio Shack. I forget the exact name of th boxes, but they come in different sizes. They also sell connectors so that you can create as many "hot" lines as you need. I mounted them on the firewall in the engine compartment. Drilled small holes for the wire (s) and one comes from the keyed side of the ignition and one from the accessory side. Fuses are after the boxes.
As you can tell, I am no expert in auto electronics (or any other type of electronics for that matter), but this has worked for a couple of years for me with no problems and it keeps me from having to crawl under the dash as much.

HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8

Mike wrote:

Need some tips/advice/ideas/comments from anyone that has added a separate power panel distribution for easy access to direct power from the battery. I am looking at installing a panel in my 2000 TJ that will be live (a direct feed from the battery) and I can make all my aftermarket connections to, i.e. rock lights/driving lights/arb compressor. I was wondering if anyone has done this and has any leads on where to get the parts. Also, any tips/pics etc... would be appreciated I have checked the obvious auto parts stores and all they have is some lower quality components that are not what I am looking for. TIA, -Mike

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75486 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:57am
Subject: VIRUS!!!


I have been receiving messages about the w32 klez. along with those emails i have been receiving executable files attached to the email. in the body of the email it states that i need to run this exe and ignore all anti virus alerts. this MUST be a virus.

professional note to everyone:

NEVER TRUST AN EMAIL LIKE THIS!!! even if you know the person. if you think you have a virus and your antiviral software did not catch it then run a full virus scan and if you have contracted a virus go to www.norton.com and get information on how to remove the virus and fix the problems that it creates!

if you do not have any antiviral software please get some! you can even download norton's AV software for a trial version. it is not too expensive and it save alot of people alot of work.

thank you!!!


Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)





75487 From: Danny <dannpegg@c...> <dannpegg@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 7:14am
Subject: Torx bits...


Anyone know where to get a GOOD set of Torx bits? I keep making the
mistake of buying the ones from Autozone and they just twist in the
heads of the bolts...Pieces of...Well, you know. I also need to find
the kind with the dowel hole in the middle. My TJ has a loose upper
crossbar in the stock rollbar and the Torx head bolt has a nipple in
the middle of it.

Thanks,

AZ_Treadhead
LHC, AZ


75488 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 7:22am
Subject: Fwd: [Landuse] wolves out of control in yellowstone


Please read the below with these points in mind:

A wolf from Yellowstone was recently trapped in northern Utah
prompting calls to re-locate a wolf population in the southern part
of the state.

The Wildlands Project seeks to re-introduce large carnivores into the
North American eco-system. Large carnivores are grizzly bear, wolf,
and mountain lion.

Wolf re-introduction projects are underway in New Mexico. More are
being planned for other areas.

Grizzly bear re-introductions are being discussed for the Pacific
Northwest as well as California and Colorado.

Mountain lions are protected in California (three lives lost along
with numerous encounters) and re-introductions are being considered
in the southeast (under the name of Florida Black Panther).

Numerous other projects are underway to re-introduce smaller
carnivore (Lynx, bobcat, wolverine, and coyotes) to their historic
ranges.

After reading these columns, ask yourself' "What is the impact on my
recreation area?"

BTW, the suburbs and rural areas of the country are the "historic
ranges" for these carnivores, large and small.


Yellowstone Wolf Experiment Out of Control ©
By Jim Slinsky
http://www.outdoortalknetwork.com

It is with great sadness that I write this column. You didn't have to
be a wildlife biologist to foresee the outcome when you mix Canadian
timber wolves with the wildlife of Yellowstone National Park.
Yellowstone's wildlife populations have plummeted. Wolves are brutal,
vicious predators and have a tremendous impact on all wildlife in any
ecosystem.

I am not exaggerating. I radio interviewed a rancher, Mr. Robert T.
Fanning Jr. and a big game outfitter, Mr. William Hoppe, both of whom
live within sight of Yellowstone National Park. It is a whole "New
World" out there since Canadian timber wolves were introduced. Mr.
Fanning is the founder of "Friends of the Northern Yellowstone Elk
Herd". and Mr. Hoppe is the President. From investing hours on the
phone with these gentlemen I believe the American people and the
American sportsmen are not hearing the straight story on this
experiment that's flat out of control. Montana wildlife needs some
relief and so do it's private landowners, big game outfitters and
ranchers.

The original plan was for 78-100 wolves to be introduced into
Yellowstone. Of course, you realize hunting is not permitted in
Yellowstone or any other National Park. US Fish and Wildlife
personnel were concerned wildlife populations were too high and
impacting flora and fauna. (Sound familiar?) The environmentalists
were screaming their theme of returning to the "Natural Order" of
life in the wilds. The project went forward. The elk herd in
Yellowstone was estimated at 20,000 animals at the time of the
introduction of the wolves. Historic documents reveal that
Yellowstone's elk, the largest migratory elk herd in the US, was
about 30,000 at the turn of the 20th century.

In less than 10 years the effect wolves have had on Yellowstone's
wildlife has been nothing less than devastating. Elk populations hang
around 10,000; the moose and deer are almost completely gone.
Antelope went from 600 to 200 specimens. Sheep populations have
fallen from 300 to 40, possibly an inadequate amount to repopulate
the Park. Wolves are attacking horses, mules, livestock and stalking
children. The economic health of the region has collapsed and so has
the outfitting business north of Yellowstone. The wolves are
multiplying at the rate of 34% a year. There are now 370 wolves in
Yellowstone and 770 in the tri-state area of Montana, Wyoming and
Idaho. Wildlife in that region is getting hammered.

Forget what you heard about wolves killing only the weak and sick.
Wolves are canines and like dogs, they kill by instinct and for fun.
Aerial photographs document dead, red wildlife carcasses over the
landscape. Wolves practice "surplus killing" whether they are hungry
or not. The wildlife of the region can not rest and they live in
constant fear. Like coyotes following a deer herd, a wolf pack
pursuit is relentless. One wolf will kill 23-25 mature elk a year,
not counting calves. Now multiply that by 770 wolves. The recruitment
of newborn game animals into their populations has been the hardest
hit. Elk calf survival is averaging 14 out of every 100. In
high-density wolf areas, only 4 out of every 100 calves survive the
wolf packs. Keep in mind, these wolves are not native to the region.
The Rocky Mountain wolf at 80 pounds, which hunts in pairs, has been
displaced by this Canadian gray wolf, which hunts in packs. This
predatory machine has no predator.

The Montana Department of Game, Fish and Parks has applied to the US
Fish and Wildlife Service for de-listing of the wolf from
"threatened" to "game" animal status. A decision will be made in
December. Environmental groups have vowed to sue and tie this up in
court for years. The environmentalists will stab the US F & W Service
in the back in the process. They both worked together to introduce
the wolves. The residents of that region desperately need relief and
start the process of controlling this insidious predator. Wolf
introduction is earmarked for all of our western states. We now know
what this predator can do to our wildlife, sport hunting and the
economies of these states. We also know they are being used as a
divisive tool against the private property owning Americans living in
that region.

We simply must say "no" to wolf reintroduction. Sportsmen, private
landowners and all Americans need to recognize this program as
eco-terrorism on our wildlife. It is an obvious attempt to end sport
hunting. Bill Hoppe suggests if Easterners have any doubt about the
brutality and devastation of wolves, they only need come to
Yellowstone and witness the carnage. We only need watch the ground
turn red from the blood of our valued wildlife. We only need listen
to the crying of an animal being consumed alive. We only need listen
to their screams of agony.

***READ MORE***

Yellowstone Wolf Debate Rages On ©
By Jim Slinsky
http://www.outdoortalknetwork.com

It was not possible to completely inform you of all the intricacies
in the wolf debate in one, single 800-word column. I can not think of
an issue, statewide or nationwide, as critical to the future of
hunting, big game outfitting, ranching or the rights of private
landowners as the introduction of Canadian timber wolves into the US.
In other words, I don’t feel completely vented from last week's
column. Rarely, has an issue touched me as deeply. Canadian timber
wolves are 150-160 pound critters that hunt in packs.

Never in the last 200 years have we had such effective and relentless
predators living amongst us. Even some scientists within the wolf
recovery program readily admit that they had no idea in 1995 how
quickly these animals would multiply and how effective they would be
at killing game. The wolf's reintroduction has surpassed almost
everyone's expectations at reducing game animals within Yellowstone
and the surrounding territory.

The concern on the minds of many is when will it stop. Will the US
Fish and Wildlife Service allow wolves to reduce the Yellowstone elk
herd to a few thousand animals? Will the USFWS allow de-listing of
the wolf and permit them to be hunted as a game animal? When the elk
are gone will it be horses, cattle and sheep, next? Domestic
livestock have already fallen prey to the Canadian timber wolves of
Montana, Wyoming and Idaho. However, let's take it from the top and
look at this objectively. Here's the story line. National park
personnel complain to the USFWS that our national parks are carrying
too many animals over the winter. Damage is being done to the flora
and fauna. Without regulated hunting the options are few.

Environmentalists push hard at every political level to return to the
"Natural Order" of nature's grand plan. Environmentalists argue that
the only logical option is to bring in predators such as mountain
lions, grizzlies and timber wolves to control the wildlife
populations within the park. Within a few short years, elk and deer
grazing on grasses is no longer the problem. The new problem is
mountain lions, grizzlies and wolves have expanded their territory
and are now munching on cattle, sheep, dogs and cats. Humans become
very nervous when these deadly predators are staring them down on
their leisurely stroll to their rural mailbox.

Debating to take a gun with you every time you step outside is not a
fun way to live. Worrying about how many cattle or sheep you will
lose tonight can infuriate even a happy-go-lucky rancher. Frankly,
the entire debate to reintroduce large predators across the US to
pre-colonial prominence is intellectually bankrupt. It is without
question the most ludicrous discussion in the entire wildlife
management arena. America has changed forever and will never return
to pre-colonial ecosystems.

America is now the land of the free and home of the brave, all 300
million of us. Failure to recognize this fact is the equivalent of
failing to accept the world is filled with dangerous people who would
like to kill Americans. The truth is as the most intelligent life
form on this planet we have an obligation to aspire to maintain our
wild ecosystems as complete as possible. Large predators have a place
in very limited quantities in our most remote areas. They should be
hunted hard and fair game as they expand into areas inhabited by
humans. We must teach them to run at the sight of a human, not crouch
in the posture of attack.

The USFWS seems determined to become involved in the management of
wildlife. I don't see the problem. They should establish maximum
populations for every game animal living in every national park. They
should work closely with the appropriate states and sanction special
permit hunts to cull excessive animals. Let the American hunter, a
human being take advantage of this valuable resource. The wildlife of
America belongs to our people, not predators, to use wisely and
responsibly.

Let the debacle of the Yellowstone experiment teach us a lesson. The
environmental extremists’ "grand plan" of returning to the "Natural
Order" by reintroducing large predators across America is a pipe
dream. These deadly animals will always conflict with man with
escalating frequency. They are a threat to private property rights,
the future of sport hunting and the rural people and economies across
this nation.

Assistant Secretary Craig Manson of the US Dept. of Interior, 1849 C
Street NW, Room 3156, Washington DC, 24240 wants to hear from you. As
usual your input in these debates will determine our future. Banning
hunting as a wildlife management tool on national parklands is
outdated. It is the only sensible, intelligent approach to deal with
ever-increasing wildlife in a nation with ever-decreasing habitat.

This Weeks Radio Show Guest... 01/17,18/03
Troy Mader of Abundant Wildlife, on Wolf Introduction across the U.S.A.
Listen Online @ http://www.outdoortalknetwork.com

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75490 From: ENB4W <enb4w@e...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 7:31am
Subject: RE: re. intentional trail blockage


Joe,

That's my favorite movie!
---- Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:45 PM
To: arizonajeep@cox.net; 'enb4w'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage


Good point. We need an objective investigation.

Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:31 PM
To: 'enb4w'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage


John,



Ever see the Monte Python movie Search for the Holy Grail?

For your reading pleasure& for some reason; this feels like an appropriate time for it&




A small excerpt from a scene early in the movie&



Joe West







CROWD:

A witch! A witch!

[bonk]

A witch! A witch!

MONKS: [chanting]

Pie Iesu domine...

CROWD:

A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch! A witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! We've found a witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch!

VILLAGER #1:

We have found a witch. May we burn her?

CROWD:

Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!

BEDEVERE:

How do you know she is a witch?

VILLAGER #2:

She looks like one.

CROWD:

Right! Yeah! Yeah!

BEDEVERE:

Bring her forward.

WITCH:

I'm not a witch. I'm not a witch.

BEDEVERE:

Uh, but you are dressed as one.

WITCH:

They dressed me up like this.

CROWD:

Augh, we didn't! We didn't...

WITCH:

And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.

BEDEVERE:

Well?

VILLAGER #1:

Well, we did do the nose.



BEDEVERE:

The nose?

VILLAGER #1:

And the hat, but she is a witch!

VILLAGER #2:

Yeah!

CROWD:

We burn her! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah!

BEDEVERE:

Did you dress her up like this?

VILLAGER #1:

No!

VILLAGER #2 and 3:

No. No.

VILLAGER #2:

No.

VILLAGER #1:

No.

VILLAGERS #2 and #3:

No.

VILLAGER #1:

Yes.

VILLAGER #2:

Yes.

VILLAGER #1:

Yes. Yeah, a bit.

VILLAGER #3:

A bit.

VILLAGERS #1 and #2:

A bit.

VILLAGER #3:

A bit.

VILLAGER #1:

She has got a wart.

RANDOM:

[cough]

BEDEVERE:

What makes you think she is a witch?



VILLAGER #3:

Well, she turned me into a newt.

BEDEVERE:

A newt?

VILLAGER #3:

I got better.

VILLAGER #2:

Burn her anyway!

VILLAGER #1:

Burn!

CROWD:

Burn her! Burn! Burn her!...

BEDEVERE:

Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.

VILLAGER #1:

Are there?



VILLAGER #2:

Ah?

VILLAGER #1:

What are they?

CROWD:

Tell us! Tell us!...

VILLAGER #2:

Do they hurt?

BEDEVERE:

Tell me. What do you do with witches?

VILLAGER #2:

Burn!

VILLAGER #1:

Burn!

CROWD:

Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...

BEDEVERE:

And what do you burn apart from witches?

VILLAGER #1:

More witches!

VILLAGER #3:

Shh!

VILLAGER #2:

Wood!

BEDEVERE:

So, why do witches burn?

[pause]

VILLAGER #3:

B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?

BEDEVERE:

Good! Heh heh.

CROWD:

Oh, yeah. Oh.

BEDEVERE:

So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?

VILLAGER #1:

Build a bridge out of her.

BEDEVERE:

Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?

VILLAGER #1:

Oh, yeah.

RANDOM:

Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...

BEDEVERE:

Does wood sink in water?

VILLAGER #1:

No. No.

VILLAGER #2:

No, it floats! It floats!

VILLAGER #1:

Throw her into the pond!

CROWD:

The pond! Throw her into the pond!

BEDEVERE:

What also floats in water?

VILLAGER #1:

Bread!

VILLAGER #2:

Apples!

VILLAGER #3:

Uh, very small rocks!

VILLAGER #1:

Cider!

VILLAGER #2:

Uh, gra-- gravy!

VILLAGER #1:

Cherries!

VILLAGER #2:

Mud!

VILLAGER #3:

Uh, churches! Churches!

VILLAGER #2:

Lead! Lead!

ARTHUR:

A duck!

CROWD:

Oooh.



BEDEVERE:

Exactly. So, logically...

VILLAGER #1:

If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.

BEDEVERE:

And therefore?

VILLAGER #2:

A witch!

VILLAGER #1:

A witch!

CROWD:

A witch! A witch!...

VILLAGER #4:

Here is a duck. Use this duck.

[quack quack quack]

BEDEVERE:

Very good. We shall use my largest scales.

CROWD:

Ohh! Ohh! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Ahh! Ahh...

BEDEVERE:

Right. Remove the supports!

[whop]

[clunk]

[creak]



CROWD:

A witch! A witch! A witch!

WITCH:

It's a fair cop.

VILLAGER #3:

Burn her!

CROWD:

Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn! Burn!...

BEDEVERE:

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

ARTHUR:

I am Arthur, King of the Britons.

BEDEVERE:

My liege!

ARTHUR:

Good Sir Knight, will you come with me to Camelot and join us at the Round Table?

BEDEVERE:

My liege! I would be honored.

ARTHUR:

What is your name?

BEDEVERE:

'Bedevere', my liege.

ARTHUR:

Then I dub you 'Sir Bedemere, Knight of the Round Table'.





-----Original Message-----
From: enb4w [mailto:enb4w@earnhardt.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:10 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage



Let me throw a wrench into everyones thinking. That is the area with the minor. Is it not possible that he did the blasting because he didnt want people coming through his mine area? Before somebody goes off blaming the BLM that should be looked at and figured out&..



Thats my two cents&..



John



-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@theriver.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage



Dont know couldnt tell you. I dont know the trails at FJ to have any clue. If I new my way around and had lockers I would go check it out tomorrow.



Clint



-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@cableaz.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:43 PM
To: Clint Ramsey; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage



Clint, all...........

Jack just plotted Gary's coordinances and his plot shows the top of Bad Medicine.................... That's all I know. S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@theriver.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:42 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] re. intentional trail blockage

This is what I got when I entered the coordinates at topozone

Here's a USGS topographic map from the TopoZone!

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=12&n=3671430&e=482958&s=25



Clint Ramsey


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75491 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:16am
Subject: [FS] Stock TJ Front(new) & Rear(used) bumpers


Price: $ 75 front &; 50 back...OBO

Contact: coxy8@yahoo.com

The front is BRAND new...just replaced on 1-13-03.
The back has been on for a bit...in good shape.
make me an offer.

Jeff Cox


Jeff Cox


75492 From: Tom Jacobson <tjacobson@t...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:37am
Subject: RE: re. intentional trail blockage


So, logically, if there are wooden ducks on the trail...it must be closed. LOL, Joe!

Tom

Message: 16
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:30:33 -0700
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
Subject: RE: re. intentional trail blockage

John,

Ever see the Monte Python movie "Search for the Holy Grail"?
For your reading pleasure. for some reason; this feels like an appropriate
time for it.
<grin>

A small excerpt from a scene early in the movie.

Joe West


75493 From: Bill - Jeeps Only <bill@j...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:12am
Subject: Re: Need ideas for power distribution panel


Mike,

I spent some time building a setup that includes a fuse block in one of those Radio Shack project boxes to keep most of the water out. I'm no electrical expert but this has worked for me just fine for a year now. Remember when wiring from the block to a device to use a gauge that matches the current draw. I used trailer wire with the connector attached so I could quick-disconnect something but the amps were low.

http://www.jeepsonly.com/project1/fusebox.html

---------------
Bill Hooven
Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
---------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:34 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Need ideas for power distribution panel


Need some tips/advice/ideas/comments from anyone that has added a separate power panel distribution for easy access to direct power from the battery.

I am looking at installing a panel in my 2000 TJ that will be live (a direct feed from the battery) and I can make all my aftermarket connections to, i.e. rock lights/driving lights/arb compressor. I was wondering if anyone has done this and has any leads on where to get the parts. Also, any tips/pics etc... would be appreciated

I have checked the obvious auto parts stores and all they have is some lower quality components that are not what I am looking for.

TIA,

-Mike

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75494 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:09am
Subject: RE: Torx bits...


Craftsman.



-----Original Message-----
From: Danny <dannpegg@c...> [mailto:dannpegg@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:14 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Torx bits...


Anyone know where to get a GOOD set of Torx bits? I keep making the
mistake of buying the ones from Autozone and they just twist in the
heads of the bolts...Pieces of...Well, you know. I also need to find
the kind with the dowel hole in the middle. My TJ has a loose upper
crossbar in the stock rollbar and the Torx head bolt has a nipple in
the middle of it.

Thanks,

AZ_Treadhead
LHC, AZ




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75495 From: daveqman2000 <david@q...> <david@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:10am
Subject: Clear bra on new paint?


I am looking for information on clear bras made out of 3M Scotchcal
material.

I have been looking into the products offered by a company called Car
Axent.

http://www.caraxent.com

Does anyone know if this product harms paint and if it's
actually "invisible" from a few feet away. I want to install it on
my new car to protect the new paint and also on the headlamps which I
understand can be expensive to replace.

Thanks in advance.


75496 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...> <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:16am
Subject: Re: Torx bits...


Snap-on or Mac make some good ones. If you are in the east valley
(I'm in Gilbert) you can use mine to tighten up that bar. -Rob


--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Danny <dannpegg@c...>"
<dannpegg@c...> wrote:
> Anyone know where to get a GOOD set of Torx bits? I keep making
the
> mistake of buying the ones from Autozone and they just twist in
the
> heads of the bolts...Pieces of...Well, you know. I also need to
find
> the kind with the dowel hole in the middle. My TJ has a loose
upper
> crossbar in the stock rollbar and the Torx head bolt has a nipple
in
> the middle of it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> AZ_Treadhead
> LHC, AZ


75497 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:23am
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Landuse] wolves out of control in yellowstone


After reading this and re-reading this I cannot help but wonder how
much of this is/was created by the local ranchers. The ranchers
complained years ago when the herds of elk were getting so big that
they were, in their words, "leaving nothing on the ground for cattle
to graze on". The local people decided to go out and feed the elk to
lessen the impact to the ranchers along with lessen the natural cycle
of killing, due to starvation.
Now the introduction of the wolf. Another incroachment of greenies
and the government or an attempt to put the natural cycle back on
path? Since, as the article states, there is no hunting on this land
and the elk heard was so great, wouldn't it make sense to thin this
herd due to the lack of hunting? If nothing else the thinning of elks
would be good due to the lack of food to sustain the great population
of these animals? These articles go further to warn against the next
re-introductions of "Lynx, bobcat, wolverine, and coyotes" and the
wolf into New Mexico (which, by the way, it has been documented,
ranchers have been killing these animals too). Is this a warning or a
scare tactic?
I find it hard to believe that even if the wolves kill for
fun/bordum, as these articles proclaim, that the meat/carcassas go to
waste. If nothing else the carnivorous birds, such as ravens and
buzzards, will eat the eat left laying on the ground.

So I guess the general questions here are, who is the killers? The
wolves? the ranchers? the greenies? the feds? or all the above? and
where does the killing stop? or does it need to?

Personally, I feel the introduction of the wolf and other carnivores
in to the national parks amounts to nothing more than "prescribed
burns" in the national forests.

$.02

--James

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, John Stewart <landuse@u...> wrote:
> Please read the below with these points in mind:
>
> A wolf from Yellowstone was recently trapped in northern Utah
> prompting calls to re-locate a wolf population in the southern part
> of the state.
>
> The Wildlands Project seeks to re-introduce large carnivores into
the
> North American eco-system. Large carnivores are grizzly bear,
wolf,
> and mountain lion.
>
> Wolf re-introduction projects are underway in New Mexico. More are
> being planned for other areas.
>
> Grizzly bear re-introductions are being discussed for the Pacific
> Northwest as well as California and Colorado.
>
> Mountain lions are protected in California (three lives lost along
> with numerous encounters) and re-introductions are being considered
> in the southeast (under the name of Florida Black Panther).
>
> Numerous other projects are underway to re-introduce smaller
> carnivore (Lynx, bobcat, wolverine, and coyotes) to their historic
> ranges.
>
> After reading these columns, ask yourself' "What is the impact on
my
> recreation area?"
>
> BTW, the suburbs and rural areas of the country are the "historic
> ranges" for these carnivores, large and small.
>
>
> Yellowstone Wolf Experiment Out of Control ©
> By Jim Slinsky
> http://www.outdoortalknetwork.com
>
> It is with great sadness that I write this column. You didn't have
to
> be a wildlife biologist to foresee the outcome when you mix
Canadian
> timber wolves with the wildlife of Yellowstone National Park.
> Yellowstone's wildlife populations have plummeted. Wolves are
brutal,
> vicious predators and have a tremendous impact on all wildlife in
any
> ecosystem.
>
> I am not exaggerating. I radio interviewed a rancher, Mr. Robert T.
> Fanning Jr. and a big game outfitter, Mr. William Hoppe, both of
whom
> live within sight of Yellowstone National Park. It is a whole "New
> World" out there since Canadian timber wolves were introduced. Mr.
> Fanning is the founder of "Friends of the Northern Yellowstone Elk
> Herd". and Mr. Hoppe is the President. From investing hours on the
> phone with these gentlemen I believe the American people and the
> American sportsmen are not hearing the straight story on this
> experiment that's flat out of control. Montana wildlife needs some
> relief and so do it's private landowners, big game outfitters and
> ranchers.
>
> The original plan was for 78-100 wolves to be introduced into
> Yellowstone. Of course, you realize hunting is not permitted in
> Yellowstone or any other National Park. US Fish and Wildlife
> personnel were concerned wildlife populations were too high and
> impacting flora and fauna. (Sound familiar?) The environmentalists
> were screaming their theme of returning to the "Natural Order" of
> life in the wilds. The project went forward. The elk herd in
> Yellowstone was estimated at 20,000 animals at the time of the
> introduction of the wolves. Historic documents reveal that
> Yellowstone's elk, the largest migratory elk herd in the US, was
> about 30,000 at the turn of the 20th century.
>
> In less than 10 years the effect wolves have had on Yellowstone's
> wildlife has been nothing less than devastating. Elk populations
hang
> around 10,000; the moose and deer are almost completely gone.
> Antelope went from 600 to 200 specimens. Sheep populations have
> fallen from 300 to 40, possibly an inadequate amount to repopulate
> the Park. Wolves are attacking horses, mules, livestock and
stalking
> children. The economic health of the region has collapsed and so
has
> the outfitting business north of Yellowstone. The wolves are
> multiplying at the rate of 34% a year. There are now 370 wolves in
> Yellowstone and 770 in the tri-state area of Montana, Wyoming and
> Idaho. Wildlife in that region is getting hammered.
>
> Forget what you heard about wolves killing only the weak and sick.
> Wolves are canines and like dogs, they kill by instinct and for
fun.
> Aerial photographs document dead, red wildlife carcasses over the
> landscape. Wolves practice "surplus killing" whether they are
hungry
> or not. The wildlife of the region can not rest and they live in
> constant fear. Like coyotes following a deer herd, a wolf pack
> pursuit is relentless. One wolf will kill 23-25 mature elk a year,
> not counting calves. Now multiply that by 770 wolves. The
recruitment
> of newborn game animals into their populations has been the hardest
> hit. Elk calf survival is averaging 14 out of every 100. In
> high-density wolf areas, only 4 out of every 100 calves survive the
> wolf packs. Keep in mind, these wolves are not native to the
region.
> The Rocky Mountain wolf at 80 pounds, which hunts in pairs, has
been
> displaced by this Canadian gray wolf, which hunts in packs. This
> predatory machine has no predator.
>
> The Montana Department of Game, Fish and Parks has applied to the
US
> Fish and Wildlife Service for de-listing of the wolf from
> "threatened" to "game" animal status. A decision will be made in
> December. Environmental groups have vowed to sue and tie this up in
> court for years. The environmentalists will stab the US F & W
Service
> in the back in the process. They both worked together to introduce
> the wolves. The residents of that region desperately need relief
and
> start the process of controlling this insidious predator. Wolf
> introduction is earmarked for all of our western states. We now
know
> what this predator can do to our wildlife, sport hunting and the
> economies of these states. We also know they are being used as a
> divisive tool against the private property owning Americans living
in
> that region.
>
> We simply must say "no" to wolf reintroduction. Sportsmen, private
> landowners and all Americans need to recognize this program as
> eco-terrorism on our wildlife. It is an obvious attempt to end
sport
> hunting. Bill Hoppe suggests if Easterners have any doubt about the
> brutality and devastation of wolves, they only need come to
> Yellowstone and witness the carnage. We only need watch the ground
> turn red from the blood of our valued wildlife. We only need listen
> to the crying of an animal being consumed alive. We only need
listen
> to their screams of agony.
>
> ***READ MORE***
>
> Yellowstone Wolf Debate Rages On ©
> By Jim Slinsky
> http://www.outdoortalknetwork.com
>
> It was not possible to completely inform you of all the intricacies
> in the wolf debate in one, single 800-word column. I can not think
of
> an issue, statewide or nationwide, as critical to the future of
> hunting, big game outfitting, ranching or the rights of private
> landowners as the introduction of Canadian timber wolves into the
US.
> In other words, I don't feel completely vented from last week's
> column. Rarely, has an issue touched me as deeply. Canadian timber
> wolves are 150-160 pound critters that hunt in packs.
>
> Never in the last 200 years have we had such effective and
relentless
> predators living amongst us. Even some scientists within the wolf
> recovery program readily admit that they had no idea in 1995 how
> quickly these animals would multiply and how effective they would
be
> at killing game. The wolf's reintroduction has surpassed almost
> everyone's expectations at reducing game animals within Yellowstone
> and the surrounding territory.
>
> The concern on the minds of many is when will it stop. Will the US
> Fish and Wildlife Service allow wolves to reduce the Yellowstone
elk
> herd to a few thousand animals? Will the USFWS allow de-listing of
> the wolf and permit them to be hunted as a game animal? When the
elk
> are gone will it be horses, cattle and sheep, next? Domestic
> livestock have already fallen prey to the Canadian timber wolves of
> Montana, Wyoming and Idaho. However, let's take it from the top and
> look at this objectively. Here's the story line. National park
> personnel complain to the USFWS that our national parks are
carrying
> too many animals over the winter. Damage is being done to the flora
> and fauna. Without regulated hunting the options are few.
>
> Environmentalists push hard at every political level to return to
the
> "Natural Order" of nature's grand plan. Environmentalists argue
that
> the only logical option is to bring in predators such as mountain
> lions, grizzlies and timber wolves to control the wildlife
> populations within the park. Within a few short years, elk and deer
> grazing on grasses is no longer the problem. The new problem is
> mountain lions, grizzlies and wolves have expanded their territory
> and are now munching on cattle, sheep, dogs and cats. Humans become
> very nervous when these deadly predators are staring them down on
> their leisurely stroll to their rural mailbox.
>
> Debating to take a gun with you every time you step outside is not
a
> fun way to live. Worrying about how many cattle or sheep you will
> lose tonight can infuriate even a happy-go-lucky rancher. Frankly,
> the entire debate to reintroduce large predators across the US to
> pre-colonial prominence is intellectually bankrupt. It is without
> question the most ludicrous discussion in the entire wildlife
> management arena. America has changed forever and will never return
> to pre-colonial ecosystems.
>
> America is now the land of the free and home of the brave, all 300
> million of us. Failure to recognize this fact is the equivalent of
> failing to accept the world is filled with dangerous people who
would
> like to kill Americans. The truth is as the most intelligent life
> form on this planet we have an obligation to aspire to maintain our
> wild ecosystems as complete as possible. Large predators have a
place
> in very limited quantities in our most remote areas. They should be
> hunted hard and fair game as they expand into areas inhabited by
> humans. We must teach them to run at the sight of a human, not
crouch
> in the posture of attack.
>
> The USFWS seems determined to become involved in the management of
> wildlife. I don't see the problem. They should establish maximum
> populations for every game animal living in every national park.
They
> should work closely with the appropriate states and sanction
special
> permit hunts to cull excessive animals. Let the American hunter, a
> human being take advantage of this valuable resource. The wildlife
of
> America belongs to our people, not predators, to use wisely and
> responsibly.
>
> Let the debacle of the Yellowstone experiment teach us a lesson.
The
> environmental extremists' "grand plan" of returning to the "Natural
> Order" by reintroducing large predators across America is a pipe
> dream. These deadly animals will always conflict with man with
> escalating frequency. They are a threat to private property rights,
> the future of sport hunting and the rural people and economies
across
> this nation.
>
> Assistant Secretary Craig Manson of the US Dept. of Interior, 1849
C
> Street NW, Room 3156, Washington DC, 24240 wants to hear from you.
As
> usual your input in these debates will determine our future.
Banning
> hunting as a wildlife management tool on national parklands is
> outdated. It is the only sensible, intelligent approach to deal
with
> ever-increasing wildlife in a nation with ever-decreasing habitat.
>
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75498 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:28am
Subject: Re: Clear bra on new paint?


Dave,

My sister has this on her new Honda CRV and you can't hardly tell it
is there. She lives in Denver and the crap that comes up from the
road is worse than Arizona.
This may also be a good product to coat painted fender flares with,
since they always seem to get nicked by rocks coming off the tires.

You might want to visit a Honda dealer to see if they have any
information on it.

--James

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "daveqman2000 <david@q...>"
<david@q...> wrote:
> I am looking for information on clear bras made out of 3M Scotchcal
> material.
>
> I have been looking into the products offered by a company called
Car
> Axent.
>
> http://www.caraxent.com
>
> Does anyone know if this product harms paint and if it's
> actually "invisible" from a few feet away. I want to install it on
> my new car to protect the new paint and also on the headlamps which
I
> understand can be expensive to replace.
>
> Thanks in advance.


75499 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:28am
Subject: [FS] Custom ('78 title) CJ7


Price: $7500

Contact: Steve Olney 602-482-2428

CJ7 built during last 5 years over $16k in receipts; Powerful 304 W/4bbl (about 30k mi),904 AT (less than 3k),300 Xfer (less than 3k), nearly new 33x12.5 BFG KO all terrains on 10" alum rims; custom Rancho lift w/shackle inversion &; skid plate ubolt, 3.73 remanufactured (all new compontnts) 30 front w/lock right, 44 rear lockright, custom cage w/integrated Beard ultra seats &; 4pt harness, late model hard top &; doors; lots of spare parts included or separate TOO MUCH TO LIST!!!!!! 5Yr old &; twins force sale (Building bigger Jeep: Commando)

Steve Olney


75500 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:34am
Subject: RE: Re: Torx bits...


And really really expensive ones. I ask the Snap on about the price and
he said $280 for the set. I have heard good ones can be gotten at Sears.

Joey K


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
[mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:16 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Torx bits...


Snap-on or Mac make some good ones. If you are in the east valley
(I'm in Gilbert) you can use mine to tighten up that bar. -Rob


--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Danny <dannpegg@c...>"
<dannpegg@c...> wrote:
> Anyone know where to get a GOOD set of Torx bits? I keep making
the
> mistake of buying the ones from Autozone and they just twist in
the
> heads of the bolts...Pieces of...Well, you know. I also need to
find
> the kind with the dowel hole in the middle. My TJ has a loose
upper
> crossbar in the stock rollbar and the Torx head bolt has a nipple
in
> the middle of it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> AZ_Treadhead
> LHC, AZ




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