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75400 From: Dan Coley <crawlintj@y...> <crawlintj@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:43pm
Subject: Member that is salesperson @ Darner?
At some point I thought I read there is a member that works @
Darner...if there is, shoot me an email, got some questions.
Dan
crawlintj@y...
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75401 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:50pm
Subject: GPS for FJ
Call for help.........
Tucson is trying to stick another one to us guys.......... again, they are
not "going with the flow" re the route inventory for this area. Like
Phoenix, the route inventory guys are out on the lands running "what they
see". They know there are many ROCK routes they don't see so needless to
say are not getting picked up until we identify them........
Now............ here's the problem. Tucson is taking the stand that when
the inventory is complete (by the end of the month) THESE are the only
routes. We need to get our GPS readings in BEFORE the inventory team is
pulled from the area.
Please send via email if possible............ if not I'll pick them up
anywhere!!!!
If you have them plotted on a map.......... all the better. I just need
whatever I can get NOW.
THANKS, Sandee
75402 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:30pm
Subject: RE: RE: Rock Crusher?
Experience.
The hood lock setup I purchased from them failed after a few months (at the
most) AND it actually started to RUST here in Arizona.
Anyone want it? I'll give it away for free.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepthingtj2000 <jeepthingtj2000@h...>
[mailto:jeepthingtj2000@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:28 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] RE: Rock Crusher?
Has anyone tested this or know this from experience or is it he
said she said????
Jeremy TJ 00'
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75403 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:32pm
Subject: RE: Member that is salesperson @ Darner?
Dan,
I think the service person that works closely with the club is named Julio
and is pronounced "jew-lee-oh" as opposed to "who-lee-oh"
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Coley <crawlintj@y...> [mailto:crawlintj@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:44 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Member that is salesperson @ Darner?
At some point I thought I read there is a member that works @
Darner...if there is, shoot me an email, got some questions.
Dan
crawlintj@y...
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75404 From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...> <gary_pugsley@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:34pm
Subject: Intentional Trail Blockage
Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let
it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the
boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he
was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed that
BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have
an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone
did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the boulders
fell from.
Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep
don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did
have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not
get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders
and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were above
the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
ground) just upstream from it.
Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and
ruin their day.
Gary
75405 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:57pm
Subject: RE: Intentional Trail Blockage
It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and North of
Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do not have a GPS
track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx"
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
[mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let
it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the
boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he
was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed that
BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have
an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone
did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the boulders
fell from.
Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep
don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did
have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not
get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders
and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were above
the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
ground) just upstream from it.
Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and
ruin their day.
Gary
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75406 From: <itsajeepthing28@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 0:56pm
Subject: test - DON'T READ
TEST TEST TEST
75407 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:57pm
Subject: [TR] Ajax (Upper) - Saturday, January 18, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
steve sample is leading an Ajax (Upper) trail run on Saturday, January 18, 2003.
When: 9:30 am sat
Where: cottonwood cyn entrance
Rating: 4.5
Length: all day
CB Channel: 4
just checking to see if anyone wants to run ajax. it's a short but tight trail with some challenges. locked F/R recommended. need plenty of lift and 33's minimum- prefer 35's. winch not mandatory. don't see why we can't do some of lower ajax on the way.
see ya
Upper Ajax is one waterfall after another. It gets very interesting when wet but it is always a challenge for the best built vehicle. It doesn't seem to feel the negative side of "rock stacking;" ramps keep showing up but the waterfalls don't seem to change. Most often you will have a spectator gallery from the main road up above the wash.
This is a fairly short trail in length but always seems to keep you busy most of the day. Body damage is a possibility. Don't forget your lunch, water, camera and spare parts.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75408 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:00pm
Subject: Re: test - DON'T READ
crap!!! i read it.. what did you set some kind of voodoo on this post???
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
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Subject: [az_vjc] test - DON'T READ
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75409 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:02pm
Subject: RE: Intentional Trail Blockage
We really need to get to the bottom of this. Who blasted this stuff? Did
they have a permit? Who authorized the blasting?
Once we knpw this we can find out if this was a criminal act. If so we
can work on finding the culprits.
If the Tucson BLM had anything to do with this we need to find out if
they did a proper environmental impact study before blasting and had the
appropriate authority to do so.
At this point its too early to say, but finding out the name of this
wash is a good starting point. Maybe Sandy will know something.
Get your letter pecking fingers ready people! We might need to send out
some more letters.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:57 PM
To: gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and
North of Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do not
have a GPS track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx" Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
[mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76 years
old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the Jeepers
to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let it be run
once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the boulders
above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he was out there
last week and it was not like that. He guessed that BLM had won, by
blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have an idea if they
even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone did, as there are tool
marks on the rocks above, where the boulders fell from.
Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it was
Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep don't do
waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did have my GPS.
The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not get any pics, but
it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders and a bunch of
smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it basically unpassable,
without moving those boulders. We were above the water fall, and there
was a windmill (with the vanes on the
ground) just upstream from it.
Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere has
the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want someone
to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and ruin their
day.
Gary
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75410 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:22pm
Subject: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Was it before the "Y" in the streams?
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>"
<gary_pugsley@h...> wrote:
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
> years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
> Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to
let
> it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail,
the
> boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he
> was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed that
> BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might
have
> an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone
> did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the boulders
> fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
> was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep
> don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did
> have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not
> get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter)
boulders
> and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
> basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were above
> the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
> has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't
want
> someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this
and
> ruin their day.
>
> Gary
75411 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:22pm
Subject: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Scott is right we need to get to bottom of this before they do it again to other trails. Gee what did more damage tire tracks on w/f or explosives to BLOW UP w/f !!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:01 PM
To: 'Hackle'; gary_pugsley@hotmail.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
We really need to get to the bottom of this. Who blasted this stuff? Did
they have a permit? Who authorized the blasting?
Once we knpw this we can find out if this was a criminal act. If so we
can work on finding the culprits.
If the Tucson BLM had anything to do with this we need to find out if
they did a proper environmental impact study before blasting and had the
appropriate authority to do so.
At this point its too early to say, but finding out the name of this
wash is a good starting point. Maybe Sandy will know something.
Get your letter pecking fingers ready people! We might need to send out
some more letters.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@qwest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:57 PM
To: gary_pugsley@hotmail.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and
North of Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do not
have a GPS track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx" Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary_Pugsley
[mailto:gary_pugsley@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76 years
old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the Jeepers
to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let it be run
once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the boulders
above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he was out there
last week and it was not like that. He guessed that BLM had won, by
blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have an idea if they
even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone did, as there are tool
marks on the rocks above, where the boulders fell from.
Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it was
Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep don't do
waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did have my GPS.
The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not get any pics, but
it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders and a bunch of
smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it basically unpassable,
without moving those boulders. We were above the water fall, and there
was a windmill (with the vanes on the
ground) just upstream from it.
Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere has
the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want someone
to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and ruin their
day.
Gary
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75412 From: Joe <flexyxj98@m...> <flexyxj98@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:36pm
Subject: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
So it made the trail more challenging....All of the trails have been
quite easier over the last 2 years....thats what we can do!!! Blast
the trails to make them harder, which we could tell the BLM we are
doing it to help keep traffic down....yeah...:) Just kidding
people....
FlexyXJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Timmsen" <ettrans@m...> wrote:
> Scott is right we need to get to bottom of this before they do it
again to other trails. Gee what did more damage tire tracks on w/f
or explosives to BLOW UP w/f !!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:01 PM
> To: 'Hackle'; gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
> We really need to get to the bottom of this. Who blasted this
stuff? Did
> they have a permit? Who authorized the blasting?
>
> Once we knpw this we can find out if this was a criminal act. If so
we
> can work on finding the culprits.
>
> If the Tucson BLM had anything to do with this we need to find out
if
> they did a proper environmental impact study before blasting and
had the
> appropriate authority to do so.
>
> At this point its too early to say, but finding out the name of this
> wash is a good starting point. Maybe Sandy will know something.
>
> Get your letter pecking fingers ready people! We might need to send
out
> some more letters.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:57 PM
> To: gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and
> North of Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do
not
> have a GPS track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a
member. "Groucho
> Marx" Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
> [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
years
> old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
Jeepers
> to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let it be
run
> once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the boulders
> above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he was out
there
> last week and it was not like that. He guessed that BLM had won, by
> blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have an idea if they
> even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone did, as there are
tool
> marks on the rocks above, where the boulders fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
was
> Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep don't
do
> waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did have my
GPS.
> The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not get any pics,
but
> it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders and a bunch of
> smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it basically
unpassable,
> without moving those boulders. We were above the water fall, and
there
> was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
has
> the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
someone
> to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and ruin
their
> day.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
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75413 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:37pm
Subject: [FS] Borg-warner T/C
Price: Cheap
Contact: ettrans@msn.com
I know this isn't jeep related, but it tows a jeep. Need a b/w 13-56 non electric t/c with slip yoke. I can make a bolt on yoke work if someone has one let me know
Ed Timmsen
75414 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:39pm
Subject: RE: Intentional Trail Blockage
Sounds like what happened to Predator last year.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
> [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
> years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
> Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let
> it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the
> boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he
> was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed that
> BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have
> an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone
> did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the boulders
> fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
> was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep
> don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did
> have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not
> get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders
> and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
> basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were above
> the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
> has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
> someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and
> ruin their day.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
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75415 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:36pm
Subject: Re: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Yeah that's the ticket, where can we get explosives. {haha}
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:33 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
So it made the trail more challenging....All of the trails have been
quite easier over the last 2 years....thats what we can do!!! Blast
the trails to make them harder, which we could tell the BLM we are
doing it to help keep traffic down....yeah...:) Just kidding
people....
FlexyXJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Timmsen" wrote:
> Scott is right we need to get to bottom of this before they do it
again to other trails. Gee what did more damage tire tracks on w/f
or explosives to BLOW UP w/f !!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:01 PM
> To: 'Hackle'; gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
> We really need to get to the bottom of this. Who blasted this
stuff? Did
> they have a permit? Who authorized the blasting?
>
> Once we knpw this we can find out if this was a criminal act. If so
we
> can work on finding the culprits.
>
> If the Tucson BLM had anything to do with this we need to find out
if
> they did a proper environmental impact study before blasting and
had the
> appropriate authority to do so.
>
> At this point its too early to say, but finding out the name of this
> wash is a good starting point. Maybe Sandy will know something.
>
> Get your letter pecking fingers ready people! We might need to send
out
> some more letters.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:57 PM
> To: gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and
> North of Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do
not
> have a GPS track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a
member. "Groucho
> Marx" Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary_Pugsley
> [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
years
> old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
Jeepers
> to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let it be
run
> once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the boulders
> above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he was out
there
> last week and it was not like that. He guessed that BLM had won, by
> blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have an idea if they
> even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone did, as there are
tool
> marks on the rocks above, where the boulders fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
was
> Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep don't
do
> waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did have my
GPS.
> The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not get any pics,
but
> it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders and a bunch of
> smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it basically
unpassable,
> without moving those boulders. We were above the water fall, and
there
> was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
has
> the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
someone
> to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and ruin
their
> day.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
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75416 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:45pm
Subject: [FS] 95' Jeep Wrangler
Price: $8,100
Contact: Brad Taylor
95' Jeep Wrangler "S" package
35,566 Miles
4 cyl/ 5 speed
Black and Tan W/ Half doors
Roof Rack
2 Tops- 1 full top looks brand new/ 1 bikini top and dust cover
Locking Center Counsel
Locking Hood latch
Locking Gas Cap
Insta trunk
Custom steering wheel
Large Cargo box in back
Custom Rims and 30" tires
Brand new Kenwood CD player
Soundbar
6x9 sound wedges
power brakes
This Jeep is in PERFECT condition
Runs and looks like new
Was bought as a toy but not used enough.
MUST SELL!!!!!!
$8,100 obo
Call Brad 480-510-9837
brad taylor
75417 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:46pm
Subject: [FS] 95' Jeep Wrangler
Price: $8,100
Contact: Brad Taylor
95' Jeep Wrangler "S" package
35,566 Miles
4 cyl/ 5 speed
Black and Tan W/ Half doors
Roof Rack
2 Tops- 1 full top looks brand new/ 1 bikini top and dust cover
Locking Center Counsel
Locking Hood latch
Locking Gas Cap
Insta trunk
Custom steering wheel
Large Cargo box in back
Custom Rims and 30" tires
Brand new Kenwood CD player
Soundbar
6x9 sound wedges
power brakes
This Jeep is in PERFECT condition
Runs and looks like new
Was bought as a toy but not used enough.
MUST SELL!!!!!!
$8,100 obo
Call Brad 480-510-9837
brad taylor
75418 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
I plugged the lats and longs in to Terraserver and here is the map it
generated. Look familiar to anyone? It doesn't to me.
http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?Lon=-
111.181666666667&Lat=33.1833333333333&w=1&ref=G%7C-
111.181666666667,33.1833333333333
Chris
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Gary_Pugsley
<gary_pugsley@h...> wrote:
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
> years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
> Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let
> it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the
> boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he
> was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed that
> BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have
> an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone
> did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the boulders
> fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
> was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep
> don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did
> have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not
> get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders
> and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
> basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were above
> the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
> has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
> someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and
> ruin their day.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
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75419 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:48pm
Subject: RE: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Joe....that was done a couple of years ago on Little Sluice up on the
Rubicon Trail. (but it wasn't done to keep traffic down)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe <flexyxj98@m...> [mailto:flexyxj98@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:36 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
So it made the trail more challenging....All of the trails have been
quite easier over the last 2 years....thats what we can do!!! Blast
the trails to make them harder, which we could tell the BLM we are
doing it to help keep traffic down....yeah...:) Just kidding
people....
FlexyXJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Timmsen" <ettrans@m...> wrote:
> Scott is right we need to get to bottom of this before they do it
again to other trails. Gee what did more damage tire tracks on w/f
or explosives to BLOW UP w/f !!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:01 PM
> To: 'Hackle'; gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
> We really need to get to the bottom of this. Who blasted this
stuff? Did
> they have a permit? Who authorized the blasting?
>
> Once we knpw this we can find out if this was a criminal act. If so
we
> can work on finding the culprits.
>
> If the Tucson BLM had anything to do with this we need to find out
if
> they did a proper environmental impact study before blasting and
had the
> appropriate authority to do so.
>
> At this point its too early to say, but finding out the name of this
> wash is a good starting point. Maybe Sandy will know something.
>
> Get your letter pecking fingers ready people! We might need to send
out
> some more letters.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:57 PM
> To: gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and
> North of Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do
not
> have a GPS track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a
member. "Groucho
> Marx" Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
> [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
years
> old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
Jeepers
> to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let it be
run
> once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the boulders
> above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he was out
there
> last week and it was not like that. He guessed that BLM had won, by
> blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have an idea if they
> even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone did, as there are
tool
> marks on the rocks above, where the boulders fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
was
> Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep don't
do
> waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did have my
GPS.
> The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not get any pics,
but
> it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders and a bunch of
> smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it basically
unpassable,
> without moving those boulders. We were above the water fall, and
there
> was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
has
> the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
someone
> to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and ruin
their
> day.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
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75420 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:52pm
Subject: RE: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Some of the guys and gals on the Virtual Gun Club could help you out.
We have lots of reloaders& Im absolutely sure we have a few bomb-makers in our group.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:37 PM
To: Joe ; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Yeah that's the ticket, where can we get explosives. {haha}
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:33 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
So it made the trail more challenging....All of the trails have been
quite easier over the last 2 years....thats what we can do!!! Blast
the trails to make them harder, which we could tell the BLM we are
doing it to help keep traffic down....yeah...:) Just kidding
people....
FlexyXJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Timmsen" wrote:
> Scott is right we need to get to bottom of this before they do it
again to other trails. Gee what did more damage tire tracks on w/f
or explosives to BLOW UP w/f !!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:01 PM
> To: 'Hackle'; gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
> We really need to get to the bottom of this. Who blasted this
stuff? Did
> they have a permit? Who authorized the blasting?
>
> Once we knpw this we can find out if this was a criminal act. If so
we
> can work on finding the culprits.
>
> If the Tucson BLM had anything to do with this we need to find out
if
> they did a proper environmental impact study before blasting and
had the
> appropriate authority to do so.
>
> At this point its too early to say, but finding out the name of this
> wash is a good starting point. Maybe Sandy will know something.
>
> Get your letter pecking fingers ready people! We might need to send
out
> some more letters.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:57 PM
> To: gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and
> North of Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do
not
> have a GPS track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a
member. "Groucho
> Marx" Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary_Pugsley
> [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
years
> old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
Jeepers
> to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let it be
run
> once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the boulders
> above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he was out
there
> last week and it was not like that. He guessed that BLM had won, by
> blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have an idea if they
> even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone did, as there are
tool
> marks on the rocks above, where the boulders fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
was
> Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep don't
do
> waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did have my
GPS.
> The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not get any pics,
but
> it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders and a bunch of
> smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it basically
unpassable,
> without moving those boulders. We were above the water fall, and
there
> was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
has
> the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
someone
> to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and ruin
their
> day.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
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75421 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:53pm
Subject: Re: TJ cage?
John,
John at hunteroffroad@aol.com did a TJ cage through the dash for me that is awesome. He is pricy, but the work is first class.
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
----- Original Message -----
From: John DeRuiter
To: az_vjc
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:33 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ cage?
I am thinking about improving the stock roll cage in my TJ by running it to the floor instead of just the windshield. I am looking at the products from OR-Fab or M.O.R.E. Any opinions on this? How easy is it? Is it worth doing? Are there other options?
John DeRuiter
WM7A, 98 TJ
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75422 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:57pm
Subject: RE: TJ cage?
I guess pricey is a subjective term& I find Johns rates for repair and fabrication work to be some of the lowest in town. If you think John is pricey& shop around a bit.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:53 PM
To: John DeRuiter; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TJ cage?
John,
John at hunteroffroad@aol.com did a TJ cage through the dash for me that is awesome. He is pricy, but the work is first class.
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
----- Original Message -----
From: John DeRuiter
To: az_vjc
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:33 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ cage?
I am thinking about improving the stock roll cage in my TJ by running it to the floor instead of just the windshield. I am looking at the products from OR-Fab or M.O.R.E. Any opinions on this? How easy is it? Is it worth doing? Are there other options?
John DeRuiter
WM7A, 98 TJ
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75423 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:02pm
Subject: Opinions needed.
Hi Gang,
I am running into limitations for having Cox host my web page... so I have
purchased a few URLs and want some opinions on which one I should use to
host my Jeep webpage... here are the choices:
http://www.flatfendertj.com
http://www.jeepwrangler.org
http://www.joewest.org
I took the joewest.org one just because I thought it would be neat to put
personal stuff on (get yer minds out of the gutter...) <grin>
So... what's the consensus? Thoughts?
Kind Regards,
Joe West
75424 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:04pm
Subject: RE: Opinions needed.
Joewest.org, at least we'd be forewarned as to where we were going :D
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:03 PM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] Opinions needed.
Hi Gang,
I am running into limitations for having Cox host my web page... so I
have purchased a few URLs and want some opinions on which one I should
use to host my Jeep webpage... here are the choices:
http://www.flatfendertj.com
http://www.jeepwrangler.org
http://www.joewest.org
I took the joewest.org one just because I thought it would be neat to
put personal stuff on (get yer minds out of the gutter...) <grin>
So... what's the consensus? Thoughts?
Kind Regards,
Joe West
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75400 From: Dan Coley <crawlintj@y...> <crawlintj@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:43pm
Subject: Member that is salesperson @ Darner?
At some point I thought I read there is a member that works @
Darner...if there is, shoot me an email, got some questions.
Dan
crawlintj@y...
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75401 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:50pm
Subject: GPS for FJ
Call for help.........
Tucson is trying to stick another one to us guys.......... again, they are
not "going with the flow" re the route inventory for this area. Like
Phoenix, the route inventory guys are out on the lands running "what they
see". They know there are many ROCK routes they don't see so needless to
say are not getting picked up until we identify them........
Now............ here's the problem. Tucson is taking the stand that when
the inventory is complete (by the end of the month) THESE are the only
routes. We need to get our GPS readings in BEFORE the inventory team is
pulled from the area.
Please send via email if possible............ if not I'll pick them up
anywhere!!!!
If you have them plotted on a map.......... all the better. I just need
whatever I can get NOW.
THANKS, Sandee
75402 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:30pm
Subject: RE: RE: Rock Crusher?
Experience.
The hood lock setup I purchased from them failed after a few months (at the
most) AND it actually started to RUST here in Arizona.
Anyone want it? I'll give it away for free.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepthingtj2000 <jeepthingtj2000@h...>
[mailto:jeepthingtj2000@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:28 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] RE: Rock Crusher?
Has anyone tested this or know this from experience or is it he
said she said????
Jeremy TJ 00'
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75403 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:32pm
Subject: RE: Member that is salesperson @ Darner?
Dan,
I think the service person that works closely with the club is named Julio
and is pronounced "jew-lee-oh" as opposed to "who-lee-oh"
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Coley <crawlintj@y...> [mailto:crawlintj@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:44 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Member that is salesperson @ Darner?
At some point I thought I read there is a member that works @
Darner...if there is, shoot me an email, got some questions.
Dan
crawlintj@y...
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75404 From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...> <gary_pugsley@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:34pm
Subject: Intentional Trail Blockage
Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let
it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the
boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he
was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed that
BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have
an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone
did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the boulders
fell from.
Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep
don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did
have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not
get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders
and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were above
the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
ground) just upstream from it.
Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and
ruin their day.
Gary
75405 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:57pm
Subject: RE: Intentional Trail Blockage
It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and North of
Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do not have a GPS
track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx"
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
[mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let
it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the
boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he
was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed that
BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have
an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone
did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the boulders
fell from.
Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep
don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did
have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not
get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders
and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were above
the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
ground) just upstream from it.
Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and
ruin their day.
Gary
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75406 From: <itsajeepthing28@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 0:56pm
Subject: test - DON'T READ
TEST TEST TEST
75407 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:57pm
Subject: [TR] Ajax (Upper) - Saturday, January 18, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
steve sample is leading an Ajax (Upper) trail run on Saturday, January 18, 2003.
When: 9:30 am sat
Where: cottonwood cyn entrance
Rating: 4.5
Length: all day
CB Channel: 4
just checking to see if anyone wants to run ajax. it's a short but tight trail with some challenges. locked F/R recommended. need plenty of lift and 33's minimum- prefer 35's. winch not mandatory. don't see why we can't do some of lower ajax on the way.
see ya
Upper Ajax is one waterfall after another. It gets very interesting when wet but it is always a challenge for the best built vehicle. It doesn't seem to feel the negative side of "rock stacking;" ramps keep showing up but the waterfalls don't seem to change. Most often you will have a spectator gallery from the main road up above the wash.
This is a fairly short trail in length but always seems to keep you busy most of the day. Body damage is a possibility. Don't forget your lunch, water, camera and spare parts.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75408 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:00pm
Subject: Re: test - DON'T READ
crap!!! i read it.. what did you set some kind of voodoo on this post???
Sean Speer
OneBdJeep (someday!!)
'97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
(umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:56 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] test - DON'T READ
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75409 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:02pm
Subject: RE: Intentional Trail Blockage
We really need to get to the bottom of this. Who blasted this stuff? Did
they have a permit? Who authorized the blasting?
Once we knpw this we can find out if this was a criminal act. If so we
can work on finding the culprits.
If the Tucson BLM had anything to do with this we need to find out if
they did a proper environmental impact study before blasting and had the
appropriate authority to do so.
At this point its too early to say, but finding out the name of this
wash is a good starting point. Maybe Sandy will know something.
Get your letter pecking fingers ready people! We might need to send out
some more letters.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:57 PM
To: gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and
North of Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do not
have a GPS track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx" Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
[mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76 years
old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the Jeepers
to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let it be run
once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the boulders
above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he was out there
last week and it was not like that. He guessed that BLM had won, by
blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have an idea if they
even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone did, as there are tool
marks on the rocks above, where the boulders fell from.
Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it was
Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep don't do
waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did have my GPS.
The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not get any pics, but
it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders and a bunch of
smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it basically unpassable,
without moving those boulders. We were above the water fall, and there
was a windmill (with the vanes on the
ground) just upstream from it.
Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere has
the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want someone
to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and ruin their
day.
Gary
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75410 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:22pm
Subject: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Was it before the "Y" in the streams?
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>"
<gary_pugsley@h...> wrote:
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
> years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
> Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to
let
> it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail,
the
> boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he
> was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed that
> BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might
have
> an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone
> did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the boulders
> fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
> was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep
> don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did
> have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not
> get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter)
boulders
> and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
> basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were above
> the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
> has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't
want
> someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this
and
> ruin their day.
>
> Gary
75411 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:22pm
Subject: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Scott is right we need to get to bottom of this before they do it again to other trails. Gee what did more damage tire tracks on w/f or explosives to BLOW UP w/f !!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:01 PM
To: 'Hackle'; gary_pugsley@hotmail.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
We really need to get to the bottom of this. Who blasted this stuff? Did
they have a permit? Who authorized the blasting?
Once we knpw this we can find out if this was a criminal act. If so we
can work on finding the culprits.
If the Tucson BLM had anything to do with this we need to find out if
they did a proper environmental impact study before blasting and had the
appropriate authority to do so.
At this point its too early to say, but finding out the name of this
wash is a good starting point. Maybe Sandy will know something.
Get your letter pecking fingers ready people! We might need to send out
some more letters.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@qwest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:57 PM
To: gary_pugsley@hotmail.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and
North of Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do not
have a GPS track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx" Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary_Pugsley
[mailto:gary_pugsley@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76 years
old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the Jeepers
to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let it be run
once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the boulders
above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he was out there
last week and it was not like that. He guessed that BLM had won, by
blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have an idea if they
even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone did, as there are tool
marks on the rocks above, where the boulders fell from.
Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it was
Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep don't do
waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did have my GPS.
The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not get any pics, but
it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders and a bunch of
smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it basically unpassable,
without moving those boulders. We were above the water fall, and there
was a windmill (with the vanes on the
ground) just upstream from it.
Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere has
the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want someone
to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and ruin their
day.
Gary
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75412 From: Joe <flexyxj98@m...> <flexyxj98@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:36pm
Subject: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
So it made the trail more challenging....All of the trails have been
quite easier over the last 2 years....thats what we can do!!! Blast
the trails to make them harder, which we could tell the BLM we are
doing it to help keep traffic down....yeah...:) Just kidding
people....
FlexyXJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Timmsen" <ettrans@m...> wrote:
> Scott is right we need to get to bottom of this before they do it
again to other trails. Gee what did more damage tire tracks on w/f
or explosives to BLOW UP w/f !!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:01 PM
> To: 'Hackle'; gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
> We really need to get to the bottom of this. Who blasted this
stuff? Did
> they have a permit? Who authorized the blasting?
>
> Once we knpw this we can find out if this was a criminal act. If so
we
> can work on finding the culprits.
>
> If the Tucson BLM had anything to do with this we need to find out
if
> they did a proper environmental impact study before blasting and
had the
> appropriate authority to do so.
>
> At this point its too early to say, but finding out the name of this
> wash is a good starting point. Maybe Sandy will know something.
>
> Get your letter pecking fingers ready people! We might need to send
out
> some more letters.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:57 PM
> To: gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and
> North of Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do
not
> have a GPS track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a
member. "Groucho
> Marx" Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
> [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
years
> old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
Jeepers
> to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let it be
run
> once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the boulders
> above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he was out
there
> last week and it was not like that. He guessed that BLM had won, by
> blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have an idea if they
> even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone did, as there are
tool
> marks on the rocks above, where the boulders fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
was
> Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep don't
do
> waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did have my
GPS.
> The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not get any pics,
but
> it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders and a bunch of
> smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it basically
unpassable,
> without moving those boulders. We were above the water fall, and
there
> was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
has
> the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
someone
> to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and ruin
their
> day.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
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75413 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:37pm
Subject: [FS] Borg-warner T/C
Price: Cheap
Contact: ettrans@msn.com
I know this isn't jeep related, but it tows a jeep. Need a b/w 13-56 non electric t/c with slip yoke. I can make a bolt on yoke work if someone has one let me know
Ed Timmsen
75414 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:39pm
Subject: RE: Intentional Trail Blockage
Sounds like what happened to Predator last year.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
> [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
> years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
> Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let
> it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the
> boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he
> was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed that
> BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have
> an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone
> did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the boulders
> fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
> was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep
> don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did
> have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not
> get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders
> and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
> basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were above
> the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
> has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
> someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and
> ruin their day.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
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75415 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:36pm
Subject: Re: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Yeah that's the ticket, where can we get explosives. {haha}
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:33 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
So it made the trail more challenging....All of the trails have been
quite easier over the last 2 years....thats what we can do!!! Blast
the trails to make them harder, which we could tell the BLM we are
doing it to help keep traffic down....yeah...:) Just kidding
people....
FlexyXJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Timmsen" wrote:
> Scott is right we need to get to bottom of this before they do it
again to other trails. Gee what did more damage tire tracks on w/f
or explosives to BLOW UP w/f !!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:01 PM
> To: 'Hackle'; gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
> We really need to get to the bottom of this. Who blasted this
stuff? Did
> they have a permit? Who authorized the blasting?
>
> Once we knpw this we can find out if this was a criminal act. If so
we
> can work on finding the culprits.
>
> If the Tucson BLM had anything to do with this we need to find out
if
> they did a proper environmental impact study before blasting and
had the
> appropriate authority to do so.
>
> At this point its too early to say, but finding out the name of this
> wash is a good starting point. Maybe Sandy will know something.
>
> Get your letter pecking fingers ready people! We might need to send
out
> some more letters.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:57 PM
> To: gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and
> North of Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do
not
> have a GPS track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a
member. "Groucho
> Marx" Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary_Pugsley
> [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
years
> old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
Jeepers
> to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let it be
run
> once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the boulders
> above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he was out
there
> last week and it was not like that. He guessed that BLM had won, by
> blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have an idea if they
> even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone did, as there are
tool
> marks on the rocks above, where the boulders fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
was
> Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep don't
do
> waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did have my
GPS.
> The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not get any pics,
but
> it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders and a bunch of
> smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it basically
unpassable,
> without moving those boulders. We were above the water fall, and
there
> was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
has
> the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
someone
> to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and ruin
their
> day.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
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75416 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:45pm
Subject: [FS] 95' Jeep Wrangler
Price: $8,100
Contact: Brad Taylor
95' Jeep Wrangler "S" package
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Locking Center Counsel
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This Jeep is in PERFECT condition
Runs and looks like new
Was bought as a toy but not used enough.
MUST SELL!!!!!!
$8,100 obo
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75417 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:46pm
Subject: [FS] 95' Jeep Wrangler
Price: $8,100
Contact: Brad Taylor
95' Jeep Wrangler "S" package
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75418 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
I plugged the lats and longs in to Terraserver and here is the map it
generated. Look familiar to anyone? It doesn't to me.
http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?Lon=-
111.181666666667&Lat=33.1833333333333&w=1&ref=G%7C-
111.181666666667,33.1833333333333
Chris
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 06:34 PM, Gary_Pugsley
<gary_pugsley@h...> wrote:
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
> years old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
> Jeepers to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let
> it be run once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the
> boulders above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he
> was out there last week and it was not like that. He guessed that
> BLM had won, by blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have
> an idea if they even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone
> did, as there are tool marks on the rocks above, where the boulders
> fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
> was Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep
> don't do waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did
> have my GPS. The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not
> get any pics, but it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders
> and a bunch of smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it
> basically unpassable, without moving those boulders. We were above
> the water fall, and there was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
> has the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
> someone to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and
> ruin their day.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
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75419 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:48pm
Subject: RE: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Joe....that was done a couple of years ago on Little Sluice up on the
Rubicon Trail. (but it wasn't done to keep traffic down)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe <flexyxj98@m...> [mailto:flexyxj98@m...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:36 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
So it made the trail more challenging....All of the trails have been
quite easier over the last 2 years....thats what we can do!!! Blast
the trails to make them harder, which we could tell the BLM we are
doing it to help keep traffic down....yeah...:) Just kidding
people....
FlexyXJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Timmsen" <ettrans@m...> wrote:
> Scott is right we need to get to bottom of this before they do it
again to other trails. Gee what did more damage tire tracks on w/f
or explosives to BLOW UP w/f !!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:01 PM
> To: 'Hackle'; gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
> We really need to get to the bottom of this. Who blasted this
stuff? Did
> they have a permit? Who authorized the blasting?
>
> Once we knpw this we can find out if this was a criminal act. If so
we
> can work on finding the culprits.
>
> If the Tucson BLM had anything to do with this we need to find out
if
> they did a proper environmental impact study before blasting and
had the
> appropriate authority to do so.
>
> At this point its too early to say, but finding out the name of this
> wash is a good starting point. Maybe Sandy will know something.
>
> Get your letter pecking fingers ready people! We might need to send
out
> some more letters.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:57 PM
> To: gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and
> North of Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do
not
> have a GPS track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a
member. "Groucho
> Marx" Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
> [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
years
> old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
Jeepers
> to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let it be
run
> once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the boulders
> above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he was out
there
> last week and it was not like that. He guessed that BLM had won, by
> blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have an idea if they
> even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone did, as there are
tool
> marks on the rocks above, where the boulders fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
was
> Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep don't
do
> waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did have my
GPS.
> The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not get any pics,
but
> it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders and a bunch of
> smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it basically
unpassable,
> without moving those boulders. We were above the water fall, and
there
> was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
has
> the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
someone
> to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and ruin
their
> day.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
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75420 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:52pm
Subject: RE: Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Some of the guys and gals on the Virtual Gun Club could help you out.
We have lots of reloaders& Im absolutely sure we have a few bomb-makers in our group.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:37 PM
To: Joe ; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
Yeah that's the ticket, where can we get explosives. {haha}
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:33 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Intentional Trail Blockage
So it made the trail more challenging....All of the trails have been
quite easier over the last 2 years....thats what we can do!!! Blast
the trails to make them harder, which we could tell the BLM we are
doing it to help keep traffic down....yeah...:) Just kidding
people....
FlexyXJ
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Timmsen" wrote:
> Scott is right we need to get to bottom of this before they do it
again to other trails. Gee what did more damage tire tracks on w/f
or explosives to BLOW UP w/f !!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:01 PM
> To: 'Hackle'; gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
> We really need to get to the bottom of this. Who blasted this
stuff? Did
> they have a permit? Who authorized the blasting?
>
> Once we knpw this we can find out if this was a criminal act. If so
we
> can work on finding the culprits.
>
> If the Tucson BLM had anything to do with this we need to find out
if
> they did a proper environmental impact study before blasting and
had the
> appropriate authority to do so.
>
> At this point its too early to say, but finding out the name of this
> wash is a good starting point. Maybe Sandy will know something.
>
> Get your letter pecking fingers ready people! We might need to send
out
> some more letters.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:57 PM
> To: gary_pugsley@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> It is not Jawbreaker and is in the wash south of Upper Ajax and
> North of Martinez Canyon. I am not familiar with this trail and do
not
> have a GPS track for Overdose or Brakeline to check them. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a
member. "Groucho
> Marx" Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary_Pugsley
> [mailto:gary_pugsley@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Intentional Trail Blockage
>
>
> Hey all, I was out in FJ on my quad today with an "old-timer" (76
years
> old, and lives in the FJ area, knows every trail out there).
>
> He showed me a trail and said that the BLM was fighting with the
Jeepers
> to get it closed, but there was a deal that BLM agreed to let it be
run
> once a year. When we got to a waterfall on the trail, the boulders
> above it had been blasted to block the trail. He said he was out
there
> last week and it was not like that. He guessed that BLM had won, by
> blasting the rocks. I don't know, Sandee might have an idea if they
> even do this. I don't know whodunit, but someone did, as there are
tool
> marks on the rocks above, where the boulders fell from.
>
> Problem: I don't know what trail it was on, I am guessing that it
was
> Overdose, Brakeline or jawbreaker, but don't know (stock jeep don't
do
> waterfalls). and I did not get any pics of it, but I did have my
GPS.
> The coords are N33 11.6 W111 10.967 Sorry I did not get any pics,
but
> it has a couple of good size (5' diameter) boulders and a bunch of
> smaller stuff sitting in the waterfall making it basically
unpassable,
> without moving those boulders. We were above the water fall, and
there
> was a windmill (with the vanes on the
> ground) just upstream from it.
>
> Sorry about the lack of information, but I figure someone somewhere
has
> the trail on GPS and will know which one it is. Just don't want
someone
> to go up there and expect to run the trail, to find this and ruin
their
> day.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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75421 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:53pm
Subject: Re: TJ cage?
John,
John at hunteroffroad@aol.com did a TJ cage through the dash for me that is awesome. He is pricy, but the work is first class.
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
----- Original Message -----
From: John DeRuiter
To: az_vjc
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:33 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ cage?
I am thinking about improving the stock roll cage in my TJ by running it to the floor instead of just the windshield. I am looking at the products from OR-Fab or M.O.R.E. Any opinions on this? How easy is it? Is it worth doing? Are there other options?
John DeRuiter
WM7A, 98 TJ
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75422 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:57pm
Subject: RE: TJ cage?
I guess pricey is a subjective term& I find Johns rates for repair and fabrication work to be some of the lowest in town. If you think John is pricey& shop around a bit.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:53 PM
To: John DeRuiter; az_vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TJ cage?
John,
John at hunteroffroad@aol.com did a TJ cage through the dash for me that is awesome. He is pricy, but the work is first class.
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
----- Original Message -----
From: John DeRuiter
To: az_vjc
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:33 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ cage?
I am thinking about improving the stock roll cage in my TJ by running it to the floor instead of just the windshield. I am looking at the products from OR-Fab or M.O.R.E. Any opinions on this? How easy is it? Is it worth doing? Are there other options?
John DeRuiter
WM7A, 98 TJ
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75423 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:02pm
Subject: Opinions needed.
Hi Gang,
I am running into limitations for having Cox host my web page... so I have
purchased a few URLs and want some opinions on which one I should use to
host my Jeep webpage... here are the choices:
http://www.flatfendertj.com
http://www.jeepwrangler.org
http://www.joewest.org
I took the joewest.org one just because I thought it would be neat to put
personal stuff on (get yer minds out of the gutter...) <grin>
So... what's the consensus? Thoughts?
Kind Regards,
Joe West
75424 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:04pm
Subject: RE: Opinions needed.
Joewest.org, at least we'd be forewarned as to where we were going :D
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:03 PM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] Opinions needed.
Hi Gang,
I am running into limitations for having Cox host my web page... so I
have purchased a few URLs and want some opinions on which one I should
use to host my Jeep webpage... here are the choices:
http://www.flatfendertj.com
http://www.jeepwrangler.org
http://www.joewest.org
I took the joewest.org one just because I thought it would be neat to
put personal stuff on (get yer minds out of the gutter...) <grin>
So... what's the consensus? Thoughts?
Kind Regards,
Joe West
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