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75150 From: Bill - Jeeps Only <bill@j...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 0:53pm
Subject: Re: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
Well I care and it was interesting. But as this relates to the club and to
our hobby, I think public relations is VERY important. Most people seem to
see us as a bunch of uneducated, beer guzzling, littering yahoos who always
run full throttle and blaze our own trails through pristine wilderness,
mowing down endangered species. In reality I think most of us in this club
are caring, responsible people. The only way most of these people will ever
know that is if we go out and meet them and discuss our hobby and our
committment to clean but accessible lands. In society, people (myself
included) tend to travel within their own circles of like-minded people and
perceptions like the one I mentioned above, however incorrect they may be,
are only fed. As an example, politically speaking, republicans think of
democrats as bleeding-heart liberals who just want to raise taxes and
democrats think of republicans as a bunch of rich greedy conservatives. I
found most people I spoke with at the 202 opening seemed interested in what
we do to make sure trails are kept clean and how we try and educate the
offroad public about staying on trails, etc. Some were surprised that so
many families participate, a fact I think is important to our image.
Anyway, we as a group should take advantage of opportunities like freeway
openings to let people know who we really are and even to invite new Jeep
owners to join our group. While some may not care about a freeway opening,
the fact is many do and the sheer numbers of people who go to these things
make it worthwhile for us to be there also. It was reported on 12 News last
night that around 15,000 people showed up.
---------------
Bill Hooven
Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
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----- Original Message -----
From: <martinida@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 1:16 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
> All-
>
> Maybe I missed it because it was buried in a long post I deleted,
> but.... Why do we care that there was another opening of the loop
> 202? Expousre for the club? Don't we want to push for less concrete
> and more rocks?
>
> Martin
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AZICE626@a... wrote:
> > Sandee....I believe Stu was right about one thing.....there was
> no "build up"
> > to this event....on the previous loop openings, the organizers
> promoted it on
> > almost a daily basis...this kept the event fresh in everyone's mind
> and
> > resulted in more people showing up...I may be wrong, but the event
> for
> > Saturday was posted as a run on the website and that was basically
> it until
> > what, Thu or Fri before?????....I personally had forgotten about,
> but I could
> > not have attended as I was signed up to help at the wrenching
> party.....thus,
> > I had also made a commitment to a club function and lived up to
> that
> > commitment.....I'm sorry there was a poor turn out for the event
> but those
> > things happen, especially when the event was not very well
> publicized.....and
> > James, I don't know how you got that Stu was bashing you with his
> comments,
> > when I read his post, it sounded like he was defending you.....my
> nickle's
> > worth....tj
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 2:02pm
Subject: [FS] TJ soft top for sale
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Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 2:08pm
Subject: [FS] 5 TJ Canyon rims FS
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75153 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 2:11pm
Subject: [FS] Stock 2001 TJ susp parts(free)
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75154 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 2:24pm
Subject: RE: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
Hi James,
Here's a different way of looking at it:
The better the leader you are, the more people want you to lead.
Joe West
The more you give, the more people will want.
--James
75155 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:16pm
Subject: [FS] Need a working Dana 20 XFER Case for my cj project
Price:
Contact: regress@att.net or 480.836.0957 leave msg for Rick
I need a Dana 20 xfer case, preferably in working condition. 4880
rick gressel
75156 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:28pm
Subject: [FS] 1989 Cherokee
Price: $6500
Contact: dougolson@cox.net
4.0L, 5 speed, 109K, Rubican Express 3" lift, RS 9000 shocks, 31x10.5 tires, Tera-Low 4:1 transfer case, No-slip lockers F/R, K&N; air filter, Flowmaster muffler, CB, factory spare tire carrier, Thule roof rack, winch bumper, white/gray, excellent capability and condition
Doug Olson
75157 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:51pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
No price listed, but I'm thinking it has got to be cheaper than an Atlas
as well as less problems installing. According to Alldata, Chrysler
lists a new 231 for $875 (may be rebuilt), if that is so, then they
likely list the 241 for around $1250-$1500. I work in the automotive
industry, and for my personal vehicles, get 30% off of list. I plan on
spending some time on the phone with the stealership parts dept. this
week to see if they have any info on interchangeability, and also to
verify price.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:48 AM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
Did they have a price? I wonder how the price compares to an AtlasII
transfer case.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75158 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:52pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
Remember that the new Wranglers also have a brand new transmission, I'll
bet that is the difference.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
OK....sounds good. I didn't realize that you had already found the info
saying it would bolt in....hopefully it will fit in the available space.
Something is making the Rubicon hand a inch or two lower than its
cousins....logically, it would be the tranny or the t-case.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75159 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 4:23pm
Subject: Re: Tera 60
It's your daily driver, and in 9 months you've only put 3,000
miles on it? That's only about 335 miles a month. I wish I didn't
have to drive so much- I'd save a lot of $ on gas- but at least I
don't have to put road miles on the Jeep since it isn't my only
vehicle. Anyway, that's some low milage!
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Steveslifer@a... wrote:
> We were one of the ten. To back up Todd, right around last April,
Todd took
> out our Dana 35 from the rear end of our 2000 TJ and replaced it
with a Tera
> 60 high pinion. We've done some runs, took our baby up to Moab,
and did
> lower Helldorado. Our jeep is our only vehicle, and we use it day-
to-day.
> We have over 3,000 miles on the rear and haven't had a problem with
it. Runs
> like a dream (thanks Todd). By the way, we still have our old
Dana 35, 373
> gears drum-to-drum and front gears, for sale; please reply if
interested
> directly off AVJC chat line.
>
> He did a great job, and we would recommend him to anyone.
>
> Steve and Rose Slifer
75160 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 4:34pm
Subject: Re: Re: Snorkel?
I would be interested, got any pictures????
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrison St.Clair" <gunslinger@m...>
To: "az_vjc List-Auto-Jeep" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Snorkel?
> Sean,
>
> Despite having an ARB/Safari snorkel - and being totally satisfied with
it -
> I agree that they are way overpriced.
>
> You can however build your own using 3" PVC pipe and some flexible tubing.
> I've done this for a friend's CJ-5 and am now planning one for another
> friend's full-size Bronco. Cost was under 30 bux and time was about three
> hours.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> G.
>
> Gunslinger's Seventh Law:
> "Those who can, do; those who cannot, teach; and, those who can do
> neither, spoil."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...>
> To: <Joey@d...>; "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> Cc: <martinida@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 11 January, 2003 10:39
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Snorkel?
>
>
> > y'all bring up good points... i wouldn't mind getting a snorkel. $200
bux
> > tho!! damn! how bout a snorkel for fresh air in the cab? on nights when
my
> > wife makes ham and bean soup i could really use a cab snorkel on the way
> to
> > work. with the top up and doors on and windows zipped... it gets pretty
> > bad!!! even tho i don't have a back window!!! EEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHWWWWWW!!!
> >
> > hehe... anyway!!! how much do snorkels really cost? can someone just
build
> > their own???
> >
> > how about a "build it yourself snorkel" workshop! i'd attend!
> >
> >
> > Sean Speer
> > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> > To: <Joey@d...>
> > Cc: <martinida@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Snorkel?
> >
> >
> > > Yup, that too.
> > >
> > > On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 08:40 AM, DesertJeep wrote:
> > >
> > > > Best place for air intake is *outside* the engine compartment. Fresh
> > > > cooler air is a good thing.
> > > >
> > > > Joey K
> > > > 93YJ
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: mrwardj <martinida@c...> [mailto:martinida@c...]
> > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:14 AM
> > > >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Snorkel?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Why even put it that high. You would have to be using scuba
yourself
> > > >> to really put it to work. Just relocat the filter inside the
engine
> > > >> compartment. ;) JMO
> > > >>
> > > >> Martin
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Garrison St.Clair"
<gunslinger@m...>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>> Jay,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Here it is installed on a 1992 YJ. If you need under the hood
> > > >> shots, let me
> > > >>> know.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gunslinger
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: <laughingboy3@y...>
> > > >>> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >>> Sent: Saturday, 11 January, 2003 01:16
> > > >>> Subject: [az_vjc] Snorkel?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Does anyone have any pictures of a YJ Wrangler with an ARB
> > > >> snorkel
> > > >>>> setup? I just want to see how it looks to compare. Thanks
> > > >>>> Jay Matthews 92YJ
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
>
>
>
>
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75161 From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...> <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 4:48pm
Subject: Half-fast trip report Lake Pleasant to Crown King 01/12/03
Just got back from Crown King. Great turnout, at the start, I
counted 56 vehicles and I'm sure I didn't get them all. There were
a good number of Cherokees and Grands, a lot of CJs and Wranglers,
both YJ and TJ, including at least 2 Rubicons, a couple of old
broncos, a couple Toys, couple Chevys, a SuperDuty, and others. Let
me be the first to thank Barry from 4 Wheelers for an outstanding
job organizing this large crowd and keeping it moving. We made it
in about 5 1/2 hours, not bad for such a large crowd. The damage
was minimal, one flat tire, one broken tierod, and one broken front
driveline. At least I think that was all, my POS CB was not working
well, so I may have missed hearing of other problems. It seemed
that there were very few stucks or problems and that a good time was
had by all. Not a whole lot of time to stop and take pictures with
such a large group, but we got a few and posted some of them at:
http://community.webshots.com/user/lrobinson5953
Thanks again to Barry for organinzing this.
Lon
75162 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:13pm
Subject: RE: Advise needed please
The impact wrench and a pry bar placed in the right place should do it.
--steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Legge [mailto:scottleggejr@h...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:35 PM
To: steve.j.meyer@c...
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Advise needed please
And you need something to stop the engine from turning over when you re
torque the balancer back on. Its a pain if its an auto. Hell it can be a
pain if its not! Good luck.
Scott Legge
>From: "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...>
>To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Advise needed please
>Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:06:07 -0700
>
>I pulled mine with a harmonic balancer puller I rented from Pep Boys for
>free. An air impact wrench is also handy for removing the nut to get to
>the
>balancer.
>
>--Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@t...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:56 PM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Advise needed please
>
>
> Ok, Here's the deal. I need to change my front main bearing seal. I
>understand I need to only take the harmonic balancer off to get to it. I
>know, also the fan and radiator etc. What tools do I need for the harmonic
>balancer and the actual pulling of the seal? Can I get them at Harbor
>Freight, and how much? I am trying to see if this will be cheaper if I do
>it
>rather than a mechanic. The part is only like 6 bucks.
> Any info is appreciated, as she's starting to leak bad! (97 TJ 4.0L)
> Bill W
> K7ANT a.k.a. "Antman"
> 97 TJ with a few mods.
> Up on the Mogollon Rim in Arizona.
> God and 4 wheelers' country!
>
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75163 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:08pm
Subject: [FS] Skyjacker 7.5" XJ Leaf Springs "NEW"
Price: $350.00
Contact: Theon Wier
Skyjacker 7.5" XJ Leaf Springs, bought with my 8" Rock Ready kit, Paid $400, can not use them they are two little, I need 10" leafs for my project.
Theon Wier
75164 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:25pm
Subject: RE: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
Either that or they just don't know any better ;)
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 3:24 PM
To: James.Towle@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
Hi James,
Here's a different way of looking at it:
The better the leader you are, the more people want you to lead.
Joe West
The more you give, the more people will want.
--James
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75165 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: Clean UP 01-25-03 Important
A clean up is scheduled for the Table Mesa area for this day. We need a
good showing as this area is where the Phx. BLM are building a new RMP. We
need to show them that this area is important to us. All the info is on the
web page please sign up and show up to help. We could plan runs in the area
after the clean up. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx"
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
75166 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
From what I have seen the new 241 Rubicon tcase is taller than the 231
due to the larger and beefier planetary gearset. I have heard the the
swap requires a body lift to fit into an older TJ.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 4:53 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Remember that the new Wranglers also have a brand new transmission, I'll
bet that is the difference.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
OK....sounds good. I didn't realize that you had already found the info
saying it would bolt in....hopefully it will fit in the available space.
Something is making the Rubicon hand a inch or two lower than its
cousins....logically, it would be the tranny or the t-case.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75167 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:29pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Sunday, January 12, 2003
Hello All,
Ed Timmsen lead a trail run Sunday, January 12, 2003 across Unspecified
It was 9am when all of us met at designated spot,Scott gold tj, Joey white yj, Rodger green yj, Ron white cj?,George orange fs cherokee, &; another cj, grey, sorry don't remember thier names, myself white tj. Got going about 9:30 ran a short trail on way to Scopion lost Ron due to broken front main spring, he and George limped back to Rons trailer. The rest of us continued on to trail I was the first to try the w/f got to bouncing eng. died. It was a while till we had it running agian {pinched fuel pump wires above t/c &; floor}. I made it up then Scott then Rodger came walked up made us look bad. Joey got rear bumper hung and had to be straped up the grey cj was open f/r didn't try. Joey left his jeep there and walked the rest of trail with couple in cj. The rest of the trail was uneventful other than a few snags on diffs. We had lunch after comming down the 1st w/f after that Rodger left and a white xj showed up. We went to play on rocks on the west side of the moutain I ended up breaking a front axel and we all called it a day All of us had a good time!!! Ed bgwtjp.
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75168 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:37pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
A body lift would be a small price to pay for that new case
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 6:28 PM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
From what I have seen the new 241 Rubicon tcase is taller than the 231
due to the larger and beefier planetary gearset. I have heard the the
swap requires a body lift to fit into an older TJ.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 4:53 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Remember that the new Wranglers also have a brand new transmission, I'll
bet that is the difference.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
OK....sounds good. I didn't realize that you had already found the info
saying it would bolt in....hopefully it will fit in the available space.
Something is making the Rubicon hand a inch or two lower than its
cousins....logically, it would be the tranny or the t-case.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75169 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:40pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
Scott,
I'm not sure if that would be the case or not. Remember that the non
Rubicon Wranglers are running the same body, frame, and I believe tcase
skid. This would seem to indicate that it will fit without a body lift
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 6:28 PM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
From what I have seen the new 241 Rubicon tcase is taller than the 231
due to the larger and beefier planetary gearset. I have heard the the
swap requires a body lift to fit into an older TJ.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 4:53 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Remember that the new Wranglers also have a brand new transmission, I'll
bet that is the difference.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
OK....sounds good. I didn't realize that you had already found the info
saying it would bolt in....hopefully it will fit in the available space.
Something is making the Rubicon hand a inch or two lower than its
cousins....logically, it would be the tranny or the t-case.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75170 From: george Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:42pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Sunday, January 12, 2003
Not sure what's up with my Cherokee. Runs great on flat land. Going up or down and major hesitation. I could see that with a carb but I have TBI!
Good to meet some new folks and see some old friends.
I'll figure it out eventually.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee
'73 Wagoneer
'93 Grand Cherokee
'00 Wrangler
Avondale Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:29 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Sunday, January 12, 2003
Hello All,
Ed Timmsen lead a trail run Sunday, January 12, 2003 across Unspecified
It was 9am when all of us met at designated spot,Scott gold tj, Joey white yj, Rodger green yj, Ron white cj?,George orange fs cherokee, & another cj, grey, sorry don't remember thier names, myself white tj. Got going about 9:30 ran a short trail on way to Scopion lost Ron due to broken front main spring, he and George limped back to Rons trailer. The rest of us continued on to trail I was the first to try the w/f got to bouncing eng. died. It was a while till we had it running agian {pinched fuel pump wires above t/c & floor}. I made it up then Scott then Rodger came walked up made us look bad. Joey got rear bumper hung and had to be straped up the grey cj was open f/r didn't try. Joey left his jeep there and walked the rest of trail with couple in cj. The rest of the trail was uneventful other than a few snags on diffs. We had lunch after comming down the 1st w/f after that Rodger left and a white xj showed up. We went to play on rocks on the west side of the moutain I ended up breaking a front axel and we all called it a day All of us had a good time!!! Ed bgwtjp.
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
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75171 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:44pm
Subject: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
Yeah, the plight of the lemmings, evreybody leap at the edge of the
cliff. ROFLMAO
But, good leader know how to deligate. Let the deligating begin. j/k
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Either that or they just don't know any better ;)
>
> LOL
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 3:24 PM
> To: James.Towle@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you
where ?????
>
>
> Hi James,
>
> Here's a different way of looking at it:
>
> The better the leader you are, the more people want you to lead.
>
> Joe West
>
75172 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:57pm
Subject: RE: [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Sunday, January 12, 2003
Ed,
Where did you manage to break the axle? I didn't realize you had broken one.
Thanks for leading the run. I have a few pics posted:
http://members.cox.net/skruize/scorpion/scorpion1.jpg
http://members.cox.net/skruize/scorpion/scorpion2.jpg
http://members.cox.net/skruize/scorpion/scorpion3.jpg
http://members.cox.net/skruize/scorpion/scorpion4.jpg
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:29 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Sunday, January 12, 2003
Hello All,
Ed Timmsen lead a trail run Sunday, January 12, 2003 across Unspecified
It was 9am when all of us met at designated spot,Scott gold tj, Joey white yj, Rodger green yj, Ron white cj?,George orange fs cherokee, & another cj, grey, sorry don't remember thier names, myself white tj. Got going about 9:30 ran a short trail on way to Scopion lost Ron due to broken front main spring, he and George limped back to Rons trailer. The rest of us continued on to trail I was the first to try the w/f got to bouncing eng. died. It was a while till we had it running agian {pinched fuel pump wires above t/c & floor}. I made it up then Scott then Rodger came walked up made us look bad. Joey got rear bumper hung and had to be straped up the grey cj was open f/r didn't try. Joey left his jeep there and walked the rest of trail with couple in cj. The rest of the trail was uneventful other than a few snags on diffs. We had lunch after comming down the 1st w/f after that Rodger left and a white xj showed up. We went to play on rocks on the west side of the moutain I ended up breaking a front axel and we all called it a day All of us had a good time!!! Ed bgwtjp.
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
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75173 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 6:01pm
Subject: Someone left a NICE hammer at the Kill Switch technical workshop
If it belongs to you... please let me know so I can get it back to you.
Joe West
75174 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:59pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
Ahh yes, but the Rubicon has a different crossmember that hangs lower
than the other new TJ's. That's where they make the extra room for it.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 6:41 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Scott,
I'm not sure if that would be the case or not. Remember that the non
Rubicon Wranglers are running the same body, frame, and I believe tcase
skid. This would seem to indicate that it will fit without a body lift
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 6:28 PM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
From what I have seen the new 241 Rubicon tcase is taller than the 231
due to the larger and beefier planetary gearset. I have heard the the
swap requires a body lift to fit into an older TJ.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 4:53 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Remember that the new Wranglers also have a brand new transmission, I'll
bet that is the difference.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
OK....sounds good. I didn't realize that you had already found the info
saying it would bolt in....hopefully it will fit in the available space.
Something is making the Rubicon hand a inch or two lower than its
cousins....logically, it would be the tranny or the t-case.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75150 From: Bill - Jeeps Only <bill@j...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 0:53pm
Subject: Re: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
Well I care and it was interesting. But as this relates to the club and to
our hobby, I think public relations is VERY important. Most people seem to
see us as a bunch of uneducated, beer guzzling, littering yahoos who always
run full throttle and blaze our own trails through pristine wilderness,
mowing down endangered species. In reality I think most of us in this club
are caring, responsible people. The only way most of these people will ever
know that is if we go out and meet them and discuss our hobby and our
committment to clean but accessible lands. In society, people (myself
included) tend to travel within their own circles of like-minded people and
perceptions like the one I mentioned above, however incorrect they may be,
are only fed. As an example, politically speaking, republicans think of
democrats as bleeding-heart liberals who just want to raise taxes and
democrats think of republicans as a bunch of rich greedy conservatives. I
found most people I spoke with at the 202 opening seemed interested in what
we do to make sure trails are kept clean and how we try and educate the
offroad public about staying on trails, etc. Some were surprised that so
many families participate, a fact I think is important to our image.
Anyway, we as a group should take advantage of opportunities like freeway
openings to let people know who we really are and even to invite new Jeep
owners to join our group. While some may not care about a freeway opening,
the fact is many do and the sheer numbers of people who go to these things
make it worthwhile for us to be there also. It was reported on 12 News last
night that around 15,000 people showed up.
---------------
Bill Hooven
Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
---------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: <martinida@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 1:16 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
> All-
>
> Maybe I missed it because it was buried in a long post I deleted,
> but.... Why do we care that there was another opening of the loop
> 202? Expousre for the club? Don't we want to push for less concrete
> and more rocks?
>
> Martin
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AZICE626@a... wrote:
> > Sandee....I believe Stu was right about one thing.....there was
> no "build up"
> > to this event....on the previous loop openings, the organizers
> promoted it on
> > almost a daily basis...this kept the event fresh in everyone's mind
> and
> > resulted in more people showing up...I may be wrong, but the event
> for
> > Saturday was posted as a run on the website and that was basically
> it until
> > what, Thu or Fri before?????....I personally had forgotten about,
> but I could
> > not have attended as I was signed up to help at the wrenching
> party.....thus,
> > I had also made a commitment to a club function and lived up to
> that
> > commitment.....I'm sorry there was a poor turn out for the event
> but those
> > things happen, especially when the event was not very well
> publicized.....and
> > James, I don't know how you got that Stu was bashing you with his
> comments,
> > when I read his post, it sounded like he was defending you.....my
> nickle's
> > worth....tj
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 2:02pm
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Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 2:11pm
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75154 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 2:24pm
Subject: RE: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
Hi James,
Here's a different way of looking at it:
The better the leader you are, the more people want you to lead.
Joe West
The more you give, the more people will want.
--James
75155 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:16pm
Subject: [FS] Need a working Dana 20 XFER Case for my cj project
Price:
Contact: regress@att.net or 480.836.0957 leave msg for Rick
I need a Dana 20 xfer case, preferably in working condition. 4880
rick gressel
75156 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:28pm
Subject: [FS] 1989 Cherokee
Price: $6500
Contact: dougolson@cox.net
4.0L, 5 speed, 109K, Rubican Express 3" lift, RS 9000 shocks, 31x10.5 tires, Tera-Low 4:1 transfer case, No-slip lockers F/R, K&N; air filter, Flowmaster muffler, CB, factory spare tire carrier, Thule roof rack, winch bumper, white/gray, excellent capability and condition
Doug Olson
75157 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:51pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
No price listed, but I'm thinking it has got to be cheaper than an Atlas
as well as less problems installing. According to Alldata, Chrysler
lists a new 231 for $875 (may be rebuilt), if that is so, then they
likely list the 241 for around $1250-$1500. I work in the automotive
industry, and for my personal vehicles, get 30% off of list. I plan on
spending some time on the phone with the stealership parts dept. this
week to see if they have any info on interchangeability, and also to
verify price.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:48 AM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
Did they have a price? I wonder how the price compares to an AtlasII
transfer case.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75158 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:52pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
Remember that the new Wranglers also have a brand new transmission, I'll
bet that is the difference.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
OK....sounds good. I didn't realize that you had already found the info
saying it would bolt in....hopefully it will fit in the available space.
Something is making the Rubicon hand a inch or two lower than its
cousins....logically, it would be the tranny or the t-case.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75159 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...> <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 4:23pm
Subject: Re: Tera 60
It's your daily driver, and in 9 months you've only put 3,000
miles on it? That's only about 335 miles a month. I wish I didn't
have to drive so much- I'd save a lot of $ on gas- but at least I
don't have to put road miles on the Jeep since it isn't my only
vehicle. Anyway, that's some low milage!
Lachlan
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Steveslifer@a... wrote:
> We were one of the ten. To back up Todd, right around last April,
Todd took
> out our Dana 35 from the rear end of our 2000 TJ and replaced it
with a Tera
> 60 high pinion. We've done some runs, took our baby up to Moab,
and did
> lower Helldorado. Our jeep is our only vehicle, and we use it day-
to-day.
> We have over 3,000 miles on the rear and haven't had a problem with
it. Runs
> like a dream (thanks Todd). By the way, we still have our old
Dana 35, 373
> gears drum-to-drum and front gears, for sale; please reply if
interested
> directly off AVJC chat line.
>
> He did a great job, and we would recommend him to anyone.
>
> Steve and Rose Slifer
75160 From: Michael Beckham <jeepnut7261@h...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 4:34pm
Subject: Re: Re: Snorkel?
I would be interested, got any pictures????
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrison St.Clair" <gunslinger@m...>
To: "az_vjc List-Auto-Jeep" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Snorkel?
> Sean,
>
> Despite having an ARB/Safari snorkel - and being totally satisfied with
it -
> I agree that they are way overpriced.
>
> You can however build your own using 3" PVC pipe and some flexible tubing.
> I've done this for a friend's CJ-5 and am now planning one for another
> friend's full-size Bronco. Cost was under 30 bux and time was about three
> hours.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> G.
>
> Gunslinger's Seventh Law:
> "Those who can, do; those who cannot, teach; and, those who can do
> neither, spoil."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "onebdjeep" <onebdjeep@c...>
> To: <Joey@d...>; "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> Cc: <martinida@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 11 January, 2003 10:39
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Snorkel?
>
>
> > y'all bring up good points... i wouldn't mind getting a snorkel. $200
bux
> > tho!! damn! how bout a snorkel for fresh air in the cab? on nights when
my
> > wife makes ham and bean soup i could really use a cab snorkel on the way
> to
> > work. with the top up and doors on and windows zipped... it gets pretty
> > bad!!! even tho i don't have a back window!!! EEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHWWWWWW!!!
> >
> > hehe... anyway!!! how much do snorkels really cost? can someone just
build
> > their own???
> >
> > how about a "build it yourself snorkel" workshop! i'd attend!
> >
> >
> > Sean Speer
> > OneBdJeep (someday!!)
> > '97 TJ with killer mods to come!!!
> > (umm... will drink beer for Jeep parts!!!)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> > To: <Joey@d...>
> > Cc: <martinida@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Snorkel?
> >
> >
> > > Yup, that too.
> > >
> > > On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 08:40 AM, DesertJeep wrote:
> > >
> > > > Best place for air intake is *outside* the engine compartment. Fresh
> > > > cooler air is a good thing.
> > > >
> > > > Joey K
> > > > 93YJ
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: mrwardj <martinida@c...> [mailto:martinida@c...]
> > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:14 AM
> > > >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Snorkel?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Why even put it that high. You would have to be using scuba
yourself
> > > >> to really put it to work. Just relocat the filter inside the
engine
> > > >> compartment. ;) JMO
> > > >>
> > > >> Martin
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Garrison St.Clair"
<gunslinger@m...>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>> Jay,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Here it is installed on a 1992 YJ. If you need under the hood
> > > >> shots, let me
> > > >>> know.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gunslinger
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: <laughingboy3@y...>
> > > >>> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >>> Sent: Saturday, 11 January, 2003 01:16
> > > >>> Subject: [az_vjc] Snorkel?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Does anyone have any pictures of a YJ Wrangler with an ARB
> > > >> snorkel
> > > >>>> setup? I just want to see how it looks to compare. Thanks
> > > >>>> Jay Matthews 92YJ
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
>
>
>
>
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75161 From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...> <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 4:48pm
Subject: Half-fast trip report Lake Pleasant to Crown King 01/12/03
Just got back from Crown King. Great turnout, at the start, I
counted 56 vehicles and I'm sure I didn't get them all. There were
a good number of Cherokees and Grands, a lot of CJs and Wranglers,
both YJ and TJ, including at least 2 Rubicons, a couple of old
broncos, a couple Toys, couple Chevys, a SuperDuty, and others. Let
me be the first to thank Barry from 4 Wheelers for an outstanding
job organizing this large crowd and keeping it moving. We made it
in about 5 1/2 hours, not bad for such a large crowd. The damage
was minimal, one flat tire, one broken tierod, and one broken front
driveline. At least I think that was all, my POS CB was not working
well, so I may have missed hearing of other problems. It seemed
that there were very few stucks or problems and that a good time was
had by all. Not a whole lot of time to stop and take pictures with
such a large group, but we got a few and posted some of them at:
http://community.webshots.com/user/lrobinson5953
Thanks again to Barry for organinzing this.
Lon
75162 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:13pm
Subject: RE: Advise needed please
The impact wrench and a pry bar placed in the right place should do it.
--steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Legge [mailto:scottleggejr@h...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:35 PM
To: steve.j.meyer@c...
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Advise needed please
And you need something to stop the engine from turning over when you re
torque the balancer back on. Its a pain if its an auto. Hell it can be a
pain if its not! Good luck.
Scott Legge
>From: "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...>
>To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Advise needed please
>Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:06:07 -0700
>
>I pulled mine with a harmonic balancer puller I rented from Pep Boys for
>free. An air impact wrench is also handy for removing the nut to get to
>the
>balancer.
>
>--Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@t...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:56 PM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Advise needed please
>
>
> Ok, Here's the deal. I need to change my front main bearing seal. I
>understand I need to only take the harmonic balancer off to get to it. I
>know, also the fan and radiator etc. What tools do I need for the harmonic
>balancer and the actual pulling of the seal? Can I get them at Harbor
>Freight, and how much? I am trying to see if this will be cheaper if I do
>it
>rather than a mechanic. The part is only like 6 bucks.
> Any info is appreciated, as she's starting to leak bad! (97 TJ 4.0L)
> Bill W
> K7ANT a.k.a. "Antman"
> 97 TJ with a few mods.
> Up on the Mogollon Rim in Arizona.
> God and 4 wheelers' country!
>
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75163 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:08pm
Subject: [FS] Skyjacker 7.5" XJ Leaf Springs "NEW"
Price: $350.00
Contact: Theon Wier
Skyjacker 7.5" XJ Leaf Springs, bought with my 8" Rock Ready kit, Paid $400, can not use them they are two little, I need 10" leafs for my project.
Theon Wier
75164 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:25pm
Subject: RE: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
Either that or they just don't know any better ;)
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 3:24 PM
To: James.Towle@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
Hi James,
Here's a different way of looking at it:
The better the leader you are, the more people want you to lead.
Joe West
The more you give, the more people will want.
--James
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75165 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: Clean UP 01-25-03 Important
A clean up is scheduled for the Table Mesa area for this day. We need a
good showing as this area is where the Phx. BLM are building a new RMP. We
need to show them that this area is important to us. All the info is on the
web page please sign up and show up to help. We could plan runs in the area
after the clean up. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx"
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
75166 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
From what I have seen the new 241 Rubicon tcase is taller than the 231
due to the larger and beefier planetary gearset. I have heard the the
swap requires a body lift to fit into an older TJ.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 4:53 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Remember that the new Wranglers also have a brand new transmission, I'll
bet that is the difference.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
OK....sounds good. I didn't realize that you had already found the info
saying it would bolt in....hopefully it will fit in the available space.
Something is making the Rubicon hand a inch or two lower than its
cousins....logically, it would be the tranny or the t-case.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75167 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:29pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Sunday, January 12, 2003
Hello All,
Ed Timmsen lead a trail run Sunday, January 12, 2003 across Unspecified
It was 9am when all of us met at designated spot,Scott gold tj, Joey white yj, Rodger green yj, Ron white cj?,George orange fs cherokee, &; another cj, grey, sorry don't remember thier names, myself white tj. Got going about 9:30 ran a short trail on way to Scopion lost Ron due to broken front main spring, he and George limped back to Rons trailer. The rest of us continued on to trail I was the first to try the w/f got to bouncing eng. died. It was a while till we had it running agian {pinched fuel pump wires above t/c &; floor}. I made it up then Scott then Rodger came walked up made us look bad. Joey got rear bumper hung and had to be straped up the grey cj was open f/r didn't try. Joey left his jeep there and walked the rest of trail with couple in cj. The rest of the trail was uneventful other than a few snags on diffs. We had lunch after comming down the 1st w/f after that Rodger left and a white xj showed up. We went to play on rocks on the west side of the moutain I ended up breaking a front axel and we all called it a day All of us had a good time!!! Ed bgwtjp.
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75168 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:37pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
A body lift would be a small price to pay for that new case
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 6:28 PM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
From what I have seen the new 241 Rubicon tcase is taller than the 231
due to the larger and beefier planetary gearset. I have heard the the
swap requires a body lift to fit into an older TJ.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 4:53 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Remember that the new Wranglers also have a brand new transmission, I'll
bet that is the difference.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
OK....sounds good. I didn't realize that you had already found the info
saying it would bolt in....hopefully it will fit in the available space.
Something is making the Rubicon hand a inch or two lower than its
cousins....logically, it would be the tranny or the t-case.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75169 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:40pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
Scott,
I'm not sure if that would be the case or not. Remember that the non
Rubicon Wranglers are running the same body, frame, and I believe tcase
skid. This would seem to indicate that it will fit without a body lift
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 6:28 PM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
From what I have seen the new 241 Rubicon tcase is taller than the 231
due to the larger and beefier planetary gearset. I have heard the the
swap requires a body lift to fit into an older TJ.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 4:53 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Remember that the new Wranglers also have a brand new transmission, I'll
bet that is the difference.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
OK....sounds good. I didn't realize that you had already found the info
saying it would bolt in....hopefully it will fit in the available space.
Something is making the Rubicon hand a inch or two lower than its
cousins....logically, it would be the tranny or the t-case.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75170 From: george Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:42pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Sunday, January 12, 2003
Not sure what's up with my Cherokee. Runs great on flat land. Going up or down and major hesitation. I could see that with a carb but I have TBI!
Good to meet some new folks and see some old friends.
I'll figure it out eventually.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee
'73 Wagoneer
'93 Grand Cherokee
'00 Wrangler
Avondale Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:29 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Sunday, January 12, 2003
Hello All,
Ed Timmsen lead a trail run Sunday, January 12, 2003 across Unspecified
It was 9am when all of us met at designated spot,Scott gold tj, Joey white yj, Rodger green yj, Ron white cj?,George orange fs cherokee, & another cj, grey, sorry don't remember thier names, myself white tj. Got going about 9:30 ran a short trail on way to Scopion lost Ron due to broken front main spring, he and George limped back to Rons trailer. The rest of us continued on to trail I was the first to try the w/f got to bouncing eng. died. It was a while till we had it running agian {pinched fuel pump wires above t/c & floor}. I made it up then Scott then Rodger came walked up made us look bad. Joey got rear bumper hung and had to be straped up the grey cj was open f/r didn't try. Joey left his jeep there and walked the rest of trail with couple in cj. The rest of the trail was uneventful other than a few snags on diffs. We had lunch after comming down the 1st w/f after that Rodger left and a white xj showed up. We went to play on rocks on the west side of the moutain I ended up breaking a front axel and we all called it a day All of us had a good time!!! Ed bgwtjp.
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
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75171 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...> <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:44pm
Subject: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
Yeah, the plight of the lemmings, evreybody leap at the edge of the
cliff. ROFLMAO
But, good leader know how to deligate. Let the deligating begin. j/k
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Either that or they just don't know any better ;)
>
> LOL
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 3:24 PM
> To: James.Towle@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you
where ?????
>
>
> Hi James,
>
> Here's a different way of looking at it:
>
> The better the leader you are, the more people want you to lead.
>
> Joe West
>
75172 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:57pm
Subject: RE: [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Sunday, January 12, 2003
Ed,
Where did you manage to break the axle? I didn't realize you had broken one.
Thanks for leading the run. I have a few pics posted:
http://members.cox.net/skruize/scorpion/scorpion1.jpg
http://members.cox.net/skruize/scorpion/scorpion2.jpg
http://members.cox.net/skruize/scorpion/scorpion3.jpg
http://members.cox.net/skruize/scorpion/scorpion4.jpg
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:29 AM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Sunday, January 12, 2003
Hello All,
Ed Timmsen lead a trail run Sunday, January 12, 2003 across Unspecified
It was 9am when all of us met at designated spot,Scott gold tj, Joey white yj, Rodger green yj, Ron white cj?,George orange fs cherokee, & another cj, grey, sorry don't remember thier names, myself white tj. Got going about 9:30 ran a short trail on way to Scopion lost Ron due to broken front main spring, he and George limped back to Rons trailer. The rest of us continued on to trail I was the first to try the w/f got to bouncing eng. died. It was a while till we had it running agian {pinched fuel pump wires above t/c & floor}. I made it up then Scott then Rodger came walked up made us look bad. Joey got rear bumper hung and had to be straped up the grey cj was open f/r didn't try. Joey left his jeep there and walked the rest of trail with couple in cj. The rest of the trail was uneventful other than a few snags on diffs. We had lunch after comming down the 1st w/f after that Rodger left and a white xj showed up. We went to play on rocks on the west side of the moutain I ended up breaking a front axel and we all called it a day All of us had a good time!!! Ed bgwtjp.
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
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75173 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 6:01pm
Subject: Someone left a NICE hammer at the Kill Switch technical workshop
If it belongs to you... please let me know so I can get it back to you.
Joe West
75174 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:59pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
Ahh yes, but the Rubicon has a different crossmember that hangs lower
than the other new TJ's. That's where they make the extra room for it.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 6:41 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Scott,
I'm not sure if that would be the case or not. Remember that the non
Rubicon Wranglers are running the same body, frame, and I believe tcase
skid. This would seem to indicate that it will fit without a body lift
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 6:28 PM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
From what I have seen the new 241 Rubicon tcase is taller than the 231
due to the larger and beefier planetary gearset. I have heard the the
swap requires a body lift to fit into an older TJ.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 4:53 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Remember that the new Wranglers also have a brand new transmission, I'll
bet that is the difference.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Lon Robinson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
OK....sounds good. I didn't realize that you had already found the info
saying it would bolt in....hopefully it will fit in the available space.
Something is making the Rubicon hand a inch or two lower than its
cousins....logically, it would be the tranny or the t-case.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Robinson [mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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