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75100 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 7:52pm
Subject: RE: White Tanks on Sun.
I'm going to head out there too.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: george Andrews [mailto:gandre01@msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:51 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
I'll be there. 0900 at Love's truck stop at Miller Road and I-10.
Look for my big orange Jeep
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee
'73 Wagoneer
'93 Grand Cherokee
'00 Wrangler
Avondale Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: jpclub
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:49 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
BIGJP ettrans@msn.com
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75101 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 7:55pm
Subject: [TR] Coves of Saguaro Lake - Sunday, January 12, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Bob Jacques is leading a Coves of Saguaro Lake trail run on Sunday, January 12, 2003.
When: Meet at 8:00 am.... Pull out at 8:15... Done by 10:30
Where: Gate at Butcher Jones.
Rating: 2.5+
Length: 2 hours
CB Channel: 4
A quick trip to The Coves/Rolls area north of Sagurao Lake.
Just a short trip for those who want to be home for the playoffs!! Probably head in at Butcher Jones, run around a cove or two, head north, up the big hill and come out by the rolls play area...
At the Coves of Saguaro Lake, there are at least 4 coves to play in, on, and around. Many hill climbs provide a challenge to all levels of 4-Wheelers and vehicles.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75102 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 7:58pm
Subject: [TR] Coves of Saguaro Lake - Sunday, January 12, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Bob Jacques is leading a Coves of Saguaro Lake trail run on Sunday, January 12, 2003.
When: Meet at 8:00 am.... Pull out at 8:15... Done by 10:30
Where: Gate at Butcher Jones.
Rating: 2.5+
Length: 2 hours
CB Channel: 4
A quick trip to The Coves/Rolls area north of Sagurao Lake.
Just a short trip for those who want to be home for the playoffs!! Probably head in at Butcher Jones, run around a cove or two, head north, up the big hill and come out by the rolls play area...
At the Coves of Saguaro Lake, there are at least 4 coves to play in, on, and around. Many hill climbs provide a challenge to all levels of 4-Wheelers and vehicles.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75103 From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...> <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:01pm
Subject: NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
75104 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:00pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks on Sun.
Not at love's truck stop go to other side of freeway
----- Original Message -----
From: george Andrews
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:57 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
I'll be there. 0900 at Love's truck stop at Miller Road and I-10.
Look for my big orange Jeep
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee
'73 Wagoneer
'93 Grand Cherokee
'00 Wrangler
Avondale Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: jpclub
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:49 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
BIGJP ettrans@msn.com
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75105 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:06pm
Subject: [FS] Hard Top & Full Metal Doors CJ-7
Price: $1300.00 OBO
Contact: jhraya@msn.com
Black Hard Top factory tinted windows excellent condition, full metal white doors great condition.
Mike Raya
NorthWest Tucson
520-531-8014
jhraya@msn.com
Mike Raya
75106 From: Gary R. Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:10pm
Subject: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
Had the same problem with the Loop 101 opening. Only David Withers and myself showed up. I would have been at this one but I had a funeral for a veteran to conduct. I am the Chaplain for the Honor Guard at American Legion Post 29 in Glendale, AZ. Not an excuse, just a reason.
Gary Holmes
katnjeff4 wrote:
This is for all of the people who said they would come out to the event today, and just a little something for the rest to think about.
We (azvjc) had a posting on the web site for a "run" for the loop 202 opening today and a few people signed up to go, I understand that things come up but only ONE family showed up,late but they showed.
I know it sounds like Iam *****ing and I guesss I am but I don't understand.
I myself had my van to haul all of the stuff in, and to put the banner and maps on, so I did not have my jeep. Try telling people that you are with the AZ Virtual Jeep Club and have a big red van behind you, with no jeep insight.
If we can not support a event like this I dont think we should offer to join. But thats just me and my two cents..
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75107 From: mrwardj <martinida@c...> <martinida@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:12pm
Subject: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
I agree there was an important event today. From what I saw of the
technical workshop at Joe West's house it was a great success. Plus
Joe showed me how to rip apart my dash and pull that ABS light out.
Thanks, thanks and more thanks to Joe West.
Martin
ps - The 202 opened?
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Sandee,
>
> I fully agree with your comment of:
>
> "it should have been supported by the majority or not done at all"
>
> That was not the case. I saw no majority support (or a discussion
> indicating it) and it was done anyway. Why? I have no idea. I
wasn't
> involved so I can't speak for those that were.
>
> The last one of these "park on the freeway" events I remember
reading
> about, the "trip report" if you would, went something like this
(and if
> it did not, then this is still what I thought happened):
>
> "Ten Jeeps showed up and we parked on the new section of the
freeway.
> We had the club banner strung between two Jeeps and lots of people
came
> by and some asked questions about the Jeeps and our club. We had a
good
> time."
>
> Here is THE description of the event, as listed on the VJC web site:
>
> "ADOT has asked the VJC to do another static display on the freeway
> opening. There is FREE food and fun stuff for kids too". The rest
of
> the web site info about it tells you times, location, info about
vendors
> and tables, etc.
>
> I am NOT going to give up my Saturday to go do THAT.
>
> BUT.....If someone had called or told me that today's "park on the
> freeway" event was a more high profile event....that the land
management
> agencies had put some responsibility on us to pass out literature, I
> would have come down. Heck, I would have sold STL permits if that
were
> legal for me to do. I could have easily fit it into my morning's
> schedule.
>
> Now you see my take on why I did not come to today's event.....and I
> trust you see why I took objection to the comment you initially
made.
>
> Stu
>
> p.s. My response here is NOT meant to assign any blame, point
fingers,
> etc. It would seem that an important club event was held and very
damn
> few of the members knew that it was important (correct me if I am
> wrong). If so, then I hope we have all learned something from this
> thread.
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 6:45 PM
> To: Stu Olson; katnjeff4@i...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
>
> My point was simply to let the organizers know the mass numbers that
> were
> not behind this event........ this is beginning to look like our
Land
> Use
> meetings a year or so ago.......... everyone puts the
responsibility
> off on
> someone else. Much rather go 'wheel'n'...........
>
> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree Stu because I feel as a
group,
> the
> decision to participate in this wasn't the decision of one or
> two.........
> it should have been supported by the majority or not done at all.
A no
> show
> like this looks bad on all of us but especially on those that made
the
> connection and commitment to the hwy dept or organizers of the
> opening..............
>
> I truly feel the frustration from those that went through the time,
> effort
> and work to organize this to have it fall flat..... I also know
their
> frustration standing out there with no jeep or fellow
supporters.......
> Do
> you truly think the agencies will make any special time or take any
> efforts
> or give us FREE maps to help out at future events when it's obvious
not
> many
> care? I doubt it......... I know I won't use my "in" to get costly
> maps
> and information and then have them actually deliver the stuff in
> person...............
>
> I realize there are a few that had reasons or prior committments
that
> they
> were tied to for this day but how many?........ I cannot believe
there
> were
> not enough of us to support two events............... can't tell me
> there
> were 100 VJC on FR42! Couln't get 10-15 jeeps to the opening?.....
>
> S.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:32 PM
> > To: 'Sandee McCullen'; katnjeff4@i...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Loop 202 opened today..... And you
where ?????
> >
> >
> > Sandee, this is one time I have to say I do not fully agree with
you.
> >
> > If someone wishes to organize this type of event, why should I
step up
> > to the plate and tell them I won't support it. Why would I want
to
> tell
> > someone else that they can not do something that they wish to do,
(you
> > said they organized it and the web site shows that a number of
people
> > signed up for the event), just because I am not going to be there
to
> > support it?
> >
> > I will agree with you that this event would certainly carry more
> > importance than say, a scheduled run on FR42. You said " There
were a
> > number of VJC members that took a lot of time and effort to put
this
> > together". I applaud their efforts for doing so. But please,
don't
> > drop this on me or anyone else who DIDN'T commit to participate
at the
> > event, that just isn't right.
> >
> > For important events such as this, it would seem that more up
front
> > planning (and commitment) needs to be done. If it is that
important,
> > talk it up a bunch, like we do the LU meetings that some of us
feel
> are
> > important. Posting a "run", like this event, in the trip section
of
> the
> > web site, seems to come up short for rallying the necessary
support to
> > pull something like this off.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 4:54 PM
> > To: katnjeff4@i...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Loop 202 opened today..... And you
where ?????
> >
> > I'll kudos this............... I contacted the agencies and they
took
> > time
> > and special efforts to get us flyers, maps and information to hand
> out.
> > They also made a special personal trip to DELIVER the products. I
> would
> > have been there selling State Land Permits had I not had a
previously
> > scheduled meeting.........
> >
> > There were a number of VJC members that took a lot of time and
effort
> to
> > put
> > this together........... we ALL need to show our respect and
support
> of
> > our
> > own.........
> >
> > As stated below,............ if it was felt we didn't want to
support
> > this
> > event y'all need to step up and say "NO"....... don't leave a few
> > standing
> > around with "egg" on their faces. It reflects on all of us.
> >
> > S.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: katnjeff4 <katnjeff4@i...> [mailto:katnjeff4@i...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:15 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
> > >
> > >
> > > This is for all of the people who said they would come out to
the
> > > event today, and just a little something for the rest to think
> about.
> > > We (azvjc) had a posting on the web site for a "run" for the
loop
> 202
> > > opening today and a few people signed up to go, I understand
that
> > > things come up but only ONE family showed up,late but they
showed.
> > > I know it sounds like Iam *****ing and I guesss I am but I don't
> > > understand.
> > > I myself had my van to haul all of the stuff in, and to put the
> > > banner and maps on, so I did not have my jeep. Try telling
people
> > > that you are with the AZ Virtual Jeep Club and have a big red
van
> > > behind you, with no jeep insight.
> > > If we can not support a event like this I dont think we should
offer
> > > to join. But thats just me and my two cents..
> > > Thanks goes out to the ones who did show.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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> >
> >
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75108 From: Jay <jay@j...> <jay@j...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:13pm
Subject: Re: Big Thanks to Joe. W.
I'll second that, and add thanks to everyone who was there. Helping hands were always nearby when the standard issue two just weren't enough :).
Jay
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kyle <cj8rockcrawler@c...>" <cj8rockcrawler@c...> wrote:
> I just wanted to say thanks again for all your work and letting us
> park our Jeeps all over your yard at the hood lock tech session
> today. Your technical expertise was much appreciated. It was great
> seeing some of you again and meeting some new people as well.
>
> Joe... Hope I wasn't crawling around under your Jeep too much...
> btw.. if that fancy new NV4500 goes missing... it wasn't me!!! ;)
> Definitely looks like 4Wheeler's did a great job on the install.
>
> Take care,
>
> Kyle
75109 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:59pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75110 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:04pm
Subject: Re: Big Thanks to Joe. W.
I will echo Brad's sentiments. Thanks Joe! Oh and tell your wife thanks for
putting up with all of us in your yard all day :)
-Mike Hoyt
----- Original Message -----
From: "BradP Kilgore" <brad.kilgore@p...>
To: <arizonajeep@c...>; <cj8rockcrawler@c...>;
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Big Thanks to Joe. W.
> Hey Joe,
>
> You wouldn't be pointing at me for being different would you....<grin> I
can't help it, I'm anal that way. <big grin>
>
> I have to second Kyle though, it was a lot of fun, I appreciate you
holding the clinc. You organized everything great, we all kept busy and
were able to help each other. It was great to meet some new people and see
some I haven't seen in awhile. Can't wait to do it again.
>
> Hopfully some will make it out for the Crown King run tomorrow.
>
> Have a great weekend, and thanks again.
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Sat 1/11/2003 7:52 PM
> To: cj8rockcrawler@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Cc:
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Big Thanks to Joe. W.
>
>
>
> Hi Kyle,
>
> Thanks for the kind words although I suspect that I actually enjoy these
> things more than the people who are doing the work on their Jeeps... I
think
> I enjoy watching people do all the work while I just stand around and play
> supervisor <grin>
>
> Speaking of nice... your CJ8 makes me drool; It was the vehicle I was
> looking for before I purchased my TJ but finding a really nice one was
> extremely difficult when I was looking.
>
> I was extremely pleased that everyone's kill switch worked the first time
> and there were no problems other than the fine adjustments to the
mechanical
> locking mechanism. Some people just *had* to be different and try a new
> way of installing the locking latch... ? <grin>
>
> Oh... I forgot; we did have one starter kill that stopped working... that
is
> until they remembered to connect the battery! :O
>
> Thanks again everyone for a great day!
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kyle <cj8rockcrawler@c...> [mailto:cj8rockcrawler@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 7:16 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Big Thanks to Joe. W.
>
> I just wanted to say thanks again for all your work and letting us
> park our Jeeps all over your yard at the hood lock tech session
> today. Your technical expertise was much appreciated. It was great
> seeing some of you again and meeting some new people as well.
>
> Joe... Hope I wasn't crawling around under your Jeep too much...
> btw.. if that fancy new NV4500 goes missing... it wasn't me!!! ;)
> Definitely looks like 4Wheeler's did a great job on the install.
>
> Take care,
>
> Kyle
>
>
>
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>
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75111 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:06pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75112 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:07pm
Subject: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
This thing posted up something like the "DOT would like us to show up...free
food...yada yada yada..." If any of these events are really important...I
guess we need to stress it more. Sorry Katrina and Bill (I had kids soccer
games).
Frank
>From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" <bill@j...>
>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>,<katnjeff4@i...>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
>Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:46:48 -0700
>
>We showed up and were also disappointed that there were no other members at
>the event. It was pretty sad looking, actually. Katrina and her (sick) 4-
>year-old daughter were the only ones there and I think we should all thank
>them not only for showing up at 7:00 AM to set everything up, but also for
>staying until noon. It's my understanding they agreed to help out and ended
>up being the ones forced to run the show. We (my wife, my son and I)
>brought
>our Jeep expecting to see a line of Jeeps to park next to and all AZVJC had
>was a table and Katrina's van. All morning people asked where the Jeeps
>were. We were all set to be there on time to park next to the table but in
>my morning stupor (I'm not a morning person) I thought I accidentally left
>my expensive camera equipment in the driveway and had to drive back home to
>make sure. We ended up being too late to drive onto the exhibit area.
>
>On the upside, Katrina, my wife and I spoke with lots of people (this event
>was VERY well attended - watch the news tonight) and even though most
>didn't
>have Jeeps, I think we at least got across the fact that this is a fun
>FAMILY hobby, as well as our group's credo of enjoying it responsibly.
>
>BTW, sorry to Joe and the rest of the members at the kill switch clinic - I
>was supposed to stop by and help there. We didn't want to leave Katrina and
>her daughter alone at the freeway opening and felt we could be of better
>use
>there.
>
>ALSO, we really need some kind of business card or brochure or something to
>hand out. So many people wanted our website address and we had to write it
>down on misc. paper for them. Is anyone on the group a printer that could
>donate some inexpensive yet professional looking cards/brochures?
>
>Lastly, we got to meet Governor Napolitano, who asked what our Jeep club
>was
>all about. I told her it was about Arizonans enjoying our backyard
>responsibly.
>
>Soooo, next freeway opening (which should be later this year - the 101 to
>I10 connection in Chandler) I suggest we need to have some serious
>commitments from people to show up and we need to provide some kind of
>group
>handout. As far as vehicle display, it would be great to have not only some
>neato modified Jeeps but also some less modified/stock Jeeps so we appeal
>to
>as many people as possible.
>
>---------------
>Bill Hooven
>Jeeps Only
>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
>---------------------------------------------------------
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <katnjeff4@i...>
>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:15 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
>
>
> > This is for all of the people who said they would come out to the
> > event today, and just a little something for the rest to think about.
> > We (azvjc) had a posting on the web site for a "run" for the loop 202
> > opening today and a few people signed up to go, I understand that
> > things come up but only ONE family showed up,late but they showed.
> > I know it sounds like Iam *****ing and I guesss I am but I don't
> > understand.
> > I myself had my van to haul all of the stuff in, and to put the
> > banner and maps on, so I did not have my jeep. Try telling people
> > that you are with the AZ Virtual Jeep Club and have a big red van
> > behind you, with no jeep insight.
> > If we can not support a event like this I dont think we should offer
> > to join. But thats just me and my two cents..
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Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:26pm
Subject: OT Virus
My server sent me this. Hope everyone on here didn't get it.
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Up on the Mogollon Rim in Arizona.
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75114 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:29pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Monday, July 21, 2003
Hello All,
John Halverson is leading an Unspecified trail run on Monday, July 21, 2003.
When: 07/21/2003
Where: Rubicon Trail
Rating: None
Length: 6 days
CB Channel: 4
Leaving Phoenix on Monday morning, this will be the 2nd year we have done this trip so I suppose I can call it the AZVJC 2nd anniversary Rubicon run. If you have not done the Rubicon, and you consider yourself a 4wheeler/rock crawler, then you have been missing out.
1 and 1/2 days travel to Georgetown, 3 days on the trail, and 1 and 1/2 days home, the Rubicon is an, in your face, never give you a break, man is this fun, let's do it again, trail from start to finish. Last year, literally within 1 minute of leaving camp at Rubicon Springs, I had lifted a front tire so high ( because I hadn't even gotten to the road from camp yet) that I had to back out or go over. And I was still drinking coffee with one hand. Please do a Google search and check this out. I intend to do this trip every summer for the forseeable future, it is that good.
John
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Thank You,
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75115 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:26pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks on Sun.
Definitely need lockers f&r but come out with us some others not doing trail. We will be doing something else after I'm sure.
----- Original Message -----
From: blooddrive1
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:16 PM
To: Edward Timmsen
Subject: Re: White Tanks on Sun.
What type of vehicle is needed for Scorpion? I have an '84 CJ7 open
front and rear w/ 33"s..
-Mark
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Timmsen" wrote:
> Not at love's truck stop go to other side of freeway
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: george Andrews
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:57 PM
> To: AzVJC Website
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
> I'll be there. 0900 at Love's truck stop at Miller Road and I-10.
>
> Look for my big orange Jeep
>
> George Andrews
> '83 Cherokee
> '73 Wagoneer
> '93 Grand Cherokee
> '00 Wrangler
> Avondale Arizona
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edward Timmsen
> To: jpclub
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:49 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
> Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at
Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
>
> BIGJP ettrans@m...
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75116 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:40pm
Subject: Re: NV 241 Transfer case
Are you positive you are talking about NVG241OR or are you talking about NV241 that has been around for years
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:16 PM
To: lrobinson@commspeed.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953
[mailto:lrobinson@commspeed.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75117 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:48pm
Subject: RE: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
I think we need to turn this into a learning experience instead of
pointing fingers and making reasons or excuses.
Yes this was not discussed a lot but there was a reminder sent several
times.
Yes it was not advertised as being fun and exciting or more importantly
rewarding and educational (for the public).
Solo maybe public meetings or showings of this kind need to be brought
to a vote or discussion to get a feeling if there is enough interest and
benefit.
I should also emphasize that signing up for runs, meeting or whatever is
a good thing. Signing up then not showing up is a bad thing.
Joey K
93YJ
75118 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:56pm
Subject: Advise needed please
Ok, Here's the deal. I need to change my front main bearing seal. I understand I need to only take the harmonic balancer off to get to it. I know, also the fan and radiator etc. What tools do I need for the harmonic balancer and the actual pulling of the seal? Can I get them at Harbor Freight, and how much? I am trying to see if this will be cheaper if I do it rather than a mechanic. The part is only like 6 bucks.
Any info is appreciated, as she's starting to leak bad! (97 TJ 4.0L)
Bill W
K7ANT a.k.a. "Antman"
97 TJ with a few mods.
Up on the Mogollon Rim in Arizona.
God and 4 wheelers' country!
75119 From: Nick N <nnote@d...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 10:29pm
Subject: Re: [despammed] What's wrong with an Ox?
I have the first Ox for the YJ realesed to public in my Jeep. This is the
ox BEFORE any changes were made etc... I am still DAMN happy with it and it
performs flawlesslly. This is what....3 years later now? I love it and
want one for my rear axle now.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
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To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:24 AM
Subject: [despammed] [az_vjc] What's wrong with an Ox?
>
> Is there something wrong with having an Ox locker? I have seen
> people have them on their Jeeps and they like them just fine,
> usually better than ARB. But one person said they had bad reviews,
> what is this all about? What about them makes an Ox locker so
> terrible? Really, I'm just trying to make my Jeep for on and off
> road use. I want it to be "trail ready" when I want it to be, and a
> rear Ox trac seems like a good deal. But, I have not heard anything
> but positive inputs. Give me all the negative you got with ARB and
> Ox trac. I just want to know what the best way is to have a locker
> for my rear and maybe my front too and keep it for street and off
> road. Thanks for your help.
> Jay Matthews 92YJ
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75120 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 10:31pm
Subject: [FS] 31x10.50.15's for sale
Price: 300.00
Contact: Brian Garneau
set of 4 big o MT 31x10.50x15 MT's.
about 5k on em
Bryan Garneau
75121 From: Nick <NickG@4...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:41pm
Subject: Sycamore Creek Clean up
As you all know, this weekend and next is the treeburn at Sycanire Creek... I wanted to propose a clean up out there to just go over the wash and dispose of all the left over debris. There has been talk about this area being closed down, and I went down there tonight and the was a LOT of BLM.... Sure would suck to see them use the tree burn, and its reminens against us.... Would anyone be interested in bringing a couple trailors out there not this weekend but next... Saturday the 25th? let me know.. id like to organize this.
75122 From: Nick <NickG@4...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:42pm
Subject: Re: X_mas Tree Burn
They even blocked 3 back ways I know of. It was closed down before 8pm! Still had fun drivin around in the upper wash..
Nick Gasmena
----- Original Message -----
From: enb4w
To: 'AzVJC'
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:43 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] X_mas Tree Burn
For those of you heading to the Christmas tree burn I have some info for you. The Sheriffs Department has signs up stating no fires in Sycamore and further more there were around 25 Sheriffs Department vehicles at the main entrance.
Good Luck!!!!!
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75123 From: Nick <NickG@4...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:44pm
Subject: Re: Sycamore Creek Clean up
Sycamore - Sycanire... same difference!
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:41 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Sycamore Creek Clean up
As you all know, this weekend and next is the treeburn at Sycanire Creek... I wanted to propose a clean up out there to just go over the wash and dispose of all the left over debris. There has been talk about this area being closed down, and I went down there tonight and the was a LOT of BLM.... Sure would suck to see them use the tree burn, and its reminens against us.... Would anyone be interested in bringing a couple trailors out there not this weekend but next... Saturday the 25th? let me know.. id like to organize this.
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75124 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 4:06am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Sunday, January 12, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Ed Timmsen is leading an Unspecified trail run on Sunday, January 12, 2003.
When: 9am
Where: I-10+Miller, about 2 miles past Jackrabitt road, the next exit. just north of I-10
Rating: None
Length: 2-3 hours
CB Channel: 4
Scorpion trail
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75100 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 7:52pm
Subject: RE: White Tanks on Sun.
I'm going to head out there too.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: george Andrews [mailto:gandre01@msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:51 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
I'll be there. 0900 at Love's truck stop at Miller Road and I-10.
Look for my big orange Jeep
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee
'73 Wagoneer
'93 Grand Cherokee
'00 Wrangler
Avondale Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: jpclub
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:49 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
BIGJP ettrans@msn.com
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75101 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 7:55pm
Subject: [TR] Coves of Saguaro Lake - Sunday, January 12, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Bob Jacques is leading a Coves of Saguaro Lake trail run on Sunday, January 12, 2003.
When: Meet at 8:00 am.... Pull out at 8:15... Done by 10:30
Where: Gate at Butcher Jones.
Rating: 2.5+
Length: 2 hours
CB Channel: 4
A quick trip to The Coves/Rolls area north of Sagurao Lake.
Just a short trip for those who want to be home for the playoffs!! Probably head in at Butcher Jones, run around a cove or two, head north, up the big hill and come out by the rolls play area...
At the Coves of Saguaro Lake, there are at least 4 coves to play in, on, and around. Many hill climbs provide a challenge to all levels of 4-Wheelers and vehicles.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75102 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 7:58pm
Subject: [TR] Coves of Saguaro Lake - Sunday, January 12, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Bob Jacques is leading a Coves of Saguaro Lake trail run on Sunday, January 12, 2003.
When: Meet at 8:00 am.... Pull out at 8:15... Done by 10:30
Where: Gate at Butcher Jones.
Rating: 2.5+
Length: 2 hours
CB Channel: 4
A quick trip to The Coves/Rolls area north of Sagurao Lake.
Just a short trip for those who want to be home for the playoffs!! Probably head in at Butcher Jones, run around a cove or two, head north, up the big hill and come out by the rolls play area...
At the Coves of Saguaro Lake, there are at least 4 coves to play in, on, and around. Many hill climbs provide a challenge to all levels of 4-Wheelers and vehicles.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
75103 From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...> <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:01pm
Subject: NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
75104 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:00pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks on Sun.
Not at love's truck stop go to other side of freeway
----- Original Message -----
From: george Andrews
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:57 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
I'll be there. 0900 at Love's truck stop at Miller Road and I-10.
Look for my big orange Jeep
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee
'73 Wagoneer
'93 Grand Cherokee
'00 Wrangler
Avondale Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: jpclub
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:49 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
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75105 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:06pm
Subject: [FS] Hard Top & Full Metal Doors CJ-7
Price: $1300.00 OBO
Contact: jhraya@msn.com
Black Hard Top factory tinted windows excellent condition, full metal white doors great condition.
Mike Raya
NorthWest Tucson
520-531-8014
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75106 From: Gary R. Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:10pm
Subject: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
Had the same problem with the Loop 101 opening. Only David Withers and myself showed up. I would have been at this one but I had a funeral for a veteran to conduct. I am the Chaplain for the Honor Guard at American Legion Post 29 in Glendale, AZ. Not an excuse, just a reason.
Gary Holmes
katnjeff4 wrote:
This is for all of the people who said they would come out to the event today, and just a little something for the rest to think about.
We (azvjc) had a posting on the web site for a "run" for the loop 202 opening today and a few people signed up to go, I understand that things come up but only ONE family showed up,late but they showed.
I know it sounds like Iam *****ing and I guesss I am but I don't understand.
I myself had my van to haul all of the stuff in, and to put the banner and maps on, so I did not have my jeep. Try telling people that you are with the AZ Virtual Jeep Club and have a big red van behind you, with no jeep insight.
If we can not support a event like this I dont think we should offer to join. But thats just me and my two cents..
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75107 From: mrwardj <martinida@c...> <martinida@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:12pm
Subject: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
I agree there was an important event today. From what I saw of the
technical workshop at Joe West's house it was a great success. Plus
Joe showed me how to rip apart my dash and pull that ABS light out.
Thanks, thanks and more thanks to Joe West.
Martin
ps - The 202 opened?
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Sandee,
>
> I fully agree with your comment of:
>
> "it should have been supported by the majority or not done at all"
>
> That was not the case. I saw no majority support (or a discussion
> indicating it) and it was done anyway. Why? I have no idea. I
wasn't
> involved so I can't speak for those that were.
>
> The last one of these "park on the freeway" events I remember
reading
> about, the "trip report" if you would, went something like this
(and if
> it did not, then this is still what I thought happened):
>
> "Ten Jeeps showed up and we parked on the new section of the
freeway.
> We had the club banner strung between two Jeeps and lots of people
came
> by and some asked questions about the Jeeps and our club. We had a
good
> time."
>
> Here is THE description of the event, as listed on the VJC web site:
>
> "ADOT has asked the VJC to do another static display on the freeway
> opening. There is FREE food and fun stuff for kids too". The rest
of
> the web site info about it tells you times, location, info about
vendors
> and tables, etc.
>
> I am NOT going to give up my Saturday to go do THAT.
>
> BUT.....If someone had called or told me that today's "park on the
> freeway" event was a more high profile event....that the land
management
> agencies had put some responsibility on us to pass out literature, I
> would have come down. Heck, I would have sold STL permits if that
were
> legal for me to do. I could have easily fit it into my morning's
> schedule.
>
> Now you see my take on why I did not come to today's event.....and I
> trust you see why I took objection to the comment you initially
made.
>
> Stu
>
> p.s. My response here is NOT meant to assign any blame, point
fingers,
> etc. It would seem that an important club event was held and very
damn
> few of the members knew that it was important (correct me if I am
> wrong). If so, then I hope we have all learned something from this
> thread.
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 6:45 PM
> To: Stu Olson; katnjeff4@i...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
>
> My point was simply to let the organizers know the mass numbers that
> were
> not behind this event........ this is beginning to look like our
Land
> Use
> meetings a year or so ago.......... everyone puts the
responsibility
> off on
> someone else. Much rather go 'wheel'n'...........
>
> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree Stu because I feel as a
group,
> the
> decision to participate in this wasn't the decision of one or
> two.........
> it should have been supported by the majority or not done at all.
A no
> show
> like this looks bad on all of us but especially on those that made
the
> connection and commitment to the hwy dept or organizers of the
> opening..............
>
> I truly feel the frustration from those that went through the time,
> effort
> and work to organize this to have it fall flat..... I also know
their
> frustration standing out there with no jeep or fellow
supporters.......
> Do
> you truly think the agencies will make any special time or take any
> efforts
> or give us FREE maps to help out at future events when it's obvious
not
> many
> care? I doubt it......... I know I won't use my "in" to get costly
> maps
> and information and then have them actually deliver the stuff in
> person...............
>
> I realize there are a few that had reasons or prior committments
that
> they
> were tied to for this day but how many?........ I cannot believe
there
> were
> not enough of us to support two events............... can't tell me
> there
> were 100 VJC on FR42! Couln't get 10-15 jeeps to the opening?.....
>
> S.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:32 PM
> > To: 'Sandee McCullen'; katnjeff4@i...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Loop 202 opened today..... And you
where ?????
> >
> >
> > Sandee, this is one time I have to say I do not fully agree with
you.
> >
> > If someone wishes to organize this type of event, why should I
step up
> > to the plate and tell them I won't support it. Why would I want
to
> tell
> > someone else that they can not do something that they wish to do,
(you
> > said they organized it and the web site shows that a number of
people
> > signed up for the event), just because I am not going to be there
to
> > support it?
> >
> > I will agree with you that this event would certainly carry more
> > importance than say, a scheduled run on FR42. You said " There
were a
> > number of VJC members that took a lot of time and effort to put
this
> > together". I applaud their efforts for doing so. But please,
don't
> > drop this on me or anyone else who DIDN'T commit to participate
at the
> > event, that just isn't right.
> >
> > For important events such as this, it would seem that more up
front
> > planning (and commitment) needs to be done. If it is that
important,
> > talk it up a bunch, like we do the LU meetings that some of us
feel
> are
> > important. Posting a "run", like this event, in the trip section
of
> the
> > web site, seems to come up short for rallying the necessary
support to
> > pull something like this off.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 4:54 PM
> > To: katnjeff4@i...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Loop 202 opened today..... And you
where ?????
> >
> > I'll kudos this............... I contacted the agencies and they
took
> > time
> > and special efforts to get us flyers, maps and information to hand
> out.
> > They also made a special personal trip to DELIVER the products. I
> would
> > have been there selling State Land Permits had I not had a
previously
> > scheduled meeting.........
> >
> > There were a number of VJC members that took a lot of time and
effort
> to
> > put
> > this together........... we ALL need to show our respect and
support
> of
> > our
> > own.........
> >
> > As stated below,............ if it was felt we didn't want to
support
> > this
> > event y'all need to step up and say "NO"....... don't leave a few
> > standing
> > around with "egg" on their faces. It reflects on all of us.
> >
> > S.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: katnjeff4 <katnjeff4@i...> [mailto:katnjeff4@i...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:15 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
> > >
> > >
> > > This is for all of the people who said they would come out to
the
> > > event today, and just a little something for the rest to think
> about.
> > > We (azvjc) had a posting on the web site for a "run" for the
loop
> 202
> > > opening today and a few people signed up to go, I understand
that
> > > things come up but only ONE family showed up,late but they
showed.
> > > I know it sounds like Iam *****ing and I guesss I am but I don't
> > > understand.
> > > I myself had my van to haul all of the stuff in, and to put the
> > > banner and maps on, so I did not have my jeep. Try telling
people
> > > that you are with the AZ Virtual Jeep Club and have a big red
van
> > > behind you, with no jeep insight.
> > > If we can not support a event like this I dont think we should
offer
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75108 From: Jay <jay@j...> <jay@j...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:13pm
Subject: Re: Big Thanks to Joe. W.
I'll second that, and add thanks to everyone who was there. Helping hands were always nearby when the standard issue two just weren't enough :).
Jay
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kyle <cj8rockcrawler@c...>" <cj8rockcrawler@c...> wrote:
> I just wanted to say thanks again for all your work and letting us
> park our Jeeps all over your yard at the hood lock tech session
> today. Your technical expertise was much appreciated. It was great
> seeing some of you again and meeting some new people as well.
>
> Joe... Hope I wasn't crawling around under your Jeep too much...
> btw.. if that fancy new NV4500 goes missing... it wasn't me!!! ;)
> Definitely looks like 4Wheeler's did a great job on the install.
>
> Take care,
>
> Kyle
75109 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:59pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75110 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:04pm
Subject: Re: Big Thanks to Joe. W.
I will echo Brad's sentiments. Thanks Joe! Oh and tell your wife thanks for
putting up with all of us in your yard all day :)
-Mike Hoyt
----- Original Message -----
From: "BradP Kilgore" <brad.kilgore@p...>
To: <arizonajeep@c...>; <cj8rockcrawler@c...>;
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Big Thanks to Joe. W.
> Hey Joe,
>
> You wouldn't be pointing at me for being different would you....<grin> I
can't help it, I'm anal that way. <big grin>
>
> I have to second Kyle though, it was a lot of fun, I appreciate you
holding the clinc. You organized everything great, we all kept busy and
were able to help each other. It was great to meet some new people and see
some I haven't seen in awhile. Can't wait to do it again.
>
> Hopfully some will make it out for the Crown King run tomorrow.
>
> Have a great weekend, and thanks again.
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Sat 1/11/2003 7:52 PM
> To: cj8rockcrawler@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Cc:
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Big Thanks to Joe. W.
>
>
>
> Hi Kyle,
>
> Thanks for the kind words although I suspect that I actually enjoy these
> things more than the people who are doing the work on their Jeeps... I
think
> I enjoy watching people do all the work while I just stand around and play
> supervisor <grin>
>
> Speaking of nice... your CJ8 makes me drool; It was the vehicle I was
> looking for before I purchased my TJ but finding a really nice one was
> extremely difficult when I was looking.
>
> I was extremely pleased that everyone's kill switch worked the first time
> and there were no problems other than the fine adjustments to the
mechanical
> locking mechanism. Some people just *had* to be different and try a new
> way of installing the locking latch... ? <grin>
>
> Oh... I forgot; we did have one starter kill that stopped working... that
is
> until they remembered to connect the battery! :O
>
> Thanks again everyone for a great day!
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kyle <cj8rockcrawler@c...> [mailto:cj8rockcrawler@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 7:16 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Big Thanks to Joe. W.
>
> I just wanted to say thanks again for all your work and letting us
> park our Jeeps all over your yard at the hood lock tech session
> today. Your technical expertise was much appreciated. It was great
> seeing some of you again and meeting some new people as well.
>
> Joe... Hope I wasn't crawling around under your Jeep too much...
> btw.. if that fancy new NV4500 goes missing... it wasn't me!!! ;)
> Definitely looks like 4Wheeler's did a great job on the install.
>
> Take care,
>
> Kyle
>
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75111 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:06pm
Subject: RE: NV 241 Transfer case
I'm not so sure, the following is a cut and paste from the
rockcrawler.com website:
Paso Robles, CA - The following new products are now available from
Advance Adapters.
NV2410R Rock-TracNV2410R Rock-Trac Transfer Case
Advance Adapters Inc. now carries the NV241OR, or "Rock-Trac" found in
the new Jeep Rubicon. This chain-driven transfer case sports a rugged
low-range planetary design and a fixed rear yoke. It is designed as a
bolt-in replacement for 23 spline NP231J cases as well as for new
conversions!
Depending on the price of the unit, this would appear to be a great
upgrade for an earlier TJ.
Lon
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:59 PM
To: lrobinson@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953 <lrobinson@c...>
[mailto:lrobinson@c...]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75112 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:07pm
Subject: Re: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
This thing posted up something like the "DOT would like us to show up...free
food...yada yada yada..." If any of these events are really important...I
guess we need to stress it more. Sorry Katrina and Bill (I had kids soccer
games).
Frank
>From: "Bill - Jeeps Only" <bill@j...>
>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>,<katnjeff4@i...>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
>Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:46:48 -0700
>
>We showed up and were also disappointed that there were no other members at
>the event. It was pretty sad looking, actually. Katrina and her (sick) 4-
>year-old daughter were the only ones there and I think we should all thank
>them not only for showing up at 7:00 AM to set everything up, but also for
>staying until noon. It's my understanding they agreed to help out and ended
>up being the ones forced to run the show. We (my wife, my son and I)
>brought
>our Jeep expecting to see a line of Jeeps to park next to and all AZVJC had
>was a table and Katrina's van. All morning people asked where the Jeeps
>were. We were all set to be there on time to park next to the table but in
>my morning stupor (I'm not a morning person) I thought I accidentally left
>my expensive camera equipment in the driveway and had to drive back home to
>make sure. We ended up being too late to drive onto the exhibit area.
>
>On the upside, Katrina, my wife and I spoke with lots of people (this event
>was VERY well attended - watch the news tonight) and even though most
>didn't
>have Jeeps, I think we at least got across the fact that this is a fun
>FAMILY hobby, as well as our group's credo of enjoying it responsibly.
>
>BTW, sorry to Joe and the rest of the members at the kill switch clinic - I
>was supposed to stop by and help there. We didn't want to leave Katrina and
>her daughter alone at the freeway opening and felt we could be of better
>use
>there.
>
>ALSO, we really need some kind of business card or brochure or something to
>hand out. So many people wanted our website address and we had to write it
>down on misc. paper for them. Is anyone on the group a printer that could
>donate some inexpensive yet professional looking cards/brochures?
>
>Lastly, we got to meet Governor Napolitano, who asked what our Jeep club
>was
>all about. I told her it was about Arizonans enjoying our backyard
>responsibly.
>
>Soooo, next freeway opening (which should be later this year - the 101 to
>I10 connection in Chandler) I suggest we need to have some serious
>commitments from people to show up and we need to provide some kind of
>group
>handout. As far as vehicle display, it would be great to have not only some
>neato modified Jeeps but also some less modified/stock Jeeps so we appeal
>to
>as many people as possible.
>
>---------------
>Bill Hooven
>Jeeps Only
>http://www.jeepsonly.com
>A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
>---------------------------------------------------------
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <katnjeff4@i...>
>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:15 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
>
>
> > This is for all of the people who said they would come out to the
> > event today, and just a little something for the rest to think about.
> > We (azvjc) had a posting on the web site for a "run" for the loop 202
> > opening today and a few people signed up to go, I understand that
> > things come up but only ONE family showed up,late but they showed.
> > I know it sounds like Iam *****ing and I guesss I am but I don't
> > understand.
> > I myself had my van to haul all of the stuff in, and to put the
> > banner and maps on, so I did not have my jeep. Try telling people
> > that you are with the AZ Virtual Jeep Club and have a big red van
> > behind you, with no jeep insight.
> > If we can not support a event like this I dont think we should offer
> > to join. But thats just me and my two cents..
> > Thanks goes out to the ones who did show.
> >
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Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:26pm
Subject: OT Virus
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75114 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:29pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Monday, July 21, 2003
Hello All,
John Halverson is leading an Unspecified trail run on Monday, July 21, 2003.
When: 07/21/2003
Where: Rubicon Trail
Rating: None
Length: 6 days
CB Channel: 4
Leaving Phoenix on Monday morning, this will be the 2nd year we have done this trip so I suppose I can call it the AZVJC 2nd anniversary Rubicon run. If you have not done the Rubicon, and you consider yourself a 4wheeler/rock crawler, then you have been missing out.
1 and 1/2 days travel to Georgetown, 3 days on the trail, and 1 and 1/2 days home, the Rubicon is an, in your face, never give you a break, man is this fun, let's do it again, trail from start to finish. Last year, literally within 1 minute of leaving camp at Rubicon Springs, I had lifted a front tire so high ( because I hadn't even gotten to the road from camp yet) that I had to back out or go over. And I was still drinking coffee with one hand. Please do a Google search and check this out. I intend to do this trip every summer for the forseeable future, it is that good.
John
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75115 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:26pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks on Sun.
Definitely need lockers f&r but come out with us some others not doing trail. We will be doing something else after I'm sure.
----- Original Message -----
From: blooddrive1
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:16 PM
To: Edward Timmsen
Subject: Re: White Tanks on Sun.
What type of vehicle is needed for Scorpion? I have an '84 CJ7 open
front and rear w/ 33"s..
-Mark
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Timmsen" wrote:
> Not at love's truck stop go to other side of freeway
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: george Andrews
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:57 PM
> To: AzVJC Website
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
> I'll be there. 0900 at Love's truck stop at Miller Road and I-10.
>
> Look for my big orange Jeep
>
> George Andrews
> '83 Cherokee
> '73 Wagoneer
> '93 Grand Cherokee
> '00 Wrangler
> Avondale Arizona
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edward Timmsen
> To: jpclub
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:49 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
> Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at
Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
>
> BIGJP ettrans@m...
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75116 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:40pm
Subject: Re: NV 241 Transfer case
Are you positive you are talking about NVG241OR or are you talking about NV241 that has been around for years
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:16 PM
To: lrobinson@commspeed.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Lon,
I was comparing some of the specs, between a 231 and a 241, on the New
Venture web site. WOW....the 241 case will handle more than twice the
torque of a 231 and holds twice the fluid.
Although it gave no external measurements, I doubt if it will simply
swap over. I believe it is the reason why the t-case on the Rubicon
hangs so much lower.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: robinson5953
[mailto:lrobinson@commspeed.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NV 241 Transfer case
Does anyone know if the NV241 tcase from a Rubicon will bolt into an
earlier TJ with no modifications except for the rear driveshaft?
Lon
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75117 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:48pm
Subject: RE: Loop 202 opened today..... And you where ?????
I think we need to turn this into a learning experience instead of
pointing fingers and making reasons or excuses.
Yes this was not discussed a lot but there was a reminder sent several
times.
Yes it was not advertised as being fun and exciting or more importantly
rewarding and educational (for the public).
Solo maybe public meetings or showings of this kind need to be brought
to a vote or discussion to get a feeling if there is enough interest and
benefit.
I should also emphasize that signing up for runs, meeting or whatever is
a good thing. Signing up then not showing up is a bad thing.
Joey K
93YJ
75118 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:56pm
Subject: Advise needed please
Ok, Here's the deal. I need to change my front main bearing seal. I understand I need to only take the harmonic balancer off to get to it. I know, also the fan and radiator etc. What tools do I need for the harmonic balancer and the actual pulling of the seal? Can I get them at Harbor Freight, and how much? I am trying to see if this will be cheaper if I do it rather than a mechanic. The part is only like 6 bucks.
Any info is appreciated, as she's starting to leak bad! (97 TJ 4.0L)
Bill W
K7ANT a.k.a. "Antman"
97 TJ with a few mods.
Up on the Mogollon Rim in Arizona.
God and 4 wheelers' country!
75119 From: Nick N <nnote@d...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 10:29pm
Subject: Re: [despammed] What's wrong with an Ox?
I have the first Ox for the YJ realesed to public in my Jeep. This is the
ox BEFORE any changes were made etc... I am still DAMN happy with it and it
performs flawlesslly. This is what....3 years later now? I love it and
want one for my rear axle now.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: <laughingboy3@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:24 AM
Subject: [despammed] [az_vjc] What's wrong with an Ox?
>
> Is there something wrong with having an Ox locker? I have seen
> people have them on their Jeeps and they like them just fine,
> usually better than ARB. But one person said they had bad reviews,
> what is this all about? What about them makes an Ox locker so
> terrible? Really, I'm just trying to make my Jeep for on and off
> road use. I want it to be "trail ready" when I want it to be, and a
> rear Ox trac seems like a good deal. But, I have not heard anything
> but positive inputs. Give me all the negative you got with ARB and
> Ox trac. I just want to know what the best way is to have a locker
> for my rear and maybe my front too and keep it for street and off
> road. Thanks for your help.
> Jay Matthews 92YJ
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75120 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 10:31pm
Subject: [FS] 31x10.50.15's for sale
Price: 300.00
Contact: Brian Garneau
set of 4 big o MT 31x10.50x15 MT's.
about 5k on em
Bryan Garneau
75121 From: Nick <NickG@4...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:41pm
Subject: Sycamore Creek Clean up
As you all know, this weekend and next is the treeburn at Sycanire Creek... I wanted to propose a clean up out there to just go over the wash and dispose of all the left over debris. There has been talk about this area being closed down, and I went down there tonight and the was a LOT of BLM.... Sure would suck to see them use the tree burn, and its reminens against us.... Would anyone be interested in bringing a couple trailors out there not this weekend but next... Saturday the 25th? let me know.. id like to organize this.
75122 From: Nick <NickG@4...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:42pm
Subject: Re: X_mas Tree Burn
They even blocked 3 back ways I know of. It was closed down before 8pm! Still had fun drivin around in the upper wash..
Nick Gasmena
----- Original Message -----
From: enb4w
To: 'AzVJC'
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:43 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] X_mas Tree Burn
For those of you heading to the Christmas tree burn I have some info for you. The Sheriffs Department has signs up stating no fires in Sycamore and further more there were around 25 Sheriffs Department vehicles at the main entrance.
Good Luck!!!!!
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75123 From: Nick <NickG@4...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:44pm
Subject: Re: Sycamore Creek Clean up
Sycamore - Sycanire... same difference!
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:41 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Sycamore Creek Clean up
As you all know, this weekend and next is the treeburn at Sycanire Creek... I wanted to propose a clean up out there to just go over the wash and dispose of all the left over debris. There has been talk about this area being closed down, and I went down there tonight and the was a LOT of BLM.... Sure would suck to see them use the tree burn, and its reminens against us.... Would anyone be interested in bringing a couple trailors out there not this weekend but next... Saturday the 25th? let me know.. id like to organize this.
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75124 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 4:06am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Sunday, January 12, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Ed Timmsen is leading an Unspecified trail run on Sunday, January 12, 2003.
When: 9am
Where: I-10+Miller, about 2 miles past Jackrabitt road, the next exit. just north of I-10
Rating: None
Length: 2-3 hours
CB Channel: 4
Scorpion trail
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- The AzVJC Website