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01-07-2004, 09:11 PM
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74806 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 8:02pm
Subject: [FS] 99 Built TJ for sale
Price: 24.000
Contact: Mark 928-710-7102 larsenm@erau.edu
1999 Wrangler TJ
30,000mi
4.0L
A/C, Cruise controll, Tilt wheel
AP intake and bored TB
OAWG power wire all around
H4 headlight conversion wih LED running lights
5 Speed AX-15
Steering gear box brace
Rancho steering stabilizer
Custom steering Pitman to knuckle to knuckle.(Effortless steering)
RS 9000 corect length for size of lift
NP231 with JB Conversions slip yoke eliminator
Custom front and rear drive shafts
Front Dana 44 4.56
Rear Ford 9in 4.56 (Both full width and front locked)
37x12.5x15 Super swamper SSR on 15x10 rock crawlers 80% tred left
Skyjacker 8 in coils with tera flex arms(much longer than stock)
Scores a RTI of 920 on a 30 degree ramp
Rubicon express HD track bar and drop bracket
Rear has been converted to leaf spring
Hard Top with dark tinted windows
Full doors
Entire vehicle has been sound deadened with Dynamat
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74807 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 8:04pm
Subject: [FS] Upper doors
Price: 150.00 O.B.O
Contact: Mark larsenm@erau.edu
I have a pair of upper doors camel in color. They are three months old.
74808 From: blooddrive1 <fordlover49@yahoo.com> <fordlover49@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 8:05pm
Subject: Steering Stabilizer for CJ-7
Anyone have a good recomendation for a steering stabilizer set-up
(preferably better then stock) for a CJ-7?
-Mark
74809 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 8:49pm
Subject: White Tanks on Sun.
Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
BIGJP ettrans@msn.com
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74810 From: <cayotedave@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 4:51pm
Subject: Re: [FS] 258 complete motor
I need a good engine for my 1988 wrangler. It now has a carburated 6 cylinder with a rod knock. My truck has only 75k on it but it rolled over before I bought it so it may have ran without oil pressure. Please call me at work after 10:00 am. My phone # is (490)970-8959. Thank You. Let me know what condition and what you want for it.
Sincerely,
David Lindgren.
74811 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 9:57pm
Subject: Fw: White Tanks on Sun.
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM
To: Joey@desertjeep.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
Probably, Big sand wash and huge waterfall, was fun trying but never made it up though the BIG V-notch
----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:27 PM
To: 'Edward Timmsen'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
I may show to watch if you have a few joining you. That area might be interesting with all this rain.
BTW I was out with my neighbor last Sunday exploring the west side of the White Tanks. Those wouldn't happen to be your tracks we saw in a small play area in a large wash would they? We saw some decent obstacles out there.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:50 PM
To: jpclub
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
BIGJP ettrans@msn.com
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74812 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:37pm
Subject: Re: Fw: White Tanks on Sun.
I might be game. I havent heard of this trail before. Where abouts is it at
the whitetanks?
Thanks
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
>From: "Edward Timmsen" <ettrans@m...>
>To: "jpclub" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:57:46 -0700
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Edward Timmsen
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM
>To: Joey@d...
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>Probably, Big sand wash and huge waterfall, was fun trying but never made
>it up though the BIG V-notch
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: DesertJeep
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:27 PM
>To: 'Edward Timmsen'
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
> I may show to watch if you have a few joining you. That area might be
>interesting with all this rain.
>
>BTW I was out with my neighbor last Sunday exploring the west side of the
>White Tanks. Those wouldn't happen to be your tracks we saw in a small play
>area in a large wash would they? We saw some decent obstacles out there.
>
>Joey K
>93YJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@m...]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:50 PM
>To: jpclub
>Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
>Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller
>rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
>
>BIGJP ettrans@m...
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74813 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 3:24am
Subject: Re: Fw: White Tanks on Sun.
It is just down road from Firebird about 1/2 mile, Big waterfall at beginning, no out, trail about 1 to 1-1/4 mile long then turn around come out the way you came. The big fall fun to come down
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:37 PM
To: ettrans@msn.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
I might be game. I havent heard of this trail before. Where abouts is it at the whitetanks?
Thanks
Frank
BadAzXJ@msn.com
>From: "Edward Timmsen"
>To: "jpclub"
>Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:57:46 -0700
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Edward Timmsen
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM
>To: Joey@desertjeep.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>Probably, Big sand wash and huge waterfall, was fun trying but never made it up though the BIG V-notch
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: DesertJeep
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:27 PM
>To: 'Edward Timmsen'
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
> I may show to watch if you have a few joining you. That area might be interesting with all this rain.
>
>BTW I was out with my neighbor last Sunday exploring the west side of the White Tanks. Those wouldn't happen to be your tracks we saw in a small play area in a large wash would they? We saw some decent obstacles out there.
>
>Joey K
>93YJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@msn.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:50 PM
>To: jpclub
>Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
>Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
>
>BIGJP ettrans@msn.com
>
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74814 From: Nick <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1998 9:49am
Subject: Re: Fw: White Tanks on Sun.
2 waterfalls? 1st one is pretty steep, not too bad, 2nd maybe a little steeper but not so high... around the corner from there is the can opener i believe... I never went through _it_... my buddies have had some carnage on that one :) The waterfalls are fun... it was my jeeps "maiden run" after i did the long arm and 38 1/2"s... Have fun!
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: BADAZXJ XJArizona ; jpclub
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
It is just down road from Firebird about 1/2 mile, Big waterfall at beginning, no out, trail about 1 to 1-1/4 mile long then turn around come out the way you came. The big fall fun to come down
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:37 PM
To: ettrans@msn.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
I might be game. I havent heard of this trail before. Where abouts is it at the whitetanks?
Thanks
Frank
BadAzXJ@msn.com
>From: "Edward Timmsen"
>To: "jpclub"
>Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:57:46 -0700
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Edward Timmsen
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM
>To: Joey@desertjeep.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>Probably, Big sand wash and huge waterfall, was fun trying but never made it up though the BIG V-notch
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: DesertJeep
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:27 PM
>To: 'Edward Timmsen'
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
> I may show to watch if you have a few joining you. That area might be interesting with all this rain.
>
>BTW I was out with my neighbor last Sunday exploring the west side of the White Tanks. Those wouldn't happen to be your tracks we saw in a small play area in a large wash would they? We saw some decent obstacles out there.
>
>Joey K
>93YJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@msn.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:50 PM
>To: jpclub
>Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
>Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
>
>BIGJP ettrans@msn.com
>
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74815 From: Nick <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1998 9:59am
Subject: Re: Re: Troy and Sharky comparing......... OUCH!
Well they shouldnt have a problem learning how to "roll over" hahahahah!!!!
Have a good day! *knock on wood*
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: <sharxjeep@c...>
To: <MSA12171@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Troy and Sharky comparing.........
> All I can say is at least they would be offroad puppies...not pavement
> puppies. ooops, did I say that? Not that you drive a pavement pounder or
> anything Mike hahaha Id put ya up against any H2 out there. :)~
>
> Sharky
>
> << Are you sure you want THOSE puppies??? Do you realize who the
> parents will be? Talk about a spoiled litter. I can't even imagine
> what they'd look like. ;)
>
> Mike Anderson >>
>
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74816 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 4:59am
Subject: Re: Fw: White Tanks on Sun.
Scorpion is about 2-1/2 miles from trail with can opener, can't remember name of that trail
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:49 AM
To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; jpclub; Edward Timmsen
Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
2 waterfalls? 1st one is pretty steep, not too bad, 2nd maybe a little steeper but not so high... around the corner from there is the can opener i believe... I never went through _it_... my buddies have had some carnage on that one :) The waterfalls are fun... it was my jeeps "maiden run" after i did the long arm and 38 1/2"s... Have fun!
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: BADAZXJ XJArizona ; jpclub
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
It is just down road from Firebird about 1/2 mile, Big waterfall at beginning, no out, trail about 1 to 1-1/4 mile long then turn around come out the way you came. The big fall fun to come down
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:37 PM
To: ettrans@msn.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
I might be game. I havent heard of this trail before. Where abouts is it at the whitetanks?
Thanks
Frank
BadAzXJ@msn.com
>From: "Edward Timmsen"
>To: "jpclub"
>Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:57:46 -0700
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Edward Timmsen
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM
>To: Joey@desertjeep.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>Probably, Big sand wash and huge waterfall, was fun trying but never made it up though the BIG V-notch
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: DesertJeep
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:27 PM
>To: 'Edward Timmsen'
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
> I may show to watch if you have a few joining you. That area might be interesting with all this rain.
>
>BTW I was out with my neighbor last Sunday exploring the west side of the White Tanks. Those wouldn't happen to be your tracks we saw in a small play area in a large wash would they? We saw some decent obstacles out there.
>
>Joey K
>93YJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@msn.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:50 PM
>To: jpclub
>Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
>Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
>
>BIGJP ettrans@msn.com
>
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74817 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 6:11am
Subject: [TR] Technical Workshop - Saturday, January 11, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Joe West is leading a Technical Workshop trail run on Saturday, January 11, 2003.
When: Saturday, January 11th, 2003
Where: My Home
Rating: 2.0-
Length: 4 hours
CB Channel:
After the success of the first kill-switch workshop, I have had numerous requests to hold a second workshop. I have picked a date for the second kill-switch workshop a few months out to enable people to sign up over a longer period of time. I will update the information in this run as necessary, but for the most part all of the information you will need is here. The limit for the number of rigs we can fit in my yard and cul-de-sac is 30 so this will be the maximum number of people who can sign up. Please note that YOU will be doing the work in this workshop and I will be guiding, assisting, teaching, and testing your installs (and fixing any problems which may occur).
All short wheel base Jeeps such as Wranglers and CJs, Willys, etc can choose either a kill switch OR a combination hoodlock and kill switch. Since short wheel base Jeeps do not come from the factory with a hood lock, I would recommend people install the combination hood lock kill switch.
All long wheelbase Jeeps such as Grand Cherokees, Cherokees, Wagoneers and other vehicles that already have an INSIDE hood release will only need to purchase a kill switch.
The price for the HoodLock/Kill Switch is $43 and includes everything needed to install the kit.
The price for the kill switch alone is $15, and includes everything you will need to install the switch.
Unfortunately, because of problems I had with purchasing hoodlock/killswitches for people who didn't show and didn't pay (leaving me stuck with the hardware), it will be necessary for people to pay in advance. I will notify people when to pay as the time for me to order the hardware grows closer.
The purpose of this "run" is for me to assist members of this group in installing kill switches in their Jeeps.
The kill switch type will be determined by the year, make, and model of the Jeep being fitted with the switch. For those members with Wranglers/CJs and other SWB Jeeps with no hood locks, I will encourage a group buy of a hood lock kill switch combination. Once I determine how many people sign up and what kind of vehicles they have, I will put together a list of required materials and purchase them for everyone. Individual members can choose what kind of kill switch they want or I will determine it for them based on vehicle type if they have no preference. I will provide all tools and will purchase bulk materials (wires, switches, solder, connectors, electrical tape, zip ties, etc) which everyone will split the cost of. If you are interested, please sign up.
VERY IMPORTANT:
All Participants in the clinic MUST give me the following information:
1. Year and model of vehicle on which we will be installing the kill switch
2. Do you have a FACTORY service manual OR a service manual with wiring schematics for your vehicle?
3. Which of the following tools can you bring: drill, drill bits, wire cutters, metric and/or standard socket set, wire strippers, wire crimpers, nylon ties, electrical tape, soldering iron/solder, long extension cords, multi-outlet adaptors/short extension cords, volt-ohm meters or DVM, blowdryer (for heat-shrink tubing).
VERY VERY IMPORTANT:
The clinic will be held at my home in Mesa Arizona on Saturday morning, January 11th starting at (for now, this may change) 7:30AM. I believe that you can plan on spending a good 4 hours at my home, and hopefully, if everything goes well we will finish around noon on Saturday.
My home address is:
649 S. 30th Circle, Mesa, Arizona 85204.
My home phone is:
(480) 325-9419
My cell phone is:
(602) 524-7632
You can obtain very good directions from Yahoo maps... but a brief set of directions are as follows:
Take 60 headed East and get off on Gilbert Road.
Head North on Gilbert Road (Left) to Broadway Road.
Head East on Broadway (right) to 30th street (30th street is the FIRST residential street you can make a right on just past the light at Lindsay... do not turn into the small community just east of Walgreens.
Head South (right) on 30th Street.
30th Street dead ends in my Cul-De-Sac and my home is the one with all the palm trees in the yard.
PLEASE PLEASE park along 30th street and WALK to my home. The reason that I am asking this is because I want to group like vehicles together to simplify installations. After everyone parks along 30th street, I will have a short meeting on my front porch and then I will ask all YJ owners to go get their vehicles and we will place them in one location in my yard. I will then ask all TJ owners to go get their vehicles and will park them in another location... and so on until all vehicle types are grouped together in my yard or cul-de-sac.
After everyone is grouped together, I will walk everyone through the steps of installing kill switches... and we will work together as a team to get them installed. To avoid having any electrical problems, you will be required to disconnect the positive lead on your battery BEFORE we do any work on your vehicle.
Please plan on bringing a cooler with drinks, cups and/or snacks if you will need them.
I will post this entire post to the "trip" on Azvjc.org if people need to reference it at a later date.
If you have suggestions and you see something I have forgotten, please let me know.
And last but not least, if you would like to come hang out and HELP or just watch and learn... I'm sure we could use all the help we can get. Everyone interested is welcome to show up.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
Technical workshops happen every once in a while and are intended as a "How To" class.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
74818 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:00am
Subject: Fwd: Action Alert - Healthy Forests Initiative - Rulemaking Comments
The below request for action has some important implications for
recreation and property rights. The Health Forests Initiative will
ensure that forests are managed and not left to be tinder boxes for
the types of devastating wildfires fires experienced the past few
years.
It will ensure we do have forests to enjoy.
Please take a couple of minutes and help support the Healthy Forest Initiative.
************************************************
Chris West, Vice President
American Forest Resource Council
503-222-9505
503-222-3255 (F)
<mailto:cwest@a...>cwest@a...
<http://www.afrc.ws>www.afrc.ws
January 8, 2003
TO: AFRC Members and Friends
FROM: Tom Partin
RE: Urgent Action Required - Comments on Bush's
Healthy Forests Initiative
Earlier this week you were sent an Action Alert regarding comments
needed on President Bush's Healthy Forests Initiative. Improving the
health of our forests to reduce the risk of insects, diseases and
catastrophic wildfires is a top priority for President Bush. His
proposals will modernize regulations clearing the way for responsible
management that focuses on protecting forests, watersheds, wildlife
and communities. Your comment letters, as well as your employees',
that express support for the changes President Bush is proposing are
critically important.
Response to date has been extremely disappointing; with just one
hundred individuals sending emails to the respective agency
officials. Noteworthy is the fact that Erickson Air Crane has had
great participation, followed by Boise and Sierra Pacific Industries.
While the latter two companies have about a dozen participants, given
the size of their operations there is still a lot more potential.
We have made it easy for you and your employees to support the
President's Healthy Forests Initiative, you can either
<http://capwiz.com/landsense/issues/alert/?alertid=1157026&type=CU>Click
Here or visit AFRC's website at <http://www.afrc.ws/>www.afrc.ws and
the 'click & send' comment emails can be found under Public
Comment.
For your employees that do not have Internet access, several other
forms of comment such as petitions and postcards are available. For
more information, contact AFRC's Portland office at 503-222-9505.
Remember, in his decision to stand with us and address the forest
health crisis, President Bush has loaned us his own good name and all
of the power that comes with his office. But he needs our strong
support to put his Healthy Forests Initiative on a firm and lasting
foundation.
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
74819 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:07am
Subject: Fwd: CHMN. POMBO - Prop. Rights VICTORY!
There has been speculation as to the new Chairman of the House
Resources Committee. And the winner is......
POMBO NAMED CHAIRMAN: PROPERTY RIGHTS VICTORY !
American Land Rights Association
30218 NE 82nd Avenue, Battle Ground, WA 98604
360-687-3087, fax 360-687-2973
January 8, 2002
Contact: Mike Hardiman
202-210-2357
WASHINGTON, DC - Advocates of private property rights are jubilant at
the selection of Representative Richard Pombo (R-CA) to be Chairman
of the House of Representatives Committee on Resources.
Pombo was named Chairman today by the Republican leadership, which
makes committee assignments and names chairmen. The Resources
committee has jurisdiction over a wide range of issues vitally
important to private property rights and use of the public lands,
including agencies within the Interior Department, the Endangered
Species Act, water, timber, mining and fisheries management.
Here is what some leaders of the property rights movement had to say:
"Richard Pombo is straight from the grassroots. He has been there
for us time and time again in Congress, from adding common sense to
the Endangered Species Act to stopping attempted land grab
legislation to promoting multiple use of federal lands. With Richard
Pombo as chairman, everyone will be heard from and the grassroots
will have a seat at the table."
Chuck Cushman, American Land Rights Association
Battle Ground, Washington
360-607-3312 (cell) <http://www.landrights.org>www.landrights.org
"Representative Pombo has proven his awareness of issues that
property owners face across the country, East and West. He has stood
up for farmers in the mid-west, forest owners in the northeast, and
ranchers in the far west."
Carol LaGrasse, Property Rights Foundation of America
Stony Creek, New York
518-696-5748 <http://www.prfamerica.org>www.prfamerica.org
"Richard Pombo understands how far the federal government has over
reached into the lives of the average American, with no benefit for
people or the environment, just the bureaucracy. I believe he will
work toward restoring a balance. He has earned the chairmanship and
deserves the opportunity."
Henry Lamb, Eco-Logic Foundation
Hollow Rock, Tennessee
731-986-0099 <http://www.freedom.org>www.freedom.org
"This is the most exciting news that private land owners and resource
producers have had in ten years. We know first-hand from experiences
that range from Klamath Falls, Oregon to Dade County, Florida that
Mr. Pombo stands for the rights of small property owners."
G. B. Oliver, Paragon Foundation
Alamogordo, New Mexico
505-434-8998 <http://www.paragonpowerhouse.org>www.paragonpowerhouse.org
"Richard Pombo has always been a staunch advocate for us. I am very
excited about his taking the chairmanship because he believes in the
Fifth Amendment in the same way our founding fathers did."
Patricia Bradburn, Virginians for Property Rights
Catharpin, Virginia
703-754-7900 <mailto:Pbradburn@e...>Pbradburn@e...
"We have a long history of working with Richard Pombo, and are
delighted that he is chairman. This is great news for advocates of
recreational access to our nation's public lands."
Clark Collins, Blue Ribbon Coalition (off-road recreation access)
Pocatello, Idaho
208-237-1008 <http://www.sharetrails.org>www.sharetrails.org
The American Land Rights Association, founded in 1977, is a
nationwide, grassroots organization. Members include farmers,
ranchers, woodlot owners, inholders of private property surrounded by
public lands, cabin permitees and other small landowners supporting
private property rights and multiple use of the federal lands.
END
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
74820 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:15am
Subject: Fwd: New suit challenges air rules in parks snowmobiles
A point to ponder:
Snowmobile engines = Personal Water Craft engines = ATV engines
and are close to motorcycle engines.
Expectations are the environmental organizations will be increasing
the number of lawsuits filed. The BlueRibbon Coalition has been
deeply involved with the snowmobile issue for a number of years.
Please support their Legal Defense Fund. (www.sharetrails.org)
>
><http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?display=rednews/2003/01/09/build/wyoming/a-snomosuit.inc>http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?display=rednews/2003/01/09/build/wyoming/a-snomosuit.inc
>
>New suit challenges air rules in parks
>
>By MIKE STARK
>Gazette Wyoming Bureau
>
>Environmental groups have filed a lawsuit charging that the federal
>government went too easy on snowmobile manufacturers in new
>pollution standards approved in November.
>
>Bluewater Network and Environmental Defense say the Environmental
>Protection Agency violated the federal Clean Air Act by not
>requiring snowmobiles to meet emission standards that are achievable
>by today's technology.
>
>"They are not following the law," said Sean Smith of Bluewater Network.
>
>For the first time ever, the EPA in early November established
>limits on how much pollution will be allowed from snowmobiles. The
>new rules say snowmobiles will have to run 30 percent cleaner within
>four years and meet tougher standards in 2010 and 2012.
>
>
>The regulations are part of a larger movement within the EPA to
>reign in pollution from off-road vehicles and large industrial
>engines.
>
>Smith said the Clean Air Act mandates that federal emission
>standards achieve the greatest degree of reduction based on
>currently available technology.
>
>Most snowmobile manufacturers are already producing four-stroke
>engines that reduce pollution by up to 95 percent. Smith said the
>EPA should have required that snowmobiles meet that standard.
>
>"The technology is already in the dealerships," he said. "We
>definitely think the time frame should be moved up."
>
>The EPA was on the brink of approving tougher standards before the
>Bush administration took office, Smith said.
>
>"I think they're under heavy political pressure to pacify the
>industry," Smith said.
>
>Hours after the environmental groups filed suit in Washington, D.C.,
>federal court, the International Snowmobile Manufacturers
>Association filed legal papers to make sure industry is involved in
>any legal action on the emissions standards.
>
>Ed Klim, president of the ISMA, said the "environmental extremists"
>are simply trying to derail EPA's "ambitious standards and
>aggressive schedule that were based on good science."
>
>He said the snowmobile industry is feeling the crunch of the new
>emission standards but believes they will be able to meet the
>schedule established by EPA.
>
>"It's really a pretty tight time frame compared to other vehicles," Klim said.
>
>The 2003 snowmobile models are finished and 2004 models are under
>way. Eliminating emissions for the 2006 models will be tough, Klim
>said. "When you build vehicles, two years is not much lead time. We
>also have to work in the marketplace to convince people to buy them."
>
>As the environmental groups' lawsuit progresses, Klim said he wants
>the snowmobile industry to be given every opportunity to respond to
>claims that might be raised in court.
>
>"We want to be at the table for every meeting, not every other
>meeting," Klim said.
>
>Cathy Milbourn, an EPA spokeswoman in Washington, D.C., said she
>couldn't respond to the environmental groups' lawsuit because the
>EPA hasn't seen it yet.
>
>But she reaffirmed the EPA's stance that the new emissions
>standards, when they are fully implemented, will remove more than 2
>million tons of pollution from the air every year - the equivalent
>of removing 32 million cars from the road.
>
>Even though some snowmobile makers are already producing cleaner
>machines, Milbourn said the EPA wanted to give the industry time to
>conform to stricter emissions limitations.
>
>"The idea is to provide a reasonable amount of time for the industry
>to comply with the rule," she said.
>
>Although the new emissions rules will apply to snowmobiles across
>the nation, the machines will have to meet tougher standards under a
>new proposal to allow machines into Yellowstone and Grand Teton
>national parks, according to park officials.
>
>The plan, which could be approved later this year, would be phased
>in over upcoming winters.
>
>
>Mike Stark can be reached at (307) 527-7250 or at
><mailto:mstark@b...>mstark@b...
>
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
74821 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:41am
Subject: Fwd: [Faunkybroncys] FEDERAL AGENCIES FAIL IN DESERT TORTOISE RECOVERY
This legal action is in response to the recent GAO report critical of
the USFWS and BLM efforts concerning the Desert Tortoise.
These organizations need your support:
AMA D-37 - http://www.district37ama.org/home.html
California Off Road Vehicle Association (CORVA) - http://www.corva.org/
Off Road Business Association (ORBA) - http://www.orbanet.org/
San Diego Off Road Vehicle Association (SDORC) - http://www.sdorc.org/
FEDERAL AGENCIES FAIL IN DESERT TORTOISE RECOVERY
1/8/03 San Diego. Public land access advocates served a notice of
intent to sue to federal agencies on Wednesday charging that the U.S.
Department of Interior, and its two subordinate agencies, the United
Fish & Wildlife Service (USFWS) and the Bureau of Land Management
(BLM) have knowingly and negligently impeded the recovery of the
desert tortoise since its listing as "threatened" in 1989.
The four organizations, primarily off road groups, claim that the
DOI, USFWS and BLM have failed to take reasonable steps to arrest the
spread of Upper Respiratory Tract Disease (URTD), which is suspected
to be the primary cause of dramatic declines in desert tortoise
populations. The action also cites the agencies' failure to properly
monitor the recovery efforts, and claim the agencies have ignored the
growing body of science that indicates URTD, along with raven
predation, are driving the species rapidly toward extinction
throughout the deserts of California, Arizona, Nevada and Utah.
This action also follows the release of a report from the General
Accounting Office (GAO), which indicates that federal government has
spent over $100 million in the last 12 years trying to protect the
tortoise; with little or no evidence these efforts have made any
difference.
"The DOI efforts to recover the desert tortoise have been an abject
failure.," states David P. Hubbard an environmental attorney who
filed the notice. "Millions of dollars have been expended, and
millions of acres of federal land have been closed off to public use;
yet the tortoise continues to spiral towards extinction."
The filing will heat up the battle between recreationists and those
who want to close the desert to off-road vehicles and campers.
Since 1994, millions of acres of public lands have been closed off
from motorized access, making over 14% of California inaccessible to
the public.
"The federal agencies are being driven to closure decisions by
environmental lawsuits, and fail to consider the science or
economical impact of the communities that are affected.," states
Michelle Cassella of AMA D-37 Sports Committee, the lead organization
in the action. "Recent studies funded in part by off road interests
clearly indicate that in many cases the public has little or no
impact on threatened species. Ironically, it is the trails and
highways in the desert that provide barriers for disease transmission
among tortoise populations."
Other plaintiffs in the action include the California Off Road
Vehicle Association (CORVA), Off Road Business Association (ORBA),
and the San Diego Off Road Vehicle Association (SDORC).
David Hubbard is an environmental and land use attorney with the firm
of Procopio, Cory, Hargreaves & Savitch, LLP located in San Diego,
CA. He represents public land advocates who have filed the 60 Day
Notice of Intent to Sue. (760) 496-0776
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
74822 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:48am
Subject: Fwd: West Mojave Management Plan Update
KERN AND SAN BERNARDINO COUNTIES TO HOLD SCOPING MEETINGS
Bakersfield:
January 9, 2003
2:00 - 4:00 p.m.
Kern County Public Services Building
2700 M" Street
Bakersfield, California
Point of Contact: Lorelei Oviatt, (661) 862-8866
Ridgecrest:
January 10, 2003
9:00 - 11:00 a.m.
City of Ridgecrest Council Chambers
100 W. California Avenue
Ridgecrest, California
Point of Contact: Lorelei Oviatt, (661) 862-8866
San Bernardino:
January 16, 2003
7:00 - 9:00 p.m.
San Bernardino County Museum
2024 Orange Tree Lane
San Bernardino, California
Point of Contact: Randy Scott, (909) 387-4147
The BLM held a series of scoping meetings for the West Mojave Plan
(WMP) in early 2002. At that time it wasn't clear whether the scope of the
project would require evaluation under the provisions of the California
Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). It has now been determined that the
development of a programmatic Environmental Impact Report (EIR) is required
for compliance with the CEQA guidelines. Because the Counties of Kern and
San Bernardino represent the largest implementation areas covered by the
WMP, they will serve as Co-Lead Agencies in the development of the EIR.
The initial step involved in developing the EIR is to determine the
scope of the potential impacts and issues that should be addressed in the
environmental document by holding public meetings to seek input from
stakeholders including responsible agencies, other key agencies,
organizations, private property owners, and interested individuals. Thus,
a series of public scoping meetings will be held by the Kern County
Planning Department and the San Bernardino County Land Use Services
Department.
The Draft EIR is scheduled for release in the spring of 2003. When
completed, the Final EIR, will assess the environmental impacts of a
proposed action and a range of reasonable alternatives (including a "no
action" alternative). Availability of the Draft EIR for public review and
comment will be announced and noticed in the local media.
The WMP involves the management of 3.6 million acres of public land
administered by the BLM and 2.8 million acres of private property. The WMP
is being prepared collaboratively with local, state, and federal agencies
with intent that the WMP serve as a habitat conservation plan (HCP) for the
area. The HCP which will facilitate the issuance of programmatic
incidental take permits by the California Department of Fish and Game and
the United States Fish and Wildlife Service to participating cities,
counties, and private property owners. Included in the HCP are
conservation strategies for the desert tortoise, Mojave ground squirrel,
and other sensitive desert plants and animals. Also included in the HCP
are motorized vehicle road use designations on public lands in the region,
as well as multiple use issues such as livestock grazing, mining, cultural
resources and recreation.
Information regarding the West Mojave Plan is available on the
Internet at http://www.ca.blrn.gov/cdd/wemo.htrnl or from Kern or San
Bernardino County planning departments.
Written comments regarding this ER can be mailed directly to the
counties at the addresses provided below. Because of time limits mandated
by state law, comments must be received at the earliest possible date but
no later than January 25, 2002
Kern County Planning Department
Attention: Lorelei Oviatt
Public Services Building
2700 'M' Street, Suite 100
Bakersfield, CA 93301-2370
County of San Bernardino
Land Use Services Department
Attention: Randy Scott
385 North Arrowhead Avenue
San Bernardino, CA 92415-0182
This information is provided by Ron Schiller, Chairman, High Desert
Multiple Use Coalition. As usual, please feel free to pass this informa
tion on to any other interested parties. Anyone wishing to receive future
information regarding issues related to the management of public lands in
the California Desert should send an e-mail to schiller@r...
and request to be placed on the distribution list. Please print "PLEASE
ADD TO LIST" in the subject line.
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
74823 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 8:10am
Subject: Fwd: News & Notes for the Politically Motivated Motorcyclists
> February 2003
>
>News & Notes for the Politically Motivated Motorcyclists is a monthly service
>compiled and edited by the AMA Government Relations Staff to keep
>motorcyclists
>informed of happenings around the world. We welcome your news & views. Please
>submit all material to Terry Lee Cook, Government Relations Specialist, 13515
>Yarmouth Drive, Pickerington, OH 43147; fax 614-856-1920 or e-mail to
>tcook@a....
>
>
> Colorado Off-Highway Vehicle Coalition (COHVCO) filed a notice of
>appeal of a
>federal district court decision which allowed the US Forest Service
>to restrict
>motorized travel on 217,000 acres of the Routt National Forest to designated
>roads and trails without first taking an inventory and designating
>open trails.
>COHVCO's case, originally filed in the district court in June of
>1999, will now
>go up to the Tenth Circuit Federal Court of Appeals in Denver.
> At the district court, COHVCO argued that the Forest Service
>failed to comply
>with the Administrative Procedure Act (APA) and the National Forest Management
>Act (NFMA) in its decisions to restrict motorized travel to
>designated routes on
>the Parks and Yampa Ranger Districts in the Routt National Forest. The Forest
>Service originally stated that the restrictions were intended to close
>"illegally constructed or maintained" user-created routes which had
>been created
>by riders following the beaten paths of riders before them. After
>COHVCO pointed
>out that no one had ever actually "constructed" or "maintained" these routes,
>the Forest Service then stated that the restrictions were necessary
>to mitigate
>"adverse impacts to soil, water, and wildlife." However, the Forest Service
>never pointed out just where on the ground these "adverse impacts" were
>occurring.
> The Routt National Forest, located in northwestern Colorado just east of
>Steamboat Springs, straddles the continental divide and covers over
>1.1 million
>acres. The Routt is immensely popular among all types of recreational visitors
>due to its varied terrain, incredible beauty, and ease of access from Denver,
>Ft. Collins, and other cities on the Front Range. Motorized recreation has
>always been one of the Routt's biggest draws.
> COHVCO will ask the Tenth Circuit to review the September 30, 2002
>decision of
>Judge John L. Kane, which said that the Forest Service was not
>required to do a
>route inventory, and that use of off-highway vehicles could be restricted
>whether or not the Forest Service could prove past or current conflicts or
>resource impacts caused by such use.
>
>
> The California Multiple-Use Summit will be held March 22, 2003 in
>Sacramento,
>CA.
> The purpose of this Summit is to bring together representatives from the
>entire multiple-use community in order to identify common problems,
>find common
>solutions, embark upon unified efforts, and resolve possible misunderstandings
>between various interest groups. The Summit will focus on keeping access to
>lands and resources in California. There are no dues; no structure; no taking
>away memberships from anyone; and no political finagling.
> All forms of access-oriented enthusiasts are invited, including but not
>limited to: four wheelers, equestrians, mountain bikers, metal detectors, ATV
>riders, snowmobile riders, off-highway motorcyclists, miners, ranchers, gem
>collectors, racers, dune enthusiasts, sand draggers, rock crawlers, hill
>climbers, back country explorers, hikers, etc.
> For more information go to www.delalbright.com/summit.htm
>
>
>
> Road Causalities Great Britain, just published by the Department of
>Transport, shows that the number of people killed on British roads rose from
>3,409 in 2000 to 3,443 in 2001 despite the rabid increase of speed monitoring
>cameras across the English countryside.
>
>
> American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) government relations staff
>participated in the Forest Roads Working Group dialogue held
>December 3-4, 2002
>in Arlington, Virginia.
> The Forest Roads Working Group (FRWG) is comprised of national conservation
>organizations including: The Izaak Walton League of America, Wildlife Forever,
>Wildlife Management Institute, The Wildlife Society, Trout Unlimited, Outdoor
>Industry Association, Pinchot Institute for Conservation, and International
>Paper (all advocating for implementation of the Clinton era Roadless Area
>Conservation Rule).
> The dialogue, facilitated by the Meridian Institute under contract with the
>FRWG, was attended by 50 representatives of conservation, timber and timber
>product organizations, American Hiking Society, western states
>officials as well
>as Forest Service Chief Bosworth, Mark Rey, David Tenny, David Barone and Gail
>Kimball also of the Forest Service. Staff from both the Senate Public Lands &
>Forests Subcommittee and House Forests & Forest Health Subcommittee
>attended for
>the majority of the meeting. In addition to AMA, motorized
>recreation interests
>were also represented by the Motorcycle Industry Council and the Blue Ribbon
>Coalition.
> The Forest Roads Working Group's Discussion Paper supporting the immediate
>implementation of the Roadless Area Conservation Rule singled out
>OHV recreation
>as a recreational activity destructive of public lands. This paper
>was released
>to dialogue invitees two weeks prior to the dialogue. Recreation
>representatives
>spent considerable time during the first day of the dialogue correcting
>erroneous assertions made by meeting attendees regarding motorized recreation
>and the motorcycle and all-terrain vehicle industry.
> A written summary of the dialogue exchanges will be compiled by the Meridian
>Institute and released for review to dialogue participants. Counsel for the
>Forest Roads Working Group indicated the FRWG will meet to consider
>the content
>of the dialogue and may revise the Discussion Paper based on the information
>learned at the dialogue.
>
>
> The Massachusetts Motorcycle Association will file a class action
>suit against
>the city of Newburyport, after 230 motorcyclists were issued excessive noise
>citations while only three noise complaints were filed by residents over the
>last three years.
> After reviewing more than 1,500 pages of Police Department documents, MMA
>Legislative Director Paul Cote said he is questioning whether motorcyclists'
>civil rights were violated in the city, especially considering that
>some of the
>citations were issued without sound metering equipment. Six-months after the
>MMA's request for police documents, the state Supervisor of Public Records
>ordered the police to release the public documents.
> Cote, an Amesbury resident, said they plan to bring a class action lawsuit
>against the city for an estimated $150,000 -- the amount in damages to some of
>the 230 cited riders over the last three years.
> The citation for excessive noise carries a $50 fine, an
>increased insurance
>premium of 7 percent for six years, and if more than three citations
>are issued,
>the loss of a license for 30 days. The city shares 50 percent of the citation
>fines collected. Cote said he expects to be in court some time in January or
>February.
>
>
>
>
> The Coalition for Recreational Trails, a federation of national and regional
>trail-related organizations including the American Motorcyclist
>Association, has
>announced its fifth annual Achievement Awards. The Coalition's awards program
>was established to recognize outstanding trail projects funded by the national
>Recreational Trails Program (RTP).
> The awards will be presented in Washington, D.C. on June 12 during Great
>Outdoors Week 2003 (June 9-13) as part of the Coalition's ongoing effort to
>build awareness and appreciation of the RTP, a highly successful program that
>has greatly enhanced the quantity and quality of trail experiences
>available to
>the public. The awards ceremony will be held on Capitol Hill and Members of
>Congress will be encouraged to join the Coalition in honoring the outstanding
>achievements of their constituents.
> Award winners will be selected from projects nominated by public agencies,
>trail administrators or other project sponsors and will reflect the
>diversity of
>trail activities that receive RTP funding. To be eligible for recognition, a
>project must be complete and must have received RTP funding since 1998. Award
>categories include: construction and design; maintenance and rehabilitation;
>education and communication; accessibility enhancement; multiple-use
>management
>or "corridor sharing"; environment/wildlife compatibility; and use of youth
>conservation/service corps.
> The Coalition for Recreational Trails and AMA invites trail
>administrators,
>agencies and project sponsors to nominate an outstanding project in
>one or more
>of the above categories and/or to encourage the sponsor(s) of an excellent
>project to submit a nomination as well.
> Nomination forms are available directly from the Coalition at (202) 682-9530
>or arc@f...). The form and any supporting materials, including
>pictures, should be sent by March 14, 2003 to Alicia L. Knight, Legislative
>Counsel, American Horse Council, 1616 H Street, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20006.
>Questions should be directed to Ms. Knight at 202-296-4031 or via e-mail at
>Aknight@h.... Winners will be notified no later than
>April 21, 2003.
>
>
> Texas Department of Agriculture Commissioner Susan Combs in concert with
>property, environmental and agricultural interest groups unveiled proposed
>legislation to prohibit motor vehicle access to the state's waterways. The
>legislation being proposed is based on recommendations made by a
>Texas Parks and
>Wildlife led taskforce of "riverbed stakeholders".
> Three separate bills have been introduced to prohibit off-highway vehicle
>access to riverbeds. Senate bill 155, introduced by Senator Judith
>Zaffirini (D
>? Laredo), and house bill 305, introduced by Representative Robert Puente (D ?
>San Antonio) would prohibit the operation motor vehicles in the
>"bottom, bed, or
>bank of any navigable river or stream". House bill 206, also introduced by
>Representative Puente, would grant river authorities the power to prohibit
>"vehicular access to and use of the beds and banks of the state-owned
>watercourses". All three bills would exempt adjacent upland property owners
>from any new vehicular prohibitions.
> Senate bill 155 and house bills 206 and 305 are posted on the StateWatch
>section of the "Protecting Your Right to Ride" page of AMADirectLink.com.
>Concerned motorcycle and all-terrain vehicle enthusiasts can use the Rapid
>Response feature of the website to identify and contact their state
>legislators.
>
>
>
>
>
> Shanghai, China officials, in an effort to reduce air pollution,
>have proposed
>to ban all 789,000 motorcycles (55 percent of all traffic) from
>operating within
>the city.
>
>
> San Francisco, CA Board of Supervisors approved a measure to try to ease
>motorcyclists' parking woes in the city. Introduced by Supervisor
>Matt Gonzales,
>at the request of the San Francisco Motorcycle and Scooter Coalition, the new
>law calls for cars to be towed if they're parked in motorcycle spots. The law
>also requires city traffic officials to consider designating a space as
>motorcycle parking before making it a no-parking zone.
>
>
> California's Coastal Commission was declared unconstitutional December 30,
>2002 by a state appeals court in Sacramento. Among the commission's many
>responsibilities is a yearly review of the conditional use permit for Oceano
>Dunes. The commission was found to violate the California Constitution's
>separation of powers provision because eight of its 12 members are
>appointed by
>and serve at the pleasure of legislative leaders, even though
>commissioners make
>mostly executive and judicial decisions.
>
>
> New Jersey Assembly Bill 3047 (A3047), sponsored by Assemblywoman
>Connie Myers
>(R ? Washington) and Assemblyman Joseph Azzolina (R ? Middletown), authorizes
>the Division of Motor Vehicles to issue special veterans' license plates
>designed for motorcycles to honorably discharged veterans. A $15
>application fee
>would be required in addition to the regular registration fee. Letters in
>support of A3047 should be sent to The Honorable John Wisniewski, Chairman,
>Assembly Transportation Committee, State House Annex, P.O. Box 068,
>Trenton, NJ
>08625-0068.
>
>
> South Carolina Senate Bill 32 (S32), introduced by John Knotts,
>Jr. (R - West
>Columbia), authorizes a Purple Heart recipient special motor vehicle license
>plate for use on motorcycles. Letters of support should be sent to
>The Honorable
>W. Greg Ryberg, Chairman, Senate Transportation Committee, 203
>Gressette Bldg.,
>P.O. Box 142, Columbia, SC 29202.
>
>
> Pennsylvania Assembly Bill 2993 (HB2993), introduced by
>Representative Richard
>Geist (R ? Altoona), provides for a one-year suspension of operating
>privileges
>for certain offenses related to motor vehicles. It also levies a
>$500 fine for
>those convicted of careless driving. Your letters of support should be sent to
>The Honorable Richard Geist, Chairman, House Transportation Committee, Capitol
>Bldg., House Box 202020, Harrisburg, PA 17120-2020.
>
>
> Washington State Senator Jim Horn (R-Mercer Island) has been chosen to chair
>the Senate Transportation Committee. Senator Horn, a long time
>motorcyclist and
>HOG member, has been a consistent advocate for motorcyclists during
>his time in
>the legislature.
>
>
> Carefree, Arizona city officials have adopted ordinance 2002-14,
>revising the
>town code to prohibit "Noise of such a character, intensity or
>duration as to be
>detrimental to the life, health or well-being of any individual, or to
>unreasonably disturb the peace and quiet of a neighborhood, family or person."
> This proposed ordinance specifically outlines motor vehicles, including
>motorcycles, in the arbitrary criteria for enforcement and levy of fines
>starting at $175.00 up to $2,500.00 with 180 days of imprisonment.
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
74824 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...> <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 8:26am
Subject: Wanted Compressor
I'm looking for a decent air compressor for my garage to run air
tools... I finally am going to break down and buy one, wanted to see
if anyone on the list was selling one before I go out and pick on
up! -Rob
74825 From: dadecamp <dadecamp@e...> <dadecamp@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 8:36am
Subject: Land Use Permits
Hi,
I'm new to this group and fairly new to AZ. I have a trail
book, "Arizona Backcountry Adventures". It mentions that permits
may be required but does not say where to bet them! It's "Box
Canyon" trail is one that it says needs a permit. Where am I
suppose to get one and are the an annual permit?
Thanks,
DAD
74826 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 8:50am
Subject: Re: Wanted Compressor
I don't have one for sale but my old man always boasts about the prices at
harbor freight. Has anyone gotten one from there and had any luck. My old
man picked a pretty nice one up a few years back and it hasn't given him any
problems... it was about half the price as the same size at Sears and Home
Depot at the time.
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To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:26 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wanted Compressor
> I'm looking for a decent air compressor for my garage to run air
> tools... I finally am going to break down and buy one, wanted to see
> if anyone on the list was selling one before I go out and pick on
> up! -Rob
>
>
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74827 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:00am
Subject: Re: Land Use Permits
Here you go DAD:
The permits are good for one year from date of purchase and available from:
Sandee McCullen
east valley near Val Vista & Southern
480.832.8132 / mccullen@w...
4-Wheeler Supply
35th St. & Washington, Phx
Driven Auto Parts
35th AVENUE, south of Van Buren
Arizona State Land Dept.
1616 W. Adams, Phx
Public Lands Information Center
222 N. Central Avenue, Phx
(corner of Central & Van Buren)
HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
"dadecamp " wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm new to this group and fairly new to AZ. I have a trail
> book, "Arizona Backcountry Adventures". It mentions that permits
> may be required but does not say where to bet them! It's "Box
> Canyon" trail is one that it says needs a permit. Where am I
> suppose to get one and are the an annual permit?
> Thanks,
> DAD
>
>
>
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74828 From: blt4rox <blt4rox@e...> <blt4rox@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:03am
Subject: Re: Fw: White Tanks on Sun.
I think the trail with the supposed can opener obstacle on the second
waterfall is actually called "Intimidator" although, I'm not sure
why. It's not really worth the drive out there for 2 obstacles.
What's the "Scorpion" trail like?
Sean
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Timmsen" <ettrans@m...> wrote:
>
> Scorpion is about 2-1/2 miles from trail with can opener, can't
remember name of that trail
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nick
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:49 AM
> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; jpclub; Edward Timmsen
> Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
> 2 waterfalls? 1st one is pretty steep, not too bad, 2nd maybe a
little steeper but not so high... around the corner from there is
the can opener i believe... I never went through _it_... my buddies
have had some carnage on that one :) The waterfalls are fun... it
was my jeeps "maiden run" after i did the long arm and 38 1/2"s...
Have fun!
>
> Nick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edward Timmsen
> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona ; jpclub
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
>
> It is just down road from Firebird about 1/2 mile, Big waterfall at
beginning, no out, trail about 1 to 1-1/4 mile long then turn around
come out the way you came. The big fall fun to come down
> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:37 PM
> To: ettrans@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
> I might be game. I havent heard of this trail before. Where abouts
is it at the whitetanks?
>
> Thanks
>
> Frank
> BadAzXJ@m...
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Edward Timmsen" <ettrans@m...>
> >To: "jpclub" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
> >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:57:46 -0700
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Edward Timmsen
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM
> >To: Joey@d...
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
> >
> >Probably, Big sand wash and huge waterfall, was fun trying but
never made it up though the BIG V-notch
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: DesertJeep
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:27 PM
> >To: 'Edward Timmsen'
> >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
> >
> > I may show to watch if you have a few joining you. That area
might be interesting with all this rain.
> >
> >BTW I was out with my neighbor last Sunday exploring the west side
of the White Tanks. Those wouldn't happen to be your tracks we saw in
a small play area in a large wash would they? We saw some decent
obstacles out there.
> >
> >Joey K
> >93YJ
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@m...]
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:50 PM
> >To: jpclub
> >Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
> >
> >
> >Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet
at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
> >
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74829 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:08am
Subject: Fwd: WALL: Fw: GOODLATTE ELECTED CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE
This new chairmanship selection seems to have really upset the
radical environmental community. Goodlatte is a supporter of
President Bush's "Healthy Forest Initiative".
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "AgPress" <AgPress@m...>
>To: "News Distribution" <news@a...>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:08 PM
>
>
>Subject: GOODLATTE ELECTED CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>Wednesday, January 8, 2003
>
>Media Contact:
>Elyse Bauer or Brent Gattis (202) 225-2171
>
>
>GOODLATTE ELECTED CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE
>
>'The Work of the Committee Affects the Lives of Every American.' Goodlatte
>says
>
>WASHINGTON, DC-Congressman Bob Goodlatte (R-VA-06) today was elected by the
>House Republican Conference to serve as Chairman of the full House
>Agriculture Committee.
>
>"I am honored to have been chosen to serve in this position of leadership,"
>Goodlatte said. "The work of the Agriculture Committee affects the lives of
>every American. Just in the last session of Congress we addressed a wide
>number of issues ranging from bioterrorism and homeland security to food
>stamps and welfare reform, from conservation and nutrition to forest
>management, trade and rural development. Perhaps the most important work of
>the Agriculture Committee consists of maintaining policies which assure a
>safe, abundant and affordable food supply which is indeed the marvel of the
>world," Goodlatte said.
>
>"Bob's proven track record on the Agriculture Committee is a sure sign that
>he will effectively and efficiently oversee the work of the House in setting
>agriculture policy," said Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert.
>
>Goodlatte served previously as Chairman of the Agriculture Subcommittee on
>Department Operations, Oversight, Nutrition and Forestry. He was an active
>subcommittee chairman, holding fourteen hearings in the 107th Congress
>alone.
>
>A vacancy in the full committee chairmanship arose when Rep. Larry Combest
>(R-TX) announced that he was retiring from the House of Representatives
>effective May 2003, and would not seek reelection in January as Chairman of
>the Committee in the interim months preceding his retirement.
>
>Earlier this week, a 29 member Republican Steering Committee, primarily
>composed of Republican House leadership, interviewed Goodlatte and others
>for the chairmanship. Today, the Steering Committee voted and then made
>their recommendation to the House Republican Conference, which is composed
>of all Republican Members of the House of Representatives. The Republican
>Conference later voted on a slate of chairmen, which included Goodlatte.
>
>"I am pleased that the House Republican Conference has wisely chosen Bob
>Goodlatte to assume the gavel as the next Chairman of theAgriculture
>Committee. Bob has been a leader on a variety of issues and today he
>ascends to a leadership post that will allow him to bring his vision and
>energy to a committee that deals with issues of importance to all
>Americans," stated House Majority Whip Roy Blunt.
>
>Goodlatte represents a heavily agricultural district. Virginia produces a
>diverse array of commodities including livestock, fruit and vegetables among
>them corn, soybeans, grain sorghum, barley, oats, wheat, dairy, minor
>oilseeds, peanuts, cotton and tobacco.
>
>Goodlatte becomes the first House Agriculture Committee Chairman from
>Virginia since John Flannagan who served as Chairman from 1945 to 1947.
>
>"I look forward to assuming this position, and to giving agriculture and
>rural America fair representation and bold leadership in Congress,"
>Goodlatte said.
>
>Goodlatte, age 50, was elected to serve as the Sixth District's Congressman
>in November of 1992. The campaign was his first attempt at public office.
>He was reelected to his sixth term in November of 2002.
>
>He is a graduate of Washington and Lee University School of Law, and his
>undergraduate degree in Government was earned at Bates College in Lewiston,
>Maine.
>
>Before being elected to Congress, Goodlatte served as former Congressman
>Caldwell Butler's District Office Manager from 1977 to 1979, where he was
>responsible for helping folks across the Sixth Congressional District. In
>1979, he founded his own private law practice in Roanoke. He was a partner
>in the law firm of Bird, Kinder and Huffman, working there from 1981 until
>taking office.
>
>In addition to being elected Chairman of the Agriculture Committee,
>Goodlatte also currently serves on the Judiciary Committee and Education and
>the Workforce Committee. Goodlatte is also the co-chair of the
>Congressional Internet Caucus and Chairman of the House Republican High Tech
>Working Group.
>
>###
>
>
>The U.S. House Committee on Agriculture web site
>http://agriculture.house.gov
>has additional information on this and other subjects.
>
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
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74830 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:10am
Subject: RE: Needed one Rear Shock tower post.
4 Wheeler's Supply... call 602-273-7195 and ask for Barry, Simon, or Cole.
Tell them you are with the AZVJC and they'll give you our club discount.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Machew [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 6:58 AM
To: Joe West
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Needed one Rear Shock tower post.
where can i pick up an eliminator from?
--- Joe West <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> Matt,
>
> Are you talking about the shock bar pin? If so... what year and
> model Jeep
> do you have?
> One good way to keep this from happening is to make sure you have the
> correct length shocks installed so
> that excessive force is not being transmitted to the bar pin because
> the
> shock is too short (droop) or too long (compression). Another way to
> prevent the bar pins from breaking is to install a bar pin
> eliminator...
> which will then transmit the shock from your shocks <grin> to the
> body and
> rip a hole in the tub where the bar pin mounts.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> PS. If you have a TJ... I have a bar pin you can have.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt aka Machew <wishmaaker@y...>
> [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:54 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Needed one Rear Shock tower post.
>
>
> Anyone have an old rear shock working or not that they would like to
> donate to my cause. The POS shock post that secures the top of the
> rear shock to the body broke on me this weekend and I am to broke to
> go out and replace the the rears all together. Guess that's
> what I get for going out and buying all 4 and then only replacing the
> fronts and returning the rears...... Any ways if anyone has one they
> are tossing out.. shoot me an email.
>
> Prefer if its not to far out of the way but will drive if I need too.
>
> zip ties control the spark but do nothing for the crappie ride.
>
> I'm around I-10 and Ray during the day and 51 and Thomas in the eves.
>
> Thanks
>
>
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74806 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 8:02pm
Subject: [FS] 99 Built TJ for sale
Price: 24.000
Contact: Mark 928-710-7102 larsenm@erau.edu
1999 Wrangler TJ
30,000mi
4.0L
A/C, Cruise controll, Tilt wheel
AP intake and bored TB
OAWG power wire all around
H4 headlight conversion wih LED running lights
5 Speed AX-15
Steering gear box brace
Rancho steering stabilizer
Custom steering Pitman to knuckle to knuckle.(Effortless steering)
RS 9000 corect length for size of lift
NP231 with JB Conversions slip yoke eliminator
Custom front and rear drive shafts
Front Dana 44 4.56
Rear Ford 9in 4.56 (Both full width and front locked)
37x12.5x15 Super swamper SSR on 15x10 rock crawlers 80% tred left
Skyjacker 8 in coils with tera flex arms(much longer than stock)
Scores a RTI of 920 on a 30 degree ramp
Rubicon express HD track bar and drop bracket
Rear has been converted to leaf spring
Hard Top with dark tinted windows
Full doors
Entire vehicle has been sound deadened with Dynamat
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74807 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 8:04pm
Subject: [FS] Upper doors
Price: 150.00 O.B.O
Contact: Mark larsenm@erau.edu
I have a pair of upper doors camel in color. They are three months old.
74808 From: blooddrive1 <fordlover49@yahoo.com> <fordlover49@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 8:05pm
Subject: Steering Stabilizer for CJ-7
Anyone have a good recomendation for a steering stabilizer set-up
(preferably better then stock) for a CJ-7?
-Mark
74809 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 8:49pm
Subject: White Tanks on Sun.
Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
BIGJP ettrans@msn.com
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74810 From: <cayotedave@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 4:51pm
Subject: Re: [FS] 258 complete motor
I need a good engine for my 1988 wrangler. It now has a carburated 6 cylinder with a rod knock. My truck has only 75k on it but it rolled over before I bought it so it may have ran without oil pressure. Please call me at work after 10:00 am. My phone # is (490)970-8959. Thank You. Let me know what condition and what you want for it.
Sincerely,
David Lindgren.
74811 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 9:57pm
Subject: Fw: White Tanks on Sun.
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM
To: Joey@desertjeep.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
Probably, Big sand wash and huge waterfall, was fun trying but never made it up though the BIG V-notch
----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:27 PM
To: 'Edward Timmsen'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
I may show to watch if you have a few joining you. That area might be interesting with all this rain.
BTW I was out with my neighbor last Sunday exploring the west side of the White Tanks. Those wouldn't happen to be your tracks we saw in a small play area in a large wash would they? We saw some decent obstacles out there.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:50 PM
To: jpclub
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
BIGJP ettrans@msn.com
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74812 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:37pm
Subject: Re: Fw: White Tanks on Sun.
I might be game. I havent heard of this trail before. Where abouts is it at
the whitetanks?
Thanks
Frank
BadAzXJ@m...
>From: "Edward Timmsen" <ettrans@m...>
>To: "jpclub" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:57:46 -0700
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Edward Timmsen
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM
>To: Joey@d...
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>Probably, Big sand wash and huge waterfall, was fun trying but never made
>it up though the BIG V-notch
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: DesertJeep
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:27 PM
>To: 'Edward Timmsen'
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
> I may show to watch if you have a few joining you. That area might be
>interesting with all this rain.
>
>BTW I was out with my neighbor last Sunday exploring the west side of the
>White Tanks. Those wouldn't happen to be your tracks we saw in a small play
>area in a large wash would they? We saw some decent obstacles out there.
>
>Joey K
>93YJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@m...]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:50 PM
>To: jpclub
>Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
>Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller
>rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
>
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74813 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 3:24am
Subject: Re: Fw: White Tanks on Sun.
It is just down road from Firebird about 1/2 mile, Big waterfall at beginning, no out, trail about 1 to 1-1/4 mile long then turn around come out the way you came. The big fall fun to come down
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:37 PM
To: ettrans@msn.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
I might be game. I havent heard of this trail before. Where abouts is it at the whitetanks?
Thanks
Frank
BadAzXJ@msn.com
>From: "Edward Timmsen"
>To: "jpclub"
>Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:57:46 -0700
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Edward Timmsen
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM
>To: Joey@desertjeep.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>Probably, Big sand wash and huge waterfall, was fun trying but never made it up though the BIG V-notch
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: DesertJeep
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:27 PM
>To: 'Edward Timmsen'
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
> I may show to watch if you have a few joining you. That area might be interesting with all this rain.
>
>BTW I was out with my neighbor last Sunday exploring the west side of the White Tanks. Those wouldn't happen to be your tracks we saw in a small play area in a large wash would they? We saw some decent obstacles out there.
>
>Joey K
>93YJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@msn.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:50 PM
>To: jpclub
>Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
>Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
>
>BIGJP ettrans@msn.com
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74814 From: Nick <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1998 9:49am
Subject: Re: Fw: White Tanks on Sun.
2 waterfalls? 1st one is pretty steep, not too bad, 2nd maybe a little steeper but not so high... around the corner from there is the can opener i believe... I never went through _it_... my buddies have had some carnage on that one :) The waterfalls are fun... it was my jeeps "maiden run" after i did the long arm and 38 1/2"s... Have fun!
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: BADAZXJ XJArizona ; jpclub
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
It is just down road from Firebird about 1/2 mile, Big waterfall at beginning, no out, trail about 1 to 1-1/4 mile long then turn around come out the way you came. The big fall fun to come down
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:37 PM
To: ettrans@msn.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
I might be game. I havent heard of this trail before. Where abouts is it at the whitetanks?
Thanks
Frank
BadAzXJ@msn.com
>From: "Edward Timmsen"
>To: "jpclub"
>Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:57:46 -0700
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Edward Timmsen
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM
>To: Joey@desertjeep.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>Probably, Big sand wash and huge waterfall, was fun trying but never made it up though the BIG V-notch
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: DesertJeep
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:27 PM
>To: 'Edward Timmsen'
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
> I may show to watch if you have a few joining you. That area might be interesting with all this rain.
>
>BTW I was out with my neighbor last Sunday exploring the west side of the White Tanks. Those wouldn't happen to be your tracks we saw in a small play area in a large wash would they? We saw some decent obstacles out there.
>
>Joey K
>93YJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@msn.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:50 PM
>To: jpclub
>Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
>Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
>
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74815 From: Nick <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1998 9:59am
Subject: Re: Re: Troy and Sharky comparing......... OUCH!
Well they shouldnt have a problem learning how to "roll over" hahahahah!!!!
Have a good day! *knock on wood*
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: <sharxjeep@c...>
To: <MSA12171@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Troy and Sharky comparing.........
> All I can say is at least they would be offroad puppies...not pavement
> puppies. ooops, did I say that? Not that you drive a pavement pounder or
> anything Mike hahaha Id put ya up against any H2 out there. :)~
>
> Sharky
>
> << Are you sure you want THOSE puppies??? Do you realize who the
> parents will be? Talk about a spoiled litter. I can't even imagine
> what they'd look like. ;)
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> Mike Anderson >>
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74816 From: Edward Timmsen <ettrans@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 4:59am
Subject: Re: Fw: White Tanks on Sun.
Scorpion is about 2-1/2 miles from trail with can opener, can't remember name of that trail
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:49 AM
To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; jpclub; Edward Timmsen
Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
2 waterfalls? 1st one is pretty steep, not too bad, 2nd maybe a little steeper but not so high... around the corner from there is the can opener i believe... I never went through _it_... my buddies have had some carnage on that one :) The waterfalls are fun... it was my jeeps "maiden run" after i did the long arm and 38 1/2"s... Have fun!
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Timmsen
To: BADAZXJ XJArizona ; jpclub
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
It is just down road from Firebird about 1/2 mile, Big waterfall at beginning, no out, trail about 1 to 1-1/4 mile long then turn around come out the way you came. The big fall fun to come down
From: BADAZXJ XJArizona
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:37 PM
To: ettrans@msn.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
I might be game. I havent heard of this trail before. Where abouts is it at the whitetanks?
Thanks
Frank
BadAzXJ@msn.com
>From: "Edward Timmsen"
>To: "jpclub"
>Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:57:46 -0700
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>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Edward Timmsen
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM
>To: Joey@desertjeep.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>Probably, Big sand wash and huge waterfall, was fun trying but never made it up though the BIG V-notch
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: DesertJeep
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:27 PM
>To: 'Edward Timmsen'
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
> I may show to watch if you have a few joining you. That area might be interesting with all this rain.
>
>BTW I was out with my neighbor last Sunday exploring the west side of the White Tanks. Those wouldn't happen to be your tracks we saw in a small play area in a large wash would they? We saw some decent obstacles out there.
>
>Joey K
>93YJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@msn.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:50 PM
>To: jpclub
>Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
>Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
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74817 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 6:11am
Subject: [TR] Technical Workshop - Saturday, January 11, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,
Joe West is leading a Technical Workshop trail run on Saturday, January 11, 2003.
When: Saturday, January 11th, 2003
Where: My Home
Rating: 2.0-
Length: 4 hours
CB Channel:
After the success of the first kill-switch workshop, I have had numerous requests to hold a second workshop. I have picked a date for the second kill-switch workshop a few months out to enable people to sign up over a longer period of time. I will update the information in this run as necessary, but for the most part all of the information you will need is here. The limit for the number of rigs we can fit in my yard and cul-de-sac is 30 so this will be the maximum number of people who can sign up. Please note that YOU will be doing the work in this workshop and I will be guiding, assisting, teaching, and testing your installs (and fixing any problems which may occur).
All short wheel base Jeeps such as Wranglers and CJs, Willys, etc can choose either a kill switch OR a combination hoodlock and kill switch. Since short wheel base Jeeps do not come from the factory with a hood lock, I would recommend people install the combination hood lock kill switch.
All long wheelbase Jeeps such as Grand Cherokees, Cherokees, Wagoneers and other vehicles that already have an INSIDE hood release will only need to purchase a kill switch.
The price for the HoodLock/Kill Switch is $43 and includes everything needed to install the kit.
The price for the kill switch alone is $15, and includes everything you will need to install the switch.
Unfortunately, because of problems I had with purchasing hoodlock/killswitches for people who didn't show and didn't pay (leaving me stuck with the hardware), it will be necessary for people to pay in advance. I will notify people when to pay as the time for me to order the hardware grows closer.
The purpose of this "run" is for me to assist members of this group in installing kill switches in their Jeeps.
The kill switch type will be determined by the year, make, and model of the Jeep being fitted with the switch. For those members with Wranglers/CJs and other SWB Jeeps with no hood locks, I will encourage a group buy of a hood lock kill switch combination. Once I determine how many people sign up and what kind of vehicles they have, I will put together a list of required materials and purchase them for everyone. Individual members can choose what kind of kill switch they want or I will determine it for them based on vehicle type if they have no preference. I will provide all tools and will purchase bulk materials (wires, switches, solder, connectors, electrical tape, zip ties, etc) which everyone will split the cost of. If you are interested, please sign up.
VERY IMPORTANT:
All Participants in the clinic MUST give me the following information:
1. Year and model of vehicle on which we will be installing the kill switch
2. Do you have a FACTORY service manual OR a service manual with wiring schematics for your vehicle?
3. Which of the following tools can you bring: drill, drill bits, wire cutters, metric and/or standard socket set, wire strippers, wire crimpers, nylon ties, electrical tape, soldering iron/solder, long extension cords, multi-outlet adaptors/short extension cords, volt-ohm meters or DVM, blowdryer (for heat-shrink tubing).
VERY VERY IMPORTANT:
The clinic will be held at my home in Mesa Arizona on Saturday morning, January 11th starting at (for now, this may change) 7:30AM. I believe that you can plan on spending a good 4 hours at my home, and hopefully, if everything goes well we will finish around noon on Saturday.
My home address is:
649 S. 30th Circle, Mesa, Arizona 85204.
My home phone is:
(480) 325-9419
My cell phone is:
(602) 524-7632
You can obtain very good directions from Yahoo maps... but a brief set of directions are as follows:
Take 60 headed East and get off on Gilbert Road.
Head North on Gilbert Road (Left) to Broadway Road.
Head East on Broadway (right) to 30th street (30th street is the FIRST residential street you can make a right on just past the light at Lindsay... do not turn into the small community just east of Walgreens.
Head South (right) on 30th Street.
30th Street dead ends in my Cul-De-Sac and my home is the one with all the palm trees in the yard.
PLEASE PLEASE park along 30th street and WALK to my home. The reason that I am asking this is because I want to group like vehicles together to simplify installations. After everyone parks along 30th street, I will have a short meeting on my front porch and then I will ask all YJ owners to go get their vehicles and we will place them in one location in my yard. I will then ask all TJ owners to go get their vehicles and will park them in another location... and so on until all vehicle types are grouped together in my yard or cul-de-sac.
After everyone is grouped together, I will walk everyone through the steps of installing kill switches... and we will work together as a team to get them installed. To avoid having any electrical problems, you will be required to disconnect the positive lead on your battery BEFORE we do any work on your vehicle.
Please plan on bringing a cooler with drinks, cups and/or snacks if you will need them.
I will post this entire post to the "trip" on Azvjc.org if people need to reference it at a later date.
If you have suggestions and you see something I have forgotten, please let me know.
And last but not least, if you would like to come hang out and HELP or just watch and learn... I'm sure we could use all the help we can get. Everyone interested is welcome to show up.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
Technical workshops happen every once in a while and are intended as a "How To" class.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
74818 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:00am
Subject: Fwd: Action Alert - Healthy Forests Initiative - Rulemaking Comments
The below request for action has some important implications for
recreation and property rights. The Health Forests Initiative will
ensure that forests are managed and not left to be tinder boxes for
the types of devastating wildfires fires experienced the past few
years.
It will ensure we do have forests to enjoy.
Please take a couple of minutes and help support the Healthy Forest Initiative.
************************************************
Chris West, Vice President
American Forest Resource Council
503-222-9505
503-222-3255 (F)
<mailto:cwest@a...>cwest@a...
<http://www.afrc.ws>www.afrc.ws
January 8, 2003
TO: AFRC Members and Friends
FROM: Tom Partin
RE: Urgent Action Required - Comments on Bush's
Healthy Forests Initiative
Earlier this week you were sent an Action Alert regarding comments
needed on President Bush's Healthy Forests Initiative. Improving the
health of our forests to reduce the risk of insects, diseases and
catastrophic wildfires is a top priority for President Bush. His
proposals will modernize regulations clearing the way for responsible
management that focuses on protecting forests, watersheds, wildlife
and communities. Your comment letters, as well as your employees',
that express support for the changes President Bush is proposing are
critically important.
Response to date has been extremely disappointing; with just one
hundred individuals sending emails to the respective agency
officials. Noteworthy is the fact that Erickson Air Crane has had
great participation, followed by Boise and Sierra Pacific Industries.
While the latter two companies have about a dozen participants, given
the size of their operations there is still a lot more potential.
We have made it easy for you and your employees to support the
President's Healthy Forests Initiative, you can either
<http://capwiz.com/landsense/issues/alert/?alertid=1157026&type=CU>Click
Here or visit AFRC's website at <http://www.afrc.ws/>www.afrc.ws and
the 'click & send' comment emails can be found under Public
Comment.
For your employees that do not have Internet access, several other
forms of comment such as petitions and postcards are available. For
more information, contact AFRC's Portland office at 503-222-9505.
Remember, in his decision to stand with us and address the forest
health crisis, President Bush has loaned us his own good name and all
of the power that comes with his office. But he needs our strong
support to put his Healthy Forests Initiative on a firm and lasting
foundation.
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
74819 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:07am
Subject: Fwd: CHMN. POMBO - Prop. Rights VICTORY!
There has been speculation as to the new Chairman of the House
Resources Committee. And the winner is......
POMBO NAMED CHAIRMAN: PROPERTY RIGHTS VICTORY !
American Land Rights Association
30218 NE 82nd Avenue, Battle Ground, WA 98604
360-687-3087, fax 360-687-2973
January 8, 2002
Contact: Mike Hardiman
202-210-2357
WASHINGTON, DC - Advocates of private property rights are jubilant at
the selection of Representative Richard Pombo (R-CA) to be Chairman
of the House of Representatives Committee on Resources.
Pombo was named Chairman today by the Republican leadership, which
makes committee assignments and names chairmen. The Resources
committee has jurisdiction over a wide range of issues vitally
important to private property rights and use of the public lands,
including agencies within the Interior Department, the Endangered
Species Act, water, timber, mining and fisheries management.
Here is what some leaders of the property rights movement had to say:
"Richard Pombo is straight from the grassroots. He has been there
for us time and time again in Congress, from adding common sense to
the Endangered Species Act to stopping attempted land grab
legislation to promoting multiple use of federal lands. With Richard
Pombo as chairman, everyone will be heard from and the grassroots
will have a seat at the table."
Chuck Cushman, American Land Rights Association
Battle Ground, Washington
360-607-3312 (cell) <http://www.landrights.org>www.landrights.org
"Representative Pombo has proven his awareness of issues that
property owners face across the country, East and West. He has stood
up for farmers in the mid-west, forest owners in the northeast, and
ranchers in the far west."
Carol LaGrasse, Property Rights Foundation of America
Stony Creek, New York
518-696-5748 <http://www.prfamerica.org>www.prfamerica.org
"Richard Pombo understands how far the federal government has over
reached into the lives of the average American, with no benefit for
people or the environment, just the bureaucracy. I believe he will
work toward restoring a balance. He has earned the chairmanship and
deserves the opportunity."
Henry Lamb, Eco-Logic Foundation
Hollow Rock, Tennessee
731-986-0099 <http://www.freedom.org>www.freedom.org
"This is the most exciting news that private land owners and resource
producers have had in ten years. We know first-hand from experiences
that range from Klamath Falls, Oregon to Dade County, Florida that
Mr. Pombo stands for the rights of small property owners."
G. B. Oliver, Paragon Foundation
Alamogordo, New Mexico
505-434-8998 <http://www.paragonpowerhouse.org>www.paragonpowerhouse.org
"Richard Pombo has always been a staunch advocate for us. I am very
excited about his taking the chairmanship because he believes in the
Fifth Amendment in the same way our founding fathers did."
Patricia Bradburn, Virginians for Property Rights
Catharpin, Virginia
703-754-7900 <mailto:Pbradburn@e...>Pbradburn@e...
"We have a long history of working with Richard Pombo, and are
delighted that he is chairman. This is great news for advocates of
recreational access to our nation's public lands."
Clark Collins, Blue Ribbon Coalition (off-road recreation access)
Pocatello, Idaho
208-237-1008 <http://www.sharetrails.org>www.sharetrails.org
The American Land Rights Association, founded in 1977, is a
nationwide, grassroots organization. Members include farmers,
ranchers, woodlot owners, inholders of private property surrounded by
public lands, cabin permitees and other small landowners supporting
private property rights and multiple use of the federal lands.
END
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
74820 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:15am
Subject: Fwd: New suit challenges air rules in parks snowmobiles
A point to ponder:
Snowmobile engines = Personal Water Craft engines = ATV engines
and are close to motorcycle engines.
Expectations are the environmental organizations will be increasing
the number of lawsuits filed. The BlueRibbon Coalition has been
deeply involved with the snowmobile issue for a number of years.
Please support their Legal Defense Fund. (www.sharetrails.org)
>
><http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?display=rednews/2003/01/09/build/wyoming/a-snomosuit.inc>http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?display=rednews/2003/01/09/build/wyoming/a-snomosuit.inc
>
>New suit challenges air rules in parks
>
>By MIKE STARK
>Gazette Wyoming Bureau
>
>Environmental groups have filed a lawsuit charging that the federal
>government went too easy on snowmobile manufacturers in new
>pollution standards approved in November.
>
>Bluewater Network and Environmental Defense say the Environmental
>Protection Agency violated the federal Clean Air Act by not
>requiring snowmobiles to meet emission standards that are achievable
>by today's technology.
>
>"They are not following the law," said Sean Smith of Bluewater Network.
>
>For the first time ever, the EPA in early November established
>limits on how much pollution will be allowed from snowmobiles. The
>new rules say snowmobiles will have to run 30 percent cleaner within
>four years and meet tougher standards in 2010 and 2012.
>
>
>The regulations are part of a larger movement within the EPA to
>reign in pollution from off-road vehicles and large industrial
>engines.
>
>Smith said the Clean Air Act mandates that federal emission
>standards achieve the greatest degree of reduction based on
>currently available technology.
>
>Most snowmobile manufacturers are already producing four-stroke
>engines that reduce pollution by up to 95 percent. Smith said the
>EPA should have required that snowmobiles meet that standard.
>
>"The technology is already in the dealerships," he said. "We
>definitely think the time frame should be moved up."
>
>The EPA was on the brink of approving tougher standards before the
>Bush administration took office, Smith said.
>
>"I think they're under heavy political pressure to pacify the
>industry," Smith said.
>
>Hours after the environmental groups filed suit in Washington, D.C.,
>federal court, the International Snowmobile Manufacturers
>Association filed legal papers to make sure industry is involved in
>any legal action on the emissions standards.
>
>Ed Klim, president of the ISMA, said the "environmental extremists"
>are simply trying to derail EPA's "ambitious standards and
>aggressive schedule that were based on good science."
>
>He said the snowmobile industry is feeling the crunch of the new
>emission standards but believes they will be able to meet the
>schedule established by EPA.
>
>"It's really a pretty tight time frame compared to other vehicles," Klim said.
>
>The 2003 snowmobile models are finished and 2004 models are under
>way. Eliminating emissions for the 2006 models will be tough, Klim
>said. "When you build vehicles, two years is not much lead time. We
>also have to work in the marketplace to convince people to buy them."
>
>As the environmental groups' lawsuit progresses, Klim said he wants
>the snowmobile industry to be given every opportunity to respond to
>claims that might be raised in court.
>
>"We want to be at the table for every meeting, not every other
>meeting," Klim said.
>
>Cathy Milbourn, an EPA spokeswoman in Washington, D.C., said she
>couldn't respond to the environmental groups' lawsuit because the
>EPA hasn't seen it yet.
>
>But she reaffirmed the EPA's stance that the new emissions
>standards, when they are fully implemented, will remove more than 2
>million tons of pollution from the air every year - the equivalent
>of removing 32 million cars from the road.
>
>Even though some snowmobile makers are already producing cleaner
>machines, Milbourn said the EPA wanted to give the industry time to
>conform to stricter emissions limitations.
>
>"The idea is to provide a reasonable amount of time for the industry
>to comply with the rule," she said.
>
>Although the new emissions rules will apply to snowmobiles across
>the nation, the machines will have to meet tougher standards under a
>new proposal to allow machines into Yellowstone and Grand Teton
>national parks, according to park officials.
>
>The plan, which could be approved later this year, would be phased
>in over upcoming winters.
>
>
>Mike Stark can be reached at (307) 527-7250 or at
><mailto:mstark@b...>mstark@b...
>
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
74821 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:41am
Subject: Fwd: [Faunkybroncys] FEDERAL AGENCIES FAIL IN DESERT TORTOISE RECOVERY
This legal action is in response to the recent GAO report critical of
the USFWS and BLM efforts concerning the Desert Tortoise.
These organizations need your support:
AMA D-37 - http://www.district37ama.org/home.html
California Off Road Vehicle Association (CORVA) - http://www.corva.org/
Off Road Business Association (ORBA) - http://www.orbanet.org/
San Diego Off Road Vehicle Association (SDORC) - http://www.sdorc.org/
FEDERAL AGENCIES FAIL IN DESERT TORTOISE RECOVERY
1/8/03 San Diego. Public land access advocates served a notice of
intent to sue to federal agencies on Wednesday charging that the U.S.
Department of Interior, and its two subordinate agencies, the United
Fish & Wildlife Service (USFWS) and the Bureau of Land Management
(BLM) have knowingly and negligently impeded the recovery of the
desert tortoise since its listing as "threatened" in 1989.
The four organizations, primarily off road groups, claim that the
DOI, USFWS and BLM have failed to take reasonable steps to arrest the
spread of Upper Respiratory Tract Disease (URTD), which is suspected
to be the primary cause of dramatic declines in desert tortoise
populations. The action also cites the agencies' failure to properly
monitor the recovery efforts, and claim the agencies have ignored the
growing body of science that indicates URTD, along with raven
predation, are driving the species rapidly toward extinction
throughout the deserts of California, Arizona, Nevada and Utah.
This action also follows the release of a report from the General
Accounting Office (GAO), which indicates that federal government has
spent over $100 million in the last 12 years trying to protect the
tortoise; with little or no evidence these efforts have made any
difference.
"The DOI efforts to recover the desert tortoise have been an abject
failure.," states David P. Hubbard an environmental attorney who
filed the notice. "Millions of dollars have been expended, and
millions of acres of federal land have been closed off to public use;
yet the tortoise continues to spiral towards extinction."
The filing will heat up the battle between recreationists and those
who want to close the desert to off-road vehicles and campers.
Since 1994, millions of acres of public lands have been closed off
from motorized access, making over 14% of California inaccessible to
the public.
"The federal agencies are being driven to closure decisions by
environmental lawsuits, and fail to consider the science or
economical impact of the communities that are affected.," states
Michelle Cassella of AMA D-37 Sports Committee, the lead organization
in the action. "Recent studies funded in part by off road interests
clearly indicate that in many cases the public has little or no
impact on threatened species. Ironically, it is the trails and
highways in the desert that provide barriers for disease transmission
among tortoise populations."
Other plaintiffs in the action include the California Off Road
Vehicle Association (CORVA), Off Road Business Association (ORBA),
and the San Diego Off Road Vehicle Association (SDORC).
David Hubbard is an environmental and land use attorney with the firm
of Procopio, Cory, Hargreaves & Savitch, LLP located in San Diego,
CA. He represents public land advocates who have filed the 60 Day
Notice of Intent to Sue. (760) 496-0776
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
74822 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:48am
Subject: Fwd: West Mojave Management Plan Update
KERN AND SAN BERNARDINO COUNTIES TO HOLD SCOPING MEETINGS
Bakersfield:
January 9, 2003
2:00 - 4:00 p.m.
Kern County Public Services Building
2700 M" Street
Bakersfield, California
Point of Contact: Lorelei Oviatt, (661) 862-8866
Ridgecrest:
January 10, 2003
9:00 - 11:00 a.m.
City of Ridgecrest Council Chambers
100 W. California Avenue
Ridgecrest, California
Point of Contact: Lorelei Oviatt, (661) 862-8866
San Bernardino:
January 16, 2003
7:00 - 9:00 p.m.
San Bernardino County Museum
2024 Orange Tree Lane
San Bernardino, California
Point of Contact: Randy Scott, (909) 387-4147
The BLM held a series of scoping meetings for the West Mojave Plan
(WMP) in early 2002. At that time it wasn't clear whether the scope of the
project would require evaluation under the provisions of the California
Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). It has now been determined that the
development of a programmatic Environmental Impact Report (EIR) is required
for compliance with the CEQA guidelines. Because the Counties of Kern and
San Bernardino represent the largest implementation areas covered by the
WMP, they will serve as Co-Lead Agencies in the development of the EIR.
The initial step involved in developing the EIR is to determine the
scope of the potential impacts and issues that should be addressed in the
environmental document by holding public meetings to seek input from
stakeholders including responsible agencies, other key agencies,
organizations, private property owners, and interested individuals. Thus,
a series of public scoping meetings will be held by the Kern County
Planning Department and the San Bernardino County Land Use Services
Department.
The Draft EIR is scheduled for release in the spring of 2003. When
completed, the Final EIR, will assess the environmental impacts of a
proposed action and a range of reasonable alternatives (including a "no
action" alternative). Availability of the Draft EIR for public review and
comment will be announced and noticed in the local media.
The WMP involves the management of 3.6 million acres of public land
administered by the BLM and 2.8 million acres of private property. The WMP
is being prepared collaboratively with local, state, and federal agencies
with intent that the WMP serve as a habitat conservation plan (HCP) for the
area. The HCP which will facilitate the issuance of programmatic
incidental take permits by the California Department of Fish and Game and
the United States Fish and Wildlife Service to participating cities,
counties, and private property owners. Included in the HCP are
conservation strategies for the desert tortoise, Mojave ground squirrel,
and other sensitive desert plants and animals. Also included in the HCP
are motorized vehicle road use designations on public lands in the region,
as well as multiple use issues such as livestock grazing, mining, cultural
resources and recreation.
Information regarding the West Mojave Plan is available on the
Internet at http://www.ca.blrn.gov/cdd/wemo.htrnl or from Kern or San
Bernardino County planning departments.
Written comments regarding this ER can be mailed directly to the
counties at the addresses provided below. Because of time limits mandated
by state law, comments must be received at the earliest possible date but
no later than January 25, 2002
Kern County Planning Department
Attention: Lorelei Oviatt
Public Services Building
2700 'M' Street, Suite 100
Bakersfield, CA 93301-2370
County of San Bernardino
Land Use Services Department
Attention: Randy Scott
385 North Arrowhead Avenue
San Bernardino, CA 92415-0182
This information is provided by Ron Schiller, Chairman, High Desert
Multiple Use Coalition. As usual, please feel free to pass this informa
tion on to any other interested parties. Anyone wishing to receive future
information regarding issues related to the management of public lands in
the California Desert should send an e-mail to schiller@r...
and request to be placed on the distribution list. Please print "PLEASE
ADD TO LIST" in the subject line.
--
John Stewart
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74823 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 8:10am
Subject: Fwd: News & Notes for the Politically Motivated Motorcyclists
> February 2003
>
>News & Notes for the Politically Motivated Motorcyclists is a monthly service
>compiled and edited by the AMA Government Relations Staff to keep
>motorcyclists
>informed of happenings around the world. We welcome your news & views. Please
>submit all material to Terry Lee Cook, Government Relations Specialist, 13515
>Yarmouth Drive, Pickerington, OH 43147; fax 614-856-1920 or e-mail to
>tcook@a....
>
>
> Colorado Off-Highway Vehicle Coalition (COHVCO) filed a notice of
>appeal of a
>federal district court decision which allowed the US Forest Service
>to restrict
>motorized travel on 217,000 acres of the Routt National Forest to designated
>roads and trails without first taking an inventory and designating
>open trails.
>COHVCO's case, originally filed in the district court in June of
>1999, will now
>go up to the Tenth Circuit Federal Court of Appeals in Denver.
> At the district court, COHVCO argued that the Forest Service
>failed to comply
>with the Administrative Procedure Act (APA) and the National Forest Management
>Act (NFMA) in its decisions to restrict motorized travel to
>designated routes on
>the Parks and Yampa Ranger Districts in the Routt National Forest. The Forest
>Service originally stated that the restrictions were intended to close
>"illegally constructed or maintained" user-created routes which had
>been created
>by riders following the beaten paths of riders before them. After
>COHVCO pointed
>out that no one had ever actually "constructed" or "maintained" these routes,
>the Forest Service then stated that the restrictions were necessary
>to mitigate
>"adverse impacts to soil, water, and wildlife." However, the Forest Service
>never pointed out just where on the ground these "adverse impacts" were
>occurring.
> The Routt National Forest, located in northwestern Colorado just east of
>Steamboat Springs, straddles the continental divide and covers over
>1.1 million
>acres. The Routt is immensely popular among all types of recreational visitors
>due to its varied terrain, incredible beauty, and ease of access from Denver,
>Ft. Collins, and other cities on the Front Range. Motorized recreation has
>always been one of the Routt's biggest draws.
> COHVCO will ask the Tenth Circuit to review the September 30, 2002
>decision of
>Judge John L. Kane, which said that the Forest Service was not
>required to do a
>route inventory, and that use of off-highway vehicles could be restricted
>whether or not the Forest Service could prove past or current conflicts or
>resource impacts caused by such use.
>
>
> The California Multiple-Use Summit will be held March 22, 2003 in
>Sacramento,
>CA.
> The purpose of this Summit is to bring together representatives from the
>entire multiple-use community in order to identify common problems,
>find common
>solutions, embark upon unified efforts, and resolve possible misunderstandings
>between various interest groups. The Summit will focus on keeping access to
>lands and resources in California. There are no dues; no structure; no taking
>away memberships from anyone; and no political finagling.
> All forms of access-oriented enthusiasts are invited, including but not
>limited to: four wheelers, equestrians, mountain bikers, metal detectors, ATV
>riders, snowmobile riders, off-highway motorcyclists, miners, ranchers, gem
>collectors, racers, dune enthusiasts, sand draggers, rock crawlers, hill
>climbers, back country explorers, hikers, etc.
> For more information go to www.delalbright.com/summit.htm
>
>
>
> Road Causalities Great Britain, just published by the Department of
>Transport, shows that the number of people killed on British roads rose from
>3,409 in 2000 to 3,443 in 2001 despite the rabid increase of speed monitoring
>cameras across the English countryside.
>
>
> American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) government relations staff
>participated in the Forest Roads Working Group dialogue held
>December 3-4, 2002
>in Arlington, Virginia.
> The Forest Roads Working Group (FRWG) is comprised of national conservation
>organizations including: The Izaak Walton League of America, Wildlife Forever,
>Wildlife Management Institute, The Wildlife Society, Trout Unlimited, Outdoor
>Industry Association, Pinchot Institute for Conservation, and International
>Paper (all advocating for implementation of the Clinton era Roadless Area
>Conservation Rule).
> The dialogue, facilitated by the Meridian Institute under contract with the
>FRWG, was attended by 50 representatives of conservation, timber and timber
>product organizations, American Hiking Society, western states
>officials as well
>as Forest Service Chief Bosworth, Mark Rey, David Tenny, David Barone and Gail
>Kimball also of the Forest Service. Staff from both the Senate Public Lands &
>Forests Subcommittee and House Forests & Forest Health Subcommittee
>attended for
>the majority of the meeting. In addition to AMA, motorized
>recreation interests
>were also represented by the Motorcycle Industry Council and the Blue Ribbon
>Coalition.
> The Forest Roads Working Group's Discussion Paper supporting the immediate
>implementation of the Roadless Area Conservation Rule singled out
>OHV recreation
>as a recreational activity destructive of public lands. This paper
>was released
>to dialogue invitees two weeks prior to the dialogue. Recreation
>representatives
>spent considerable time during the first day of the dialogue correcting
>erroneous assertions made by meeting attendees regarding motorized recreation
>and the motorcycle and all-terrain vehicle industry.
> A written summary of the dialogue exchanges will be compiled by the Meridian
>Institute and released for review to dialogue participants. Counsel for the
>Forest Roads Working Group indicated the FRWG will meet to consider
>the content
>of the dialogue and may revise the Discussion Paper based on the information
>learned at the dialogue.
>
>
> The Massachusetts Motorcycle Association will file a class action
>suit against
>the city of Newburyport, after 230 motorcyclists were issued excessive noise
>citations while only three noise complaints were filed by residents over the
>last three years.
> After reviewing more than 1,500 pages of Police Department documents, MMA
>Legislative Director Paul Cote said he is questioning whether motorcyclists'
>civil rights were violated in the city, especially considering that
>some of the
>citations were issued without sound metering equipment. Six-months after the
>MMA's request for police documents, the state Supervisor of Public Records
>ordered the police to release the public documents.
> Cote, an Amesbury resident, said they plan to bring a class action lawsuit
>against the city for an estimated $150,000 -- the amount in damages to some of
>the 230 cited riders over the last three years.
> The citation for excessive noise carries a $50 fine, an
>increased insurance
>premium of 7 percent for six years, and if more than three citations
>are issued,
>the loss of a license for 30 days. The city shares 50 percent of the citation
>fines collected. Cote said he expects to be in court some time in January or
>February.
>
>
>
>
> The Coalition for Recreational Trails, a federation of national and regional
>trail-related organizations including the American Motorcyclist
>Association, has
>announced its fifth annual Achievement Awards. The Coalition's awards program
>was established to recognize outstanding trail projects funded by the national
>Recreational Trails Program (RTP).
> The awards will be presented in Washington, D.C. on June 12 during Great
>Outdoors Week 2003 (June 9-13) as part of the Coalition's ongoing effort to
>build awareness and appreciation of the RTP, a highly successful program that
>has greatly enhanced the quantity and quality of trail experiences
>available to
>the public. The awards ceremony will be held on Capitol Hill and Members of
>Congress will be encouraged to join the Coalition in honoring the outstanding
>achievements of their constituents.
> Award winners will be selected from projects nominated by public agencies,
>trail administrators or other project sponsors and will reflect the
>diversity of
>trail activities that receive RTP funding. To be eligible for recognition, a
>project must be complete and must have received RTP funding since 1998. Award
>categories include: construction and design; maintenance and rehabilitation;
>education and communication; accessibility enhancement; multiple-use
>management
>or "corridor sharing"; environment/wildlife compatibility; and use of youth
>conservation/service corps.
> The Coalition for Recreational Trails and AMA invites trail
>administrators,
>agencies and project sponsors to nominate an outstanding project in
>one or more
>of the above categories and/or to encourage the sponsor(s) of an excellent
>project to submit a nomination as well.
> Nomination forms are available directly from the Coalition at (202) 682-9530
>or arc@f...). The form and any supporting materials, including
>pictures, should be sent by March 14, 2003 to Alicia L. Knight, Legislative
>Counsel, American Horse Council, 1616 H Street, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20006.
>Questions should be directed to Ms. Knight at 202-296-4031 or via e-mail at
>Aknight@h.... Winners will be notified no later than
>April 21, 2003.
>
>
> Texas Department of Agriculture Commissioner Susan Combs in concert with
>property, environmental and agricultural interest groups unveiled proposed
>legislation to prohibit motor vehicle access to the state's waterways. The
>legislation being proposed is based on recommendations made by a
>Texas Parks and
>Wildlife led taskforce of "riverbed stakeholders".
> Three separate bills have been introduced to prohibit off-highway vehicle
>access to riverbeds. Senate bill 155, introduced by Senator Judith
>Zaffirini (D
>? Laredo), and house bill 305, introduced by Representative Robert Puente (D ?
>San Antonio) would prohibit the operation motor vehicles in the
>"bottom, bed, or
>bank of any navigable river or stream". House bill 206, also introduced by
>Representative Puente, would grant river authorities the power to prohibit
>"vehicular access to and use of the beds and banks of the state-owned
>watercourses". All three bills would exempt adjacent upland property owners
>from any new vehicular prohibitions.
> Senate bill 155 and house bills 206 and 305 are posted on the StateWatch
>section of the "Protecting Your Right to Ride" page of AMADirectLink.com.
>Concerned motorcycle and all-terrain vehicle enthusiasts can use the Rapid
>Response feature of the website to identify and contact their state
>legislators.
>
>
>
>
>
> Shanghai, China officials, in an effort to reduce air pollution,
>have proposed
>to ban all 789,000 motorcycles (55 percent of all traffic) from
>operating within
>the city.
>
>
> San Francisco, CA Board of Supervisors approved a measure to try to ease
>motorcyclists' parking woes in the city. Introduced by Supervisor
>Matt Gonzales,
>at the request of the San Francisco Motorcycle and Scooter Coalition, the new
>law calls for cars to be towed if they're parked in motorcycle spots. The law
>also requires city traffic officials to consider designating a space as
>motorcycle parking before making it a no-parking zone.
>
>
> California's Coastal Commission was declared unconstitutional December 30,
>2002 by a state appeals court in Sacramento. Among the commission's many
>responsibilities is a yearly review of the conditional use permit for Oceano
>Dunes. The commission was found to violate the California Constitution's
>separation of powers provision because eight of its 12 members are
>appointed by
>and serve at the pleasure of legislative leaders, even though
>commissioners make
>mostly executive and judicial decisions.
>
>
> New Jersey Assembly Bill 3047 (A3047), sponsored by Assemblywoman
>Connie Myers
>(R ? Washington) and Assemblyman Joseph Azzolina (R ? Middletown), authorizes
>the Division of Motor Vehicles to issue special veterans' license plates
>designed for motorcycles to honorably discharged veterans. A $15
>application fee
>would be required in addition to the regular registration fee. Letters in
>support of A3047 should be sent to The Honorable John Wisniewski, Chairman,
>Assembly Transportation Committee, State House Annex, P.O. Box 068,
>Trenton, NJ
>08625-0068.
>
>
> South Carolina Senate Bill 32 (S32), introduced by John Knotts,
>Jr. (R - West
>Columbia), authorizes a Purple Heart recipient special motor vehicle license
>plate for use on motorcycles. Letters of support should be sent to
>The Honorable
>W. Greg Ryberg, Chairman, Senate Transportation Committee, 203
>Gressette Bldg.,
>P.O. Box 142, Columbia, SC 29202.
>
>
> Pennsylvania Assembly Bill 2993 (HB2993), introduced by
>Representative Richard
>Geist (R ? Altoona), provides for a one-year suspension of operating
>privileges
>for certain offenses related to motor vehicles. It also levies a
>$500 fine for
>those convicted of careless driving. Your letters of support should be sent to
>The Honorable Richard Geist, Chairman, House Transportation Committee, Capitol
>Bldg., House Box 202020, Harrisburg, PA 17120-2020.
>
>
> Washington State Senator Jim Horn (R-Mercer Island) has been chosen to chair
>the Senate Transportation Committee. Senator Horn, a long time
>motorcyclist and
>HOG member, has been a consistent advocate for motorcyclists during
>his time in
>the legislature.
>
>
> Carefree, Arizona city officials have adopted ordinance 2002-14,
>revising the
>town code to prohibit "Noise of such a character, intensity or
>duration as to be
>detrimental to the life, health or well-being of any individual, or to
>unreasonably disturb the peace and quiet of a neighborhood, family or person."
> This proposed ordinance specifically outlines motor vehicles, including
>motorcycles, in the arbitrary criteria for enforcement and levy of fines
>starting at $175.00 up to $2,500.00 with 180 days of imprisonment.
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
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74824 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...> <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 8:26am
Subject: Wanted Compressor
I'm looking for a decent air compressor for my garage to run air
tools... I finally am going to break down and buy one, wanted to see
if anyone on the list was selling one before I go out and pick on
up! -Rob
74825 From: dadecamp <dadecamp@e...> <dadecamp@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 8:36am
Subject: Land Use Permits
Hi,
I'm new to this group and fairly new to AZ. I have a trail
book, "Arizona Backcountry Adventures". It mentions that permits
may be required but does not say where to bet them! It's "Box
Canyon" trail is one that it says needs a permit. Where am I
suppose to get one and are the an annual permit?
Thanks,
DAD
74826 From: onebdjeep <onebdjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 8:50am
Subject: Re: Wanted Compressor
I don't have one for sale but my old man always boasts about the prices at
harbor freight. Has anyone gotten one from there and had any luck. My old
man picked a pretty nice one up a few years back and it hasn't given him any
problems... it was about half the price as the same size at Sears and Home
Depot at the time.
----- Original Message -----
From: <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:26 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wanted Compressor
> I'm looking for a decent air compressor for my garage to run air
> tools... I finally am going to break down and buy one, wanted to see
> if anyone on the list was selling one before I go out and pick on
> up! -Rob
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
74827 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:00am
Subject: Re: Land Use Permits
Here you go DAD:
The permits are good for one year from date of purchase and available from:
Sandee McCullen
east valley near Val Vista & Southern
480.832.8132 / mccullen@w...
4-Wheeler Supply
35th St. & Washington, Phx
Driven Auto Parts
35th AVENUE, south of Van Buren
Arizona State Land Dept.
1616 W. Adams, Phx
Public Lands Information Center
222 N. Central Avenue, Phx
(corner of Central & Van Buren)
HTH
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
"dadecamp " wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm new to this group and fairly new to AZ. I have a trail
> book, "Arizona Backcountry Adventures". It mentions that permits
> may be required but does not say where to bet them! It's "Box
> Canyon" trail is one that it says needs a permit. Where am I
> suppose to get one and are the an annual permit?
> Thanks,
> DAD
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
74828 From: blt4rox <blt4rox@e...> <blt4rox@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:03am
Subject: Re: Fw: White Tanks on Sun.
I think the trail with the supposed can opener obstacle on the second
waterfall is actually called "Intimidator" although, I'm not sure
why. It's not really worth the drive out there for 2 obstacles.
What's the "Scorpion" trail like?
Sean
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Timmsen" <ettrans@m...> wrote:
>
> Scorpion is about 2-1/2 miles from trail with can opener, can't
remember name of that trail
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nick
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:49 AM
> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; jpclub; Edward Timmsen
> Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
> 2 waterfalls? 1st one is pretty steep, not too bad, 2nd maybe a
little steeper but not so high... around the corner from there is
the can opener i believe... I never went through _it_... my buddies
have had some carnage on that one :) The waterfalls are fun... it
was my jeeps "maiden run" after i did the long arm and 38 1/2"s...
Have fun!
>
> Nick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edward Timmsen
> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona ; jpclub
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
>
> It is just down road from Firebird about 1/2 mile, Big waterfall at
beginning, no out, trail about 1 to 1-1/4 mile long then turn around
come out the way you came. The big fall fun to come down
> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:37 PM
> To: ettrans@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
>
>
> I might be game. I havent heard of this trail before. Where abouts
is it at the whitetanks?
>
> Thanks
>
> Frank
> BadAzXJ@m...
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Edward Timmsen" <ettrans@m...>
> >To: "jpclub" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
> >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:57:46 -0700
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Edward Timmsen
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM
> >To: Joey@d...
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
> >
> >Probably, Big sand wash and huge waterfall, was fun trying but
never made it up though the BIG V-notch
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: DesertJeep
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:27 PM
> >To: 'Edward Timmsen'
> >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
> >
> > I may show to watch if you have a few joining you. That area
might be interesting with all this rain.
> >
> >BTW I was out with my neighbor last Sunday exploring the west side
of the White Tanks. Those wouldn't happen to be your tracks we saw in
a small play area in a large wash would they? We saw some decent
obstacles out there.
> >
> >Joey K
> >93YJ
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Edward Timmsen [mailto:ettrans@m...]
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:50 PM
> >To: jpclub
> >Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks on Sun.
> >
> >
> >Want to know if anybody wants to run Scorpion trail on sun. Meet
at Miller rd. at I-10 around 9:00am
> >
> >BIGJP ettrans@m...
> >
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74829 From: John Stewart <landuse@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:08am
Subject: Fwd: WALL: Fw: GOODLATTE ELECTED CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE
This new chairmanship selection seems to have really upset the
radical environmental community. Goodlatte is a supporter of
President Bush's "Healthy Forest Initiative".
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "AgPress" <AgPress@m...>
>To: "News Distribution" <news@a...>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:08 PM
>
>
>Subject: GOODLATTE ELECTED CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>Wednesday, January 8, 2003
>
>Media Contact:
>Elyse Bauer or Brent Gattis (202) 225-2171
>
>
>GOODLATTE ELECTED CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE
>
>'The Work of the Committee Affects the Lives of Every American.' Goodlatte
>says
>
>WASHINGTON, DC-Congressman Bob Goodlatte (R-VA-06) today was elected by the
>House Republican Conference to serve as Chairman of the full House
>Agriculture Committee.
>
>"I am honored to have been chosen to serve in this position of leadership,"
>Goodlatte said. "The work of the Agriculture Committee affects the lives of
>every American. Just in the last session of Congress we addressed a wide
>number of issues ranging from bioterrorism and homeland security to food
>stamps and welfare reform, from conservation and nutrition to forest
>management, trade and rural development. Perhaps the most important work of
>the Agriculture Committee consists of maintaining policies which assure a
>safe, abundant and affordable food supply which is indeed the marvel of the
>world," Goodlatte said.
>
>"Bob's proven track record on the Agriculture Committee is a sure sign that
>he will effectively and efficiently oversee the work of the House in setting
>agriculture policy," said Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert.
>
>Goodlatte served previously as Chairman of the Agriculture Subcommittee on
>Department Operations, Oversight, Nutrition and Forestry. He was an active
>subcommittee chairman, holding fourteen hearings in the 107th Congress
>alone.
>
>A vacancy in the full committee chairmanship arose when Rep. Larry Combest
>(R-TX) announced that he was retiring from the House of Representatives
>effective May 2003, and would not seek reelection in January as Chairman of
>the Committee in the interim months preceding his retirement.
>
>Earlier this week, a 29 member Republican Steering Committee, primarily
>composed of Republican House leadership, interviewed Goodlatte and others
>for the chairmanship. Today, the Steering Committee voted and then made
>their recommendation to the House Republican Conference, which is composed
>of all Republican Members of the House of Representatives. The Republican
>Conference later voted on a slate of chairmen, which included Goodlatte.
>
>"I am pleased that the House Republican Conference has wisely chosen Bob
>Goodlatte to assume the gavel as the next Chairman of theAgriculture
>Committee. Bob has been a leader on a variety of issues and today he
>ascends to a leadership post that will allow him to bring his vision and
>energy to a committee that deals with issues of importance to all
>Americans," stated House Majority Whip Roy Blunt.
>
>Goodlatte represents a heavily agricultural district. Virginia produces a
>diverse array of commodities including livestock, fruit and vegetables among
>them corn, soybeans, grain sorghum, barley, oats, wheat, dairy, minor
>oilseeds, peanuts, cotton and tobacco.
>
>Goodlatte becomes the first House Agriculture Committee Chairman from
>Virginia since John Flannagan who served as Chairman from 1945 to 1947.
>
>"I look forward to assuming this position, and to giving agriculture and
>rural America fair representation and bold leadership in Congress,"
>Goodlatte said.
>
>Goodlatte, age 50, was elected to serve as the Sixth District's Congressman
>in November of 1992. The campaign was his first attempt at public office.
>He was reelected to his sixth term in November of 2002.
>
>He is a graduate of Washington and Lee University School of Law, and his
>undergraduate degree in Government was earned at Bates College in Lewiston,
>Maine.
>
>Before being elected to Congress, Goodlatte served as former Congressman
>Caldwell Butler's District Office Manager from 1977 to 1979, where he was
>responsible for helping folks across the Sixth Congressional District. In
>1979, he founded his own private law practice in Roanoke. He was a partner
>in the law firm of Bird, Kinder and Huffman, working there from 1981 until
>taking office.
>
>In addition to being elected Chairman of the Agriculture Committee,
>Goodlatte also currently serves on the Judiciary Committee and Education and
>the Workforce Committee. Goodlatte is also the co-chair of the
>Congressional Internet Caucus and Chairman of the House Republican High Tech
>Working Group.
>
>###
>
>
>The U.S. House Committee on Agriculture web site
>http://agriculture.house.gov
>has additional information on this and other subjects.
>
--
John Stewart
Director, Environmental Affairs, UFWDA, http://www.ufwda.org
Recreation Access and Conservation Editor, http://www.4x4wire.com
Webmaster, Tierra del Sol 4x4: http://www.tds4x4.com
Webmaster, Jeep-L: http://www.jeep-l.net
74830 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:10am
Subject: RE: Needed one Rear Shock tower post.
4 Wheeler's Supply... call 602-273-7195 and ask for Barry, Simon, or Cole.
Tell them you are with the AZVJC and they'll give you our club discount.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Machew [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 6:58 AM
To: Joe West
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Needed one Rear Shock tower post.
where can i pick up an eliminator from?
--- Joe West <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> Matt,
>
> Are you talking about the shock bar pin? If so... what year and
> model Jeep
> do you have?
> One good way to keep this from happening is to make sure you have the
> correct length shocks installed so
> that excessive force is not being transmitted to the bar pin because
> the
> shock is too short (droop) or too long (compression). Another way to
> prevent the bar pins from breaking is to install a bar pin
> eliminator...
> which will then transmit the shock from your shocks <grin> to the
> body and
> rip a hole in the tub where the bar pin mounts.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> PS. If you have a TJ... I have a bar pin you can have.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt aka Machew <wishmaaker@y...>
> [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:54 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Needed one Rear Shock tower post.
>
>
> Anyone have an old rear shock working or not that they would like to
> donate to my cause. The POS shock post that secures the top of the
> rear shock to the body broke on me this weekend and I am to broke to
> go out and replace the the rears all together. Guess that's
> what I get for going out and buying all 4 and then only replacing the
> fronts and returning the rears...... Any ways if anyone has one they
> are tossing out.. shoot me an email.
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> Prefer if its not to far out of the way but will drive if I need too.
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> zip ties control the spark but do nothing for the crappie ride.
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> I'm around I-10 and Ray during the day and 51 and Thomas in the eves.
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> Thanks
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