Final vote thread for "Hardcore Section"

[lancetkenyon]

OK folks, this is the final vote, as I have heard from some people they wanted to change their vote. Please, if you have questions or concerns, use the old thread, as I will be keeping an eye on it too. Leave this for a vote thread only. Only going to be 2 choices.....for it or against it. If you are not against it, even if you are not ready or will never be ready(2 years ago I would have said I would never be ready for it), please vote "yes". If you are steadfastly against it, please vote "no". Thanks for all the discussions and concerns. On this thread, I would like to get at least 5 names of people who should be nominated to be on the "Board of Horror...I mean Honor" to be the governing board or officials or whatever we want to call it. Again, minimum requirements will be in effect, but can be offset by ability if you do not meet all the requirements. A "qualifying run" will be put on periodically to allow newer members that have not been "vouched for", to get their foot in the door. There are probably at least 100 members here that I have wheeled with, but many more I have not run with. Remember.....Minimum requirements and seat time will be the determining factors here, not who you know. Looking forward to getting the ball rolling(not my rig for a change).

I forgot to add the poll on the other thread, sorry.

[terron gregg]

yes

[Antman]

yes

[1eagle]

YES, Bring it on. Thanks Lance for getting this rolling.

[lancetkenyon]

Of course, I voted YES also.

[lancetkenyon]

Nominations anyone? I am personally staying out of casting my votes, but I have a few people in mind.

[terron gregg]

i too am going to stay away haven't wheeled long enough with anybody to make a good call for a nomination

[lancetkenyon]

i too am going to stay away haven't wheeled long enough with anybody to make a good call for a nomination

Thanks for the honesty.

[TomHatch]

Lance, if no one else will, I'll nominate you. Might as well see over what you've instigated. I also would like to see Rich involved.

[1eagle]

I second Lance and Rich, I also want to throw BLKRUBY (Cliff), Drew(Drewdog) and 1BLKJP (Jack) and from the North area Antman (Bill),

[Antman]

ok, If I have to, I'll nominate Rich,(RoknRich). If he'll behave.:sifone:

[xjstocker]

yes, if not now, then soon.

[scully]

I voted yes, does this mean I'm hardcore?:aagh:

Even if he doesn't want it, I nominate Rich (RoknRich). More than likely he has wheeled with every person that has set foot in FJ and knows that area quite well. I think he'd be a good at judging skill/rig level for us eastsiders.

Sorry Rich!:whistling:


EDIT: You guys type to fast, or I'm to slow!

[lancetkenyon]

I voted yes, does this mean I'm hardcore?:aagh:

Even if he doesn't want it, I nominate Rich (RoknRich). More than likely he has wheeled with every person that has set foot in FJ and knows that area quite well. I think he'd be a good at judging skill/rig level for us eastsiders.

Sorry Rich!:whistling:


EDIT: You guys type to fast, or I'm to slow!

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[mingoglia]

Okay, let's get this rollin.... I of course voted yes...

[xjstocker]

mike after this weekend we all know that you are hardcore:D

[lancetkenyon]

mike after this weekend we all know that you are hardcore:D

Wrong kind of "hardcore". The trail is X....not XXX.

[mingoglia]

mike after this weekend we all know that you are hardcore:D

Yeah, my wife is now accusing me of going to a male strip club because yesterday morning I through out my back shortly after chopping a 20' section of 3/8" steel in the ironworker.... She says that I've been walking around like I got it in the "you know what" while in Vegas and that's why I'm walking like this. I finally got sick of being in the house so I self medicated and did what any rational person would do while on medication.... I went out in the garage and welded for a couple of hours. :mickey:

[scully]

It........................................is...... ..........................................O....... .............................K.................... .................Bryan,........................... ..................we.............................. ..all.............................are............. ..................sometimes. Was that too fast?


Ouch, that hurts Lance. And yes, that was too fast.:p

[lancetkenyon]

Ouch, that hurts Lance. And yes, that was too fast.:p

Sorry bud.:angel:

[scully]

Sorry bud.:angel:


No worries...

Glad you got this rolling, this should help the VJC on many levels.

[Billy 4 hp]

Before I vote, will the hardcore area become a reality or is this just another thread that goes nowhere???

[WalterD]

I vote Joe Daro he knows the trails.

[ROKCRLR]

I voted yes and I'd suggest Lance, RoknRich and mingoglia.:fashizzle:

[WalterD]

How many and who here are capable of the " Hardcore " title?

[lancetkenyon]

Before I vote, will the hardcore area become a reality or is this just another thread that goes nowhere???

Not sure, I do not run the board. Votes might help though.

[lancetkenyon]

How many and who here are capable of the " Hardcore " title?

See the min reqs on the other thread........

[Billy 4 hp]

How many and who here are capable of the " Hardcore " title?

I guess it's how "they" define hardcore.... We all know who the "fearless folks are" such as Lance, Daro and Woody who practically flop at will, but I also respect the guy just as much who can get through LT, Predator, Ajax Mine unscathed....

I guess it all depends who the "nominated folks" are and what they determine hardcore is or isn't....

Oops, Lance answered it for me....

See the min reqs on the other thread........


I personally am not shooting for the hard core club, just yet.... But feel it might bring some credibility to the AZVJC that it sorely needs, cuz right now it's a joke in the four wheeling community...

JMHO.....

[AZLugz]

I voted yes too and I also will abstain from voting on officials also but Lance and Rich do sound like good choices




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[probable cause]

i voted yes. the people i'm nominating for i've wheeled with at least a couple times. lance (lance kenyon) and cliff (blkruby), drew (drewdog).

[lancetkenyon]

I guess it's how "they" define hardcore.... We all know who the "fearless folks are" such as Lance, Daro and Woody who practically flop at will, but I also respect the guy just as much who can get through LT, Predator, Ajax Mine unscathed....

I guess it all depends who the "nominated folks" are and what they determine hardcore is or isn't....

Oops, Lance answered it for me....




I personally am not shooting for the hard core club, just yet.... But feel it might bring some credibility to the AZVJC that it sorely needs, cuz right now it's a joke in the four wheeling community...

JMHO.....

Been through those trails numerous times WITHOUT flopping or body damage. But I really push the limits of my rig, to see how far it will go. Same with Joe and Rick(Woody). There are trails out there that body damage/breakage is almost guarenteed though, and those are the 4.5-5.0 trails. I have also seen trashed rigs that are due to not knowing how to drive. There is a difference between driving skills and stupidity....and I cross them sometimes. But you never know how far your rig can go unless you test it, and when that happens, sometimes you flunk the test.

[ROKCRLR]

Duh, I forgot about Joe Daro, I'd nominate him as well.

[Billy 4 hp]

See the min reqs on the other thread........

Originally Posted by lancetkenyon
A personal preference for the qualifications:

35s
locked F/R
winch
upgraded axles(D30 OK with Alloys, NO d35s!)
Gear reduction(deeper than stock or a 4 to 1 t-case)
upgraded suspension components 3"?(can't really say "lift", because I know guys who wheel stock height with 37s and a bellyup)
spare parts and tools(a knowledge of how to use them helps too)
SEAT TIME!!!(previously run 4.0+ trails, more than once a year)
Exceptions can always be made due to performance. (like the "lift" example) I could concievably see a "vote in" process, but that is up to Joe.

I also really like the private sections, the higher you get, the more access you have. Tech stuff should stay there, same with all the other sections(pics, sponsors, vendors, etc).

Just a refresher...

[Kelly P]

voted: yes
nominate: Flexyxj (Joe D.), Drewdog, Blkruby (Cliff), Lance

[Billy 4 hp]

Been through those trails numerous times WITHOUT flopping or body damage. But I really push the limits of my rig, to see how far it will go. Same with Joe and Rick(Woody). There are trails out there that body damage/breakage is almost guarenteed though, and those are the 4.5-5.0 trails. I have also seen trashed rigs that are due to not knowing how to drive. There is a difference between driving skills and stupidity....and I cross them sometimes. But you never know how far your rig can go unless you test it, and when that happens, sometimes you flunk the test.

Well aware of that, wasn't trying to zero in on ANYONE being a bounce it off the canyon walls, throttle jockey kind of a driver, as you know first hand, driver capability and knowledge of ones vehicle is one of the biggest factors on a 4.0 and up trail. I am just hoping that to be considered "hardcore" you don't have to be a member of the "on it's roof" club.... If it happens it happens, but I remember back to the days of a young Randy Ellis who had daily goals on how many times he was going to roll his old CJ5 over on a given trail.... To me that was just silly and something I don't think makes you "hard core"... But the reality of the situation is if you run these kinds of trails, sooner or later you WILL get some body damage and will probably end up on your side regardless of who's spotting you or what precautions you take... It's just gonna happen...

That being said (and like you have touched on), I believe the hardcore part lies much more on the driver than the machine (but the machine does have to be at least capable). How many times have you seen an overbuilt rig broken or worse because the nut behind the wheel had no clue on what they are doing? I bet more than once... Just because you have a $30k limit on your credit card doesn't mean your ready for this kind of wheeling...

And like you also touched on, I am a HUGE proponent that a hardcore wheeler knows basic repairs and has the tools and parts with them to get the job done. Just sitting on your rearend and watching someone else fix your rig is so far from hardcore it's not even funny....


JMHO

[lancetkenyon]

Well aware of that, wasn't trying to zero in on ANYONE being a bounce it off the canyon walls, throttle jockey kind of a driver, as you know first hand, driver capability and knowledge of ones vehicle is one of the biggest factors on a 4.0 and up trail. I am just hoping that to be considered "hardcore" you don't have to be a member of the "on it's roof" club.... If it happens it happens, but I remember back to the days of a young Randy Ellis who had daily goals on how many times he was going to roll his old CJ5 over on a given trail....

That being said (and like you have touched on), I believe the hardcore part lies much more on the driver than the machine (but the machine does have to be at least capable). How many times have you seen an overbuilt rig broken or worse because they nut behind the wheel had no clue on what they are doing? I bet more than once... Just because you have a $30k limit on your credit card doesn't mean your ready for this kind of wheeling...

And like you also touched on, I am a HUGE proponent that a hardcore wheeler knows basic repairs and has the tools and parts with them to get the job done. Just sitting on your rearend and watching someone else fix your rig is so far from hardcore it's not even funny....


JMHO

Very well put, on all accounts.

[Tom Jacobson]

You had roughly 100 total votes in the other thread. All but 17 were "yes" votes. What more do you want/need? Does it need to be unanimous? If so, maybe I'll wait to cast my vote! ;-)

Muwahahahahahah!!!!!!

J/K...FINE...you'll get a YES from me. Doesn't mean my concerns are gone. Not by a long shot. But those concerns shouldn't stop you/us/whoever from giving this a shot. Am sure the Board Members will share every bit the love I have for this hobby...and come up with a good plan and criteria. It's in the best interest of everyone, right?!?!?

Rock on!
Tom

[lancetkenyon]

You had roughly 100 total votes in the other thread. All but 17 were "yes" votes. What more do you want/need? Does it need to be unanimous? If so, maybe I'll wait to cast my vote! ;-)

Muwahahahahahah!!!!!!

J/K...FINE...you'll get a YES from me. Doesn't mean my concerns are gone. Not by a long shot. But those concerns shouldn't stop you/us/whoever from giving this a shot. Am sure the Board Members will share every bit the love I have for this hobby...and come up with a good plan and criteria. It's in the best interest of everyone, right?!?!?

Rock on!
Tom

Want some cake?

[Fire Ball]

I'm torn on this vote, explain to me again why we need a section only for hard core trails and what is the good it does for the majority not just the minority?

Not trying to be a smart azz, I really am confused here what the need is to segregate this site.

I'm not even trying to start a debate, if someone can even PM it would be cool...

[RokNRich]

Originally Posted by lancetkenyon
A personal preference for the qualifications:

35s
locked F/R
winch
upgraded axles(D30 OK with Alloys, NO d35s!)
Gear reduction(deeper than stock or a 4 to 1 t-case)
upgraded suspension components 3"?(can't really say "lift", because I know guys who wheel stock height with 37s and a bellyup)
spare parts and tools(a knowledge of how to use them helps too)
SEAT TIME!!!(previously run 4.0+ trails, more than once a year)
Exceptions can always be made due to performance. (like the "lift" example) I could concievably see a "vote in" process, but that is up to Joe.

I also really like the private sections, the higher you get, the more access you have. Tech stuff should stay there, same with all the other sections(pics, sponsors, vendors, etc).

Sounds good, another thing we should add is they should be active on the board and the trail. I know there alot more "hardcore" wheelers out there that only lurk or don't post on here at all. Just like we shouldn't have moderators that don't wheel, we shouldn't have inactive wheelers in the subforum. Someone should have actually wheeled with you before being admitted as well. (And don't tell me there are never any good runs posted, there were two in Florence this weekend with small turnouts) I would imagine that once we get some cool "hardcore" runs set up more and more will be interested and contribute.

EDIT: After checking the other thread, need to make a comment about spotters. "hardcore" wheelers don't use spotters about 95% of the time. :punk:


As far as nominations go, some geographical areas would be good as well as being an active poster, I'm guessing that's why my name came up, I'm just trying to keep up with the Joneses.........

Lance

Westside Guru
TM Guru
Eastside Guru
Points North Guru

Oh yeah, I voted yes. :)

[Tom Jacobson]

Sure...but not too much frosting. An edge piece, but not a corner. ;-)

BTW..what kind of stupid saying is that anyway??? "You want to have your cake and eat it, too"??

Well, no kidding! What the hell idiot only wants a piece of cake but is not gonna eat it?!?!?

;-)

[RokNRich]

All of my socks voted YES too. :)

[ssaxman]

Voted yes. Will be interesting to see the final requirements - sanity check anyone? :aagh::aagh::aagh:

[jpotts]

I hope this poll actually gets something going...

[Cronoh]

Sorry, what happened to the 3.0-4.0 section too? :[

[yellow_X]

I voted yes, I am to new to this group to nominate anyone yet

[TwistedXJ]

yes

[Rioshilo]

I vote yes.

[Fire Ball]

Following the logic of the new forum, shouldn't the whole site be closed to outsiders? Most of the trails we run, from 1.0 up to the 4.0's ive run are all being taken over by people who shouldn't be on them.

I agree with the idea of keeping areas of the desert and trails secret to prevent abuse but I don't agree with segregating THIS site for the purpose.

I'm not voting yes or no because it is up to Joe. If he wants to take the time to do this then so be it.

Oh and sorry Joe, I don't believe you are qualified to be forum moderator let alone owner because you aren't out wheeling enough :)

[azcharlie]

I voted yes. I really hope this happens!

[offroadaz]

voted yes, hope to be ready for them by summer

[Antman]

Hey! I thought the discussion was to be over on the other thread!:pinch:

[SHNIPE]

Voted yes.

Nominations: 1eagle Roger, Drewdog, RokNRichface, Lance, Yjunk, 1JACKJP, Syota

Trying to mix it up and keep the more common cliques from all being nominated together. Figure thats a good mix of the major groups of wheelers.

[Stone Dragon]

I think this is a good idea. It is good to have an "area" where the more experienced wheeler can talk about stuff and things. However, the entire area shouldn't be "closed off" to the rest of the club. Most of the hardcore people are, out of necessity, some of the best mechanics and fabricators out there. Their experience is a great asset to the less experienced members. To close off pics and tech talk just makes it into a click and will evenually turn it into a popularity contest.

[Skii4x4]

Voted yes.

Nominations: 1eagle Roger, Drewdog, RokNRichface, Lance, Yjunk, 1JACKJP, Syota

Trying to mix it up and keep the more common cliques from all being nominated together. Figure thats a good mix of the major groups of wheelers.

x2

I dont know all of them but I agree with this statement.

[mingoglia]

I think this is a good idea. It is good to have an "area" where the more experienced wheeler can talk about stuff and things. However, the entire area shouldn't be "closed off" to the rest of the club. Most of the hardcore people are, out of necessity, some of the best mechanics and fabricators out there. Their experience is a great asset to the less experienced members. To close off pics and tech talk just makes it into a click and will evenually turn it into a popularity contest.

Once again. This has been asked dozens of times. Actually, probably more often than dozens. This area is going to primarily be a spot to organize runs. Tech, write ups, and pics from runs will still be posted for all to see elsewhere.

[amber.hodge]

Yes. Someday we'll make the qualifying run. Now, I am tossing some names in and if your name isn't in here - well, that is because we either haven't wheeled with you or because there are too many to pick from (i.e. don't get butt-hurt)

1. Desert Dawg - I don't care if he's a member or not - he deserves the spot and he's not only great on the trail - he's one of the best trip leaders I've followed.

2. Rok N Rich - We may get in political tiffs on the board, but when he's on the trail not only is he a lot of fun and a nice guy but he has balls and is very knowledgable.

3. TC's Toy - Thom made us absolutely drool over his rig and his driving ability up at P.D. - also a great guy, knowledgable and experienced.

4. Antman - " "

5. TRLRTDTJ - Kyle - with all the wisely made and just B.A. additions to his rig - the extended wheel base, etc, etc - also just awesome seeing him take the waterfall at P.D. without a winch - definitely on the list.

6. If I can toss in a 6th......I think that you hardcore boys should (not that its my business) do a dedication of this forum to Lowtech since he would have been right there with you on those B.A. trails if he were here..... :angel:

I think that perhaps the hardcore should be view only like the marketplace - at least let those of us that aren't in there peek in to be able to see what you guys are wheeling and everything. I just think the forum should state: if you don't meet minimum requirements, do not show up to these trail runs - contact "so and so" for more information.

[Wind_Danzer]

Voted yes.

Nominations: 1eagle Roger, Drewdog, RokNRichface, Lance, Yjunk, 1JACKJP, Syota

Trying to mix it up and keep the more common cliques from all being nominated together. Figure thats a good mix of the major groups of wheelers.

I totally agree with what's in the bold.... that said, I am going to assume that we cannot nominate anyone that has gotten up and left, even though this possible change may bring them back.

My idea of a dream team:

TwistedTJ, YJunk, DesertDawg, Jeeppeepin, Rioshilo (though I am unsure if his current rig is on the min reguirment list yet).

If it has to be current AZVJC only:

YJunk, Jeeppeepin, Rioshilo, Dave@DesertFab, mingoglia (boy's come a long way since Nick's 101 :D )

[Duality]

I would abuse any topic section with the name "hardcore" so I voted no.

[Stone Dragon]

Once again. This has been asked dozens of times. Actually, probably more often than dozens. This area is going to primarily be a spot to organize runs. Tech, write ups, and pics from runs will still be posted for all to see elsewhere.

Well i read through this entire post and didn't see that listed anywhere. Guess I must have missed it..... my bad! Thanks for responding!:D

[SHNIPE]

Well i read through this entire post and didn't see that listed anywhere. Guess I must have missed it..... my bad! Thanks for responding!:D

Lance posted this somewhere in there:

35s
locked F/R
winch
upgraded axles(D30 OK with Alloys, NO d35s!)
Gear reduction(deeper than stock or a 4 to 1 t-case)
upgraded suspension components 3"?(can't really say "lift", because I know guys who wheel stock height with 37s and a bellyup)
spare parts and tools(a knowledge of how to use them helps too)
SEAT TIME!!!(previously run 4.0+ trails, more than once a year)
Exceptions can always be made due to performance. (like the "lift" example) I could concievably see a "vote in" process, but that is up to Joe.

*Seat time can be a balancing factor if you do not meet all the reqs. (http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showpost.php?p=306497&postcount=194)

[amber.hodge]

Is it just me, or is it kinda weird seeing Shnipe as a "novice member"????????

[Wayco]

I thought that the original thread was sufficiently positive and handled, this should be a done deal by now. My cynical side thinks that if Joe doesn't want this, it won't happen no matter how many votes we get. I voted yes again, and I think that Lance, 1BLKJP (Jack), FlexyXJ (Joe Daro), Antman (Bill) and Roknrich (Rich) would be good choices for this.
I also think that Tom Jacobson would be a great board member, but I doubt we could convince him.

[Shocker]

If it has to be current AZVJC only:

YJunk, Jeeppeepin, Rioshilo, Dave@DesertFab, mingoglia (boy's come a long way since Nick's 101 :D )


I have to agree with this choice because it would be nice to see a female in there. Also it seems as a whole a good mix of people from all over the valley.

[lancetkenyon]

Voted yes.

Nominations: 1eagle Roger, Drewdog, RokNRichface, Lance, Yjunk, 1JACKJP, Syota

Trying to mix it up and keep the more common cliques from all being nominated together. Figure thats a good mix of the major groups of wheelers.

I have wheeled with them all, good guys all around, with lots of experience and great attitudes.

[Tom Jacobson]

For as little as I actually speak up around here, I appreciate the comment, Wayne. Means a lot coming from you.

As for convincing me...you never know!

I'd love to tip a few cold ones while the final details are being hashed out!

Charlie (azcharlie) is another member who would make a great addition to the Board.

[YJunk]

I thought that the original thread was sufficiently positive and handled, this should be a done deal by now. My cynical side thinks that if Joe doesn't want this, it won't happen no matter how many votes we get. I voted yes again, and I think that Lance, 1BLKJP (Jack), FlexyXJ (Joe Daro), Antman (Bill) and Roknrich (Rich) would be good choices for this.
I also think that Tom Jacobson would be a great board member, but I doubt we could convince him.

X2 on Tom J... he's a good wheeler, knows the trails and is pretty diplomatic when it comes to stuff... I'd also vote for Lance and Rich, don't really know the rest well enough to comment...

[lancetkenyon]

I totally agree with what's in the bold.... that said, I am going to assume that we cannot nominate anyone that has gotten up and left, even though this possible change may bring them back.

My idea of a dream team:

TwistedTJ, YJunk, DesertDawg, Jeeppeepin, Rioshilo (though I am unsure if his current rig is on the min reguirment list yet).

If it has to be current AZVJC only:

YJunk, Jeeppeepin, Rioshilo, Dave@DesertFab, mingoglia (boy's come a long way since Nick's 101 :D )

Wheeled with all these people too, except Dave. Good choices.....but Jeff and Mike are not here anymore, and Rio is without a rig.

[lancetkenyon]

For as little as I actually speak up around here, I appreciate the comment, Wayne. Means a lot coming from you.

As for convincing me...you never know!

I'd love to tip a few cold ones while the final details are being hashed out!

Charlie (azcharlie) is another member who would make a great addition to the Board.

Absolutely!

[lancetkenyon]

X2 on Tom J... he's a good wheeler, knows the trails and is pretty diplomatic when it comes to stuff... I'd also vote for Lance and Rich, don't really know the rest well enough to comment...

I don't know, does his rig even RUN anymore???

[Hardcore Chic]

Do I get to drive your Jeep sometimes Dad?

[SHNIPE]

Do I get to drive your Jeep sometimes Dad?

sorry no cliques or buddy system automatic approvals

[Wind_Danzer]

Wheeled with all these people too, except Dave. Good choices.....but Jeff and Mike are not here anymore, and Rio is without a rig.

I thought Rio now had a CJ he was building up to his old TJ standard (a sick f'in wheeling machine).

So we are going to keep it board only current people. I wasn't sure since they may come back with a new section opening up.

So then if Rio can't (rigless or doesn't have a rig that meets standards yet) then we keep my choices all the same and add......

Danno

[Tay-J]

Voted yes, just make sure that all you HARDCORE types post up your HARDCORE wheeling pics and your HARDCORE tech talk so us lower life-forms may learn a thing or two!

Thanks

[howyadoin]

In, thanks for the chance..............:aagh:

[lancetkenyon]

I thought Rio now had a CJ he was building up to his old TJ standard (a sick f'in wheeling machine).

So we are going to keep it board only current people. I wasn't sure since they may come back with a new section opening up.

So then if Rio can't (rigless or doesn't have a rig that meets standards yet) then we keep my choices all the same and add......

Danno

Rio is selling his rig(if he didn't already) to build a buggy. Besides, he is hardly ever on here anymore unfortunately.

[Wind_Danzer]

Rio is selling his rig(if he didn't already) to build a buggy. Besides, he is hardly ever on here anymore unfortunately.

Did not know that about the Heep.

You're right, there aren't a lot of "harder-core" people on here anymore.

"Harder-core" as I am here but don't post up anymore due to the state of this place like the others.

[Tom Jacobson]

I don't know, does his rig even RUN anymore???

Whacha doin Sunday?!?!?

[Rioshilo]

I'm still around, although I did sell the jeep. However, I sold it to my next door neighbor so I still have access to it, and will continue to build it up and post the changes.

I don't have any desire to be nominated though (especially if it involves moderating on this drama board):aagh:

Look for me at the trails in about 6-8 mths with the new buggy though. It's got me pretty excited

[Wind_Danzer]

I'm still around, although I did sell the jeep. However, I sold it to my next door neighbor so I still have access to it, and will continue to build it up and post the changes.

I don't have any desire to be nominated though (especially if it involves moderating on this drama board):aagh:

Look for me at the trails in about 6-8 mths with the new buggy though. It's got me pretty excited


Sweet!

Totally understand the drama part but thought you'd be a good addition due to your fabbing and knowledge skills.

Can't wait to see the buggy!

[lancetkenyon]

Whacha doin Sunday?!?!?

The first weekend this year I am NOT wheeling. My Brother is getting married in Vegas, and I am the "Better than nothing" man.

[lancetkenyon]

I'm still around, although I did sell the jeep. However, I sold it to my next door neighbor so I still have access to it, and will continue to build it up and post the changes.

I don't have any desire to be nominated though (especially if it involves moderating on this drama board):aagh:

Look for me at the trails in about 6-8 mths with the new buggy though. It's got me pretty excited

Gonna post up progress pics and tech?

[Rioshilo]

Gonna post up progress pics and tech?

Yep. First thing is to find a 75-79 toyota corolla body (would prefer 2 dr but 4 would do) Also would like to have a title with it... If anyone has any info please let me know

Then as things progress I will post some pictures and tech...

I will also post some tech on the old CJ whenever he has me do something, or whenever I take it out...

[joedokes28]

I voted yes and believe this to be a good thing.

[brian lujan]

only one way to get better is to do harder trails and do them often.
:fashizzle:

[lancetkenyon]

A.i.s.t.!!!!!

[SavageSun4x4]

I voted yes and believe this to be a good thing.
X2 and I changed my vote from a No to a yes (albeit I never expected to stay a No very long. I wanted to express my concerns, I did, I changed my vote).

[LOST TJ]

I may have missed it, but if he hasn't been nominated yet. I'd like to nominate Ski4X4 (Kevin).

[howyadoin]

No way are the Jeepers going to allow an FToy to be nominated!!!:eek:

[joedokes28]

The driver IMO is much more important than the vehicle.

[Wayco]

X2 and I changed my vote from a No to a yes (albeit I never expected to stay a No very long. I wanted to express my concerns, I did, I changed my vote).

WOW! You're the man, Don.

The driver IMO is much more important than the vehicle.

More words of wisdom, Ski4X4 (Kevin) or Sy (Syota) are both excellent wheelers and spotters.

[lancetkenyon]

Guess this is just gonna die, haven't heard anything from Joe West.....anyone really want this to happen....PM Joe West and bug him.......I haven't heard anything.

[TWSTDTJ]

Wheeled with all these people too, except Dave. Good choices.....but Jeff and Mike are not here anymore, and Rio is without a rig.

I am still here. and I vote yes for the additional forum.

BTW my rig will be back on the trails soon :)

[lancetkenyon]

I am still here. and I vote yes for the additional forum.

BTW my rig will be back on the trails soon :)

When Jeff? Ready to try Matrix again?

[TWSTDTJ]

Matrix will be after the 35sp outers and new knuckles are installed. I will be trail worthy again within a month or so. :smoking:

[Wind_Danzer]

Matrix will be after the 35sp outers and new knuckles are installed. I will be trail worthy again within a month or so. :smoking:

:aagh: Hi Jeff! Good to see your junk is about ready to roll... right in time for the blazing hot weather. :pinch:

[TWSTDTJ]

:aagh: Hi Jeff! Good to see your junk is about ready to roll... right in time for the blazing hot weather. :pinch:

Thats how I roll.

[Skii4x4]

I may have missed it, but if he hasn't been nominated yet. I'd like to nominate Ski4X4 (Kevin).

Wow thanks for the compliment guys

[tywilson88]

yeah it would be cool to have this section.


i nominate
probable cause (mike)
origoodyear (andy)

[chopped7]

Wow thanks for the compliment guys

kevin,

I remember when you advertised yourself as a noob. You were the only one that showed up to a run I called on CAZ, I'm valleycat on that board. It was a holiday weekend. Your tires weren't even all the same size on your 'runner when you got there. You were just trying to learn the offroad game. We messed around on the gas pipeline road and went out to the north end of the lake. my wife was driving our stock, black XJ. On one obstacle, I remember you asking her 'can we make that'. She was like, of course. We all made the obstacle.

going from super noob to being nominated to moderate a jeep forum, as a toyota guy, in a couple short years just shows your dedication to wheelin' and what you can do with some seat time. nice job dude. nice job. much respect from me. :fashizzle: