White Tanks Clean Up Cancelled

[My1stJeep]

Please see reason in thread: http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?p=308677#post308677

[1eagle]

Thanks Chris for the update. That is a bunch of B.S. We are trying to do a good thing and they are bi*****g about some dust. If you have live around the area any, you know that whenever the wind picks up it is dusty. It is the desert. They would rather have a bunch of friging trash laying around than deal with a little dust. They suck. Ok I am done.

Thanks again.

[FrenchChili]

Freaking morons...

The dust level they are trying to meet is retarded. It will never happen, even if all construction and OHV activity stops.

x2 on the water truck

[tywilson88]

rediculous

[lancetkenyon]

Screw them, so what if we go out(with our STL permits in hand) and pick up trash. What are they gonna do? Make us put the trash BACK??? If everyone goes and just fills up about 4 trash bags, they can take them home and dump them in their own trash cans. Might only be a small dent in the trash, but everything helps. We could send pics to AZOHVC of our efforts to help with politics.

[Markos]

Wow that's really too bad. I've never been out that way, but I'm guessing that it looks like most other trails near the valley. The people that cancelled this thing must sh*t their pants when a haboob rolls in!

[Bilt4Comfort]

Call 3 on your side...I bet they'd put this on the air.

[TomHatch]

I talked about dust with a city planner from Glendale. He said that lots of dollars are promised to local municipalities by the federal government based on "air quality." A major portion of air quality is particulate count. Municipalities see OHV as a major contributor to overall particulate counts thereby making it difficult to qualify for federal dollars. I brought up dust storms/wind and he quickly skirted around question and continued to blame OHV and construction job sites. I wonder who sets the "acceptable" particulate level and if they take into consideration the fact that this is a desert.

They probably want to distance themselves from the cleanup so they don't get blamed if particulate levels keep local municipalities from getting federal monies.

[AZXJ]

Think about the issues we had 5 years ago with the Agua Fria river bottom.. it's going to happen sooner or later.. My guess is sooner then later.. The encroachment on the area is causing complaints about the dust. The EPA will get involved. Thier say is the only say. As hard as we try to fight it, thier say will surpass any and all efforts.

Best to mind STL and try to continue to work with them on the Park project for the area. Remember the meeting at Verado eairly last year ?

Dave

[My1stJeep]

The fun part is going to be, if it happens, the Regional Park they are putting in. The park is actually back on the BLM land, which is all North of the wash behind the Sand Dune. The only trail that is actually on STL out there is Appetizer. The Dune is also on STL, and if they got rid of that alot of dust would disappear. In addition if you held the people out there to having a permit, stop the illegal target shooting alot of those people would go away.

So none of the park is on STL land, and all our trails were approved by the City of Buckeye last year to keep except one, because all but that one were in the same area of the park and could be kept in that one central location. I want to see what kind of access problem is going to occur having to cross STL land to get to the park, and maybe that is why the project seems to have stalled.

[rockfinder]

I believe that they cant stop the clean-up efforts if we take it on one bag at a time.

Remove the trash that you bring with you and one more bag and we wont have this problem. Exceptions to the concept is the shooters and dumpers.

[tywilson88]

i dont think you could take all the jeepsfrom this club out there and make as much dust as the illegals make on there quads.,zipping around with no care of who else is out there, and who they are going to crash into next

[NVRSTUKXJ]

I received the Maricopa County rulemaking calendar for '08 in the mail on Friday (March 7).....in it was a scheduled public hearing for "Off-Road Vehicle Use in Unincorporated Areas of Maricopa County".....I thought, oh good, then noticed the date of the hearing: February 20.......don't ya love timely notification???.....there is, however, a public hearing on March 26 concerning the 5% Plan Rulemaking Project.....hearing will include:

Rule 200: Permit Requirements
Rule 310: Fugitive Dust (the stuff only OHV users cause, right?)
Rule 310.01: Fugitive dust from open areas, vacant lots, unpaved parking lots and unpaved roadways
Appendix C: Fugitive Dust Test Methods

The meeting will be held at 0900 in the Board of Supervisors Auditorium, 205 W. Jefferson Street.....

info on rulemaking can be found at:
www.maricopa.gov/aq/divisions/planning_analysis/Default.aspx

[ArizonaXJ]

I'm not going to waste alot of space with quoting what you guys before me have already stated above. All valid points.
Bottom line: This is bull, plain and simple. Yes, I understand federal money, everybody wants money but this is/was an effort to do something good AT NO ADDITIONAL cost to the government.
I am in favor of us just going out and bagging 3-5 bags of trash each. The problem is: WHAT DO WE DO WITH ALL THE BIG TRASH?
A few bags each would help obviously but I don't think that it would have much of an impact over all.
What if we went the idea of 3-5 bags each and I will see if I can swing some big trucks to haul off the trash and then see if I could get some help from the local landfills in the way of "Free Dumping" for the stuff we haul off?

Does anyone think that we could get Hunter out there in full MCSO garb and buggy and perhaps "block" the entrance, pass out some sort of flyers with "advice" regarding the current and future use of the area? I.E. ARS governing shooting within a 1/4 mile of an occcupied building, ARS regarding illeagal dumping on public lands, STL permit requirements, and so-on?

In reality this doesn't surprise me at all. Anytime I am involved in a "good deed" it gets screwed up some how........