Breaking News:Jeep to offer Diesel swap

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

This sounds like the big news at EJS 2008!!! Looks like the mod that seemed highly complex due to the electronics and wiring harness could be very easy to complete in a TJ wrangler!!



Heres the specs on the VM 2.8l

300FT LBS 165 hp

Wieghs nearly the same as the I-6

EST fuel economy 23 city /27 hwy


With 37's 4.88's with no top @75 around 20mpg

http://blogs.4wdandsportutility.com/6232286/editorials/diesel-jeep-swap-kit/index.html

Many jeepers have been waiting anxiously to swap a diesel into their Jeep. Their low-end torque and trail driveability, not to mention their fuel economy, has put diesels at the top of many jeepers wish list.

The wait is almost over! Jeep Performance, a division of Mopar Performance, is working on a stand-alone diesel engine swap kit to drop the 2.8 diesel that first appeared in the Jeep Liberty into your TJ, YJ, CJ, or? While we'll have more details (and maybe a photo or two) after Jeep Safari in Moab, this is the real deal and is going to happen. Everything needed to install the diesel mill into a Jeep will come with the kit - including a stand-alone wiring harness and non-EGR motor! You may have heard that some Liberty diesels had problems that were caused by a malfunctioning Exhaust Gas Recirculation system. The Jeep Performance diesel swap kit's 2.8 diesel doesn't have the troublesome EGR, so expect it to be problem-free. We'll get you more information when we get it. Stay tuned..

[Allen]

First in line! They can use my Jeep to test it!!

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

First in line! They can use my Jeep to test it!!

Well...i planned to go to bed early until I found this post on the AEV website!!!

I am saving up asap, the only thing stopping me was the wiring..the rest i can do in my garage

Jason

[Henthorn]

Still wish they would offer an off the shelf diesel here in the US. Probably not far away from it though if they are doing this.

[Bilt4Comfort]

Yeah...but even with the gain in mileage, you're still losing your *** at the pump.

[Billy 4 hp]

Well...i planned to go to bed early until I found this post on the AEV website!!!

I am saving up asap, the only thing stopping me was the wiring..the rest i can do in my garage

Jason

Has AEV said anymore about the Brute that stuck WOT (hit a tree, a JK and rolled) with a throttle by wire Hemi engine conversion? Just curious....

First in line! They can use my Jeep to test it!!


Hmmm, I hope it doesn't have Throttle By Wire.....

Allen, I'll let you be first copy hard cover, first edition, I'll wait for it to come out in paper back...

[ohiotj]

As soon as Jason gets it in his Jeep i will steal it from him.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Has AEV said anymore about the Brute that stuck WOT (hit a tree, a JK and rolled) with a throttle by wire Hemi engine conversion? Just curious....




Hmmm, I hope it doesn't have Throttle By Wire.....

Allen, I'll let you be first copy hard cover, first edition, I'll wait for it to come out in paper back...


AEV did not build that brute with the 6.1, It was Screamin Lizards customs out of texas...it was thier shop jeep.

I am not sure that the 2.8l uses throttle by wire? I have one outside, I'll check

Jason

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

As soon as Jason gets it in his Jeep i will steal it from him.

Dream on.......

Jason

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Yeah...but even with the gain in mileage, you're still losing your *** at the pump.

Yeah Diesel is quite a bit more per gal right now .60 a gallon...I like the power and the blooms of smoke you can generate if someone cuts you off in traffic! I also like the fact that my jeeps DD ability would be further improved....I would most likely need to drive it 200k before I see a true savings at the pump....I guess its more of a novelty like the hemi conversions


I can upgrade to the Genrite Safari tank and get a min of 640 miles a tank (32Gal)!!


Jason

[Billy 4 hp]

AEV did not build that brute with the 6.1, It was Screamin Lizards customs out of texas...it was thier shop jeep.

I am not sure that the 2.8l uses throttle by wire? I have one outside, I'll check

Jason

I am just curious about the engine conversion coming into the equation not who built it... As in my experience a lot of safety features in a 100% manufacturer built road car get left off when an engine conversion (especially EFI with Throttle By Wire) is done... It's almost impossible to do it aftermarket like they do in the manufacturing plant, just not enough of a R&D budget, so if it runs and works at 99% perfection they ship it, it's the 1% that get's you into trouble...

JMHO

[TRobertsRN]

Why is diesel more expensive than gas?

It used to be the other way around.

I am almost sure it is cheaper than gas to produce.

Is it all taxes?

I will start a separate thread on this.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

I am just curious about the engine conversion coming into the equation not who built it... As in my experience a lot of safety features in a 100% manufacturer built road car get left off when an engine conversion (especially EFI with Throttle By Wire) is done... It's almost impossible to do it aftermarket like they do in the manufacturing plant, just not enough of a R&D budget, so if it runs and works at 99% perfection they ship it, it's the 1% that get's you into trouble...

JMHO

Well, I guess the difference between the kits that are out there is that this is a Jeep kit built by the actual manuafacture so I sure do hope its better than what Microsoft does by releasing products early and using customers as guinea pigs!


Jason

[Billy 4 hp]

Well, I guess the difference between the kits that are out there is that this is a Jeep kit built by the actual manuafacture so I sure do hope its better than what Microsoft does by releasing products early and using customers as guinea pigs!


Jason

Don't count on it, it's usually farmed out to a group of "engineer's" if they do it like Ford or GM.... Just ask anyone who bought an EFI ZZ502, EFI ZL1 or Ford's infamous EFI street rod wiring harness....

:eek:

[terron gregg]

for the money on the conversion why not a hemi ??

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

for the money on the conversion why not a hemi ??

I am going to guess that a Hemi conversion can be done for less if using used motor and trans

I was on the fence..now the Diesel will be the swap I do!

Jason

[mingoglia]

First in line! They can use my Jeep to test it!!

Yeah, your d35 is going to love that Allen....

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Yeah, your d35 is going to love that Allen....

Well, I am thinking that alloys shafts on my D44 are in order for this swap, my CRD liberty uses a chrysler 8.25 and its still working fine!

A d35 has no chance

Jason

[TRobertsRN]

When I first started looking into diesel swaps a couple of issues came up.

Power brakes and axle ratios.

In general a diesel engine has less vacuume than a gas so something will have to be done to operated power brakes properly. Not a diffucult fix, add a vacuume pump.

Since the peak power of a diesel is at lower RPM than a gas engine to take advantage of the better gas mileage you need a higher set of gears than on gas powered vehicle. Also easily solved, higher pumpkin gears and a lower transfer for offroad control. Or just get bigger tires!!!!!!!!!

Tom

[brian lujan]

a diesel YES, that it awsome.

[brian lujan]

When I first started looking into diesel swaps a couple of issues came up.

Power brakes and axle ratios.

In general a diesel engine has less vacuume than a gas so something will have to be done to operated power brakes properly. Not a diffucult fix, add a vacuume pump.

Since the peak power of a diesel is at lower RPM than a gas engine to take advantage of the better gas mileage you need a higher set of gears than on gas powered vehicle. Also easily solved, higher pumpkin gears and a lower transfer for offroad control. Or just get bigger tires!!!!!!!!!

Tom
the light & medium duty diesel trucks hydroassist for the brakes off the steering pump. a semi truck runs air brakes.

[Billy 4 hp]

for the money on the conversion why not a hemi ??

Fuel mileage.... Torque per cubic inch, engine efficiency, packaging, not adding weight, etc....

Other than that, a Hemi is a perfect swap....

[SavageSun4x4]

Thanks Jason, I have been looking as various upgrades, cam install etc etc and this might be a great candidate for my next upgrade.

[dirtbuggy]

you know I'll be line for one hopefully at the front gotta have one maybe two and put one in my old cj2a he he see ya there in the diesel line that is

[Erich]

First in line! They can use my Jeep to test it!!

I call second...lol
FINALLY a diesel for my Jeep!!! And to think I almost traded my 06' TJ in a month ago...

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Thanks Jason, I have been looking as various upgrades, cam install etc etc and this might be a great candidate for my next upgrade.

Hopefully you can save a lot with your Airpark Discount!

More to come as EJS 2008 nears

You can chip that motor for $390 and get 390ft lbs and 205hp...Sound better now?

http://www.grimmperformance.com/market/Dr-Performance-45HP-Predator-Module-05-06-Jeep-Liberty-diesel.html

The Dr. Performance Predator module for the 05-06 Jeep Liberty 2.8L diesel engine. Add 45 HP and 90 ft-lbs of Torque.



The Predator Performance Module is a result of over 9 years of diesel technology designed to benefit you. This Module truly gives you the pulling performance of your diesel pickup. Predator™ is scientifically proven to increase the performance of diesel engines like no other performance product. By optimizing the fuel plume of the air/fuel mixture while altering your engine's factory timing duration, microscopic fuel particles are mixed with higher levels of oxygen, causing greater volumes of energy to be released during combustion. The bottom line is a cooler running engine with increased performance and improved fuel economy.

The Dr. Performance System produces REAL WORLD power gains!

They call this usable power - all the way across the power band at the speeds and in the gears where you need it.

Their system also produces a very flat torque curve. This means, once the maximum torque is reached, torque falls off very slowly as RPM's increase toward maximum horsepower. This gives your engine excellent pulling characteristics by keeping torque output high all the way up the power band until maximum horsepower and RPM is reached.

One of the most frequent complaints we hear about stock engines is slow throttle response. The Dr. Performanc system significantly increases throttle response right off the bottom and all the way across the entire RPM range. You'll know it when you push on the pedal. Improved throttle response combined with the extra power, results in a much more enjoyable driving experience. You will be able to merge, pass, and move away from undesirable traffic situations in ways you never thought possible with a larger vehicle. You may be able to accelerate in up to half the time. Your speeds under load will increase 20-35 MPH on grades of 5 to 8%. Grades of 5% or less will no longer slow you down at all.

Jason

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

http://forum.aev-conversions.com/showthread.php?t=219&page=5

http://www.aav.com.eg/diesel_data.html
New info has surfaced:

The Mopar program is trying to use the T1 (military TJ) parts primarily. One of the biggest performance differences between that version and the liberty is the non-variable turbo. I haven't driven a T1, but I understand they do pretty well. The T1 version is WAY simpler, no EGR, no variable turbo, no Viscous coolant heater, no AC (I don't know what Mopar has planned for that), no cruise control, etc...It has about 1/10 the amount of wiring, and would be a great motor to have in a Jeep

[joe002]

FWIW - I owned a 1990 F-250 diesel for years (sold it in 2002) and have a few observations.

At the time, the price of diesel wasn’t really cheaper than gas. I remember it always changed in the winter due to home heating oil use. I think it was cheaper up through the 80s, also at some truck stops you could get a good rate on diesel. I have noticed that diesel is a lot more than gas at the local stations these days.

I hear that a diesel engines are better built that gassers, but I did have some maintenance on mine - glow plugs, fuel injectors, water separator, etc (all at less than 150K miles) that I had to perform on my diesel that I didn’t have to do to my gas engines. It also had a heavy duty oil pump which was leaking when I sold it (because of the high compression ratio, diesels are harder/use more on oil than gassers). So far I haven’t personally blown a gas engine so I can’t compare how long a diesel engine lasts over a gasser.

I do know the exhaust from my truck was pretty smelly and sometimes smoky - I wouldn’t want to be the person behind me on a trail for a long time. I hear the newer diesels may/are better smelling.

Since we live in the valley we don’t have to worry about starting when it’s freezing. My F-250 had an engine block heater so I could warm it up before I had to start it when it was freezing outside.

I did get more money for my F-250 because it had a diesel - not enough to cover the cost of the original option, but more than nothing. I also got a premium on it because it was a 4x4.

When were out traveling in the middle of nowhere I did sometimes hope that the next station we ran into had diesel. We never ran out of fuel, but then again I did have a 30 gallon tank.

I know my diesel engine weighed more than its gas counterpart. I don’t know about current engines.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

FWIW - I owned a 1990 F-250 diesel for years (sold it in 2002) and have a few observations.

At the time, the price of diesel wasn’t really cheaper than gas. I remember it always changed in the winter due to home heating oil use. I think it was cheaper up through the 80s, also at some truck stops you could get a good rate on diesel. I have noticed that diesel is a lot more than gas at the local stations these days.

I hear that a diesel engines are better built that gassers, but I did have some maintenance on mine - glow plugs, fuel injectors, water separator, etc (all at less than 150K miles) that I had to perform on my diesel that I didn’t have to do to my gas engines. It also had a heavy duty oil pump which was leaking when I sold it (because of the high compression ratio, diesels are harder/use more on oil than gassers). So far I haven’t personally blown a gas engine so I can’t compare how long a diesel engine lasts over a gasser.

I do know the exhaust from my truck was pretty smelly and sometimes smoky - I wouldn’t want to be the person behind me on a trail for a long time. I hear the newer diesels may/are better smelling.

Since we live in the valley we don’t have to worry about starting when it’s freezing. My F-250 had an engine block heater so I could warm it up before I had to start it when it was freezing outside.

I did get more money for my F-250 because it had a diesel - not enough to cover the cost of the original option, but more than nothing. I also got a premium on it because it was a 4x4.

When were out traveling in the middle of nowhere I did sometimes hope that the next station we ran into had diesel. We never ran out of fuel, but then again I did have a 30 gallon tank.

I know my diesel engine weighed more than its gas counterpart. I don’t know about current engines.

The 2.8 crd VW motor is iwthin 50lbs of a I-6..likely much heavier than the 3.8 V6 found in a JK

Jason

[thedon]

I hop the kits does not cost to much. I think it would be around $10,000.00 to $15,000.00 and there will be no warranty. Mopar performance parts have no warranty. Thats the down side. When I worked at a dodge dealer in the parts dept and sold a Viper motor ( $15,000.00) as is and the customer had a problem and they had to fix it them selves. I would like the Diesel but the price my be to high.

[joe002]

The 2.8 crd VW motor is iwthin 50lbs of a I-6..likely much heavier than the 3.8 V6 found in a JK

Jason
I was thinking it was going to be something like this (http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/). :eek:

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

I was thinking it was going to be something like this (http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/). :eek:

WOW

Jason

[Henthorn]

The back-up generator here has a 16cyl diesel in it. it even has a muffler on the exhaust: THE BIGGEST I HAVE EVER SEEN!

[TRobertsRN]

If you do this conversion in a vehicle that requires emissions will it pass??

[Twister_ems]

This sounds like a great deal. Altho what are the prices going to look like? One advantage I see in this is the possibility of running bio diesel. That will deffinetly take care of the price gouging at the pump! We filled up our ambulance last night at work at 3.99 a gal. with a 50 gal tank. Im sure glad I dont have my companies fuel bill! Multiply that by 5 ambulances filling up atleast once a shift. INSANE!

[jeeper05]

At 60-80 cents a gallon more for diesel and its not done climbing,I expect to see fuel at 4.80 to 5.00 by July. Im haveing a hard time understanding the concept other then potential extended life of the motor.I just dont see the advantages outweighing the cost by much more then a marginal amount.By the time you factor in the cost of the swap,increase in cost per gallon then offset that by increased mpg how long will it take just to break even on your investment?Dont forget to factor in the fact that parts for a diesel run a little higher,unless you plan to add a block heater and have a place to plug it in you wont be doing any cold weather trips.I dont see or hear anyone talking about the potential downsides to this.Im not trying to talk anyone out of it nor am I bad mouthing it but before you jump ya might want see just how deep the water really is.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

At 60-80 cents a gallon more for diesel and its not done climbing,I expect to see fuel at 4.80 to 5.00 by July. Im haveing a hard time understanding the concept other then potential extended life of the motor.I just dont see the advantages outweighing the cost by much more then a marginal amount.By the time you factor in the cost of the swap,increase in cost per gallon then offset that by increased mpg how long will it take just to break even on your investment?Dont forget to factor in the fact that parts for a diesel run a little higher,unless you plan to add a block heater and have a place to plug it in you wont be doing any cold weather trips.I dont see or hear anyone talking about the potential downsides to this.Im not trying to talk anyone out of it nor am I bad mouthing it but before you jump ya might want see just how deep the water really is.

Well you are right!

You can run off B99 Bio and not support Opec or the middle east and suppot the homeland!!

Even better if you have the patients you can do a grease conversion to run veggie oil.....


Jason

[dirtbuggy]

and you can always make your own for about a $1 a gallon its not that hard to do

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

and you can always make your own for about a $1 a gallon its not that hard to do

Thats the part I am scared of!

In the end you will have awasome lowend Torque for the trail idle up and down rocks and be able to run alt fuels to help the mother earth and keep cash away from Opec and foriegn countries.

And after 400K you will break even...we really do not have a swap price yet..I am sure we will find out next week!

.02

Jason

[dirtbuggy]

cool let us know the price I'm sure I probadly can't aford it time to sell something lets see backup camper dually diesel old jeep? nope need two jeeps and a truck one left

[jeepdude775]

Diesels are cool I got a truck but for my money when and if I need a new engine I'm thinking stroker 4.6 performance and if that is not enough throw a blower on it. Do all that and still have 5+ grand (maybe more:aagh:)to fill the tank and have all the power you need, direct bolt in. If it was a factory option that would be cool but the numbers of the 4.6 hesco 260 hp and 295 ft lbs is pretty good for $3K.

[Mobius]

You're running premium unleaded with that stroker engine, though, aren't you? So factor in that your fuel costs almost as much as diesel, now, and you're getting significantly worse gas mileage.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Still no real news back from Moab....I would be wheeling if I was there too!

Heres the latest:

http://blogs.jpmagazine.com/6235052/editorials/crate-diesel-engine-and-jk-dana-60/index.html

[dirtbuggy]

ok keep us updated you know I need to know ya know

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Still very limited info....I guess no one is near a computer, just near a jeep!

Jason

[phxtoad]

Pardon if I didn't read this correctly, but did it say that the engine is the same as the Liberty CRD's? I thought they were discontinued due to pending stricter emissions requirements? Is this an improved version?

If it is the same mill, there have been a lot of issues with them. Here's the link to the LOST CRD forum if anyone wants to research more:

http://www.lostkjs.com/forum/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=a0f62fed789cf5d32cfe64404fa9935b

Despite this, nearly everyone that has one still loves them. The TORQUE is outstanding.

Todd

[p14175]

Jeep isn't offering a diesel swap kit. All they are doing is selling the engine and accessories. What you do with it is your business. Just make sure you can legally swap it before you buy it or try to register it.

It might be difficult to register a newer vehicle (1967 or newer) with a gas-to-diesel repower in Arizona since the VIN tag will still show it as gasoline powered. I haven't found a way to change fuel types on the Title in Arizona, even if the vehicle had a diesel option. Do your research before you think about making this sort of engine swap.

Or, buy a 1966 or older Jeep and legally make the swap without any government interference. :)

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Jeep isn't offering a diesel swap kit. All they are doing is selling the engine and accessories. What you do with it is your business. Just make sure you can legally swap it before you buy it or try to register it.

It might be difficult to register a newer vehicle (1967 or newer) with a gas-to-diesel repower in Arizona since the VIN tag will still show it as gasoline powered. I haven't found a way to change fuel types on the Title in Arizona, even if the vehicle had a diesel option. Do your research before you think about making this sort of engine swap.

Or, buy a 1966 or older Jeep and legally make the swap without any government interference. :)


I would hope they are offering a wiring harness if they actually want to sell them....So far there is no info on the announcement from today

As far as emissions, it would be done on the year/model of the engine
So, you would need a newer engine or same year..not older than the swap vehicle

Jason

[neZZr]

It is true that it no longer meets new vehicle emissions requirements. As a retrofit for a TJ however, I would imagine that the difference is that the engine did meet emissions standards when the TJ was built.

[Markos]

You're running premium unleaded with that stroker engine, though, aren't you? So factor in that your fuel costs almost as much as diesel, now, and you're getting significantly worse gas mileage.

FYI, most people report very similar mileage to the 4.0 when stroked. This is info was lifted off of Dyno Savva's stroker FAQ (http://www.angelfire.com/my/fan/faqs.html):


Q. Will my stroker consume more fuel than a 4.0L engine?
A. Since you're adding displacement (~15%) to the engine, there's no such thing as a free lunch. You need more fuel to feed a bigger fire. That said, a stroker can match a 4.0L engine's fuel consumption during highway cruising but you can expect your mpg to drop 2-3% in mixed driving conditions. That's only a small price to pay considering the extra performance on hand. The temptation to use the stroker's extra performance may be hard to resist and a heavier right foot will definitely hit fuel economy!

[p14175]

Again, do the research before jumping into a diesel repower even if the factory is offering it as a "swap".

Don't rely on internet advice if you are thinking about putting a diesel engine in a vehicle that is 1967 or newer. Contact your local DMV office.


Good luck!

[ob1jeeper]

I would hope they are offering a wiring harness if they actually want to sell them....So far there is no info on the announcement from today

As far as emissions, it would be done on the year/model of the engine
So, you would need a newer engine or same year..not older than the swap vehicle

Jason

Jason,
Sounding sorta like a bunch of over-anxious 8 yr-old girls waiting to see hanna-montana...:aagh::aagh::aagh:

Just got back from Moab, and got a chance to spek with the MOPAR folks... The only thing going on with this diesel swap simply this...
What has been built is a preliminary one-off mule vehicle with an old technology VM pre-crd engine, to investigate the possibilities of what it would take to make a Mopar diesel kit available for conversions in Wranglers...

The reality is that the chances are VERY slim that it will ever come to fruitition, as there is as of yet no cost figures, because the design isn't even finalized...Shoot... There isn't even a design... It is simply a cobbled together, one-of-a kind vehicle... The whole thing is just a "what-if-what-could-we-do" exercise at this time.

PS: doubt VERY much that there's gonna be any "announcements"....

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Jason,
Sounding sorta like a bunch of over-anxious 8 yr-old girls waiting to see hanna-montana...:aagh::aagh::aagh:

Just got back from Moab, and got a chance to spek with the MOPAR folks... The only thing going on with this diesel swap simply this...
What has been built is a preliminary one-off mule vehicle with an old technology VM pre-crd engine, to investigate the possibilities of what it would take to make a Mopar diesel kit available for conversions in Wranglers...

The reality is that the chances are VERY slim that it will ever come to fruitition, as there is as of yet no cost figures, because the design isn't even finalized...Shoot... There isn't even a design... It is simply a cobbled together, one-of-a kind vehicle... The whole thing is just a "what-if-what-could-we-do" exercise at this time.

PS: doubt VERY much that there's gonna be any "announcements"....


Steve, makes sense.....

I will be likely doing the 4bt do to the lack of computers!

Heres a write up by JP magazine

It's basically the same 2.8L VM Motori engine offered in the JK (tjl?) Wrangler overseas. Because of its industrial background (it's also used in overseas equipment) it should be easily swapped into older Jeeps. In fact, only a thin adapter plate is needed to install it behind any of the later 4.0L Jeep transmissions. The most likely candidate would be the NV3550 because of it's durability. The Jeep used for this Mopar swap started as a 4.0L TJ with a NV3550. Does the driveable torque and 30-percent increase in fuel economy make you drool with envy? Don't whip out your credit card just yet, the crate diesel introduced during Easter Jeep Safari is only a concept product for Mopar at this point. In the past Mopar crate engines have been a little on the expensive and overpriced side. How much would you pay for a 2.8L crate diesel?

http://virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19743&stc=1&d=1206472933

[Antman]

Soooo, you guys got all excited for nothing.:confused:

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Well, not exactly nothing! Its pushed me to explore my diesel options and like steve said, not likley to see in the mopar catalog!

Jason

[ob1jeeper]

Well, not exactly nothing! Its pushed me to explore my diesel options and like steve said, not likley to see in the mopar catalog!

Jason

I would not go so far as to say it will NEVER happen, but IMHO, it's certianly not going to be anytime this calendar year... Will take the Mopar guys MINIMALLY that long to get a design done, show it to the execs and get their blessing on any "business" case scenario...(IE: can they make any money doing this...??)

BTW Jason... swapping in a 4BT Cummins SOUNDS a WHOLE lot easier than it is in reality...

examples; You gotta either be willing to pay someone, or have the tools/skills to fab up all the mounting brackets, make sure you get driveline angles properly covered, etc...

PLUS... with the high spiking power pulses of a diesel, you GOT to select a clutch that is properly tuned to those pulses, or else you'll be finding the clutch disk and/or trans input shaft fatigue cracked on a fairly regular basis... Not to mention that ALL wiring that attaches to the engine has to be routed and secured to terminals that are in alignment with the harmonics of engine viberations, or else you'll be forever wondering why the alternator isn't charging, or the starter cable is breaking, etc., etc, etc., only to find wiring or terminals broken from vibrations...:(

Good Luck...;)

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

I would not go so far as to say it will NEVER happen, but IMHO, it's certianly not going to be anytime this calendar year... Will take the Mopar guys MINIMALLY that long to get a design done, show it to the execs and get their blessing on any "business" case scenario...(IE: can they make any money doing this...??)

BTW Jason... swapping in a 4BT Cummins SOUNDS a WHOLE lot easier than it is in reality...

examples; You gotta either be willing to pay someone, or have the tools/skills to fab up all the mounting brackets, make sure you get driveline angles properly covered, etc...

PLUS... with the high spiking power pulses of a diesel, you GOT to select a clutch that is properly tuned to those pulses, or else you'll be finding the clutch disk and/or trans input shaft fatigue cracked on a fairly regular basis... Not to mention that ALL wiring that attaches to the engine has to be routed and secured to terminals that are in alignment with the harmonics of engine viberations, or else you'll be forever wondering why the alternator isn't charging, or the starter cable is breaking, etc., etc, etc., only to find wiring or terminals broken from vibrations...:(

Good Luck...;)

Yep, like everything thats not a bolt in some minor fab work would be required

Jason

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Ok, there is a poll on ROF to vote for the 2.8 crd swap....You must join which is free to make your voice heard!!

http://www.rubiconownersforum.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=56432