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70075 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:02am
Subject: Another thank you....
BIG thanks to Ruben Aviles!!! His company donated 120 pairs of work
gloves!!!!!!!!
I will have them in the morning to pass out..
Mike Baney
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70076 From: Darren Richards <r50880@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:06am
Subject: Re: My point of view
If it makes you feel better to be embarrassed for me, then so be it.
Your ability to use complex words in your diatribes does not make your
opinions any more or less rubbish than those of the next person. The
fact that you feel you must insult those with differing opinions
indicates to me that you really need to live a few more lives to "get
it", as you put it. I respect your opinions, but I don't feel I have to
insult you to get my point across.
To be clear, I am not personally offended by any of your posts. But
others might be. You have insinuated that those who do not prescribe to
your way of thinking are small-minded, idiotic, racist, single-celled
organisms with a small intellect who you are embarrassed to be
associated with. Since most people in this group (and in real life) do
have differing opinions, you are doing a good job at insulting and
alienating a lot of people.
regards,
darren
Joe West wrote:
> Oh... you haven't yet achieved perfection... *Now* I understand....
> Talk to me again in a hundred or so lives after you achieve perfection and
> you'll be much better equipped to understand.
> <grin>
>
> By the way, I really don't think that my opinions carry more weight but you
> are right that I can call other peoples writing rubbish when they are
> rubbish.
>
> That post was nothing more than the racist output from a very small mind....
> it had only one redeeming quality in my mind; it reminded me that folks like
> this still exist in America. I don't tend to travel in circles where such
> small intellect is the norm so I tend to be somewhat filtered from such
> bigotry, intolerance, and hatred pontificated in that diatribe passed along
> by Bill. Even if that post was a joke... it was a poor one.
>
> And for those of you who agree with such things; I am truly embarrassed for
> you.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Richards [mailto:r50880@e...]
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:27 AM
> To: arizonajeep@c...
> Cc: 'Bill Mish'; '1'
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>
>
> I dunno, Joe. It seems that because you've lived more lives than most,
> and you compose your emails from a Sun workstation running Unix, that
> you feel your opinions carry more weight and you can call other people's
> opinions rubbish. I hate to burst your bubble, but this is my final
> life before I achieve perfection, AND I'm sitting in front of a Sun
> workstation running Solaris right now. :) While I probably could have
> been a bit more eloquent than the original post, I feel that his point
> was well made, and I can sum up my response to it in two words: HELL YEAH.
>
> regards,
> darren
>
> Joe W wrote:
>
>
>>As with most things in life... some of this stuff is good and some is
>>rubbish... here's a bit of the rubbish:
>>
>>The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
>>are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black
>>Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like
>>the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment
>>Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse Jackson will
>>be knocking down your door.
>>
>>Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't get around much if the only thing that
>>
> he
>
>>(we know a woman didn't write this don't we) can list as being
>>discriminatory are things related to blacks discriminating against
>>
> whites...
>
>>pleasssseeeeeeeee... what rubbish is this? Even a weak minded KKK member
>>could do better. Very thinly veiled attempt at racism is all this
>>
> paragraph
>
>>is. Strike one.
>>
>> I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are
>>different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who get arrested
>>are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not
>>racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
>>Another focus on Blacks... Hmmmmm... this appears to be somewhat of a
>>
> trend.
>
>>The idiot clearly doesn't understand the term "normalization" . Let me
>>
> make
>
>>it easy for him... when 70% of the people incarcerated in the US are
>>
> African
>
>>American and only 23% of the population are African American... one can be
>>lead to believe that there are "issues" which cause such a disparity.
>>Regardless of what the issues are; they belong to all Americans and WE
>>
> need
>
>>to fix them.
>>The focus on African Americans yet again... Strike two.
>>
>> I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of cigarettes,
>>
> a
>
>>newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact,
>>if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak English!.
>>
> My
>
>>father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you can leave the
>>countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
>>Really? I think if you want to be an American, you should be tolerant of
>>the religious and ethnic origins of all peoples... and people should have
>>the FREEDOM to speak whatever language they want, whenever they want,
>>wherever they want. People should learn English as best they can... and
>>speak whatever language they need to survive here. Speaking and
>>understanding English should be a goal; not a mandate from the government
>>
> or
>
>>society. More racial overtones... Strike three.
>>
>>I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that go along
>>with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was
>>
> born
>
>>in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a
>>continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my
>>great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from
>> Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
>>Another focus on Blacks... <sigh> This person is a looser racist, and
>>nothing more.
>>Even if I could find one thing to agree with him on... I can't get past
>>
> the
>
>>racist BS.
>>This person needs to live a few more lives to "get it". Weak minded
>>
> drivel
>
>>such as this is what propagates a weak minded society.
>>Perhaps the few people who openly agree with this crap need to take a few
>>moments and reflect on the striking focus on foreigners and those who are
>>"different".
>>
>>
>> And if you don't like my point of view, tough ****!
>>Another excellent comment from a clearly single celled organism.
>>
>>Joe West
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
70077 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:10am
Subject: Re: Re: BFG Krawler update
Interesting. In 4 years of hard wheeling out here I have seen, first hand,
every major type of tire go down in flames ;)
I've seen sidewalls rip in BFG MT's and AT's, TSL radials, TSL's, MT/R's,
SSR's and SX's and a whole handful of less know brands and models.
Yes, even the SX's, first hand, last one was on a run last year the end of
last year, or the beginning of this year, can't remember the date for sure.
Amazingly, to me, I've run BFG MT's, SSR's and now MT/R's, and have never
ripped a sidewall. Don't know why. I run the tougher stuff. People in front
of me have ripped sidewalls, people behind me have ripped sidewalls, people
next to me have ripped sidewalls. Go figure. Now, having said that, I'm
sure, tomorrow, when I go play on an easy trail, I'll rip all 4 sidewalls
LOL ;)
Anyway, to me, traction is a little more important than having a tire with a
6 foot think sidewall that weighs 150 lbs each ;)
Since the MT/R's have been tough 'nough, and, so far, since I've seen
nothing available to the retail market, that matches their traction on the
type of stuff that I run, I'm stick'n with 'em ;) When I rip one, well,
that's what the Discount certificates are for :)
I think that much of the craze with the MT/R's is because they work (at
least here in the west on rocks), and work, probably better than anything
else available in the retail market, IMHO. I've been slow to climb onto the
MT/R bandwagon, just finally getting my first set a month or so ago. But to
say that I'm impressed with 'em, is a huge understatement :)
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...>
To: "'Jay Eller'" <jay@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: BFG Krawler update
> LOL I have not used anything in the AZ rocks but TSL/SXs for over 10 years
> and I have never cut a side wall on them. Until some one comes with a tire
> just as tuff I will stick with them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Eller [mailto:jay@t...]
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:07 AM
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: BFG Krawler update
>
>
> It's funny...........with all of the "craze" to go to MT/R's (which IS a
> good
> tire by the way), now 40" MT/R's, BFG Krawler's, etc.......... I feel so
out
> of date with my tried and true 38.5" TSL/SX's on 15's. Guess I will just
> have to go scrap those damned things. We all know they don't work anyway!
> ;-)
>
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
70078 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:17am
Subject: Re: My point of veiw
What? Unix? Weren't they those neutered guys with loin cloths
that used to run around Egypt back in the good ol' days?
Lachlan "I still got mine" MacLean
In az_vjc@y..., Darren Richards <r50880@e...> wrote:
> I dunno, Joe. It seems that because you've lived more lives than
most,
> and you compose your emails from a Sun workstation running Unix,
that
> you feel your opinions carry more weight and you can call other
people's
> opinions rubbish. I hate to burst your bubble, but this is my
final
> life before I achieve perfection, AND I'm sitting in front of a Sun
> workstation running Solaris right now. :) While I probably could
have
> been a bit more eloquent than the original post, I feel that his
point
> was well made, and I can sum up my response to it in two words:
HELL YEAH.
>
> regards,
> darren
>
> Joe W wrote:
>
> > As with most things in life... some of this stuff is good and
some is
> > rubbish... here's a bit of the rubbish:
> >
> > The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
> > are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black
> > Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have
things like
> > the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White
Entertainment
> > Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse
Jackson will
> > be knocking down your door.
> >
> > Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't get around much if the only
thing that he
> > (we know a woman didn't write this don't we) can list as being
> > discriminatory are things related to blacks discriminating
against whites...
> > pleasssseeeeeeeee... what rubbish is this? Even a weak minded
KKK member
> > could do better. Very thinly veiled attempt at racism is all
this paragraph
> > is. Strike one.
> >
> > I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are
> > different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who get
arrested
> > are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that
is not
> > racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
> > Another focus on Blacks... Hmmmmm... this appears to be somewhat
of a trend.
> > The idiot clearly doesn't understand the term "normalization" .
Let me make
> > it easy for him... when 70% of the people incarcerated in the US
are African
> > American and only 23% of the population are African American...
one can be
> > lead to believe that there are "issues" which cause such a
disparity.
> > Regardless of what the issues are; they belong to all Americans
and WE need
> > to fix them.
> > The focus on African Americans yet again... Strike two.
> >
> > I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of
cigarettes, a
> > newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter
of fact,
> > if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak
English!. My
> > father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you can
leave the
> > countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
> > Really? I think if you want to be an American, you should be
tolerant of
> > the religious and ethnic origins of all peoples... and people
should have
> > the FREEDOM to speak whatever language they want, whenever they
want,
> > wherever they want. People should learn English as best they
can... and
> > speak whatever language they need to survive here. Speaking and
> > understanding English should be a goal; not a mandate from the
government or
> > society. More racial overtones... Strike three.
> >
> > I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that
go along
> > with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of
them was born
> > in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides,
Africa is a
> > continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American
because my
> > great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from
> > Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
> > Another focus on Blacks... <sigh> This person is a looser
racist, and
> > nothing more.
> > Even if I could find one thing to agree with him on... I can't
get past the
> > racist BS.
> > This person needs to live a few more lives to "get it". Weak
minded drivel
> > such as this is what propagates a weak minded society.
> > Perhaps the few people who openly agree with this crap need to
take a few
> > moments and reflect on the striking focus on foreigners and those
who are
> > "different".
> >
> >
> > And if you don't like my point of view, tough ****!
> > Another excellent comment from a clearly single celled organism.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
70079 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:22am
Subject: RE: My point of veiw
An INDIVIDUAL has the RIGHT to be as biased and bigoted as he/she
chooses to be; businesses and the GOVERNMENT do not. People need to
understand this fundamental difference.
As an individual, I can choose who I want to be my friends; who I choose
to associate with is MY business and nobody else's. Nobody has the
right to force me to tolerate anyone else -- definitely not the
government. If I am an employer, I have certain limitations that are
established by law, but these laws do not and cannot apply to my
personal life.
I don't have to LIKE your lifestyle, or you or what you do. BUT I am
(and many other veterans are) willing to fight to the death to protect
your right to live the way that you want. But you still can't force me
to accept it and "be your friend."
I think once people stop getting confused between an individual's RIGHT
to be different and an individual's RIGHT to accept or not accept that
difference, this country will be a lot better off.
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
they
are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You live
in
America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any probably
the
right to irritate small minded people.
Mitch
70080 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:03am
Subject: Re: [FS] Warn Winch M8274 for sale
Hey Kim,
How old is that 8274? What condition is it in? Was it used a
lot, or only a few times? Thanks.
Lachlan MacLean
In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
>
70081 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:24am
Subject: [FS] Modified Pre Runner Bar, Window KC Mounts
Price: 25.00
Contact: landen17@hotmail.com
I have a modified Pre Runner bar that was on an XJ, then a YJ, black, good condition, 25.00. I also have a set of window hinge KC mounts for a YJ, black, also in good condition, are on an 87 yj.
Jason Thomas
70082 From: Robert McNeeley <fatbob309@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:33am
Subject: Re: My point of veiw
Mitch,
I think you missed the main point of that little section of the original
post. Or I could have missed it... I have done that before. But I
interpreted it as that just because I see it as wrong doesn't make afraid of
them, or make me hate them, or exclude them. So why would seeing it as wrong
make me a homophobe?
There are a few people in this group that don't what to hear anything that
has to do with church/religion of any type. They see any type or organized
religion as wrong and they voice that opinion. Am I correct in saying that
would be bigotry also? Are they religaphobe because they see organized
religion as wrong?
I don't argue that there are a lot of people that do fear gays and think
that if they work with them, or say hi to them, or are stuck in a group with
some one who is gay, they themselves will become gay. Don't even get me
started on the stupidity of that thought process. Not only is it stupid its
wrong. That would be like saying if you said hi to me you would become
fat... Yeah whatever....
Have a good day at work!
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
To: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>; <arizonajeep@c...>;
"'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> Robert,
>
> Homophobia is the fear of your own homosexuality, not liking homosexuals
> because you think their lifestyle is wrong...that's just bigotry. The
> statement singles out a particular group, like Joe W. pointed out about
the
> blacks. Gay people actually have it pretty bad compared to other groups
out
> there. While many people are racist against skin color and religion, most
> people out there are bigoted against homosexuals. The thing that bothers
me
> about this is that most of the homosexuals I've run across, in my short
time
> on this planet, are the nicest people around.
>
> I'm no liberal, but the original statement posted by bill can be torn
apart
> so easily. At first read I can start to identify with many of the things
in
> there, but then I get to the overtones of religion, bigotry, and I'm not
> going to spend any more time on this now, as I've got a dirty truck I want
> to wash before work :-)
>
> Bill,
>
> Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
they
> are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You live in
> America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
> constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any probably
the
> right to irritate small minded people.
>
> Mitch
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>
> To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>
>
> > Mitch,
> > So I'm a homophobe because I think its wrong??? Wow that's news to me!
> Thank
> > you so much for bringing that to my attention!!! I would be so lost
> thinking
> > that wasn't afraid of gay people even though I believe its wrong.
Please
> > educate me on how a comment like "I think that if you feel homosexuality
> is
> > wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion" is uneducated garble.
> >
> > Robert
> > "Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> > - Anonymous.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> > To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> > <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> >
> >
> > > Well said, Joe. I was thinking along similar lines about the
> > homosexuality
> > > part of it. More uneducated garble.
> > >
> > > Mitch
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
> > > To: "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:09 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> > >
> > >
> > > > As with most things in life... some of this stuff is good and some
is
> > > > rubbish... here's a bit of the rubbish:
> > > >
> > > > The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
> > > > are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black
> > > > Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things
> > like
> > > > the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White
Entertainment
> > > > Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse
Jackson
> > will
> > > > be knocking down your door.
> > > >
> > > > Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't get around much if the only thing
> > that
> > > he
> > > > (we know a woman didn't write this don't we) can list as being
> > > > discriminatory are things related to blacks discriminating against
> > > whites...
> > > > pleasssseeeeeeeee... what rubbish is this? Even a weak minded KKK
> > member
> > > > could do better. Very thinly veiled attempt at racism is all this
> > > paragraph
> > > > is. Strike one.
> > > >
> > > > I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are
> > > > different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who get
> > arrested
> > > > are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is
not
> > > > racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
> > > > Another focus on Blacks... Hmmmmm... this appears to be somewhat of
a
> > > trend.
> > > > The idiot clearly doesn't understand the term "normalization" . Let
> me
> > > make
> > > > it easy for him... when 70% of the people incarcerated in the US are
> > > African
> > > > American and only 23% of the population are African American... one
> can
> > be
> > > > lead to believe that there are "issues" which cause such a
disparity.
> > > > Regardless of what the issues are; they belong to all Americans and
WE
> > > need
> > > > to fix them.
> > > > The focus on African Americans yet again... Strike two.
> > > >
> > > > I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of
> > cigarettes,
> > > a
> > > > newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of
> > fact,
> > > > if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak
> English!.
> > > My
> > > > father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you can
leave
> > the
> > > > countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
> > > > Really? I think if you want to be an American, you should be
tolerant
> > of
> > > > the religious and ethnic origins of all peoples... and people should
> > have
> > > > the FREEDOM to speak whatever language they want, whenever they
want,
> > > > wherever they want. People should learn English as best they can...
> and
> > > > speak whatever language they need to survive here. Speaking and
> > > > understanding English should be a goal; not a mandate from the
> > government
> > > or
> > > > society. More racial overtones... Strike three.
> > > >
> > > > I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that go
> > along
> > > > with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them
> was
> > > born
> > > > in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa
is
> a
> > > > continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because
> my
> > > > great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from
> > > > Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
> > > > Another focus on Blacks... <sigh> This person is a looser racist,
and
> > > > nothing more.
> > > > Even if I could find one thing to agree with him on... I can't get
> past
> > > the
> > > > racist BS.
> > > > This person needs to live a few more lives to "get it". Weak minded
> > > drivel
> > > > such as this is what propagates a weak minded society.
> > > > Perhaps the few people who openly agree with this crap need to take
a
> > few
> > > > moments and reflect on the striking focus on foreigners and those
who
> > are
> > > > "different".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And if you don't like my point of view, tough ****!
> > > > Another excellent comment from a clearly single celled organism.
> > > >
> > > > Joe West
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
>
70083 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:25am
Subject: RE: Re: BFG Krawler update
I would of like to have seen what ripped the SX. As far as tires go there
are a few Swampers, MT/Rs, PJs,ETC that are all about the same as far as
traction goes from what I have seen. I have done all the tough trails and
have not seen another tire do anything that I could not with my 38.5 TSL
SXs. I also think that as long as you have a tire with a soft compound that
sticks to the rocks good the rest is driver skill.
-----Original Message-----
From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:10 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: BFG Krawler update
Interesting. In 4 years of hard wheeling out here I have seen, first hand,
every major type of tire go down in flames ;)
I've seen sidewalls rip in BFG MT's and AT's, TSL radials, TSL's, MT/R's,
SSR's and SX's and a whole handful of less know brands and models.
Yes, even the SX's, first hand, last one was on a run last year the end of
last year, or the beginning of this year, can't remember the date for sure.
Amazingly, to me, I've run BFG MT's, SSR's and now MT/R's, and have never
ripped a sidewall. Don't know why. I run the tougher stuff. People in front
of me have ripped sidewalls, people behind me have ripped sidewalls, people
next to me have ripped sidewalls. Go figure. Now, having said that, I'm
sure, tomorrow, when I go play on an easy trail, I'll rip all 4 sidewalls
LOL ;)
Anyway, to me, traction is a little more important than having a tire with a
6 foot think sidewall that weighs 150 lbs each ;)
Since the MT/R's have been tough 'nough, and, so far, since I've seen
nothing available to the retail market, that matches their traction on the
type of stuff that I run, I'm stick'n with 'em ;) When I rip one, well,
that's what the Discount certificates are for :)
I think that much of the craze with the MT/R's is because they work (at
least here in the west on rocks), and work, probably better than anything
else available in the retail market, IMHO. I've been slow to climb onto the
MT/R bandwagon, just finally getting my first set a month or so ago. But to
say that I'm impressed with 'em, is a huge understatement :)
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...>
To: "'Jay Eller'" <jay@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: BFG Krawler update
> LOL I have not used anything in the AZ rocks but TSL/SXs for over 10 years
> and I have never cut a side wall on them. Until some one comes with a tire
> just as tuff I will stick with them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Eller [mailto:jay@t...]
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:07 AM
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: BFG Krawler update
>
>
> It's funny...........with all of the "craze" to go to MT/R's (which IS a
> good
> tire by the way), now 40" MT/R's, BFG Krawler's, etc.......... I feel so
out
> of date with my tried and true 38.5" TSL/SX's on 15's. Guess I will just
> have to go scrap those damned things. We all know they don't work anyway!
> ;-)
>
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
>
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70084 From: Robert McNeeley <fatbob309@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:37am
Subject: Re: My point of veiw
That was very well said.
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Chatfield" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> An INDIVIDUAL has the RIGHT to be as biased and bigoted as he/she
> chooses to be; businesses and the GOVERNMENT do not. People need to
> understand this fundamental difference.
>
> As an individual, I can choose who I want to be my friends; who I choose
> to associate with is MY business and nobody else's. Nobody has the
> right to force me to tolerate anyone else -- definitely not the
> government. If I am an employer, I have certain limitations that are
> established by law, but these laws do not and cannot apply to my
> personal life.
>
> I don't have to LIKE your lifestyle, or you or what you do. BUT I am
> (and many other veterans are) willing to fight to the death to protect
> your right to live the way that you want. But you still can't force me
> to accept it and "be your friend."
>
> I think once people stop getting confused between an individual's RIGHT
> to be different and an individual's RIGHT to accept or not accept that
> difference, this country will be a lot better off.
>
> - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
>
> Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
> they
> are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You live
> in
> America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
> constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any probably
> the
> right to irritate small minded people.
>
> Mitch
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
70085 From: jaylalib <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:29am
Subject: Anyone from Greenway and Tatum area going to the Clean up Sat,
Not sure how to get there, was wondering if anyone was going from
North Scottsdale...
Jason
70086 From: Trujillo, Jeff <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:39am
Subject: RE: My point of veiw
I too am a Veteran and you couldn't of said it any better. To all those
Veteran's out there - Happy Veteran's Day!!!!!!!!!!
SGT Jeffrey A. Trujillo
US Army
9 years of Selfless Service Protecting your rights to do what you want, say
what you want and be with whom you want! I may not like it, but, I chose to
do my job.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:fatbob309@e...]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:38 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Mike Chatfield
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
That was very well said.
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Chatfield" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> An INDIVIDUAL has the RIGHT to be as biased and bigoted as he/she
> chooses to be; businesses and the GOVERNMENT do not. People need to
> understand this fundamental difference.
>
> As an individual, I can choose who I want to be my friends; who I choose
> to associate with is MY business and nobody else's. Nobody has the
> right to force me to tolerate anyone else -- definitely not the
> government. If I am an employer, I have certain limitations that are
> established by law, but these laws do not and cannot apply to my
> personal life.
>
> I don't have to LIKE your lifestyle, or you or what you do. BUT I am
> (and many other veterans are) willing to fight to the death to protect
> your right to live the way that you want. But you still can't force me
> to accept it and "be your friend."
>
> I think once people stop getting confused between an individual's RIGHT
> to be different and an individual's RIGHT to accept or not accept that
> difference, this country will be a lot better off.
>
> - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
>
> Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
> they
> are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You live
> in
> America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
> constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any probably
> the
> right to irritate small minded people.
>
> Mitch
>
>
>
>
>
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70087 From: Darren Richards <r50880@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:53am
Subject: Re: My point of veiw
Robert,
I'm on a diet and have been going to the gym 6 days a week. (That was
my New Year's resolution, and I've stuck to it for over 10 months now!!)
So if I see you at the coves cleanup, could you please not say hi to me?
<grin> I don't want to ruin 10 months of hard work. Call me an
obesophobe if you like, I don't care... :)
-darren
Robert McNeeley wrote:
> Mitch,
> I think you missed the main point of that little section of the original
> post. Or I could have missed it... I have done that before. But I
> interpreted it as that just because I see it as wrong doesn't make afraid of
> them, or make me hate them, or exclude them. So why would seeing it as wrong
> make me a homophobe?
>
> There are a few people in this group that don't what to hear anything that
> has to do with church/religion of any type. They see any type or organized
> religion as wrong and they voice that opinion. Am I correct in saying that
> would be bigotry also? Are they religaphobe because they see organized
> religion as wrong?
>
> I don't argue that there are a lot of people that do fear gays and think
> that if they work with them, or say hi to them, or are stuck in a group with
> some one who is gay, they themselves will become gay. Don't even get me
> started on the stupidity of that thought process. Not only is it stupid its
> wrong. That would be like saying if you said hi to me you would become
> fat... Yeah whatever....
> Have a good day at work!
>
> Robert
> "Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> - Anonymous.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> To: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>; <arizonajeep@c...>;
> "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>
>
>
>>Robert,
>>
>>Homophobia is the fear of your own homosexuality, not liking homosexuals
>>because you think their lifestyle is wrong...that's just bigotry. The
>>statement singles out a particular group, like Joe W. pointed out about
>>
> the
>
>>blacks. Gay people actually have it pretty bad compared to other groups
>>
> out
>
>>there. While many people are racist against skin color and religion, most
>>people out there are bigoted against homosexuals. The thing that bothers
>>
> me
>
>>about this is that most of the homosexuals I've run across, in my short
>>
> time
>
>>on this planet, are the nicest people around.
>>
>>I'm no liberal, but the original statement posted by bill can be torn
>>
> apart
>
>>so easily. At first read I can start to identify with many of the things
>>
> in
>
>>there, but then I get to the overtones of religion, bigotry, and I'm not
>>going to spend any more time on this now, as I've got a dirty truck I want
>>to wash before work :-)
>>
>>Bill,
>>
>>Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
>>
> they
>
>>are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You live in
>>America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
>>constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any probably
>>
> the
>
>>right to irritate small minded people.
>>
>>Mitch
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>
>>To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
>><az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
>>Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:45 AM
>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>>
>>
>>
>>>Mitch,
>>>So I'm a homophobe because I think its wrong??? Wow that's news to me!
>>>
>>Thank
>>
>>>you so much for bringing that to my attention!!! I would be so lost
>>>
>>thinking
>>
>>>that wasn't afraid of gay people even though I believe its wrong.
>>>
> Please
>
>>>educate me on how a comment like "I think that if you feel homosexuality
>>>
>>is
>>
>>>wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion" is uneducated garble.
>>>
>>>Robert
>>>"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
>>>- Anonymous.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
>>>To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
>>><az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:58 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well said, Joe. I was thinking along similar lines about the
>>>>
>>>homosexuality
>>>
>>>>part of it. More uneducated garble.
>>>>
>>>>Mitch
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
>>>>To: "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
>>>>
> <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:09 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>As with most things in life... some of this stuff is good and some
>>>>>
> is
>
>>>>>rubbish... here's a bit of the rubbish:
>>>>>
>>>>>The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
>>>>>are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black
>>>>>Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things
>>>>>
>>>like
>>>
>>>>>the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White
>>>>>
> Entertainment
>
>>>>>Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse
>>>>>
> Jackson
>
>>>will
>>>
>>>>>be knocking down your door.
>>>>>
>>>>>Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't get around much if the only thing
>>>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>>he
>>>>
>>>>>(we know a woman didn't write this don't we) can list as being
>>>>>discriminatory are things related to blacks discriminating against
>>>>>
>>>>whites...
>>>>
>>>>>pleasssseeeeeeeee... what rubbish is this? Even a weak minded KKK
>>>>>
>>>member
>>>
>>>>>could do better. Very thinly veiled attempt at racism is all this
>>>>>
>>>>paragraph
>>>>
>>>>>is. Strike one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are
>>>>>different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who get
>>>>>
>>>arrested
>>>
>>>>>are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is
>>>>>
> not
>
>>>>>racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
>>>>>Another focus on Blacks... Hmmmmm... this appears to be somewhat of
>>>>>
> a
>
>>>>trend.
>>>>
>>>>>The idiot clearly doesn't understand the term "normalization" . Let
>>>>>
>>me
>>
>>>>make
>>>>
>>>>>it easy for him... when 70% of the people incarcerated in the US are
>>>>>
>>>>African
>>>>
>>>>>American and only 23% of the population are African American... one
>>>>>
>>can
>>
>>>be
>>>
>>>>>lead to believe that there are "issues" which cause such a
>>>>>
> disparity.
>
>>>>>Regardless of what the issues are; they belong to all Americans and
>>>>>
> WE
>
>>>>need
>>>>
>>>>>to fix them.
>>>>>The focus on African Americans yet again... Strike two.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of
>>>>>
>>>cigarettes,
>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of
>>>>>
>>>fact,
>>>
>>>>>if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak
>>>>>
>>English!.
>>
>>>>My
>>>>
>>>>>father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you can
>>>>>
> leave
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
>>>>>Really? I think if you want to be an American, you should be
>>>>>
> tolerant
>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>>the religious and ethnic origins of all peoples... and people should
>>>>>
>>>have
>>>
>>>>>the FREEDOM to speak whatever language they want, whenever they
>>>>>
> want,
>
>>>>>wherever they want. People should learn English as best they can...
>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>speak whatever language they need to survive here. Speaking and
>>>>>understanding English should be a goal; not a mandate from the
>>>>>
>>>government
>>>
>>>>or
>>>>
>>>>>society. More racial overtones... Strike three.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that go
>>>>>
>>>along
>>>
>>>>>with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them
>>>>>
>>was
>>
>>>>born
>>>>
>>>>>in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa
>>>>>
> is
>
>>a
>>
>>>>>continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because
>>>>>
>>my
>>
>>>>>great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from
>>>>> Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
>>>>>Another focus on Blacks... <sigh> This person is a looser racist,
>>>>>
> and
>
>>>>>nothing more.
>>>>>Even if I could find one thing to agree with him on... I can't get
>>>>>
>>past
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>racist BS.
>>>>>This person needs to live a few more lives to "get it". Weak minded
>>>>>
>>>>drivel
>>>>
>>>>>such as this is what propagates a weak minded society.
>>>>>Perhaps the few people who openly agree with this crap need to take
>>>>>
> a
>
>>>few
>>>
>>>>>moments and reflect on the striking focus on foreigners and those
>>>>>
> who
>
>>>are
>>>
>>>>>"different".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you don't like my point of view, tough ****!
>>>>>Another excellent comment from a clearly single celled organism.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joe West
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>>
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>>>>
>
>
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>
>
70088 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:54am
Subject: Re: Anyone from Greenway and Tatum area going to the Clean up Sat,
Easiest way from N Scottsdale is to take Shea to the end. Hang a
left, then look for the Lake turn off on the right. It is a few
miles down, and well signed. After you take the right, follow it
down till you see Butcher Jones. Go to the back of the parking lot,
and you will see the green gates open.
HTH,
Mike Baney
-- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib1@c...> wrote:
> Not sure how to get there, was wondering if anyone was going from
> North Scottsdale...
>
> Jason
70089 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 10:05am
Subject: Re: [FS] Scout Axles
What side are the diffs on? Center, right left? Front axle and on
the rear? Would these be a good swap into a TJ?
Chris
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70090 From: Joe-CJ7 <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 10:09am
Subject: RE: My point of view
I also am a Veteran! Well Air Force if you want to call that and armed
service. <grin>
I am also a disabled Vet, (not war related)
8 Years
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...
-----Original Message-----
From: Trujillo, Jeff [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:40 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
I too am a Veteran and you couldn't of said it any better. To all those
Veteran's out there - Happy Veteran's Day!!!!!!!!!!
SGT Jeffrey A. Trujillo
US Army
9 years of Selfless Service Protecting your rights to do what you want,
say
what you want and be with whom you want! I may not like it, but, I chose
to
do my job.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:fatbob309@e...]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:38 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Mike Chatfield
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
That was very well said.
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Chatfield" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> An INDIVIDUAL has the RIGHT to be as biased and bigoted as he/she
> chooses to be; businesses and the GOVERNMENT do not. People need to
> understand this fundamental difference.
>
> As an individual, I can choose who I want to be my friends; who I
choose
> to associate with is MY business and nobody else's. Nobody has the
> right to force me to tolerate anyone else -- definitely not the
> government. If I am an employer, I have certain limitations that are
> established by law, but these laws do not and cannot apply to my
> personal life.
>
> I don't have to LIKE your lifestyle, or you or what you do. BUT I am
> (and many other veterans are) willing to fight to the death to protect
> your right to live the way that you want. But you still can't force
me
> to accept it and "be your friend."
>
> I think once people stop getting confused between an individual's
RIGHT
> to be different and an individual's RIGHT to accept or not accept that
> difference, this country will be a lot better off.
>
> - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
>
> Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others
because
> they
> are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You
live
> in
> America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
> constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any
probably
> the
> right to irritate small minded people.
>
> Mitch
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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70091 From: Robert McNeeley <fatbob309@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 10:21am
Subject: Re: My point of veiw
That is the funniest thing I have seen all day. Look out for the Jeep with
FAT BOB on the plate!
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Richards" <darren.richards@m...>
To: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>
Cc: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> Robert,
>
> I'm on a diet and have been going to the gym 6 days a week. (That was
> my New Year's resolution, and I've stuck to it for over 10 months now!!)
> So if I see you at the coves cleanup, could you please not say hi to me?
> <grin> I don't want to ruin 10 months of hard work. Call me an
> obesophobe if you like, I don't care... :)
>
> -darren
>
> Robert McNeeley wrote:
>
> > Mitch,
> > I think you missed the main point of that little section of the original
> > post. Or I could have missed it... I have done that before. But I
> > interpreted it as that just because I see it as wrong doesn't make
afraid of
> > them, or make me hate them, or exclude them. So why would seeing it as
wrong
> > make me a homophobe?
> >
> > There are a few people in this group that don't what to hear anything
that
> > has to do with church/religion of any type. They see any type or
organized
> > religion as wrong and they voice that opinion. Am I correct in saying
that
> > would be bigotry also? Are they religaphobe because they see organized
> > religion as wrong?
> >
> > I don't argue that there are a lot of people that do fear gays and think
> > that if they work with them, or say hi to them, or are stuck in a group
with
> > some one who is gay, they themselves will become gay. Don't even get me
> > started on the stupidity of that thought process. Not only is it stupid
its
> > wrong. That would be like saying if you said hi to me you would become
> > fat... Yeah whatever....
> > Have a good day at work!
> >
> > Robert
> > "Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> > - Anonymous.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> > To: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>;
<arizonajeep@c...>;
> > "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> >
> >
> >
> >>Robert,
> >>
> >>Homophobia is the fear of your own homosexuality, not liking homosexuals
> >>because you think their lifestyle is wrong...that's just bigotry. The
> >>statement singles out a particular group, like Joe W. pointed out about
> >>
> > the
> >
> >>blacks. Gay people actually have it pretty bad compared to other groups
> >>
> > out
> >
> >>there. While many people are racist against skin color and religion,
most
> >>people out there are bigoted against homosexuals. The thing that
bothers
> >>
> > me
> >
> >>about this is that most of the homosexuals I've run across, in my short
> >>
> > time
> >
> >>on this planet, are the nicest people around.
> >>
> >>I'm no liberal, but the original statement posted by bill can be torn
> >>
> > apart
> >
> >>so easily. At first read I can start to identify with many of the
things
> >>
> > in
> >
> >>there, but then I get to the overtones of religion, bigotry, and I'm not
> >>going to spend any more time on this now, as I've got a dirty truck I
want
> >>to wash before work :-)
> >>
> >>Bill,
> >>
> >>Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
> >>
> > they
> >
> >>are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You live
in
> >>America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
> >>constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any probably
> >>
> > the
> >
> >>right to irritate small minded people.
> >>
> >>Mitch
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>
> >>To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> >><az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> >>Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:45 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Mitch,
> >>>So I'm a homophobe because I think its wrong??? Wow that's news to me!
> >>>
> >>Thank
> >>
> >>>you so much for bringing that to my attention!!! I would be so lost
> >>>
> >>thinking
> >>
> >>>that wasn't afraid of gay people even though I believe its wrong.
> >>>
> > Please
> >
> >>>educate me on how a comment like "I think that if you feel
homosexuality
> >>>
> >>is
> >>
> >>>wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion" is uneducated garble.
> >>>
> >>>Robert
> >>>"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> >>>- Anonymous.
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> >>>To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> >>><az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:58 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Well said, Joe. I was thinking along similar lines about the
> >>>>
> >>>homosexuality
> >>>
> >>>>part of it. More uneducated garble.
> >>>>
> >>>>Mitch
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
> >>>>To: "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> >>>>
> > <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >
> >>>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:09 PM
> >>>>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>As with most things in life... some of this stuff is good and some
> >>>>>
> > is
> >
> >>>>>rubbish... here's a bit of the rubbish:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
> >>>>>are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black
> >>>>>Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things
> >>>>>
> >>>like
> >>>
> >>>>>the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White
> >>>>>
> > Entertainment
> >
> >>>>>Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse
> >>>>>
> > Jackson
> >
> >>>will
> >>>
> >>>>>be knocking down your door.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't get around much if the only thing
> >>>>>
> >>>that
> >>>
> >>>>he
> >>>>
> >>>>>(we know a woman didn't write this don't we) can list as being
> >>>>>discriminatory are things related to blacks discriminating against
> >>>>>
> >>>>whites...
> >>>>
> >>>>>pleasssseeeeeeeee... what rubbish is this? Even a weak minded KKK
> >>>>>
> >>>member
> >>>
> >>>>>could do better. Very thinly veiled attempt at racism is all this
> >>>>>
> >>>>paragraph
> >>>>
> >>>>>is. Strike one.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are
> >>>>>different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who get
> >>>>>
> >>>arrested
> >>>
> >>>>>are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is
> >>>>>
> > not
> >
> >>>>>racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
> >>>>>Another focus on Blacks... Hmmmmm... this appears to be somewhat of
> >>>>>
> > a
> >
> >>>>trend.
> >>>>
> >>>>>The idiot clearly doesn't understand the term "normalization" . Let
> >>>>>
> >>me
> >>
> >>>>make
> >>>>
> >>>>>it easy for him... when 70% of the people incarcerated in the US are
> >>>>>
> >>>>African
> >>>>
> >>>>>American and only 23% of the population are African American... one
> >>>>>
> >>can
> >>
> >>>be
> >>>
> >>>>>lead to believe that there are "issues" which cause such a
> >>>>>
> > disparity.
> >
> >>>>>Regardless of what the issues are; they belong to all Americans and
> >>>>>
> > WE
> >
> >>>>need
> >>>>
> >>>>>to fix them.
> >>>>>The focus on African Americans yet again... Strike two.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of
> >>>>>
> >>>cigarettes,
> >>>
> >>>>a
> >>>>
> >>>>>newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of
> >>>>>
> >>>fact,
> >>>
> >>>>>if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak
> >>>>>
> >>English!.
> >>
> >>>>My
> >>>>
> >>>>>father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you can
> >>>>>
> > leave
> >
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>>countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
> >>>>>Really? I think if you want to be an American, you should be
> >>>>>
> > tolerant
> >
> >>>of
> >>>
> >>>>>the religious and ethnic origins of all peoples... and people should
> >>>>>
> >>>have
> >>>
> >>>>>the FREEDOM to speak whatever language they want, whenever they
> >>>>>
> > want,
> >
> >>>>>wherever they want. People should learn English as best they can...
> >>>>>
> >>and
> >>
> >>>>>speak whatever language they need to survive here. Speaking and
> >>>>>understanding English should be a goal; not a mandate from the
> >>>>>
> >>>government
> >>>
> >>>>or
> >>>>
> >>>>>society. More racial overtones... Strike three.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that go
> >>>>>
> >>>along
> >>>
> >>>>>with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them
> >>>>>
> >>was
> >>
> >>>>born
> >>>>
> >>>>>in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa
> >>>>>
> > is
> >
> >>a
> >>
> >>>>>continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because
> >>>>>
> >>my
> >>
> >>>>>great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from
> >>>>> Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
> >>>>>Another focus on Blacks... <sigh> This person is a looser racist,
> >>>>>
> > and
> >
> >>>>>nothing more.
> >>>>>Even if I could find one thing to agree with him on... I can't get
> >>>>>
> >>past
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>>racist BS.
> >>>>>This person needs to live a few more lives to "get it". Weak minded
> >>>>>
> >>>>drivel
> >>>>
> >>>>>such as this is what propagates a weak minded society.
> >>>>>Perhaps the few people who openly agree with this crap need to take
> >>>>>
> > a
> >
> >>>few
> >>>
> >>>>>moments and reflect on the striking focus on foreigners and those
> >>>>>
> > who
> >
> >>>are
> >>>
> >>>>>"different".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And if you don't like my point of view, tough ****!
> >>>>>Another excellent comment from a clearly single celled organism.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Joe West
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> >>>>>
> >>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> >>>>
> >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
70092 From: azredrocker <gotrox@c...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:03am
Subject: Re: My point of veiw
MOMMY MOMMY MAKE THE BAD PEOPLE GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hehehe are we having fun yet?
Neal
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...> wrote:
> That is the funniest thing I have seen all day. Look out for the
Jeep with
> FAT BOB on the plate!
> Robert
> "Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> - Anonymous.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darren Richards" <darren.richards@m...>
> To: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>
> Cc: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>
>
> > Robert,
> >
> > I'm on a diet and have been going to the gym 6 days a week.
(That was
> > my New Year's resolution, and I've stuck to it for over 10 months
now!!)
> > So if I see you at the coves cleanup, could you please not say hi
to me?
> > <grin> I don't want to ruin 10 months of hard work. Call me an
> > obesophobe if you like, I don't care... :)
> >
> > -darren
> >
> > Robert McNeeley wrote:
> >
> > > Mitch,
> > > I think you missed the main point of that little section of the
original
> > > post. Or I could have missed it... I have done that before. But
I
> > > interpreted it as that just because I see it as wrong doesn't
make
> afraid of
> > > them, or make me hate them, or exclude them. So why would
seeing it as
> wrong
> > > make me a homophobe?
> > >
> > > There are a few people in this group that don't what to hear
anything
> that
> > > has to do with church/religion of any type. They see any type or
> organized
> > > religion as wrong and they voice that opinion. Am I correct in
saying
> that
> > > would be bigotry also? Are they religaphobe because they see
organized
> > > religion as wrong?
> > >
> > > I don't argue that there are a lot of people that do fear gays
and think
> > > that if they work with them, or say hi to them, or are stuck in
a group
> with
> > > some one who is gay, they themselves will become gay. Don't
even get me
> > > started on the stupidity of that thought process. Not only is
it stupid
> its
> > > wrong. That would be like saying if you said hi to me you would
become
> > > fat... Yeah whatever....
> > > Have a good day at work!
> > >
> > > Robert
> > > "Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> > > - Anonymous.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> > > To: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>;
> <arizonajeep@c...>;
> > > "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'" <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:18 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Robert,
> > >>
> > >>Homophobia is the fear of your own homosexuality, not liking
homosexuals
> > >>because you think their lifestyle is wrong...that's just
bigotry. The
> > >>statement singles out a particular group, like Joe W. pointed
out about
> > >>
> > > the
> > >
> > >>blacks. Gay people actually have it pretty bad compared to
other groups
> > >>
> > > out
> > >
> > >>there. While many people are racist against skin color and
religion,
> most
> > >>people out there are bigoted against homosexuals. The thing
that
> bothers
> > >>
> > > me
> > >
> > >>about this is that most of the homosexuals I've run across, in
my short
> > >>
> > > time
> > >
> > >>on this planet, are the nicest people around.
> > >>
> > >>I'm no liberal, but the original statement posted by bill can
be torn
> > >>
> > > apart
> > >
> > >>so easily. At first read I can start to identify with many of
the
> things
> > >>
> > > in
> > >
> > >>there, but then I get to the overtones of religion, bigotry,
and I'm not
> > >>going to spend any more time on this now, as I've got a dirty
truck I
> want
> > >>to wash before work :-)
> > >>
> > >>Bill,
> > >>
> > >>Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others
because
> > >>
> > > they
> > >
> > >>are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed.
You live
> in
> > >>America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all.
Our
> > >>constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any
probably
> > >>
> > > the
> > >
> > >>right to irritate small minded people.
> > >>
> > >>Mitch
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>
> > >>To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> > >><az_vjc@y...>; "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> > >>Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:45 AM
> > >>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Mitch,
> > >>>So I'm a homophobe because I think its wrong??? Wow that's
news to me!
> > >>>
> > >>Thank
> > >>
> > >>>you so much for bringing that to my attention!!! I would be so
lost
> > >>>
> > >>thinking
> > >>
> > >>>that wasn't afraid of gay people even though I believe its
wrong.
> > >>>
> > > Please
> > >
> > >>>educate me on how a comment like "I think that if you feel
> homosexuality
> > >>>
> > >>is
> > >>
> > >>>wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion" is uneducated
garble.
> > >>>
> > >>>Robert
> > >>>"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> > >>>- Anonymous.
> > >>>
> > >>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> > >>>To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> > >>><az_vjc@y...>
> > >>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:58 PM
> > >>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Well said, Joe. I was thinking along similar lines about the
> > >>>>
> > >>>homosexuality
> > >>>
> > >>>>part of it. More uneducated garble.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Mitch
> > >>>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
> > >>>>To: "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> > >>>>
> > > <az_vjc@y...>
> > >
> > >>>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:09 PM
> > >>>>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>As with most things in life... some of this stuff is good
and some
> > >>>>>
> > > is
> > >
> > >>>>>rubbish... here's a bit of the rubbish:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
> > >>>>>are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine,
Black
> > >>>>>Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to
have things
> > >>>>>
> > >>>like
> > >>>
> > >>>>>the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White
> > >>>>>
> > > Entertainment
> > >
> > >>>>>Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse
> > >>>>>
> > > Jackson
> > >
> > >>>will
> > >>>
> > >>>>>be knocking down your door.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't get around much if the
only thing
> > >>>>>
> > >>>that
> > >>>
> > >>>>he
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>(we know a woman didn't write this don't we) can list as
being
> > >>>>>discriminatory are things related to blacks discriminating
against
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>whites...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>pleasssseeeeeeeee... what rubbish is this? Even a weak
minded KKK
> > >>>>>
> > >>>member
> > >>>
> > >>>>>could do better. Very thinly veiled attempt at racism is
all this
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>paragraph
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>is. Strike one.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
they are
> > >>>>>different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who
get
> > >>>>>
> > >>>arrested
> > >>>
> > >>>>>are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black,
that is
> > >>>>>
> > > not
> > >
> > >>>>>racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
> > >>>>>Another focus on Blacks... Hmmmmm... this appears to be
somewhat of
> > >>>>>
> > > a
> > >
> > >>>>trend.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>The idiot clearly doesn't understand the
term "normalization" . Let
> > >>>>>
> > >>me
> > >>
> > >>>>make
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>it easy for him... when 70% of the people incarcerated in
the US are
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>African
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>American and only 23% of the population are African
American... one
> > >>>>>
> > >>can
> > >>
> > >>>be
> > >>>
> > >>>>>lead to believe that there are "issues" which cause such a
> > >>>>>
> > > disparity.
> > >
> > >>>>>Regardless of what the issues are; they belong to all
Americans and
> > >>>>>
> > > WE
> > >
> > >>>>need
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>to fix them.
> > >>>>>The focus on African Americans yet again... Strike two.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of
> > >>>>>
> > >>>cigarettes,
> > >>>
> > >>>>a
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a
matter of
> > >>>>>
> > >>>fact,
> > >>>
> > >>>>>if you want to be an American citizen you should have to
speak
> > >>>>>
> > >>English!.
> > >>
> > >>>>My
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you
can
> > >>>>>
> > > leave
> > >
> > >>>the
> > >>>
> > >>>>>countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
> > >>>>>Really? I think if you want to be an American, you should be
> > >>>>>
> > > tolerant
> > >
> > >>>of
> > >>>
> > >>>>>the religious and ethnic origins of all peoples... and
people should
> > >>>>>
> > >>>have
> > >>>
> > >>>>>the FREEDOM to speak whatever language they want, whenever
they
> > >>>>>
> > > want,
> > >
> > >>>>>wherever they want. People should learn English as best
they can...
> > >>>>>
> > >>and
> > >>
> > >>>>>speak whatever language they need to survive here. Speaking
and
> > >>>>>understanding English should be a goal; not a mandate from
the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>government
> > >>>
> > >>>>or
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>society. More racial overtones... Strike three.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups
that go
> > >>>>>
> > >>>along
> > >>>
> > >>>>>with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one
of them
> > >>>>>
> > >>was
> > >>
> > >>>>born
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides,
Africa
> > >>>>>
> > > is
> > >
> > >>a
> > >>
> > >>>>>continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American
because
> > >>>>>
> > >>my
> > >>
> > >>>>>great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from
> > >>>>> Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
> > >>>>>Another focus on Blacks... <sigh> This person is a looser
racist,
> > >>>>>
> > > and
> > >
> > >>>>>nothing more.
> > >>>>>Even if I could find one thing to agree with him on... I
can't get
> > >>>>>
> > >>past
> > >>
> > >>>>the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>racist BS.
> > >>>>>This person needs to live a few more lives to "get it".
Weak minded
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>drivel
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>such as this is what propagates a weak minded society.
> > >>>>>Perhaps the few people who openly agree with this crap need
to take
> > >>>>>
> > > a
> > >
> > >>>few
> > >>>
> > >>>>>moments and reflect on the striking focus on foreigners and
those
> > >>>>>
> > > who
> > >
> > >>>are
> > >>>
> > >>>>>"different".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> And if you don't like my point of view, tough ****!
> > >>>>>Another excellent comment from a clearly single celled
organism.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Joe West
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > >>>>
> > >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
70093 From: Matt aka Machew <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:18am
Subject: SEDONA This weekend
I'm going to be in Sedona this weekend, does anyone know of any events
that are happening this weekend?
The girlfriend likes the arts, "zZzZzZzZz" The boy and I would like to
check out some trails.... after the walking nap. Any suggestions on
both would be appreciated.
70094 From: <rioshilo@a...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 6:22am
Subject: Re: My point of view
Well Joe... I guess you can add me to that list of people that you feel compelled to be embarrassed for. It must be a big list, because I know I'm not alone out here.
Rio... Standing up and shouting Hell Yeah!!
In a message dated 11/08/2002 8:16:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, joe.west@synopsys.com writes:
And for those of you who agree with such things; I am truly embarrassed for
you.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
70095 From: Joe-CJ7 <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:35am
Subject: RE: SEDONA This weekend
I know of a couple of great events.
One id the coves clean up and then you can go right up the street and
see the Fountain Hills Arts and Crafts.
But you should not miss the Coves Clean up.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt aka Machew [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:19 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] SEDONA This weekend
I'm going to be in Sedona this weekend, does anyone know of any events
that are happening this weekend?
The girlfriend likes the arts, "zZzZzZzZz" The boy and I would like to
check out some trails.... after the walking nap. Any suggestions on
both would be appreciated.
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70096 From: Mike Golden <mgolden@c...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:49am
Subject: Re: Does 4 wheelers EVER answer their phone?
Hell, if I would've know you were there, I would have just asked for
you! :-)
Actually it worked out great... Because I couldn't find out if they had
one in stock, I still hadn't bought the lock right when Ryan posted one
last night for 1/3 the price of new! If they would have answered their
phone, I probably would have already gotten it. Thanks guys!
I know everybody has been bagging on Desert Rat, but I've never had any
problems there. I've been to the one on Rural and I-60 several times
and have always been helped right away. It may help that every time I
go in there I already know exactly what I want, but the guys I've talked
to have always seemed friendly and knowledgeable. I know they're not
the "officially sanctioned azvjc parts store", but like I care. :-)
Now Lopers on the other hand... It'll be a cold day in hell before I
ever step foot inside that place again.
Mike
Bill - Jeeps Only wrote:
>
> Ha! I was in the store about the time you wrote this and it was crazy. Are
> you the freaking caller that interrupted my time with the guy at the counter
> since he had to answer the phone :-)? Actually the phones were ringing off
> the hook and the guys behind the counter were running around going nuts. I
> guess everyone's getting ready for some 4 wheeling for the holiday weekend.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Golden" <mgolden@c...>
> To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:17 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Does 4 wheelers EVER answer their phone?
>
> > Just got done waiting 15 minutes on hold with 4 wheelers supply. They
> > did the whole "Can you hold please?" and then put me on eternal hold. I
> > called back and they did the same thing!
> >
> > Are they really that busy on a Thursday afternoon?!?! I just wanted a
> > price on a Lock Right from them, but I guess I'll just go to Desert
> > Rodent since they answer their phone and have the price listed on their
> > web site!
> >
> > Mike
> > --
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> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
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70097 From: Smitty <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:55am
Subject: Jeepavan to Coves from Westside?
anyone want to Jeepavan to the coves in the morning.
If so how about meeting at I-17 and the 101 in the Target Parking lot at 7am?
Smitty
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70098 From: rob holmes <rob_c_holmes@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 0:21pm
Subject: Re: Re: [FS] Scout Axles
Scout rear axles are always centered and 5 on 5.5 if
it's a half ton truck. They are usally 58 or 60 inches
wide which is just right for a TJ.
The front is a different matter. Scouts use a positive
[forward] caster, which is the opposite of most
vehicles including Jeep. This means having a shop [or
a well equipped individual, grind and rotate the
knuckle yokes to the proper degree of caster [in
relation to a level pinion angle].
Also, I don't know how many, if any, were Driver's
side differential.
rob holmes
--- Chris <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> What side are the diffs on? Center, right left?
> Front axle and on
> the rear? Would these be a good swap into a TJ?
> Chris
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70099 From: astro0130 <oops__@h...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 0:22pm
Subject: need your opinion
Ok its opinion time. First off, I am looking at buying a new Jeep.
Most likely a Rubicon. So where is the best dealership to go to and
get treated fairly? If one such thing exsist. I live in the east
valley, but will make the trip anywhere if I need to. (I will NOT
got to earnhardts though) Second question, is the Rubicon really
worth it compared to buying a sport and upgrading it? I think so but
I am not as up on all the mechanical stuff as some of you out there.
thanks
Chris George
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70075 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:02am
Subject: Another thank you....
BIG thanks to Ruben Aviles!!! His company donated 120 pairs of work
gloves!!!!!!!!
I will have them in the morning to pass out..
Mike Baney
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70076 From: Darren Richards <r50880@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:06am
Subject: Re: My point of view
If it makes you feel better to be embarrassed for me, then so be it.
Your ability to use complex words in your diatribes does not make your
opinions any more or less rubbish than those of the next person. The
fact that you feel you must insult those with differing opinions
indicates to me that you really need to live a few more lives to "get
it", as you put it. I respect your opinions, but I don't feel I have to
insult you to get my point across.
To be clear, I am not personally offended by any of your posts. But
others might be. You have insinuated that those who do not prescribe to
your way of thinking are small-minded, idiotic, racist, single-celled
organisms with a small intellect who you are embarrassed to be
associated with. Since most people in this group (and in real life) do
have differing opinions, you are doing a good job at insulting and
alienating a lot of people.
regards,
darren
Joe West wrote:
> Oh... you haven't yet achieved perfection... *Now* I understand....
> Talk to me again in a hundred or so lives after you achieve perfection and
> you'll be much better equipped to understand.
> <grin>
>
> By the way, I really don't think that my opinions carry more weight but you
> are right that I can call other peoples writing rubbish when they are
> rubbish.
>
> That post was nothing more than the racist output from a very small mind....
> it had only one redeeming quality in my mind; it reminded me that folks like
> this still exist in America. I don't tend to travel in circles where such
> small intellect is the norm so I tend to be somewhat filtered from such
> bigotry, intolerance, and hatred pontificated in that diatribe passed along
> by Bill. Even if that post was a joke... it was a poor one.
>
> And for those of you who agree with such things; I am truly embarrassed for
> you.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Richards [mailto:r50880@e...]
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:27 AM
> To: arizonajeep@c...
> Cc: 'Bill Mish'; '1'
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>
>
> I dunno, Joe. It seems that because you've lived more lives than most,
> and you compose your emails from a Sun workstation running Unix, that
> you feel your opinions carry more weight and you can call other people's
> opinions rubbish. I hate to burst your bubble, but this is my final
> life before I achieve perfection, AND I'm sitting in front of a Sun
> workstation running Solaris right now. :) While I probably could have
> been a bit more eloquent than the original post, I feel that his point
> was well made, and I can sum up my response to it in two words: HELL YEAH.
>
> regards,
> darren
>
> Joe W wrote:
>
>
>>As with most things in life... some of this stuff is good and some is
>>rubbish... here's a bit of the rubbish:
>>
>>The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
>>are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black
>>Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like
>>the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment
>>Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse Jackson will
>>be knocking down your door.
>>
>>Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't get around much if the only thing that
>>
> he
>
>>(we know a woman didn't write this don't we) can list as being
>>discriminatory are things related to blacks discriminating against
>>
> whites...
>
>>pleasssseeeeeeeee... what rubbish is this? Even a weak minded KKK member
>>could do better. Very thinly veiled attempt at racism is all this
>>
> paragraph
>
>>is. Strike one.
>>
>> I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are
>>different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who get arrested
>>are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not
>>racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
>>Another focus on Blacks... Hmmmmm... this appears to be somewhat of a
>>
> trend.
>
>>The idiot clearly doesn't understand the term "normalization" . Let me
>>
> make
>
>>it easy for him... when 70% of the people incarcerated in the US are
>>
> African
>
>>American and only 23% of the population are African American... one can be
>>lead to believe that there are "issues" which cause such a disparity.
>>Regardless of what the issues are; they belong to all Americans and WE
>>
> need
>
>>to fix them.
>>The focus on African Americans yet again... Strike two.
>>
>> I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of cigarettes,
>>
> a
>
>>newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact,
>>if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak English!.
>>
> My
>
>>father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you can leave the
>>countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
>>Really? I think if you want to be an American, you should be tolerant of
>>the religious and ethnic origins of all peoples... and people should have
>>the FREEDOM to speak whatever language they want, whenever they want,
>>wherever they want. People should learn English as best they can... and
>>speak whatever language they need to survive here. Speaking and
>>understanding English should be a goal; not a mandate from the government
>>
> or
>
>>society. More racial overtones... Strike three.
>>
>>I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that go along
>>with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was
>>
> born
>
>>in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a
>>continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my
>>great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from
>> Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
>>Another focus on Blacks... <sigh> This person is a looser racist, and
>>nothing more.
>>Even if I could find one thing to agree with him on... I can't get past
>>
> the
>
>>racist BS.
>>This person needs to live a few more lives to "get it". Weak minded
>>
> drivel
>
>>such as this is what propagates a weak minded society.
>>Perhaps the few people who openly agree with this crap need to take a few
>>moments and reflect on the striking focus on foreigners and those who are
>>"different".
>>
>>
>> And if you don't like my point of view, tough ****!
>>Another excellent comment from a clearly single celled organism.
>>
>>Joe West
>>
>>
>>
>>
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70077 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:10am
Subject: Re: Re: BFG Krawler update
Interesting. In 4 years of hard wheeling out here I have seen, first hand,
every major type of tire go down in flames ;)
I've seen sidewalls rip in BFG MT's and AT's, TSL radials, TSL's, MT/R's,
SSR's and SX's and a whole handful of less know brands and models.
Yes, even the SX's, first hand, last one was on a run last year the end of
last year, or the beginning of this year, can't remember the date for sure.
Amazingly, to me, I've run BFG MT's, SSR's and now MT/R's, and have never
ripped a sidewall. Don't know why. I run the tougher stuff. People in front
of me have ripped sidewalls, people behind me have ripped sidewalls, people
next to me have ripped sidewalls. Go figure. Now, having said that, I'm
sure, tomorrow, when I go play on an easy trail, I'll rip all 4 sidewalls
LOL ;)
Anyway, to me, traction is a little more important than having a tire with a
6 foot think sidewall that weighs 150 lbs each ;)
Since the MT/R's have been tough 'nough, and, so far, since I've seen
nothing available to the retail market, that matches their traction on the
type of stuff that I run, I'm stick'n with 'em ;) When I rip one, well,
that's what the Discount certificates are for :)
I think that much of the craze with the MT/R's is because they work (at
least here in the west on rocks), and work, probably better than anything
else available in the retail market, IMHO. I've been slow to climb onto the
MT/R bandwagon, just finally getting my first set a month or so ago. But to
say that I'm impressed with 'em, is a huge understatement :)
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...>
To: "'Jay Eller'" <jay@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: BFG Krawler update
> LOL I have not used anything in the AZ rocks but TSL/SXs for over 10 years
> and I have never cut a side wall on them. Until some one comes with a tire
> just as tuff I will stick with them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Eller [mailto:jay@t...]
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:07 AM
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: BFG Krawler update
>
>
> It's funny...........with all of the "craze" to go to MT/R's (which IS a
> good
> tire by the way), now 40" MT/R's, BFG Krawler's, etc.......... I feel so
out
> of date with my tried and true 38.5" TSL/SX's on 15's. Guess I will just
> have to go scrap those damned things. We all know they don't work anyway!
> ;-)
>
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
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70078 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:17am
Subject: Re: My point of veiw
What? Unix? Weren't they those neutered guys with loin cloths
that used to run around Egypt back in the good ol' days?
Lachlan "I still got mine" MacLean
In az_vjc@y..., Darren Richards <r50880@e...> wrote:
> I dunno, Joe. It seems that because you've lived more lives than
most,
> and you compose your emails from a Sun workstation running Unix,
that
> you feel your opinions carry more weight and you can call other
people's
> opinions rubbish. I hate to burst your bubble, but this is my
final
> life before I achieve perfection, AND I'm sitting in front of a Sun
> workstation running Solaris right now. :) While I probably could
have
> been a bit more eloquent than the original post, I feel that his
point
> was well made, and I can sum up my response to it in two words:
HELL YEAH.
>
> regards,
> darren
>
> Joe W wrote:
>
> > As with most things in life... some of this stuff is good and
some is
> > rubbish... here's a bit of the rubbish:
> >
> > The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
> > are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black
> > Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have
things like
> > the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White
Entertainment
> > Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse
Jackson will
> > be knocking down your door.
> >
> > Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't get around much if the only
thing that he
> > (we know a woman didn't write this don't we) can list as being
> > discriminatory are things related to blacks discriminating
against whites...
> > pleasssseeeeeeeee... what rubbish is this? Even a weak minded
KKK member
> > could do better. Very thinly veiled attempt at racism is all
this paragraph
> > is. Strike one.
> >
> > I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are
> > different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who get
arrested
> > are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that
is not
> > racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
> > Another focus on Blacks... Hmmmmm... this appears to be somewhat
of a trend.
> > The idiot clearly doesn't understand the term "normalization" .
Let me make
> > it easy for him... when 70% of the people incarcerated in the US
are African
> > American and only 23% of the population are African American...
one can be
> > lead to believe that there are "issues" which cause such a
disparity.
> > Regardless of what the issues are; they belong to all Americans
and WE need
> > to fix them.
> > The focus on African Americans yet again... Strike two.
> >
> > I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of
cigarettes, a
> > newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter
of fact,
> > if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak
English!. My
> > father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you can
leave the
> > countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
> > Really? I think if you want to be an American, you should be
tolerant of
> > the religious and ethnic origins of all peoples... and people
should have
> > the FREEDOM to speak whatever language they want, whenever they
want,
> > wherever they want. People should learn English as best they
can... and
> > speak whatever language they need to survive here. Speaking and
> > understanding English should be a goal; not a mandate from the
government or
> > society. More racial overtones... Strike three.
> >
> > I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that
go along
> > with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of
them was born
> > in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides,
Africa is a
> > continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American
because my
> > great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from
> > Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
> > Another focus on Blacks... <sigh> This person is a looser
racist, and
> > nothing more.
> > Even if I could find one thing to agree with him on... I can't
get past the
> > racist BS.
> > This person needs to live a few more lives to "get it". Weak
minded drivel
> > such as this is what propagates a weak minded society.
> > Perhaps the few people who openly agree with this crap need to
take a few
> > moments and reflect on the striking focus on foreigners and those
who are
> > "different".
> >
> >
> > And if you don't like my point of view, tough ****!
> > Another excellent comment from a clearly single celled organism.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
> >
70079 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:22am
Subject: RE: My point of veiw
An INDIVIDUAL has the RIGHT to be as biased and bigoted as he/she
chooses to be; businesses and the GOVERNMENT do not. People need to
understand this fundamental difference.
As an individual, I can choose who I want to be my friends; who I choose
to associate with is MY business and nobody else's. Nobody has the
right to force me to tolerate anyone else -- definitely not the
government. If I am an employer, I have certain limitations that are
established by law, but these laws do not and cannot apply to my
personal life.
I don't have to LIKE your lifestyle, or you or what you do. BUT I am
(and many other veterans are) willing to fight to the death to protect
your right to live the way that you want. But you still can't force me
to accept it and "be your friend."
I think once people stop getting confused between an individual's RIGHT
to be different and an individual's RIGHT to accept or not accept that
difference, this country will be a lot better off.
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
they
are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You live
in
America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any probably
the
right to irritate small minded people.
Mitch
70080 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:03am
Subject: Re: [FS] Warn Winch M8274 for sale
Hey Kim,
How old is that 8274? What condition is it in? Was it used a
lot, or only a few times? Thanks.
Lachlan MacLean
In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
>
70081 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:24am
Subject: [FS] Modified Pre Runner Bar, Window KC Mounts
Price: 25.00
Contact: landen17@hotmail.com
I have a modified Pre Runner bar that was on an XJ, then a YJ, black, good condition, 25.00. I also have a set of window hinge KC mounts for a YJ, black, also in good condition, are on an 87 yj.
Jason Thomas
70082 From: Robert McNeeley <fatbob309@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:33am
Subject: Re: My point of veiw
Mitch,
I think you missed the main point of that little section of the original
post. Or I could have missed it... I have done that before. But I
interpreted it as that just because I see it as wrong doesn't make afraid of
them, or make me hate them, or exclude them. So why would seeing it as wrong
make me a homophobe?
There are a few people in this group that don't what to hear anything that
has to do with church/religion of any type. They see any type or organized
religion as wrong and they voice that opinion. Am I correct in saying that
would be bigotry also? Are they religaphobe because they see organized
religion as wrong?
I don't argue that there are a lot of people that do fear gays and think
that if they work with them, or say hi to them, or are stuck in a group with
some one who is gay, they themselves will become gay. Don't even get me
started on the stupidity of that thought process. Not only is it stupid its
wrong. That would be like saying if you said hi to me you would become
fat... Yeah whatever....
Have a good day at work!
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
To: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>; <arizonajeep@c...>;
"'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> Robert,
>
> Homophobia is the fear of your own homosexuality, not liking homosexuals
> because you think their lifestyle is wrong...that's just bigotry. The
> statement singles out a particular group, like Joe W. pointed out about
the
> blacks. Gay people actually have it pretty bad compared to other groups
out
> there. While many people are racist against skin color and religion, most
> people out there are bigoted against homosexuals. The thing that bothers
me
> about this is that most of the homosexuals I've run across, in my short
time
> on this planet, are the nicest people around.
>
> I'm no liberal, but the original statement posted by bill can be torn
apart
> so easily. At first read I can start to identify with many of the things
in
> there, but then I get to the overtones of religion, bigotry, and I'm not
> going to spend any more time on this now, as I've got a dirty truck I want
> to wash before work :-)
>
> Bill,
>
> Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
they
> are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You live in
> America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
> constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any probably
the
> right to irritate small minded people.
>
> Mitch
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>
> To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>
>
> > Mitch,
> > So I'm a homophobe because I think its wrong??? Wow that's news to me!
> Thank
> > you so much for bringing that to my attention!!! I would be so lost
> thinking
> > that wasn't afraid of gay people even though I believe its wrong.
Please
> > educate me on how a comment like "I think that if you feel homosexuality
> is
> > wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion" is uneducated garble.
> >
> > Robert
> > "Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> > - Anonymous.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> > To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> > <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> >
> >
> > > Well said, Joe. I was thinking along similar lines about the
> > homosexuality
> > > part of it. More uneducated garble.
> > >
> > > Mitch
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
> > > To: "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:09 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> > >
> > >
> > > > As with most things in life... some of this stuff is good and some
is
> > > > rubbish... here's a bit of the rubbish:
> > > >
> > > > The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
> > > > are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black
> > > > Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things
> > like
> > > > the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White
Entertainment
> > > > Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse
Jackson
> > will
> > > > be knocking down your door.
> > > >
> > > > Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't get around much if the only thing
> > that
> > > he
> > > > (we know a woman didn't write this don't we) can list as being
> > > > discriminatory are things related to blacks discriminating against
> > > whites...
> > > > pleasssseeeeeeeee... what rubbish is this? Even a weak minded KKK
> > member
> > > > could do better. Very thinly veiled attempt at racism is all this
> > > paragraph
> > > > is. Strike one.
> > > >
> > > > I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are
> > > > different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who get
> > arrested
> > > > are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is
not
> > > > racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
> > > > Another focus on Blacks... Hmmmmm... this appears to be somewhat of
a
> > > trend.
> > > > The idiot clearly doesn't understand the term "normalization" . Let
> me
> > > make
> > > > it easy for him... when 70% of the people incarcerated in the US are
> > > African
> > > > American and only 23% of the population are African American... one
> can
> > be
> > > > lead to believe that there are "issues" which cause such a
disparity.
> > > > Regardless of what the issues are; they belong to all Americans and
WE
> > > need
> > > > to fix them.
> > > > The focus on African Americans yet again... Strike two.
> > > >
> > > > I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of
> > cigarettes,
> > > a
> > > > newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of
> > fact,
> > > > if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak
> English!.
> > > My
> > > > father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you can
leave
> > the
> > > > countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
> > > > Really? I think if you want to be an American, you should be
tolerant
> > of
> > > > the religious and ethnic origins of all peoples... and people should
> > have
> > > > the FREEDOM to speak whatever language they want, whenever they
want,
> > > > wherever they want. People should learn English as best they can...
> and
> > > > speak whatever language they need to survive here. Speaking and
> > > > understanding English should be a goal; not a mandate from the
> > government
> > > or
> > > > society. More racial overtones... Strike three.
> > > >
> > > > I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that go
> > along
> > > > with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them
> was
> > > born
> > > > in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa
is
> a
> > > > continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because
> my
> > > > great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from
> > > > Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
> > > > Another focus on Blacks... <sigh> This person is a looser racist,
and
> > > > nothing more.
> > > > Even if I could find one thing to agree with him on... I can't get
> past
> > > the
> > > > racist BS.
> > > > This person needs to live a few more lives to "get it". Weak minded
> > > drivel
> > > > such as this is what propagates a weak minded society.
> > > > Perhaps the few people who openly agree with this crap need to take
a
> > few
> > > > moments and reflect on the striking focus on foreigners and those
who
> > are
> > > > "different".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And if you don't like my point of view, tough ****!
> > > > Another excellent comment from a clearly single celled organism.
> > > >
> > > > Joe West
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > >
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> > >
> >
>
70083 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:25am
Subject: RE: Re: BFG Krawler update
I would of like to have seen what ripped the SX. As far as tires go there
are a few Swampers, MT/Rs, PJs,ETC that are all about the same as far as
traction goes from what I have seen. I have done all the tough trails and
have not seen another tire do anything that I could not with my 38.5 TSL
SXs. I also think that as long as you have a tire with a soft compound that
sticks to the rocks good the rest is driver skill.
-----Original Message-----
From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:10 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: BFG Krawler update
Interesting. In 4 years of hard wheeling out here I have seen, first hand,
every major type of tire go down in flames ;)
I've seen sidewalls rip in BFG MT's and AT's, TSL radials, TSL's, MT/R's,
SSR's and SX's and a whole handful of less know brands and models.
Yes, even the SX's, first hand, last one was on a run last year the end of
last year, or the beginning of this year, can't remember the date for sure.
Amazingly, to me, I've run BFG MT's, SSR's and now MT/R's, and have never
ripped a sidewall. Don't know why. I run the tougher stuff. People in front
of me have ripped sidewalls, people behind me have ripped sidewalls, people
next to me have ripped sidewalls. Go figure. Now, having said that, I'm
sure, tomorrow, when I go play on an easy trail, I'll rip all 4 sidewalls
LOL ;)
Anyway, to me, traction is a little more important than having a tire with a
6 foot think sidewall that weighs 150 lbs each ;)
Since the MT/R's have been tough 'nough, and, so far, since I've seen
nothing available to the retail market, that matches their traction on the
type of stuff that I run, I'm stick'n with 'em ;) When I rip one, well,
that's what the Discount certificates are for :)
I think that much of the craze with the MT/R's is because they work (at
least here in the west on rocks), and work, probably better than anything
else available in the retail market, IMHO. I've been slow to climb onto the
MT/R bandwagon, just finally getting my first set a month or so ago. But to
say that I'm impressed with 'em, is a huge understatement :)
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...>
To: "'Jay Eller'" <jay@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: BFG Krawler update
> LOL I have not used anything in the AZ rocks but TSL/SXs for over 10 years
> and I have never cut a side wall on them. Until some one comes with a tire
> just as tuff I will stick with them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Eller [mailto:jay@t...]
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:07 AM
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: BFG Krawler update
>
>
> It's funny...........with all of the "craze" to go to MT/R's (which IS a
> good
> tire by the way), now 40" MT/R's, BFG Krawler's, etc.......... I feel so
out
> of date with my tried and true 38.5" TSL/SX's on 15's. Guess I will just
> have to go scrap those damned things. We all know they don't work anyway!
> ;-)
>
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
>
>
>
>
>
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70084 From: Robert McNeeley <fatbob309@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:37am
Subject: Re: My point of veiw
That was very well said.
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Chatfield" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> An INDIVIDUAL has the RIGHT to be as biased and bigoted as he/she
> chooses to be; businesses and the GOVERNMENT do not. People need to
> understand this fundamental difference.
>
> As an individual, I can choose who I want to be my friends; who I choose
> to associate with is MY business and nobody else's. Nobody has the
> right to force me to tolerate anyone else -- definitely not the
> government. If I am an employer, I have certain limitations that are
> established by law, but these laws do not and cannot apply to my
> personal life.
>
> I don't have to LIKE your lifestyle, or you or what you do. BUT I am
> (and many other veterans are) willing to fight to the death to protect
> your right to live the way that you want. But you still can't force me
> to accept it and "be your friend."
>
> I think once people stop getting confused between an individual's RIGHT
> to be different and an individual's RIGHT to accept or not accept that
> difference, this country will be a lot better off.
>
> - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
>
> Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
> they
> are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You live
> in
> America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
> constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any probably
> the
> right to irritate small minded people.
>
> Mitch
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
70085 From: jaylalib <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:29am
Subject: Anyone from Greenway and Tatum area going to the Clean up Sat,
Not sure how to get there, was wondering if anyone was going from
North Scottsdale...
Jason
70086 From: Trujillo, Jeff <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:39am
Subject: RE: My point of veiw
I too am a Veteran and you couldn't of said it any better. To all those
Veteran's out there - Happy Veteran's Day!!!!!!!!!!
SGT Jeffrey A. Trujillo
US Army
9 years of Selfless Service Protecting your rights to do what you want, say
what you want and be with whom you want! I may not like it, but, I chose to
do my job.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:fatbob309@e...]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:38 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Mike Chatfield
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
That was very well said.
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Chatfield" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> An INDIVIDUAL has the RIGHT to be as biased and bigoted as he/she
> chooses to be; businesses and the GOVERNMENT do not. People need to
> understand this fundamental difference.
>
> As an individual, I can choose who I want to be my friends; who I choose
> to associate with is MY business and nobody else's. Nobody has the
> right to force me to tolerate anyone else -- definitely not the
> government. If I am an employer, I have certain limitations that are
> established by law, but these laws do not and cannot apply to my
> personal life.
>
> I don't have to LIKE your lifestyle, or you or what you do. BUT I am
> (and many other veterans are) willing to fight to the death to protect
> your right to live the way that you want. But you still can't force me
> to accept it and "be your friend."
>
> I think once people stop getting confused between an individual's RIGHT
> to be different and an individual's RIGHT to accept or not accept that
> difference, this country will be a lot better off.
>
> - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
>
> Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
> they
> are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You live
> in
> America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
> constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any probably
> the
> right to irritate small minded people.
>
> Mitch
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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70087 From: Darren Richards <r50880@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:53am
Subject: Re: My point of veiw
Robert,
I'm on a diet and have been going to the gym 6 days a week. (That was
my New Year's resolution, and I've stuck to it for over 10 months now!!)
So if I see you at the coves cleanup, could you please not say hi to me?
<grin> I don't want to ruin 10 months of hard work. Call me an
obesophobe if you like, I don't care... :)
-darren
Robert McNeeley wrote:
> Mitch,
> I think you missed the main point of that little section of the original
> post. Or I could have missed it... I have done that before. But I
> interpreted it as that just because I see it as wrong doesn't make afraid of
> them, or make me hate them, or exclude them. So why would seeing it as wrong
> make me a homophobe?
>
> There are a few people in this group that don't what to hear anything that
> has to do with church/religion of any type. They see any type or organized
> religion as wrong and they voice that opinion. Am I correct in saying that
> would be bigotry also? Are they religaphobe because they see organized
> religion as wrong?
>
> I don't argue that there are a lot of people that do fear gays and think
> that if they work with them, or say hi to them, or are stuck in a group with
> some one who is gay, they themselves will become gay. Don't even get me
> started on the stupidity of that thought process. Not only is it stupid its
> wrong. That would be like saying if you said hi to me you would become
> fat... Yeah whatever....
> Have a good day at work!
>
> Robert
> "Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> - Anonymous.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> To: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>; <arizonajeep@c...>;
> "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>
>
>
>>Robert,
>>
>>Homophobia is the fear of your own homosexuality, not liking homosexuals
>>because you think their lifestyle is wrong...that's just bigotry. The
>>statement singles out a particular group, like Joe W. pointed out about
>>
> the
>
>>blacks. Gay people actually have it pretty bad compared to other groups
>>
> out
>
>>there. While many people are racist against skin color and religion, most
>>people out there are bigoted against homosexuals. The thing that bothers
>>
> me
>
>>about this is that most of the homosexuals I've run across, in my short
>>
> time
>
>>on this planet, are the nicest people around.
>>
>>I'm no liberal, but the original statement posted by bill can be torn
>>
> apart
>
>>so easily. At first read I can start to identify with many of the things
>>
> in
>
>>there, but then I get to the overtones of religion, bigotry, and I'm not
>>going to spend any more time on this now, as I've got a dirty truck I want
>>to wash before work :-)
>>
>>Bill,
>>
>>Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
>>
> they
>
>>are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You live in
>>America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
>>constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any probably
>>
> the
>
>>right to irritate small minded people.
>>
>>Mitch
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>
>>To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
>><az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
>>Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:45 AM
>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>>
>>
>>
>>>Mitch,
>>>So I'm a homophobe because I think its wrong??? Wow that's news to me!
>>>
>>Thank
>>
>>>you so much for bringing that to my attention!!! I would be so lost
>>>
>>thinking
>>
>>>that wasn't afraid of gay people even though I believe its wrong.
>>>
> Please
>
>>>educate me on how a comment like "I think that if you feel homosexuality
>>>
>>is
>>
>>>wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion" is uneducated garble.
>>>
>>>Robert
>>>"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
>>>- Anonymous.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
>>>To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
>>><az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:58 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well said, Joe. I was thinking along similar lines about the
>>>>
>>>homosexuality
>>>
>>>>part of it. More uneducated garble.
>>>>
>>>>Mitch
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
>>>>To: "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
>>>>
> <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:09 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>As with most things in life... some of this stuff is good and some
>>>>>
> is
>
>>>>>rubbish... here's a bit of the rubbish:
>>>>>
>>>>>The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
>>>>>are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black
>>>>>Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things
>>>>>
>>>like
>>>
>>>>>the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White
>>>>>
> Entertainment
>
>>>>>Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse
>>>>>
> Jackson
>
>>>will
>>>
>>>>>be knocking down your door.
>>>>>
>>>>>Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't get around much if the only thing
>>>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>>he
>>>>
>>>>>(we know a woman didn't write this don't we) can list as being
>>>>>discriminatory are things related to blacks discriminating against
>>>>>
>>>>whites...
>>>>
>>>>>pleasssseeeeeeeee... what rubbish is this? Even a weak minded KKK
>>>>>
>>>member
>>>
>>>>>could do better. Very thinly veiled attempt at racism is all this
>>>>>
>>>>paragraph
>>>>
>>>>>is. Strike one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are
>>>>>different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who get
>>>>>
>>>arrested
>>>
>>>>>are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is
>>>>>
> not
>
>>>>>racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
>>>>>Another focus on Blacks... Hmmmmm... this appears to be somewhat of
>>>>>
> a
>
>>>>trend.
>>>>
>>>>>The idiot clearly doesn't understand the term "normalization" . Let
>>>>>
>>me
>>
>>>>make
>>>>
>>>>>it easy for him... when 70% of the people incarcerated in the US are
>>>>>
>>>>African
>>>>
>>>>>American and only 23% of the population are African American... one
>>>>>
>>can
>>
>>>be
>>>
>>>>>lead to believe that there are "issues" which cause such a
>>>>>
> disparity.
>
>>>>>Regardless of what the issues are; they belong to all Americans and
>>>>>
> WE
>
>>>>need
>>>>
>>>>>to fix them.
>>>>>The focus on African Americans yet again... Strike two.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of
>>>>>
>>>cigarettes,
>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of
>>>>>
>>>fact,
>>>
>>>>>if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak
>>>>>
>>English!.
>>
>>>>My
>>>>
>>>>>father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you can
>>>>>
> leave
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
>>>>>Really? I think if you want to be an American, you should be
>>>>>
> tolerant
>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>>the religious and ethnic origins of all peoples... and people should
>>>>>
>>>have
>>>
>>>>>the FREEDOM to speak whatever language they want, whenever they
>>>>>
> want,
>
>>>>>wherever they want. People should learn English as best they can...
>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>speak whatever language they need to survive here. Speaking and
>>>>>understanding English should be a goal; not a mandate from the
>>>>>
>>>government
>>>
>>>>or
>>>>
>>>>>society. More racial overtones... Strike three.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that go
>>>>>
>>>along
>>>
>>>>>with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them
>>>>>
>>was
>>
>>>>born
>>>>
>>>>>in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa
>>>>>
> is
>
>>a
>>
>>>>>continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because
>>>>>
>>my
>>
>>>>>great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from
>>>>> Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
>>>>>Another focus on Blacks... <sigh> This person is a looser racist,
>>>>>
> and
>
>>>>>nothing more.
>>>>>Even if I could find one thing to agree with him on... I can't get
>>>>>
>>past
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>racist BS.
>>>>>This person needs to live a few more lives to "get it". Weak minded
>>>>>
>>>>drivel
>>>>
>>>>>such as this is what propagates a weak minded society.
>>>>>Perhaps the few people who openly agree with this crap need to take
>>>>>
> a
>
>>>few
>>>
>>>>>moments and reflect on the striking focus on foreigners and those
>>>>>
> who
>
>>>are
>>>
>>>>>"different".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you don't like my point of view, tough ****!
>>>>>Another excellent comment from a clearly single celled organism.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joe West
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>>>
>>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>>
>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
70088 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:54am
Subject: Re: Anyone from Greenway and Tatum area going to the Clean up Sat,
Easiest way from N Scottsdale is to take Shea to the end. Hang a
left, then look for the Lake turn off on the right. It is a few
miles down, and well signed. After you take the right, follow it
down till you see Butcher Jones. Go to the back of the parking lot,
and you will see the green gates open.
HTH,
Mike Baney
-- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib1@c...> wrote:
> Not sure how to get there, was wondering if anyone was going from
> North Scottsdale...
>
> Jason
70089 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 10:05am
Subject: Re: [FS] Scout Axles
What side are the diffs on? Center, right left? Front axle and on
the rear? Would these be a good swap into a TJ?
Chris
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70090 From: Joe-CJ7 <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 10:09am
Subject: RE: My point of view
I also am a Veteran! Well Air Force if you want to call that and armed
service. <grin>
I am also a disabled Vet, (not war related)
8 Years
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...
-----Original Message-----
From: Trujillo, Jeff [mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:40 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
I too am a Veteran and you couldn't of said it any better. To all those
Veteran's out there - Happy Veteran's Day!!!!!!!!!!
SGT Jeffrey A. Trujillo
US Army
9 years of Selfless Service Protecting your rights to do what you want,
say
what you want and be with whom you want! I may not like it, but, I chose
to
do my job.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:fatbob309@e...]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:38 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Mike Chatfield
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
That was very well said.
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Chatfield" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> An INDIVIDUAL has the RIGHT to be as biased and bigoted as he/she
> chooses to be; businesses and the GOVERNMENT do not. People need to
> understand this fundamental difference.
>
> As an individual, I can choose who I want to be my friends; who I
choose
> to associate with is MY business and nobody else's. Nobody has the
> right to force me to tolerate anyone else -- definitely not the
> government. If I am an employer, I have certain limitations that are
> established by law, but these laws do not and cannot apply to my
> personal life.
>
> I don't have to LIKE your lifestyle, or you or what you do. BUT I am
> (and many other veterans are) willing to fight to the death to protect
> your right to live the way that you want. But you still can't force
me
> to accept it and "be your friend."
>
> I think once people stop getting confused between an individual's
RIGHT
> to be different and an individual's RIGHT to accept or not accept that
> difference, this country will be a lot better off.
>
> - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitch Woodward [mailto:mitchwoodward@h...]
>
> Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others
because
> they
> are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You
live
> in
> America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
> constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any
probably
> the
> right to irritate small minded people.
>
> Mitch
>
>
>
>
>
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70091 From: Robert McNeeley <fatbob309@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 10:21am
Subject: Re: My point of veiw
That is the funniest thing I have seen all day. Look out for the Jeep with
FAT BOB on the plate!
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Richards" <darren.richards@m...>
To: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>
Cc: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> Robert,
>
> I'm on a diet and have been going to the gym 6 days a week. (That was
> my New Year's resolution, and I've stuck to it for over 10 months now!!)
> So if I see you at the coves cleanup, could you please not say hi to me?
> <grin> I don't want to ruin 10 months of hard work. Call me an
> obesophobe if you like, I don't care... :)
>
> -darren
>
> Robert McNeeley wrote:
>
> > Mitch,
> > I think you missed the main point of that little section of the original
> > post. Or I could have missed it... I have done that before. But I
> > interpreted it as that just because I see it as wrong doesn't make
afraid of
> > them, or make me hate them, or exclude them. So why would seeing it as
wrong
> > make me a homophobe?
> >
> > There are a few people in this group that don't what to hear anything
that
> > has to do with church/religion of any type. They see any type or
organized
> > religion as wrong and they voice that opinion. Am I correct in saying
that
> > would be bigotry also? Are they religaphobe because they see organized
> > religion as wrong?
> >
> > I don't argue that there are a lot of people that do fear gays and think
> > that if they work with them, or say hi to them, or are stuck in a group
with
> > some one who is gay, they themselves will become gay. Don't even get me
> > started on the stupidity of that thought process. Not only is it stupid
its
> > wrong. That would be like saying if you said hi to me you would become
> > fat... Yeah whatever....
> > Have a good day at work!
> >
> > Robert
> > "Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> > - Anonymous.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> > To: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>;
<arizonajeep@c...>;
> > "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> >
> >
> >
> >>Robert,
> >>
> >>Homophobia is the fear of your own homosexuality, not liking homosexuals
> >>because you think their lifestyle is wrong...that's just bigotry. The
> >>statement singles out a particular group, like Joe W. pointed out about
> >>
> > the
> >
> >>blacks. Gay people actually have it pretty bad compared to other groups
> >>
> > out
> >
> >>there. While many people are racist against skin color and religion,
most
> >>people out there are bigoted against homosexuals. The thing that
bothers
> >>
> > me
> >
> >>about this is that most of the homosexuals I've run across, in my short
> >>
> > time
> >
> >>on this planet, are the nicest people around.
> >>
> >>I'm no liberal, but the original statement posted by bill can be torn
> >>
> > apart
> >
> >>so easily. At first read I can start to identify with many of the
things
> >>
> > in
> >
> >>there, but then I get to the overtones of religion, bigotry, and I'm not
> >>going to spend any more time on this now, as I've got a dirty truck I
want
> >>to wash before work :-)
> >>
> >>Bill,
> >>
> >>Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
> >>
> > they
> >
> >>are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed. You live
in
> >>America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all. Our
> >>constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any probably
> >>
> > the
> >
> >>right to irritate small minded people.
> >>
> >>Mitch
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>
> >>To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> >><az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> >>Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:45 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Mitch,
> >>>So I'm a homophobe because I think its wrong??? Wow that's news to me!
> >>>
> >>Thank
> >>
> >>>you so much for bringing that to my attention!!! I would be so lost
> >>>
> >>thinking
> >>
> >>>that wasn't afraid of gay people even though I believe its wrong.
> >>>
> > Please
> >
> >>>educate me on how a comment like "I think that if you feel
homosexuality
> >>>
> >>is
> >>
> >>>wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion" is uneducated garble.
> >>>
> >>>Robert
> >>>"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> >>>- Anonymous.
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> >>>To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> >>><az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:58 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Well said, Joe. I was thinking along similar lines about the
> >>>>
> >>>homosexuality
> >>>
> >>>>part of it. More uneducated garble.
> >>>>
> >>>>Mitch
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
> >>>>To: "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> >>>>
> > <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >
> >>>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:09 PM
> >>>>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>As with most things in life... some of this stuff is good and some
> >>>>>
> > is
> >
> >>>>>rubbish... here's a bit of the rubbish:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
> >>>>>are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black
> >>>>>Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things
> >>>>>
> >>>like
> >>>
> >>>>>the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White
> >>>>>
> > Entertainment
> >
> >>>>>Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse
> >>>>>
> > Jackson
> >
> >>>will
> >>>
> >>>>>be knocking down your door.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't get around much if the only thing
> >>>>>
> >>>that
> >>>
> >>>>he
> >>>>
> >>>>>(we know a woman didn't write this don't we) can list as being
> >>>>>discriminatory are things related to blacks discriminating against
> >>>>>
> >>>>whites...
> >>>>
> >>>>>pleasssseeeeeeeee... what rubbish is this? Even a weak minded KKK
> >>>>>
> >>>member
> >>>
> >>>>>could do better. Very thinly veiled attempt at racism is all this
> >>>>>
> >>>>paragraph
> >>>>
> >>>>>is. Strike one.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are
> >>>>>different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who get
> >>>>>
> >>>arrested
> >>>
> >>>>>are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is
> >>>>>
> > not
> >
> >>>>>racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
> >>>>>Another focus on Blacks... Hmmmmm... this appears to be somewhat of
> >>>>>
> > a
> >
> >>>>trend.
> >>>>
> >>>>>The idiot clearly doesn't understand the term "normalization" . Let
> >>>>>
> >>me
> >>
> >>>>make
> >>>>
> >>>>>it easy for him... when 70% of the people incarcerated in the US are
> >>>>>
> >>>>African
> >>>>
> >>>>>American and only 23% of the population are African American... one
> >>>>>
> >>can
> >>
> >>>be
> >>>
> >>>>>lead to believe that there are "issues" which cause such a
> >>>>>
> > disparity.
> >
> >>>>>Regardless of what the issues are; they belong to all Americans and
> >>>>>
> > WE
> >
> >>>>need
> >>>>
> >>>>>to fix them.
> >>>>>The focus on African Americans yet again... Strike two.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of
> >>>>>
> >>>cigarettes,
> >>>
> >>>>a
> >>>>
> >>>>>newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of
> >>>>>
> >>>fact,
> >>>
> >>>>>if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak
> >>>>>
> >>English!.
> >>
> >>>>My
> >>>>
> >>>>>father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you can
> >>>>>
> > leave
> >
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>>countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
> >>>>>Really? I think if you want to be an American, you should be
> >>>>>
> > tolerant
> >
> >>>of
> >>>
> >>>>>the religious and ethnic origins of all peoples... and people should
> >>>>>
> >>>have
> >>>
> >>>>>the FREEDOM to speak whatever language they want, whenever they
> >>>>>
> > want,
> >
> >>>>>wherever they want. People should learn English as best they can...
> >>>>>
> >>and
> >>
> >>>>>speak whatever language they need to survive here. Speaking and
> >>>>>understanding English should be a goal; not a mandate from the
> >>>>>
> >>>government
> >>>
> >>>>or
> >>>>
> >>>>>society. More racial overtones... Strike three.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that go
> >>>>>
> >>>along
> >>>
> >>>>>with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them
> >>>>>
> >>was
> >>
> >>>>born
> >>>>
> >>>>>in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa
> >>>>>
> > is
> >
> >>a
> >>
> >>>>>continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because
> >>>>>
> >>my
> >>
> >>>>>great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from
> >>>>> Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
> >>>>>Another focus on Blacks... <sigh> This person is a looser racist,
> >>>>>
> > and
> >
> >>>>>nothing more.
> >>>>>Even if I could find one thing to agree with him on... I can't get
> >>>>>
> >>past
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>>racist BS.
> >>>>>This person needs to live a few more lives to "get it". Weak minded
> >>>>>
> >>>>drivel
> >>>>
> >>>>>such as this is what propagates a weak minded society.
> >>>>>Perhaps the few people who openly agree with this crap need to take
> >>>>>
> > a
> >
> >>>few
> >>>
> >>>>>moments and reflect on the striking focus on foreigners and those
> >>>>>
> > who
> >
> >>>are
> >>>
> >>>>>"different".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And if you don't like my point of view, tough ****!
> >>>>>Another excellent comment from a clearly single celled organism.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Joe West
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> >>>>>
> >>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> >>>>
> >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
70092 From: azredrocker <gotrox@c...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:03am
Subject: Re: My point of veiw
MOMMY MOMMY MAKE THE BAD PEOPLE GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hehehe are we having fun yet?
Neal
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...> wrote:
> That is the funniest thing I have seen all day. Look out for the
Jeep with
> FAT BOB on the plate!
> Robert
> "Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> - Anonymous.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darren Richards" <darren.richards@m...>
> To: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>
> Cc: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
>
>
> > Robert,
> >
> > I'm on a diet and have been going to the gym 6 days a week.
(That was
> > my New Year's resolution, and I've stuck to it for over 10 months
now!!)
> > So if I see you at the coves cleanup, could you please not say hi
to me?
> > <grin> I don't want to ruin 10 months of hard work. Call me an
> > obesophobe if you like, I don't care... :)
> >
> > -darren
> >
> > Robert McNeeley wrote:
> >
> > > Mitch,
> > > I think you missed the main point of that little section of the
original
> > > post. Or I could have missed it... I have done that before. But
I
> > > interpreted it as that just because I see it as wrong doesn't
make
> afraid of
> > > them, or make me hate them, or exclude them. So why would
seeing it as
> wrong
> > > make me a homophobe?
> > >
> > > There are a few people in this group that don't what to hear
anything
> that
> > > has to do with church/religion of any type. They see any type or
> organized
> > > religion as wrong and they voice that opinion. Am I correct in
saying
> that
> > > would be bigotry also? Are they religaphobe because they see
organized
> > > religion as wrong?
> > >
> > > I don't argue that there are a lot of people that do fear gays
and think
> > > that if they work with them, or say hi to them, or are stuck in
a group
> with
> > > some one who is gay, they themselves will become gay. Don't
even get me
> > > started on the stupidity of that thought process. Not only is
it stupid
> its
> > > wrong. That would be like saying if you said hi to me you would
become
> > > fat... Yeah whatever....
> > > Have a good day at work!
> > >
> > > Robert
> > > "Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> > > - Anonymous.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> > > To: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>;
> <arizonajeep@c...>;
> > > "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'" <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:18 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Robert,
> > >>
> > >>Homophobia is the fear of your own homosexuality, not liking
homosexuals
> > >>because you think their lifestyle is wrong...that's just
bigotry. The
> > >>statement singles out a particular group, like Joe W. pointed
out about
> > >>
> > > the
> > >
> > >>blacks. Gay people actually have it pretty bad compared to
other groups
> > >>
> > > out
> > >
> > >>there. While many people are racist against skin color and
religion,
> most
> > >>people out there are bigoted against homosexuals. The thing
that
> bothers
> > >>
> > > me
> > >
> > >>about this is that most of the homosexuals I've run across, in
my short
> > >>
> > > time
> > >
> > >>on this planet, are the nicest people around.
> > >>
> > >>I'm no liberal, but the original statement posted by bill can
be torn
> > >>
> > > apart
> > >
> > >>so easily. At first read I can start to identify with many of
the
> things
> > >>
> > > in
> > >
> > >>there, but then I get to the overtones of religion, bigotry,
and I'm not
> > >>going to spend any more time on this now, as I've got a dirty
truck I
> want
> > >>to wash before work :-)
> > >>
> > >>Bill,
> > >>
> > >>Your statement "I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others
because
> > >>
> > > they
> > >
> > >>are different, weird, or tick me off." needs to be addressed.
You live
> in
> > >>America, land of the free, with liberty and justice for all.
Our
> > >>constitution gives people the right to be different, weird, any
probably
> > >>
> > > the
> > >
> > >>right to irritate small minded people.
> > >>
> > >>Mitch
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...>
> > >>To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> > >><az_vjc@y...>; "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> > >>Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:45 AM
> > >>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Mitch,
> > >>>So I'm a homophobe because I think its wrong??? Wow that's
news to me!
> > >>>
> > >>Thank
> > >>
> > >>>you so much for bringing that to my attention!!! I would be so
lost
> > >>>
> > >>thinking
> > >>
> > >>>that wasn't afraid of gay people even though I believe its
wrong.
> > >>>
> > > Please
> > >
> > >>>educate me on how a comment like "I think that if you feel
> homosexuality
> > >>>
> > >>is
> > >>
> > >>>wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion" is uneducated
garble.
> > >>>
> > >>>Robert
> > >>>"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
> > >>>- Anonymous.
> > >>>
> > >>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> > >>>To: <arizonajeep@c...>; "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> > >>><az_vjc@y...>
> > >>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:58 PM
> > >>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Well said, Joe. I was thinking along similar lines about the
> > >>>>
> > >>>homosexuality
> > >>>
> > >>>>part of it. More uneducated garble.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Mitch
> > >>>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
> > >>>>To: "'Bill Mish'" <yldkat55@h...>; "'1'"
> > >>>>
> > > <az_vjc@y...>
> > >
> > >>>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:09 PM
> > >>>>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My point of veiw
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>As with most things in life... some of this stuff is good
and some
> > >>>>>
> > > is
> > >
> > >>>>>rubbish... here's a bit of the rubbish:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory
> > >>>>>are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine,
Black
> > >>>>>Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to
have things
> > >>>>>
> > >>>like
> > >>>
> > >>>>>the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White
> > >>>>>
> > > Entertainment
> > >
> > >>>>>Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse
> > >>>>>
> > > Jackson
> > >
> > >>>will
> > >>>
> > >>>>>be knocking down your door.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't get around much if the
only thing
> > >>>>>
> > >>>that
> > >>>
> > >>>>he
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>(we know a woman didn't write this don't we) can list as
being
> > >>>>>discriminatory are things related to blacks discriminating
against
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>whites...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>pleasssseeeeeeeee... what rubbish is this? Even a weak
minded KKK
> > >>>>>
> > >>>member
> > >>>
> > >>>>>could do better. Very thinly veiled attempt at racism is
all this
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>paragraph
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>is. Strike one.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because
they are
> > >>>>>different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who
get
> > >>>>>
> > >>>arrested
> > >>>
> > >>>>>are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black,
that is
> > >>>>>
> > > not
> > >
> > >>>>>racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
> > >>>>>Another focus on Blacks... Hmmmmm... this appears to be
somewhat of
> > >>>>>
> > > a
> > >
> > >>>>trend.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>The idiot clearly doesn't understand the
term "normalization" . Let
> > >>>>>
> > >>me
> > >>
> > >>>>make
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>it easy for him... when 70% of the people incarcerated in
the US are
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>African
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>American and only 23% of the population are African
American... one
> > >>>>>
> > >>can
> > >>
> > >>>be
> > >>>
> > >>>>>lead to believe that there are "issues" which cause such a
> > >>>>>
> > > disparity.
> > >
> > >>>>>Regardless of what the issues are; they belong to all
Americans and
> > >>>>>
> > > WE
> > >
> > >>>>need
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>to fix them.
> > >>>>>The focus on African Americans yet again... Strike two.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of
> > >>>>>
> > >>>cigarettes,
> > >>>
> > >>>>a
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a
matter of
> > >>>>>
> > >>>fact,
> > >>>
> > >>>>>if you want to be an American citizen you should have to
speak
> > >>>>>
> > >>English!.
> > >>
> > >>>>My
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>father and grandfather shouldn't have to die in vain so you
can
> > >>>>>
> > > leave
> > >
> > >>>the
> > >>>
> > >>>>>countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
> > >>>>>Really? I think if you want to be an American, you should be
> > >>>>>
> > > tolerant
> > >
> > >>>of
> > >>>
> > >>>>>the religious and ethnic origins of all peoples... and
people should
> > >>>>>
> > >>>have
> > >>>
> > >>>>>the FREEDOM to speak whatever language they want, whenever
they
> > >>>>>
> > > want,
> > >
> > >>>>>wherever they want. People should learn English as best
they can...
> > >>>>>
> > >>and
> > >>
> > >>>>>speak whatever language they need to survive here. Speaking
and
> > >>>>>understanding English should be a goal; not a mandate from
the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>government
> > >>>
> > >>>>or
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>society. More racial overtones... Strike three.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups
that go
> > >>>>>
> > >>>along
> > >>>
> > >>>>>with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one
of them
> > >>>>>
> > >>was
> > >>
> > >>>>born
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides,
Africa
> > >>>>>
> > > is
> > >
> > >>a
> > >>
> > >>>>>continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American
because
> > >>>>>
> > >>my
> > >>
> > >>>>>great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from
> > >>>>> Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
> > >>>>>Another focus on Blacks... <sigh> This person is a looser
racist,
> > >>>>>
> > > and
> > >
> > >>>>>nothing more.
> > >>>>>Even if I could find one thing to agree with him on... I
can't get
> > >>>>>
> > >>past
> > >>
> > >>>>the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>racist BS.
> > >>>>>This person needs to live a few more lives to "get it".
Weak minded
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>drivel
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>such as this is what propagates a weak minded society.
> > >>>>>Perhaps the few people who openly agree with this crap need
to take
> > >>>>>
> > > a
> > >
> > >>>few
> > >>>
> > >>>>>moments and reflect on the striking focus on foreigners and
those
> > >>>>>
> > > who
> > >
> > >>>are
> > >>>
> > >>>>>"different".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> And if you don't like my point of view, tough ****!
> > >>>>>Another excellent comment from a clearly single celled
organism.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Joe West
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > >>>>
> > >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
70093 From: Matt aka Machew <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:18am
Subject: SEDONA This weekend
I'm going to be in Sedona this weekend, does anyone know of any events
that are happening this weekend?
The girlfriend likes the arts, "zZzZzZzZz" The boy and I would like to
check out some trails.... after the walking nap. Any suggestions on
both would be appreciated.
70094 From: <rioshilo@a...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 6:22am
Subject: Re: My point of view
Well Joe... I guess you can add me to that list of people that you feel compelled to be embarrassed for. It must be a big list, because I know I'm not alone out here.
Rio... Standing up and shouting Hell Yeah!!
In a message dated 11/08/2002 8:16:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, joe.west@synopsys.com writes:
And for those of you who agree with such things; I am truly embarrassed for
you.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
70095 From: Joe-CJ7 <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:35am
Subject: RE: SEDONA This weekend
I know of a couple of great events.
One id the coves clean up and then you can go right up the street and
see the Fountain Hills Arts and Crafts.
But you should not miss the Coves Clean up.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt aka Machew [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:19 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] SEDONA This weekend
I'm going to be in Sedona this weekend, does anyone know of any events
that are happening this weekend?
The girlfriend likes the arts, "zZzZzZzZz" The boy and I would like to
check out some trails.... after the walking nap. Any suggestions on
both would be appreciated.
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70096 From: Mike Golden <mgolden@c...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:49am
Subject: Re: Does 4 wheelers EVER answer their phone?
Hell, if I would've know you were there, I would have just asked for
you! :-)
Actually it worked out great... Because I couldn't find out if they had
one in stock, I still hadn't bought the lock right when Ryan posted one
last night for 1/3 the price of new! If they would have answered their
phone, I probably would have already gotten it. Thanks guys!
I know everybody has been bagging on Desert Rat, but I've never had any
problems there. I've been to the one on Rural and I-60 several times
and have always been helped right away. It may help that every time I
go in there I already know exactly what I want, but the guys I've talked
to have always seemed friendly and knowledgeable. I know they're not
the "officially sanctioned azvjc parts store", but like I care. :-)
Now Lopers on the other hand... It'll be a cold day in hell before I
ever step foot inside that place again.
Mike
Bill - Jeeps Only wrote:
>
> Ha! I was in the store about the time you wrote this and it was crazy. Are
> you the freaking caller that interrupted my time with the guy at the counter
> since he had to answer the phone :-)? Actually the phones were ringing off
> the hook and the guys behind the counter were running around going nuts. I
> guess everyone's getting ready for some 4 wheeling for the holiday weekend.
>
> ---------------
> Bill Hooven
> Jeeps Only
> http://www.jeepsonly.com
> A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Golden" <mgolden@c...>
> To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:17 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Does 4 wheelers EVER answer their phone?
>
> > Just got done waiting 15 minutes on hold with 4 wheelers supply. They
> > did the whole "Can you hold please?" and then put me on eternal hold. I
> > called back and they did the same thing!
> >
> > Are they really that busy on a Thursday afternoon?!?! I just wanted a
> > price on a Lock Right from them, but I guess I'll just go to Desert
> > Rodent since they answer their phone and have the price listed on their
> > web site!
> >
> > Mike
> > --
> > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth? Judging from realistic
> > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
> > we can assume it will be pretty bad. --- Dave Barry
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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>
>
>
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70097 From: Smitty <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:55am
Subject: Jeepavan to Coves from Westside?
anyone want to Jeepavan to the coves in the morning.
If so how about meeting at I-17 and the 101 in the Target Parking lot at 7am?
Smitty
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70098 From: rob holmes <rob_c_holmes@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 0:21pm
Subject: Re: Re: [FS] Scout Axles
Scout rear axles are always centered and 5 on 5.5 if
it's a half ton truck. They are usally 58 or 60 inches
wide which is just right for a TJ.
The front is a different matter. Scouts use a positive
[forward] caster, which is the opposite of most
vehicles including Jeep. This means having a shop [or
a well equipped individual, grind and rotate the
knuckle yokes to the proper degree of caster [in
relation to a level pinion angle].
Also, I don't know how many, if any, were Driver's
side differential.
rob holmes
--- Chris <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> What side are the diffs on? Center, right left?
> Front axle and on
> the rear? Would these be a good swap into a TJ?
> Chris
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70099 From: astro0130 <oops__@h...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 0:22pm
Subject: need your opinion
Ok its opinion time. First off, I am looking at buying a new Jeep.
Most likely a Rubicon. So where is the best dealership to go to and
get treated fairly? If one such thing exsist. I live in the east
valley, but will make the trip anywhere if I need to. (I will NOT
got to earnhardts though) Second question, is the Rubicon really
worth it compared to buying a sport and upgrading it? I think so but
I am not as up on all the mechanical stuff as some of you out there.
thanks
Chris George
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