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69900 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 8:52pm
Subject: Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Scott,
The time spent on write ups is amazing. At ten hours that is almost
longer than installing the tranny, isn't it? :D Thanks for the
effort, ahead of time. I haven't read it yet, I will probably get
some time to do so this weekend.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
>
> I can't believe how long this writeup took. I probably have 10 hours
> into it. I couldn't decide what to leave out so I went ahead put it
all
> in :D I think it was worth the effort.
>
> Feedback is appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott K
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69901 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 9:01pm
Subject: [FS] Cherokee Header
Price: 175.00
Contact: akamoefo@hotmail.com
Brand new in the Box, Borla Header - fits 91-97 Cherokee &; Commanche with 4.0 six. Go for approx. 400.00 new
Moe
69902 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 9:00pm
Subject: RE: Off-road accident & body work cost
Then my sincerest apologies to you Joe.
But didn't you say "bite the bullet ... let the guy with the damaged Jeep get it fixed where he wants ... and this has nothing to do with the cost; she should pay whatever it costs."?
I think Anthony was paraphrasing someone. Was it not you?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:16 PM
To: joey@joekul.com; chaton602@aol.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
You would be incorrect. Those words are not mine.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:56 PM
To: chaton602@aol.com; 'Joe West'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
yes you are correct. I believe it was Joe West I should have copied or directed it to.
So Joe here you go a cut and paste of what I posted earlier.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just my opinion but it is thinking like this "then let that be a lesson and get the damage fixed regardless of the cost, even if the cost is BS" that drives insurance costs up. Have a cracked windshield? Let your insurance company pay for a new one and a month of dinners at your favorite restaurant instead of passing a discount to the insurance company.
Just My Opinion.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602@aol.com [mailto:chaton602@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:14 PM
To: joey@desertjeep.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
We'll I was just quoting what was said by another member (just not word for word).
Anthony
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69903 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 8:55pm
Subject: RE: Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Scott,
If you print it out there is no purple.
At 66 pages its perfect for the bathroom reading rack.
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:53 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Scott,
The time spent on write ups is amazing. At ten hours that is almost
longer than installing the tranny, isn't it? :D Thanks for the
effort, ahead of time. I haven't read it yet, I will probably get
some time to do so this weekend.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
>
> I can't believe how long this writeup took. I probably have 10 hours
> into it. I couldn't decide what to leave out so I went ahead put it
all
> in :D I think it was worth the effort.
>
> Feedback is appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott K
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69904 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:48pm
Subject: RE: Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
I checked and if you do a print preview it comes out nicely. I also
discovered that if you were to print the entire article out it would be
66 pages long. That makes it one of, if not the biggest writeups on any
1 Jeep subject that I've ever read.
If I worked on this for 10 hours that's 6.6 pages per hour. Not too bad.
I think this definitely pushes my time for the entire swap way over 60
hours (not including however many hours Stu helped me). That includes
well over a dozen hours pouring through XJ and TJ wiring diagrams. This
is the type of behind the scenes work that you don't actually see in the
writeup, but obviously it's in there.
On my monitor and the 3 other monitors I tested it on, it wasn't too bad
on the eyes. If you guys think it's an issue I can tone the colors down
a bit. Of course most of that is probably just some friendly ribbing :D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:28 PM
To: 'jeepin_in_az'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Writeup is done!
http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
All right! So, I was not the only one that mentioned the purple! LOL
My teenage son once told me that my web site pages (with the light gray
background) were kind of dull. I explained to him that people came to
read the write-up and look at the pics. Black text on light gray is
easy on the eyes....it is not dull.
If they want art, they need to go to the art gallery! LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:26 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Wow! I know who to call when I find my AW4 to swap in!
That is an absolute incredible write up Scott!
BUT, man, that purple really hurts the eyes after a while....
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
>
> I can't believe how long this writeup took. I probably have 10 hours
> into it. I couldn't decide what to leave out so I went ahead put it
all
> in :D I think it was worth the effort.
>
> Feedback is appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott K
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69905 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:53pm
Subject: For Joe W
This will help you fix your 'Gay' monitor.
http://www.ciaspalette.com/pages/monitors.html
LOL
Scott K
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69906 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 5:11pm
Subject: Did anyone here get married in their Jeep in Vegas ????
I was just watching a show on the Travel Channel that my TIVO recorded cause it had the Keyword Jeep in it. A couple from Phoenix named Bill and Sandy went to Vegas in their TJ and got married in it at a drive up wedding chapel in their Jeep.........I figured that two people like that had to be Jeep hardcores and might belong to the VJC.......just wondering if we had any celebs here :-)
Mike
69907 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 9:39pm
Subject: RE: Off-road accident & body work cost
Hi Joey,
Perhaps he was paraphrasing me& but if so& his added even if the cost is BS didnt come from me. I recommended that the person be smart and review the quote.
I did however, say that the person getting the repair done had the option of choosing the place they wanted it done and regardless of where the person chooses, the individual who caused the damage should pay the cost& whatever it may be.
Im pretty particular and I wouldnt let anyone choose my repair shop for me ESPECIALLY if their goal was to find the most inexpensive repair facility possible.
You see& the goals of the two parties involved are mutually exclusive& one wants it cheap and one wants it right. Generally, you can have one or the other, but not both.
My experience in body shops is that you *almost* always get what you pay for&
You pay cheap; you get cheap.
Repair and paint is an art& some can do it right; most absolutely cannot (not to my standards anyway).
Enough said. I suspect I made my point and whoever paraphrased me should hone up on their paraphrasing skills
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:01 PM
To: arizonajeep@cox.net; chaton602@aol.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
Then my sincerest apologies to you Joe.
But didn't you say "bite the bullet ... let the guy with the damaged Jeep get it fixed where he wants ... and this has nothing to do with the cost; she should pay whatever it costs."?
I think Anthony was paraphrasing someone. Was it not you?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:16 PM
To: joey@joekul.com; chaton602@aol.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
You would be incorrect. Those words are not mine.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:56 PM
To: chaton602@aol.com; 'Joe West'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
yes you are correct. I believe it was Joe West I should have copied or directed it to.
So Joe here you go a cut and paste of what I posted earlier.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just my opinion but it is thinking like this "then let that be a lesson and get the damage fixed regardless of the cost, even if the cost is BS" that drives insurance costs up. Have a cracked windshield? Let your insurance company pay for a new one and a month of dinners at your favorite restaurant instead of passing a discount to the insurance company.
Just My Opinion.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602@aol.com [mailto:chaton602@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:14 PM
To: joey@desertjeep.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
We'll I was just quoting what was said by another member (just not word for word).
Anthony
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69908 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 5:24pm
Subject: Jeep History on the History Channel
Just looking at my list of shows that my TIVO is going to record in the next two weeks and noticed that on Monday the 11th at 1pm Eastern Time, the History channel has a 1 hour program called "The Big Rigs of Combat:Jeeps - combat car, snowplow and ambulance" Just in case any of you might be interested in watching it. Also recently the Outdoor channel has had some really good stuff on one of its programs called 4x4 TV......Terra Del Sol in CA, Moab, 4WD off road racing, SkyJacker extreme rock crawling championships..........check it out, some NICE rigs! History Channel, Discovery Channel both have had 1 and 2 hour programs on the history of the Jeep and 4x4's (most of it was Jeeps) in the last month or so.
Mike
69909 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 10:34pm
Subject: [FS] Scout Axles
Price: $800.00/BO
Contact: T.J. Gill
Front and Rear D44's. Front has disc brakes. Both axles are fully trussed and guarded. Rear axle has Strange HD stainless steel axles. I believe they are 4.56 gears, but not quite sure. One small catch: A rolling frame/Scout II body go w/the axles, will NOT separate. The scout Tub is rhino lined and has cage and tire carrier.
Call: 480.325.5401 or AZICE626@aol.com
T.J. Gill
69910 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 10:48pm
Subject: [FS] Turbo City performance parts for 91-96 Cherokee
Price:
Contact:
69911 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 10:58pm
Subject: [FS] Turbo City Performance parts for 91-96 Cherokee
Price: $500
Contact: billbrooks1@cox.net
This is a partial 40 horse power kit from Turbo city. I have a bored throttle body, air tube w/k&n; air filter, crankshaft position sensor, and tuneable map sensor. The part missing to complete it would be a free flowing exhaust system. The electrical parts were never installed and are still in the bags. Remember guys this does not require a core charge you can keep your old equipment thus saving a lot of money.
69912 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:05pm
Subject: Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Amen Brutha!
Nice writeup Scott. Cool mod.
Chris
On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 08:16 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
> Welcome to the world of documenting your projects…..now you realize
> why so few people do it. (and some that do it do it very badly)J
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
>
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:47 PM
> To: AZ_VJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
>
>
>
> http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
>
>
>
> I can't believe how long this writeup took. I probably have 10 hours
> into it. I couldn't decide what to leave out so I went ahead put it
> all in :D I think it was worth the effort.
>
>
>
> Feedback is appreciated!
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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69913 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:06pm
Subject: [FS] Turbo City Performance parts for 91-96 Cherokee
Price: $500
Contact: billbrooks1@cox.net
I have a bored throttle body, air tube w/k&n; air filter, crankshaft position sensor, and adjustable map sensor for sale. These parts with a free flowing exhaust can produce an extra 38 horsepower.The electrical parts were never installed and are still in the bags. There is no core charge for these parts saving a lot of time and shipping costs.
69914 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:21pm
Subject: Re: Re: Who the hell was that?
Man... that sure would suck to be the passenger if that was the case :) hahaha... actually I think he did the fenders for aerodinamics... Maybe Shaky's going somewhere new with this whole thing... He's creating wings on the side of his jeep to keep it horizontal.... oh yeah.. and upright... Hopefully all his beta testing pays off... Ill be the first to alpha it :) ( if it works! )
Nick
~~~~ Have an EXCEL-ent Day!! ~~~~
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4x4jeep.net
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Http://www.excelir.com/greatrates - Your gateway to Financial Freedom!
Home Office: 602-595-7734 Cell: 602-400-8896
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----- Original Message -----
From: onebdjeep@cox.net
To: Nick Gasmena ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com ; Sean Speer
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [az_vjc] Who the hell was that?
FUN NOODLES!! will that thing float or will it just lay on its side like the oops pics on the site?
>
> From: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4x4Jeep.Net>
> Date: 2002/11/06 Wed PM 06:05:16 EST
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>, "Sean Speer" <seanspeer@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Who the hell was that?
>
> lol... dont let the fun noodles fool you! That thing has magnet on top of its roll cage :)
>
> Nick
>
> ~~~~ Have an EXCEL-ent Day!! ~~~~
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@4x4jeep.net
> -----------------------
> Http://www.excelir.com/greatrates - Your gateway to Financial Freedom!
> Home Office: 602-595-7734 Cell: 602-400-8896
> -----------------------
> My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sean Speer
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:38 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Who the hell was that?
>
>
> This is the second day that I have seen this rig. It has yellow bars/pads and some serious mods. I can't tell what the color is cuz it is pretty early in the morning... and there are loads of stickers! SWEET RIG MAN!!!! I waved to ya on the southbound 101 this morn... ya looked pretty damn cold! lets stop for coffee some day!
>
> Sean
> 97 Stock TJ with mods soon to come.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
>
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lol... dont let the fun noodles fool you! That thing has magnet on top of its roll cage :)
Nick
~~~~ Have an EXCEL-ent Day!! ~~~~
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4x4jeep.net
-----------------------
Http://www.excelir.com/greatrates - Your gateway to Financial Freedom!
Home Office: 602-595-7734 Cell: 602-400-8896
-----------------------
My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Speer
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:38 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Who the hell was that?
This is the second day that I have seen this rig. It has yellow bars/pads and some serious mods. I can't tell what the color is cuz it is pretty early in the morning... and there are loads of stickers! SWEET RIG MAN!!!! I waved to ya on the southbound 101 this morn... ya looked pretty damn cold! lets stop for coffee some day!
Sean
97 Stock TJ with mods soon to come.
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69915 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:43pm
Subject: Take it or leave it?
Yo! I have parked infront of my apartment, an 88 Jeep with 254k mi on it with a rebuilt motor... which now has about 50k on it... exterior paint needs to be redone due to fading... a few small dents. It has a 3" lift or so, looks like RE maybe... the front end shakes really bad at 45 or so and you have to stop to come out of it pretty much... I think it can be fixed easily by adjusting the trac-bar or just getting an alignment. The shifter has to be shifted from 1st to 4th, but I believe can be easily fixed by myself... Interior.. who really cares? But its decent too :) No stereo thats all.... also has manual everything...
I can snag it for $1500... should I take it or leave it?
Are mods expensive for XJ's? I will be wheeling it moderatly, when im too lazy to get up in my jeep or shift :) Can it pull my TJ (mwahaha pun intended) if I put a V8 in it?
I will probably use it as a project, then daily driver so I wont be doing any larger than 38's :) j/k I will settle for 33's... after all... its gonna be my luxurious towing vehicle, the one that actually does the real rock crawling :) Along with no more sleepless nights in the front seat of the TJ with no doors or windows... The heater does no good without those two compliments...
Please throw me your suggestions..
Thanks,
Nick
~~~~ Have an EXCEL-ent Day!! ~~~~
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4x4jeep.net
-----------------------
Http://www.excelir.com/greatrates - Your gateway to Financial Freedom!
Home Office: 602-595-7734 Cell: 602-400-8896
-----------------------
My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
69916 From: chris benner <jeeperinaz@t...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 0:29am
Subject: Videos from FR 42 trip 11/03/02
Okay my slow butt finally got around to editing the videos from the FR42 11/03 trip. Who was the driver of the TJ that made the first plunge into the river?? I also have a pretty good video of that tj that got stuck on the edge of the trail and had to be winched back up.
I don't have the streaming figured out yet, so just right click on the video you want and save it to your computer before you play it.
All videos are recorded in Divx 4.02
http://www.azbackcountry.com/movies
69917 From: Dave oboyle <arizonaXj@h...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 1:13am
Subject: Re: [FS] Scout Axles
What year and does it have a title???
Dave
Rock Rash is better than Road Rash
Http://ArizonaXJ.Rockcrawler.com
>From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@azvjc.org>
>Reply-To: azice626@aol.com
>To: AzVJC <az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Scout Axles
>Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 06:34:25 (GMT)
>
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From: AzVJC Website azvjc@a...
Mailing-List: list az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; contact az_vjc-owner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 06:34:25 (GMT)
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Scout Axles
Price: $800.00/BO
Contact: T.J. Gill
Front and Rear D44's. Front has disc brakes. Both axles are fully trussed and guarded. Rear axle has Strange HD stainless steel axles. I believe they are 4.56 gears, but not quite sure. One small catch: A rolling frame/Scout II body go w/the axles, will NOT separate. The scout Tub is rhino lined and has cage and tire carrier.
Call: 480.325.5401 or AZICE626@aol.com
T.J. Gill
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69918 From: <azdesertrhino@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:24pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2958
Hey Scott,
Good Job!!
Jim
Tucson
In a message dated 11/6/2002 10:08:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com writes:
Subject: re: Write up is done AW4 in TJ
69919 From: Bob Jacques <bjacques@m...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 5:57am
Subject: Name tags at Coves Cleanup ?
Here is an idea I will throw out to the group.... A few weeks back at Joe's
Kill Switch Clinic, all attendee's were given a name tag upon arrival. Joe
said that he didn't want to try to be remembering names all day long.... I
thought it was a great idea and it certainly did help with all the new faces
! That was only 20+ people ! We are looking at 100+ people this
weekend at the Coves Cleanup... Maybe some of the old-timers (meaning long
time/original/people with good memory ability, etc.etc..) will know most of
the people in attendance. But I am willing to bet that most people will
not... Point being that I think it would be a good idea to do name tags at
check-in at Butcher Jones.... I think Mike Baney is handling duties at the
green gate.... Mike, let me know what you think and I would be willing to do
name tags at check in if you want..
Bob Jacques
02 X
69920 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:02am
Subject: RE: Off-road accident & body work cost
I totally agree with you Joe.
Joey K
93YJ
PS 11:00 PM???
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:39 PM
To: joey@joekul.com; chaton602@aol.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
Hi Joey,
Perhaps he was paraphrasing me& but if so& his added even if the cost is BS didnt come from me. I recommended that the person be smart and review the quote.
I did however, say that the person getting the repair done had the option of choosing the place they wanted it done and regardless of where the person chooses, the individual who caused the damage should pay the cost& whatever it may be.
Im pretty particular and I wouldnt let anyone choose my repair shop for me ESPECIALLY if their goal was to find the most inexpensive repair facility possible.
You see& the goals of the two parties involved are mutually exclusive& one wants it cheap and one wants it right. Generally, you can have one or the other, but not both.
My experience in body shops is that you *almost* always get what you pay for&
You pay cheap; you get cheap.
Repair and paint is an art& some can do it right; most absolutely cannot (not to my standards anyway).
Enough said. I suspect I made my point and whoever paraphrased me should hone up on their paraphrasing skills
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:01 PM
To: arizonajeep@cox.net; chaton602@aol.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
Then my sincerest apologies to you Joe.
But didn't you say "bite the bullet ... let the guy with the damaged Jeep get it fixed where he wants ... and this has nothing to do with the cost; she should pay whatever it costs."?
I think Anthony was paraphrasing someone. Was it not you?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:16 PM
To: joey@joekul.com; chaton602@aol.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
You would be incorrect. Those words are not mine.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:56 PM
To: chaton602@aol.com; 'Joe West'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
yes you are correct. I believe it was Joe West I should have copied or directed it to.
So Joe here you go a cut and paste of what I posted earlier.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just my opinion but it is thinking like this "then let that be a lesson and get the damage fixed regardless of the cost, even if the cost is BS" that drives insurance costs up. Have a cracked windshield? Let your insurance company pay for a new one and a month of dinners at your favorite restaurant instead of passing a discount to the insurance company.
Just My Opinion.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602@aol.com [mailto:chaton602@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:14 PM
To: joey@desertjeep.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
We'll I was just quoting what was said by another member (just not word for word).
Anthony
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69921 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:17am
Subject: Re: BFG Krawler update
Great. I hope they offer a 37x12.50 15
Thanks for the update, Rick
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: RICK BEER
To: JEEP
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] BFG Krawler update
I talked to BF Goodrich today the Krawler will be out for the public sometime the first quarter of 2003
not sure of all the sizes available i will keep everyone imformed
there are out there I have seen them myself pretty impressive looking
Rod Hall has been testing them on there off road trucks in Nevada & they are being used on some of the big wigs @ truckin nationals around the country
I will be getting some promotional stuff from BFG poster's hats,decals ect. in the next few days
they are going to target must of the 4x4 clubs to get this tire up a running meaning rebates
THANKS RICK BEER
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69922 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:21am
Subject: RE: For Joe W
Its a Sun workstation running UNIX with an 8 bit frame buffer& aint nothing going to fix it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:54 PM
To: AZ_VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] For Joe W
This will help you fix your 'Gay' monitor.
http://www.ciaspalette.com/pages/monitors.html
LOL
Scott K
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69923 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:30am
Subject: RE: Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Scott,
I would recommend that you tone it down just a bit... mute the background so
it's a little easier on the eyes... it's just a wee bit bright.
I think you'll find yourself doing a few changes as you polish it up a bit
and get feedback from people who read it... which will add some time to how
long it actually took to create it; you're not done yet!
The cool thing is that you'll be surprised at how many people will reference
it and how many Jeep folks you will be helping out. Sure makes you
appreciate how much work people like Chris Krieg and Stu Olson put into
their web pages. My page looks like crap and I have well over a hundred
hours into it... <sigh>
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:48 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; 'jeepin_in_az'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
I checked and if you do a print preview it comes out nicely. I also
discovered that if you were to print the entire article out it would be
66 pages long. That makes it one of, if not the biggest writeups on any
1 Jeep subject that I've ever read.
If I worked on this for 10 hours that's 6.6 pages per hour. Not too bad.
I think this definitely pushes my time for the entire swap way over 60
hours (not including however many hours Stu helped me). That includes
well over a dozen hours pouring through XJ and TJ wiring diagrams. This
is the type of behind the scenes work that you don't actually see in the
writeup, but obviously it's in there.
On my monitor and the 3 other monitors I tested it on, it wasn't too bad
on the eyes. If you guys think it's an issue I can tone the colors down
a bit. Of course most of that is probably just some friendly ribbing :D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:28 PM
To: 'jeepin_in_az'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Writeup is done!
http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
All right! So, I was not the only one that mentioned the purple! LOL
My teenage son once told me that my web site pages (with the light gray
background) were kind of dull. I explained to him that people came to
read the write-up and look at the pics. Black text on light gray is
easy on the eyes....it is not dull.
If they want art, they need to go to the art gallery! LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:26 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Wow! I know who to call when I find my AW4 to swap in!
That is an absolute incredible write up Scott!
BUT, man, that purple really hurts the eyes after a while....
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
>
> I can't believe how long this writeup took. I probably have 10 hours
> into it. I couldn't decide what to leave out so I went ahead put it
all
> in :D I think it was worth the effort.
>
> Feedback is appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott K
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69924 From: Tom Jacobson <tjacobson@t...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:42am
Subject: Re: d35 axle shafts
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the newer XJ axles be the c-clip style?
The 90YJ SHOULD be the non c-clip version. So I don't think these would work for you.
Don't take this to the bank yet, though. See if someone else steps in with an ABSOLUTE positve response...if there is such a thing! ;-) I know Jeep went to the c-clip rear axle around 90 or 91...do you know what version yours is?
Tom
87 YJ
Message: 19
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 04:14:02 -0000
From: "warm_arizona" <warm_arizona@y...>
Subject: d35 axle shafts
Will Dana 35 axle shafts from a 96 Cherokee fit a YJ? Got a chance
to pick up some trail spares real cheap.
Greg
90YJ
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69900 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 8:52pm
Subject: Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Scott,
The time spent on write ups is amazing. At ten hours that is almost
longer than installing the tranny, isn't it? :D Thanks for the
effort, ahead of time. I haven't read it yet, I will probably get
some time to do so this weekend.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
>
> I can't believe how long this writeup took. I probably have 10 hours
> into it. I couldn't decide what to leave out so I went ahead put it
all
> in :D I think it was worth the effort.
>
> Feedback is appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott K
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Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 9:01pm
Subject: [FS] Cherokee Header
Price: 175.00
Contact: akamoefo@hotmail.com
Brand new in the Box, Borla Header - fits 91-97 Cherokee &; Commanche with 4.0 six. Go for approx. 400.00 new
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69902 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 9:00pm
Subject: RE: Off-road accident & body work cost
Then my sincerest apologies to you Joe.
But didn't you say "bite the bullet ... let the guy with the damaged Jeep get it fixed where he wants ... and this has nothing to do with the cost; she should pay whatever it costs."?
I think Anthony was paraphrasing someone. Was it not you?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:16 PM
To: joey@joekul.com; chaton602@aol.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
You would be incorrect. Those words are not mine.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:56 PM
To: chaton602@aol.com; 'Joe West'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
yes you are correct. I believe it was Joe West I should have copied or directed it to.
So Joe here you go a cut and paste of what I posted earlier.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just my opinion but it is thinking like this "then let that be a lesson and get the damage fixed regardless of the cost, even if the cost is BS" that drives insurance costs up. Have a cracked windshield? Let your insurance company pay for a new one and a month of dinners at your favorite restaurant instead of passing a discount to the insurance company.
Just My Opinion.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602@aol.com [mailto:chaton602@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:14 PM
To: joey@desertjeep.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
We'll I was just quoting what was said by another member (just not word for word).
Anthony
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69903 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 8:55pm
Subject: RE: Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Scott,
If you print it out there is no purple.
At 66 pages its perfect for the bathroom reading rack.
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:53 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Scott,
The time spent on write ups is amazing. At ten hours that is almost
longer than installing the tranny, isn't it? :D Thanks for the
effort, ahead of time. I haven't read it yet, I will probably get
some time to do so this weekend.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
>
> I can't believe how long this writeup took. I probably have 10 hours
> into it. I couldn't decide what to leave out so I went ahead put it
all
> in :D I think it was worth the effort.
>
> Feedback is appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott K
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69904 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:48pm
Subject: RE: Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
I checked and if you do a print preview it comes out nicely. I also
discovered that if you were to print the entire article out it would be
66 pages long. That makes it one of, if not the biggest writeups on any
1 Jeep subject that I've ever read.
If I worked on this for 10 hours that's 6.6 pages per hour. Not too bad.
I think this definitely pushes my time for the entire swap way over 60
hours (not including however many hours Stu helped me). That includes
well over a dozen hours pouring through XJ and TJ wiring diagrams. This
is the type of behind the scenes work that you don't actually see in the
writeup, but obviously it's in there.
On my monitor and the 3 other monitors I tested it on, it wasn't too bad
on the eyes. If you guys think it's an issue I can tone the colors down
a bit. Of course most of that is probably just some friendly ribbing :D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:28 PM
To: 'jeepin_in_az'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Writeup is done!
http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
All right! So, I was not the only one that mentioned the purple! LOL
My teenage son once told me that my web site pages (with the light gray
background) were kind of dull. I explained to him that people came to
read the write-up and look at the pics. Black text on light gray is
easy on the eyes....it is not dull.
If they want art, they need to go to the art gallery! LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:26 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Wow! I know who to call when I find my AW4 to swap in!
That is an absolute incredible write up Scott!
BUT, man, that purple really hurts the eyes after a while....
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
>
> I can't believe how long this writeup took. I probably have 10 hours
> into it. I couldn't decide what to leave out so I went ahead put it
all
> in :D I think it was worth the effort.
>
> Feedback is appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott K
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69905 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:53pm
Subject: For Joe W
This will help you fix your 'Gay' monitor.
http://www.ciaspalette.com/pages/monitors.html
LOL
Scott K
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69906 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 5:11pm
Subject: Did anyone here get married in their Jeep in Vegas ????
I was just watching a show on the Travel Channel that my TIVO recorded cause it had the Keyword Jeep in it. A couple from Phoenix named Bill and Sandy went to Vegas in their TJ and got married in it at a drive up wedding chapel in their Jeep.........I figured that two people like that had to be Jeep hardcores and might belong to the VJC.......just wondering if we had any celebs here :-)
Mike
69907 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 9:39pm
Subject: RE: Off-road accident & body work cost
Hi Joey,
Perhaps he was paraphrasing me& but if so& his added even if the cost is BS didnt come from me. I recommended that the person be smart and review the quote.
I did however, say that the person getting the repair done had the option of choosing the place they wanted it done and regardless of where the person chooses, the individual who caused the damage should pay the cost& whatever it may be.
Im pretty particular and I wouldnt let anyone choose my repair shop for me ESPECIALLY if their goal was to find the most inexpensive repair facility possible.
You see& the goals of the two parties involved are mutually exclusive& one wants it cheap and one wants it right. Generally, you can have one or the other, but not both.
My experience in body shops is that you *almost* always get what you pay for&
You pay cheap; you get cheap.
Repair and paint is an art& some can do it right; most absolutely cannot (not to my standards anyway).
Enough said. I suspect I made my point and whoever paraphrased me should hone up on their paraphrasing skills
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:01 PM
To: arizonajeep@cox.net; chaton602@aol.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
Then my sincerest apologies to you Joe.
But didn't you say "bite the bullet ... let the guy with the damaged Jeep get it fixed where he wants ... and this has nothing to do with the cost; she should pay whatever it costs."?
I think Anthony was paraphrasing someone. Was it not you?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:16 PM
To: joey@joekul.com; chaton602@aol.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
You would be incorrect. Those words are not mine.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:56 PM
To: chaton602@aol.com; 'Joe West'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
yes you are correct. I believe it was Joe West I should have copied or directed it to.
So Joe here you go a cut and paste of what I posted earlier.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just my opinion but it is thinking like this "then let that be a lesson and get the damage fixed regardless of the cost, even if the cost is BS" that drives insurance costs up. Have a cracked windshield? Let your insurance company pay for a new one and a month of dinners at your favorite restaurant instead of passing a discount to the insurance company.
Just My Opinion.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602@aol.com [mailto:chaton602@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:14 PM
To: joey@desertjeep.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
We'll I was just quoting what was said by another member (just not word for word).
Anthony
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69908 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 5:24pm
Subject: Jeep History on the History Channel
Just looking at my list of shows that my TIVO is going to record in the next two weeks and noticed that on Monday the 11th at 1pm Eastern Time, the History channel has a 1 hour program called "The Big Rigs of Combat:Jeeps - combat car, snowplow and ambulance" Just in case any of you might be interested in watching it. Also recently the Outdoor channel has had some really good stuff on one of its programs called 4x4 TV......Terra Del Sol in CA, Moab, 4WD off road racing, SkyJacker extreme rock crawling championships..........check it out, some NICE rigs! History Channel, Discovery Channel both have had 1 and 2 hour programs on the history of the Jeep and 4x4's (most of it was Jeeps) in the last month or so.
Mike
69909 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 10:34pm
Subject: [FS] Scout Axles
Price: $800.00/BO
Contact: T.J. Gill
Front and Rear D44's. Front has disc brakes. Both axles are fully trussed and guarded. Rear axle has Strange HD stainless steel axles. I believe they are 4.56 gears, but not quite sure. One small catch: A rolling frame/Scout II body go w/the axles, will NOT separate. The scout Tub is rhino lined and has cage and tire carrier.
Call: 480.325.5401 or AZICE626@aol.com
T.J. Gill
69910 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 10:48pm
Subject: [FS] Turbo City performance parts for 91-96 Cherokee
Price:
Contact:
69911 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 10:58pm
Subject: [FS] Turbo City Performance parts for 91-96 Cherokee
Price: $500
Contact: billbrooks1@cox.net
This is a partial 40 horse power kit from Turbo city. I have a bored throttle body, air tube w/k&n; air filter, crankshaft position sensor, and tuneable map sensor. The part missing to complete it would be a free flowing exhaust system. The electrical parts were never installed and are still in the bags. Remember guys this does not require a core charge you can keep your old equipment thus saving a lot of money.
69912 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:05pm
Subject: Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Amen Brutha!
Nice writeup Scott. Cool mod.
Chris
On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 08:16 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
> Welcome to the world of documenting your projects…..now you realize
> why so few people do it. (and some that do it do it very badly)J
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
>
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:47 PM
> To: AZ_VJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
>
>
>
> http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
>
>
>
> I can't believe how long this writeup took. I probably have 10 hours
> into it. I couldn't decide what to leave out so I went ahead put it
> all in :D I think it was worth the effort.
>
>
>
> Feedback is appreciated!
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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69913 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:06pm
Subject: [FS] Turbo City Performance parts for 91-96 Cherokee
Price: $500
Contact: billbrooks1@cox.net
I have a bored throttle body, air tube w/k&n; air filter, crankshaft position sensor, and adjustable map sensor for sale. These parts with a free flowing exhaust can produce an extra 38 horsepower.The electrical parts were never installed and are still in the bags. There is no core charge for these parts saving a lot of time and shipping costs.
69914 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:21pm
Subject: Re: Re: Who the hell was that?
Man... that sure would suck to be the passenger if that was the case :) hahaha... actually I think he did the fenders for aerodinamics... Maybe Shaky's going somewhere new with this whole thing... He's creating wings on the side of his jeep to keep it horizontal.... oh yeah.. and upright... Hopefully all his beta testing pays off... Ill be the first to alpha it :) ( if it works! )
Nick
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----- Original Message -----
From: onebdjeep@cox.net
To: Nick Gasmena ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com ; Sean Speer
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [az_vjc] Who the hell was that?
FUN NOODLES!! will that thing float or will it just lay on its side like the oops pics on the site?
>
> From: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4x4Jeep.Net>
> Date: 2002/11/06 Wed PM 06:05:16 EST
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>, "Sean Speer" <seanspeer@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Who the hell was that?
>
> lol... dont let the fun noodles fool you! That thing has magnet on top of its roll cage :)
>
> Nick
>
> ~~~~ Have an EXCEL-ent Day!! ~~~~
>
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> Http://www.excelir.com/greatrates - Your gateway to Financial Freedom!
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sean Speer
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:38 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Who the hell was that?
>
>
> This is the second day that I have seen this rig. It has yellow bars/pads and some serious mods. I can't tell what the color is cuz it is pretty early in the morning... and there are loads of stickers! SWEET RIG MAN!!!! I waved to ya on the southbound 101 this morn... ya looked pretty damn cold! lets stop for coffee some day!
>
> Sean
> 97 Stock TJ with mods soon to come.
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lol... dont let the fun noodles fool you! That thing has magnet on top of its roll cage :)
Nick
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Home Office: 602-595-7734 Cell: 602-400-8896
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Speer
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:38 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Who the hell was that?
This is the second day that I have seen this rig. It has yellow bars/pads and some serious mods. I can't tell what the color is cuz it is pretty early in the morning... and there are loads of stickers! SWEET RIG MAN!!!! I waved to ya on the southbound 101 this morn... ya looked pretty damn cold! lets stop for coffee some day!
Sean
97 Stock TJ with mods soon to come.
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69915 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:43pm
Subject: Take it or leave it?
Yo! I have parked infront of my apartment, an 88 Jeep with 254k mi on it with a rebuilt motor... which now has about 50k on it... exterior paint needs to be redone due to fading... a few small dents. It has a 3" lift or so, looks like RE maybe... the front end shakes really bad at 45 or so and you have to stop to come out of it pretty much... I think it can be fixed easily by adjusting the trac-bar or just getting an alignment. The shifter has to be shifted from 1st to 4th, but I believe can be easily fixed by myself... Interior.. who really cares? But its decent too :) No stereo thats all.... also has manual everything...
I can snag it for $1500... should I take it or leave it?
Are mods expensive for XJ's? I will be wheeling it moderatly, when im too lazy to get up in my jeep or shift :) Can it pull my TJ (mwahaha pun intended) if I put a V8 in it?
I will probably use it as a project, then daily driver so I wont be doing any larger than 38's :) j/k I will settle for 33's... after all... its gonna be my luxurious towing vehicle, the one that actually does the real rock crawling :) Along with no more sleepless nights in the front seat of the TJ with no doors or windows... The heater does no good without those two compliments...
Please throw me your suggestions..
Thanks,
Nick
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69916 From: chris benner <jeeperinaz@t...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 0:29am
Subject: Videos from FR 42 trip 11/03/02
Okay my slow butt finally got around to editing the videos from the FR42 11/03 trip. Who was the driver of the TJ that made the first plunge into the river?? I also have a pretty good video of that tj that got stuck on the edge of the trail and had to be winched back up.
I don't have the streaming figured out yet, so just right click on the video you want and save it to your computer before you play it.
All videos are recorded in Divx 4.02
http://www.azbackcountry.com/movies
69917 From: Dave oboyle <arizonaXj@h...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 1:13am
Subject: Re: [FS] Scout Axles
What year and does it have a title???
Dave
Rock Rash is better than Road Rash
Http://ArizonaXJ.Rockcrawler.com
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>To: AzVJC <az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Scout Axles
>Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 06:34:25 (GMT)
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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 06:34:25 (GMT)
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Scout Axles
Price: $800.00/BO
Contact: T.J. Gill
Front and Rear D44's. Front has disc brakes. Both axles are fully trussed and guarded. Rear axle has Strange HD stainless steel axles. I believe they are 4.56 gears, but not quite sure. One small catch: A rolling frame/Scout II body go w/the axles, will NOT separate. The scout Tub is rhino lined and has cage and tire carrier.
Call: 480.325.5401 or AZICE626@aol.com
T.J. Gill
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69918 From: <azdesertrhino@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 11:24pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2958
Hey Scott,
Good Job!!
Jim
Tucson
In a message dated 11/6/2002 10:08:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com writes:
Subject: re: Write up is done AW4 in TJ
69919 From: Bob Jacques <bjacques@m...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 5:57am
Subject: Name tags at Coves Cleanup ?
Here is an idea I will throw out to the group.... A few weeks back at Joe's
Kill Switch Clinic, all attendee's were given a name tag upon arrival. Joe
said that he didn't want to try to be remembering names all day long.... I
thought it was a great idea and it certainly did help with all the new faces
! That was only 20+ people ! We are looking at 100+ people this
weekend at the Coves Cleanup... Maybe some of the old-timers (meaning long
time/original/people with good memory ability, etc.etc..) will know most of
the people in attendance. But I am willing to bet that most people will
not... Point being that I think it would be a good idea to do name tags at
check-in at Butcher Jones.... I think Mike Baney is handling duties at the
green gate.... Mike, let me know what you think and I would be willing to do
name tags at check in if you want..
Bob Jacques
02 X
69920 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:02am
Subject: RE: Off-road accident & body work cost
I totally agree with you Joe.
Joey K
93YJ
PS 11:00 PM???
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:39 PM
To: joey@joekul.com; chaton602@aol.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
Hi Joey,
Perhaps he was paraphrasing me& but if so& his added even if the cost is BS didnt come from me. I recommended that the person be smart and review the quote.
I did however, say that the person getting the repair done had the option of choosing the place they wanted it done and regardless of where the person chooses, the individual who caused the damage should pay the cost& whatever it may be.
Im pretty particular and I wouldnt let anyone choose my repair shop for me ESPECIALLY if their goal was to find the most inexpensive repair facility possible.
You see& the goals of the two parties involved are mutually exclusive& one wants it cheap and one wants it right. Generally, you can have one or the other, but not both.
My experience in body shops is that you *almost* always get what you pay for&
You pay cheap; you get cheap.
Repair and paint is an art& some can do it right; most absolutely cannot (not to my standards anyway).
Enough said. I suspect I made my point and whoever paraphrased me should hone up on their paraphrasing skills
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:01 PM
To: arizonajeep@cox.net; chaton602@aol.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
Then my sincerest apologies to you Joe.
But didn't you say "bite the bullet ... let the guy with the damaged Jeep get it fixed where he wants ... and this has nothing to do with the cost; she should pay whatever it costs."?
I think Anthony was paraphrasing someone. Was it not you?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:16 PM
To: joey@joekul.com; chaton602@aol.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
You would be incorrect. Those words are not mine.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:56 PM
To: chaton602@aol.com; 'Joe West'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
yes you are correct. I believe it was Joe West I should have copied or directed it to.
So Joe here you go a cut and paste of what I posted earlier.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just my opinion but it is thinking like this "then let that be a lesson and get the damage fixed regardless of the cost, even if the cost is BS" that drives insurance costs up. Have a cracked windshield? Let your insurance company pay for a new one and a month of dinners at your favorite restaurant instead of passing a discount to the insurance company.
Just My Opinion.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: chaton602@aol.com [mailto:chaton602@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:14 PM
To: joey@desertjeep.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
We'll I was just quoting what was said by another member (just not word for word).
Anthony
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69921 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:17am
Subject: Re: BFG Krawler update
Great. I hope they offer a 37x12.50 15
Thanks for the update, Rick
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: RICK BEER
To: JEEP
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] BFG Krawler update
I talked to BF Goodrich today the Krawler will be out for the public sometime the first quarter of 2003
not sure of all the sizes available i will keep everyone imformed
there are out there I have seen them myself pretty impressive looking
Rod Hall has been testing them on there off road trucks in Nevada & they are being used on some of the big wigs @ truckin nationals around the country
I will be getting some promotional stuff from BFG poster's hats,decals ect. in the next few days
they are going to target must of the 4x4 clubs to get this tire up a running meaning rebates
THANKS RICK BEER
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69922 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:21am
Subject: RE: For Joe W
Its a Sun workstation running UNIX with an 8 bit frame buffer& aint nothing going to fix it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:54 PM
To: AZ_VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] For Joe W
This will help you fix your 'Gay' monitor.
http://www.ciaspalette.com/pages/monitors.html
LOL
Scott K
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69923 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:30am
Subject: RE: Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Scott,
I would recommend that you tone it down just a bit... mute the background so
it's a little easier on the eyes... it's just a wee bit bright.
I think you'll find yourself doing a few changes as you polish it up a bit
and get feedback from people who read it... which will add some time to how
long it actually took to create it; you're not done yet!
The cool thing is that you'll be surprised at how many people will reference
it and how many Jeep folks you will be helping out. Sure makes you
appreciate how much work people like Chris Krieg and Stu Olson put into
their web pages. My page looks like crap and I have well over a hundred
hours into it... <sigh>
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:48 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; 'jeepin_in_az'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
I checked and if you do a print preview it comes out nicely. I also
discovered that if you were to print the entire article out it would be
66 pages long. That makes it one of, if not the biggest writeups on any
1 Jeep subject that I've ever read.
If I worked on this for 10 hours that's 6.6 pages per hour. Not too bad.
I think this definitely pushes my time for the entire swap way over 60
hours (not including however many hours Stu helped me). That includes
well over a dozen hours pouring through XJ and TJ wiring diagrams. This
is the type of behind the scenes work that you don't actually see in the
writeup, but obviously it's in there.
On my monitor and the 3 other monitors I tested it on, it wasn't too bad
on the eyes. If you guys think it's an issue I can tone the colors down
a bit. Of course most of that is probably just some friendly ribbing :D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:28 PM
To: 'jeepin_in_az'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Writeup is done!
http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
All right! So, I was not the only one that mentioned the purple! LOL
My teenage son once told me that my web site pages (with the light gray
background) were kind of dull. I explained to him that people came to
read the write-up and look at the pics. Black text on light gray is
easy on the eyes....it is not dull.
If they want art, they need to go to the art gallery! LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:26 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Writeup is done! http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
Wow! I know who to call when I find my AW4 to swap in!
That is an absolute incredible write up Scott!
BUT, man, that purple really hurts the eyes after a while....
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> http://members.cox.net/aw4swap
>
> I can't believe how long this writeup took. I probably have 10 hours
> into it. I couldn't decide what to leave out so I went ahead put it
all
> in :D I think it was worth the effort.
>
> Feedback is appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott K
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69924 From: Tom Jacobson <tjacobson@t...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:42am
Subject: Re: d35 axle shafts
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the newer XJ axles be the c-clip style?
The 90YJ SHOULD be the non c-clip version. So I don't think these would work for you.
Don't take this to the bank yet, though. See if someone else steps in with an ABSOLUTE positve response...if there is such a thing! ;-) I know Jeep went to the c-clip rear axle around 90 or 91...do you know what version yours is?
Tom
87 YJ
Message: 19
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 04:14:02 -0000
From: "warm_arizona" <warm_arizona@y...>
Subject: d35 axle shafts
Will Dana 35 axle shafts from a 96 Cherokee fit a YJ? Got a chance
to pick up some trail spares real cheap.
Greg
90YJ
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