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69775 From: flyingmonkeydemon <hockeydawg@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 2:13am
Subject: Re: New lift...wrenching party?
First off, I want to thank everybody that replied. Sooo many
options...but my curiosity is getting the better of me and with all
I've heard about Duffy Ladd's shop, I have to check it out. So, to
everyone that offered to help, as of now, I'm planning on lugging
the lift kit over for the BBQ on the 16th and playing with all the
tools, so show up. I will still bring lots of beer because I don't
think I could ever feel right about myself if I showed up to a BBQ
and didn't bring beer. I've been called a beer snob by a friend so
expect at least a case of really good beer. Anyway, I hope to see
a lot of you there.
Mike Johnson
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69776 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 3:46am
Subject: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
ROTFLMAO!!! Sorry Neal;P
*cough*"booty fab"*cough*
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> Ohh, I see!!
> Gang up on the poor defenseless Tequila drinkin' drunk guy!
> Wassa matter, can't pick on some poor unsuspecting sober fool?
> Jay, you are forgiven. Neal on the other hand, was being facetious,
and
> egging me on, so I will reply:
>
> Neal, perhaps you'd like to explain to the group why you
feel "unqualified"
> to teach?
> Ok, I'll spare you and inform them.
> Neal forgets minor details like tightening nuts and bolts, so they
fall off
> his rig like limbs off a leper on a stagecoach ride. Shoot, he's
the only
> guy I know who thinks the 4th bolt in a Saginaw box
is "Optional"(Jamboree)
> Ohh, yeah, and his stuff breaks running the Spook Rally. Spring bolt
> (Probably Grade 2). Let's not forget the drill shavings in the high
PSI fuel
> pump that bought him a free ride back to camp at the end of
Booper's tow
> strap!
>
> What's this got to do with his welding? Nothing. Personally, I
think his dad
> does all that because it never breaks....
> HEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Bill Mish,
> The Undisputed KING of Booty Fab!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding
101
>
>
> > No..........I totally agree with you!!! Bill's work IS
excellent! I
> > happened to think of him right at the end. And knowing his good
sense of
> > humor I thought I would poke some fun. But I completely agree
with you.
> His
> > work and rig are EXCELLENT!!! I did not intend to make that seem
as a
> shot
> > towards Bill. And I doubt Bill took it that way.
> > --
> > ----------------------------
> > Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
> >
> > azredrocker wrote:
> >
> > > Jay, Bill Mish is an artist, just look at his rig. His selfless
> > > intent to share his vision of what a crawler should look like
> > > shouldn't be taken lightly.
> > >
> > > Here, Here Bill, my hat off to ya!!
> > > Just stay away from my bootyfab stuff, I don't need any help!
> > > :~)
> > >
> > > neal
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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69777 From: <AJEEPGIRLINAZ@A...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 0:07am
Subject: Re: Re: New lift...wrenching party?
Hi Mike,
I spoke to Duffy a little while ago about doing this. We may need to plan for you to come earlier or even a different day depending on how many people show up. Obviously, I don't know what all is involved in this project, but he said it was something you probably wouldn't want to do with 100 or so people around you. Let me know what you think. He's out of town until Friday, but we will work something out.
Teresa
69778 From: Jonathan Moore <jm9n@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 5:45am
Subject: You guys crack me up.
I've been reading about how everyone cleans their Jeep after a run and I
really liked the leaf blower idea. Well with all this talk about cleaning
their Jeep, I decided to wash my Jeep after not washing it for about 4
months and had it out in the mud and muck over the weekend. I'm currently
in VA and we are in the middle of a 4 year drought. We do get rain but
several months ago they finally started restrictions. Didn't really effect
me since we are on a well and have been watching our water use anyway. Well
I kept telling a friend who was whining about not being about to wash his
car that what he needed to do the next time it rained was to go out with a
bucket of soapy water, wash his car and let the rain rinse it off. Well
last night I took my own advice. I got home a little early and it was
raining. When I got home my wife was playing on the computer so I told her
that I had a few things to do outside and she reminded me that it was
raining. I told her that was why I was going to wash the Jeep. She just
laughed. I went outside and washed the Jeep. When I came back in, she asked
me what I had been up to since she didn't believe that I was going to wash
the Jeep and told her my Jeep was now clean and in the rinse cycle. She
didn't believe me so she went and looked out the window. After she looked
at the Jeep, she turned to me and said, You know it's only 42 degrees out
there. I told her that would explain why my hand were frozen. But at least
the Jeep is cleaner than it used to be.
Jonathan
69779 From: Jonathan Moore <jm9n@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:07am
Subject: Re: Off-road accident & body work cost
Scott,
One suggestion would be to get a copy of the repair estimate, see what it
says. Go to said shop, talk to them. Also, if you are thinking that the guy
is trying to line his pockets, have you fiance pay the shop directly
meaning have her pay the bill for her responsible part in case he is having
other work done.
Jonathan
At 10:39 PM 11/5/02 +0000, Scott Edwards wrote:
>This weekend in the dunes, my fiance turned the key to my Jeep with
>it in gear and it went forward a few feet into the side of another
>Jeep. My tow hook scraped the paint off the fender flare and dented
>the passenger side front fender of the other TJ right near the top of
>the fender. He got a quote today and said that it is $750 for parts
>and $800 for labor to repair it!!! I just wanted to check on this but
>would her insurance cover an accident that happened offroad? He
>backed into something with it the next day and damaged the back
>fender. I'm not sure if he is trying to make her pay for the whole
>thing. I would think that his insurance would cover it all and he'd
>only have to pay one deductable. Any thoughts???
>
>Also, what are some reasonably priced shops to suggest if she ends up
>having to pay this out of pocket? In an offroad accident, can he even
>make her pay for it if she doesn't want to? She does want to take
>care of it, but $1,550 for a small dent and a fender flair...come on!
>
>-Scott E.
>
>
>
>
>
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69780 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:13am
Subject: Free Sway BAR QD's - WAS - Re: Lift and 4-wheelers/Rick Bier
The disco's have been spoken for.
-Mike
----- Original Message -----
I have the RE sway bar discos leftover (went with a currie AR), brand new if anyone is interested in them,
6-pack of hops and barley and they are yours ;)
-Mike
00 TJ
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69781 From: Mitch Woodward <mitchwoodward@h...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:33am
Subject: Re: Off-road accident & body work cost
Joe,
I'm all for this, as long as the guy actually gets it fixed. I had a small
parking thing with a geo tracker a couple of years ago. I was trying to fit
in a parking spot that was a bit too tight, and put a dent the size of a
half dollar in the rear fender with the tube bumper. It was my brother's
neighbor, so I felt I should do the right thing. Keeping in mind that the
tracker was at least 4 different colors, and had numerous other dents, I
offered $250 cash to just let it slide. The girl insisted on going after my
insurance, to the tune of $1150. Each time I go see my brother I am forced
to look at the tracker, which still remains unfixed and multiple colors. I
am still paying a higher insurance premium for another year, and the *****
never got it fixed.
If this guy decides to go after her insurance and then goes on a mod spree
instead of fixing it, that's not right.
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: "'Scott Edwards'" <azcj@y...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
> Hi Scott,
>
> I have a few thoughts since you ask <grin>... whether his insurance would
> cover it all with just a small deductible or not, your fiancé is
responsible
> and should pay the charges to fix the damage she caused; regardless of the
> estimate. The person who had their Jeep damaged by her driving has the
> right to take their Jeep anywhere they like to have it repaired... from
Joe
> Schmoe's garage and barbershop to Scottsdale Porsche Paint and Body.
> She does however, have a right to see the estimate to ensure that it is
> legitimate AND to call the body shop to ensure that the numbers were not
> fabricated.
>
> Also... asking for reasonably priced shops makes me think that the owner
of
> the Jeep that was damaged is giving her a choice... not something I would
do
> were I the one with the damage. I would take my rig to a place I felt
> comfortable with, regardless of the price... I certainly wouldn't let the
> person who damaged my vehicle pick the repair shop.
>
> Sometimes lessons are difficult to learn and $1550 might actually be a
> pretty cheap lesson... think about her accidentally starting her rig with
it
> in gear on a trail run... near a cliff... get my drift?
>
> My advise to your fiancé is to bite the bullet and do the right thing,
> which, in this case, is to let the guy with the damaged Jeep get it fixed
> where he wants to and have her make sure the estimate is real. Note...
When
> I say real, I mean only for the damage she caused... and this has nothing
to
> do with the cost; she should pay whatever it costs.
>
> Tell her by doing the right thing and making it easy for the driver with
the
> bent rig... she'll be more enlightened in the next life (and less likely
to
> come back as a cricket). <grin> The good Karma is worth the cost of the
> repairs. <smile>
>
> Take care,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
>
> This weekend in the dunes, my fiance turned the key to my Jeep with
> it in gear and it went forward a few feet into the side of another
> Jeep. My tow hook scraped the paint off the fender flare and dented
> the passenger side front fender of the other TJ right near the top of
> the fender. He got a quote today and said that it is $750 for parts
> and $800 for labor to repair it!!! I just wanted to check on this but
> would her insurance cover an accident that happened offroad? He
> backed into something with it the next day and damaged the back
> fender. I'm not sure if he is trying to make her pay for the whole
> thing. I would think that his insurance would cover it all and he'd
> only have to pay one deductable. Any thoughts???
>
> Also, what are some reasonably priced shops to suggest if she ends up
> having to pay this out of pocket? In an offroad accident, can he even
> make her pay for it if she doesn't want to? She does want to take
> care of it, but $1,550 for a small dent and a fender flair...come on!
>
> -Scott E.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
69782 From: Jon Loveless-DSL <jloveless@d...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:28am
Subject: FS: D35
For Sale around the end of November:
D35 Rear Axle.
4.56 gears.
Superior Super 35 axles with Detroit Locker.
Dif Guard.
Spacer/Adapters for 5 on 5.5 rims.
Hunter strenghtening brackets.
$750 obo
Jon Loveless
480-816-0963
jloveless@directvinternet.com
jloveless@delphi-tech.com
69783 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:36am
Subject: Can I complain now?
Okay, I went out and voted and there are a few things I am not happy with.
Can I complain now? LOL
--James
69784 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:49am
Subject: [Tech] 1987 Wrangler - Tranny Swap
New member here, I have a question about getting rid of my Ba10 and NP207. I can aquire an AX15 and 231 in mint condition, but it is out of a 1998 TJ, will this swap out be a direct bolt on swap or will I have to purchase additional hardware, ie input shaft, bellhousing, ect,,, Any feedback will be greatly appreciated,,,Thanks
John Padilla
69785 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:49am
Subject: RE: Off-road accident & body work cost
I agree with Joe here but if you think he is trying to get you for both
accidents then insist on seeing the quote. The quote will tell you where the
repairs are being made. I will bet if you demand to see the quote before
paying he may just go away.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:26 PM
To: 'Scott Edwards'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
Hi Scott,
I have a few thoughts since you ask <grin>... whether his insurance would
cover it all with just a small deductible or not, your fiancé is responsible
and should pay the charges to fix the damage she caused; regardless of the
estimate. The person who had their Jeep damaged by her driving has the
right to take their Jeep anywhere they like to have it repaired... from Joe
Schmoe's garage and barbershop to Scottsdale Porsche Paint and Body.
She does however, have a right to see the estimate to ensure that it is
legitimate AND to call the body shop to ensure that the numbers were not
fabricated.
Also... asking for reasonably priced shops makes me think that the owner of
the Jeep that was damaged is giving her a choice... not something I would do
were I the one with the damage. I would take my rig to a place I felt
comfortable with, regardless of the price... I certainly wouldn't let the
person who damaged my vehicle pick the repair shop.
Sometimes lessons are difficult to learn and $1550 might actually be a
pretty cheap lesson... think about her accidentally starting her rig with it
in gear on a trail run... near a cliff... get my drift?
My advise to your fiancé is to bite the bullet and do the right thing,
which, in this case, is to let the guy with the damaged Jeep get it fixed
where he wants to and have her make sure the estimate is real. Note... When
I say real, I mean only for the damage she caused... and this has nothing to
do with the cost; she should pay whatever it costs.
Tell her by doing the right thing and making it easy for the driver with the
bent rig... she'll be more enlightened in the next life (and less likely to
come back as a cricket). <grin> The good Karma is worth the cost of the
repairs. <smile>
Take care,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:39 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
This weekend in the dunes, my fiance turned the key to my Jeep with
it in gear and it went forward a few feet into the side of another
Jeep. My tow hook scraped the paint off the fender flare and dented
the passenger side front fender of the other TJ right near the top of
the fender. He got a quote today and said that it is $750 for parts
and $800 for labor to repair it!!! I just wanted to check on this but
would her insurance cover an accident that happened offroad? He
backed into something with it the next day and damaged the back
fender. I'm not sure if he is trying to make her pay for the whole
thing. I would think that his insurance would cover it all and he'd
only have to pay one deductable. Any thoughts???
Also, what are some reasonably priced shops to suggest if she ends up
having to pay this out of pocket? In an offroad accident, can he even
make her pay for it if she doesn't want to? She does want to take
care of it, but $1,550 for a small dent and a fender flair...come on!
-Scott E.
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69786 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:53am
Subject: RE: 4 Wheeler's Supply
Yep Berry is right. My CJ does it all them time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69787 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:56am
Subject: RE: Your Trackbar *IS* bending... was RE: 4 Wheeler's Su pply
Joe - I have been through the same thing with my CJ and it has been doing it for years. My steering wheel will actully go back to normal after some road driving and I do not have a track bar. I have been all over my CJ looking for the problem and can not find anything so I have to agree with Berry on this one. Hell my wife's Ford F350 does it also.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:55 PM
To: 'Jake Wagner'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Your Trackbar *IS* bending... was RE: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
Jake,
Even though you cannot see it... your trackbar *is* bending. If you want to prove it to yourself... consider which way your axle is shifted. Notice how it is ALWAYS shifted towards the driver's side? Here's why... when your trackbar bends if effectively becomes shorter. When your trackbar becomes shorter it pulls the axle towards the frame on the driver's side. Check the measurements and I think you'll find that your axle is shifted towards the driver's side.
Second thing... it is not a TJ thing for this to happen. It does however, happen on TJs who have their front track bars beginning to pretzel. There was a time when I ALWAYS had the same thing happen after a difficult run... finally, my front trackbar bent enough where it was obvious and I replaced it with RE's best extreme duty, excessive duty, hyper-sparc duty (or whatever stupid name they are calling their latest product). Now? Even after I ran axle alley the steering is centered... I have yet to have the problem since upgrading my front track bar.
When you get tired of adjusting your drag link to re-center your steering wheel, go out and get RE's hyper-extra-special-duty front track bar and you'll likely not have to re-center your steering wheel nearly so often. Barry is being nice by trying to save you some bucks... and you probably don't need one yet... but you will.
One last thing... make sure that you keep your frame-side front track bar mount tight... they seem to have a way of working loose on a regular basis.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69788 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:02am
Subject: RE: You guys crack me up.
Too much. It is kind of like what I do here in AZ. Usually when it rains
here its just enough to make the dirt from the sand storm stick to the
Jeep. What I do is rinse the Jeep as it's raining and that helps.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Moore [mailto:jm9n@u...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:46 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] You guys crack me up.
I've been reading about how everyone cleans their Jeep after a run and I
really liked the leaf blower idea. Well with all this talk about
cleaning
their Jeep, I decided to wash my Jeep after not washing it for about 4
months and had it out in the mud and muck over the weekend. I'm
currently
in VA and we are in the middle of a 4 year drought. We do get rain but
several months ago they finally started restrictions. Didn't really
effect
me since we are on a well and have been watching our water use anyway.
Well
I kept telling a friend who was whining about not being about to wash
his
car that what he needed to do the next time it rained was to go out with
a
bucket of soapy water, wash his car and let the rain rinse it off. Well
last night I took my own advice. I got home a little early and it was
raining. When I got home my wife was playing on the computer so I told
her
that I had a few things to do outside and she reminded me that it was
raining. I told her that was why I was going to wash the Jeep. She just
laughed. I went outside and washed the Jeep. When I came back in, she
asked
me what I had been up to since she didn't believe that I was going to
wash
the Jeep and told her my Jeep was now clean and in the rinse cycle. She
didn't believe me so she went and looked out the window. After she
looked
at the Jeep, she turned to me and said, You know it's only 42 degrees
out
there. I told her that would explain why my hand were frozen. But at
least
the Jeep is cleaner than it used to be.
Jonathan
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69789 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:04am
Subject: [FS] WANTED EXHOST FOR 84 CJ7 258 motor(with out cat,no emissions equip. )
Price: CHEEP
Contact: 602-579-5132
looking for exhost for 84 CJ7 with 258 motor,I need from the manifold back I dont need the manifold,Im looking for somthing with out the cat.
Bruce Boc
69790 From: Bill - Jeeps Only <bill@j...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:12am
Subject: Re: Can I complain now?
Absolutely. If you voted - ***** away! :-)
---------------
Bill Hooven
Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:36 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Can I complain now?
> Okay, I went out and voted and there are a few things I am not happy with.
> Can I complain now? LOL
>
> --James
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
69791 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:22am
Subject: Re: You guys crack me up.
Mud? Whats that?
On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 06:45 AM, Jonathan Moore wrote:
> I've been reading about how everyone cleans their Jeep after a run and
> I
> really liked the leaf blower idea. Well with all this talk about
> cleaning
> their Jeep, I decided to wash my Jeep after not washing it for about 4
> months and had it out in the mud and muck over the weekend. I'm
> currently
> in VA and we are in the middle of a 4 year drought. We do get rain but
> several months ago they finally started restrictions. Didn't really
> effect
> me since we are on a well and have been watching our water use anyway.
> Well
> I kept telling a friend who was whining about not being about to wash
> his
> car that what he needed to do the next time it rained was to go out
> with a
> bucket of soapy water, wash his car and let the rain rinse it off. Well
> last night I took my own advice. I got home a little early and it was
> raining. When I got home my wife was playing on the computer so I told
> her
> that I had a few things to do outside and she reminded me that it was
> raining. I told her that was why I was going to wash the Jeep. She just
> laughed. I went outside and washed the Jeep. When I came back in, she
> asked
> me what I had been up to since she didn't believe that I was going to
> wash
> the Jeep and told her my Jeep was now clean and in the rinse cycle. She
> didn't believe me so she went and looked out the window. After she
> looked
> at the Jeep, she turned to me and said, You know it's only 42 degrees
> out
> there. I told her that would explain why my hand were frozen. But at
> least
> the Jeep is cleaner than it used to be.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
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69792 From: Sean Speer <seanspeer@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:29am
Subject: Re: [FS] Tuffy Overhead Console
is this still available? if so... i would like it! please let me know!!! 623.570.9504!! thx!!
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:46 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Tuffy Overhead Console
Price: $75.00
Contact: Rio 623 815-2691
This is Tuffy's overhead console that mounts between the rollbar and the windshield. It has two lockable compartments for a radio or CB or whatever else. Go to Joe's kill switch clinic so they can't steal your Jeep and lock your CB up tight with this so they can't steal it.
Rio Harbour
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69793 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:34am
Subject: [FS] Pre - Runner bar
Price: 25.00
Contact: landen17@hotmail.com
This is a black powdercoated pre runner bar, was on an XJ, than a YJ. Looks good, just didn't like on my YJ.
Jason Thomas
69794 From: Sean Speer <seanspeer@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:34am
Subject: Re: You guys crack me up.
i have neighbors that still look at me like i am some kind of psycho! i wash
my rig all the time in the rain. my kids love doing it! usually when i rains
out here in the summer it is still about 100 degrees. the neighbors sit on
the front porch drinkin beer and laugh at me. we'll see who's laughing when
i save $5 on my next water bill!!! "Hey guys... let me buy you a beer with
the $5 i saved!!"
Sean
97 Stock TJ with mods soon to come!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
To: "'Jonathan Moore'" <jm9n@u...>;
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] You guys crack me up.
> Too much. It is kind of like what I do here in AZ. Usually when it rains
> here its just enough to make the dirt from the sand storm stick to the
> Jeep. What I do is rinse the Jeep as it's raining and that helps.
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Moore [mailto:jm9n@u...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:46 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] You guys crack me up.
>
>
> I've been reading about how everyone cleans their Jeep after a run and I
>
> really liked the leaf blower idea. Well with all this talk about
> cleaning
> their Jeep, I decided to wash my Jeep after not washing it for about 4
> months and had it out in the mud and muck over the weekend. I'm
> currently
> in VA and we are in the middle of a 4 year drought. We do get rain but
> several months ago they finally started restrictions. Didn't really
> effect
> me since we are on a well and have been watching our water use anyway.
> Well
> I kept telling a friend who was whining about not being about to wash
> his
> car that what he needed to do the next time it rained was to go out with
> a
> bucket of soapy water, wash his car and let the rain rinse it off. Well
> last night I took my own advice. I got home a little early and it was
> raining. When I got home my wife was playing on the computer so I told
> her
> that I had a few things to do outside and she reminded me that it was
> raining. I told her that was why I was going to wash the Jeep. She just
> laughed. I went outside and washed the Jeep. When I came back in, she
> asked
> me what I had been up to since she didn't believe that I was going to
> wash
> the Jeep and told her my Jeep was now clean and in the rinse cycle. She
> didn't believe me so she went and looked out the window. After she
> looked
> at the Jeep, she turned to me and said, You know it's only 42 degrees
> out
> there. I told her that would explain why my hand were frozen. But at
> least
> the Jeep is cleaner than it used to be.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
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69795 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:37am
Subject: Coves clean up
Ok here is some more info. The Forest Service wants to know who is all out
helping with this clean up. So Mike Baney will be at the green gate meeting
everyone where you can sign a sheet for the Forest Service, put your name in
for the door prize drawing and purchase raffle tickets for the 50/50 food
raffle (tickets are $2 each and you may purchase as many as you want). The
winner of the raffle gets the left over money after the food bill has been
paid. With as many folks that have signed up this should be a good chunk of
cash.
Base camp will be at the first cover I will have a striped EZ up with a
table under it. There will be the drawing boxes where you may drop off your
raffle tickets and sign up sheets for each cove. I would like to get one
leader for each cove. When you get to the first cove you sign up for the
cove you would like to help clean. This way everyone can see how many are at
each cover. There will be signs directing everyone to each of the four
covers. I will lead a small group to the hidden cove to clean it up. The
Forest service have their barge and will bring it to each cove for trash bag
removal so we should just pile all the bags by the water for when the barge
gets there.
We will have two grills and two cooks, There will be folding tables and
chairs for everyone to use. The general CB channel and channel for cove 1
will be 7. For cover 2 use channel 10, cover 3 use channel 12, for cove four
use channel 14 and for the hidden cove we will use channel 16. There are 94
people signed up for this run which will great too much talk for one CB
channel that is why the separate channels for each cove.
There is a winter storm moving in this weekend so it may be a bit chilly
(The high for the day is 70) so dress appropriately. Thanks and see you all
out there.
Regards
Randy Siade
Engineering Manager
Unisys Unigen Operations
6161 W. Erie Street
Chandler, AZ 85226
Phone 480 783-5911
Fax 480 783-5960
Cell 602-329-0699
randy.siade@u...
69796 From: Sean Speer <seanspeer@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:38am
Subject: Who the hell was that?
This is the second day that I have seen this rig. It has yellow bars/pads and some serious mods. I can't tell what the color is cuz it is pretty early in the morning... and there are loads of stickers! SWEET RIG MAN!!!! I waved to ya on the southbound 101 this morn... ya looked pretty damn cold! lets stop for coffee some day!
Sean
97 Stock TJ with mods soon to come.
69797 From: Sean Speer <seanspeer@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:40am
Subject: Re: [FS] Pre - Runner bar
got any pics?
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:34 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Pre - Runner bar
Price: 25.00
Contact: landen17@hotmail.com
This is a black powdercoated pre runner bar, was on an XJ, than a YJ. Looks good, just didn't like on my YJ.
Jason Thomas
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69798 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:45am
Subject: Re: You guys crack me up.
It is raining right now and is going to be all day. Too bad my Jeep is in
Phoenix and I am in Seattle.
Looking forward to the coves cleanup to see everyone.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...
----- Original Message -----
From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
To: "'Jonathan Moore'" <jm9n@u...>;
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] You guys crack me up.
> Too much. It is kind of like what I do here in AZ. Usually when it rains
> here its just enough to make the dirt from the sand storm stick to the
> Jeep. What I do is rinse the Jeep as it's raining and that helps.
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Moore [mailto:jm9n@u...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:46 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] You guys crack me up.
>
>
> I've been reading about how everyone cleans their Jeep after a run and I
>
> really liked the leaf blower idea. Well with all this talk about
> cleaning
> their Jeep, I decided to wash my Jeep after not washing it for about 4
> months and had it out in the mud and muck over the weekend. I'm
> currently
> in VA and we are in the middle of a 4 year drought. We do get rain but
> several months ago they finally started restrictions. Didn't really
> effect
> me since we are on a well and have been watching our water use anyway.
> Well
> I kept telling a friend who was whining about not being about to wash
> his
> car that what he needed to do the next time it rained was to go out with
> a
> bucket of soapy water, wash his car and let the rain rinse it off. Well
> last night I took my own advice. I got home a little early and it was
> raining. When I got home my wife was playing on the computer so I told
> her
> that I had a few things to do outside and she reminded me that it was
> raining. I told her that was why I was going to wash the Jeep. She just
> laughed. I went outside and washed the Jeep. When I came back in, she
> asked
> me what I had been up to since she didn't believe that I was going to
> wash
> the Jeep and told her my Jeep was now clean and in the rinse cycle. She
> didn't believe me so she went and looked out the window. After she
> looked
> at the Jeep, she turned to me and said, You know it's only 42 degrees
> out
> there. I told her that would explain why my hand were frozen. But at
> least
> the Jeep is cleaner than it used to be.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
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69799 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:46am
Subject: Re: Who the hell was that?
Sounds like Sharky.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Speer
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:38 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Who the hell was that?
This is the second day that I have seen this rig. It has yellow bars/pads and some serious mods. I can't tell what the color is cuz it is pretty early in the morning... and there are loads of stickers! SWEET RIG MAN!!!! I waved to ya on the southbound 101 this morn... ya looked pretty damn cold! lets stop for coffee some day!
Sean
97 Stock TJ with mods soon to come.
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69775 From: flyingmonkeydemon <hockeydawg@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 2:13am
Subject: Re: New lift...wrenching party?
First off, I want to thank everybody that replied. Sooo many
options...but my curiosity is getting the better of me and with all
I've heard about Duffy Ladd's shop, I have to check it out. So, to
everyone that offered to help, as of now, I'm planning on lugging
the lift kit over for the BBQ on the 16th and playing with all the
tools, so show up. I will still bring lots of beer because I don't
think I could ever feel right about myself if I showed up to a BBQ
and didn't bring beer. I've been called a beer snob by a friend so
expect at least a case of really good beer. Anyway, I hope to see
a lot of you there.
Mike Johnson
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69776 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 3:46am
Subject: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
ROTFLMAO!!! Sorry Neal;P
*cough*"booty fab"*cough*
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> Ohh, I see!!
> Gang up on the poor defenseless Tequila drinkin' drunk guy!
> Wassa matter, can't pick on some poor unsuspecting sober fool?
> Jay, you are forgiven. Neal on the other hand, was being facetious,
and
> egging me on, so I will reply:
>
> Neal, perhaps you'd like to explain to the group why you
feel "unqualified"
> to teach?
> Ok, I'll spare you and inform them.
> Neal forgets minor details like tightening nuts and bolts, so they
fall off
> his rig like limbs off a leper on a stagecoach ride. Shoot, he's
the only
> guy I know who thinks the 4th bolt in a Saginaw box
is "Optional"(Jamboree)
> Ohh, yeah, and his stuff breaks running the Spook Rally. Spring bolt
> (Probably Grade 2). Let's not forget the drill shavings in the high
PSI fuel
> pump that bought him a free ride back to camp at the end of
Booper's tow
> strap!
>
> What's this got to do with his welding? Nothing. Personally, I
think his dad
> does all that because it never breaks....
> HEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Bill Mish,
> The Undisputed KING of Booty Fab!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding
101
>
>
> > No..........I totally agree with you!!! Bill's work IS
excellent! I
> > happened to think of him right at the end. And knowing his good
sense of
> > humor I thought I would poke some fun. But I completely agree
with you.
> His
> > work and rig are EXCELLENT!!! I did not intend to make that seem
as a
> shot
> > towards Bill. And I doubt Bill took it that way.
> > --
> > ----------------------------
> > Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
> >
> > azredrocker wrote:
> >
> > > Jay, Bill Mish is an artist, just look at his rig. His selfless
> > > intent to share his vision of what a crawler should look like
> > > shouldn't be taken lightly.
> > >
> > > Here, Here Bill, my hat off to ya!!
> > > Just stay away from my bootyfab stuff, I don't need any help!
> > > :~)
> > >
> > > neal
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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69777 From: <AJEEPGIRLINAZ@A...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 0:07am
Subject: Re: Re: New lift...wrenching party?
Hi Mike,
I spoke to Duffy a little while ago about doing this. We may need to plan for you to come earlier or even a different day depending on how many people show up. Obviously, I don't know what all is involved in this project, but he said it was something you probably wouldn't want to do with 100 or so people around you. Let me know what you think. He's out of town until Friday, but we will work something out.
Teresa
69778 From: Jonathan Moore <jm9n@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 5:45am
Subject: You guys crack me up.
I've been reading about how everyone cleans their Jeep after a run and I
really liked the leaf blower idea. Well with all this talk about cleaning
their Jeep, I decided to wash my Jeep after not washing it for about 4
months and had it out in the mud and muck over the weekend. I'm currently
in VA and we are in the middle of a 4 year drought. We do get rain but
several months ago they finally started restrictions. Didn't really effect
me since we are on a well and have been watching our water use anyway. Well
I kept telling a friend who was whining about not being about to wash his
car that what he needed to do the next time it rained was to go out with a
bucket of soapy water, wash his car and let the rain rinse it off. Well
last night I took my own advice. I got home a little early and it was
raining. When I got home my wife was playing on the computer so I told her
that I had a few things to do outside and she reminded me that it was
raining. I told her that was why I was going to wash the Jeep. She just
laughed. I went outside and washed the Jeep. When I came back in, she asked
me what I had been up to since she didn't believe that I was going to wash
the Jeep and told her my Jeep was now clean and in the rinse cycle. She
didn't believe me so she went and looked out the window. After she looked
at the Jeep, she turned to me and said, You know it's only 42 degrees out
there. I told her that would explain why my hand were frozen. But at least
the Jeep is cleaner than it used to be.
Jonathan
69779 From: Jonathan Moore <jm9n@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:07am
Subject: Re: Off-road accident & body work cost
Scott,
One suggestion would be to get a copy of the repair estimate, see what it
says. Go to said shop, talk to them. Also, if you are thinking that the guy
is trying to line his pockets, have you fiance pay the shop directly
meaning have her pay the bill for her responsible part in case he is having
other work done.
Jonathan
At 10:39 PM 11/5/02 +0000, Scott Edwards wrote:
>This weekend in the dunes, my fiance turned the key to my Jeep with
>it in gear and it went forward a few feet into the side of another
>Jeep. My tow hook scraped the paint off the fender flare and dented
>the passenger side front fender of the other TJ right near the top of
>the fender. He got a quote today and said that it is $750 for parts
>and $800 for labor to repair it!!! I just wanted to check on this but
>would her insurance cover an accident that happened offroad? He
>backed into something with it the next day and damaged the back
>fender. I'm not sure if he is trying to make her pay for the whole
>thing. I would think that his insurance would cover it all and he'd
>only have to pay one deductable. Any thoughts???
>
>Also, what are some reasonably priced shops to suggest if she ends up
>having to pay this out of pocket? In an offroad accident, can he even
>make her pay for it if she doesn't want to? She does want to take
>care of it, but $1,550 for a small dent and a fender flair...come on!
>
>-Scott E.
>
>
>
>
>
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69780 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:13am
Subject: Free Sway BAR QD's - WAS - Re: Lift and 4-wheelers/Rick Bier
The disco's have been spoken for.
-Mike
----- Original Message -----
I have the RE sway bar discos leftover (went with a currie AR), brand new if anyone is interested in them,
6-pack of hops and barley and they are yours ;)
-Mike
00 TJ
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69781 From: Mitch Woodward <mitchwoodward@h...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:33am
Subject: Re: Off-road accident & body work cost
Joe,
I'm all for this, as long as the guy actually gets it fixed. I had a small
parking thing with a geo tracker a couple of years ago. I was trying to fit
in a parking spot that was a bit too tight, and put a dent the size of a
half dollar in the rear fender with the tube bumper. It was my brother's
neighbor, so I felt I should do the right thing. Keeping in mind that the
tracker was at least 4 different colors, and had numerous other dents, I
offered $250 cash to just let it slide. The girl insisted on going after my
insurance, to the tune of $1150. Each time I go see my brother I am forced
to look at the tracker, which still remains unfixed and multiple colors. I
am still paying a higher insurance premium for another year, and the *****
never got it fixed.
If this guy decides to go after her insurance and then goes on a mod spree
instead of fixing it, that's not right.
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: "'Scott Edwards'" <azcj@y...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
> Hi Scott,
>
> I have a few thoughts since you ask <grin>... whether his insurance would
> cover it all with just a small deductible or not, your fiancé is
responsible
> and should pay the charges to fix the damage she caused; regardless of the
> estimate. The person who had their Jeep damaged by her driving has the
> right to take their Jeep anywhere they like to have it repaired... from
Joe
> Schmoe's garage and barbershop to Scottsdale Porsche Paint and Body.
> She does however, have a right to see the estimate to ensure that it is
> legitimate AND to call the body shop to ensure that the numbers were not
> fabricated.
>
> Also... asking for reasonably priced shops makes me think that the owner
of
> the Jeep that was damaged is giving her a choice... not something I would
do
> were I the one with the damage. I would take my rig to a place I felt
> comfortable with, regardless of the price... I certainly wouldn't let the
> person who damaged my vehicle pick the repair shop.
>
> Sometimes lessons are difficult to learn and $1550 might actually be a
> pretty cheap lesson... think about her accidentally starting her rig with
it
> in gear on a trail run... near a cliff... get my drift?
>
> My advise to your fiancé is to bite the bullet and do the right thing,
> which, in this case, is to let the guy with the damaged Jeep get it fixed
> where he wants to and have her make sure the estimate is real. Note...
When
> I say real, I mean only for the damage she caused... and this has nothing
to
> do with the cost; she should pay whatever it costs.
>
> Tell her by doing the right thing and making it easy for the driver with
the
> bent rig... she'll be more enlightened in the next life (and less likely
to
> come back as a cricket). <grin> The good Karma is worth the cost of the
> repairs. <smile>
>
> Take care,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
>
> This weekend in the dunes, my fiance turned the key to my Jeep with
> it in gear and it went forward a few feet into the side of another
> Jeep. My tow hook scraped the paint off the fender flare and dented
> the passenger side front fender of the other TJ right near the top of
> the fender. He got a quote today and said that it is $750 for parts
> and $800 for labor to repair it!!! I just wanted to check on this but
> would her insurance cover an accident that happened offroad? He
> backed into something with it the next day and damaged the back
> fender. I'm not sure if he is trying to make her pay for the whole
> thing. I would think that his insurance would cover it all and he'd
> only have to pay one deductable. Any thoughts???
>
> Also, what are some reasonably priced shops to suggest if she ends up
> having to pay this out of pocket? In an offroad accident, can he even
> make her pay for it if she doesn't want to? She does want to take
> care of it, but $1,550 for a small dent and a fender flair...come on!
>
> -Scott E.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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69782 From: Jon Loveless-DSL <jloveless@d...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:28am
Subject: FS: D35
For Sale around the end of November:
D35 Rear Axle.
4.56 gears.
Superior Super 35 axles with Detroit Locker.
Dif Guard.
Spacer/Adapters for 5 on 5.5 rims.
Hunter strenghtening brackets.
$750 obo
Jon Loveless
480-816-0963
jloveless@directvinternet.com
jloveless@delphi-tech.com
69783 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:36am
Subject: Can I complain now?
Okay, I went out and voted and there are a few things I am not happy with.
Can I complain now? LOL
--James
69784 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:49am
Subject: [Tech] 1987 Wrangler - Tranny Swap
New member here, I have a question about getting rid of my Ba10 and NP207. I can aquire an AX15 and 231 in mint condition, but it is out of a 1998 TJ, will this swap out be a direct bolt on swap or will I have to purchase additional hardware, ie input shaft, bellhousing, ect,,, Any feedback will be greatly appreciated,,,Thanks
John Padilla
69785 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:49am
Subject: RE: Off-road accident & body work cost
I agree with Joe here but if you think he is trying to get you for both
accidents then insist on seeing the quote. The quote will tell you where the
repairs are being made. I will bet if you demand to see the quote before
paying he may just go away.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:26 PM
To: 'Scott Edwards'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
Hi Scott,
I have a few thoughts since you ask <grin>... whether his insurance would
cover it all with just a small deductible or not, your fiancé is responsible
and should pay the charges to fix the damage she caused; regardless of the
estimate. The person who had their Jeep damaged by her driving has the
right to take their Jeep anywhere they like to have it repaired... from Joe
Schmoe's garage and barbershop to Scottsdale Porsche Paint and Body.
She does however, have a right to see the estimate to ensure that it is
legitimate AND to call the body shop to ensure that the numbers were not
fabricated.
Also... asking for reasonably priced shops makes me think that the owner of
the Jeep that was damaged is giving her a choice... not something I would do
were I the one with the damage. I would take my rig to a place I felt
comfortable with, regardless of the price... I certainly wouldn't let the
person who damaged my vehicle pick the repair shop.
Sometimes lessons are difficult to learn and $1550 might actually be a
pretty cheap lesson... think about her accidentally starting her rig with it
in gear on a trail run... near a cliff... get my drift?
My advise to your fiancé is to bite the bullet and do the right thing,
which, in this case, is to let the guy with the damaged Jeep get it fixed
where he wants to and have her make sure the estimate is real. Note... When
I say real, I mean only for the damage she caused... and this has nothing to
do with the cost; she should pay whatever it costs.
Tell her by doing the right thing and making it easy for the driver with the
bent rig... she'll be more enlightened in the next life (and less likely to
come back as a cricket). <grin> The good Karma is worth the cost of the
repairs. <smile>
Take care,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:39 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Off-road accident & body work cost
This weekend in the dunes, my fiance turned the key to my Jeep with
it in gear and it went forward a few feet into the side of another
Jeep. My tow hook scraped the paint off the fender flare and dented
the passenger side front fender of the other TJ right near the top of
the fender. He got a quote today and said that it is $750 for parts
and $800 for labor to repair it!!! I just wanted to check on this but
would her insurance cover an accident that happened offroad? He
backed into something with it the next day and damaged the back
fender. I'm not sure if he is trying to make her pay for the whole
thing. I would think that his insurance would cover it all and he'd
only have to pay one deductable. Any thoughts???
Also, what are some reasonably priced shops to suggest if she ends up
having to pay this out of pocket? In an offroad accident, can he even
make her pay for it if she doesn't want to? She does want to take
care of it, but $1,550 for a small dent and a fender flair...come on!
-Scott E.
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69786 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:53am
Subject: RE: 4 Wheeler's Supply
Yep Berry is right. My CJ does it all them time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69787 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 6:56am
Subject: RE: Your Trackbar *IS* bending... was RE: 4 Wheeler's Su pply
Joe - I have been through the same thing with my CJ and it has been doing it for years. My steering wheel will actully go back to normal after some road driving and I do not have a track bar. I have been all over my CJ looking for the problem and can not find anything so I have to agree with Berry on this one. Hell my wife's Ford F350 does it also.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:55 PM
To: 'Jake Wagner'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Your Trackbar *IS* bending... was RE: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
Jake,
Even though you cannot see it... your trackbar *is* bending. If you want to prove it to yourself... consider which way your axle is shifted. Notice how it is ALWAYS shifted towards the driver's side? Here's why... when your trackbar bends if effectively becomes shorter. When your trackbar becomes shorter it pulls the axle towards the frame on the driver's side. Check the measurements and I think you'll find that your axle is shifted towards the driver's side.
Second thing... it is not a TJ thing for this to happen. It does however, happen on TJs who have their front track bars beginning to pretzel. There was a time when I ALWAYS had the same thing happen after a difficult run... finally, my front trackbar bent enough where it was obvious and I replaced it with RE's best extreme duty, excessive duty, hyper-sparc duty (or whatever stupid name they are calling their latest product). Now? Even after I ran axle alley the steering is centered... I have yet to have the problem since upgrading my front track bar.
When you get tired of adjusting your drag link to re-center your steering wheel, go out and get RE's hyper-extra-special-duty front track bar and you'll likely not have to re-center your steering wheel nearly so often. Barry is being nice by trying to save you some bucks... and you probably don't need one yet... but you will.
One last thing... make sure that you keep your frame-side front track bar mount tight... they seem to have a way of working loose on a regular basis.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69788 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:02am
Subject: RE: You guys crack me up.
Too much. It is kind of like what I do here in AZ. Usually when it rains
here its just enough to make the dirt from the sand storm stick to the
Jeep. What I do is rinse the Jeep as it's raining and that helps.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Moore [mailto:jm9n@u...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:46 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] You guys crack me up.
I've been reading about how everyone cleans their Jeep after a run and I
really liked the leaf blower idea. Well with all this talk about
cleaning
their Jeep, I decided to wash my Jeep after not washing it for about 4
months and had it out in the mud and muck over the weekend. I'm
currently
in VA and we are in the middle of a 4 year drought. We do get rain but
several months ago they finally started restrictions. Didn't really
effect
me since we are on a well and have been watching our water use anyway.
Well
I kept telling a friend who was whining about not being about to wash
his
car that what he needed to do the next time it rained was to go out with
a
bucket of soapy water, wash his car and let the rain rinse it off. Well
last night I took my own advice. I got home a little early and it was
raining. When I got home my wife was playing on the computer so I told
her
that I had a few things to do outside and she reminded me that it was
raining. I told her that was why I was going to wash the Jeep. She just
laughed. I went outside and washed the Jeep. When I came back in, she
asked
me what I had been up to since she didn't believe that I was going to
wash
the Jeep and told her my Jeep was now clean and in the rinse cycle. She
didn't believe me so she went and looked out the window. After she
looked
at the Jeep, she turned to me and said, You know it's only 42 degrees
out
there. I told her that would explain why my hand were frozen. But at
least
the Jeep is cleaner than it used to be.
Jonathan
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69789 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:04am
Subject: [FS] WANTED EXHOST FOR 84 CJ7 258 motor(with out cat,no emissions equip. )
Price: CHEEP
Contact: 602-579-5132
looking for exhost for 84 CJ7 with 258 motor,I need from the manifold back I dont need the manifold,Im looking for somthing with out the cat.
Bruce Boc
69790 From: Bill - Jeeps Only <bill@j...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:12am
Subject: Re: Can I complain now?
Absolutely. If you voted - ***** away! :-)
---------------
Bill Hooven
Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:36 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Can I complain now?
> Okay, I went out and voted and there are a few things I am not happy with.
> Can I complain now? LOL
>
> --James
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
69791 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:22am
Subject: Re: You guys crack me up.
Mud? Whats that?
On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 06:45 AM, Jonathan Moore wrote:
> I've been reading about how everyone cleans their Jeep after a run and
> I
> really liked the leaf blower idea. Well with all this talk about
> cleaning
> their Jeep, I decided to wash my Jeep after not washing it for about 4
> months and had it out in the mud and muck over the weekend. I'm
> currently
> in VA and we are in the middle of a 4 year drought. We do get rain but
> several months ago they finally started restrictions. Didn't really
> effect
> me since we are on a well and have been watching our water use anyway.
> Well
> I kept telling a friend who was whining about not being about to wash
> his
> car that what he needed to do the next time it rained was to go out
> with a
> bucket of soapy water, wash his car and let the rain rinse it off. Well
> last night I took my own advice. I got home a little early and it was
> raining. When I got home my wife was playing on the computer so I told
> her
> that I had a few things to do outside and she reminded me that it was
> raining. I told her that was why I was going to wash the Jeep. She just
> laughed. I went outside and washed the Jeep. When I came back in, she
> asked
> me what I had been up to since she didn't believe that I was going to
> wash
> the Jeep and told her my Jeep was now clean and in the rinse cycle. She
> didn't believe me so she went and looked out the window. After she
> looked
> at the Jeep, she turned to me and said, You know it's only 42 degrees
> out
> there. I told her that would explain why my hand were frozen. But at
> least
> the Jeep is cleaner than it used to be.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
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69792 From: Sean Speer <seanspeer@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:29am
Subject: Re: [FS] Tuffy Overhead Console
is this still available? if so... i would like it! please let me know!!! 623.570.9504!! thx!!
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:46 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Tuffy Overhead Console
Price: $75.00
Contact: Rio 623 815-2691
This is Tuffy's overhead console that mounts between the rollbar and the windshield. It has two lockable compartments for a radio or CB or whatever else. Go to Joe's kill switch clinic so they can't steal your Jeep and lock your CB up tight with this so they can't steal it.
Rio Harbour
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69793 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:34am
Subject: [FS] Pre - Runner bar
Price: 25.00
Contact: landen17@hotmail.com
This is a black powdercoated pre runner bar, was on an XJ, than a YJ. Looks good, just didn't like on my YJ.
Jason Thomas
69794 From: Sean Speer <seanspeer@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:34am
Subject: Re: You guys crack me up.
i have neighbors that still look at me like i am some kind of psycho! i wash
my rig all the time in the rain. my kids love doing it! usually when i rains
out here in the summer it is still about 100 degrees. the neighbors sit on
the front porch drinkin beer and laugh at me. we'll see who's laughing when
i save $5 on my next water bill!!! "Hey guys... let me buy you a beer with
the $5 i saved!!"
Sean
97 Stock TJ with mods soon to come!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
To: "'Jonathan Moore'" <jm9n@u...>;
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] You guys crack me up.
> Too much. It is kind of like what I do here in AZ. Usually when it rains
> here its just enough to make the dirt from the sand storm stick to the
> Jeep. What I do is rinse the Jeep as it's raining and that helps.
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Moore [mailto:jm9n@u...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:46 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] You guys crack me up.
>
>
> I've been reading about how everyone cleans their Jeep after a run and I
>
> really liked the leaf blower idea. Well with all this talk about
> cleaning
> their Jeep, I decided to wash my Jeep after not washing it for about 4
> months and had it out in the mud and muck over the weekend. I'm
> currently
> in VA and we are in the middle of a 4 year drought. We do get rain but
> several months ago they finally started restrictions. Didn't really
> effect
> me since we are on a well and have been watching our water use anyway.
> Well
> I kept telling a friend who was whining about not being about to wash
> his
> car that what he needed to do the next time it rained was to go out with
> a
> bucket of soapy water, wash his car and let the rain rinse it off. Well
> last night I took my own advice. I got home a little early and it was
> raining. When I got home my wife was playing on the computer so I told
> her
> that I had a few things to do outside and she reminded me that it was
> raining. I told her that was why I was going to wash the Jeep. She just
> laughed. I went outside and washed the Jeep. When I came back in, she
> asked
> me what I had been up to since she didn't believe that I was going to
> wash
> the Jeep and told her my Jeep was now clean and in the rinse cycle. She
> didn't believe me so she went and looked out the window. After she
> looked
> at the Jeep, she turned to me and said, You know it's only 42 degrees
> out
> there. I told her that would explain why my hand were frozen. But at
> least
> the Jeep is cleaner than it used to be.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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69795 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:37am
Subject: Coves clean up
Ok here is some more info. The Forest Service wants to know who is all out
helping with this clean up. So Mike Baney will be at the green gate meeting
everyone where you can sign a sheet for the Forest Service, put your name in
for the door prize drawing and purchase raffle tickets for the 50/50 food
raffle (tickets are $2 each and you may purchase as many as you want). The
winner of the raffle gets the left over money after the food bill has been
paid. With as many folks that have signed up this should be a good chunk of
cash.
Base camp will be at the first cover I will have a striped EZ up with a
table under it. There will be the drawing boxes where you may drop off your
raffle tickets and sign up sheets for each cove. I would like to get one
leader for each cove. When you get to the first cove you sign up for the
cove you would like to help clean. This way everyone can see how many are at
each cover. There will be signs directing everyone to each of the four
covers. I will lead a small group to the hidden cove to clean it up. The
Forest service have their barge and will bring it to each cove for trash bag
removal so we should just pile all the bags by the water for when the barge
gets there.
We will have two grills and two cooks, There will be folding tables and
chairs for everyone to use. The general CB channel and channel for cove 1
will be 7. For cover 2 use channel 10, cover 3 use channel 12, for cove four
use channel 14 and for the hidden cove we will use channel 16. There are 94
people signed up for this run which will great too much talk for one CB
channel that is why the separate channels for each cove.
There is a winter storm moving in this weekend so it may be a bit chilly
(The high for the day is 70) so dress appropriately. Thanks and see you all
out there.
Regards
Randy Siade
Engineering Manager
Unisys Unigen Operations
6161 W. Erie Street
Chandler, AZ 85226
Phone 480 783-5911
Fax 480 783-5960
Cell 602-329-0699
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69796 From: Sean Speer <seanspeer@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:38am
Subject: Who the hell was that?
This is the second day that I have seen this rig. It has yellow bars/pads and some serious mods. I can't tell what the color is cuz it is pretty early in the morning... and there are loads of stickers! SWEET RIG MAN!!!! I waved to ya on the southbound 101 this morn... ya looked pretty damn cold! lets stop for coffee some day!
Sean
97 Stock TJ with mods soon to come.
69797 From: Sean Speer <seanspeer@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:40am
Subject: Re: [FS] Pre - Runner bar
got any pics?
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:34 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Pre - Runner bar
Price: 25.00
Contact: landen17@hotmail.com
This is a black powdercoated pre runner bar, was on an XJ, than a YJ. Looks good, just didn't like on my YJ.
Jason Thomas
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69798 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:45am
Subject: Re: You guys crack me up.
It is raining right now and is going to be all day. Too bad my Jeep is in
Phoenix and I am in Seattle.
Looking forward to the coves cleanup to see everyone.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...
----- Original Message -----
From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
To: "'Jonathan Moore'" <jm9n@u...>;
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] You guys crack me up.
> Too much. It is kind of like what I do here in AZ. Usually when it rains
> here its just enough to make the dirt from the sand storm stick to the
> Jeep. What I do is rinse the Jeep as it's raining and that helps.
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Moore [mailto:jm9n@u...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:46 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] You guys crack me up.
>
>
> I've been reading about how everyone cleans their Jeep after a run and I
>
> really liked the leaf blower idea. Well with all this talk about
> cleaning
> their Jeep, I decided to wash my Jeep after not washing it for about 4
> months and had it out in the mud and muck over the weekend. I'm
> currently
> in VA and we are in the middle of a 4 year drought. We do get rain but
> several months ago they finally started restrictions. Didn't really
> effect
> me since we are on a well and have been watching our water use anyway.
> Well
> I kept telling a friend who was whining about not being about to wash
> his
> car that what he needed to do the next time it rained was to go out with
> a
> bucket of soapy water, wash his car and let the rain rinse it off. Well
> last night I took my own advice. I got home a little early and it was
> raining. When I got home my wife was playing on the computer so I told
> her
> that I had a few things to do outside and she reminded me that it was
> raining. I told her that was why I was going to wash the Jeep. She just
> laughed. I went outside and washed the Jeep. When I came back in, she
> asked
> me what I had been up to since she didn't believe that I was going to
> wash
> the Jeep and told her my Jeep was now clean and in the rinse cycle. She
> didn't believe me so she went and looked out the window. After she
> looked
> at the Jeep, she turned to me and said, You know it's only 42 degrees
> out
> there. I told her that would explain why my hand were frozen. But at
> least
> the Jeep is cleaner than it used to be.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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>
69799 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 7:46am
Subject: Re: Who the hell was that?
Sounds like Sharky.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Speer
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:38 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Who the hell was that?
This is the second day that I have seen this rig. It has yellow bars/pads and some serious mods. I can't tell what the color is cuz it is pretty early in the morning... and there are loads of stickers! SWEET RIG MAN!!!! I waved to ya on the southbound 101 this morn... ya looked pretty damn cold! lets stop for coffee some day!
Sean
97 Stock TJ with mods soon to come.
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